May 25, 2023 • 37 mins
Oath Keeper's founder gets 18-year sentence on Jan. 6th seditious conspiracy conviction. Author and journalist Julie Kelly joins Clay and Buck on today's January 6th sentencing and what it means for possible charges against President Trump. C&B take calls on Trump vs. DeSantis.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Klay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Everybody,
thanks for being here with us. And as we started
off the show, you know, because Governoran DeSantis joined us,
we'll play some of that audio for you in the
third hour perhaps and go back over a little bit
of where the political.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Landscape stands right now.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But the primary is now, it feels fully underway with
the two heavyweights, at least by the polls, not a
weight shoke by the polls. Governoran DeSantis and Donald Trump,
President Trump.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Are in the mix now. It is official.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Also, we had breaking news that just hit in the
last few moments, just hitting the news wires, so you
might be hearing it here for the first time. The
oath Keeper's individual I believe the oath Keepers. He's a
founder or a leader of the Oathkeepers that was prosecuted
(01:02):
for his role in January sixth on seditious conspiracy charges.
Just got eighteen years in federal prison. Eighteen years and
you would you'd have to wonder what exactly did he do?
Who goes away for eighteen years? These days, Well, I
(01:23):
can tell you who doesn't go away at all, it
seems Hunter Biden. Because we also have more and more information.
I think we're gonna speak to Congress and Jim Jordan
later on this week about this. The whistleblower from within
the IRS coming forward. You got whistleblowers from the IRS,
the FBI, other places coming forward on.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
A whole range of issues. They realize the damage that
the deep state is doing.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
But specifically Clay, the IRS whistleblower is saying there are
irregularities when it came to the Hunter Biden funding, right,
the Hunter Biden getting all this money, bribes, It's called bribes.
We can use the word, I think from around the world,
not paying taxes on it. That's usually pretty straightforward stuff.
(02:09):
What are your thoughts as we see so the oathkeepers
got I mean, did he I don't think he was.
He one of the ones who was even there. I'm
checking this up right now. But you tell me what
your first reaction is.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, I mean, this goes to what we talked about
with Ron DeSantis in the first hour, and what Trump
has discussed as well, and what I'm going to pat
ourselves on the back a little bit. Julie Kelly has
been covering this better than anybody, and I don't know
that there's any media outlet that has had Julie on
more than we have to tell this story. And you
(02:42):
know I went out and gave thousands of dollars of
my own personal money for these January sixth defendants to
be able to have better legal representation. Does this political persecution.
There is no way on earth that the average January
sixth who is many of them being being sentenced more
(03:05):
severely for what they did associated with January sixth than
people who are actually committing violent crimes. And certainly if
you compare it to what happened to the BLM riots
when far more people died. Remember the only person who
died on January sixth was Ashley Babbitt, who was I
(03:26):
think unjustly shot and killed, unarmed and not being a threat.
So there was someone else was part of this, the
seditious conspiracy, one of the other defendants. It's tough to
keep them all straight.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We're going to reach out to Julie Kelly to make
sure that she because she's following this, LIKELI said, more
closely than anybody and has been a real just trying.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
To get you know justice.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Justice doesn't mean that all these individuals are innocent, but
far from it. But ten years in federal prison, twenty
years in federal prison is that justice at a time
when people who are murdering others are getting far less
time in prison. But let's go to Rhodes, who is
this Oathkeeper's leader dressed in combat style gear. Converged. This
(04:08):
is from the Washington Post, So this is the most
negative depiction of this YU will find, just to be clear,
but converged from the Capitol after staging an arsenal of
weapons at nearby hotels, ready to take up arms at
roads direction. According to prosecutors, Rhodes did not Yeah, he
did not enter the building, but was in contact with
ground team leader Megs, an auto dealer manager, just before
(04:32):
Megs led a line of members in military style tactle
gear up the capital steps, where they helped a crowd
force entry. Rose Defense said he and co defendant came
to Washington as bodyguards for Republican VIPs, including Roger Stone.
The Oathkeeper said some of some brought firearms only to
help as peacekeepers in case Trump met their demand to
(04:54):
invoke the Civil War Insurrection Act and mobilize a private
militia to stop Biden from becoming president. Okay, so he
wasn't there and he didn't hurt anybody personally, He wasn't
even president at the president at the Capitol. A lot
of stuff about you know, insurrection and a lot of
bad stuff in the text messages.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Eighteen years in federal prison. Look, this is all about
charging Trump. They wanted. They have system. You have to
look at what their roadmap is, and they have meticulously
constructed a seditious conspiracy. All of these charges are being
(05:35):
put in place so they can charge Donald Trump. I
would be buck stunned beyond belief at this point if
there are not federal charges coming against Trump. Now, I
still put a tiny little percentage chance out there. I
don't know that he has the testicular fortitude or mental
competency to pull it off. A Jedi mind trick. Brilliant
(05:58):
move would actually be for Joe Biden to Donald Trump
while he's running against him. Yeah, yes, because then I
think a lot of independence, because it's an alpha move
by Biden. Because you say I beat him once in
twenty twenty, I don't need the Department of Justice to
put him behind bars, I'm gonna beat his ass again
in twenty twenty four. That's the alpha move.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
He's not gonna do it, though, there's no way that's
what because he'll upset that, he'll upset his lunatic Democrat base.
By the way, Julie's confirmed for one thirty. So look,
we're handling breaking news that it comes in. There have
been like eight hundred or something more than that now
January sixth. I want to say numbers, but it's been
hundreds and hundreds of people prosecuted on jan six This is, uh,
the biggest sentence that we have seen. Stuart Rhodes is
(06:44):
the individual here. We're talking about eighteen years in federal prison.
And I understand there's no there's no parole. He's served
in eighteen years, folks, that's how this goes. Federal system
doesn't have parole. So he's he's gonna spend almost two
decades in prison. And you ask yourself, Okay, so he's
going to spend two decades in prison because of some
(07:05):
reckless talk about overthrowing the government or how you know that,
I don't know. I have to look into all the
text messages. Didn't hurt anybody didn't actually actively try to
hurt anybody physically I'm talking about yeah, and wasn't even
at the capitol.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I'll give you a prominent case. It's going to get
a lot of attention soon. Henry Bruggs is a wide receiver,
was driving drunk in Las Vegas killed a woman driving
at one hundred and thirty miles an hour. I believe
with a blood alcohol level half or sorry, twice as
much as what the legal limit is, Buck, he's going
to get less time in prison than this January sixth
(07:43):
defendant just did. And I mean that's just using one now.
Obviously one is in the state of Nevada. But we're
talking about violent you know, drunk driving that killed a
person where there's no defense against his behavior at all
while driving over one hundred miles an hour. And I'll
also point out and I Julie will hammer this home
at the bottom of the hour because she has been
(08:04):
covering all these cases so well, it's not just that
they're throwing the book at the January sixth defendants, Buck,
they are barely prosecuting anybody for violent crime in Washington,
d c. Otherwise. So you've got a situation where the
district attorneys in DC are basically taking felony charges down
(08:26):
to misdemeanors and choosing not to prosecute and then throwing
the book and getting maximum punishments here.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So I'm gonna use my little CIA coup overthrow tiny
tinpot dictatorship. Brain here for a second. If the oathkeeper's guy,
if they had this stash of weapons, that why.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Did none of them bring weapons?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, if their intent was to use weapons to overthrow
the government, why is it that they brought placards? You know,
like what you bring to a protest, and you know, yeah,
some of the like the tactical gear that they brought,
but it's stuff to deal with gas masks. I've been
to Antifa protests. I've covered them before. I'd never say
the term journalists, but I've covered them for media purposes. Right,
(09:09):
I've been there and seen they have little plastic shields
and they have gas masks, and no one thinks they're
I don't overthrowing the government, even though they say they
want to all the time.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
They're anarchists.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
They talk about how they want to overthrow the existing order,
but no one, well, we're not allowed to take them seriously,
even though they're a violent extremist group. But that's the
question for me, and I want to pose this to Julie.
If these individuals were part of a conspiracy to stockpile weapons,
why did none of them actually at all at all
(09:37):
bring weapons to the capital, Right?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah? I also what is that?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And how do you and then you ask a questions
how do you overthrow the federal government with no weapons?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
That that, to me is the big point here. If
this were an actual coup, would you choose grandmas and
grandpas with selfie sticks to be your soldiers? I mean,
the argument that this was in any way an attempt
to overthrow the United States government is so laughably absurd
on its face. And this is why Buck, I think,
(10:11):
to a large degree, including that they had a lot
of informants in that crowd encouraging people to go into
the Capitol, because that's one reason I think they don't
want all the footage to come out. But it's also
why we're only seeing a sentilla. I mean Tucker, the
video that Tucker showed of the so called QAnon shaman
who everybody was trying to say, oh my goodness, this
(10:33):
guy is a huge threat to the American Republic and
then you watch him and the police are just kind
of walking around with him. That footage would have never
come out if not for Tucker's show. And so how
many of these other hours of footage that we have
are indicative of what the vast majority of people who
(10:56):
entered on January sixth did, which is they walked around,
they took photos inside, engaged in almost no violent behavior
as a collective group. And now we've got the full
might of the United States government treating them as if
they are the greatest threats to American democracy that have
ever existed the whole purpose. The thing that is so
(11:19):
staggeringly difficult, I think for a lot of people to
even comprehend is the degree of lying that's going on here.
When you're talking about threats to democracy and you are
the Department of Justice that's raiding the home of a
former president, and you are trying to put a former
president in prison who is a leading political opposition candidate
(11:39):
of the party in power. This is third world Banana
Republic level idiocy, and frankly, wat scarier than anything that
happened on January sixth.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The judge here in DC META said about this defendant
who is now going away for eighteen years, You, sir,
present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country,
to the republic, and to the very fabric of our democracy.
I have a feeling that Judge is a lib who
(12:09):
is hostile to anybody who is even vaguely or tangentially
associated with being on the right. Again, the point here
is not to say that people who who broke who
destroyed property at the Capitol, or who were violent with
police officers shouldn't shouldn't be punished. The point is disparate
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treatment in the law for political reasons is a bedrock,
a foundation of tyranny. And we're sitting here on the
one hand, you know, we're talking about we got but Biden.
Who's you know, Celo. I was commemorating the three year
anniversary of George Floyd. I'm sitting here saying, I remember
(12:51):
when maniacs destroyed my neighborhood, all Biden voters. I remember
when maniacs were mobbing outside the White House and tried
to burn down a history. I remember when Biden voters
tried to burn down a federal courthouse. I remember when
they were attempting to blind the federal officers sent there
to Portland by DHS with lasers to blind somebody. Yeah,
if someone told me I'm trying to blind you and
(13:12):
I had a side arm, I would use it. Okay,
blinding somebody is extreme aiming. You should be able to
use lethal force to defend yourself against that. How many
of them got twenty years in prison?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
None? No BLM protester, and there were far more of
them doing far more violence have faced any level of
prosecution remotely similar to Jan six.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, you sit here, you wonder how much time
did the lunatics who fire bomb the police car in
New York City get?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
They didn't get twenty years Biden voters.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
How much time did the people who you go down
the list, you see, the country was convulsed. The twenty
twenty election was held under the threat of mob violence
by lunatic Biden voters, pretending that you know, BLM is
what they're really because they just wanted to burn everything
down and they got away with it. And so I
understand there's a lot of frustration from people out there
(14:03):
who sit there and say, okay, So you know, there
was a protest about Biden about the twenty twenty election,
some people got out of hand. You know, ninety five
percent of the people gathering in DC didn't do anything.
It was a mostly peaceful protest, remember that. But some
of them got out of hand.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Some of them.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, they should face consequences for attacking cops and whatever, But.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
How do we deal with that? How do we process that?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
When Biden voters in mobs, and of course they were
allowed to even during COVID because it was so important,
can attack police with impunity, they would just show up.
They would show up and do everything that you saw
people doing on January sixth to police. I have seen
at different left wing Democrat Biden voting mobs in the past,
(14:48):
everything throwing. I've seen them throw rocks at cops. I've
seen them throw bottles of urine at cops. I've seen
them punch cops. Any of them get twenty years or
eighteen years in federal prison, I don't think so. Look, well,
we'll talk to Julie about this in a few minutes.
But a country where you can't trust the justice system
is not a country where you're going to think there
is a justice system for very long. All Right, I
(15:11):
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Speaker 1 (16:29):
Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. We're gonna have Julie Kelly
at the bottom of the hour here to talk about
the latest on jan six, But we got a bunch
of you who want to weigh in on a variety
of different topics. We'll take some of your calls obviously
throughout the course of the show. Eight hundred two eight
two two eight A two Mike in Omaha, Nebraska. What
(16:52):
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Speaker 3 (16:54):
Hey, Clay and Buck, Good afternoon, Fellas. Three quick things
I wanted to point out on the launch. Number one
on the launch desantus's target demographic wasn't old boomers. It
was young Republicans, young conservatives, young independence and women. And
when that target demographic crashes the site because there's so
(17:14):
much actual interest, I would say that's a success. Now,
let's remember Trump's launch in twenty fifteen where he came
down the elevators and this is easily you can easily
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dollars a pop to come cheer for him, while Heavy
D yesterday was raising a million dollars in his sixty
second Twitter spot, our sixty minute Twitter spot. Number two,
(17:37):
when I hear all this, oh, Trump or de Santas
doesn't have the personality and he doesn't have the personality
to be president. Well, your mister personality, Donald J. Trump
got smoked by an eighty year old vegetable. So John
Fetterman and I will be setting down at the corner
bar having a beer, waiting for all your responses on that.
The parting issue. Trump could have pardoned the January six
(18:00):
ers on his way out the door, but he chose
to pardon gangs to rappers instead. And number three on Trump.
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Speaker 2 (19:07):
Welcome back to Clay and Buck. Joining us now as
we had promised, is our friend Julie Kelly. She's a
writer of American greatness. She's got a book January sixth
how Democrats use the Capital protest to launch a war
on terror against the political right. Julie, thank you for
coming back and talking to us all about this. We
told everybody at the top of this hour about the
(19:29):
breaking news that Rhodes, one of the defendants from January
sixth and an Oathkeeper, got eighteen years in federal prison,
the biggest sentence anyone's gotten. What do we need to
know about this case and what message do you think
it's sending?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Thanks for having me on. So this is Stuart Rhodes,
who is the founder and leader of the oath Keepers.
He and several other members of the group were charged
with seditious conspiracy. This is a crime can amount to treason.
It's a Civil War era statute. Almost everyone in the
(20:05):
United States who's ever been convicted of seditious conspiracy are
foreign terrorists with ties to El Keaeda and the Taliban.
But nonetheless, this DOJ has brought that charge against numerous
okeepers and proud boys. Today is the first sentencing that
came down in the conviction a seditious conspiracy conviction. He
(20:27):
was found guilty by a jury in November. Judge madea
one of the worst partisans on the DC District Court
allowed the government consented to the government's request to add
a terrorism enhancement to Stuart Rose's sentence. The government DOJ
Matthew Graves DCUs attorney wanted Roots in prison for twenty
(20:49):
five years. Not only did Meta allow the terrorism enhancement,
sentenced him to eighteen years in prison, the longest prison
sentence for any January sixth defendant. And also, I believe
the first time an American has been convicted and sentenced
for seditious conspiracy?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
What did he do? Julie, Like, what did he really
actually do? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I mean, we've told us the charges, but you know,
what are the transgressions that we should be aware of?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
So basically, in Stuart Rhads is a kooky guy, right,
and he sort of initiate and organized members of Oathkeepers
across the country to go to Washington, d C. But
most of the evidence, just like in the Proud Boys
trial which we've talked about, is nothing more than messages
and videos, texts and encrypted chats travel plans to get
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to Washington, d C. Stuart Rhads didn't even go inside
the building, and the people, the Oathkeepers who did go
in the building went in peacefully. There were police standing
right there. There's actual video of oathkeepers inside trying to
help police calm down the situation. This includes Capitol Police
officer Harry Dunn, who gave a victim impact statement yesterday,
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balled his eyes out, this big, huge Capitol Police officer,
and so but Stuart Rhodes. None of them did anything violent.
There was no way they could overthrow the government or
wage war against the United States without any weapons. In fact,
they stayed at hotels in Virginia. When they drove to
Washington legally bringing some firearms, they left them in the
(22:28):
hotel in Virginia so they didn't violate Washington, DC's strict
handgun lots. I mean, these are the same people who
are trying to overthrow the government. But unfortunately the definition
and the jury instructions for finding guilt and seditious conspiracy
is so low that these juries are coming back in
record time, within a day or two with guilty verdicts
(22:52):
on this. And then the government DOJ Attorney General Merrick
Garland and THECUS Attorney Master Graves absolutely throwing the book
at these guys like they are murderers.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Julie, this is important, and thank you for all the
work you've done on this, and thank you for coming
on as frequently as you have to share the latest
on the JAN six the individuals, and basically I think
it's fair to call them political prisoners at this point,
many of them. A couple of things. Can you contextualize
for everybody out there, how the throwing the book at
(23:28):
the JAN six defendants compares with the leniency that we're
seeing in virtually every other criminal enterprise involved in Washington, DC.
And the second part of that, this is so key.
I think you have been on on with us for
I think years now saying charges are coming against Trump
one hundred percent you said last summer, Ondred, I think
(23:50):
you now elevated it to like one hundred and ten percent.
How does this all fit in in your mind as
part of the puzzle pieces that are being constructed to
bring those charges against Trump.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
So absolute one hundred and twenty percent that Trump is
going to be indicted. What is dangerous for the seditious
conspiracy convictions and now sentences related to domestic terror enhancements
is both of these groups have been tied to Donald Trump.
The Proud Boys convictions that came down last month were
(24:26):
specially dangerous because the government DOJ made Donald Trump a
key figure in that trial. We talked about during closing
arguments the assistant US attorney. The first clip that they
played for the jury was the clip of Trump in
the twenty twenty debate where he said, proud boys, stand
back and stand by. The oathkeepers are also tried tied
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to Donald Trump because some of them went there to
provide security for Trump associates, including Roger Stone. So Trump's
name came up dozens of times in this one hundred
and eight eighty three crazy sentencing memorandum. What the government wanted
these nine convicted oathkeepers the prison sentences. So this will
(25:09):
give even more ammo to Special Counsel Jack Smith, Marrick
Garland's hand picked prosecutor special prosecutor to seek a grand
jury indictment against Donald Trump for seditious conspiracy as well.
This is problematic not just because of the potential sentence,
but because there now is case law and precedent to
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deny release that means deny bond for someone who is
being charged with seditious conspiracy. So this really escalates not
just the legal threat Jeffery which has always been there
for Trump, but the seriousness of the charge and the
consequences of seditious conspiracy indictment and as.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Part of this. By the way, just in terms of
if you're someone out there and you are trying to argue, oh, well,
they're just prosecuting everybody in DC to the fullest extent
of the law. Actually, they're letting actual violent criminals off.
In fact, the data reflects that in DC they're tending
to lower felonies to misdemeanors. Right, So the district attorneys
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and the people who are prosecuting in Washington, d C.
Are uniquely throwing the book at these political prisoners and
letting actual violent criminals run amok. Right, based on what
you see when you look at.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
The data, that's absolutely right. And the data is that
Matthew Graves, the DC US attorney appointed by Joe Biden,
he's unique in terms of he handles both local and
federal crimes committed in Washington, d C. He has a
sixty seven percent declination rate that means declining to bring
charges against people that police have arrested and they bring
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these cases to Matthew Graves's office and he declines to
prosecute sixty seven percent of the alleged criminals in Washington,
d C. Meanwhile, as one hundred percent prosecution rate doesn't
matter if it's someone who accused of parading in the capital,
a low level misdemeanor or a ridiculous, editious conspiracy indictment
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that he brought as soon as he took over that office.
So that's why Washington DC as it descends into violent
chaos every single weekend. But don't worry, Stuart Rhodes. You
know this kind of crazy, kooky guy who leads the oathkeepers.
Former law enforcement and veterans are most of that group.
He will be safely behind bars for eighteen years while
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other criminals run free in the nation's capital.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Julie.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
One more for you. We're speaking to Julie Kelly. We
recommend her book to all of you who are listening
January sixth, How Democrats use the capital protest to launch
a war on terror against the political right. Last one
for you, Julie, what is the top count going to be?
In your mind? You said Trump is absolutely going to
be federally indicted. Just to add some specificity here, do
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you think they're going to go with a seditious conspiracy
charge against President Trump?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I think since we're talking percentages, we like here and
I know you guys are sports guys. I think it
went from about fifty percent before to eighty percent after
the Proud Boy's convictions, and today this sentence saying, I
would say it's probably ninety percent chance that Jack Smith
Special Council Jacksmith will seek seditious conspiracy indictment against Donald
(28:28):
Trump in addition to numerous other accounts such as obstruction.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
What do you think the time is, Julie in which
this would likely occur?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
So, I know we've talked about this before, including last year,
but then there were some wrinkles the August rate of
mar lago than the pursuit of a classified document's investigation.
So I'm thinking there could be The classified documents indictment
could come as soon as June, and the January sixth
indictments could be July August. I can't see them going
(28:58):
much longer than the fall, because it looks like both
investigations are wrapping up. When the January sixth investigation the
bringing Michael Pence, Vice President Mike Pence before the grand jury,
it's hard to see how much more they can get
out of that. So I think that they're working on
both of those and we're going to see back to
back in multi talent indictments against Donald Trump from Jack Smith.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I'm sorry, Juli, I know I said last one, but
now I'm just so, I'm just I think it's so important,
so curious I have to ask your opinion on this
one because you saw the federal indictment coming a long
time ago. A DC jury, I don't have to ask
you one hundred percent. In my mind, DC jury would
convict Donald Trump of anything that Jack Smith refers to
doj for an actual charge. So then wouldn't that mean
that they actually want to lock Donald Trump up?
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yes, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And Julie, doesn't that also mean that the question we
talked to DeSantis about, and I saw you responding to
it on Twitter, shouldn't every Republican candidate, in your mind,
be pledging that they will pardon Donald Trump if they
become president, because otherwise they're going to try to put
him in prison.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Absolutely, I mean pardon Donald Trump and of course all
the Jan sixers even and make sure the sentences for
even the most violent offenders are commensurate with the sentences
brought by this DCUs Attorney's office in other cases assaulting
police officers. They routinely drop cases against people in DC
(30:25):
who arrested for assaulting police.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Officer's absolutely right, That's what I keep saying.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I mean, Julie, you know we're we're not trying to
excuse any illegal behavior. We just want fair treatment that
isn't infused with nothing but political malice. And that is
what we have seen. But thanks to your coverage, at
least the American people know about what's going on. We'll
continue to talk about it. Julie Kelly, thank you again
for being with us. We appreciate you anytime.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Guys, thanks for covering my work.
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Speaker 1 (32:04):
Learn laugh, and join us on the weekend on our
Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast, Fight It on
the iHeart Apple or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome
back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We obviously are
covering a variety of subjects, but man, Julie Kelly is
so fantastic. I hope you enjoy listening to her as
(32:25):
much as Buck and myself do, because really, what she
has done is be so correct about everything the Department
of Justice has coming as it pertains to Donald Trump.
And if she is right, and she's been right about
almost everything with us over the past couple of years,
then we're getting ready for Department of Justice indictments. Your
(32:47):
federal government is going to indict Donald Trump, the leading
candidate to take on Joe Biden in the twenty twenty
four election. And truly that will be an action that
is without any precedent in the two hundred and forty
plus years of this country. And when we come back
to the top of the third hour, I'll play you
(33:08):
a discussion of Ron DeSantis, who was on with us
to start the program today, discussing that. But I wanted
to get a couple more of your calls. By the way,
you can load up third hour. We'll continue to take
your calls reacting eight hundred two eight two two eight
eight to two. Jordan up in Saint Paul, Minnesota, what's
(33:29):
your take on Trump the DeSantis now that it's officially underway.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Yeah, I am Trump all the way. I think, Uh,
you know, Trump is brashed, but The only reason he's
so controversial is crazy mainstream media of the deep state
constantly attacking him. I think to go to Santis, it
feels like I'm kind of taking marching orders from Joy Red.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
And look, Hi, thank you for the call, Jordan. I
understand buck people out there who say I'm all in
on Trump, I'm not gonna move, I'm not gonna waiver.
I'm maga to the core. I understand that completely. Did
he say taking marching orders from Joy Reach. We've had
some people calling in like George Soros wants DeSantis to win,
or now Joy Reid wants DeSantis to win. That is
(34:20):
that is a laughably absurd position. I let's go to
the next call. Who have we Gyler in West Texas
wants to weigh in, Kyler, appreciate you, my man, what
you got Heny.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
Thanks for taking my call. First of all, the loyalty
analogy that you gave earlier earlier is perfect. If you
want loyalty, get a dog, all right. But my question
to you guys, I.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Bet can I say it's sort of a lot of people.
I want to interrupt you. I want you to keep going,
just it is kind of winer stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I've never you know, it's an argument that's never been
used before in politics for a reason, which is that
I don't. I think it's really that's not persuasive to
me anyway, keep going.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
So, I believe that this political persecution against Trump is
to elevate him in the primary. I think that the
Democrats think that he is beatable, yep, and they're afraid
of this antis So my question is, is they're worried
that the Democrats jumped into the primary in some of
these states and vote in Trump just because they feel
like they could beat him in the general.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
You know, Kyler, I think it's such a smart question.
What did we see buck In twenty twenty two, Democrats
spent millions on MAGA candidates to try to make sure
they were the nine and it work.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, just what to remind everybody of that the Democrats
strategy was push MAGA candidates in a bunch of places
because we're going to crush them, and everywhere they did
that it works.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
You can tell me that it won't work again, you
can tell me that they cheated, you can tell me
a million things, but it did work. So I think
that's worth us all noting millions of dollars they spent.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And it's incredibly hypocritical because on the one hand, they're
arguing Donald Trump and his supporters are legitimate threats to democracy.
On the other hand, look at what they're doing. They're
spending millions of dollars to elevate Trumps supporters, to put
them on the ballot because they think they have more
likely chance to beat them. Look, they were wrong in
(36:21):
twenty sixteen. They wanted Trump against Hillary and they lost.
They want Trump against Biden. If Democrats could pick who
the running mate, running challenger is, they would pick Trump.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Now, we have a new response video response from Donald
Trump that has been released, a response to the Desantas announcment.
We're going to play that for you coming up in
in the next hour. Well, it's gonna remind I know
there are a couple of Trump staffers right now who
are listening. I know a couple that come to mind
right away. Have the big guy call us. The Trump
(36:53):
phone is open. He is welcome to call in anytime.
We want to hear from him. We want I'd love
to hear him talk about the loyalty argument personally and
I'll make it to this audience.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Let's let's go.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
H
Welcome to today's edition of the Klay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Everybody,
thanks for being here with us. And as we started
off the show, you know, because Governoran DeSantis joined us,
we'll play some of that audio for you in the
third hour perhaps and go back over a little bit
of where the political.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Landscape stands right now.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But the primary is now, it feels fully underway with
the two heavyweights, at least by the polls, not a
weight shoke by the polls. Governoran DeSantis and Donald Trump,
President Trump.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Are in the mix now. It is official.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Also, we had breaking news that just hit in the
last few moments, just hitting the news wires, so you
might be hearing it here for the first time. The
oath Keeper's individual I believe the oath Keepers. He's a
founder or a leader of the Oathkeepers that was prosecuted
(01:02):
for his role in January sixth on seditious conspiracy charges.
Just got eighteen years in federal prison. Eighteen years and
you would you'd have to wonder what exactly did he do?
Who goes away for eighteen years? These days, Well, I
(01:23):
can tell you who doesn't go away at all, it
seems Hunter Biden. Because we also have more and more information.
I think we're gonna speak to Congress and Jim Jordan
later on this week about this. The whistleblower from within
the IRS coming forward. You got whistleblowers from the IRS,
the FBI, other places coming forward on.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
A whole range of issues. They realize the damage that
the deep state is doing.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
But specifically Clay, the IRS whistleblower is saying there are
irregularities when it came to the Hunter Biden funding, right,
the Hunter Biden getting all this money, bribes, It's called bribes.
We can use the word, I think from around the world,
not paying taxes on it. That's usually pretty straightforward stuff.
(02:09):
What are your thoughts as we see so the oathkeepers
got I mean, did he I don't think he was.
He one of the ones who was even there. I'm
checking this up right now. But you tell me what
your first reaction is.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, I mean, this goes to what we talked about
with Ron DeSantis in the first hour, and what Trump
has discussed as well, and what I'm going to pat
ourselves on the back a little bit. Julie Kelly has
been covering this better than anybody, and I don't know
that there's any media outlet that has had Julie on
more than we have to tell this story. And you
(02:42):
know I went out and gave thousands of dollars of
my own personal money for these January sixth defendants to
be able to have better legal representation. Does this political persecution.
There is no way on earth that the average January
sixth who is many of them being being sentenced more
(03:05):
severely for what they did associated with January sixth than
people who are actually committing violent crimes. And certainly if
you compare it to what happened to the BLM riots
when far more people died. Remember the only person who
died on January sixth was Ashley Babbitt, who was I
(03:26):
think unjustly shot and killed, unarmed and not being a threat.
So there was someone else was part of this, the
seditious conspiracy, one of the other defendants. It's tough to
keep them all straight.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We're going to reach out to Julie Kelly to make
sure that she because she's following this, LIKELI said, more
closely than anybody and has been a real just trying.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
To get you know justice.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Justice doesn't mean that all these individuals are innocent, but
far from it. But ten years in federal prison, twenty
years in federal prison is that justice at a time
when people who are murdering others are getting far less
time in prison. But let's go to Rhodes, who is
this Oathkeeper's leader dressed in combat style gear. Converged. This
(04:08):
is from the Washington Post, So this is the most
negative depiction of this YU will find, just to be clear,
but converged from the Capitol after staging an arsenal of
weapons at nearby hotels, ready to take up arms at
roads direction. According to prosecutors, Rhodes did not Yeah, he
did not enter the building, but was in contact with
ground team leader Megs, an auto dealer manager, just before
(04:32):
Megs led a line of members in military style tactle
gear up the capital steps, where they helped a crowd
force entry. Rose Defense said he and co defendant came
to Washington as bodyguards for Republican VIPs, including Roger Stone.
The Oathkeeper said some of some brought firearms only to
help as peacekeepers in case Trump met their demand to
(04:54):
invoke the Civil War Insurrection Act and mobilize a private
militia to stop Biden from becoming president. Okay, so he
wasn't there and he didn't hurt anybody personally, He wasn't
even president at the president at the Capitol. A lot
of stuff about you know, insurrection and a lot of
bad stuff in the text messages.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Eighteen years in federal prison. Look, this is all about
charging Trump. They wanted. They have system. You have to
look at what their roadmap is, and they have meticulously
constructed a seditious conspiracy. All of these charges are being
(05:35):
put in place so they can charge Donald Trump. I
would be buck stunned beyond belief at this point if
there are not federal charges coming against Trump. Now, I
still put a tiny little percentage chance out there. I
don't know that he has the testicular fortitude or mental
competency to pull it off. A Jedi mind trick. Brilliant
(05:58):
move would actually be for Joe Biden to Donald Trump
while he's running against him. Yeah, yes, because then I
think a lot of independence, because it's an alpha move
by Biden. Because you say I beat him once in
twenty twenty, I don't need the Department of Justice to
put him behind bars, I'm gonna beat his ass again
in twenty twenty four. That's the alpha move.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
He's not gonna do it, though, there's no way that's
what because he'll upset that, he'll upset his lunatic Democrat base.
By the way, Julie's confirmed for one thirty. So look,
we're handling breaking news that it comes in. There have
been like eight hundred or something more than that now
January sixth. I want to say numbers, but it's been
hundreds and hundreds of people prosecuted on jan six This is, uh,
the biggest sentence that we have seen. Stuart Rhodes is
(06:44):
the individual here. We're talking about eighteen years in federal prison.
And I understand there's no there's no parole. He's served
in eighteen years, folks, that's how this goes. Federal system
doesn't have parole. So he's he's gonna spend almost two
decades in prison. And you ask yourself, Okay, so he's
going to spend two decades in prison because of some
(07:05):
reckless talk about overthrowing the government or how you know that,
I don't know. I have to look into all the
text messages. Didn't hurt anybody didn't actually actively try to
hurt anybody physically I'm talking about yeah, and wasn't even
at the capitol.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I'll give you a prominent case. It's going to get
a lot of attention soon. Henry Bruggs is a wide receiver,
was driving drunk in Las Vegas killed a woman driving
at one hundred and thirty miles an hour. I believe
with a blood alcohol level half or sorry, twice as
much as what the legal limit is, Buck, he's going
to get less time in prison than this January sixth
(07:43):
defendant just did. And I mean that's just using one now.
Obviously one is in the state of Nevada. But we're
talking about violent you know, drunk driving that killed a
person where there's no defense against his behavior at all
while driving over one hundred miles an hour. And I'll
also point out and I Julie will hammer this home
at the bottom of the hour because she has been
(08:04):
covering all these cases so well, it's not just that
they're throwing the book at the January sixth defendants, Buck,
they are barely prosecuting anybody for violent crime in Washington,
d c. Otherwise. So you've got a situation where the
district attorneys in DC are basically taking felony charges down
(08:26):
to misdemeanors and choosing not to prosecute and then throwing
the book and getting maximum punishments here.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So I'm gonna use my little CIA coup overthrow tiny
tinpot dictatorship. Brain here for a second. If the oathkeeper's guy,
if they had this stash of weapons, that why.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Did none of them bring weapons?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, if their intent was to use weapons to overthrow
the government, why is it that they brought placards? You know,
like what you bring to a protest, and you know, yeah,
some of the like the tactical gear that they brought,
but it's stuff to deal with gas masks. I've been
to Antifa protests. I've covered them before. I'd never say
the term journalists, but I've covered them for media purposes. Right,
(09:09):
I've been there and seen they have little plastic shields
and they have gas masks, and no one thinks they're
I don't overthrowing the government, even though they say they
want to all the time.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
They're anarchists.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
They talk about how they want to overthrow the existing order,
but no one, well, we're not allowed to take them seriously,
even though they're a violent extremist group. But that's the
question for me, and I want to pose this to Julie.
If these individuals were part of a conspiracy to stockpile weapons,
why did none of them actually at all at all
(09:37):
bring weapons to the capital, Right?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah? I also what is that?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And how do you and then you ask a questions
how do you overthrow the federal government with no weapons?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
That that, to me is the big point here. If
this were an actual coup, would you choose grandmas and
grandpas with selfie sticks to be your soldiers? I mean,
the argument that this was in any way an attempt
to overthrow the United States government is so laughably absurd
on its face. And this is why Buck, I think,
(10:11):
to a large degree, including that they had a lot
of informants in that crowd encouraging people to go into
the Capitol, because that's one reason I think they don't
want all the footage to come out. But it's also
why we're only seeing a sentilla. I mean Tucker, the
video that Tucker showed of the so called QAnon shaman
who everybody was trying to say, oh my goodness, this
(10:33):
guy is a huge threat to the American Republic and
then you watch him and the police are just kind
of walking around with him. That footage would have never
come out if not for Tucker's show. And so how
many of these other hours of footage that we have
are indicative of what the vast majority of people who
(10:56):
entered on January sixth did, which is they walked around,
they took photos inside, engaged in almost no violent behavior
as a collective group. And now we've got the full
might of the United States government treating them as if
they are the greatest threats to American democracy that have
ever existed the whole purpose. The thing that is so
(11:19):
staggeringly difficult, I think for a lot of people to
even comprehend is the degree of lying that's going on here.
When you're talking about threats to democracy and you are
the Department of Justice that's raiding the home of a
former president, and you are trying to put a former
president in prison who is a leading political opposition candidate
(11:39):
of the party in power. This is third world Banana
Republic level idiocy, and frankly, wat scarier than anything that
happened on January sixth.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The judge here in DC META said about this defendant
who is now going away for eighteen years, You, sir,
present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country,
to the republic, and to the very fabric of our democracy.
I have a feeling that Judge is a lib who
(12:09):
is hostile to anybody who is even vaguely or tangentially
associated with being on the right. Again, the point here
is not to say that people who who broke who
destroyed property at the Capitol, or who were violent with
police officers shouldn't shouldn't be punished. The point is disparate
(12:31):
treatment in the law for political reasons is a bedrock,
a foundation of tyranny. And we're sitting here on the
one hand, you know, we're talking about we got but Biden.
Who's you know, Celo. I was commemorating the three year
anniversary of George Floyd. I'm sitting here saying, I remember
(12:51):
when maniacs destroyed my neighborhood, all Biden voters. I remember
when maniacs were mobbing outside the White House and tried
to burn down a history. I remember when Biden voters
tried to burn down a federal courthouse. I remember when
they were attempting to blind the federal officers sent there
to Portland by DHS with lasers to blind somebody. Yeah,
if someone told me I'm trying to blind you and
(13:12):
I had a side arm, I would use it. Okay,
blinding somebody is extreme aiming. You should be able to
use lethal force to defend yourself against that. How many
of them got twenty years in prison?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
None? No BLM protester, and there were far more of
them doing far more violence have faced any level of
prosecution remotely similar to Jan six.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, you sit here, you wonder how much time
did the lunatics who fire bomb the police car in
New York City get?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
They didn't get twenty years Biden voters.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
How much time did the people who you go down
the list, you see, the country was convulsed. The twenty
twenty election was held under the threat of mob violence
by lunatic Biden voters, pretending that you know, BLM is
what they're really because they just wanted to burn everything
down and they got away with it. And so I
understand there's a lot of frustration from people out there
(14:03):
who sit there and say, okay, So you know, there
was a protest about Biden about the twenty twenty election,
some people got out of hand. You know, ninety five
percent of the people gathering in DC didn't do anything.
It was a mostly peaceful protest, remember that. But some
of them got out of hand.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Some of them.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, they should face consequences for attacking cops and whatever, But.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
How do we deal with that? How do we process that?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
When Biden voters in mobs, and of course they were
allowed to even during COVID because it was so important,
can attack police with impunity, they would just show up.
They would show up and do everything that you saw
people doing on January sixth to police. I have seen
at different left wing Democrat Biden voting mobs in the past,
(14:48):
everything throwing. I've seen them throw rocks at cops. I've
seen them throw bottles of urine at cops. I've seen
them punch cops. Any of them get twenty years or
eighteen years in federal prison, I don't think so. Look, well,
we'll talk to Julie about this in a few minutes.
But a country where you can't trust the justice system
is not a country where you're going to think there
is a justice system for very long. All Right, I
(15:11):
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Speaker 1 (16:29):
Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. We're gonna have Julie Kelly
at the bottom of the hour here to talk about
the latest on jan six, But we got a bunch
of you who want to weigh in on a variety
of different topics. We'll take some of your calls obviously
throughout the course of the show. Eight hundred two eight
two two eight A two Mike in Omaha, Nebraska. What
(16:52):
you got for us?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Hey, Clay and Buck, Good afternoon, Fellas. Three quick things
I wanted to point out on the launch. Number one
on the launch desantus's target demographic wasn't old boomers. It
was young Republicans, young conservatives, young independence and women. And
when that target demographic crashes the site because there's so
(17:14):
much actual interest, I would say that's a success. Now,
let's remember Trump's launch in twenty fifteen where he came
down the elevators and this is easily you can easily
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dollars a pop to come cheer for him, while Heavy
D yesterday was raising a million dollars in his sixty
second Twitter spot, our sixty minute Twitter spot. Number two,
(17:37):
when I hear all this, oh, Trump or de Santas
doesn't have the personality and he doesn't have the personality
to be president. Well, your mister personality, Donald J. Trump
got smoked by an eighty year old vegetable. So John
Fetterman and I will be setting down at the corner
bar having a beer, waiting for all your responses on that.
The parting issue. Trump could have pardoned the January six
(18:00):
ers on his way out the door, but he chose
to pardon gangs to rappers instead. And number three on Trump.
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Speaker 2 (19:07):
Welcome back to Clay and Buck. Joining us now as
we had promised, is our friend Julie Kelly. She's a
writer of American greatness. She's got a book January sixth
how Democrats use the Capital protest to launch a war
on terror against the political right. Julie, thank you for
coming back and talking to us all about this. We
told everybody at the top of this hour about the
(19:29):
breaking news that Rhodes, one of the defendants from January
sixth and an Oathkeeper, got eighteen years in federal prison,
the biggest sentence anyone's gotten. What do we need to
know about this case and what message do you think
it's sending?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Thanks for having me on. So this is Stuart Rhodes,
who is the founder and leader of the oath Keepers.
He and several other members of the group were charged
with seditious conspiracy. This is a crime can amount to treason.
It's a Civil War era statute. Almost everyone in the
(20:05):
United States who's ever been convicted of seditious conspiracy are
foreign terrorists with ties to El Keaeda and the Taliban.
But nonetheless, this DOJ has brought that charge against numerous
okeepers and proud boys. Today is the first sentencing that
came down in the conviction a seditious conspiracy conviction. He
(20:27):
was found guilty by a jury in November. Judge madea
one of the worst partisans on the DC District Court
allowed the government consented to the government's request to add
a terrorism enhancement to Stuart Rose's sentence. The government DOJ
Matthew Graves DCUs attorney wanted Roots in prison for twenty
(20:49):
five years. Not only did Meta allow the terrorism enhancement,
sentenced him to eighteen years in prison, the longest prison
sentence for any January sixth defendant. And also, I believe
the first time an American has been convicted and sentenced
for seditious conspiracy?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
What did he do? Julie, Like, what did he really
actually do? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I mean, we've told us the charges, but you know,
what are the transgressions that we should be aware of?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
So basically, in Stuart Rhads is a kooky guy, right,
and he sort of initiate and organized members of Oathkeepers
across the country to go to Washington, d C. But
most of the evidence, just like in the Proud Boys
trial which we've talked about, is nothing more than messages
and videos, texts and encrypted chats travel plans to get
(21:43):
to Washington, d C. Stuart Rhads didn't even go inside
the building, and the people, the Oathkeepers who did go
in the building went in peacefully. There were police standing
right there. There's actual video of oathkeepers inside trying to
help police calm down the situation. This includes Capitol Police
officer Harry Dunn, who gave a victim impact statement yesterday,
(22:06):
balled his eyes out, this big, huge Capitol Police officer,
and so but Stuart Rhodes. None of them did anything violent.
There was no way they could overthrow the government or
wage war against the United States without any weapons. In fact,
they stayed at hotels in Virginia. When they drove to
Washington legally bringing some firearms, they left them in the
(22:28):
hotel in Virginia so they didn't violate Washington, DC's strict
handgun lots. I mean, these are the same people who
are trying to overthrow the government. But unfortunately the definition
and the jury instructions for finding guilt and seditious conspiracy
is so low that these juries are coming back in
record time, within a day or two with guilty verdicts
(22:52):
on this. And then the government DOJ Attorney General Merrick
Garland and THECUS Attorney Master Graves absolutely throwing the book
at these guys like they are murderers.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Julie, this is important, and thank you for all the
work you've done on this, and thank you for coming
on as frequently as you have to share the latest
on the JAN six the individuals, and basically I think
it's fair to call them political prisoners at this point,
many of them. A couple of things. Can you contextualize
for everybody out there, how the throwing the book at
(23:28):
the JAN six defendants compares with the leniency that we're
seeing in virtually every other criminal enterprise involved in Washington, DC.
And the second part of that, this is so key.
I think you have been on on with us for
I think years now saying charges are coming against Trump
one hundred percent you said last summer, Ondred, I think
(23:50):
you now elevated it to like one hundred and ten percent.
How does this all fit in in your mind as
part of the puzzle pieces that are being constructed to
bring those charges against Trump.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
So absolute one hundred and twenty percent that Trump is
going to be indicted. What is dangerous for the seditious
conspiracy convictions and now sentences related to domestic terror enhancements
is both of these groups have been tied to Donald Trump.
The Proud Boys convictions that came down last month were
(24:26):
specially dangerous because the government DOJ made Donald Trump a
key figure in that trial. We talked about during closing
arguments the assistant US attorney. The first clip that they
played for the jury was the clip of Trump in
the twenty twenty debate where he said, proud boys, stand
back and stand by. The oathkeepers are also tried tied
(24:47):
to Donald Trump because some of them went there to
provide security for Trump associates, including Roger Stone. So Trump's
name came up dozens of times in this one hundred
and eight eighty three crazy sentencing memorandum. What the government wanted
these nine convicted oathkeepers the prison sentences. So this will
(25:09):
give even more ammo to Special Counsel Jack Smith, Marrick
Garland's hand picked prosecutor special prosecutor to seek a grand
jury indictment against Donald Trump for seditious conspiracy as well.
This is problematic not just because of the potential sentence,
but because there now is case law and precedent to
(25:30):
deny release that means deny bond for someone who is
being charged with seditious conspiracy. So this really escalates not
just the legal threat Jeffery which has always been there
for Trump, but the seriousness of the charge and the
consequences of seditious conspiracy indictment and as.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Part of this. By the way, just in terms of
if you're someone out there and you are trying to argue, oh, well,
they're just prosecuting everybody in DC to the fullest extent
of the law. Actually, they're letting actual violent criminals off.
In fact, the data reflects that in DC they're tending
to lower felonies to misdemeanors. Right, So the district attorneys
(26:14):
and the people who are prosecuting in Washington, d C.
Are uniquely throwing the book at these political prisoners and
letting actual violent criminals run amok. Right, based on what
you see when you look at.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
The data, that's absolutely right. And the data is that
Matthew Graves, the DC US attorney appointed by Joe Biden,
he's unique in terms of he handles both local and
federal crimes committed in Washington, d C. He has a
sixty seven percent declination rate that means declining to bring
charges against people that police have arrested and they bring
(26:49):
these cases to Matthew Graves's office and he declines to
prosecute sixty seven percent of the alleged criminals in Washington,
d C. Meanwhile, as one hundred percent prosecution rate doesn't
matter if it's someone who accused of parading in the capital,
a low level misdemeanor or a ridiculous, editious conspiracy indictment
(27:12):
that he brought as soon as he took over that office.
So that's why Washington DC as it descends into violent
chaos every single weekend. But don't worry, Stuart Rhodes. You
know this kind of crazy, kooky guy who leads the oathkeepers.
Former law enforcement and veterans are most of that group.
He will be safely behind bars for eighteen years while
(27:36):
other criminals run free in the nation's capital.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Julie.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
One more for you. We're speaking to Julie Kelly. We
recommend her book to all of you who are listening
January sixth, How Democrats use the capital protest to launch
a war on terror against the political right. Last one
for you, Julie, what is the top count going to be?
In your mind? You said Trump is absolutely going to
be federally indicted. Just to add some specificity here, do
(28:01):
you think they're going to go with a seditious conspiracy
charge against President Trump?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I think since we're talking percentages, we like here and
I know you guys are sports guys. I think it
went from about fifty percent before to eighty percent after
the Proud Boy's convictions, and today this sentence saying, I
would say it's probably ninety percent chance that Jack Smith
Special Council Jacksmith will seek seditious conspiracy indictment against Donald
(28:28):
Trump in addition to numerous other accounts such as obstruction.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
What do you think the time is, Julie in which
this would likely occur?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
So, I know we've talked about this before, including last year,
but then there were some wrinkles the August rate of
mar lago than the pursuit of a classified document's investigation.
So I'm thinking there could be The classified documents indictment
could come as soon as June, and the January sixth
indictments could be July August. I can't see them going
(28:58):
much longer than the fall, because it looks like both
investigations are wrapping up. When the January sixth investigation the
bringing Michael Pence, Vice President Mike Pence before the grand jury,
it's hard to see how much more they can get
out of that. So I think that they're working on
both of those and we're going to see back to
back in multi talent indictments against Donald Trump from Jack Smith.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I'm sorry, Juli, I know I said last one, but
now I'm just so, I'm just I think it's so important,
so curious I have to ask your opinion on this
one because you saw the federal indictment coming a long
time ago. A DC jury, I don't have to ask
you one hundred percent. In my mind, DC jury would
convict Donald Trump of anything that Jack Smith refers to
doj for an actual charge. So then wouldn't that mean
that they actually want to lock Donald Trump up?
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yes, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And Julie, doesn't that also mean that the question we
talked to DeSantis about, and I saw you responding to
it on Twitter, shouldn't every Republican candidate, in your mind,
be pledging that they will pardon Donald Trump if they
become president, because otherwise they're going to try to put
him in prison.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Absolutely, I mean pardon Donald Trump and of course all
the Jan sixers even and make sure the sentences for
even the most violent offenders are commensurate with the sentences
brought by this DCUs Attorney's office in other cases assaulting
police officers. They routinely drop cases against people in DC
(30:25):
who arrested for assaulting police.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Officer's absolutely right, That's what I keep saying.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I mean, Julie, you know we're we're not trying to
excuse any illegal behavior. We just want fair treatment that
isn't infused with nothing but political malice. And that is
what we have seen. But thanks to your coverage, at
least the American people know about what's going on. We'll
continue to talk about it. Julie Kelly, thank you again
for being with us. We appreciate you anytime.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Guys, thanks for covering my work.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
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Learn laugh, and join us on the weekend on our
Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast, Fight It on
the iHeart Apple or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome
back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We obviously are
covering a variety of subjects, but man, Julie Kelly is
so fantastic. I hope you enjoy listening to her as
(32:25):
much as Buck and myself do, because really, what she
has done is be so correct about everything the Department
of Justice has coming as it pertains to Donald Trump.
And if she is right, and she's been right about
almost everything with us over the past couple of years,
then we're getting ready for Department of Justice indictments. Your
(32:47):
federal government is going to indict Donald Trump, the leading
candidate to take on Joe Biden in the twenty twenty
four election. And truly that will be an action that
is without any precedent in the two hundred and forty
plus years of this country. And when we come back
to the top of the third hour, I'll play you
(33:08):
a discussion of Ron DeSantis, who was on with us
to start the program today, discussing that. But I wanted
to get a couple more of your calls. By the way,
you can load up third hour. We'll continue to take
your calls reacting eight hundred two eight two two eight
eight to two. Jordan up in Saint Paul, Minnesota, what's
(33:29):
your take on Trump the DeSantis now that it's officially underway.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Yeah, I am Trump all the way. I think, Uh,
you know, Trump is brashed, but The only reason he's
so controversial is crazy mainstream media of the deep state
constantly attacking him. I think to go to Santis, it
feels like I'm kind of taking marching orders from Joy Red.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
And look, Hi, thank you for the call, Jordan. I
understand buck people out there who say I'm all in
on Trump, I'm not gonna move, I'm not gonna waiver.
I'm maga to the core. I understand that completely. Did
he say taking marching orders from Joy Reach. We've had
some people calling in like George Soros wants DeSantis to win,
or now Joy Reid wants DeSantis to win. That is
(34:20):
that is a laughably absurd position. I let's go to
the next call. Who have we Gyler in West Texas
wants to weigh in, Kyler, appreciate you, my man, what
you got Heny.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
Thanks for taking my call. First of all, the loyalty
analogy that you gave earlier earlier is perfect. If you
want loyalty, get a dog, all right. But my question
to you guys, I.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Bet can I say it's sort of a lot of people.
I want to interrupt you. I want you to keep going,
just it is kind of winer stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I've never you know, it's an argument that's never been
used before in politics for a reason, which is that
I don't. I think it's really that's not persuasive to
me anyway, keep going.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
So, I believe that this political persecution against Trump is
to elevate him in the primary. I think that the
Democrats think that he is beatable, yep, and they're afraid
of this antis So my question is, is they're worried
that the Democrats jumped into the primary in some of
these states and vote in Trump just because they feel
like they could beat him in the general.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
You know, Kyler, I think it's such a smart question.
What did we see buck In twenty twenty two, Democrats
spent millions on MAGA candidates to try to make sure
they were the nine and it work.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, just what to remind everybody of that the Democrats
strategy was push MAGA candidates in a bunch of places
because we're going to crush them, and everywhere they did
that it works.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
You can tell me that it won't work again, you
can tell me that they cheated, you can tell me
a million things, but it did work. So I think
that's worth us all noting millions of dollars they spent.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And it's incredibly hypocritical because on the one hand, they're
arguing Donald Trump and his supporters are legitimate threats to democracy.
On the other hand, look at what they're doing. They're
spending millions of dollars to elevate Trumps supporters, to put
them on the ballot because they think they have more
likely chance to beat them. Look, they were wrong in
(36:21):
twenty sixteen. They wanted Trump against Hillary and they lost.
They want Trump against Biden. If Democrats could pick who
the running mate, running challenger is, they would pick Trump.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Now, we have a new response video response from Donald
Trump that has been released, a response to the Desantas announcment.
We're going to play that for you coming up in
in the next hour. Well, it's gonna remind I know
there are a couple of Trump staffers right now who
are listening. I know a couple that come to mind
right away. Have the big guy call us. The Trump
(36:53):
phone is open. He is welcome to call in anytime.
We want to hear from him. We want I'd love
to hear him talk about the loyalty argument personally and
I'll make it to this audience.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Let's let's go.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
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