April 27, 2023 • 36 mins
Clay interviews Democrat presidential candidate RFK Jr. on his challenge to Biden, covid mandate disasters, losing friends and his fear of a totalitarian future. Randi Weingarten tries to rewrite history on locking down schools. Senate Dems prevent vote on whether to ban men from women's sports. Dude wins women's marathon. Clay vs. Buck on RFK. Callers on RFK Jr. Target locks up merchandise because of looting.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
We are joined now by a candidate for the Democrat
nomination running against Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
He is Robert F.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Kennedy, Junior, an environmental lawyer, author, known for activism and
for being the son, of course of US Senator Robert F. Kennedy,
nephew of John F. Kennedy, former President JFK and mister Kennedy.
Appreciate you joining us. I wanted to hit you with
the polling that is out there, which I know it's early,
(00:36):
but Fox News released a poll this morning that I
saw that has you at nineteen percent support. Joe Biden
has already basically announced that he's going to refuse to
debate you. What are you hearing, what are you seeing?
And what do you think of Biden's refusal to debate you.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Well, I think that's unfortunate. I think you know, we're
living at a time there's a lot of Americans who
are losing faith in democracy or have loss faith in it,
and who believes the system is rigged and that democracy
has broken. And I think it's really time for the
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Democratic Party, particularly to persuade people to make this election
at template or how democracy is supposed to work, to
have real debates, to do town halls, to do real politics,
retail politics, and not have the nominees for each party
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picked by a party elite.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
We're talking to Robert F. Kennedy Junior.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You tweeted yesterday and I want to read this. It's
dawning on mainstream figures like Anthony Fauci that their COVID
policies were a public health disaster. Lots of us are
angry about the mandates, the lockdowns, the censorship, the insanity,
but we need to avoid the toxic quagmire of retribution
and blame, and folks focus on ensuring this never happens again.
(02:02):
Clean up the regulatory agencies, get corporate money out of
public health, and guarantee free, open, uncensored public and scientific discourse.
I'm sure you've seen Randy Winingarten showing up on Capitol Hill,
the head of the teachers' union and claiming that she
didn't advocate to shut down schools, when in fact she did.
(02:22):
I'm sure you've seen Fauci saying, hey, I never said
that schools should shut down or that we should lock down,
when in fact he did. How do we move forward here?
And how big of a failure in your mind was COVID?
Have you seen anything like it in your life?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, I don't think anybody has. Let me clarify something
about that tweet. You know, I've been litigating for forty years.
And the people who broke the law and who illegally
forced people to do things at you know they were
illegal to do, used illegal coercion, should be prosecuted. And
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then they attacked the Bill of Rights. They took away
our free speech, our first Amendment right they took away
They closed the churches for a year. They went after
our freedom of assembly by getting us to social distance
again without any scientific citation or due process. They shut
down the businesses in violation of Fifth Amendment without due
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process or just compensation. They shut down jury trials for
any of these companies, no matter how negligent they were,
no matter how reckless their conduct, no matter how grievous
your injury, you cannot sue them. And they collaborated with
these pharmaceutical companies which were we now know were lying
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about their products. They knew the products didn't work, they
knew they didn't block transmission, they knew they didn't prevent infections,
and yet they were openly lying about it. Democracy cannot
fly that kind of system.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So much of what you said, I know our audience
is going to agree with. You're running on Democrat side
of the ledger. Why do you think almost no Democrats
are willing to acknowledge just about everything that you said.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It's very strange to me. One of the troubling things
about the pandemic is that people I know people aren't
friendly with people I'm related to, simply walked away from
the from the values that I always assumed there is
the bedrock values to the Democratic Party include beginning with
freedom of speech. You have many Democrats out there that
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have co signed on censorship, which you know, to me
is just a red line that can never be crossed.
Our Constitution was not built for easy times. It was
built for the hard times, and the framers did not
put a pandemic exception in it put a constitution during
the Civil War, our the country was on the verge
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of falling apart. When Abraham Lincoln tried to suspend habeas
Corpus the Court that you can't do that. The Constitution
is inviolable. And by the way, the framers knew all
about pandemics. There were two pandemics during the Revolutionary War.
There was a malaria epidemic that decimated the armies of Virginia.
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It was a smallpox epidemic that froze the armies of
New England during a critical period when we had already
conquered Montreal. And then between the end of the revolution
and the ratification of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights,
there were a dozen other epidemics. So they knew all
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about epidemics, but they didn't put that in the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You mentioned the way people have responded to you. Both
Buck and I have had friends and family that have
been upset with us for talking about the truth on COVID. You,
I imagine, given that you are not only connected at
high levels of Democrat politics based on your family, but
also your history of living in Hollywood and interacting with
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many people in the entertainment industry, I imagine, have felt
castigated and tossed aside, maybe unlike at any point in
your life. What has that experience been like for you,
and have any of those people come back to you
now as suddenly it's becoming quite clear that lockdowns were
a disaster, that kids should have never been out of school,
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that the COVID shot did not do as you say
what we were all told by Pfizer, Maderna and Johnson
and Johnson it would do. Have people started to return
to you, what was your experience like over the last
three years speaking these truths that frankly a lot of
people didn't want to hear.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, I mean I was very isolated during that period.
For me, I'm not troubled by it because I knew
what I had to do, and you know, what other
people think of me is not really my business. It
was painful to lose a lot of these relationships, but
I felt like I was, you know, in some ways,
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just given a gift because it you know, you want
to spend your life doing something that's worthwhile, and that's
always going to be painful and difficult, so those difficulties
you kind of have to embrace. And that's how I
looked at it. But what I've seen is that there
is an openness now to people criticizing these products, and
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that a lot of my friendships are kind of friends
are coming back, and you know who were avoiding me
because I seemed to them like a dangerous person. And
you know, listen, we've known for a long time that
it's a huge mistake to give this vaccine to children.
Children and college aged kids have so few risks from COVID.
(07:50):
We've known from the beginning, and the vaccine is a
high risk product. So why would you give that look
with the essentially zero risks and the disease.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
We're talking Robert Kennedy Junior, who's running for the Democrat
nomination for the presidency in twenty twenty four. He just
recently announced he's got nineteen percent support in the most
recent poll released today by Fox News. How do you
think you're a history guy? I love the analogies that
you drew to how people in the United States have
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dealt with pandemics before, and even how the founding fathers
did both during the Revolutionary War and the drafting of
the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the documents
that are underlying our democracy today. How do you think
your dad and John F. Kennedy would have responded to
COVID as Democrats in the nineteen sixties, because everybody likes
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to talk about history, and obviously your uncle and your
father are stalwarts of the Democrat Party. How do you
think they would have responded to what they saw happen
in this country during COVID.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, Clay, I can't give you a good answer that.
I mean, I can give you a good answer. That's
that as sing answer to that, because I have ten
brothers and sisters and a lot of cousins, and all
of them kind of have ownership claims on my uncle
and father. So all of us make a practice out
of courtesy to each other of not sort of claiming
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my father and my Uncle's a premature for our own
personal issues, and it's just something we do, so I
try to avoid doing that. I mean, I have really
clear thoughts about what I think, but it's not something
because of that practice in my family that I would
share publicly.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
You know what, that's actually a fantastic I've never heard
that answer given to this question like that, but I
actually think it's a it's a fantastic answer, sir, I mean,
I really do. So let me just ask you a
couple of things to finish. Then you mentioned in the
history books fifty one hundred years from now, How do
you think COVID will be covered in this country? How
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do you hope this era will be covered in the country.
How do you I think it will?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well, I don't know that either, And the reason I
don't know that is because I don't even know where
this country is headed right now. I'm very worried about
what the future looks like. And you know, this is
something that I've talked about, and it's kind of a
theme with me, is with you have now these technologies
for control that we're unavailable to totalitarian systems in prior generations,
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so that you know the ambition of every totalitarian system
that's to control every aspect of human behavior and even
human thought, but none of them have ever been able
to do that because the technology has not been available.
But now we have these very frightening not only surveillance technologies,
but AI technologies that can manipulate our minds, that can
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manipulate our world views in ways that are incredibly insidious,
and in the hands of totalitarian systems of turnkey totalitarianism
that we have will be capable of changing human behavior,
intervening with our perceptions of reality in ways that are
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very very frightening. I don't know what's going to come,
but what I do know is the only way that
we can deal with this is by strengthening our democratic
institutions to guard ourselves against rise of that kind of totalitarianism,
because once it's out there, it will be impossible to defeat.
(11:36):
And we need now, we should, we should not be
weakening these institutions at this moment in history. We need
to be fortifying and bolstering them to make sure that
those technologies are not unleashed upon us as a tool
for control by totalitarian forces.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Last question for you and I apprecake the time we're
talking to Robert F.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Kennedy Junior. You're right that we're in a very crucible moment.
I think everybody out there listening to us on the
show certainly understands that. Across the country, Yet Joe Biden
has almost no challengers. I think it's fair to say
that given the fact that he has a forty percent
approval rating roughly nationwide, there's lots of people unsatisfied with
(12:17):
the direction of the country right now. Why do you
think almost no other Democrat has stepped up to challenge him?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Because the DNZ is the DNC has a capacity to
ruin your political career, and so I think most of
the Democrats are are frightened of the DNZ and unleashing
you know, a lava storm on them if they if
they try to enter the race. You know, I mean
(12:46):
one of the disappointing things that happened to me over
the past couple of leagues that I you know, I
witness live Bernie Sanders, who you know, who endorsed the
president and you know, he's been leader of the progressive
playing of the party and he got nothing in return.
And it was very very odd that he would do
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that because he you know, he's been against war, he's
been against corporatism, he's been against this an merger of
state corporate power that that President Biden represents with the
surrounded by all of his Wall Street people and his
neocons and all the people who are now you know,
running the White House. And it's very very odd to
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me that you know, that Bernie Sanders would have done that,
And I don't know what motivated him, but that to
me is I think the biggest disappointment.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Well, we appreciate your time today, will probably be willing
to have you on going forward. I know our audience
was very interested to hear from you. Good luck in
the campaign, and we appreciate the time today.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Hey Glay, thank you so much for having me. Look
forward to talking again for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
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Speaker 4 (15:08):
Good stuff there, Clay with RFK and I think this
is going to be interesting as it plays out the
Democrat side. Also that news earlier about it looks like
Mansion may not even run for the Senate in West Virginia.
Will follow up on all that. But you know, right now,
something else we had brought up. I just I want
to play the audio. We can come back into this
little bit more, Clay, because we're talking about how does
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Kamala get elected? How do you get elected as a
Democrat with no discernible skills, charisma or knowledge in a
very big I mean I think that's fair, right, No, I,
you know, such a devastating synopsis of her political careers.
Just called it like I see it, you know, just
called it like I see it. Well, you get the unions,
particularly the Teachers' Union, the Public Sector Union's SEIU, as
(15:55):
well things like that. Here's Randy Weiningarten of the American
Federation of Teachers on Capitol Hill yesterday. She's appalling. I
want to She's an appalling person. Play twenty.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I'm sorry, Congressman Raskin. I'm just We spent every day
from February on trying to get schools open.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
We knew that.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Remote education was not a substitute for opening schools, but
we also knew that people had to be safe. And
maybe it's because I live in New York City. I
lived near a hospital. Every other minute there was an ambulance.
There was terror. Our members were terrified, others were terrified.
(16:40):
And what we were simply looking for was clear scientific guidance.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
No no no no no, no, no no no. She
is lying to you. She sat down with and developed
the guidance with Fauci and Biden White House, and because
of her, an entire additional year of schooling was lost
for millions and millions of children across the country. And
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it was all the Democrats. It was all their election
machinery and the teachers' unions, and look, I think if
this is handled right, this should be an elect an
issue in twenty twenty four there should be. Maybe we
can't get accountability unmasked right. Maybe people want to forget
that clay the school closures. Kids' lives are altered because
of what Randy Winngarten and the lazy people running the
(17:30):
AFT demanded.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I would love a deep dive on do you remember
buck In June of twenty twenty, the American Academy of
Pediatrics and I may be misquoting them or miss signifying them,
but that's basically their name.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's all the pediatricians.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
They came out and said it was important that every
kid needed to be back in school. In the fall
of twenty twenty, the teachers' unions went to war with them.
They changed their guidance. Yes remember that, Yes I do.
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Wanted to update one little thing, Buck. The Senate blocked.
You know, the House passed the bill that would say, hey,
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you should men should play it compete against men and
women should compete against women. Democrats in the Senate blocked
that bill from maybe being voted on. Think about it,
Think about how crazy the world we live in is now.
No Democrat voted in favor of women competing against women
and men competing against men in the House. And then
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because they control the Senate, they blocked Tommy Tubberville, Senator
from Alabama, from even being able to bring that bill
up for a vote. Credit to Riley Gains, she has
a story out and a letter out. They wrote It's
Capitol Hill. They got seventy different high level women athletes
to sign onto this, and I feel like a lot
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of women are finally starting to respond. And I don't
know if you saw Martina Nevratilova, legendary tennis player Women's Star,
she went after Leah Thomas over the idea that feminists
should be supporting trans women. And I feel like a
lot of women are finally starting to step up here
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Buck and be willing to engage in the fray. But
think about where we are that a major political party
won't even allow a vote to take place on whether
women should be able to compete against women. You see
the number one story on Fox news dot com right
now is a transme and we know it's always a
guy right posing as a woman. Trans female runner got
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first place. What a shock among fourteen thousand women at
the London marriage and is now saying, well, if this
upsets people so much, I'll give I'll give the metal back.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
So see this.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
This is the reason that we continue to focus on
this is because it keeps happening. Yes, and the entire
Democrat Party and really the globalist left is pushing this
as much as possible. And what you see is think
about the psychology of this for all the women, the
actual women running in this race. The champion of your
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race was a dude, and you're supposed to think that's okay.
You know, if you run a marathon, you're run twenty
six miles or whatever it is. I've never done a marathon,
but it's twenty six miles right, based on Fidipity's ancient Greece.
We'll talk about that another time. So you run a marathon,
the person who comes in first. You get to be like,
oh man, she's she's amazing, Like look what she was
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able to accomplish through hard work and perseverance and God
given talent. And now for the fifteen thousand women that marathon,
it's you know, look at Bob, he runs real fast.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
That's reality, folks. That is the truth.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
And by the way, the news articles that are writing
on this are calling it, calling the individual here Glenick
Frank a she. Glenick Frank is not a she.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Correct. That is confusing to people because it is untrue.
Glick Frank is a he.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Big balls on Glinick Frank, Russia in Wisconsin wants to
react to the RSA must be RuSHA.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Did I mispronounce it Russia? I don't know. I'm not sure.
I'm not great at pronunciations. Are you there?
Speaker 6 (22:31):
It's I'm here, It's Rochelle, Rochelle.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well I have I thought Rushia seemed unlikely from our
esteemed call screening staff, But Rochelle Rochelle is much much
easier name to pronounce.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
What have you got for us?
Speaker 6 (22:47):
All right, I have a question for you, if this
is all possible. I'm listening to Kennedy the last couple
of months, and I like him, and I'm a Republican,
and you know, I might vote for him. Is it
all possible that we could get at a Democrat and
a Republican to run for public office to unite this country?
Because we're really not that much different from the old
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Democrats because I grew up Democratic and then we'd change
with Reagan. So is it at all possible that maybe
we could get a DeSantis and a Kennedy or we're
someone out there to run and unite this country because
right now we're so divided.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
It's a fascinating call. Here is what's interesting, Buck DeSantis
and RFK Junior would be almost one hundred percent in
agreement on COVID. Now there would be a lot I
can't I can't do this, I can't do this anymore.
I can't do the city just saying they would be
one hundred percent on agreement on code on COVID, Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
On COVID. Here is Here is our FK on other things.
Here's for for example, he's the Natural Resources Defense Counsel,
he's a senior attorney for this is on climate one.
He has a quote our deadly addiction to carbon is
the principal enemy to America's prosperity, leadership, and national security,
and to the values that make us proud to be
a part of this country. YadA, YadA, YadA. He's a
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climate loon. That that alone is totally should be totally
disqualifying everybody.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Clay, I'm with you so much about COVID that I'm
willing to overlook if you're right on COVID. You're like
a girl who is a perfect ten. I'm willing to
overlook a lot freaky. Look, I just want to go
on the record that this he's not.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
He's not even remotely one of us in any other
realm other than he'll take on big pharma.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
He's good on COVID.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
He was right during a time when all the other
Democrats were wrong on.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
The First Amendment. I mean, he's right on the First Amendment.
Which is maybe the most interesting part I thought of
our conversation is every other Democrat has basically abandoned the
First Amendment, which is and that's to me the first
thing for me, as someone who was a persuadable voter
in now things, Democrats are crazy. The absence of the
marketplace of ideas is pretty wild. Sharon in Texas, Sharon,
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what you got?
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Thank you for having RFK Junior on. I really enjoyed
that and it was refreshing to hear that he addressed
just the issues, not other personalities. And I liked all
his answers. And I'm a full Trump supporter, have been
since the beginning that I'm very impressed with RFK Jr.
And his book. My son got his book and read
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it and he really liked it. It really turned him
a key turn for him. And oh oh, by the way,
earlier in the show, you said that Kamala Harris was
supported by the Democrat machine. True, but one little thing.
Willie Brown in California did not support her running. In fact,
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he said no, do not run for president or vice president.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
That is really fascinating. I did not thank you, thank
you for the call. Okay. I think the other thing
RFK Junior demonstrates buck is how crazy left wing Democrats
have gone. And that's why the idea of mansion actually
running against my look. I think this is what's wild
to me, and that's why the R and d NC
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answer he gave was interesting. If Gavin Newsom ran against
Joe Biden. I think Gavin Newsom would smoke Joe Biden.
I don't think Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I don't know. I don't see that. I don't see that.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Let me tell you why, because I think Clay now
in the primary as it's structured, Remember, the primary as
it is structured, has one reason. I think they changed
it restructured for Biden and the the the primary determining
demographic for the Democrat primary is going to be, uh,
the way they've structured it, the black primary voters and
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particularly female black primary Democrat voters. Joe Biden does very
He's very strong with that demographic. He does very well
with them. So that's why I think you're right. If
you could get to the point where all Democrats nationwide
could just kind of have like a you know, like
a plebisciteer and all at once vote on Biden versus Newsome,
I think that, yeah, maybe you'd get a Newsome win.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But Bait.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Remember it's just like it's just like Bernie Sanders Hillary, Right,
They've structured it for Biden's benefit because that's what you know,
the machine has decided for him. So that's your right
that they did that. I actually wonder though, whether the
play would be to just skip South Carolina, which is
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now the first primary state, because a lot of people
would skip Iowa, or at least argue, hey, we're New
Hampshire first, whatever else, if you were running against Joe Biden, like,
let's just sketch out like your campaign plan, right, and
you were a Democrat. To me, because they're rigging the
system to such an extent in South Carolina, I think
you just skip South Carolina, give Joe Biden the limited
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amount of delegates that he would get there, and immediately
start competing in states where you could win. And I'll
just say this too, I don't know that black voters,
if you look at all the data, I don't know
that black voters actually are going to show up in
very good numbers for Joe Biden because.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
They did the black they did the last time.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Though they did the last time, and that's true, and
they didn't show up for Hillary in twenty sixteen, by
the way, the same way, which was a huge uh,
you know, and twenty they didn't show up in anywhere
near the numbers that they showed up for Obama in twelve.
Certainly they didn't show up for Hillary in sixteen.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Right.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Well, now we're talking about like the all time sort
of high water mark of participation, right versus you know,
Democratic norms. But they Biden. Look, we all know that
South Carolina switched for Biden. That's that's how we did it,
right yea.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
And and you know.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Gavin, here's the problem that Gavin Newsom faces, Clay. I
don't think Gavin Newsom plays well in swing states at all,
even a Democrats. I don't think the Democrat voters in Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania.
I don't think they trustknews him over Joe Biden at
this point. I remember, Joe Biden's the brand, you know
what I mean, He's the.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Percent of Democrats don't want Joe Biden to run. We've
never seen anything like this. I think they say that,
but they're all going to vote for it. Just well,
because there's a cognitive diciise. I think I think you're right,
because he's going to be the option. And this is
one thing where Biden is right. He keeps saying, don't
judge me against the Almighty, judge me against the other option,
or you know something along that line, so they will
(29:33):
show up eventually and push the Biden ticket. But what
I'm saying is I think there are I can probably
name you five or six people that I think if
they actually got in the race. Remember right now, RFK
Junior is getting nineteen percent of the vote. I mean
that is pretty crazy for a guy that just announced
last week and that most people don't really know, because
(29:56):
I think there's actually a lot of Democrats that are
coming around on I do.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Look you look back at Look.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I I get credit where it's due, right, He's great
on COVID. I think you guys had a really interesting inner.
I just couldn't make it for that everybody. By the way,
I wasn't not willing to talk to him or anything. Yes, yes, yes,
but but yeah, we had to schedule that out. I
had a scheduling issue, not a like I won't talk
to rf gays.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
It wasn't that.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
But I think Clay, you can see there are a
lot of people in recent presidential primary cycles who kind
of had a moment, you know, Nu Gangrich had a moment,
Chris Christy had a moment, right, Rudy Giuliani had more
than a moment, he like it was his was the favorite,
you know, right, he was the favorite. So I just
feel like Democrats never we can't hope that, or I
(30:40):
should say we can't count on We can hope, but
we can't count on Democrats making the mistake of dividing
themselves when they have a Democrat in the White House.
I just feel like they will Bernie Sanders this situation.
Remember what that super delegates did with Hillary. They will
just deal with it, you know though. Anyway, that's my sense.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I mean, one of the biggest stories of the twenty
sixteen campaign that nobody talks about is the actual rig
job was against Bernie Sanders by the by the d NC,
And we actually know one hundred percent that happened because
we saw the emails themselves. Because of the Hillary hacking. Look,
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Welcome back to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Coming up in the next hour, We've got Senator Marco Rubio.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
You know he doesn't do.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
A lot of media, so we're looking forward to talking
to him. You know, he's not not say, like Senator
Lindsey Graham, who I feel like has a little cot
in the corner of the cable news world where he can.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I mean, I would make fun of it, but I
literally have a camera and a television here, so I can.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I can go on at any moment too. So it's true,
I do.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
We do feel like content hobbits sometimes, like we're just
in these little ecosystems making talking video TV everything.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
But anyway, Marco Ruby will be with us. Also, we'll be.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Joined by a very interesting Kentucky governor gubernatorial candidate, Clay
uh which which we're excited about because I think it's
a shock to me. Is like I've actually never been
to Kentucky, which is embarrassing. I need to go, but yeah,
never been, never been.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I got a text the other day Keeenland is the
You ever been to a horse race in Kentucky?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
No, let's I think I'm gonna go to the Keenland
Race next year. I may have been talking to a
mutual friend of ours about going to check out Kentucky
because I just need to go and I hear, I hear,
you know, it's beautiful, I hear great things. Anyway, we
will get to Kelly Kraft.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
She is candidate for the next governor Kentucky. Anyway, it's
just a shock to anybody who's not from Kentucky that
you have a Democrat governor there. Crazy all right, we
have Tim in Michigan wants to weigh in on the
RFK interview. Tim, what's going on?
Speaker 8 (33:49):
Yeah, Hey, good afternoon, guys. So hey, really quick, Robert
F K H. Kennedy or whatever, he was just done.
You know he's deciding to Uh yeah, you go. Okay,
So here's so something that maybe you guys are not
aware of it. I just want your listeners to be
to be aware of this. So the guys are fraud cape,
period point blank. What people probably don't realize is there's
(34:10):
actually a video out there of him, okay, specifically saying
that anybody does not believe in climate change and doesn't
support it, that's against it should be in prison. All
you got to do is go uf the YouTube and.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
To Tim, Tim, I'm just wondering, have you been listening
to the show the last hour. I just read a
quote five minutes ago and called him a climate lunatic.
So you got to, buddy, you gotta stay with us man.
You gotta you gotta keep up with us here. You're
going to look you're right. I mean, he's thank you
for calling in Tim and Michigan. I just point this
stuff out because I think that often we see someone
cross over on one issue and it's worth it, Like
(34:42):
that's what Clay did this interview with him. He's right
on he was right on COVID. He's speaking the truth
about big farm and that's a good thing. I just
don't want people to start I'm hearing people say like, oh,
maybe he should run with Trump. No, that's a horrible idea.
That's a horrible idea that's never gonna happen. It's a
bad idea. He could be a far better choice.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Thing.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Joe Biden right, as almost anyone would, solely based on
the fact that he's right about one thing. Joe Biden's
wrong about Beverly everything.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Yes, well, that's fair, right, But I mean to him
teaming up with a Republican, that's it because he is
he's a climate extremist, folks. I mean, he's one of
these people who really thinks the world's gonna and he
believes that stuff. Ronda in Minnesota, Ronda, what do you
got for.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
Us, hey, Buck, you were talking about at the beginning
of the program, having Carrie checked the you know in
San Francisco if they've got all locked up with flexiglass. Well,
I live in Minnesota and we're way ahead of the
current here. California must be following our lead because the
target in downtown Minneapolis did that a long time ago.
(35:43):
They were looted all the time, and so finally they
just if you want toothpaste, you have to get an
employee down lock the cabinet.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
This is crazy.
Speaker 9 (35:52):
It's not even just like hide things.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Outrageous. Yeah, this, thank you, Ronda. I didn't know that
was happening in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I can't believe that's happening everywhere now. But this is
how bad the shoplifting has gotten. Do you remember when
we were kids.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
You're much younger than me, obviously, but when we were kids,
you would get a video game and you would have
to get like in Toys Rus or whatever the place
was like, you would have to get them to go
and unlock it because video games were expensive and they
were worried about kids stealing them. Everything else, somebody has
to unlock toothpaste now, like my mind is just blown
that this is how bad shoplifting has gotten in many
(36:27):
parts of the country.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Democrat prosecutors and Democrat controlled cities have not only refused
to enforce the laws, they have effectively nullified them by
putting it out there that.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
There's a limit.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
So if you steal less than nine hundred dollars in
San Francisco, you're not even getting arrested.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Folks.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
That's a lot.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
And think of it, all the times people steal, they
don't even get caught. They have legalized stealing. That's what
Democrats do.
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
We are joined now by a candidate for the Democrat
nomination running against Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
He is Robert F.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Kennedy, Junior, an environmental lawyer, author, known for activism and
for being the son, of course of US Senator Robert F. Kennedy,
nephew of John F. Kennedy, former President JFK and mister Kennedy.
Appreciate you joining us. I wanted to hit you with
the polling that is out there, which I know it's early,
(00:36):
but Fox News released a poll this morning that I
saw that has you at nineteen percent support. Joe Biden
has already basically announced that he's going to refuse to
debate you. What are you hearing, what are you seeing?
And what do you think of Biden's refusal to debate you.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Well, I think that's unfortunate. I think you know, we're
living at a time there's a lot of Americans who
are losing faith in democracy or have loss faith in it,
and who believes the system is rigged and that democracy
has broken. And I think it's really time for the
(01:14):
Democratic Party, particularly to persuade people to make this election
at template or how democracy is supposed to work, to
have real debates, to do town halls, to do real politics,
retail politics, and not have the nominees for each party
(01:35):
picked by a party elite.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
We're talking to Robert F. Kennedy Junior.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You tweeted yesterday and I want to read this. It's
dawning on mainstream figures like Anthony Fauci that their COVID
policies were a public health disaster. Lots of us are
angry about the mandates, the lockdowns, the censorship, the insanity,
but we need to avoid the toxic quagmire of retribution
and blame, and folks focus on ensuring this never happens again.
(02:02):
Clean up the regulatory agencies, get corporate money out of
public health, and guarantee free, open, uncensored public and scientific discourse.
I'm sure you've seen Randy Winingarten showing up on Capitol Hill,
the head of the teachers' union and claiming that she
didn't advocate to shut down schools, when in fact she did.
(02:22):
I'm sure you've seen Fauci saying, hey, I never said
that schools should shut down or that we should lock down,
when in fact he did. How do we move forward here?
And how big of a failure in your mind was COVID?
Have you seen anything like it in your life?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, I don't think anybody has. Let me clarify something
about that tweet. You know, I've been litigating for forty years.
And the people who broke the law and who illegally
forced people to do things at you know they were
illegal to do, used illegal coercion, should be prosecuted. And
(03:05):
then they attacked the Bill of Rights. They took away
our free speech, our first Amendment right they took away
They closed the churches for a year. They went after
our freedom of assembly by getting us to social distance
again without any scientific citation or due process. They shut
down the businesses in violation of Fifth Amendment without due
(03:26):
process or just compensation. They shut down jury trials for
any of these companies, no matter how negligent they were,
no matter how reckless their conduct, no matter how grievous
your injury, you cannot sue them. And they collaborated with
these pharmaceutical companies which were we now know were lying
(03:47):
about their products. They knew the products didn't work, they
knew they didn't block transmission, they knew they didn't prevent infections,
and yet they were openly lying about it. Democracy cannot
fly that kind of system.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So much of what you said, I know our audience
is going to agree with. You're running on Democrat side
of the ledger. Why do you think almost no Democrats
are willing to acknowledge just about everything that you said.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It's very strange to me. One of the troubling things
about the pandemic is that people I know people aren't
friendly with people I'm related to, simply walked away from
the from the values that I always assumed there is
the bedrock values to the Democratic Party include beginning with
freedom of speech. You have many Democrats out there that
(04:39):
have co signed on censorship, which you know, to me
is just a red line that can never be crossed.
Our Constitution was not built for easy times. It was
built for the hard times, and the framers did not
put a pandemic exception in it put a constitution during
the Civil War, our the country was on the verge
(05:01):
of falling apart. When Abraham Lincoln tried to suspend habeas
Corpus the Court that you can't do that. The Constitution
is inviolable. And by the way, the framers knew all
about pandemics. There were two pandemics during the Revolutionary War.
There was a malaria epidemic that decimated the armies of Virginia.
(05:23):
It was a smallpox epidemic that froze the armies of
New England during a critical period when we had already
conquered Montreal. And then between the end of the revolution
and the ratification of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights,
there were a dozen other epidemics. So they knew all
(05:44):
about epidemics, but they didn't put that in the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You mentioned the way people have responded to you. Both
Buck and I have had friends and family that have
been upset with us for talking about the truth on COVID. You,
I imagine, given that you are not only connected at
high levels of Democrat politics based on your family, but
also your history of living in Hollywood and interacting with
(06:08):
many people in the entertainment industry, I imagine, have felt
castigated and tossed aside, maybe unlike at any point in
your life. What has that experience been like for you,
and have any of those people come back to you
now as suddenly it's becoming quite clear that lockdowns were
a disaster, that kids should have never been out of school,
(06:29):
that the COVID shot did not do as you say
what we were all told by Pfizer, Maderna and Johnson
and Johnson it would do. Have people started to return
to you, what was your experience like over the last
three years speaking these truths that frankly a lot of
people didn't want to hear.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, I mean I was very isolated during that period.
For me, I'm not troubled by it because I knew
what I had to do, and you know, what other
people think of me is not really my business. It
was painful to lose a lot of these relationships, but
I felt like I was, you know, in some ways,
(07:04):
just given a gift because it you know, you want
to spend your life doing something that's worthwhile, and that's
always going to be painful and difficult, so those difficulties
you kind of have to embrace. And that's how I
looked at it. But what I've seen is that there
is an openness now to people criticizing these products, and
(07:28):
that a lot of my friendships are kind of friends
are coming back, and you know who were avoiding me
because I seemed to them like a dangerous person. And
you know, listen, we've known for a long time that
it's a huge mistake to give this vaccine to children.
Children and college aged kids have so few risks from COVID.
(07:50):
We've known from the beginning, and the vaccine is a
high risk product. So why would you give that look
with the essentially zero risks and the disease.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
We're talking Robert Kennedy Junior, who's running for the Democrat
nomination for the presidency in twenty twenty four. He just
recently announced he's got nineteen percent support in the most
recent poll released today by Fox News. How do you
think you're a history guy? I love the analogies that
you drew to how people in the United States have
(08:20):
dealt with pandemics before, and even how the founding fathers
did both during the Revolutionary War and the drafting of
the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the documents
that are underlying our democracy today. How do you think
your dad and John F. Kennedy would have responded to
COVID as Democrats in the nineteen sixties, because everybody likes
(08:42):
to talk about history, and obviously your uncle and your
father are stalwarts of the Democrat Party. How do you
think they would have responded to what they saw happen
in this country during COVID.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, Clay, I can't give you a good answer that.
I mean, I can give you a good answer. That's
that as sing answer to that, because I have ten
brothers and sisters and a lot of cousins, and all
of them kind of have ownership claims on my uncle
and father. So all of us make a practice out
of courtesy to each other of not sort of claiming
(09:19):
my father and my Uncle's a premature for our own
personal issues, and it's just something we do, so I
try to avoid doing that. I mean, I have really
clear thoughts about what I think, but it's not something
because of that practice in my family that I would
share publicly.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
You know what, that's actually a fantastic I've never heard
that answer given to this question like that, but I
actually think it's a it's a fantastic answer, sir, I mean,
I really do. So let me just ask you a
couple of things to finish. Then you mentioned in the
history books fifty one hundred years from now, How do
you think COVID will be covered in this country? How
(09:56):
do you hope this era will be covered in the country.
How do you I think it will?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well, I don't know that either, And the reason I
don't know that is because I don't even know where
this country is headed right now. I'm very worried about
what the future looks like. And you know, this is
something that I've talked about, and it's kind of a
theme with me, is with you have now these technologies
for control that we're unavailable to totalitarian systems in prior generations,
(10:28):
so that you know the ambition of every totalitarian system
that's to control every aspect of human behavior and even
human thought, but none of them have ever been able
to do that because the technology has not been available.
But now we have these very frightening not only surveillance technologies,
but AI technologies that can manipulate our minds, that can
(10:51):
manipulate our world views in ways that are incredibly insidious,
and in the hands of totalitarian systems of turnkey totalitarianism
that we have will be capable of changing human behavior,
intervening with our perceptions of reality in ways that are
(11:13):
very very frightening. I don't know what's going to come,
but what I do know is the only way that
we can deal with this is by strengthening our democratic
institutions to guard ourselves against rise of that kind of totalitarianism,
because once it's out there, it will be impossible to defeat.
(11:36):
And we need now, we should, we should not be
weakening these institutions at this moment in history. We need
to be fortifying and bolstering them to make sure that
those technologies are not unleashed upon us as a tool
for control by totalitarian forces.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Last question for you and I apprecake the time we're
talking to Robert F.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Kennedy Junior. You're right that we're in a very crucible moment.
I think everybody out there listening to us on the
show certainly understands that. Across the country, Yet Joe Biden
has almost no challengers. I think it's fair to say
that given the fact that he has a forty percent
approval rating roughly nationwide, there's lots of people unsatisfied with
(12:17):
the direction of the country right now. Why do you
think almost no other Democrat has stepped up to challenge him?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Because the DNZ is the DNC has a capacity to
ruin your political career, and so I think most of
the Democrats are are frightened of the DNZ and unleashing
you know, a lava storm on them if they if
they try to enter the race. You know, I mean
(12:46):
one of the disappointing things that happened to me over
the past couple of leagues that I you know, I
witness live Bernie Sanders, who you know, who endorsed the
president and you know, he's been leader of the progressive
playing of the party and he got nothing in return.
And it was very very odd that he would do
(13:07):
that because he you know, he's been against war, he's
been against corporatism, he's been against this an merger of
state corporate power that that President Biden represents with the
surrounded by all of his Wall Street people and his
neocons and all the people who are now you know,
running the White House. And it's very very odd to
(13:29):
me that you know, that Bernie Sanders would have done that,
And I don't know what motivated him, but that to
me is I think the biggest disappointment.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Well, we appreciate your time today, will probably be willing
to have you on going forward. I know our audience
was very interested to hear from you. Good luck in
the campaign, and we appreciate the time today.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Hey Glay, thank you so much for having me. Look
forward to talking again for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
That is Robert F. Kennedy Junior, running for the Democrat
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Good stuff there, Clay with RFK and I think this
is going to be interesting as it plays out the
Democrat side. Also that news earlier about it looks like
Mansion may not even run for the Senate in West Virginia.
Will follow up on all that. But you know, right now,
something else we had brought up. I just I want
to play the audio. We can come back into this
little bit more, Clay, because we're talking about how does
(15:31):
Kamala get elected? How do you get elected as a
Democrat with no discernible skills, charisma or knowledge in a
very big I mean I think that's fair, right, No, I,
you know, such a devastating synopsis of her political careers.
Just called it like I see it, you know, just
called it like I see it. Well, you get the unions,
particularly the Teachers' Union, the Public Sector Union's SEIU, as
(15:55):
well things like that. Here's Randy Weiningarten of the American
Federation of Teachers on Capitol Hill yesterday. She's appalling. I
want to She's an appalling person. Play twenty.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I'm sorry, Congressman Raskin. I'm just We spent every day
from February on trying to get schools open.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
We knew that.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Remote education was not a substitute for opening schools, but
we also knew that people had to be safe. And
maybe it's because I live in New York City. I
lived near a hospital. Every other minute there was an ambulance.
There was terror. Our members were terrified, others were terrified.
(16:40):
And what we were simply looking for was clear scientific guidance.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
No no no no no, no, no no no. She
is lying to you. She sat down with and developed
the guidance with Fauci and Biden White House, and because
of her, an entire additional year of schooling was lost
for millions and millions of children across the country. And
(17:07):
it was all the Democrats. It was all their election
machinery and the teachers' unions, and look, I think if
this is handled right, this should be an elect an
issue in twenty twenty four there should be. Maybe we
can't get accountability unmasked right. Maybe people want to forget
that clay the school closures. Kids' lives are altered because
of what Randy Winngarten and the lazy people running the
(17:30):
AFT demanded.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I would love a deep dive on do you remember
buck In June of twenty twenty, the American Academy of
Pediatrics and I may be misquoting them or miss signifying them,
but that's basically their name.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's all the pediatricians.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
They came out and said it was important that every
kid needed to be back in school. In the fall
of twenty twenty, the teachers' unions went to war with them.
They changed their guidance. Yes remember that, Yes I do.
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that bill from maybe being voted on. Think about it,
Think about how crazy the world we live in is now.
No Democrat voted in favor of women competing against women
and men competing against men in the House. And then
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because they control the Senate, they blocked Tommy Tubberville, Senator
from Alabama, from even being able to bring that bill
up for a vote. Credit to Riley Gains, she has
a story out and a letter out. They wrote It's
Capitol Hill. They got seventy different high level women athletes
to sign onto this, and I feel like a lot
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of women are finally starting to respond. And I don't
know if you saw Martina Nevratilova, legendary tennis player Women's Star,
she went after Leah Thomas over the idea that feminists
should be supporting trans women. And I feel like a
lot of women are finally starting to step up here
(20:31):
Buck and be willing to engage in the fray. But
think about where we are that a major political party
won't even allow a vote to take place on whether
women should be able to compete against women. You see
the number one story on Fox news dot com right
now is a transme and we know it's always a
guy right posing as a woman. Trans female runner got
(20:55):
first place. What a shock among fourteen thousand women at
the London marriage and is now saying, well, if this
upsets people so much, I'll give I'll give the metal back.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
So see this.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
This is the reason that we continue to focus on
this is because it keeps happening. Yes, and the entire
Democrat Party and really the globalist left is pushing this
as much as possible. And what you see is think
about the psychology of this for all the women, the
actual women running in this race. The champion of your
(21:27):
race was a dude, and you're supposed to think that's okay.
You know, if you run a marathon, you're run twenty
six miles or whatever it is. I've never done a marathon,
but it's twenty six miles right, based on Fidipity's ancient Greece.
We'll talk about that another time. So you run a marathon,
the person who comes in first. You get to be like,
oh man, she's she's amazing, Like look what she was
(21:48):
able to accomplish through hard work and perseverance and God
given talent. And now for the fifteen thousand women that marathon,
it's you know, look at Bob, he runs real fast.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
That's reality, folks. That is the truth.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
And by the way, the news articles that are writing
on this are calling it, calling the individual here Glenick
Frank a she. Glenick Frank is not a she.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Correct. That is confusing to people because it is untrue.
Glick Frank is a he.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Big balls on Glinick Frank, Russia in Wisconsin wants to
react to the RSA must be RuSHA.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Did I mispronounce it Russia? I don't know. I'm not sure.
I'm not great at pronunciations. Are you there?
Speaker 6 (22:31):
It's I'm here, It's Rochelle, Rochelle.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well I have I thought Rushia seemed unlikely from our
esteemed call screening staff, But Rochelle Rochelle is much much
easier name to pronounce.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
What have you got for us?
Speaker 6 (22:47):
All right, I have a question for you, if this
is all possible. I'm listening to Kennedy the last couple
of months, and I like him, and I'm a Republican,
and you know, I might vote for him. Is it
all possible that we could get at a Democrat and
a Republican to run for public office to unite this country?
Because we're really not that much different from the old
(23:08):
Democrats because I grew up Democratic and then we'd change
with Reagan. So is it at all possible that maybe
we could get a DeSantis and a Kennedy or we're
someone out there to run and unite this country because
right now we're so divided.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
It's a fascinating call. Here is what's interesting, Buck DeSantis
and RFK Junior would be almost one hundred percent in
agreement on COVID. Now there would be a lot I
can't I can't do this, I can't do this anymore.
I can't do the city just saying they would be
one hundred percent on agreement on code on COVID, Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
On COVID. Here is Here is our FK on other things.
Here's for for example, he's the Natural Resources Defense Counsel,
he's a senior attorney for this is on climate one.
He has a quote our deadly addiction to carbon is
the principal enemy to America's prosperity, leadership, and national security,
and to the values that make us proud to be
a part of this country. YadA, YadA, YadA. He's a
(24:08):
climate loon. That that alone is totally should be totally
disqualifying everybody.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Clay, I'm with you so much about COVID that I'm
willing to overlook if you're right on COVID. You're like
a girl who is a perfect ten. I'm willing to
overlook a lot freaky. Look, I just want to go
on the record that this he's not.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
He's not even remotely one of us in any other
realm other than he'll take on big pharma.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
He's good on COVID.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
He was right during a time when all the other
Democrats were wrong on.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
The First Amendment. I mean, he's right on the First Amendment.
Which is maybe the most interesting part I thought of
our conversation is every other Democrat has basically abandoned the
First Amendment, which is and that's to me the first
thing for me, as someone who was a persuadable voter
in now things, Democrats are crazy. The absence of the
marketplace of ideas is pretty wild. Sharon in Texas, Sharon,
(25:07):
what you got?
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Thank you for having RFK Junior on. I really enjoyed
that and it was refreshing to hear that he addressed
just the issues, not other personalities. And I liked all
his answers. And I'm a full Trump supporter, have been
since the beginning that I'm very impressed with RFK Jr.
And his book. My son got his book and read
(25:31):
it and he really liked it. It really turned him
a key turn for him. And oh oh, by the way,
earlier in the show, you said that Kamala Harris was
supported by the Democrat machine. True, but one little thing.
Willie Brown in California did not support her running. In fact,
(25:52):
he said no, do not run for president or vice president.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
That is really fascinating. I did not thank you, thank
you for the call. Okay. I think the other thing
RFK Junior demonstrates buck is how crazy left wing Democrats
have gone. And that's why the idea of mansion actually
running against my look. I think this is what's wild
to me, and that's why the R and d NC
(26:17):
answer he gave was interesting. If Gavin Newsom ran against
Joe Biden. I think Gavin Newsom would smoke Joe Biden.
I don't think Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I don't know. I don't see that. I don't see that.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Let me tell you why, because I think Clay now
in the primary as it's structured, Remember, the primary as
it is structured, has one reason. I think they changed
it restructured for Biden and the the the primary determining
demographic for the Democrat primary is going to be, uh,
the way they've structured it, the black primary voters and
(26:55):
particularly female black primary Democrat voters. Joe Biden does very
He's very strong with that demographic. He does very well
with them. So that's why I think you're right. If
you could get to the point where all Democrats nationwide
could just kind of have like a you know, like
a plebisciteer and all at once vote on Biden versus Newsome,
I think that, yeah, maybe you'd get a Newsome win.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But Bait.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Remember it's just like it's just like Bernie Sanders Hillary, Right,
They've structured it for Biden's benefit because that's what you know,
the machine has decided for him. So that's your right
that they did that. I actually wonder though, whether the
play would be to just skip South Carolina, which is
(27:38):
now the first primary state, because a lot of people
would skip Iowa, or at least argue, hey, we're New
Hampshire first, whatever else, if you were running against Joe Biden, like,
let's just sketch out like your campaign plan, right, and
you were a Democrat. To me, because they're rigging the
system to such an extent in South Carolina, I think
you just skip South Carolina, give Joe Biden the limited
(28:01):
amount of delegates that he would get there, and immediately
start competing in states where you could win. And I'll
just say this too, I don't know that black voters,
if you look at all the data, I don't know
that black voters actually are going to show up in
very good numbers for Joe Biden because.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
They did the black they did the last time.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Though they did the last time, and that's true, and
they didn't show up for Hillary in twenty sixteen, by
the way, the same way, which was a huge uh,
you know, and twenty they didn't show up in anywhere
near the numbers that they showed up for Obama in twelve.
Certainly they didn't show up for Hillary in sixteen.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Right.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Well, now we're talking about like the all time sort
of high water mark of participation, right versus you know,
Democratic norms. But they Biden. Look, we all know that
South Carolina switched for Biden. That's that's how we did it,
right yea.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
And and you know.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Gavin, here's the problem that Gavin Newsom faces, Clay. I
don't think Gavin Newsom plays well in swing states at all,
even a Democrats. I don't think the Democrat voters in Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania.
I don't think they trustknews him over Joe Biden at
this point. I remember, Joe Biden's the brand, you know
what I mean, He's the.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Percent of Democrats don't want Joe Biden to run. We've
never seen anything like this. I think they say that,
but they're all going to vote for it. Just well,
because there's a cognitive diciise. I think I think you're right,
because he's going to be the option. And this is
one thing where Biden is right. He keeps saying, don't
judge me against the Almighty, judge me against the other option,
or you know something along that line, so they will
(29:33):
show up eventually and push the Biden ticket. But what
I'm saying is I think there are I can probably
name you five or six people that I think if
they actually got in the race. Remember right now, RFK
Junior is getting nineteen percent of the vote. I mean
that is pretty crazy for a guy that just announced
last week and that most people don't really know, because
(29:56):
I think there's actually a lot of Democrats that are
coming around on I do.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Look you look back at Look.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I I get credit where it's due, right, He's great
on COVID. I think you guys had a really interesting inner.
I just couldn't make it for that everybody. By the way,
I wasn't not willing to talk to him or anything. Yes, yes, yes,
but but yeah, we had to schedule that out. I
had a scheduling issue, not a like I won't talk
to rf gays.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
It wasn't that.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
But I think Clay, you can see there are a
lot of people in recent presidential primary cycles who kind
of had a moment, you know, Nu Gangrich had a moment,
Chris Christy had a moment, right, Rudy Giuliani had more
than a moment, he like it was his was the favorite,
you know, right, he was the favorite. So I just
feel like Democrats never we can't hope that, or I
(30:40):
should say we can't count on We can hope, but
we can't count on Democrats making the mistake of dividing
themselves when they have a Democrat in the White House.
I just feel like they will Bernie Sanders this situation.
Remember what that super delegates did with Hillary. They will
just deal with it, you know though. Anyway, that's my sense.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I mean, one of the biggest stories of the twenty
sixteen campaign that nobody talks about is the actual rig
job was against Bernie Sanders by the by the d NC,
And we actually know one hundred percent that happened because
we saw the emails themselves. Because of the Hillary hacking. Look,
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Speaker 1 (32:21):
Welcome back to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Coming up in the next hour, We've got Senator Marco Rubio.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
You know he doesn't do.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
A lot of media, so we're looking forward to talking
to him. You know, he's not not say, like Senator
Lindsey Graham, who I feel like has a little cot
in the corner of the cable news world where he can.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I mean, I would make fun of it, but I
literally have a camera and a television here, so I can.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I can go on at any moment too. So it's true,
I do.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
We do feel like content hobbits sometimes, like we're just
in these little ecosystems making talking video TV everything.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
But anyway, Marco Ruby will be with us. Also, we'll be.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Joined by a very interesting Kentucky governor gubernatorial candidate, Clay
uh which which we're excited about because I think it's
a shock to me. Is like I've actually never been
to Kentucky, which is embarrassing. I need to go, but yeah,
never been, never been.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I got a text the other day Keeenland is the
You ever been to a horse race in Kentucky?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
No, let's I think I'm gonna go to the Keenland
Race next year. I may have been talking to a
mutual friend of ours about going to check out Kentucky
because I just need to go and I hear, I hear,
you know, it's beautiful, I hear great things. Anyway, we
will get to Kelly Kraft.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
She is candidate for the next governor Kentucky. Anyway, it's
just a shock to anybody who's not from Kentucky that
you have a Democrat governor there. Crazy all right, we
have Tim in Michigan wants to weigh in on the
RFK interview. Tim, what's going on?
Speaker 8 (33:49):
Yeah, Hey, good afternoon, guys. So hey, really quick, Robert
F K H. Kennedy or whatever, he was just done.
You know he's deciding to Uh yeah, you go. Okay,
So here's so something that maybe you guys are not
aware of it. I just want your listeners to be
to be aware of this. So the guys are fraud cape,
period point blank. What people probably don't realize is there's
(34:10):
actually a video out there of him, okay, specifically saying
that anybody does not believe in climate change and doesn't
support it, that's against it should be in prison. All
you got to do is go uf the YouTube and.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
To Tim, Tim, I'm just wondering, have you been listening
to the show the last hour. I just read a
quote five minutes ago and called him a climate lunatic.
So you got to, buddy, you gotta stay with us man.
You gotta you gotta keep up with us here. You're
going to look you're right. I mean, he's thank you
for calling in Tim and Michigan. I just point this
stuff out because I think that often we see someone
cross over on one issue and it's worth it, Like
(34:42):
that's what Clay did this interview with him. He's right
on he was right on COVID. He's speaking the truth
about big farm and that's a good thing. I just
don't want people to start I'm hearing people say like, oh,
maybe he should run with Trump. No, that's a horrible idea.
That's a horrible idea that's never gonna happen. It's a
bad idea. He could be a far better choice.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Thing.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Joe Biden right, as almost anyone would, solely based on
the fact that he's right about one thing. Joe Biden's
wrong about Beverly everything.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Yes, well, that's fair, right, But I mean to him
teaming up with a Republican, that's it because he is
he's a climate extremist, folks. I mean, he's one of
these people who really thinks the world's gonna and he
believes that stuff. Ronda in Minnesota, Ronda, what do you
got for.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
Us, hey, Buck, you were talking about at the beginning
of the program, having Carrie checked the you know in
San Francisco if they've got all locked up with flexiglass. Well,
I live in Minnesota and we're way ahead of the
current here. California must be following our lead because the
target in downtown Minneapolis did that a long time ago.
(35:43):
They were looted all the time, and so finally they
just if you want toothpaste, you have to get an
employee down lock the cabinet.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
This is crazy.
Speaker 9 (35:52):
It's not even just like hide things.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Outrageous. Yeah, this, thank you, Ronda. I didn't know that
was happening in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I can't believe that's happening everywhere now. But this is
how bad the shoplifting has gotten. Do you remember when
we were kids.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
You're much younger than me, obviously, but when we were kids,
you would get a video game and you would have
to get like in Toys Rus or whatever the place
was like, you would have to get them to go
and unlock it because video games were expensive and they
were worried about kids stealing them. Everything else, somebody has
to unlock toothpaste now, like my mind is just blown
that this is how bad shoplifting has gotten in many
(36:27):
parts of the country.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Democrat prosecutors and Democrat controlled cities have not only refused
to enforce the laws, they have effectively nullified them by
putting it out there that.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
There's a limit.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
So if you steal less than nine hundred dollars in
San Francisco, you're not even getting arrested.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Folks.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
That's a lot.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
And think of it, all the times people steal, they
don't even get caught. They have legalized stealing. That's what
Democrats do.
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