May 24, 2023 • 36 mins
Trump vs. DeSantis. Red vs. Blue is now Free vs. Totalitarian. Disney brand takes reputation hit after going woke. DeSantis -- who is scheduled to join Clay and Buck at the beginning of the show on Thursday -- uses ad to tease his Twitter presidential race announcement. Musk says he's not endorsing any candidate, just wants a normal, moderate president. C&B take callers, especially disappointed ones weighing in on Disney. Biden: Pelosi rescued the economy during the Great Depression.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back the Hour number two Clay
Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out
with us. I want to dive into a couple of
different stories here in a moment Disney. We talked about
this a little bit earlier, Buck, Disney is getting absolutely
(00:21):
savaged when it comes to its overall brand value. Disney
and I can't believe this is true. According to an
Axio subset of the hundred of the biggest companies out there,
is now the fifth most polarizing brand in America. How
did they get there? We'll talk about that in a minute,
(00:41):
but I wanted to share with you again what we
were talking about at the end of the first hour
and discussing the Trump legal peril. Buck, do you agree
with me that every Republican running for president should pledge
to pardon Donald Trump of all federal charges in the
event that they are elected president in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Absolutely, I don't even I can't even think of, from
a conservative or Republican point of view, a particularly strong
counterpoint to it. I can't see a reason why you wouldn't. Now,
I think it's right on political grounds. I think it's
right on ethical grounds. So what else is there?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, I mean I guess if you were someone running
who hates Trump and believes that he should go to
prison like Liz Cheney, min I was gonna say, then
you're then you're not a republic You're a phony.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So and for any real yeah, like the Lincoln Project
would be opposed to this, right And as a general project,
if the Lincoln Project is opposed to something, and you
have a spine and you have a you know, functional brain,
you should be opposed to whatever they're opposed to. And
it is funny, by the way, how quickly they've pivoted
from Trump is a unique threat to the Republic to oh,
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if Rondosantis gets elected, it's important to recognize that he's
maybe even.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
A bigger threat.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Uh but I I think and correct me if I'm wrong, Buck,
But no, republic I have not seen any Republican candidate
running who has made that pledge publicly yet, have you?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And I mean, you know, look, Ron is not yet
a candidate, so we'll see what he says. I do
remember when there was the possibility there was a discussion
of extradition, and everyone recalls there was a little a
little bit of heat on DeSantis when the charges were announced.
He was saying, hol lo, wait, why did he miss
this opportunity? He did say that he would not in
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any way have the state of Florida cooperate in that extradition. Now,
at the end of the day, legally that's you know,
that's a losing battle because of existing law. But he
was basically saying, we're gonna do everything we can to
you know, gum up the works and not help out
with this, which which I think was the right move
under those circumstances too. So I would not be surprised
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at all if he came forward and said I wouldn't.
I mean, you know, on the right these days, understanding
who the real opposition is and trying to unite our
team on what really matters. There's going to be fighting,
there's going to be sniping about stuff. But I think
people will see that in a very positive light. And
I think from what I see. I don't know, maybe
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maybe I'm just missing this right. This is all perception driven.
Whenever there's anything out of the Trump camp or even
some of the Trump some of the Trump spokespersons that's like, look,
Ron's a great governor, but we just know it has
to be it has to be Trump this go around.
The people that I know who are you know, still deciding,
they're like, you know that that starts to But whenever
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they say, you know, Ron DeSantis is a George funded
sorry George George George Soros funded, you know, globalist deep
state operative who's working with the Builderbergs, I'm like, that's
actually gonna help rond de Santis more that it hurts it.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I think Trump's strongest argument on DeSantis is, hey, I'm
going to be president for four more years. He's doing
a good job in Florida, but he's not ready for
this job yet, So you need me for four years
and then in twenty twenty eight, I might even endorse
Ron DeSantis because I might think he's the best option
for the country, but he's not ready yet.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
No one wants to feel like someone's turned into a
suicide bomber during the primary, you know what I mean,
Like they're just going to take the whole system down
with them, as opposed.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
To the Hillary Did you see Hillary's tweet like when
Trump is basically making the same argument as the NAACP
and Hillary. I think that's a really weak argument for Trump,
right because Hillary is not renowned for her extreme genius
in this respect. But Hillary tweeted, I wanted to make
sure we hit this too, because I saw it and
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I think it ties in with what's happened to Disney.
Hillary tweeted, and I mean, just come on, Hillary, and
then she turned off replies buck so nobody could actually
reply to it. And I would just say this, if
you have an opinion and you turn off everybody being
able to reply to your opinion on Twitter, then that
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is not a very strong sign that your argument is
a good one, if you're worried about what people will
say in response to it. But this is I'm gonna
scroll down. I want to make sure I get her
tweet right. Ron de Santis, Hillary Clinton. Ron DeSantis's ultra
maga Florida isn't safe for people of color, LGBTQ people,
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or even multi billion dollar corporations. And she puts it
in there, and it's a very Clinton move to put
in multi billion dollar corporations. But when your argument is
Florida sucks and it's an awful place, and that's why
Ron de Santis doesn't deserve to be president of the
United States. You're basically parroting lies that are the same
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thing as what the NAACP and Hillary Clinton are saying, right,
and I think that's a really inefficient way to attack
Ron de Santis.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, we all have to be on the same page
about what's good on as a conservative or on the right.
You know, low taxes, low crime relative to what's happened
in the rest of the country, influx of people, and
it's true, but it's true a Tennessee. It's true of Texas.
You know, we we give you. It's funny because you
know an now we're Floridy and then a Tennessee, and
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so we give not as much credit to Texas as
it deserves on us. But Texas was really the original
low tax, pro freedom state that started to get a
lot of people, and that's been going on. I mean, look,
I remember when I went to work for Glenn Beck
at the Blaze. I came out of the CIA to
go work for Glenn and he was New York based,
and then he moved to Dallas. And at the time, it
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was people were like, WHOA, how you're in media? How
do you do that? Glenn sees many steps ahead, and
he saw, I think what was coming with this sorting
of the country into basically free and authoritarian, which is
really what Blue and Red I think has become. And
this is a dynamic that I'm going to be really
interesting to see how it plays out in the primary overall,
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because you've got you, look, you've got a lot of
You've got a bunch of high wattage candidates, Like I
don't think Vivek Ramaswami is going to win the election.
I mean, I could be wrong, but he's an interesting
guy who, you know, throws some good points into the mix,
and I think that and understands the economic and financial
side of things. I don't know what NICKI Haley's really
going to bring to things other than apparently take cheap
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shots at Ron DeSantis on behvad Trump.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But she's there, so there's that.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
But yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how all
these different candidates look at what is happening in the
country and explain what that vision of the future is.
Is it create the same you know, use the federal
government to create as much room for more, you know, Tennessee, Florida, Texas,
policies in another states or is it just try to
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wall off those places and protect them from federal overreach.
I mean, I want to hear what the vision is,
you know, what the national level vision is, because you
really haven't heard that articulated from anyone yet. I mean Trump,
you could say it's more of Trump, but things have
changed since Trump. This is a part of it that
we haven't really had much of as part of the discussion,
right the pandemic and the authoritarianism, and you know, our
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perception of American politics since twenty nineteen, you know, and
into twenty twenty, Trump's last year in office has shifted
and the party has shifted too. So there's a lot
that's going to be worked out. I think as part
of the primary.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
This ties in, by the way, why I think DeSantis's
battle with Disney has resonated very well with the base
of the Republican Party.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I think it's made the corporate is very nervous.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
If you're big business guy, you're not happy with DeSantis
feuding with Disney. And I thought one of the funniest
criticisms that was Ron DeSantis took fifty thousand dollars from
Disney and now he's, you know, taken shots at him.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Isn't that what you want?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Don't Don't you want someone to do what's right irrespective
of who their donors are. Like that actually seems like
a real strong point. And to just so, I remember
speaking to a guy in the world of finance, and
I always thought this was just relieve, not someone I
knew well, but like a hedge, funny guy. And we were
talking about this is when I was living in New
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York City. He said, you know what I you know
what I do. I give to I give to every
district attorney campaign. I don't give to one. I give
the I give to every there's a candidate who has
any shot of winning.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I give to Republicans. I did I give to Democrats.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'd give to, you know, the chief commissar if they're
running for district attorney, because I just want to know.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I want them to know.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
That is how corporations operate for the most part, A
lot of them do. They just give money to the
whomever they think is going to be in a position
to be advantageous to their interests when it matters and
that means given to both sides. Right, look at even
I thought this was interesting about remember Sam Bankman Freed
(09:56):
does that?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Does anyone? Can we just take a moment, how many
of you.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Remember remember a little guy with the curly hair made
like tens of billions of dollars just disappeared and he
was like, Hey, I'm like living in like the top
of a manshit and I have sex parties at like
this little weird guy who was, you know, running this
crypto exchange that the Miami Heat Arena was named for FTX. Right,
and uh, but but remember he was giving money or
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the those guys were giving money to both sides, and
people were like, oh, well, it's not political. Well no,
it's very political the whole point. So with Ron DeSantis, Okay,
Disney wanted to give him money. Great, they're supporting a
candidate that they hope is a good leader. That's what
the money is supposed to be for. It's not supposed
to be we're buying you off. We're just not saying it.
That's for the Biden family. That's a specific thing.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So here's the deal buck this Axios poll, Disney carried
a reputation score in twenty fourteen of eighty three out
of one hundred, most people liked the Disney twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Not that long ago, didn't you.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I grew up loving Disney like Disney products to me
was the most like it was. It was America. It
was Americana meets childhood fantasy and dream.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It was great, right.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I mean that's what we did on our family vacations.
We would go, say, stay at Fort Wilderness campground at
the Disney World resort down in Florida, obsessed like a
huge Disney family. By the way, when it had a
reputation score of eighty three buck not polarizing at all.
Democrats and Republicans. This is just twenty fourteen had roughly
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the same opinion of Disney World. Okay, Disney. This is
where it gets interesting. It is collapsed. The overall brand
value of Disney has gone from eighty three to seventy
point nine in the current number.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Right, And when you.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Go dive into it, it's accelerated its collapse because it's
become very political. Disney's reputation went up a few points
for Democrats by coming out and saying, oh, we're opposed
to don't stay gay. We dislike ants, but it plunged
more among Republicans. So from a pure business perspective, leave
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aside the politics. If your brand is gaining small amounts
with Democrats and it losing massively with Republicans, and we
live in a fifty to fifty society, why in the
world would you do that? And along the way, Disney's
polarization has now skyrocketed. It's the fifth most polarizing brand
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they tested in all of America.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Buck, And you know what, you know why?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
This is about people's kids, right, you know, this is
about people's children. And the implicit promise of Walt Disney
that I grew up with, that you grew up with.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And that a lot of people listening not only did they.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
They expected that their kids or their grandkids would have
the same explicit or implicit promise from Disney.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And it was as follows, we.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Are going to expose your children to beautiful stories of
the good guys triumphing over evil, and it's gonna be creative,
and it's gonna it's gonna expose them to beautiful music
and to creativity, and it's gonna be wondrous. And and
instead we got the head of Disney talking about how
we need more trans, non binary and sexually fluid and
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pan sexual characters. And they've started to actually put that stuff,
not to start it to for recent in recent years
put that stuff in their content. And so the moment
that the you know, the corporate entity that you thought
was was, you.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Know, safe for your kids.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I can't even think of a brand that that feels
like more of a betrayal than what you know, a
really major But people say bud Light, okay, fine, but
that's about adults, right. No one thinks that bud bud
Light wasn't trying to appeal to four year olds and
six year olds. And what we see here with Disney
is something else. And and I think it shows that
parents are way up. And the math here buck, this
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is what's I think is so key. I'm a capitalist.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
If the math added up, and by going woke, Disney
was increasing its brand value and they were increasing the
amount of money they could make, then I would say, hey,
you know what, may I may disagree with it, but
there's a logically sound business purpose to it. All of
the numbers reflect that that isn't true. What you gain
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by going woke, you are more than losing on the
other side of the equation. It's basic math and it's
bad business. And that, to me is the argument that
Republicans can make to go beyond why woke is wrong. Right,
we disagree with it from a cultural perspective, it's also
really bad business, and that to me is what you're
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seeing in these numbers that are coming out.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I totally go.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Let's open lines up. I got a few things here
if you want to talk about either if you feel
like Disney has betrayed your kids, we.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Want to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
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Speaker 3 (16:36):
Speaking truth and having fun. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
We have Luri in Ashville, North Carolina, who has some
thoughts on Disney and her grandkids. Lauri, thanks for calling
right in.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Hey, yeah, yeah, I want to weigh in on situation
because I have seven grandchildren. Can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yeah? We can hear you? Seven grandchildren?
Speaker 7 (17:02):
And I mean, I'm sixty four and when I grew up,
Disney was pure and perfect.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
It was just and then my children and even in
my children's day, you know, but my grandchildren they're betraying
my grandchildren.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
It's disgusting and despicable what Disney has gone.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I'm shocked.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
I grew up in the pure days Mini Mickey Mouse.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
It's just it's shocking to me where they've gone.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
And I wish my kids would protest it, but they
don't seem to even know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well you've seen the change, right And thank you Laurie
for calling in. And you know, the grand I know,
the grandparents have seen more than anyone else. What's happened
to Disney. There's the Disney they grew up with, right, Clay.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I also think and you're gonna see this soon, Buck,
I imagine being a parent of young children is often a frenzy,
and I think a lot of parents are just like,
I'm gonna sit them down in front of Disney Plus,
I'm gonna put on Aladdin, I'm gonna put on Peter
Pan And you watch movies that you know you've seen
in the past, and you're just not paying attention to
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lot of you who want to weigh in on this
Disney polarization data from Axios and your own personal experiences there.
But I want to play this because tonight we are
(19:13):
going to have the official announcement of Ron DeSantis running
for president. He's going to do it with Elon Musk
on Twitter spaces, which I bet is something that a
lot of people are not familiar with. But first, Casey
DeSantis shared this ad yesterday on her Twitter account. Here
is what that ad sounds like as a teaser for
(19:35):
tonight's announcement.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
They call it faith because in the face of darkness,
you can see that brighter future of faith that our
best days lay ahead of us. But is it worth
the fight? Do I have the courage? Is it worth
the sacrifice? America has been worth it every single time?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Pretty good? That accent videos, right, the video is great,
but the accent, the British accent or whatever it was there.
It definitely gives you like an idea that it majesty
and scope is so.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Ravitas, instant gravitas right away when you have any kind
of you know, accent that really sticks with people.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And yeah, yeah, uh okay.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And then I wanted to clear this up because I
said yesterday when this news broke, well, maybe this means
Elon Musk is going to endorse Ron DeSantis. Maybe he
still will. We don't know what's going to happen tonight.
It's six Eastern for this announcement. But Elon said, I'm
not endorsing any candidate. I just want somebody normal. Listen
to cut seven this.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Time trying to endorse any particular candidates. But I am
interested in you x splash Twitter being somewhat of a
public town square. So I think the preference of most
Americans is really to have someone fairly normal in office.
I think someone that is representative of the moderate views
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that I think most of the country holds in reality.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I think he's right. Remember Elon, while he's being painted.
I'm sure you saw the Vanity Fair headline that they said, oh,
this is like Elon Musk is David Duke basically now
he's a white supremacist because he's allowing Ron DeSantis to announce.
But remember, Elon actually voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty. Now,
I bet I would love to ask Elon do you
(21:33):
regret that vote now based on Joe Biden's presidency. But
this idea that Elon Musk is some sort of right
wing idiologue he voted for Biden in twenty twenty, I
think it's worth noting than putting that out there. He
just is fairly moderate. And also I think somewhat saying now,
maybe he's going to vote Republican in twenty four but
I think that's a sign of how crazy Biden's rule
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has been so far.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I think there are a lot of people should When
I say a lot of people, everything relative when you're
talking about a country three hundred and thirty million, But
there are independents, there are swing voters, not a lot
of them. I do think we're a pretty polarized country politically,
and all the data, all the data and all the
voting patterns support that. But of that pool of the persuadable,
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there's definitely a considerable contingent and I would put Elon
likely in this category if we should have him on
the shows, we can ask about this. I think that
they see that the Biden thing was really a bait
and switch, that we were in a the country was
in a really, as we know, in many ways, a
dishonestly overhyped emotional state on a range of issues, COVID,
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the BLM two point zero and all this stuff. And
Biden was supposed to be normalcy, a grandfatherly figure who
wasn't going to push anything crazy, who is going to
be there to calm things down. We were all going
to stop fighting. Oh, Trump was even if you like
Trump's policies, He's too polarizing, even if you like the
Trump economy. Right, that was the pitch, and it was
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all a lie.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
The Biden White House is putting out directives about giving
transgender surgery to twelve year olds, gender mutilation for fourteen
year old kids, acting like, if you have any problem
with that, you're a bad person. Maybe the state should
take your children away from you. That's the moderate Grandpa.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So I think for people like Elon and they're like, Okay,
they lied, they lied, and they're crappy at this job,
meaning the Biden White House, so makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, Buck, And you know, people say, what's your goal
with the show? I'm sure you get asked this every
now and then. I'm trying to persuade people who are
persuadable in my head without kick and everything else, because
I was persuadable, right, Like, I'm a data person. You
show me data, you show me arguments. I've voted Democrat before,
and now I look at the Democrat Party and just
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think they're absolutely insane.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
There are lots of people I think like me. I
think there are tens of millions of people out there
that if they really look at the evidence, they're capable
of being red pilled. And so in my mind, I'm
always talking. You know, you'll hear me. I'm always talking
to those people who are persuadable because I want to win,
and I want to win big, right, And that's really
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what has to happen in twenty twenty four. I think
for things to change, and I'm optimistic when I see
things like what's going on with bud Light, or when
I see that Disney is making choices that objectively are
awful ones. And we got a lot of people who
want to weigh in here. Buck again, I was sharing
the Axios data about the fact that Disney has gained
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some Democrat support, but they've lost way more Republican support.
And so if your job is to appeal to everyone
and you make choices that cause people to like your
company less, that's really bad judgment. And Todd and Ames Iowa,
you want to weigh in on this.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Hell, Hello, gentlemen. It's an incredible honor to talk to
both of you, and I mean that from the bottom
of my heart. I I love listening to both of you.
That yes, sir, real quick, real quick story. You were
talking about persuadable people. Rush used to say something years ago,
and he said it off and on his during his career,
was that if you give me just a week, listen
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to me for just a week, and if you still
hate me, because I did hate Rush for a long time,
and he'd say, if you still don't like me or
still hate me at that time, then don't listen to
me anymore. I took him up on that, and he's
I was a persuadable individual at that time. He turns
me around in my political views and my my political
mind just totally did a flip flop that in one
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week when I listened to Rush, it was this guy.
I connect with this guy and I never ever tried
doing that with him until one day I was had
a week off of vacation during I'm retired now, but
and I listened to him and I said, the man
connects with me. And I think that's that's huge with
a lot of his audience out there. And you you
both of you also you connect with people, and that's
(25:59):
he huge. So hey, a quick point to the to
the Disney issue. Uh uh Iiger has a board of
directors and you guys know a lot more about this
than I do. Is it the is the board filled
with a bunch of woke individuals, because I would think
that those people would be very concerned, as they should
be about the bottom line at Disney, and they they're
(26:22):
the ones that control who who so put in there
at their CEO.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
So I've I've seen this and dealt with this a
little bit. Thank you so much, Todd for Colin from
as I have a very very kind call, and thank
you for the insights so true about about what Rush.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I've had.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
So many people said that Rush brought them to conservatism,
which I don't think there could really be a higher
honor that are a radio host doing what we do
can achieve than to help someone write their philosophy and
help bring them to the understanding of the world where
they're rooted in fact, reality and what is true and
(26:57):
and anyway, I think that's that's a you said, you know,
you're goal is to persuade people over that is certainly
a mission that we have here. I just say, save
America from the commis.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
But you know, that's a little similar, similar, but a
little different.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
But I would I would point out on the on
the board of directors issues, a lot of people bring
this up. A lot of Board of directors' positions are
sinecures for people. They just you know, they can get
paid very well and they sit there and they do
they don't want to rock the boat. They don't want
to get into anything, and they certainly don't want to
be targeted as out of the mainstream. So I always
(27:33):
say this, the woke are an invasive species. They do
not seek to coexist in the ecosystem. The woke are
the big ass boa constrictors that are eating everything down
here in the Everglades in Florida. So you have to
get rid of them in the sense that you can't
allow them on your board. You can't allow them to
take over control of entities because they will only replicate
(27:54):
more wokeness. They will only push for more of that.
So I think that's that's why you don't see the
board stepping in. And there are also woke lunatics. I mean,
so the people who are afraid of the other woke lunatics.
And there are woke lunatics on the boards of these
big companies.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
What I see, Buck, and I think you're right one
hundred percent about that too, is this, First of all,
there are some true believers, all right, so put them
to the side. There probably are true believers on the
Disney board. I also think there's a lot of self
preservationists in business.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
And here's what I mean by that.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
There's a lie and there's a lot of people who
are self preservationists inside of businesses as well that are
not high echelon. You can do what's best for you individually,
and it can be what's worse for the company. And
I think there are a lot of CEOs that say, well,
if I send out the emails talking about how much
I love BLM. And if I claim, as June gets
(28:48):
here in Pride Month, is here that I think it's
great that Target is selling bathing suits that allow women's
bathing suits to have places for men to tuck their
penises because they think that they are women. I'm never
gonna lose my job over that. And if you don't,
Bob Chapik just got fired. That's how Bob Eiger came
(29:11):
back in. And one reason Bob Chapick got fired from
Disney was because people said he didn't respond aggressively enough
to the don't say gay bill. Now, I actually think
Bob Chapick was right, But individual preservation often means you're
destroying what's best for the company. And there are a
lot of CEOs who say, hey, i'm making twenty million
(29:32):
a year, I'll send out that BLM message. It might
be the worst decision for the company, it might be
alienating some of my base, but my board's gonna pay
me twenty million dollars or more a year until at
some point the business gets so bad. Buck, I don't
know if I said this off air to you or
on air. Look at Disney's chart Disney's stock is lower
(29:54):
today than it was nine years ago. If you bought
Disney stock back in two twenty fourteen, it's the S
and P's up over double. You've actually lost money because
the stock price is down.
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Speaker 2 (31:32):
Welcome back to Clay and Buck. We've got a lot
of lines lit up here. We want to take some
more of your calls, and we'll also return to the
latest here. In this world of politics, we live in
the budget, the debt ceiling, and the Biden administration right now?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
How are they going to react to all of this?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
But first, can I just say, you know, Clay, I
think we haven't really in fair due here to Nancy Pelosi,
because not only is she the former Speaker of the House,
and not only is she apparently the best stock picker
(32:14):
of all time. I mean Nancy Pelosi's hedge fund skills.
Personal hedge fund skills are uncanny. I mean, mathematically seem
almost impossible. It's almost like she must have some sort
of edge because she's so brilliant. I guess, But did
you know she's also an amateur historian, Clay, Because I'm sorry,
(32:36):
I actually just realized this. I mixed up the names
of this one. Biden is an amateur historian, because here
he is to tell everybody that Nancy Pelosi great economic mind.
Biden amateur historian, Biden saying that Pelosi helped to rescue
the economy during the Great Depression.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Play twenty three with Nancy.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Leading away, you never had to worry about the bill
had passed.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
She said she had the votes. She had the votes.
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Every time.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
She she had to vote so many life changing piece of.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Legislation, Selle prescy, the economy, the Great Depression.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I mean, Clay, Nancy Pelosi is an older woman, but
I'm pretty sure she didn't rescue the economy during the
Great Depression as Speaker of the House. Because if so,
whatever face cream she's using, we need some, Yeah, no doubt.
And I saw her invading suit, I mean, Martha Stewart.
They should have put Nancy Pelosi on the front cover
of the of the Sports Illustrated Look here, and I
(33:38):
think there's a lawsuit involving Tucker having that picture up right,
which is actually really funny because all of this is
so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Biden can't do the job right. And the other thing
I would encourage Elon Musk to say tonight when he
has his interview with Ron DeSantis, I think he needs
to say, Hey, I would love to have Joe Biden
on with me for an hour two And I've said
this on this radio show. The White House reached out
and they said, hey, Joe Biden wants to come on
(34:08):
Clay and Buck show, we'd welcome him because I think
if he did an hour on our show, which Trump
has done several times, if Joe Biden did an hour
on our show, the twenty fifth Amendment would be trending
by the time he held hung up the phone. Because
I don't think Buck and I bet you would agree.
I don't think he could sit and talk to us
(34:30):
and answer questions for an hour without everyone out there saying,
oh my goodness, this guy cannot remotely be close to
being president of the United States right now. I think
one hour with us would end any ability for him
to continue to argue why the job, which is why
they weren't do it.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, there is no chance that that is ever going
to happen, as we all know.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
But hey, the inviters out there, Charlie and utahs, got
some thoughts on the Board of Director's point.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Hey guys, I'm just having a little bit of trouble
erasing the picture of Nancy Pelosi in a bathing suit
out of my mind right now. But that said, you
know that you were talking a bit ago about why
the board members that are acting so woke on Disney,
and I think the key thing is is that on
these big on these big companies like this, you get
the board members are typically CEOs of their own big companies. Yeah,
(35:25):
and if they if they are, if they're not standing
up for the woke, for the woke side of things,
they're going to be suffering the consequences back in their
own companies. So that's probably why you're not seeing the
board taking a more aggressive stand.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
That's a great point. It's a great point too. Very
rarely are these boards actually made up of independent members.
They typically are rubber stamps for the CEO, and they're
often high high profile executives at other big companies. Again,
they're doing what's best for their individual remuneration the money
that they're making, as opposed to what's in the company's
best interest.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Greg and fort Myers want to get you in before
the break here. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Greg?
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Hey, claim buck on time listener and Russian Now.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
You guys, thank you, Hey.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
I just want to touch babes. I was born in
the fifty grew up Disney. You know, something tonight with
the parents the whole nine yards. Daughters are born in
the first part of the early eighties, put them to
Disney every years for a ton of money. Old his
daughter worked for Disney, you know, in the college program
for a year, brought this. Now it takes my grandson.
(36:32):
They don't bother anymore either. I wouldn't step putting the
property now.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, I have a lot, Greg, thank you for calling
in a lot. A lot of people feel that way.
They feel like Disney was Disney was something they could
trust their family with, bottom line, and now they can't,
and they're making decisions based on that. We'll get into
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back the Hour number two Clay
Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out
with us. I want to dive into a couple of
different stories here in a moment Disney. We talked about
this a little bit earlier, Buck, Disney is getting absolutely
(00:21):
savaged when it comes to its overall brand value. Disney
and I can't believe this is true. According to an
Axio subset of the hundred of the biggest companies out there,
is now the fifth most polarizing brand in America. How
did they get there? We'll talk about that in a minute,
(00:41):
but I wanted to share with you again what we
were talking about at the end of the first hour
and discussing the Trump legal peril. Buck, do you agree
with me that every Republican running for president should pledge
to pardon Donald Trump of all federal charges in the
event that they are elected president in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Absolutely, I don't even I can't even think of, from
a conservative or Republican point of view, a particularly strong
counterpoint to it. I can't see a reason why you wouldn't. Now,
I think it's right on political grounds. I think it's
right on ethical grounds. So what else is there?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, I mean I guess if you were someone running
who hates Trump and believes that he should go to
prison like Liz Cheney, min I was gonna say, then
you're then you're not a republic You're a phony.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So and for any real yeah, like the Lincoln Project
would be opposed to this, right And as a general project,
if the Lincoln Project is opposed to something, and you
have a spine and you have a you know, functional brain,
you should be opposed to whatever they're opposed to. And
it is funny, by the way, how quickly they've pivoted
from Trump is a unique threat to the Republic to oh,
(01:52):
if Rondosantis gets elected, it's important to recognize that he's
maybe even.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
A bigger threat.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Uh but I I think and correct me if I'm wrong, Buck,
But no, republic I have not seen any Republican candidate
running who has made that pledge publicly yet, have you?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And I mean, you know, look, Ron is not yet
a candidate, so we'll see what he says. I do
remember when there was the possibility there was a discussion
of extradition, and everyone recalls there was a little a
little bit of heat on DeSantis when the charges were announced.
He was saying, hol lo, wait, why did he miss
this opportunity? He did say that he would not in
(02:31):
any way have the state of Florida cooperate in that extradition. Now,
at the end of the day, legally that's you know,
that's a losing battle because of existing law. But he
was basically saying, we're gonna do everything we can to
you know, gum up the works and not help out
with this, which which I think was the right move
under those circumstances too. So I would not be surprised
(02:52):
at all if he came forward and said I wouldn't.
I mean, you know, on the right these days, understanding
who the real opposition is and trying to unite our
team on what really matters. There's going to be fighting,
there's going to be sniping about stuff. But I think
people will see that in a very positive light. And
I think from what I see. I don't know, maybe
(03:13):
maybe I'm just missing this right. This is all perception driven.
Whenever there's anything out of the Trump camp or even
some of the Trump some of the Trump spokespersons that's like, look,
Ron's a great governor, but we just know it has
to be it has to be Trump this go around.
The people that I know who are you know, still deciding,
they're like, you know that that starts to But whenever
(03:34):
they say, you know, Ron DeSantis is a George funded
sorry George George George Soros funded, you know, globalist deep
state operative who's working with the Builderbergs, I'm like, that's
actually gonna help rond de Santis more that it hurts it.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I think Trump's strongest argument on DeSantis is, hey, I'm
going to be president for four more years. He's doing
a good job in Florida, but he's not ready for
this job yet, So you need me for four years
and then in twenty twenty eight, I might even endorse
Ron DeSantis because I might think he's the best option
for the country, but he's not ready yet.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
No one wants to feel like someone's turned into a
suicide bomber during the primary, you know what I mean,
Like they're just going to take the whole system down
with them, as opposed.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
To the Hillary Did you see Hillary's tweet like when
Trump is basically making the same argument as the NAACP
and Hillary. I think that's a really weak argument for Trump,
right because Hillary is not renowned for her extreme genius
in this respect. But Hillary tweeted, I wanted to make
sure we hit this too, because I saw it and
(04:40):
I think it ties in with what's happened to Disney.
Hillary tweeted, and I mean, just come on, Hillary, and
then she turned off replies buck so nobody could actually
reply to it. And I would just say this, if
you have an opinion and you turn off everybody being
able to reply to your opinion on Twitter, then that
(05:01):
is not a very strong sign that your argument is
a good one, if you're worried about what people will
say in response to it. But this is I'm gonna
scroll down. I want to make sure I get her
tweet right. Ron de Santis, Hillary Clinton. Ron DeSantis's ultra
maga Florida isn't safe for people of color, LGBTQ people,
(05:27):
or even multi billion dollar corporations. And she puts it
in there, and it's a very Clinton move to put
in multi billion dollar corporations. But when your argument is
Florida sucks and it's an awful place, and that's why
Ron de Santis doesn't deserve to be president of the
United States. You're basically parroting lies that are the same
(05:47):
thing as what the NAACP and Hillary Clinton are saying, right,
and I think that's a really inefficient way to attack
Ron de Santis.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, we all have to be on the same page
about what's good on as a conservative or on the right.
You know, low taxes, low crime relative to what's happened
in the rest of the country, influx of people, and
it's true, but it's true a Tennessee. It's true of Texas.
You know, we we give you. It's funny because you
know an now we're Floridy and then a Tennessee, and
(06:16):
so we give not as much credit to Texas as
it deserves on us. But Texas was really the original
low tax, pro freedom state that started to get a
lot of people, and that's been going on. I mean, look,
I remember when I went to work for Glenn Beck
at the Blaze. I came out of the CIA to
go work for Glenn and he was New York based,
and then he moved to Dallas. And at the time, it
(06:37):
was people were like, WHOA, how you're in media? How
do you do that? Glenn sees many steps ahead, and
he saw, I think what was coming with this sorting
of the country into basically free and authoritarian, which is
really what Blue and Red I think has become. And
this is a dynamic that I'm going to be really
interesting to see how it plays out in the primary overall,
(06:58):
because you've got you, look, you've got a lot of
You've got a bunch of high wattage candidates, Like I
don't think Vivek Ramaswami is going to win the election.
I mean, I could be wrong, but he's an interesting
guy who, you know, throws some good points into the mix,
and I think that and understands the economic and financial
side of things. I don't know what NICKI Haley's really
going to bring to things other than apparently take cheap
(07:18):
shots at Ron DeSantis on behvad Trump.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But she's there, so there's that.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
But yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how all
these different candidates look at what is happening in the
country and explain what that vision of the future is.
Is it create the same you know, use the federal
government to create as much room for more, you know, Tennessee, Florida, Texas,
policies in another states or is it just try to
(07:47):
wall off those places and protect them from federal overreach.
I mean, I want to hear what the vision is,
you know, what the national level vision is, because you
really haven't heard that articulated from anyone yet. I mean Trump,
you could say it's more of Trump, but things have
changed since Trump. This is a part of it that
we haven't really had much of as part of the discussion,
right the pandemic and the authoritarianism, and you know, our
(08:11):
perception of American politics since twenty nineteen, you know, and
into twenty twenty, Trump's last year in office has shifted
and the party has shifted too. So there's a lot
that's going to be worked out. I think as part
of the primary.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
This ties in, by the way, why I think DeSantis's
battle with Disney has resonated very well with the base
of the Republican Party.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I think it's made the corporate is very nervous.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
If you're big business guy, you're not happy with DeSantis
feuding with Disney. And I thought one of the funniest
criticisms that was Ron DeSantis took fifty thousand dollars from
Disney and now he's, you know, taken shots at him.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Isn't that what you want?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Don't Don't you want someone to do what's right irrespective
of who their donors are. Like that actually seems like
a real strong point. And to just so, I remember
speaking to a guy in the world of finance, and
I always thought this was just relieve, not someone I
knew well, but like a hedge, funny guy. And we were
talking about this is when I was living in New
(09:14):
York City. He said, you know what I you know
what I do. I give to I give to every
district attorney campaign. I don't give to one. I give
the I give to every there's a candidate who has
any shot of winning.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I give to Republicans. I did I give to Democrats.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'd give to, you know, the chief commissar if they're
running for district attorney, because I just want to know.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I want them to know.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
That is how corporations operate for the most part, A
lot of them do. They just give money to the
whomever they think is going to be in a position
to be advantageous to their interests when it matters and
that means given to both sides. Right, look at even
I thought this was interesting about remember Sam Bankman Freed
(09:56):
does that?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Does anyone? Can we just take a moment, how many
of you.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Remember remember a little guy with the curly hair made
like tens of billions of dollars just disappeared and he
was like, Hey, I'm like living in like the top
of a manshit and I have sex parties at like
this little weird guy who was, you know, running this
crypto exchange that the Miami Heat Arena was named for FTX. Right,
and uh, but but remember he was giving money or
(10:20):
the those guys were giving money to both sides, and
people were like, oh, well, it's not political. Well no,
it's very political the whole point. So with Ron DeSantis, Okay,
Disney wanted to give him money. Great, they're supporting a
candidate that they hope is a good leader. That's what
the money is supposed to be for. It's not supposed
to be we're buying you off. We're just not saying it.
That's for the Biden family. That's a specific thing.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So here's the deal buck this Axios poll, Disney carried
a reputation score in twenty fourteen of eighty three out
of one hundred, most people liked the Disney twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Not that long ago, didn't you.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I grew up loving Disney like Disney products to me
was the most like it was. It was America. It
was Americana meets childhood fantasy and dream.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It was great, right.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I mean that's what we did on our family vacations.
We would go, say, stay at Fort Wilderness campground at
the Disney World resort down in Florida, obsessed like a
huge Disney family. By the way, when it had a
reputation score of eighty three buck not polarizing at all.
Democrats and Republicans. This is just twenty fourteen had roughly
(11:28):
the same opinion of Disney World. Okay, Disney. This is
where it gets interesting. It is collapsed. The overall brand
value of Disney has gone from eighty three to seventy
point nine in the current number.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Right, And when you.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Go dive into it, it's accelerated its collapse because it's
become very political. Disney's reputation went up a few points
for Democrats by coming out and saying, oh, we're opposed
to don't stay gay. We dislike ants, but it plunged
more among Republicans. So from a pure business perspective, leave
(12:08):
aside the politics. If your brand is gaining small amounts
with Democrats and it losing massively with Republicans, and we
live in a fifty to fifty society, why in the
world would you do that? And along the way, Disney's
polarization has now skyrocketed. It's the fifth most polarizing brand
(12:32):
they tested in all of America.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Buck, And you know what, you know why?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
This is about people's kids, right, you know, this is
about people's children. And the implicit promise of Walt Disney
that I grew up with, that you grew up with.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And that a lot of people listening not only did they.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
They expected that their kids or their grandkids would have
the same explicit or implicit promise from Disney.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And it was as follows, we.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Are going to expose your children to beautiful stories of
the good guys triumphing over evil, and it's gonna be creative,
and it's gonna it's gonna expose them to beautiful music
and to creativity, and it's gonna be wondrous. And and
instead we got the head of Disney talking about how
we need more trans, non binary and sexually fluid and
(13:22):
pan sexual characters. And they've started to actually put that stuff,
not to start it to for recent in recent years
put that stuff in their content. And so the moment
that the you know, the corporate entity that you thought
was was, you.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Know, safe for your kids.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I can't even think of a brand that that feels
like more of a betrayal than what you know, a
really major But people say bud Light, okay, fine, but
that's about adults, right. No one thinks that bud bud
Light wasn't trying to appeal to four year olds and
six year olds. And what we see here with Disney
is something else. And and I think it shows that
parents are way up. And the math here buck, this
(14:02):
is what's I think is so key. I'm a capitalist.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
If the math added up, and by going woke, Disney
was increasing its brand value and they were increasing the
amount of money they could make, then I would say, hey,
you know what, may I may disagree with it, but
there's a logically sound business purpose to it. All of
the numbers reflect that that isn't true. What you gain
(14:28):
by going woke, you are more than losing on the
other side of the equation. It's basic math and it's
bad business. And that, to me is the argument that
Republicans can make to go beyond why woke is wrong. Right,
we disagree with it from a cultural perspective, it's also
really bad business, and that to me is what you're
(14:51):
seeing in these numbers that are coming out.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I totally go.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Let's open lines up. I got a few things here
if you want to talk about either if you feel
like Disney has betrayed your kids, we.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Want to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But also if you got we got on a lot
of people waiting, so we'll try to get to some
of your thoughts on where we stand here with the
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Speaking truth and having fun. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
We have Luri in Ashville, North Carolina, who has some
thoughts on Disney and her grandkids. Lauri, thanks for calling
right in.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Hey, yeah, yeah, I want to weigh in on situation
because I have seven grandchildren. Can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yeah? We can hear you? Seven grandchildren?
Speaker 7 (17:02):
And I mean, I'm sixty four and when I grew up,
Disney was pure and perfect.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
It was just and then my children and even in
my children's day, you know, but my grandchildren they're betraying
my grandchildren.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
It's disgusting and despicable what Disney has gone.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I'm shocked.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
I grew up in the pure days Mini Mickey Mouse.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
It's just it's shocking to me where they've gone.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
And I wish my kids would protest it, but they
don't seem to even know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well you've seen the change, right And thank you Laurie
for calling in. And you know, the grand I know,
the grandparents have seen more than anyone else. What's happened
to Disney. There's the Disney they grew up with, right, Clay.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I also think and you're gonna see this soon, Buck,
I imagine being a parent of young children is often a frenzy,
and I think a lot of parents are just like,
I'm gonna sit them down in front of Disney Plus,
I'm gonna put on Aladdin, I'm gonna put on Peter
Pan And you watch movies that you know you've seen
in the past, and you're just not paying attention to
the direction things are going, because every bit of your
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lot of you who want to weigh in on this
Disney polarization data from Axios and your own personal experiences there.
But I want to play this because tonight we are
(19:13):
going to have the official announcement of Ron DeSantis running
for president. He's going to do it with Elon Musk
on Twitter spaces, which I bet is something that a
lot of people are not familiar with. But first, Casey
DeSantis shared this ad yesterday on her Twitter account. Here
is what that ad sounds like as a teaser for
(19:35):
tonight's announcement.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
They call it faith because in the face of darkness,
you can see that brighter future of faith that our
best days lay ahead of us. But is it worth
the fight? Do I have the courage? Is it worth
the sacrifice? America has been worth it every single time?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Pretty good? That accent videos, right, the video is great,
but the accent, the British accent or whatever it was there.
It definitely gives you like an idea that it majesty
and scope is so.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Ravitas, instant gravitas right away when you have any kind
of you know, accent that really sticks with people.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And yeah, yeah, uh okay.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And then I wanted to clear this up because I
said yesterday when this news broke, well, maybe this means
Elon Musk is going to endorse Ron DeSantis. Maybe he
still will. We don't know what's going to happen tonight.
It's six Eastern for this announcement. But Elon said, I'm
not endorsing any candidate. I just want somebody normal. Listen
to cut seven this.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Time trying to endorse any particular candidates. But I am
interested in you x splash Twitter being somewhat of a
public town square. So I think the preference of most
Americans is really to have someone fairly normal in office.
I think someone that is representative of the moderate views
(21:08):
that I think most of the country holds in reality.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I think he's right. Remember Elon, while he's being painted.
I'm sure you saw the Vanity Fair headline that they said, oh,
this is like Elon Musk is David Duke basically now
he's a white supremacist because he's allowing Ron DeSantis to announce.
But remember, Elon actually voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty. Now,
I bet I would love to ask Elon do you
(21:33):
regret that vote now based on Joe Biden's presidency. But
this idea that Elon Musk is some sort of right
wing idiologue he voted for Biden in twenty twenty, I
think it's worth noting than putting that out there. He
just is fairly moderate. And also I think somewhat saying now,
maybe he's going to vote Republican in twenty four but
I think that's a sign of how crazy Biden's rule
(21:53):
has been so far.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I think there are a lot of people should When
I say a lot of people, everything relative when you're
talking about a country three hundred and thirty million, But
there are independents, there are swing voters, not a lot
of them. I do think we're a pretty polarized country politically,
and all the data, all the data and all the
voting patterns support that. But of that pool of the persuadable,
(22:19):
there's definitely a considerable contingent and I would put Elon
likely in this category if we should have him on
the shows, we can ask about this. I think that
they see that the Biden thing was really a bait
and switch, that we were in a the country was
in a really, as we know, in many ways, a
dishonestly overhyped emotional state on a range of issues, COVID,
(22:44):
the BLM two point zero and all this stuff. And
Biden was supposed to be normalcy, a grandfatherly figure who
wasn't going to push anything crazy, who is going to
be there to calm things down. We were all going
to stop fighting. Oh, Trump was even if you like
Trump's policies, He's too polarizing, even if you like the
Trump economy. Right, that was the pitch, and it was
(23:07):
all a lie.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
The Biden White House is putting out directives about giving
transgender surgery to twelve year olds, gender mutilation for fourteen
year old kids, acting like, if you have any problem
with that, you're a bad person. Maybe the state should
take your children away from you. That's the moderate Grandpa.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So I think for people like Elon and they're like, Okay,
they lied, they lied, and they're crappy at this job,
meaning the Biden White House, so makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, Buck, And you know, people say, what's your goal
with the show? I'm sure you get asked this every
now and then. I'm trying to persuade people who are
persuadable in my head without kick and everything else, because
I was persuadable, right, Like, I'm a data person. You
show me data, you show me arguments. I've voted Democrat before,
and now I look at the Democrat Party and just
(23:53):
think they're absolutely insane.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
There are lots of people I think like me. I
think there are tens of millions of people out there
that if they really look at the evidence, they're capable
of being red pilled. And so in my mind, I'm
always talking. You know, you'll hear me. I'm always talking
to those people who are persuadable because I want to win,
and I want to win big, right, And that's really
(24:17):
what has to happen in twenty twenty four. I think
for things to change, and I'm optimistic when I see
things like what's going on with bud Light, or when
I see that Disney is making choices that objectively are
awful ones. And we got a lot of people who
want to weigh in here. Buck again, I was sharing
the Axios data about the fact that Disney has gained
(24:37):
some Democrat support, but they've lost way more Republican support.
And so if your job is to appeal to everyone
and you make choices that cause people to like your
company less, that's really bad judgment. And Todd and Ames Iowa,
you want to weigh in on this.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Hell, Hello, gentlemen. It's an incredible honor to talk to
both of you, and I mean that from the bottom
of my heart. I I love listening to both of you.
That yes, sir, real quick, real quick story. You were
talking about persuadable people. Rush used to say something years ago,
and he said it off and on his during his career,
was that if you give me just a week, listen
(25:17):
to me for just a week, and if you still
hate me, because I did hate Rush for a long time,
and he'd say, if you still don't like me or
still hate me at that time, then don't listen to
me anymore. I took him up on that, and he's
I was a persuadable individual at that time. He turns
me around in my political views and my my political
mind just totally did a flip flop that in one
(25:38):
week when I listened to Rush, it was this guy.
I connect with this guy and I never ever tried
doing that with him until one day I was had
a week off of vacation during I'm retired now, but
and I listened to him and I said, the man
connects with me. And I think that's that's huge with
a lot of his audience out there. And you you
both of you also you connect with people, and that's
(25:59):
he huge. So hey, a quick point to the to
the Disney issue. Uh uh Iiger has a board of
directors and you guys know a lot more about this
than I do. Is it the is the board filled
with a bunch of woke individuals, because I would think
that those people would be very concerned, as they should
be about the bottom line at Disney, and they they're
(26:22):
the ones that control who who so put in there
at their CEO.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
So I've I've seen this and dealt with this a
little bit. Thank you so much, Todd for Colin from
as I have a very very kind call, and thank
you for the insights so true about about what Rush.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I've had.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
So many people said that Rush brought them to conservatism,
which I don't think there could really be a higher
honor that are a radio host doing what we do
can achieve than to help someone write their philosophy and
help bring them to the understanding of the world where
they're rooted in fact, reality and what is true and
(26:57):
and anyway, I think that's that's a you said, you know,
you're goal is to persuade people over that is certainly
a mission that we have here. I just say, save
America from the commis.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
But you know, that's a little similar, similar, but a
little different.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
But I would I would point out on the on
the board of directors issues, a lot of people bring
this up. A lot of Board of directors' positions are
sinecures for people. They just you know, they can get
paid very well and they sit there and they do
they don't want to rock the boat. They don't want
to get into anything, and they certainly don't want to
be targeted as out of the mainstream. So I always
(27:33):
say this, the woke are an invasive species. They do
not seek to coexist in the ecosystem. The woke are
the big ass boa constrictors that are eating everything down
here in the Everglades in Florida. So you have to
get rid of them in the sense that you can't
allow them on your board. You can't allow them to
take over control of entities because they will only replicate
(27:54):
more wokeness. They will only push for more of that.
So I think that's that's why you don't see the
board stepping in. And there are also woke lunatics. I mean,
so the people who are afraid of the other woke lunatics.
And there are woke lunatics on the boards of these
big companies.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
What I see, Buck, and I think you're right one
hundred percent about that too, is this, First of all,
there are some true believers, all right, so put them
to the side. There probably are true believers on the
Disney board. I also think there's a lot of self
preservationists in business.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
And here's what I mean by that.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
There's a lie and there's a lot of people who
are self preservationists inside of businesses as well that are
not high echelon. You can do what's best for you individually,
and it can be what's worse for the company. And
I think there are a lot of CEOs that say, well,
if I send out the emails talking about how much
I love BLM. And if I claim, as June gets
(28:48):
here in Pride Month, is here that I think it's
great that Target is selling bathing suits that allow women's
bathing suits to have places for men to tuck their
penises because they think that they are women. I'm never
gonna lose my job over that. And if you don't,
Bob Chapik just got fired. That's how Bob Eiger came
(29:11):
back in. And one reason Bob Chapick got fired from
Disney was because people said he didn't respond aggressively enough
to the don't say gay bill. Now, I actually think
Bob Chapick was right, But individual preservation often means you're
destroying what's best for the company. And there are a
lot of CEOs who say, hey, i'm making twenty million
(29:32):
a year, I'll send out that BLM message. It might
be the worst decision for the company, it might be
alienating some of my base, but my board's gonna pay
me twenty million dollars or more a year until at
some point the business gets so bad. Buck, I don't
know if I said this off air to you or
on air. Look at Disney's chart Disney's stock is lower
(29:54):
today than it was nine years ago. If you bought
Disney stock back in two twenty fourteen, it's the S
and P's up over double. You've actually lost money because
the stock price is down.
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Speaker 2 (31:32):
Welcome back to Clay and Buck. We've got a lot
of lines lit up here. We want to take some
more of your calls, and we'll also return to the
latest here. In this world of politics, we live in
the budget, the debt ceiling, and the Biden administration right now?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
How are they going to react to all of this?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
But first, can I just say, you know, Clay, I
think we haven't really in fair due here to Nancy Pelosi,
because not only is she the former Speaker of the House,
and not only is she apparently the best stock picker
(32:14):
of all time. I mean Nancy Pelosi's hedge fund skills.
Personal hedge fund skills are uncanny. I mean, mathematically seem
almost impossible. It's almost like she must have some sort
of edge because she's so brilliant. I guess, But did
you know she's also an amateur historian, Clay, Because I'm sorry,
(32:36):
I actually just realized this. I mixed up the names
of this one. Biden is an amateur historian, because here
he is to tell everybody that Nancy Pelosi great economic mind.
Biden amateur historian, Biden saying that Pelosi helped to rescue
the economy during the Great Depression.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Play twenty three with Nancy.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Leading away, you never had to worry about the bill
had passed.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
She said she had the votes. She had the votes.
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Every time.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
She she had to vote so many life changing piece of.
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Legislation, Selle prescy, the economy, the Great Depression.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I mean, Clay, Nancy Pelosi is an older woman, but
I'm pretty sure she didn't rescue the economy during the
Great Depression as Speaker of the House. Because if so,
whatever face cream she's using, we need some, Yeah, no doubt.
And I saw her invading suit, I mean, Martha Stewart.
They should have put Nancy Pelosi on the front cover
of the of the Sports Illustrated Look here, and I
(33:38):
think there's a lawsuit involving Tucker having that picture up right,
which is actually really funny because all of this is
so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Biden can't do the job right. And the other thing
I would encourage Elon Musk to say tonight when he
has his interview with Ron DeSantis, I think he needs
to say, Hey, I would love to have Joe Biden
on with me for an hour two And I've said
this on this radio show. The White House reached out
and they said, hey, Joe Biden wants to come on
(34:08):
Clay and Buck show, we'd welcome him because I think
if he did an hour on our show, which Trump
has done several times, if Joe Biden did an hour
on our show, the twenty fifth Amendment would be trending
by the time he held hung up the phone. Because
I don't think Buck and I bet you would agree.
I don't think he could sit and talk to us
(34:30):
and answer questions for an hour without everyone out there saying,
oh my goodness, this guy cannot remotely be close to
being president of the United States right now. I think
one hour with us would end any ability for him
to continue to argue why the job, which is why
they weren't do it.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, there is no chance that that is ever going
to happen, as we all know.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
But hey, the inviters out there, Charlie and utahs, got
some thoughts on the Board of Director's point.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Hey guys, I'm just having a little bit of trouble
erasing the picture of Nancy Pelosi in a bathing suit
out of my mind right now. But that said, you
know that you were talking a bit ago about why
the board members that are acting so woke on Disney,
and I think the key thing is is that on
these big on these big companies like this, you get
the board members are typically CEOs of their own big companies. Yeah,
(35:25):
and if they if they are, if they're not standing
up for the woke, for the woke side of things,
they're going to be suffering the consequences back in their
own companies. So that's probably why you're not seeing the
board taking a more aggressive stand.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
That's a great point. It's a great point too. Very
rarely are these boards actually made up of independent members.
They typically are rubber stamps for the CEO, and they're
often high high profile executives at other big companies. Again,
they're doing what's best for their individual remuneration the money
that they're making, as opposed to what's in the company's
best interest.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Greg and fort Myers want to get you in before
the break here. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Greg?
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Hey, claim buck on time listener and Russian Now.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
You guys, thank you, Hey.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
I just want to touch babes. I was born in
the fifty grew up Disney. You know, something tonight with
the parents the whole nine yards. Daughters are born in
the first part of the early eighties, put them to
Disney every years for a ton of money. Old his
daughter worked for Disney, you know, in the college program
for a year, brought this. Now it takes my grandson.
(36:32):
They don't bother anymore either. I wouldn't step putting the
property now.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, I have a lot, Greg, thank you for calling
in a lot. A lot of people feel that way.
They feel like Disney was Disney was something they could
trust their family with, bottom line, and now they can't,
and they're making decisions based on that. We'll get into
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