May 31, 2023 • 36 mins
Pence to launch White House run. Trump blasts Kayleigh McEnany. Callers weigh in on Trump's attack on McEnany. Fired-up Trump supporter calls in, spars with Clay & Buck. More callers on Trump's attacks on fellow Republicans.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We've talked about Chris
Christy entering the race. Buck, as we start off our
number two here, headline in the Messenger, which is a
new media startup, former Vice President Mike Pence to launch
campaign for White House within two weeks Pence, this is
(00:29):
the headline.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Pence, who was pulling in.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Single digits, believes he has a laye with evangelicals in
the GOP primary.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
This is fascinating to me for a couple of reasons. One,
Donald Trump has not accused Mike Pence of disloyalty for
running for president against him.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Now, this is.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Interesting to me because there aren't very many precedents in
all of American politics when a vice president has competed
against a president for the nomination of a political party. Obviously,
we don't get a lot of opportunities for situations like
this to arise. To me, is evidence that Donald Trump
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does not see Mike Pence as a threat. Hence he
hasn't branded his former vice president as disloyal for running
against him. Second part of this, with this news coming out,
Trump went after Kaylee mcinnaney really aggressively last night. Kaylee
(01:35):
was sitting in I believe, for Laura Ingram on Fox News,
and many of you will remember and recall Kaylee was
among the most steadfast Trump defenders on the planet as
Trump's White House Press secretary, Buck, is it fair to
say in terms of public employees that Kaylee would have
(01:58):
to be one of the ten most loyal Trump Trump
White House members in terms of having again public jobs
where you would go out and argue on behalf of
the Trump administration. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And she, unlike many of the people, particularly in the
in the calm side of the White House and the
strategic communication side, has remained loyal to both Trump personally
and to the policies that he pursued as president without
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fail including in the weeks after the twenty twenty election
and after January sixth too.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
She could have very.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Easily tried to do what some others have done, which
is turn their back on Trump and try to leverage
those moments for gain in the media.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
She didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
You and I both know Keley, we are not biased
in this conversation insofar as we both think highly of Kelly.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
So yeah, we.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Think highly of Trump in some ways. But some days
lately I'm getting a little frustrated and I'm trying to
just be fair about all of this because I want
this play for everyone to feel like, you know, throughout
the primary, this is their family dinner table. People are
gonna disagree, people are gonna call in, They're gonna email us,
They're gonna like some things that we're sharing on the air.
(03:29):
They're gonna disagree with some assessments and analysis. That's fine.
It's a primary that's gonna happen, But there are things
that also can happen. You go, hold on a second,
what's what's that all about? Come on, like, knock it off?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You want to tell.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Everybody what the what the the truth? Social again?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, And I'm pulling it up right now to make
sure so for and I understand a lot of people
out there are not in sort of the social media ecosystem.
You're not looking at what Trump says or what somebody
else says back and forth on a day to day basis.
But here is what he said Tuesday. Last night. He
(04:08):
said Kaylee milk toast mcinnaney. And by the way, milk
toast is not spelled milk and toast, which has out
drup spelled. It just gave out the wrong pole numbers
on Fox News. I am thirty four points up on
the sanctimonious, not twenty five. While twenty five is great,
(04:32):
it's not thirty four. She knew the number was corrected
upwards by the group that did the pole. The rhinos
and globalist can have her. Fox News should only use
all caps real stars. Okay, So now the pole that
Kaylee cited is a real pole.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So you and I have seen the pole that she cited.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
And she wasn't taking a an analytic position on up.
She wasn't saying this poll shows the Trump. She was
just saying, look, there's a poll out that says, Look,
I mean, people can say whatever they want. They can
justifight a million ways. It's an unnecessary, cheap shot, and
it was a bad look, bad look. It's just not
something that there's so much to fight against. On the
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other side, There's so much to point out of the
failures of the Biden regime. There's so much to talk
about for what Trump would want to do in the future.
You're gonna take a cheap shot of Kaleo over nothing.
It'd be one thing if she started and anyone who
tells me in the Twitter comments or whatever, oh, she
did not.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
She read a poll, and the poll was very favorable
for Trump.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Twenty five versus thirty four. It's a big lead either direction.
And the poll she cited was accurate. And here's the thing.
If you are going and it ties into me with
the Pence argument and also the Ron de Santis argument,
If you are going to argue that Ron DeSantis is
being dis to you by running for president of the
(06:03):
United States, how in the world can anyone out there
with a functional brain not say you just attacked your
press secretary, who defended you more zealously than almost anyone
on the planet, for first of all, accurately reporting on
a poll that showed that you were up twenty five points.
(06:26):
Loyalty is a one way street to Donald Trump. So
that's the sign. But don't lecture us that this is
some sort of transgression of indescribable magnitude that DeSantis is
running for president.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So I can say this also, I'm seeing this, and
and I put this out there. We'll always you know,
if someone listening disagrees with this and they want to
have it, and we all need to be respectful of
each other all the time, I would be curious to
hear how this isn't just based on the logic of
argument and argumentation, how this is a problem. I see
(07:01):
people saying it's a primary anything goes to justify whatever
Trump says. And I'll see some of the same people say,
how dare Ron DeSantis or how dare Kayley or whomever
not be loyal to Trump? Hold on a second, is
it a primary anything goes? Or is it there's loyalty
to Trump? That has to be a principle that all
(07:22):
people keep. We need to It can't be both. It
can't be you know, this is a free for all. Interesting,
isn't it? There's that when when Trump does something that
I can't sit here and tell anybody that does anyone
want to take the position that what he said was
fair or a reasonable thing to do?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Why do that? Why lash out of Kaylee mcinney. She
didn't even do anything. If he one thing, if.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
She was like, I'm pro DeSantis, and I okay, I
mean I still think you shouldn't do.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
She just read a poll and it.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Was a poll that showed Trump kicking DeSantis's butt.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And that's not good enough. That's that's not acceptable new
in television.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And I think you can criticize Kaylee mackinn certainly like
you can criticize anybody in a public sphere. We get
ripped all the time for everything under the sun. Not
being good at television is not the way that I
would choose to go after Kaylee mcanany I mean, Caree
Jean Pierre is the White House Press secretary right now
and she can't even answer a basic question. She's incompetent.
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Kaylee in front of a camera is a pretty good stud.
So the idea, oh, I'm gonna attack one of the
foremost steadfast defenders of my presidency and say she's not
good enough on television and she's boring is really a
strange attack angle. And as I've said before with the
(08:41):
Kaye thing, with what's happened here to anyone out there,
Because sometimes I get this, so and SO is being
more fair on this, They'll say so and SO is
being more fair of Trump on this. Find me the
person who has any significance in the conservative movement. That's like, yeah,
you know, what's a really solid call, you know, taking
(09:01):
a cheap shot at your former press secretary over nothing.
That's that's what the way this game is played. Show
me that person and then we'll have that person come
on this show and try to because what you see
going on here, there's a lot of cowardice.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Clay.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
People don't want to say anything that's going to get
anybody right now upset at them, and I don't want
to upset anybody either. But we're gonna tell the truth.
We're going to tell the truth as we see it.
And you know that's out of respect for the audience,
out of respect for what our mission is here every day.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Is I just want Trump to focus on the things
that matter that he wants to do for the country.
I want to I want Trump talking to Okay, he
mentioned how about another tweet on how he's gonna I mean,
I keep saying tweet truth. I can't keep it all.
But how about another post on what he's going to do?
You know with the anchor you know, anchor baby situation
and birthrights citizenship, get into the details a little bit.
(09:51):
How about answering the question why didn't you do it
when you were in office for the first four years? Right,
use the platform for something that matters to the American people,
taking a shot, making shots at people who have been
nothing but loyal and all your team. I just I
don't get it. I don't understand how anybody thinks that's
a good move.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Buck, How did this show make national news last week? Everywhere?
By me asking DeSantis whether he would pardon Trump in
the event that he became president of the United States.
A couple of days before that, I came on the
show and I said, as a matter of principle and precedent,
I think every Republican candidate running for office should say
that they would pardon Donald Trump if they became president
(10:31):
of the United States. I don't know how there could
be a more trump statement than that. I am literally
saying on the air that I want everyone running for
the Republican nomination to pledge that they will not allow
Donald Trump to be locked up and they will immediately
free him from all federal charges as a precondition to
(10:54):
even getting elected.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Look, I yeah, I mean, I think that's a a
and important.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
To somebody out of jail. Is maybe the best thing
you could do it. So just checked in.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I come back to this and I just say, this
is not twenty sixteen. What you got for a lot
of the Trump presidency was people saying, shut up, he
knows what he's doing. And really there are a lot
of folks who won't say this openly, but they'll talk
about the four D chess and they mean it in
a snide way, like everyone always justified everything Trump did
because it was for D chess. Well, now we've suffered
(11:28):
a bad election in twenty eighteen, a bad presidential election.
Really wasn't that bad actually outside of the presidency if
you look at what happened in the House, et cetera.
But a bad twenty twenty election in that regard, and
a highly disappointing twenty twenty two election. So we can
either discuss what would make things better and what can
lead to victory. You know, this is about an economy
(11:52):
that lets you pay your bills. This is about the freedoms,
the constitutional freedoms we have in this country that we
need to protect with everything we have. This is about
your family, your kids, your grandkids, what's best for them
and if we're not going to have a discussion about
what's true in all of that. Then what's really the
point just going along because we had a great victory
in twenty sixteen isn't going to serve us in twenty
(12:14):
twenty four. And I put it out there again, anyone
who wants to call in and tell us that, you know,
Clay and I obviously see the KLi thing very similarly.
But and I've told you this that the advisors around
Trump are not They're not politically astute or virtuous. I'm
(12:35):
just gonna say it. The advisors around him right now
are I think leading him astray. I know who they are.
I know them personally, not all of them, but some
of them. And it's a bad scene. And we can
keep going down this road. Reverence says, don't criticize, don't talk.
I'm not taking a side in terms of who should
win the primary. I'm not saying that I don't think Trump.
I'm just saying we're gonna call balls and strikes as
(12:57):
they come through.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And isn't that what we should be doing otherwise? Otherwise?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I mean, I don't just mean us, I mean the
whole country. Isn't that why we're having a primary? To
see how this all plays out. So for me, it's
just disappointing. I want to hear better things. I want
to hear more about policy. I want to hear what
the president, former president, and possible future president Trump would
do to turn things around. I started off the show
Clay with eighteen percent of the country right now eighteen percent,
(13:24):
and they're probably just the crazy Libs who are.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Happy we have a Democrat president.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right it's basically twenty percent of the country is AOC
style left wing insane. That's the problem. What's going on
in the country and the lunatics. Kelly is on our team.
She's on the team of everybody listening. She's on President
Trump's team. Let's keep it real.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And remember this.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Joe Biden is the weakest potential incumbent president to ever
run for I think, statistically, to ever run for election.
In our lives. The focus should all, I think, be
on him. That's the way to win.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And if you disagree, eight hundred two way two two
eighth two lines are all open, cleared him out.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Let us know. I would I want to if.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
There will see well, I wonder this is one time,
but I wonder if we will get a single call.
I wonder if we will get a single call from
across the whole country saying, you know what, I think
that that, I think that him saying that Kaylee is
basically not good at her job and his milk toast
was okay, no problem. I'm wondering.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I don't know. We'll see eight hundred two way two
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and Buck Sexton Show. All right, welcome back to Clay
an Buck. Every line lit up like a Christmas tree.
We asked for it, so let's get to or we're
just taking them in order. Aaron in Louisville, Kentucky. Aaron,
what are your thoughts at how you doing?
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Yeah? I woke up this morning as a Trump supporter.
I opened up Twitter and saw that Kayley mcaninny Truth,
and I thought it was a parody, But when I
found out it was true, I became a De Santa supporter.
I don't have counted the childish.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Games, Aaron. I mean, I appreciate it. I'm getting a
lot of messages from from people play with similar sentiment.
I think Aaron said it, do you have you anything
we gotta we got also go ahead? Yeah, Frank and Glendora, California.
What's your take on this?
Speaker 6 (16:32):
I agree with what you were saying earlier. I'm I'm
a big Trump supporter, but wait, and I was watching
Fox News last night and when when he attacked Katie mcinnanny,
his his biggest supporter. When he attacked her and criticized
(16:53):
her like you did last night, it is hurting. That
is hurting our chances to win the press. It in
te in twenty twenty four, regardless of who of who
runs man. So I I like you guys for opening
it up and hearing from us to Trump supporters. He's
(17:16):
turning us right now.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Thank you Frank for calling in. We'll Clay Well, we'll
get to more of these. I just think it's, you know,
the part of it. It wasn't look if Trump wants
to say, hey, that's not a good pole here's a
better Paul kay or something fine? Right, And if it's
on the issue, he said she's not good at her
job on TV, which honestly is dumb. That's not true
because you and I know TV and we know this
medium and we know how it works, and she's actually
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very good.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So that's that's just gross man, it's greass.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Also undercuts his loyalty argument to me. It destroys it
because if you're really going to say Ron DeSantis is
being disloyal for me to me by running for president,
how is Kaylee being disloyal to you by hosting one
of the biggest shows on television advocating for people on
the right?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
All right?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It forces a question who is Trump loyal to? Who's
not an immediate family member?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
That's great question. We'll take your calls.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
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(18:54):
back in Play Travis buck Sexton Show. We're talking about
the Kaylee mcanniny tweet truth from Donald Trump that ricochet
throughout social media last night. I'm going through now it
appears Trump may have deleted that truth. Now, of course,
the challenge with deleting anything is you don't actually have
(19:15):
anything vanish, and he didn't, you know, come back out
and say, hey, you know what, Maybe that was an
uncharitable off the cuff take that was not rooted in
any any tangible reality, but he may have replaced it.
A lot of you want to weigh in, and by replaced,
I mean erased it. A lot of you want to
(19:36):
weigh in on this angle. What it represents. Let's go
to Johnny the truck driver up in NYC. Johnny, what
do you think?
Speaker 7 (19:46):
I think Trump gets what he gives, and he doesn't
give any loyalties, so he shouldn't expect much loyalty. It's
always about Donald Trump. I don't recall him doing any
large fundrais for januarely Shakes, defriending me. I don't recall
anything doing anything for them at all except putting it
(20:07):
on his slate that he's gonna take care of me
if he's reelected. But that's a big is. There's lots
of things he could do in the meantime to help
those people, but he hasn't. All the moneys money's been
going into his political campaign.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Thank you, Thank you, Johnny. Johnny's fired up. Look a
lot of people. If I gotta tell you, we can
always tell right away, just based on the vi P emails.
A note for everybody clayingbuck dot com. He bencome a VIP.
You can email us during the show and our team
sees it right away. VIP emails pouring in, clay calls
pouring in, and people are not they're not happy with
(20:45):
it because look, it's a it's a bad look as well,
not just for let's say Trump wins. Let's just say
Trump wins for a second. What is I mean, when's
the whole thing becomes president again? One of the biggest
challenges he is going to face is who is going
to go work for Now? You could say, oh, that's easy,
He's the president. Everybody to go work for him?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
What caliber of people are going to leave their jobs
their happy lives at senior levels where the heat is
going to be on. I'm talking about attorney general, I'm
talking about Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, etc. When
you see stuff like this happen you, By the way,
the truth is still up. Our team just found that
(21:26):
it is still he hasn't deleted it. But when you
see stuff like this happen, Clay, people take notice the
kind of people that you're going to want to circle
the wagons. Look, I know a lot of folks get
very angry about Bill Barr on the right, and they
get mad at me because I say Bill Barr saved
the Trump presidency. I have to remind everybody of this.
The Mueller trap was preempted by Barr coming forward. When
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they finally dropped that special counsel and said, Nope, sorry,
not gonna happen. This is you know, there's no charges here.
This is garbage. He based there. They were gonna they
were gonna impeach him over that, They were gonna try
to prosecute him over that. In what way was Bill
Barr not loyal both to his job and to the
Constitution because he couldn't overturn the twenty twenty election results.
(22:14):
It's asking a lot of an attorney general, isn't it.
I mean, it's also not a job.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
If I had to be represented by anybody right now
in a political related issue, maybe any issue, I think
I'd want Bill Barr.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You will not find a smart lawyer who works in
DC circles who says that Bill Barr is not a
very talented lawyer. They may not like him or agree
with him, but none of them will say he doesn't
know the law super well. So I just you sit
here and you say, like, guys, this this hap this
is a problem.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
This is something that someone who's close to Trump passed
to address and says, sir, you need you know, yeah,
you have amazing political gifts, absolutely, amazing communication gifts, absolutely,
but you know you.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Are going to need it.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Being president means you have to be running a team.
It's actually not just one guy, especially when you're up
against the deep state of Bureau per season, all the
rest of it. So I think that's Clai at some
level why some people are so frustrated by this, because
they're like, what.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Are you doing?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Then?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
We're trying to save the country here. Yeah, and you
and one of your most loyal soldiers, so to speak,
is getting slapped down by you publicly over nothing too,
over nothing. And I'm just for anyone who's saying, oh,
we're not being fair. Still haven't gotten a single call.
I mean, you know, I'm still waiting for a call.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Here.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Let's let's go.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Let's see here we have James in Oakdale, California.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
James, what do you.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Think you guys? First of all, I love your show.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
You guys are great. I really really love listening to
you every day. I'm I'm an independent and I became
an independent here probably in the last year. I got
really tired of the rhetoric and it's he's losing his
independence and that's what's going to decide this election. You
were a.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Trump and you were a Trump voter in sixteen and
in twenty.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Twice, and and I will not be again. And I
was a Trump I was a Trump policy supporter. Never
liked the man himself, but loved his policy. But I'm
telling you he was losing his independent voters. And that's
those are the people that are going to decide this selection.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Thank you to call Jay, and Wig Forrest wants to
tee off Jay what you got?
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Yeah, first of all, this is pure propaganda. I appreciates all,
but Ris Limbaugh would be a shame to you too,
the way your freaking propagandis. Is this entire situation. Kelly
mcnerty works for Fox News. Fox News has lost millions
of viewers after what they did at Tucker Carlson's. And
Bill Barr is a political freaking hack. How many people
did Bill Barr put in prison for burning America? For
(24:39):
looting stores? How many elderly people died because CBS is
Walgreens story against Walmarts were looted and burned and we'll
never know that number? You know, watch this.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Bill Barr's a hack.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
And I'm sorry to say this, but you two are
two who's got a hack?
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I was gonna say, who do you like?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Well, who's not a heck, Donald Trump's not a hack.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
Donald Trump has the right to speak when Donald Truck
wants to. Do you do y'all hear yourselves? And can
you two three stop saying will you agree with me?
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Do you agree?
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Do you agree? Every five minutes you two were looking
at each other propagandizing America.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
To talk to the whole the whole country.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
So you've got the you've got the floor. What are
we propagandizing America on in your mind?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Well?
Speaker 8 (25:21):
I mean you well, which what do you work at?
Fox News's play right? Yeah, okay, Fox News? We can
you please admit that Fox News is the take for
Rondo Santus.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I mean, I have never been told in two years
any opinion to say on Fox News or write on
out Kick, or say on this radio. In fact, in
my contract, I have complete editorial autonomy to say anything
that I want. So I can't speak for people's choices
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and people's other opinions, which is like you can't speak
for anybody else. But the idea that like there's some
sort of grand cabal of people at Fox News that
are all in the tank for Ron DeSantis and that
we're somehow propagandist.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Is Frankly, can I understand? Is everyone Jay? This is
very interesting. Is everyone who works at Fox Fox News
an anti Trump hack and a propagandist? Because it seems
like you're saying that because Kelly works at Fox News,
she deserves what she gets. So I'm wondering who who
do you think is a commentator then a fire like?
Speaker 8 (26:28):
What do you but he has the right to speak.
I did not say she deserved that. I didn't say
she deserved that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But the way we're not saying, hold on, you think
we're saying that Trump doesn't deserve the right to share
his opinions.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That's what you took from this. Yeah, I'm confused listening.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
To you for two weeks straight.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Yes, I do. I believe you too are against Donald
Trump and you will say whatever it takes to destroy
the man.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Okay, did you help ud did you hear me?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Last week say that I want every single Republican candidate
a pledge that they'll keep him out of jail. I
just I mean, if I were trying to destroy Donald Trump,
I would want him in jail right as opposed to
having every single person running for president keep him out
of jail.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
If I like I'm yelling, I'm most bigger phone and
I met the lake, So I'm not trying to yell.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Yell.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
The First of all, that that whole statement of saying
put Donald I mean, were you get Donald Trump out
of jail? First of all, he hadn't even been arrested.
I mean, he hadn't even been tried for anything.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay, but do you think you un Joe Biden would
like to put him in jail?
Speaker 8 (27:32):
To put that in the American people's mindset, to me,
sounds like exactly what James Clapper or John Britty.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
All right, hold on, no, hold on Jay, hold on Jay.
You know that he's already under and you know, wait, wait, wait, wait,
hold on, hold on Jay. You know that he's already
under and we say it's totally bogus and unfair, and
we've said it a million times. You know he's under
federal I mean a criminal indictment rather in New York
City right now, already right and you know there's a
special counsel that's looking at him for multiple things, for
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a federal indictment, which we also think is bogus.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Do you think that people.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Running those aren't trying to prosecute and imprison Donald Trump, Like,
do you think it's all the show because we're saying
we're worried that they're gonna get him?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
What do you think is happening?
Speaker 8 (28:11):
I know for a fact that when I turn on
CNN when I can tolerate it, the Communist News Network,
and then I tore you y'all want during the afternoon.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
No, I need an answer to my question. I need
an answer to my question, or else you're just angry
and you're not thinking it through. Do you think they're
trying to get Trump with those prosecutions?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Of course they are, you know that, so they just
I would why would trying to keep Trump out of
prison and protect him from what we say is an
improper charges that are being brought.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
German you put people in prison, and in my view,
when you're sitting on a radio show that millions of
people listening to me, all right.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Okay, we we we've just learning, I think he'd be
more relaxed. I mean, look, you could have any opinion
under the sun, the the idea that there is some
grand cabal like some of.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You hold on.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
We're at the point now where Clay the statement that
it is unfair that Donald Trump is being prosecuted. It
is an abuse of justice, and any Republican with the
power to right that should do so is somehow anti Trump.
Now we have just now, we have just entered the
crazy town. Now we're in a because the alternative to
(29:24):
that is the alternative to that, to be very clear,
would be a Republican administration that's not Donald Trump, or
you know, the continuation of the Democrat in which case
this doesn't really matter because they're not going to pardon him.
Where Donald Trump sits in prison, which is what's going
to happen if the left gets their way. I don't
know how much more clear. They have already indicted him,
(29:46):
and they're going to indict him more times.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I would say, is this.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You have to be careful that what happens in almost
every revolution buck the revolutionaries turn on themselves. Read a
history book. Trump was a revolutionary. Trump supporters, you guys
out there listening to us right now, you have to
make sure that you don't take the train to crazy
(30:12):
town and turn on people in a constant quest to
see who is more pure in their support of Trump. Right,
I don't believe, no matter who the person is in politics,
that anyone is above analysis and criticism. If you do,
I would submit you are a part of a cult.
(30:34):
You aren't a part of a political party. No one
is above criticis you just heard like Buckett? I just
let the guy say that we're awful and that we're
platform all of that thing. You're entitled to have that opinion.
I disagree with.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
You, By the way, our moms are very unhappy with
Jay in North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
But Jay, by the way, at the lake, I would
think he would be more relaxed. He was fired up.
But he can have that opinion. But again, I just
want to encourage everybody out there, make sure that you
are not so committed to an idea that you turn
into someone who's turning around and fighting with people who
agree with you, because that's what I'm seeing a lot
(31:15):
of right now. The worst thing that can happen politically.
And this isn't just a This isn't just a sport,
you know, a sports teams thing, no offense, clay, but
this is a thing that affects all of our day
to day lives, right This isn't just you know, oh who.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Wins the World Series. I'm really upset. This affects the economy,
This affects whether we go to war over god knows
Taiwan or Ukraine or whatever. This stuff matters. It matters
a lot. And the worst thing that I can see
happening politically is the Right implodes on itself in a
frenzy of lunacy because people are taking everything super personally.
(31:53):
Joe Biden gets eight yeap years and they probably decide
to go with changing the filibuster rule. They will have
a very good chance of having a majority in both
the House and the Senate the next time around because
of the implosion, so they'll have unified government term two
of Biden. He doesn't care. He'll do whatever the radical
(32:14):
left wants him to. And what happens then to your kids,
what happens to your future. I'm just trying to say,
Clay I on the prize, everybody, we're in this fight
to win this fight. We're not in this fight because
it's about Oh, I'm right, and other people on my
same team who agree with me on ninety nine percent
of stuff are wrong and bad. People know you're all patriots,
(32:35):
you all love this country. Some of you are gonna
have different ideas about who you think is the best
representative of that love and that patriotism for the Republican Party.
And that's fine, but that's not the same thing as
an all out food fight of crazy town.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I've told you, Buck, what I tell you.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
This is gonna be Alabama, Auburn, It's gonna be Michigan,
Ohio State, this is gonna be Yankees, Red Sox. It's
gonna be nasty in sight of the Republican Party. But again,
I just want to encourage you. Always in your mind,
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Speaker 3 (34:19):
Woo, it's uh spot sight buck day. Yeah, excited day
here on the Clay endbucksher.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
When people are passionate about it, we love it. We
love the passion.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
We love hearing from all of you across the country
about what you see going on. And it's uh, it's
really it's amazing to feel like you just have this
extended family of all of us together listeners all across
the country, trying to make sense of what just feels
like crazy town sometimes these days. What's going on out there?
(34:53):
We do have wow lines lad email flowing at about
this one. And I'm just gonna note Clay one thing
about Chris Christy if he calls in, gonna have a
little talk with him. I someone pointed this out to me.
I had completely forgotten about this. Chris Christy was a
huge mask advocate for COVID and shouting at everybody for masks.
(35:14):
He's gonna have to apologize for that one. If he's
gonna come on this show, We're gonna have a conversation
about masks, mister Chris Christy.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And have you admitted you were wrong? Because you need
to What do you want to get to do what
we got?
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Chuck and Louisville. A lot of Louisville calls love it.
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Chuck?
Speaker 9 (35:31):
Hey, guys, I remember listening to Rush and he said
one thing that resonated with me, and that is the
only person that can destroy Donald Trump is himself. And
that's exactly what he's doing. He needs to keep his
damn mouth shut about his competition and just compete against
it like we all did as athletes. This is stuff
that he's going through. He's dividing all of us, and
(35:51):
he if he gets the nomination, like two other people
said before you, they're not going to people are not
going to vote for him. They're not He is doing
the Democrats work for them by running his mouth and
not just competing and telling us how we can get
back to what he did to begin with.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Thanks for the call. Look, we'll take more of your
calls in the third hour. Eight hundred and two two
two eight A two First Amendment alive and well on
this program. Uh, you don't have to agree with any
individual caller, but I think when Trump is attacking one
of the foremost spokespersons for his entire administration and saying
that she basically is worthless in her job, that's an
(36:31):
indictment actually on him. If she's so bad, why did
you make her the foremost spokesperson for your administration?
Speaker 3 (36:37):
All that said, Jay in North Carolina, Buddy, when you're
out there, it does sound very peaceful and nice by
the lake. A little jealous I'd like to be hanging
out by a lake. I'm not sure I'd call in
to fight with radio hosts while doing it. But I
respect the game
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We've talked about Chris
Christy entering the race. Buck, as we start off our
number two here, headline in the Messenger, which is a
new media startup, former Vice President Mike Pence to launch
campaign for White House within two weeks Pence, this is
(00:29):
the headline.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Pence, who was pulling in.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Single digits, believes he has a laye with evangelicals in
the GOP primary.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
This is fascinating to me for a couple of reasons. One,
Donald Trump has not accused Mike Pence of disloyalty for
running for president against him.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Now, this is.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Interesting to me because there aren't very many precedents in
all of American politics when a vice president has competed
against a president for the nomination of a political party. Obviously,
we don't get a lot of opportunities for situations like
this to arise. To me, is evidence that Donald Trump
(01:14):
does not see Mike Pence as a threat. Hence he
hasn't branded his former vice president as disloyal for running
against him. Second part of this, with this news coming out,
Trump went after Kaylee mcinnaney really aggressively last night. Kaylee
(01:35):
was sitting in I believe, for Laura Ingram on Fox News,
and many of you will remember and recall Kaylee was
among the most steadfast Trump defenders on the planet as
Trump's White House Press secretary, Buck, is it fair to
say in terms of public employees that Kaylee would have
(01:58):
to be one of the ten most loyal Trump Trump
White House members in terms of having again public jobs
where you would go out and argue on behalf of
the Trump administration. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And she, unlike many of the people, particularly in the
in the calm side of the White House and the
strategic communication side, has remained loyal to both Trump personally
and to the policies that he pursued as president without
(02:36):
fail including in the weeks after the twenty twenty election
and after January sixth too.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
She could have very.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Easily tried to do what some others have done, which
is turn their back on Trump and try to leverage
those moments for gain in the media.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
She didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
You and I both know Keley, we are not biased
in this conversation insofar as we both think highly of Kelly.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
So yeah, we.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Think highly of Trump in some ways. But some days
lately I'm getting a little frustrated and I'm trying to
just be fair about all of this because I want
this play for everyone to feel like, you know, throughout
the primary, this is their family dinner table. People are
gonna disagree, people are gonna call in, They're gonna email us,
They're gonna like some things that we're sharing on the air.
(03:29):
They're gonna disagree with some assessments and analysis. That's fine.
It's a primary that's gonna happen, But there are things
that also can happen. You go, hold on a second,
what's what's that all about? Come on, like, knock it off?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You want to tell.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Everybody what the what the the truth? Social again?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, And I'm pulling it up right now to make
sure so for and I understand a lot of people
out there are not in sort of the social media ecosystem.
You're not looking at what Trump says or what somebody
else says back and forth on a day to day basis.
But here is what he said Tuesday. Last night. He
(04:08):
said Kaylee milk toast mcinnaney. And by the way, milk
toast is not spelled milk and toast, which has out
drup spelled. It just gave out the wrong pole numbers
on Fox News. I am thirty four points up on
the sanctimonious, not twenty five. While twenty five is great,
(04:32):
it's not thirty four. She knew the number was corrected
upwards by the group that did the pole. The rhinos
and globalist can have her. Fox News should only use
all caps real stars. Okay, So now the pole that
Kaylee cited is a real pole.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So you and I have seen the pole that she cited.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
And she wasn't taking a an analytic position on up.
She wasn't saying this poll shows the Trump. She was
just saying, look, there's a poll out that says, Look,
I mean, people can say whatever they want. They can
justifight a million ways. It's an unnecessary, cheap shot, and
it was a bad look, bad look. It's just not
something that there's so much to fight against. On the
(05:19):
other side, There's so much to point out of the
failures of the Biden regime. There's so much to talk
about for what Trump would want to do in the future.
You're gonna take a cheap shot of Kaleo over nothing.
It'd be one thing if she started and anyone who
tells me in the Twitter comments or whatever, oh, she
did not.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
She read a poll, and the poll was very favorable
for Trump.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Twenty five versus thirty four. It's a big lead either direction.
And the poll she cited was accurate. And here's the thing.
If you are going and it ties into me with
the Pence argument and also the Ron de Santis argument,
If you are going to argue that Ron DeSantis is
being dis to you by running for president of the
(06:03):
United States, how in the world can anyone out there
with a functional brain not say you just attacked your
press secretary, who defended you more zealously than almost anyone
on the planet, for first of all, accurately reporting on
a poll that showed that you were up twenty five points.
(06:26):
Loyalty is a one way street to Donald Trump. So
that's the sign. But don't lecture us that this is
some sort of transgression of indescribable magnitude that DeSantis is
running for president.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So I can say this also, I'm seeing this, and
and I put this out there. We'll always you know,
if someone listening disagrees with this and they want to
have it, and we all need to be respectful of
each other all the time, I would be curious to
hear how this isn't just based on the logic of
argument and argumentation, how this is a problem. I see
(07:01):
people saying it's a primary anything goes to justify whatever
Trump says. And I'll see some of the same people say,
how dare Ron DeSantis or how dare Kayley or whomever
not be loyal to Trump? Hold on a second, is
it a primary anything goes? Or is it there's loyalty
to Trump? That has to be a principle that all
(07:22):
people keep. We need to It can't be both. It
can't be you know, this is a free for all. Interesting,
isn't it? There's that when when Trump does something that
I can't sit here and tell anybody that does anyone
want to take the position that what he said was
fair or a reasonable thing to do?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Why do that? Why lash out of Kaylee mcinney. She
didn't even do anything. If he one thing, if.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
She was like, I'm pro DeSantis, and I okay, I
mean I still think you shouldn't do.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
She just read a poll and it.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Was a poll that showed Trump kicking DeSantis's butt.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And that's not good enough. That's that's not acceptable new
in television.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And I think you can criticize Kaylee mackinn certainly like
you can criticize anybody in a public sphere. We get
ripped all the time for everything under the sun. Not
being good at television is not the way that I
would choose to go after Kaylee mcanany I mean, Caree
Jean Pierre is the White House Press secretary right now
and she can't even answer a basic question. She's incompetent.
(08:19):
Kaylee in front of a camera is a pretty good stud.
So the idea, oh, I'm gonna attack one of the
foremost steadfast defenders of my presidency and say she's not
good enough on television and she's boring is really a
strange attack angle. And as I've said before with the
(08:41):
Kaye thing, with what's happened here to anyone out there,
Because sometimes I get this, so and SO is being
more fair on this, They'll say so and SO is
being more fair of Trump on this. Find me the
person who has any significance in the conservative movement. That's like, yeah,
you know, what's a really solid call, you know, taking
(09:01):
a cheap shot at your former press secretary over nothing.
That's that's what the way this game is played. Show
me that person and then we'll have that person come
on this show and try to because what you see
going on here, there's a lot of cowardice.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Clay.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
People don't want to say anything that's going to get
anybody right now upset at them, and I don't want
to upset anybody either. But we're gonna tell the truth.
We're going to tell the truth as we see it.
And you know that's out of respect for the audience,
out of respect for what our mission is here every day.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Is I just want Trump to focus on the things
that matter that he wants to do for the country.
I want to I want Trump talking to Okay, he
mentioned how about another tweet on how he's gonna I mean,
I keep saying tweet truth. I can't keep it all.
But how about another post on what he's going to do?
You know with the anchor you know, anchor baby situation
and birthrights citizenship, get into the details a little bit.
(09:51):
How about answering the question why didn't you do it
when you were in office for the first four years? Right,
use the platform for something that matters to the American people,
taking a shot, making shots at people who have been
nothing but loyal and all your team. I just I
don't get it. I don't understand how anybody thinks that's
a good move.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Buck, How did this show make national news last week? Everywhere?
By me asking DeSantis whether he would pardon Trump in
the event that he became president of the United States.
A couple of days before that, I came on the
show and I said, as a matter of principle and precedent,
I think every Republican candidate running for office should say
that they would pardon Donald Trump if they became president
(10:31):
of the United States. I don't know how there could
be a more trump statement than that. I am literally
saying on the air that I want everyone running for
the Republican nomination to pledge that they will not allow
Donald Trump to be locked up and they will immediately
free him from all federal charges as a precondition to
(10:54):
even getting elected.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Look, I yeah, I mean, I think that's a a
and important.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
To somebody out of jail. Is maybe the best thing
you could do it. So just checked in.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I come back to this and I just say, this
is not twenty sixteen. What you got for a lot
of the Trump presidency was people saying, shut up, he
knows what he's doing. And really there are a lot
of folks who won't say this openly, but they'll talk
about the four D chess and they mean it in
a snide way, like everyone always justified everything Trump did
because it was for D chess. Well, now we've suffered
(11:28):
a bad election in twenty eighteen, a bad presidential election.
Really wasn't that bad actually outside of the presidency if
you look at what happened in the House, et cetera.
But a bad twenty twenty election in that regard, and
a highly disappointing twenty twenty two election. So we can
either discuss what would make things better and what can
lead to victory. You know, this is about an economy
(11:52):
that lets you pay your bills. This is about the freedoms,
the constitutional freedoms we have in this country that we
need to protect with everything we have. This is about
your family, your kids, your grandkids, what's best for them
and if we're not going to have a discussion about
what's true in all of that. Then what's really the
point just going along because we had a great victory
in twenty sixteen isn't going to serve us in twenty
(12:14):
twenty four. And I put it out there again, anyone
who wants to call in and tell us that, you know,
Clay and I obviously see the KLi thing very similarly.
But and I've told you this that the advisors around
Trump are not They're not politically astute or virtuous. I'm
(12:35):
just gonna say it. The advisors around him right now
are I think leading him astray. I know who they are.
I know them personally, not all of them, but some
of them. And it's a bad scene. And we can
keep going down this road. Reverence says, don't criticize, don't talk.
I'm not taking a side in terms of who should
win the primary. I'm not saying that I don't think Trump.
I'm just saying we're gonna call balls and strikes as
(12:57):
they come through.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And isn't that what we should be doing otherwise? Otherwise?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I mean, I don't just mean us, I mean the
whole country. Isn't that why we're having a primary? To
see how this all plays out. So for me, it's
just disappointing. I want to hear better things. I want
to hear more about policy. I want to hear what
the president, former president, and possible future president Trump would
do to turn things around. I started off the show
Clay with eighteen percent of the country right now eighteen percent,
(13:24):
and they're probably just the crazy Libs who are.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Happy we have a Democrat president.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right it's basically twenty percent of the country is AOC
style left wing insane. That's the problem. What's going on
in the country and the lunatics. Kelly is on our team.
She's on the team of everybody listening. She's on President
Trump's team. Let's keep it real.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And remember this.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Joe Biden is the weakest potential incumbent president to ever
run for I think, statistically, to ever run for election.
In our lives. The focus should all, I think, be
on him. That's the way to win.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And if you disagree, eight hundred two way two two
eighth two lines are all open, cleared him out.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Let us know. I would I want to if.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
There will see well, I wonder this is one time,
but I wonder if we will get a single call.
I wonder if we will get a single call from
across the whole country saying, you know what, I think
that that, I think that him saying that Kaylee is
basically not good at her job and his milk toast
was okay, no problem. I'm wondering.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I don't know. We'll see eight hundred two way two
two eight eight two.
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and Buck Sexton Show. All right, welcome back to Clay
an Buck. Every line lit up like a Christmas tree.
We asked for it, so let's get to or we're
just taking them in order. Aaron in Louisville, Kentucky. Aaron,
what are your thoughts at how you doing?
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Yeah? I woke up this morning as a Trump supporter.
I opened up Twitter and saw that Kayley mcaninny Truth,
and I thought it was a parody, But when I
found out it was true, I became a De Santa supporter.
I don't have counted the childish.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Games, Aaron. I mean, I appreciate it. I'm getting a
lot of messages from from people play with similar sentiment.
I think Aaron said it, do you have you anything
we gotta we got also go ahead? Yeah, Frank and Glendora, California.
What's your take on this?
Speaker 6 (16:32):
I agree with what you were saying earlier. I'm I'm
a big Trump supporter, but wait, and I was watching
Fox News last night and when when he attacked Katie mcinnanny,
his his biggest supporter. When he attacked her and criticized
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her like you did last night, it is hurting. That
is hurting our chances to win the press. It in
te in twenty twenty four, regardless of who of who
runs man. So I I like you guys for opening
it up and hearing from us to Trump supporters. He's
(17:16):
turning us right now.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Thank you Frank for calling in. We'll Clay Well, we'll
get to more of these. I just think it's, you know,
the part of it. It wasn't look if Trump wants
to say, hey, that's not a good pole here's a
better Paul kay or something fine? Right, And if it's
on the issue, he said she's not good at her
job on TV, which honestly is dumb. That's not true
because you and I know TV and we know this
medium and we know how it works, and she's actually
(17:40):
very good.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So that's that's just gross man, it's greass.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Also undercuts his loyalty argument to me. It destroys it
because if you're really going to say Ron DeSantis is
being disloyal for me to me by running for president,
how is Kaylee being disloyal to you by hosting one
of the biggest shows on television advocating for people on
the right?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
All right?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It forces a question who is Trump loyal to? Who's
not an immediate family member?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
That's great question. We'll take your calls.
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back in Play Travis buck Sexton Show. We're talking about
the Kaylee mcanniny tweet truth from Donald Trump that ricochet
throughout social media last night. I'm going through now it
appears Trump may have deleted that truth. Now, of course,
the challenge with deleting anything is you don't actually have
(19:15):
anything vanish, and he didn't, you know, come back out
and say, hey, you know what, Maybe that was an
uncharitable off the cuff take that was not rooted in
any any tangible reality, but he may have replaced it.
A lot of you want to weigh in, and by replaced,
I mean erased it. A lot of you want to
(19:36):
weigh in on this angle. What it represents. Let's go
to Johnny the truck driver up in NYC. Johnny, what
do you think?
Speaker 7 (19:46):
I think Trump gets what he gives, and he doesn't
give any loyalties, so he shouldn't expect much loyalty. It's
always about Donald Trump. I don't recall him doing any
large fundrais for januarely Shakes, defriending me. I don't recall
anything doing anything for them at all except putting it
(20:07):
on his slate that he's gonna take care of me
if he's reelected. But that's a big is. There's lots
of things he could do in the meantime to help
those people, but he hasn't. All the moneys money's been
going into his political campaign.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Thank you, Thank you, Johnny. Johnny's fired up. Look a
lot of people. If I gotta tell you, we can
always tell right away, just based on the vi P emails.
A note for everybody clayingbuck dot com. He bencome a VIP.
You can email us during the show and our team
sees it right away. VIP emails pouring in, clay calls
pouring in, and people are not they're not happy with
(20:45):
it because look, it's a it's a bad look as well,
not just for let's say Trump wins. Let's just say
Trump wins for a second. What is I mean, when's
the whole thing becomes president again? One of the biggest
challenges he is going to face is who is going
to go work for Now? You could say, oh, that's easy,
He's the president. Everybody to go work for him?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
What caliber of people are going to leave their jobs
their happy lives at senior levels where the heat is
going to be on. I'm talking about attorney general, I'm
talking about Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, etc. When
you see stuff like this happen you, By the way,
the truth is still up. Our team just found that
(21:26):
it is still he hasn't deleted it. But when you
see stuff like this happen, Clay, people take notice the
kind of people that you're going to want to circle
the wagons. Look, I know a lot of folks get
very angry about Bill Barr on the right, and they
get mad at me because I say Bill Barr saved
the Trump presidency. I have to remind everybody of this.
The Mueller trap was preempted by Barr coming forward. When
(21:52):
they finally dropped that special counsel and said, Nope, sorry,
not gonna happen. This is you know, there's no charges here.
This is garbage. He based there. They were gonna they
were gonna impeach him over that, They were gonna try
to prosecute him over that. In what way was Bill
Barr not loyal both to his job and to the
Constitution because he couldn't overturn the twenty twenty election results.
(22:14):
It's asking a lot of an attorney general, isn't it.
I mean, it's also not a job.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
If I had to be represented by anybody right now
in a political related issue, maybe any issue, I think
I'd want Bill Barr.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You will not find a smart lawyer who works in
DC circles who says that Bill Barr is not a
very talented lawyer. They may not like him or agree
with him, but none of them will say he doesn't
know the law super well. So I just you sit
here and you say, like, guys, this this hap this
is a problem.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
This is something that someone who's close to Trump passed
to address and says, sir, you need you know, yeah,
you have amazing political gifts, absolutely, amazing communication gifts, absolutely,
but you know you.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Are going to need it.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Being president means you have to be running a team.
It's actually not just one guy, especially when you're up
against the deep state of Bureau per season, all the
rest of it. So I think that's Clai at some
level why some people are so frustrated by this, because
they're like, what.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Are you doing?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Then?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
We're trying to save the country here. Yeah, and you
and one of your most loyal soldiers, so to speak,
is getting slapped down by you publicly over nothing too,
over nothing. And I'm just for anyone who's saying, oh,
we're not being fair. Still haven't gotten a single call.
I mean, you know, I'm still waiting for a call.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Here.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Let's let's go.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Let's see here we have James in Oakdale, California.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
James, what do you.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Think you guys? First of all, I love your show.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
You guys are great. I really really love listening to
you every day. I'm I'm an independent and I became
an independent here probably in the last year. I got
really tired of the rhetoric and it's he's losing his
independence and that's what's going to decide this election. You
were a.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Trump and you were a Trump voter in sixteen and
in twenty.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Twice, and and I will not be again. And I
was a Trump I was a Trump policy supporter. Never
liked the man himself, but loved his policy. But I'm
telling you he was losing his independent voters. And that's
those are the people that are going to decide this selection.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Thank you to call Jay, and Wig Forrest wants to
tee off Jay what you got?
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Yeah, first of all, this is pure propaganda. I appreciates all,
but Ris Limbaugh would be a shame to you too,
the way your freaking propagandis. Is this entire situation. Kelly
mcnerty works for Fox News. Fox News has lost millions
of viewers after what they did at Tucker Carlson's. And
Bill Barr is a political freaking hack. How many people
did Bill Barr put in prison for burning America? For
(24:39):
looting stores? How many elderly people died because CBS is
Walgreens story against Walmarts were looted and burned and we'll
never know that number? You know, watch this.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Bill Barr's a hack.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
And I'm sorry to say this, but you two are
two who's got a hack?
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I was gonna say, who do you like?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Well, who's not a heck, Donald Trump's not a hack.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
Donald Trump has the right to speak when Donald Truck
wants to. Do you do y'all hear yourselves? And can
you two three stop saying will you agree with me?
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Do you agree?
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Do you agree? Every five minutes you two were looking
at each other propagandizing America.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
To talk to the whole the whole country.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
So you've got the you've got the floor. What are
we propagandizing America on in your mind?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Well?
Speaker 8 (25:21):
I mean you well, which what do you work at?
Fox News's play right? Yeah, okay, Fox News? We can
you please admit that Fox News is the take for
Rondo Santus.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I mean, I have never been told in two years
any opinion to say on Fox News or write on
out Kick, or say on this radio. In fact, in
my contract, I have complete editorial autonomy to say anything
that I want. So I can't speak for people's choices
(25:53):
and people's other opinions, which is like you can't speak
for anybody else. But the idea that like there's some
sort of grand cabal of people at Fox News that
are all in the tank for Ron DeSantis and that
we're somehow propagandist.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Is Frankly, can I understand? Is everyone Jay? This is
very interesting. Is everyone who works at Fox Fox News
an anti Trump hack and a propagandist? Because it seems
like you're saying that because Kelly works at Fox News,
she deserves what she gets. So I'm wondering who who
do you think is a commentator then a fire like?
Speaker 8 (26:28):
What do you but he has the right to speak.
I did not say she deserved that. I didn't say
she deserved that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But the way we're not saying, hold on, you think
we're saying that Trump doesn't deserve the right to share
his opinions.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That's what you took from this. Yeah, I'm confused listening.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
To you for two weeks straight.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Yes, I do. I believe you too are against Donald
Trump and you will say whatever it takes to destroy
the man.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Okay, did you help ud did you hear me?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Last week say that I want every single Republican candidate
a pledge that they'll keep him out of jail. I
just I mean, if I were trying to destroy Donald Trump,
I would want him in jail right as opposed to
having every single person running for president keep him out
of jail.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
If I like I'm yelling, I'm most bigger phone and
I met the lake, So I'm not trying to yell.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Yell.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
The First of all, that that whole statement of saying
put Donald I mean, were you get Donald Trump out
of jail? First of all, he hadn't even been arrested.
I mean, he hadn't even been tried for anything.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay, but do you think you un Joe Biden would
like to put him in jail?
Speaker 8 (27:32):
To put that in the American people's mindset, to me,
sounds like exactly what James Clapper or John Britty.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
All right, hold on, no, hold on Jay, hold on Jay.
You know that he's already under and you know, wait, wait, wait, wait,
hold on, hold on Jay. You know that he's already
under and we say it's totally bogus and unfair, and
we've said it a million times. You know he's under
federal I mean a criminal indictment rather in New York
City right now, already right and you know there's a
special counsel that's looking at him for multiple things, for
(27:58):
a federal indictment, which we also think is bogus.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Do you think that people.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Running those aren't trying to prosecute and imprison Donald Trump, Like,
do you think it's all the show because we're saying
we're worried that they're gonna get him?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
What do you think is happening?
Speaker 8 (28:11):
I know for a fact that when I turn on
CNN when I can tolerate it, the Communist News Network,
and then I tore you y'all want during the afternoon.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
No, I need an answer to my question. I need
an answer to my question, or else you're just angry
and you're not thinking it through. Do you think they're
trying to get Trump with those prosecutions?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Of course they are, you know that, so they just
I would why would trying to keep Trump out of
prison and protect him from what we say is an
improper charges that are being brought.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
German you put people in prison, and in my view,
when you're sitting on a radio show that millions of
people listening to me, all right.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Okay, we we we've just learning, I think he'd be
more relaxed. I mean, look, you could have any opinion
under the sun, the the idea that there is some
grand cabal like some of.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You hold on.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
We're at the point now where Clay the statement that
it is unfair that Donald Trump is being prosecuted. It
is an abuse of justice, and any Republican with the
power to right that should do so is somehow anti Trump.
Now we have just now, we have just entered the
crazy town. Now we're in a because the alternative to
(29:24):
that is the alternative to that, to be very clear,
would be a Republican administration that's not Donald Trump, or
you know, the continuation of the Democrat in which case
this doesn't really matter because they're not going to pardon him.
Where Donald Trump sits in prison, which is what's going
to happen if the left gets their way. I don't
know how much more clear. They have already indicted him,
(29:46):
and they're going to indict him more times.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I would say, is this.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You have to be careful that what happens in almost
every revolution buck the revolutionaries turn on themselves. Read a
history book. Trump was a revolutionary. Trump supporters, you guys
out there listening to us right now, you have to
make sure that you don't take the train to crazy
(30:12):
town and turn on people in a constant quest to
see who is more pure in their support of Trump. Right,
I don't believe, no matter who the person is in politics,
that anyone is above analysis and criticism. If you do,
I would submit you are a part of a cult.
(30:34):
You aren't a part of a political party. No one
is above criticis you just heard like Buckett? I just
let the guy say that we're awful and that we're
platform all of that thing. You're entitled to have that opinion.
I disagree with.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
You, By the way, our moms are very unhappy with
Jay in North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
But Jay, by the way, at the lake, I would
think he would be more relaxed. He was fired up.
But he can have that opinion. But again, I just
want to encourage everybody out there, make sure that you
are not so committed to an idea that you turn
into someone who's turning around and fighting with people who
agree with you, because that's what I'm seeing a lot
(31:15):
of right now. The worst thing that can happen politically.
And this isn't just a This isn't just a sport,
you know, a sports teams thing, no offense, clay, but
this is a thing that affects all of our day
to day lives, right This isn't just you know, oh who.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Wins the World Series. I'm really upset. This affects the economy,
This affects whether we go to war over god knows
Taiwan or Ukraine or whatever. This stuff matters. It matters
a lot. And the worst thing that I can see
happening politically is the Right implodes on itself in a
frenzy of lunacy because people are taking everything super personally.
(31:53):
Joe Biden gets eight yeap years and they probably decide
to go with changing the filibuster rule. They will have
a very good chance of having a majority in both
the House and the Senate the next time around because
of the implosion, so they'll have unified government term two
of Biden. He doesn't care. He'll do whatever the radical
(32:14):
left wants him to. And what happens then to your kids,
what happens to your future. I'm just trying to say,
Clay I on the prize, everybody, we're in this fight
to win this fight. We're not in this fight because
it's about Oh, I'm right, and other people on my
same team who agree with me on ninety nine percent
of stuff are wrong and bad. People know you're all patriots,
(32:35):
you all love this country. Some of you are gonna
have different ideas about who you think is the best
representative of that love and that patriotism for the Republican Party.
And that's fine, but that's not the same thing as
an all out food fight of crazy town.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I've told you, Buck, what I tell you.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
This is gonna be Alabama, Auburn, It's gonna be Michigan,
Ohio State, this is gonna be Yankees, Red Sox. It's
gonna be nasty in sight of the Republican Party. But again,
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Speaker 1 (34:27):
When people are passionate about it, we love it. We
love the passion.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
We love hearing from all of you across the country
about what you see going on. And it's uh, it's
really it's amazing to feel like you just have this
extended family of all of us together listeners all across
the country, trying to make sense of what just feels
like crazy town sometimes these days. What's going on out there?
(34:53):
We do have wow lines lad email flowing at about
this one. And I'm just gonna note Clay one thing
about Chris Christy if he calls in, gonna have a
little talk with him. I someone pointed this out to me.
I had completely forgotten about this. Chris Christy was a
huge mask advocate for COVID and shouting at everybody for masks.
(35:14):
He's gonna have to apologize for that one. If he's
gonna come on this show, We're gonna have a conversation
about masks, mister Chris Christy.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And have you admitted you were wrong? Because you need
to What do you want to get to do what
we got?
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Chuck and Louisville. A lot of Louisville calls love it.
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Chuck?
Speaker 9 (35:31):
Hey, guys, I remember listening to Rush and he said
one thing that resonated with me, and that is the
only person that can destroy Donald Trump is himself. And
that's exactly what he's doing. He needs to keep his
damn mouth shut about his competition and just compete against
it like we all did as athletes. This is stuff
that he's going through. He's dividing all of us, and
(35:51):
he if he gets the nomination, like two other people
said before you, they're not going to people are not
going to vote for him. They're not He is doing
the Democrats work for them by running his mouth and
not just competing and telling us how we can get
back to what he did to begin with.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Thanks for the call. Look, we'll take more of your
calls in the third hour. Eight hundred and two two
two eight A two First Amendment alive and well on
this program. Uh, you don't have to agree with any
individual caller, but I think when Trump is attacking one
of the foremost spokespersons for his entire administration and saying
that she basically is worthless in her job, that's an
(36:31):
indictment actually on him. If she's so bad, why did
you make her the foremost spokesperson for your administration?
Speaker 3 (36:37):
All that said, Jay in North Carolina, Buddy, when you're
out there, it does sound very peaceful and nice by
the lake. A little jealous I'd like to be hanging
out by a lake. I'm not sure I'd call in
to fight with radio hosts while doing it. But I
respect the game
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