June 6, 2023 • 36 mins
Trump predicts Hunter will be charged with "something small" to cover charging him. Merrick Garland's legacy. Clay's prediction on Biden bowing out. Coach Bill Courtney, host of “An Army of Normal Folks” podcast and subject of the Oscar-winning football documentary “Undefeated,” joined Clay and Buck to talk about how it's up to regular people to fix their communities. Clay's never had a massage. Buck mentioned throughout the show how much he enjoyed broadcasting today at KTLK-FM in St. Louis, hearing people argue about their favorite barbecue spots and that he is especially looking forward to hanging out tonight with listeners at an event where the discussion will be about "talking about saving America."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast, kicking off our.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Three of Clay and Buck right now, everybody, thanks.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
For rolling with us.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
A couple of things we're gonna get to this hour.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
The Trump prediction about live golf and the PGA that's
getting a lot of play now, Clay, I see this
a prediction that our owned Clay Travis also made last
before Trump.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I give credit to Trump, but my prediction on Fox
News was a full month before his prediction. Great minds
can think alike. Just FYI, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Let you and the Trumpster fight that out at the
seventeenth hole. That's up to you, guys, next time you're
playing golf together. But Trump is predicting as well. Speaking
of predictions, Hunter Biden will get charged with something small
to make their strike on me look fair. I'm starting
to think that some of Trump world is listening to
(00:57):
the radio show here, buddy. But can I just say,
for Clarity's sake before for settle with the victory. I
can already see the victory dance. You know, he's about
to start getting going. I have always said that their
plan is to do something that just means no jail,
that the special treatment will be deferred prosecution, something that
doesn't involve any prison time. That is the if they
(01:20):
go for prison time, I'm wrong. If Hunter spends time
in prison, I miss this one.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
So I think Trump is probably right on this.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
But do they feel they need that to balance it out?
Clay Well, Maggie Haberman of The New York Times is
talking about sources telling her in Trump World that Trump.
Now this is from the New York Times, so take
it for what it's worth. But Maggie Haberman has had
a lot of access to Trump and Trump World. That's
(01:51):
just a fact that Trump expects that there will be
federal charges against him in the mar lagu documents case too.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So what do you make of all of it.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, we've said for a while that we think there
are going to be charges against Trump, and some people
get mad when we say we think they're going to
be charges against Trump. Understand, this is not Buck and
myself making decisions for the Department of Justice about whether
or not to charge. This also is not us saying,
by the way, Joe Biden's alleged crimes are far worse. Right,
(02:23):
We agree with all that I'm just I believe you
referred to my prediction, and I don't know when I
first made it, but it might have been a year
ago that Hunter Biden would get charged and it would
be the fig leaf that allowed the Department of Justice
to argue that Merrick Garland that he would say, whether
you're the son of the president or the former president,
(02:45):
nobody's above the law. And I'm not sure what the
significance of the charges would be against Hunter. I think
that Trump is right, and I think I've said I'm
not saying they're going to try to lock the key
and throw him away, right, But I believe Buck I'm correct. Again,
we can go to the transcript. I believe you said
that was the equivalent of not just calling a home run,
but calling a home run in the absolute upper deck
(03:07):
of the stadium, that you were going to plant the
ball there. I think it's the way they're going to
do it. And this is me trying to get inside
of Merrick Garland's head and if he is truly undertaking
what is an unprecedented, in my opinion, unjustifiable expansion of
political warfare that we've never seen in two hundred plus
years in this country to try to put your chief
(03:29):
political adversary in prison, using the Department of Justice and
the FBI to do so, of the sitting American president,
he and his mind buck as a lawyer, has to
convince himself that this is a justified action and that
Trump's behavior is so egregious it's worthy of doing so.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But he wouldn't have to think of this in terms
of trade offs. If no one's above the law, it
doesn't matter whether this is done to Hunter Biden or not.
If Trump broke the law. No one's above the law.
So I don't see it as as a It's not
a legal rationale. It's a political rationale masquerading as a
legal rationale.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Okay, it's it's a great point. And here's what I
would say. I know a lot of lawyers who care
desperately what other lawyers think about them. You know, you
know how a profession sometimes judges itself more aggressively than
it does like the general public. There are lots of lawyers,
and Merrick Garland as one, that want to be extremely
(04:33):
esteemed by other members of the bar. And I think
in his mind, again, this is me trying to get
in Merrick Garland the Attorney general's mind. If he just
charges Trump, it looks like he is just the hatchet
man of Joe Biden, and I doesn't want that buck.
I think he wants this idea of I am he
(04:56):
wanted to be a Supreme Court just r this play.
This is me inside of his head telling you what
I think he's so.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I have a very different view of Merrick Garland, right,
this is just based on his actions. I think Merrick
Garland is the guy who was willing to go along
with the parents at the teacher meetings, at the school
board meetings are domestic terrorists and need to be investigated.
I think Merrick Garland is a guy who is deeply
embittered to this day because of the bet that really
(05:24):
the Democrats gave to the Republicans, which is, you know,
or Mitch McConnell decided that he wasn't going to get
the upper down vote in the end of the Obama administration,
and they figured, oh, fine, Merrick Garland, that was our
moderate pick, which wasn't even true. Just as an aside,
but when we have President Hillary, we're going to get
(05:45):
a really great judge in there. And he lost out.
And I think he's bitter about that. So I don't
know that he's somebody who at this point, I mean
even people. I'll tell you this, Anny McCarthy, our friend
who comes on, you'll know him Fox News, Southern District
prosecutor for decades. He was a Merrick Garlands pretty I
talked about this many years ago. He's like a Merck
Garland's pretty close to being a moderate. If we got
(06:08):
Andy on now, based on what he's done under the
Biden administration.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
He'd say Merrick Garland is a hack.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Okay, that's you know, so I think things have changed
that take I get totally buck. And again, what I'm
thinking is Merrick Garland is what is he like? Sixty five?
That's my guess. Staff can let us know exactly how
old he is. My point on that is he's not
a young man who's got a long career. This is
probably the last job that he's ever going to have,
and so in his mind, and again this is me
(06:35):
trying to get in Merrick Garland's mind. You guys out
there may think this is crazy. I'm just telling you.
Having spent time around older lawyers, they start to think
a great deal about their legacy and the legacy is
often defined by the precedents that they set, that future
attorney generals will look at, that future lawyers will study.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
In law school.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Right, I think he is desperately concerned about what his
legacy is. And if he just he's gonna turn seventy one,
he's even older than I thought. He's gonna be seventy
one in November.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I also charging a charging the leading Republican presidential contender
who's a former president, and charging the sitting president's crackhead
son is not the same thing.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's not in the same.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Universe, even apart from even apart from the crimes, even
apart from everything else.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
So I don't understand this.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Doesn't the argument of like if he was sitting around
with the fancy lawyers in the smoke filled room and
he's like, see you guys, I'm so even handed.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
That argument's preposterous. And I don't even think he really
cares it matters to him. And if he's seventy one
and this is the last job that he's ever gonna have,
if he's going to undertake a truly unprecedented act, I
think he wants the fig leaf of I applied justice
evenly whether it was the president's son or it was
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the president of the United States. I'm telling you that
I think this is gonna be his talking point. And
if I'm wrong and he's gonna be totally partisan, like
I think Trump's gonna get charged, but I think he
wants that fig leaf. I think that's also why they
like the fact that Mike Pence had classified docsbuck, because
they're also going to say, and we're not just charging
Trump because he's a Republican. Mike Pence is a Republican
(08:13):
running for president. He had classified documents too, but he
handled it the right way. Double fig leafs.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I don't think they need fig leafs. I don't think
he cares. I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Hold hold on, oh wait, hold on, Hold on a second,
Hold on a second. So the Mike Pence thing and
that Joe Biden classified documents are effectively exactly the same.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
So no person would look at what happened.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
They had some some loose documents, you know, around that
were not secure.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
That's it classified.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Those charges, or rather those circumstances for charges, are for
all intents and purposes, exactly the same. So it is
impossible to even pretend that there's a rule of law.
If you're going to charge Mike Pence and not charge
Joe Biden for it, They're not going to charge Trump
for the documents, as we all know. The belief is,
(09:05):
and maybe they don't charge him at all.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
We don't know, but.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
People are thinking that it's gonna be charges, and it's
gonna be around obstruction of the documents. Now, assuming that
that's true, they'll just say the obstruction is the problem,
not the rest of it. And I also just thin Clay,
this has been building for a long time. It's remarkable
when you think about how many Republican politicians have faced
(09:31):
either investigation of a criminal nature or even a prosecution
that's completely outrageous and obviously partisan. Him and you go
down the lit Chris Christy, who's running member Bridgegate. They
got to lock him up. It's horrible what he did
with the traffic jam, Scott Walker, the John Doe investigations,
Rick Perry wanting to fire a prosecutor who was drunk driving.
(09:52):
It's felony abuse of power. Bob McDonald and Virginia when
he was the governor. The Supreme Court had to say,
can't actually just throw someone in prison because he was
hanging out with somebody like that's not really a thing.
Of course, Russia Trump collusion and all that with a
special council, they have been building to this for over
a decade and this this is actually perfect transition. What
(10:15):
does Gavin Newsom's fall back when he's getting into this
public spat with Ron DeSantis kidnapping charges. There have been
a couple of flights, a couple of flights of migrants
that have ended up in Sacramento, California, and the Governor
of California has said openly, Now, I mean, this is
(10:38):
the feud that is spilling out into you know, into
into public view for everybody. The headline here is Newsom
threatens to Santis with kidnapping charges over migrant flights to Sacramento, Clay.
This has become completely normalized for Democrats. Now instead of
Newsom saying my policies are better than yours, it's maybe
we're going to try to extradite the governor of Florida
(10:59):
to California under kidnapping charges. Also, offering someone a free
ride is not kidnapping. This is you don't have to
be a lawyer to get this one.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
This is crazy well, this is a uh, this is
a preview of twenty twenty eight. Gavin Newsom is obsessed
fatal attraction style with Ron DeSantis. Like go look at
Gavin Newsom's twitter feed. He is constantly responding to everything
Ron DeSantis does. And maybe it's in the event that
(11:29):
Biden doesn't run, and in the event that something happens
with Trump in charges and everybody expects that we're gonna
get Trump Biden part two. But Buck, in the event
that we end up with something different than that, I
think a DeSantis versus Newsome matchup is not out of
the question. And and here Buck is a upper deck.
(11:50):
Here is a called shot, the likes of which you
have not ever comet shot. I'm gonna going into this
all right, I'm gonna tease this. If I get this right,
we got to think about what sort of payoff this
would be. This is like hitting a parlay. For those
of you who are gamblers, this is like hitting a
sixteen parlay. I have got an incredible theory that I
(12:14):
am going to share with you surrounding these allegations and
criminal investigations and everything else on the next segment.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And we're gonna start we're gonna start clipping all of
these moments, and we're gonna start betting things. I don't know,
Clay has to do the show with a mustache for
six months instead of his.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Beer PGA thing. I'm just I'm just saying, it's a
good day.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I didn't even that's you know, there's no opposition of
that one, even care less. I'm glad you nail that,
though you did nail it. Although they're saying that Trump
nailed did Clay, So let's not let's not for Trump?
Is that great mind? Sometimes think alike? As we well know.
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Speaker 2 (14:09):
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
In Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. All right, Buck, are
you prepared for the greatest potential called shot maybe in
the history of radio. Some are saying some are saying me.
Some are saying, this may be the greatest called shot
in the history of radio. Getting Trumpy too, I like this.
(14:32):
Getting Trumpy Trumpy too Trump like. I will say this,
There's been a huge debate in the audience, huge debate
on the show about Joe Biden as a twenty twenty
four contender. What if the way out for Biden is
through Hunter being charged with a crime. He decides to
(14:55):
pardon Hut. Hunter also decides to pardon Trump as his
fig leaf justification of how nasty our politics has become.
Says that he has done his best to help to
mend the tears in the nation, but that he believes
for the betterment of the country, it is important that
(15:16):
he stepped down, but he wants to try to fulfill
his campaign pledge to return normalcy and decorum, and therefore
he has decided both President Trump and his son should
be pardoned of all federal crimes and he will not
run going forward. This is a statesman like exit for
(15:39):
him that simultaneously protects his son. It would be negotiated
with Merrit Garland in advance, so Merrick Garland knows that
this is actually going to get wiped out, but it
allows Merrick Garland to also wag his figure and talk
about no one being above the law. Everybody wins.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Think about it, I think you've seen a lot of
Aaron Sorkin movies. My man, I'm sorry. I think these
lunatic libs are gonna go scorch Drith and burn down
the Republic before any of that stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
You would still have the New York and Georgia. And
that's what a lot of people are forgetting, because the
federal charges are potentially just a pin prick of the
problem that Donald Trump is going to face overall. But
if there were.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
New York, he's not New York. He's not gonna there's
no prison that's gonna happen with the New York charge.
I just can't imagine, right. And I think Georgia. We
talked to Andy about this McCarthy last week. George is
pretty weak really because if it is just if it's
advancing illegal theory, no matter how much they hate a
legal theory, if you criminalize that, you know what's next,
(16:47):
criminalizing somebody having a legal defense when they're accused of
a crime. It's it's crazy. So I think that a
big part of it, Clay is just going to be
they're doing this to impune him, and they're doing this
to mess up the gears of the Trump campaign. That's
their plan. The process is the punishment. One of the
(17:08):
most important things to know about American politics and American
life these days, and they're just going to try to
grind him down with court appearances and nonsense while he
and of course MSNBC and cnn'll be saying, are you know,
alleged fellon Republican nominee and all the you know, fake
and sanctimonious nonsense. So that's how I see it playing out.
(17:29):
But if you're if you're right on this, I don't
even know what to say. We got to get you
a crystal ball and like one of those.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Well, you know, I would just yeah, monocle and everything else.
I would love to hear from Bill Barr, because my
idea is, when you're the former attorney general, those guys
all get together and they have scotches or whatever it is,
and they don't want to be looked at as a
partisan loon. I really do believe that matters to these guys,
and that's why I'm trying to get a Meeric Garland's head.
(17:55):
I understand some of you don't agree, but I'm trying
to project what he's going to do.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
There's an idea.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
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welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton show. We're joined now.
Cool guest. He's in our New York City studio. You
(19:06):
can watch him, I believe, on video if you are
one of our VIP subscribers. Coach Bill Courtney, who just
launched a new podcast on iHeart called an Army of
Normal Folks. He's also the subject and I love this movie.
Some of you may have seen it. Won an OSCAR
in Documentary the documentary category called Undefeated, author of Against
(19:28):
the Grain, and I want to start Coach with the
movie Undefeated for those of you out there who are
looking for something that you might want to watch with
your family. If you haven't seen this, it's the story
of Bill and a inner city Memphis team and their
quest to try to win a state championship. And really
you see the degree to which and this is why
(19:50):
I was so fired up about COVID shutting down so
many schools. A huge percentage of boys, And I know
a lot of you out there listening know exactly what
I'm talking about, and I want you to explain it
for people who may.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Not see Coach.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
A huge percentage of boys out there, especially in inner cities,
stay in school so they can play sports. I mean,
that's just the truth. And you hope the light bulb
is going to go off at some point, basketball, football,
but whatever the sport is. Coach, what did you see
and how important when that movie Undefeated came out, which
won an Oscar and it's fabulous. I encourage you guys
(20:22):
all to watch it. How much does just playing a
sport help to keep so many kids out there on
the straight and narrow and even enrolled in school period.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Well, it's the hook. I mean, I can't tell you
how many people have come to me and said, you know,
I've tried to do this, I've tried to do that.
How do I reach this segment of people or this
segment of people? And the answer is you got to
have a hook? And the hook for me was football.
And you're absolutely right. A lot of kids, obviously they
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have it backwards. They're not in school to play football,
they're in school to learn. But the true candor is
the football is the hook, and that hook gives you
an opportunity to reach them on things that will hopefully
last long after football ins.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Coach Bill, it's buck, thanks for being with us. So
Clay has been it thank you, thank you. Clay has
been educating me on this PGA Live merger. A lot
of big headlines all across the internet. Some people very
very fired up over this.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
What do you think? I mean, you're a guy who
knows sports, what's going on? You know?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I think it's a pot purry of gravy and mashed
potatoes mixed up with egos that God only knows what
that's going to taste like when it's over with. Frankly,
I mean, it's a lot of money, a lot of ego,
a lot of posturing.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
And.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
You know, it's amazing. It's almost like politics, how people
can sit there and tell one another how bad they
don't like each other and how much they distrust each
other and how evil one another are, and then somehow
turn around and end up in a in a bowl together. Yeah,
(22:11):
I don't, I don't know. I think I think people
should check their egos at the door a little bit
and avoid some of what those guys are going through
right now.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And would you tell us what you launched a podcast
on iHeart last month an army actually normal.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Actually today, guys today, I'm yeah, I've been working on
it for a year, actually doing interviews and all, but
the first launch today on iHeart and it's yeah, it's
an army of normal folks, And yeah, it kind of
sounds goofy, but that is in all of our urban areas.
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We drive around the cities and there's these exits or
or all ramps or viaducts where you really don't want
your call to break down, or you have a flat tire,
and you kind of look over the edge of the
viaduct as you pass by, and you think, man, somebody
ought to do something about that one day, as you
kind of peer down at the despair and the disenfranchisement,
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the poverty, and the brokenness that continues to plague our
society and culture today, as if that sentiment matters. And
I don't think the sentiment means a damn thing, Frankly.
I think you got to tilt that review mirror about
thirty degrees and look yourself in the face and say,
you know, I ought to do something about that one day.
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I think government has proven woefully inadequate in caring for
the most disadvantaged among us. I think it becomes paternalistic.
I think we strip people of the dignity and value
of hard work, and I think the more government, the worse.
And I think you can say that, but you hypore
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critical to say that if then you're not willing to
get off your butt and go do something in your
communities about things that that that you can that you
can do. And so we've created this podcast called an
Army of Normal Folks and we are interviewing I just
don't think the world's problems are going to be solved
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by fancy people on Fox and CNN using big words
that nobody understands. I just I think I think we
have a lot of dysfunction in DC. And you know,
we have sought out average, normal folks who have done
extraordinary things in their communities, and we're telling those stories.
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And we're not telling those stories in a Hallmark way
with a pretty bow wrapped up on it. All of
us have failures and inhibitions and goals and dreams and
sadness and excitement our life. And so we kind of
unpack each of these and visuals worlds where they came
from and not why they did something good because they're
(25:05):
so wonderful, but really what they overcame to be active
in their communities societies, And we tell those stories each week,
and the idea is hopefully it's not only redemptive, but inspirational,
and it motivates all of us to say, I don't
care if we're right, left, black, white, green, blue, Christian, Jewish, agnostic, whatever.
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The one thing we all can do together is be
an army of normal folks serving those in our community.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Coach, last question for you, your story Undefeated, and I
would encourage people to check out the podcast at Iheart's
distributing an army of normal folks. But you in the
movie Undefeated spent obviously a huge part of that story
is Memphis right What can you tell us about what's
going on in the ground in Memphis right now? This
show is number one, I believe in the Memphis area.
(25:57):
Tons of people are listening there right now. Memphis has
had a brutal past several years. Your story was before COVID,
several years before, but the struggles of the city has
been going through were certainly epitomized in that story. What
is the city of Memphis like now and what needs
to happen in order for Memphis to get back to
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being a place that frankly is safe and that allows
as many kids as possible to have productive futures.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Memphis is a cool place. First of all, I don't
want to rail on Memphis. I mean lots of culture,
lots of history, music, barbecue, FedEx World headquarters, is there,
international paper, AutoZone. Memphis has a lot going for it,
but you're absolutely right, it has a lot going against it.
And candidly, guys, I would love to be able to
(26:48):
join you all for two hours and talk every political
bit you guys can come up with. And I do
listen to you, and I know I love it. But
what I'm about to say is really not very sexy,
but it's just true. Until we start educating our children,
we are going to continue to have problems in our cities.
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And education is really not a sexy buzzword. It's not
something that ever ticks in the top ten of politicians
worlds when they're out campaigning. But it's just true. And
the other truth to that is we all have a
problem with it. School Boards are typically elected, and so
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we have a problem with our school boards. We have
a problem with our teachers and school unions. We have
a problem with our parents, we have a problem with
our administrators. We have a problem and we sit there
and we see our city's tax bases dwindle because we
continue not to graduate productive citizens that are adding to
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that tax base. And we see crime being committed by
younger and younger and younger people. It should be in
high school or haven't been in high school, orren't learning anything.
And we sit around and talk about what are we
going to do? And meanwhile, we all are complicit in
a really poorly educated public. And until we get serious
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about taking care of our kids, we're going to continue
to perpetuate generational poverty and crime. And I think Memphis
is suffering from that, but I also think so do
many muchropolitan areas around our country, and it gets worse
and worse until we get serious about it, I fear
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we're going to continue to suffer the consequences of that
inaction on our part.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
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Speaker 2 (30:30):
Hoosen them shop here on Clay and Buck for the day.
And I want to remind you all check out the
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We also have additional content that goes in that stream.
So even if you're listening on one of our fantastic
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it seems to me.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
That you are going to be out for a few
days here are you? Is this a.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Couple's retreat and have you seen the Couple's Retreat movie.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I've not seen the movies. Yeah, I'm going out. You
may have heard of this place. I've never been. It's
in East Tennessee called BlackBerry Farms, and I always wanted
to go to. Yeah, it's supposedly really nice. I've never been.
Two of my buddies from law school and their wives
they all put this trip together. So I'm gonna be
out there, and honestly, I mean giving people a little
(31:46):
bit behind the scenes. I told you, I was like, hey,
just so you know, it wouldn't stun me if Trump
got charged, and so I told you, I was like, hey,
I'll put the I'll put the trip a little bit
on Hayita since not like I'm gonna be unreachable, because
I think this is one of those times when you know,
when you wake up and put pick up your phone
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in the morning, like you have no idea what might
happen during the course of the day.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I mean, if you and and Laura missus Travis are
getting Shiatsu's and you run out in your robe on
the cell phone to call into the show. Clay, we
got it, buddy, don't worry about it. We're gonna have
it covered one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I've never gotten a massage in my life. No, I've
never been in one of the I mean, I've obviously
stayed at hotels that have massage parlors or whatever you
want to call it. I've never been to a spa.
I've never gotten a massage, never had a pedicure, manicure
like hot wax treatment, any of that's I've never done
any of it. So I haven't even I've seen a
(32:46):
movies and TV shows and whatnot, but I've never had
any of that experience. I'm I'm honestly, I'm done. Here's
another good question of our audience. Has had a massage?
And I'm not talking about like the Robert Kraft style
massage where you pull up in a strip mall. I'm
talking about like a legitimate uh you know, like tissue
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massage or whatever you want to call it. Oh, man,
I would guess half. I would you think people more
likely massage than golfed.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I think I think probably more because remember the first
of all, the women women like getting massages to more
women like massages.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Sorry, I think most women have had a massage. At
some point, you know, yeah, Clay's moving the goal posts
and if we're going to mark down all these all
these crazy Clay predictions today even no goal post moving
on any of that, I can assure you, Clay. I
think that the way that most people get introduced to
massage is when they're on vacation. The spa is and
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and I'm telling you, like, if you go to see
at this fancy place is a very nice place in
eastern Tennessee where you're going couple's massage, which is great.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And I'm gonna tell I'm gonna text Laura and say
that she has to say you have to go get
a massage. You too need to go and do this.
You will love it. It is amazing. I'm not leading
you astray, but man, they're like it's expensive at these resorts,
for sure. They definitely That's one way they run up
the bill on you real fast. The spots treatment. Now
(34:17):
I'm sending like a guy who spends a lot of
time in spos, which is not true. But I do
like a good massage.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Our producer Ali just said again, congratulations to Ali. We
talked about this. She's back in and the studio after
having gotten married. She said, our new husband, Gerard would
give me a massage. He's excellent at it. I don't
want a man to touch me like that. Well, he's
professionally trained. Wait, professionally trained, I think I would. I've
never had a massage before. I think I would only
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get one from a woman. I don't think I want
a man like rubbing all over me, but I don't
know what he usually gets. Even I always choose the
female masseuse.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I will tell you that even within massage officionado world,
there are guys who they they they think that you know,
they don't care, and there are other guys who only
like a lady massuse.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
So a massur, I suppose would be the mail version.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
So if I don't know, I have not had a
a massur, I've only gone massuse.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
It's rare that my jaw drops when I look down
at the text exchange here and Ali is opening up
offering up her new husband to give me a massage.
I'm like, well, I don't I don't even know what
to say hardly to this this offering Ali. I mean,
you know, she's rolling right in, like my husband will
just give you a massage, Like I don't know how
I feel about all this.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
He's a professional, he's licensed, he's been and it's all true,
by the way.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
But that's the thing, like.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It's I'm Clay, it is you're doing boxing, like you're
doing some physical activity these days. You know, I'm I
gotta we gotta text Laura. We have to tell missus
Clay Travis that you guys need a couple's massage in
eastern Tennessee and you need to report back.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
And don't worry. I'm not gonna throw any keg parties
while you're gone.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
If if they indict Trump, I'm gonna hop into the
fox hole and do everything I can to fight for
Trump and for for justice in America. You need to
go and drink some mint julips and get your shoulders rubbed, buddy,
That's what you have to do.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I'm boxing three days a week now. One of the
best workouts there is. I love it. Never had the massage,
So now now I'm intrigued. Should I go get a massage?
And is it uncomfortable? And is it awkward? Do you
get asked of a male or female like how does
that work?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
It's oh that part of a uh yeah, usually you specify,
but think of it like if you're rocky and mix
in the corner. He's like, get in there, rocket, He's
like pounding your shoulders. It's a little bit like that,
except more music with wind chimes, and you know you're
wearing like a tiny.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Towel, but it's very similar. I love that Buck is
just mister massage. He's out massages all the time. I've
really never been to one.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast, kicking off our.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Three of Clay and Buck right now, everybody, thanks.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
For rolling with us.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
A couple of things we're gonna get to this hour.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
The Trump prediction about live golf and the PGA that's
getting a lot of play now, Clay, I see this
a prediction that our owned Clay Travis also made last
before Trump.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I give credit to Trump, but my prediction on Fox
News was a full month before his prediction. Great minds
can think alike. Just FYI, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Let you and the Trumpster fight that out at the
seventeenth hole. That's up to you, guys, next time you're
playing golf together. But Trump is predicting as well. Speaking
of predictions, Hunter Biden will get charged with something small
to make their strike on me look fair. I'm starting
to think that some of Trump world is listening to
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the radio show here, buddy. But can I just say,
for Clarity's sake before for settle with the victory. I
can already see the victory dance. You know, he's about
to start getting going. I have always said that their
plan is to do something that just means no jail,
that the special treatment will be deferred prosecution, something that
doesn't involve any prison time. That is the if they
(01:20):
go for prison time, I'm wrong. If Hunter spends time
in prison, I miss this one.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
So I think Trump is probably right on this.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
But do they feel they need that to balance it out?
Clay Well, Maggie Haberman of The New York Times is
talking about sources telling her in Trump World that Trump.
Now this is from the New York Times, so take
it for what it's worth. But Maggie Haberman has had
a lot of access to Trump and Trump World. That's
(01:51):
just a fact that Trump expects that there will be
federal charges against him in the mar lagu documents case too.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So what do you make of all of it.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, we've said for a while that we think there
are going to be charges against Trump, and some people
get mad when we say we think they're going to
be charges against Trump. Understand, this is not Buck and
myself making decisions for the Department of Justice about whether
or not to charge. This also is not us saying,
by the way, Joe Biden's alleged crimes are far worse. Right,
(02:23):
We agree with all that I'm just I believe you
referred to my prediction, and I don't know when I
first made it, but it might have been a year
ago that Hunter Biden would get charged and it would
be the fig leaf that allowed the Department of Justice
to argue that Merrick Garland that he would say, whether
you're the son of the president or the former president,
(02:45):
nobody's above the law. And I'm not sure what the
significance of the charges would be against Hunter. I think
that Trump is right, and I think I've said I'm
not saying they're going to try to lock the key
and throw him away, right, But I believe Buck I'm correct. Again,
we can go to the transcript. I believe you said
that was the equivalent of not just calling a home run,
but calling a home run in the absolute upper deck
(03:07):
of the stadium, that you were going to plant the
ball there. I think it's the way they're going to
do it. And this is me trying to get inside
of Merrick Garland's head and if he is truly undertaking
what is an unprecedented, in my opinion, unjustifiable expansion of
political warfare that we've never seen in two hundred plus
years in this country to try to put your chief
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political adversary in prison, using the Department of Justice and
the FBI to do so, of the sitting American president,
he and his mind buck as a lawyer, has to
convince himself that this is a justified action and that
Trump's behavior is so egregious it's worthy of doing so.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But he wouldn't have to think of this in terms
of trade offs. If no one's above the law, it
doesn't matter whether this is done to Hunter Biden or not.
If Trump broke the law. No one's above the law.
So I don't see it as as a It's not
a legal rationale. It's a political rationale masquerading as a
legal rationale.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Okay, it's it's a great point. And here's what I
would say. I know a lot of lawyers who care
desperately what other lawyers think about them. You know, you
know how a profession sometimes judges itself more aggressively than
it does like the general public. There are lots of lawyers,
and Merrick Garland as one, that want to be extremely
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esteemed by other members of the bar. And I think
in his mind, again, this is me trying to get
in Merrick Garland the Attorney general's mind. If he just
charges Trump, it looks like he is just the hatchet
man of Joe Biden, and I doesn't want that buck.
I think he wants this idea of I am he
(04:56):
wanted to be a Supreme Court just r this play.
This is me inside of his head telling you what
I think he's so.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I have a very different view of Merrick Garland, right,
this is just based on his actions. I think Merrick
Garland is the guy who was willing to go along
with the parents at the teacher meetings, at the school
board meetings are domestic terrorists and need to be investigated.
I think Merrick Garland is a guy who is deeply
embittered to this day because of the bet that really
(05:24):
the Democrats gave to the Republicans, which is, you know,
or Mitch McConnell decided that he wasn't going to get
the upper down vote in the end of the Obama administration,
and they figured, oh, fine, Merrick Garland, that was our
moderate pick, which wasn't even true. Just as an aside,
but when we have President Hillary, we're going to get
(05:45):
a really great judge in there. And he lost out.
And I think he's bitter about that. So I don't
know that he's somebody who at this point, I mean
even people. I'll tell you this, Anny McCarthy, our friend
who comes on, you'll know him Fox News, Southern District
prosecutor for decades. He was a Merrick Garlands pretty I
talked about this many years ago. He's like a Merck
Garland's pretty close to being a moderate. If we got
(06:08):
Andy on now, based on what he's done under the
Biden administration.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
He'd say Merrick Garland is a hack.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Okay, that's you know, so I think things have changed
that take I get totally buck. And again, what I'm
thinking is Merrick Garland is what is he like? Sixty five?
That's my guess. Staff can let us know exactly how
old he is. My point on that is he's not
a young man who's got a long career. This is
probably the last job that he's ever going to have,
and so in his mind, and again this is me
(06:35):
trying to get in Merrick Garland's mind. You guys out
there may think this is crazy. I'm just telling you.
Having spent time around older lawyers, they start to think
a great deal about their legacy and the legacy is
often defined by the precedents that they set, that future
attorney generals will look at, that future lawyers will study.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
In law school.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Right, I think he is desperately concerned about what his
legacy is. And if he just he's gonna turn seventy one,
he's even older than I thought. He's gonna be seventy
one in November.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I also charging a charging the leading Republican presidential contender
who's a former president, and charging the sitting president's crackhead
son is not the same thing.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's not in the same.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Universe, even apart from even apart from the crimes, even
apart from everything else.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
So I don't understand this.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Doesn't the argument of like if he was sitting around
with the fancy lawyers in the smoke filled room and
he's like, see you guys, I'm so even handed.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
That argument's preposterous. And I don't even think he really
cares it matters to him. And if he's seventy one
and this is the last job that he's ever gonna have,
if he's going to undertake a truly unprecedented act, I
think he wants the fig leaf of I applied justice
evenly whether it was the president's son or it was
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the president of the United States. I'm telling you that
I think this is gonna be his talking point. And
if I'm wrong and he's gonna be totally partisan, like
I think Trump's gonna get charged, but I think he
wants that fig leaf. I think that's also why they
like the fact that Mike Pence had classified docsbuck, because
they're also going to say, and we're not just charging
Trump because he's a Republican. Mike Pence is a Republican
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running for president. He had classified documents too, but he
handled it the right way. Double fig leafs.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I don't think they need fig leafs. I don't think
he cares. I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Hold hold on, oh wait, hold on, Hold on a second,
Hold on a second. So the Mike Pence thing and
that Joe Biden classified documents are effectively exactly the same.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
So no person would look at what happened.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
They had some some loose documents, you know, around that
were not secure.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
That's it classified.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Those charges, or rather those circumstances for charges, are for
all intents and purposes, exactly the same. So it is
impossible to even pretend that there's a rule of law.
If you're going to charge Mike Pence and not charge
Joe Biden for it, They're not going to charge Trump
for the documents, as we all know. The belief is,
(09:05):
and maybe they don't charge him at all.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
We don't know, but.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
People are thinking that it's gonna be charges, and it's
gonna be around obstruction of the documents. Now, assuming that
that's true, they'll just say the obstruction is the problem,
not the rest of it. And I also just thin Clay,
this has been building for a long time. It's remarkable
when you think about how many Republican politicians have faced
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either investigation of a criminal nature or even a prosecution
that's completely outrageous and obviously partisan. Him and you go
down the lit Chris Christy, who's running member Bridgegate. They
got to lock him up. It's horrible what he did
with the traffic jam, Scott Walker, the John Doe investigations,
Rick Perry wanting to fire a prosecutor who was drunk driving.
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It's felony abuse of power. Bob McDonald and Virginia when
he was the governor. The Supreme Court had to say,
can't actually just throw someone in prison because he was
hanging out with somebody like that's not really a thing.
Of course, Russia Trump collusion and all that with a
special council, they have been building to this for over
a decade and this this is actually perfect transition. What
(10:15):
does Gavin Newsom's fall back when he's getting into this
public spat with Ron DeSantis kidnapping charges. There have been
a couple of flights, a couple of flights of migrants
that have ended up in Sacramento, California, and the Governor
of California has said openly, Now, I mean, this is
(10:38):
the feud that is spilling out into you know, into
into public view for everybody. The headline here is Newsom
threatens to Santis with kidnapping charges over migrant flights to Sacramento, Clay.
This has become completely normalized for Democrats. Now instead of
Newsom saying my policies are better than yours, it's maybe
we're going to try to extradite the governor of Florida
(10:59):
to California under kidnapping charges. Also, offering someone a free
ride is not kidnapping. This is you don't have to
be a lawyer to get this one.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
This is crazy well, this is a uh, this is
a preview of twenty twenty eight. Gavin Newsom is obsessed
fatal attraction style with Ron DeSantis. Like go look at
Gavin Newsom's twitter feed. He is constantly responding to everything
Ron DeSantis does. And maybe it's in the event that
(11:29):
Biden doesn't run, and in the event that something happens
with Trump in charges and everybody expects that we're gonna
get Trump Biden part two. But Buck, in the event
that we end up with something different than that, I
think a DeSantis versus Newsome matchup is not out of
the question. And and here Buck is a upper deck.
(11:50):
Here is a called shot, the likes of which you
have not ever comet shot. I'm gonna going into this
all right, I'm gonna tease this. If I get this right,
we got to think about what sort of payoff this
would be. This is like hitting a parlay. For those
of you who are gamblers, this is like hitting a
sixteen parlay. I have got an incredible theory that I
(12:14):
am going to share with you surrounding these allegations and
criminal investigations and everything else on the next segment.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And we're gonna start we're gonna start clipping all of
these moments, and we're gonna start betting things. I don't know,
Clay has to do the show with a mustache for
six months instead of his.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Beer PGA thing. I'm just I'm just saying, it's a
good day.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I didn't even that's you know, there's no opposition of
that one, even care less. I'm glad you nail that,
though you did nail it. Although they're saying that Trump
nailed did Clay, So let's not let's not for Trump?
Is that great mind? Sometimes think alike? As we well know.
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The front Lines of Truth.
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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
In Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. All right, Buck, are
you prepared for the greatest potential called shot maybe in
the history of radio. Some are saying some are saying me.
Some are saying, this may be the greatest called shot
in the history of radio. Getting Trumpy too, I like this.
(14:32):
Getting Trumpy Trumpy too Trump like. I will say this,
There's been a huge debate in the audience, huge debate
on the show about Joe Biden as a twenty twenty
four contender. What if the way out for Biden is
through Hunter being charged with a crime. He decides to
(14:55):
pardon Hut. Hunter also decides to pardon Trump as his
fig leaf justification of how nasty our politics has become.
Says that he has done his best to help to
mend the tears in the nation, but that he believes
for the betterment of the country, it is important that
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he stepped down, but he wants to try to fulfill
his campaign pledge to return normalcy and decorum, and therefore
he has decided both President Trump and his son should
be pardoned of all federal crimes and he will not
run going forward. This is a statesman like exit for
(15:39):
him that simultaneously protects his son. It would be negotiated
with Merrit Garland in advance, so Merrick Garland knows that
this is actually going to get wiped out, but it
allows Merrick Garland to also wag his figure and talk
about no one being above the law. Everybody wins.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Think about it, I think you've seen a lot of
Aaron Sorkin movies. My man, I'm sorry. I think these
lunatic libs are gonna go scorch Drith and burn down
the Republic before any of that stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
You would still have the New York and Georgia. And
that's what a lot of people are forgetting, because the
federal charges are potentially just a pin prick of the
problem that Donald Trump is going to face overall. But
if there were.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
New York, he's not New York. He's not gonna there's
no prison that's gonna happen with the New York charge.
I just can't imagine, right. And I think Georgia. We
talked to Andy about this McCarthy last week. George is
pretty weak really because if it is just if it's
advancing illegal theory, no matter how much they hate a
legal theory, if you criminalize that, you know what's next,
(16:47):
criminalizing somebody having a legal defense when they're accused of
a crime. It's it's crazy. So I think that a
big part of it, Clay is just going to be
they're doing this to impune him, and they're doing this
to mess up the gears of the Trump campaign. That's
their plan. The process is the punishment. One of the
(17:08):
most important things to know about American politics and American
life these days, and they're just going to try to
grind him down with court appearances and nonsense while he
and of course MSNBC and cnn'll be saying, are you know,
alleged fellon Republican nominee and all the you know, fake
and sanctimonious nonsense. So that's how I see it playing out.
(17:29):
But if you're if you're right on this, I don't
even know what to say. We got to get you
a crystal ball and like one of those.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Well, you know, I would just yeah, monocle and everything else.
I would love to hear from Bill Barr, because my
idea is, when you're the former attorney general, those guys
all get together and they have scotches or whatever it is,
and they don't want to be looked at as a
partisan loon. I really do believe that matters to these guys,
and that's why I'm trying to get a Meeric Garland's head.
(17:55):
I understand some of you don't agree, but I'm trying
to project what he's going to do.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
There's an idea.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
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welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton show. We're joined now.
Cool guest. He's in our New York City studio. You
(19:06):
can watch him, I believe, on video if you are
one of our VIP subscribers. Coach Bill Courtney, who just
launched a new podcast on iHeart called an Army of
Normal Folks. He's also the subject and I love this movie.
Some of you may have seen it. Won an OSCAR
in Documentary the documentary category called Undefeated, author of Against
(19:28):
the Grain, and I want to start Coach with the
movie Undefeated for those of you out there who are
looking for something that you might want to watch with
your family. If you haven't seen this, it's the story
of Bill and a inner city Memphis team and their
quest to try to win a state championship. And really
you see the degree to which and this is why
(19:50):
I was so fired up about COVID shutting down so
many schools. A huge percentage of boys, And I know
a lot of you out there listening know exactly what
I'm talking about, and I want you to explain it
for people who may.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Not see Coach.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
A huge percentage of boys out there, especially in inner cities,
stay in school so they can play sports. I mean,
that's just the truth. And you hope the light bulb
is going to go off at some point, basketball, football,
but whatever the sport is. Coach, what did you see
and how important when that movie Undefeated came out, which
won an Oscar and it's fabulous. I encourage you guys
(20:22):
all to watch it. How much does just playing a
sport help to keep so many kids out there on
the straight and narrow and even enrolled in school period.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Well, it's the hook. I mean, I can't tell you
how many people have come to me and said, you know,
I've tried to do this, I've tried to do that.
How do I reach this segment of people or this
segment of people? And the answer is you got to
have a hook? And the hook for me was football.
And you're absolutely right. A lot of kids, obviously they
(20:52):
have it backwards. They're not in school to play football,
they're in school to learn. But the true candor is
the football is the hook, and that hook gives you
an opportunity to reach them on things that will hopefully
last long after football ins.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Coach Bill, it's buck, thanks for being with us. So
Clay has been it thank you, thank you. Clay has
been educating me on this PGA Live merger. A lot
of big headlines all across the internet. Some people very
very fired up over this.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
What do you think? I mean, you're a guy who
knows sports, what's going on? You know?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I think it's a pot purry of gravy and mashed
potatoes mixed up with egos that God only knows what
that's going to taste like when it's over with. Frankly,
I mean, it's a lot of money, a lot of ego,
a lot of posturing.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
And.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
You know, it's amazing. It's almost like politics, how people
can sit there and tell one another how bad they
don't like each other and how much they distrust each
other and how evil one another are, and then somehow
turn around and end up in a in a bowl together. Yeah,
(22:11):
I don't, I don't know. I think I think people
should check their egos at the door a little bit
and avoid some of what those guys are going through
right now.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And would you tell us what you launched a podcast
on iHeart last month an army actually normal.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Actually today, guys today, I'm yeah, I've been working on
it for a year, actually doing interviews and all, but
the first launch today on iHeart and it's yeah, it's
an army of normal folks, And yeah, it kind of
sounds goofy, but that is in all of our urban areas.
(22:52):
We drive around the cities and there's these exits or
or all ramps or viaducts where you really don't want
your call to break down, or you have a flat tire,
and you kind of look over the edge of the
viaduct as you pass by, and you think, man, somebody
ought to do something about that one day, as you
kind of peer down at the despair and the disenfranchisement,
(23:15):
the poverty, and the brokenness that continues to plague our
society and culture today, as if that sentiment matters. And
I don't think the sentiment means a damn thing, Frankly.
I think you got to tilt that review mirror about
thirty degrees and look yourself in the face and say,
you know, I ought to do something about that one day.
(23:39):
I think government has proven woefully inadequate in caring for
the most disadvantaged among us. I think it becomes paternalistic.
I think we strip people of the dignity and value
of hard work, and I think the more government, the worse.
And I think you can say that, but you hypore
(24:00):
critical to say that if then you're not willing to
get off your butt and go do something in your
communities about things that that that you can that you
can do. And so we've created this podcast called an
Army of Normal Folks and we are interviewing I just
don't think the world's problems are going to be solved
(24:20):
by fancy people on Fox and CNN using big words
that nobody understands. I just I think I think we
have a lot of dysfunction in DC. And you know,
we have sought out average, normal folks who have done
extraordinary things in their communities, and we're telling those stories.
(24:43):
And we're not telling those stories in a Hallmark way
with a pretty bow wrapped up on it. All of
us have failures and inhibitions and goals and dreams and
sadness and excitement our life. And so we kind of
unpack each of these and visuals worlds where they came
from and not why they did something good because they're
(25:05):
so wonderful, but really what they overcame to be active
in their communities societies, And we tell those stories each week,
and the idea is hopefully it's not only redemptive, but inspirational,
and it motivates all of us to say, I don't
care if we're right, left, black, white, green, blue, Christian, Jewish, agnostic, whatever.
(25:28):
The one thing we all can do together is be
an army of normal folks serving those in our community.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Coach, last question for you, your story Undefeated, and I
would encourage people to check out the podcast at Iheart's
distributing an army of normal folks. But you in the
movie Undefeated spent obviously a huge part of that story
is Memphis right What can you tell us about what's
going on in the ground in Memphis right now? This
show is number one, I believe in the Memphis area.
(25:57):
Tons of people are listening there right now. Memphis has
had a brutal past several years. Your story was before COVID,
several years before, but the struggles of the city has
been going through were certainly epitomized in that story. What
is the city of Memphis like now and what needs
to happen in order for Memphis to get back to
(26:17):
being a place that frankly is safe and that allows
as many kids as possible to have productive futures.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Memphis is a cool place. First of all, I don't
want to rail on Memphis. I mean lots of culture,
lots of history, music, barbecue, FedEx World headquarters, is there,
international paper, AutoZone. Memphis has a lot going for it,
but you're absolutely right, it has a lot going against it.
And candidly, guys, I would love to be able to
(26:48):
join you all for two hours and talk every political
bit you guys can come up with. And I do
listen to you, and I know I love it. But
what I'm about to say is really not very sexy,
but it's just true. Until we start educating our children,
we are going to continue to have problems in our cities.
(27:11):
And education is really not a sexy buzzword. It's not
something that ever ticks in the top ten of politicians
worlds when they're out campaigning. But it's just true. And
the other truth to that is we all have a
problem with it. School Boards are typically elected, and so
(27:31):
we have a problem with our school boards. We have
a problem with our teachers and school unions. We have
a problem with our parents, we have a problem with
our administrators. We have a problem and we sit there
and we see our city's tax bases dwindle because we
continue not to graduate productive citizens that are adding to
(27:51):
that tax base. And we see crime being committed by
younger and younger and younger people. It should be in
high school or haven't been in high school, orren't learning anything.
And we sit around and talk about what are we
going to do? And meanwhile, we all are complicit in
a really poorly educated public. And until we get serious
(28:17):
about taking care of our kids, we're going to continue
to perpetuate generational poverty and crime. And I think Memphis
is suffering from that, but I also think so do
many muchropolitan areas around our country, and it gets worse
and worse until we get serious about it, I fear
(28:41):
we're going to continue to suffer the consequences of that
inaction on our part.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Coach Bill, thanks so much for being here. The podcast
is out for everyone to check out. An Army of
Normal Folks launched on iHeart today.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It's out. Go check it out.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Undefeated check that out too, Buck. I think you and
Kerrie would even enjoy that. Put it on the list.
It's inspirational. You'll feel better when you watch it, you've
got kids. It's one that It's an Oscar winning documentary,
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Speaker 2 (30:30):
Hoosen them shop here on Clay and Buck for the day.
And I want to remind you all check out the
podcast that we have here at the Clay and Buck Show.
We also have additional content that goes in that stream.
So even if you're listening on one of our fantastic
affiliates like for example, k t LK FM here in St.
Louis where I am, I'll be hanging out tonight for listening.
(30:52):
I hope you're coming to the event tonight in Saint
Louis where I will be hanging out with everybody who
is there and talking about saving America, which is really
the basis of everything that we do. But the podcast
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interviews to Tutor Dixon podcast. Check it out also, Clay,
(31:14):
it seems to me.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
That you are going to be out for a few
days here are you? Is this a.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Couple's retreat and have you seen the Couple's Retreat movie.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I've not seen the movies. Yeah, I'm going out. You
may have heard of this place. I've never been. It's
in East Tennessee called BlackBerry Farms, and I always wanted
to go to. Yeah, it's supposedly really nice. I've never been.
Two of my buddies from law school and their wives
they all put this trip together. So I'm gonna be
out there, and honestly, I mean giving people a little
(31:46):
bit behind the scenes. I told you, I was like, hey,
just so you know, it wouldn't stun me if Trump
got charged, and so I told you, I was like, hey,
I'll put the I'll put the trip a little bit
on Hayita since not like I'm gonna be unreachable, because
I think this is one of those times when you know,
when you wake up and put pick up your phone
(32:07):
in the morning, like you have no idea what might
happen during the course of the day.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I mean, if you and and Laura missus Travis are
getting Shiatsu's and you run out in your robe on
the cell phone to call into the show. Clay, we
got it, buddy, don't worry about it. We're gonna have
it covered one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I've never gotten a massage in my life. No, I've
never been in one of the I mean, I've obviously
stayed at hotels that have massage parlors or whatever you
want to call it. I've never been to a spa.
I've never gotten a massage, never had a pedicure, manicure
like hot wax treatment, any of that's I've never done
any of it. So I haven't even I've seen a
(32:46):
movies and TV shows and whatnot, but I've never had
any of that experience. I'm I'm honestly, I'm done. Here's
another good question of our audience. Has had a massage?
And I'm not talking about like the Robert Kraft style
massage where you pull up in a strip mall. I'm
talking about like a legitimate uh you know, like tissue
(33:08):
massage or whatever you want to call it. Oh, man,
I would guess half. I would you think people more
likely massage than golfed.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I think I think probably more because remember the first
of all, the women women like getting massages to more
women like massages.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Sorry, I think most women have had a massage. At
some point, you know, yeah, Clay's moving the goal posts
and if we're going to mark down all these all
these crazy Clay predictions today even no goal post moving
on any of that, I can assure you, Clay. I
think that the way that most people get introduced to
massage is when they're on vacation. The spa is and
(33:48):
and I'm telling you, like, if you go to see
at this fancy place is a very nice place in
eastern Tennessee where you're going couple's massage, which is great.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And I'm gonna tell I'm gonna text Laura and say
that she has to say you have to go get
a massage. You too need to go and do this.
You will love it. It is amazing. I'm not leading
you astray, but man, they're like it's expensive at these resorts,
for sure. They definitely That's one way they run up
the bill on you real fast. The spots treatment. Now
(34:17):
I'm sending like a guy who spends a lot of
time in spos, which is not true. But I do
like a good massage.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Our producer Ali just said again, congratulations to Ali. We
talked about this. She's back in and the studio after
having gotten married. She said, our new husband, Gerard would
give me a massage. He's excellent at it. I don't
want a man to touch me like that. Well, he's
professionally trained. Wait, professionally trained, I think I would. I've
never had a massage before. I think I would only
(34:44):
get one from a woman. I don't think I want
a man like rubbing all over me, but I don't
know what he usually gets. Even I always choose the
female masseuse.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I will tell you that even within massage officionado world,
there are guys who they they they think that you know,
they don't care, and there are other guys who only
like a lady massuse.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
So a massur, I suppose would be the mail version.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
So if I don't know, I have not had a
a massur, I've only gone massuse.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
It's rare that my jaw drops when I look down
at the text exchange here and Ali is opening up
offering up her new husband to give me a massage.
I'm like, well, I don't I don't even know what
to say hardly to this this offering Ali. I mean,
you know, she's rolling right in, like my husband will
just give you a massage, Like I don't know how
I feel about all this.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
He's a professional, he's licensed, he's been and it's all true,
by the way.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
But that's the thing, like.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It's I'm Clay, it is you're doing boxing, like you're
doing some physical activity these days. You know, I'm I
gotta we gotta text Laura. We have to tell missus
Clay Travis that you guys need a couple's massage in
eastern Tennessee and you need to report back.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
And don't worry. I'm not gonna throw any keg parties
while you're gone.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
If if they indict Trump, I'm gonna hop into the
fox hole and do everything I can to fight for
Trump and for for justice in America. You need to
go and drink some mint julips and get your shoulders rubbed, buddy,
That's what you have to do.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I'm boxing three days a week now. One of the
best workouts there is. I love it. Never had the massage,
So now now I'm intrigued. Should I go get a massage?
And is it uncomfortable? And is it awkward? Do you
get asked of a male or female like how does
that work?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
It's oh that part of a uh yeah, usually you specify,
but think of it like if you're rocky and mix
in the corner. He's like, get in there, rocket, He's
like pounding your shoulders. It's a little bit like that,
except more music with wind chimes, and you know you're
wearing like a tiny.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Towel, but it's very similar. I love that Buck is
just mister massage. He's out massages all the time. I've
really never been to one.
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