September 15, 2023 • 37 mins
Pelosi, Raskin dance around questions on Kamala Harris. The View's Sunny Hostin says Biden will lose the black vote if he dumps Kamala. Ramaswamy on Hunter Biden. Wall Street Journal Editor at Large Gerard Baker, author of "American Breakdown," joins Clay and Buck to discuss Biden, Trump and rebuilding trust in American institutions. C&B end the week with calls and VIP emails.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Fourteen hours up, fourteen hours down. This is the final
hour of the week. We appreciate all of you who
been hanging out with us for all week long. Encourage
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(00:28):
wherever you may be, indeed around the world. As we
come into the fall and people start to maybe start
to make a little bit of plans for Thanksgiving and Christmas,
and you're looking ahead and believe it or not, it's
going to be here before too long. In fact, we are,
as we were talking about earlier in the show, exactly
four months from the Iowa caucuses, and Donald Trump has
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opened up, according to Fox News, the biggest most substantial
lead of the primary season so far. We've been discussing
what the impact of that might be, and so far, Buck,
there may be more drama, interestingly on the Democrat side
of the Ledger right now than there is on the
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Republican side. Now Trump obviously is a one man drama machine.
So there always are a lot of different stories, and
we got a ton of different candidates running, and so
there have been a lot of stories on the Republican side,
but I would say this week the Democrat side has
been the one with turmoil. And it's not just Joe Biden,
it's also Kamala Harris. And I want to play just
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a few of these cuts because there are a lot
of prominent Democrats that are not saying that they think
Kamala Harris is a good choice. A couple days ago,
Nancy Pelosi, this was with Anderson Cooper on CNN. I
want to refresh it for all of you out there.
She was directly asked, is Kamala Harris the right choice
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at VP? Listen to her answer, the.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Best running mate for this president?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He thinks so, and that's what matters. And by the way,
she's very politically astute. I don't think people give her
enough credit. She's of course values based, consistent with the
president's values in the rest and people don't understand she's
politically so to why would she be vice president? She
were not. People shouldn't underestimate what Colonel harsh brings to
the table. Do you think she is the best running mate?
(02:25):
She's the vice president of the United States, So people
say to me, well, why isn't she doing.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
This or that?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Because she's the vice president. That's the description.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Okay, So Nancy Pelosi is smart, Buck, She's good at
answering questions, a pretty easy question.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
She's good at not answering questions to which we hear.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I mean, Buck, if you were going to go to
a wedding and somebody said, hey, do you think that
this is a good match? Is this husband or this wife?
Is that a good selection? And your response was he
thinks so is that's that's a pretty good shot at
the bride or the groom. When you can be like, yeah,
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she's great, Yeah he's great if somebody says he thinks so.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
This is also Jamie Raskin, who is very high up
in the House leadership as well active speaker.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
All the time.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
He was also asked on CNN is Kamala Harris the
right choice for VP?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
He said this, There didn't seem to be anything wrong
with that answer.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You are doing what Speaker Pelosi did, which is not
answering the question. Do you think Kamala Harris is the
best running made for President Biden. Well, obviously she gave
the right answer.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That's President Biden's choice. It's just a simple question.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Do you think Kamala Harris is the best running made
for President Biden? You've said she's excellent. That's farther than
Speaker Pelosi went. Do you think Kamala Harris is the
best running made for President Biden?
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Or no? I mean, but I don't know what else
I can say other than she.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You can say yes, excellent and an excellent advice.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Say yes, you can say yes, I think Kamala Harris
is the best vice president and the best running mate
for president.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But you might be a stronger vice presidential running mate
than her, or me or anybody else.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Wait, what did that even mean at the end that
that was well, that's a shot at her too, But
why won't they just say yes?
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Buck?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Well, see, this is where I think that they're still
a like. It's like they're waiting to get the orders
from the deer leader on this one. You know, they're
not really sure Pelosi knows that if she says yeah,
she's amazing, And as we discussed, we're reading Tea leaves here.
I don't think Nancy Pelosi likes Kamala Harris. Yes, you
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don't think so either. We don't think she likes We
just don't think she likes her. And when people have
egos this big, they will put whether they like someone
or not ahead of what they think is best for
their party, in this case obviously the Democrat Party. So
what's going on here? I think that there is a
thought out there right now that what that Here's what
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I think the Democrats would like to do, because I've
been mulling this over a lot, because as you know,
I have been on Biden's going to be the nominee.
I have not wavered for that for a day. But
clearly they got to come up with something here because
the age issue, and no one thinks he's going to
make it through a second term as president, like I don't.
That's another poll you should see if Biden were to win.
I'm not saying he will. If Biden were to win,
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would he make it through another four years? I think
a lot of people would say no. So with that
in mind, you would think you will. With that in mind,
what is the plan? The obvious rejoinder from a lot
of people be it's Kamala Harris. I think they're trying
to figure out, is there a way we could artfully,
perhaps gently move aside Kamala as the VP in this
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process and to someone else.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
In Biden because you would then, yes.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Put someone else on the ticket. Now people would say, oh,
you can't. You can't do that with Gavin Newsom. But
if you put a I think the Democrats would have
to find another minority female candidate, yes, and Kamala could
come up. And again, I don't think that this is
going to happen, but I if you hear why they're hesitating,
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there are my bottom line here. I think they're considering
a way to do this because they got to do
something and they don't have other good options.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And it would be.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
How do we get Kamala to say, oh, I'm going
to focus, I'm gonna you know, run for something or other,
I don't know whatever, and have somebody take her spot
for term two of Biden. That's what I think they
would like to figure out how to do. I don't
know if they can get there though.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
That's why the talk was that they might put her
on the Supreme Court instead of Katanji Brown Jackson because
Biden had said we're going to put a black woman
on the Supreme Court, and you could have put Kamala
Harris on. It seemed like she didn't want that job.
And here we make fun of the view a lot
because it's the dumbest show on television.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
We're glad it exists.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Though, Yes, Sonny Houston, I don't know that I've ever
said this before. She's actually one hundred percent right with
this take. Listen to what she said Buck about the
idea of replacing Kamala.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
Over the past five elections where you've had a Democrat
win they needed the black vote, Ninety one percent of
African Americans voted for Biden and will continue to vote
for Biden if Kamala.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Is his running mate.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
I would be very careful President Biden about getting rid
of Kamala Harris, because we will not support you. Wait, wait, no, no,
your opinion is valid and beautiful in all of that.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
But when was the last time you saw anybody get.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Rid of nobody does.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
If Biden gets rid of Kamala Harris and inserts someone else,
he will lose the black vote.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Okay, Okay, Now this is interesting yeah, I think that
she is correct act except for if they were able
to come up with let's say, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like Karen bas I think.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I was gonna say, I don't know if Stacy Abrams
has quite the same you would if you were, if
you're looking at this as a Democrat political strategist, the
only way you could do this would be to replace
Kamala Harris as VP with a black female leader, politician,
et cetera, who polls better within the Democrat Party and
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would bring a little bit more sturdiness and confidence in
the future of a Biden ticket, Right, that's the only
way can they Can they figure that out? Can they
do that? You can tell why is the view talking
about this?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Everybody?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
We're sensing this to the power players the Democrat Party,
there are clearly discussions going on about we got to
think of something, We got to do a game change,
if you will. They go back to the two thousand
and eight eightbo movie, right when they when they went
with Sarah Palin with with John McCain. They thought they'd
mix something up there. I think that they're talking about
it now. That's not the same thing as saying it'll happen.
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But I mean, I didn't even know about that clip.
That's funny that I'm just I was basing it on
the Pelosi and some of the other things that we've seen.
They I think that the belief here is if people,
if enough Democrats and moderates are comfortable with the VP
choice under Biden, his age becomes less of an issue.
Therefore Biden can still safely be the guy for the
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next fifteen months, and that's when that's how they fix
the problem in their minds. But to but what Sonny
Houstin said is true. If the black vote is noticeably,
you know, lacking in turnout for Biden, which I don't
know if you know, who knows what that would happen
if you change the VP, they lose the election, no question,
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full stop.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Black women are the backbone of the Democrat Party. They
vote something like ninety seven to three for Democratic. There
is no demographic that is more heavily Democrat in voting patterns.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And you look at the major national data.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
DESAT or any demo, no demo that is that heavily Republican,
like no group that you can break down in all
of American politics is as committed to a party as
black women are to the Democrat Party. What's interesting is
a lot of black men are breaking off. We talked
about this yesterday. The Biden approval rating for men is
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only one in three.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Men approve of the job that Biden is doing. Two
to one.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Men in this country say Joe Biden is doing an
awful job. And a lot of those men are Hispanic Black, Like,
you can't get to you know, almost seventy percent of
men agreeing on something without having a lot of minority
support in there as well. So men have basically said,
Joe Biden, you're a disaster. Women support Joe Biden, which
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is crazy, like forty eight to forty five according to
the most recent Quinnipiac poll. And black voters support Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
It's not a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's like fifty five to forty four. That's the only
two groups he's above water in right now. Buck is women.
And by the way, women, how in the world can
you think that Joe Biden is doing a good job? Again,
men are like two to one, he's doing awful. Nearly
seventy percent of men are like this guy sucks. Women
think that Joe Biden is doing a good job more
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than think he's doing a bad job. And black women
are the absolute crux of how that happens.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
What do you think is there is there a pathway
that the Democrats could And look, people will still they
will be saying, I mean, some in the audience will
probably call in or email us a second, they'll say,
you know, what solves this? What solves the Democrat problem here?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Michelle Obama? Yep, they'll immediately say that.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
No, immediately, Now, it would solve the problem. We've just
always been told Michelle Obama has no interest in doing that,
But that would What it would mean is Michelle Obama
could be in a position where effectively she's promised to
presidency without actually having to run as president. She'd be
in a vice president role, she'd be appointed in that regard.
And I think that, you know, there'd be a lot
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of dynamics that would be favorable for Democrats in that situation.
And then what could they probably say, why would Kamala
ever do this?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Please, come on, think of a Kamala all of a sudden,
Kamala's memoir. If she were to agree to a plan
like this, ten million dollars big publish, They would say
ten million dollars for Kamala's memoir, no problem, the board
seats that she would get. Kamala would become I mean
she's already I believe, you know, wealthy. Her husband's wealthy.
But Kamala would be worth thirty to fifty million dollars
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basically overnight if she went along with a plan like this,
because the Democrat apparatus knows how to get this stuff done.
Again not saying this will happen, but I am telling
you there are people who are considering how to make this,
how to make this happen, who matter in the Democrat
Party right now.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And this would also tie in if you truly believe
that the Obama administration from that huge tablet article about
how Obama stayed in DC, all of his people stayed
in DC, He's continued to be involved pulling the puppets,
the puppet master so to speak. That would be the
ultimate puppet master play because what they would do Buck
is they would bump out Kamala, they would put in
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Michelle Obama. I bet right after the mid terms they
would replay like Biden would step down, Michelle Obama would
be elevated to President of the United States, and then
she would run as the incumbent, with potentially eight full
years in addition to the remaining two of the Biden administration.
She could be a decade in office in their mind.
(13:37):
Just think about it, Just think about it. That would
be a grand Master chess move if the Democrats were
able to put it.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
But I really, I mean I've heard this even from Democrats.
I know, we're very plugged in Michelle Obama. Doesn't she's
worth you know, the Obamas are worth one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, you know, whatever the figure is. They have.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
They have more money than could ever know what to
do with. They're living great lives. Does she want to
go through with that? I still think the answer is no.
But that would be a game change, that would that
would switch things up in a real way.
Speaker 8 (14:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And also by the way, it would you know, she
would get dirtied up because usually the first lady is
pretty popular because she doesn't get dragged into the mud
like the president does.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
But she'd be a VP, right, Ye, she comes in
as VP. And you know what I mean this this
is I always.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Know it's it's a regency move, you know, it's it's basically,
I mean it's what Hillary wanted, right, Like, I'm going
to follow in Bill Clinton's shoes, except Michelle Obama would
get to do it without having to actually because because
here's the thing, Stacy Abrams, for example, because if we're
if we're gonna go with the premise, that would have
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to be a black female politician who would step in.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
For Kamala Harrison. Kammala would willingly step aside for the
reasons that I laid out that that that wouldn't look
You would need some that to everybody would be clear,
this is helpful to the ticket. And I'm not sure
that that would be the case with the Stacy Abrams
because you say Saves is lost, right, I mean she's
lost to elections. Kamala Harris. We talk a lot about
how unpopular she was the senator from California before this.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, and who was the woman who lost to Marco
Rubio in Florida because she was another one of the
Florida congresswoman. She was another one of the women that
Biden considered. I think probably Karen Bass would be the
one that they would point to and say she's done
better because she's actually the mayor of law.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Maybe that would be and you know that's an easier
option I think for them to make as a switch.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
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Speaker 5 (16:34):
Speaking Truth and having fun Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton.
So we're talking about the movements on the chessboard of
American politics right now. Our friend the veik Ramaswami weighed
in on the Hunter Biden indictment. Here's what he had
to say, play six.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
I think the more we're going to talk about Biden,
the less of an opportunity we actually have, because he's
going to be a sacrificial lamb, you mark my words.
Even that Hunter Biden indictment, which I think is itself
a smoke screen earlier today, that's just going to be
one more lever they used to get Joe Biden to
get out of the way when he has stopped serving
his useful purpose.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
I don't see. I don't see. I think the system
has been protecting Hunter and Joe at every turn. I
don't Clay, where do you come down this? I don't
buy the there's some hand behind the scenes that's finally
pushing Joe aside with this.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I think that Merrick, Garland and Weiss got embarrassed by
the collapse of their sweetheart deal.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
And we talked about this a little bit yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
It's one thing to be doing the rig job It's
different when everybody sees you doing the rig job and
they start to call you out for being a stooge.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And I think we reached the stooge aspect here. And
I really.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Wonder what the relationship is like between Joe Biden and
Merrick Garland. Maybe one thing to kind of keep on
the horizon, Buck, is Merrick Garland gonna step down? Just
think about it, Like if he thinks it's so messy,
does he decide to bail. I think that's something to
put on the horizon and think about.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
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Speaker 2 (19:01):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate everybody
hanging out with us. We are joined now as we
come down the home stretch of the Friday edition of
the program by Gerard Baker, former editor in chief of
The Wall Street Journal, now the editor at Large. He's
got a new book, American Breakdown, Why we no longer
trust our leaders and institutions and how we can rebuild confidence.
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I'm looking forward to hearing some of your takes here, Gerard,
but I want to start and thanks for coming on
with us. Love the newspaper, love the work you guys
do at the Wall Street Journal. With what I would
say is the biggest story of the week so far,
and it's actually Joe Biden under siege. Washington Post top
columnist says he shouldn't run hunter. Biden indicted a lot
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of people out there saying that it's time for Biden
to step down. Do you think Joe Biden will be
the Democrat nominee next year running for reelection or do
you think it'll be someone else?
Speaker 10 (20:00):
Thanks very much, inde' having me on. It's very kind
of you, and a good Friday afternoon to you and
your listeners. I still think he will be I mean,
you're absolutely right, it is. There does seem to be
something afoot that columnist in the Washington Post. You've talked
about some of the polling that we've seen out recently,
some of the kind of you know, more chatter about
Biden's poor performance of that press conference in Vietnam.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
No, I think what's going on still.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
I think the problem though, that they have is they
don't have a plausible alternative, and that's really the Democrats problem.
I think, you know, Joe, but I think I think
the reason we're hearing about this right now is that
for a long time, it's been the conventional wisdom in
Washington wrong as usual as the conventional wisdom usually is.
But it's been the conventional wisdom that for all Joe
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Biden's faults, he'll beat Donald Trump. Donald Trump can't win
the presidency. He can't win the general. Actually he can
win the Republican primary, he can't win the presidency. I've
always thought that was wrong. I've always doot as nonsense.
I think with the economy likely weakening next year, I
think actually, you know, the polling already shows Trump's neck
and met with Biden, he could he could certainly win.
And I think that realization that he could win, that
Biden could lose is starting to seepin. And I think
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that's starting to make some Democrats panic a little bit
and think, oh god, we may be not only we
got this old guy who really isn't up to the
job anymore, but after all that he may lose to Trump.
Their problem is, though, I don't think they have an alternative.
Who's if he steps down, Who's it going to be?
Kamala Harris probably is the inside track. You know, that's Frankly,
I'm know Joe Biden fan, but that scares me even
more than Joe Biden than another four years of Joe
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Biden or you.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Know, Gavin Newsome, Gretchen Whitmer.
Speaker 10 (21:32):
I mean, these these are not these are not you know,
names that I think are likely to be a shoe
in or even frankly likely to be the favorite against
Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
So I kind of think they're stuck with Biden.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Gerard, thanks for being here where there's so your book,
American Breakdown, Why we no longer trust our leaders and
institutions and how we can rebuild confidence? Why do we
no longer trust leaders and institutions?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
What?
Speaker 5 (21:54):
What has changed? What have we learned? What have we seen?
That you get into in this book. As people are
going off onto their weekends here, I think it's worth
getting into some of the underlying foundational philosophical issues here.
Speaker 10 (22:07):
So I think there are factors. There are multiple factors
that explain why people have lost trust in the major institutions,
and the numbers are incredibly striking. I went back and
looked in detail at Gallup takes these regular surveys. Other
organizations do too, and trust as a whole in government, media, education,
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science and technology, big business, across the board, in all
of these major institutions that kind of lead American life,
trust has collapsed in the last twenty or thirty years
or so. Just it's down across the board now. I
think that's due to a number of factors that have
to do with the specific institutions themselves. Frankly, people have
decided that government lies to them, which who can blame them?
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Government has done a terrible performance in many ways over
the last twenty years. It's got very big, and it's
not doing things that people like. And I think that
reason people don't trust the government. We all know the
stories of how the media, quite frankly have become you know,
made stories up in the last few years, have become
increasingly partisan, increasingly biased, increasingly in pursuit of an agenda
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big business. Big business has become incredibly woke. It's become globalists.
It's very much focused on you know, global markets and
global profits at the expense of Americans. So again, all
of these things have been going on. If there's a
defining common characteristic, though, I would say, and this is
what I read about in the book, I think it
is this these elites that have taken control of these institutions,
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These people who all think alike.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
They have the same kind of views.
Speaker 10 (23:35):
They have the same views on American history, and they
have the same views on race and gender and immigration
and the importance of you know, global cooperation and global integration.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
They have taken.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
They've seized control of these all of these institutions, and
they are they are an elite. I don't really like
using that word, but they basically are an elite. They
are they have values that are fundamentally at odds with
the values of most Americans and the country this country.
I'm an immigrant. You can probably tell from my accident.
I came here thirty years ago. I've been a journalist
in this country for thirty years. This is the greatest
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country on Earth. It's history has been one of extraordinary success,
built on the values that it was founded on. Obviously,
it's needed to reform. A lot of bad things have
gone on in American history. But the great achievement of
America and the genius of America, is that it's been
able to reinvent itself and recreate itself, and based on
fidelity to those core values.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
I think we are, unfortunately now in all of our key.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
Institutions, led by people almost all of them anyway, who
don't really share those values and who want to drive,
who don't really want who don't really want America to
be America. They want America to be kind of like
a like a European country, a social democratic country or
even you know, even maybe an Asian country.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
They don't share those values.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
So I think that's why people fundamentally don't trust their
leaders anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Is this something that a president can cure, the right president,
or do you think it's something that's written at the core,
And if so, how do you fix it.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
It's going to require a president, it's going to require
hire legislation. Probably was going to require transformation of the
legal system. I think we're already seeing that in terms
of the direction of the Supreme Court. Look, I mean,
one of the things I look at in the book
is the history. If there's good news in this book,
it's that we've been here before. I mean, America's had
these periods before where you know, trust in their leading
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institutions has declined sharply, where people feel alienated from their
leading institutions. Look at look at the nineties of the
late nineteen sixties, in particular ninety I always say to
people who throw up their hands and say, oh my god,
things are terrible today, go back and look at ninety
sixty eight. Ninety sixty eight, we had, you know, hundreds
of Americans were dying every week in a war, we
had political assassinations, major political assations, We had political violence
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across the country, we had terrorism. The country was tearing
itself apart. And you know, it did overcome those divisions
took a while. First of all, Richard Nixon was elected
in sixty eight and then re elected with a huge
majority in seventy two, and he talked about the silent majority,
and I think some extent he was right about that. Obviously,
talking of trust, I mean his presidency ended in a
collapse of trust with Watergate, and then we got through
to the rest of the seventies in a pretty pretty
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shambolic way.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
And then we got Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 10 (26:06):
So a president can And then, by the way, that's
when in the nineteen eighties, that's when once again people
did have faith in American faith in America's institutions and leadership.
So it takes time, it takes presidential intervention, it takes legislation,
it takes but above all, it takes a cultural change.
And I think it takes people standing up and saying,
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you know, we're not and I think this is already happening.
I think again, there's more good music because I think
that's already happening. They're standing up and saying, we are
going to assert American values. We're going to asert these ideals,
and we're going to take our country back. And I
think that again, that is beginning to happen. It'll take time,
but I'm confident that we'll get there.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Gerard Baker his book American Breakdown, Why why we no
longer trust our leaders and institutions and how we can
rebuild confidence? Get your copy today, go check it out.
And Gerar, thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate
it both.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Keep up the good work at the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I was gonna say thank you for getting us like
a major broadsheet, you know, a major newspaper that we
could subscribe to.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
So we uh, thanks you, Bill keep. I'm so glad
you do. Thank you for thank you for reading, and
thanks for having me.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Absolutely yeah, I do. My dad does, my brothers do
you know, we all we all like the journal, Uh Clay.
It's also a huge advantage to have a cool accent.
I'm just going to say.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
No, no doubt huge.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
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also Clay some calls here. Let's see Brian in Wichita, Kansas. Brian,
what have you got for Hey?
Speaker 11 (29:27):
Hey? Megadido's playing Buck? Thanks touching with pall. I hate
to be the pessimist here but I've been feeling that
there is a zero percent chance that whoever the Republican
candidate is will win, and there's one hundred percent chance
whoever the Democrat is will win. Why And my reasoning is,
(29:48):
I think if it's Trump the nominee, there's enough never
Trumper's on our side that will refuse to vote for him.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Can I just say that I've not seen I mean,
I hear that from people. I don't want to you
you had an ad there, I'll let you. We'll let
you get back to the end of a second. But
I mean, who the the notion of the never Trump
people who are Republicans? I mean, Trump got, by his
own admission, more votes than any Republican in history, in history,
you know what I mean? So who are these Republicans
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who anyway?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Keep going anyway?
Speaker 11 (30:21):
And my my flip side is if Trump is not
the nominee and it's the Santa Serviovak whoever, there's enough
Trumpers that will not vote for that person. So I
think on our side we're doomed.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I don't think we're doing I appreciate the call. I
appreciate the call. I think I think if Biden is
the nominee. I think the Republicans are gonna win because
I think it's gonna come down to Biden's age as
the number and in dementia.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And look when I.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Say age, I mean he's going to be eighty two
and he's not going to be in his grip and
control of his faculties. Eighty two, right, They are eighty
two year olds listening to us right now that are
ten times as with it as Joe Biden is. So
there's a wide variety of ages.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
I think it we could call it his we could
call it his age related cognitive deterioration. Yes, right, it's
a specific thing that is tied to age in his
case that is not the same for all people at
that age or near his age.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
And buck even that clip that we played yesterday where
Biden sort of disgustingly pivoted when he was asked about
bereisma and talked about the fact that his son died.
Oh no, you clip, but yes, yeah, an old clip.
I'm just trying to saying, you listen to Biden talk
in twenty nineteen or twenty twenty when he was on
the campaign, to the extent he was on the campaign
trail at all. He has deteriorated markedly in his speech
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patterns and his ability to communicate just in the last
three years.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
People can get mad at this, but it is a fact.
There was no talk of in any meaningful way Biden's
cognitive decline after the debates in twenty twenty. Right after
the debates, nobody was saying, oh my gosh, that moment
when he was know, you know, gibberish upons, it didn't happen.
Didn't happen. So if we're hoping and I don't mind,
I don't even think he's going to debate this time.
(32:07):
I'm not sure that that I think so that that
that means it's definitely not gonna happen. Jim and Denver, Jim,
what have you got going on?
Speaker 8 (32:15):
Those guys? Hey, Megadeto's this has to do with a
shadow government. I honestly believe that Biden or Biden, Barack
Obama and his former staff is running the show. That
Joe Biden is just a useful idiot. You cannot tell
me that that. And and Buck and respond to this
that the intelligence community wasn't telling Obama what Biden and
(32:38):
his son were doing during his presidency because it would
have affected his presidency.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I agree one hundred percent with that argument. Buck.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I think the reason that Obama did not pick Joe
Biden was because both he knew that there was a
cognitive decline underway, and also I think he knew about
some of these issues that we're outstanding with with Hunter
Biden and the Biden crime fan.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
This stuff has been known since twenty eighteen, so it's
not you know, publicly, I should say. And if you
want to think about what Obama would have known before
the Republicans had to or you know, conservative media had
to get this stuff out there, I think it is
fair to say he would have had substantially more knowledge
of what a mess some of the stuff within the
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Biden family is. I also just think he didn't believe
Joe Biden was a very good politician or a very
good candidate. I mean, I think it was there's a
broad or even that smart or very smart. And I
think that he was generally disappointed by Oh I shouldn't
say disappointed by Biden, but I think he recognized that,
you know, Biden is the guy's a lightweight. He's just
always been. He's kind of the ultimate political lightweight. In
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so many ways. He's just never really stood for anything
or made any meaningful mark other than, you know, looking
like a like a clown, a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
You know, we're talking buck about Biden's relationship with Kamala.
Don't underestimate how disres respectful Obama's relationship with Biden was.
He specifically chose not to endorse his vice president and
picked his secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, and said you're
next woman up. You're the next person up. Yeah, and
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then don't forget the entire twenty twenty campaign. He didn't
endorse Biden. Obama set out the election. We're talking now
about Biden and whether he likes Kamala and what the
relationship is like. It's hard to be more disrespectful of
your vice president than to choose someone else to be
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the person you endorse in sixteen, not the guy you
worked with for eight years, but your secretary of state,
and then for the entire twenty twenty campaign. You don't
endorse Joe Biden until he's actually got the nomination locked up.
You can't tell me that Obama is impressed by Joe
Biden or thought that he was going to be a
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good president.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
I don't think Joe Biden is impressed by Joe Biden.
I think Joe Biden's very impressed by Joe Biden. Actually
that's I was just trying to be clever. Yeah, but
I don't. But I don't think that there's any basis
for that at all. Now, we got a VIP email
from what's the name of the vip Bootsy? Is that
really okay? Can we get a buck talks music in
(35:19):
sports segment? Well, no, because it's going to sound like
I'm just the old man yelling at everybody to get
their music in their sports ball off my lawn. So
I don't know if that's going to really be particularly
helpful or a stud analysis to anybody, unless we want
to talk classical music, where I am more well versed
than most of the people listening to this would imagine,
based in the fact I don't talk about it very often.
I was a classically trained musician. To this day, nobody
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knows what the instrument is. I may have been asked
to have been in an orchestra clay for Georgetown University,
for example, but I didn't do it. So, you know,
I just some things some things out there. But on
the sports side. I love talking about it, and if
it's tennis, I can analyze it effectively. Beyond that, what
are we saying this weekend?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You came in this week and had a big high
tennis take that I didn't know anything about, Like the
people gluing themselves to the court.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Was that that was this Monday?
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Like you came in like that was lost? Okay?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well yeah, clothes all fired up about you got any
big plans? By the way, happy birthday? He might be
listening right now. My middle son Lincoln turns thirteen today
and my youngest son Nash turns nine on Sunday, So
we are birthday partying it up in the Travis household.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Two of my three boys having birthdays this weekend. What
about you? What are you doing?
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Writing book and playing tennis?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That is my weekend? And yelling at people for playing
their music too out in South Florida that is definitely
going to happen as well. They they may or may
like the local like law enforcement may be familiar with
me at this point. Just from the excuse me, sir,
there is loud music emanating from a party down the street.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
I feel the base buck does not like the male base.
What's a male caaren I don't even know what that is.
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Fourteen hours up, fourteen hours down. This is the final
hour of the week. We appreciate all of you who
been hanging out with us for all week long. Encourage
you to go subscribe to the podcast. You can search
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(00:28):
wherever you may be, indeed around the world. As we
come into the fall and people start to maybe start
to make a little bit of plans for Thanksgiving and Christmas,
and you're looking ahead and believe it or not, it's
going to be here before too long. In fact, we are,
as we were talking about earlier in the show, exactly
four months from the Iowa caucuses, and Donald Trump has
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opened up, according to Fox News, the biggest most substantial
lead of the primary season so far. We've been discussing
what the impact of that might be, and so far, Buck,
there may be more drama, interestingly on the Democrat side
of the Ledger right now than there is on the
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Republican side. Now Trump obviously is a one man drama machine.
So there always are a lot of different stories, and
we got a ton of different candidates running, and so
there have been a lot of stories on the Republican side,
but I would say this week the Democrat side has
been the one with turmoil. And it's not just Joe Biden,
it's also Kamala Harris. And I want to play just
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a few of these cuts because there are a lot
of prominent Democrats that are not saying that they think
Kamala Harris is a good choice. A couple days ago,
Nancy Pelosi, this was with Anderson Cooper on CNN. I
want to refresh it for all of you out there.
She was directly asked, is Kamala Harris the right choice
(01:57):
at VP? Listen to her answer, the.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Best running mate for this president?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He thinks so, and that's what matters. And by the way,
she's very politically astute. I don't think people give her
enough credit. She's of course values based, consistent with the
president's values in the rest and people don't understand she's
politically so to why would she be vice president? She
were not. People shouldn't underestimate what Colonel harsh brings to
the table. Do you think she is the best running mate?
(02:25):
She's the vice president of the United States, So people
say to me, well, why isn't she doing.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
This or that?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Because she's the vice president. That's the description.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Okay, So Nancy Pelosi is smart, Buck, She's good at
answering questions, a pretty easy question.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
She's good at not answering questions to which we hear.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I mean, Buck, if you were going to go to
a wedding and somebody said, hey, do you think that
this is a good match? Is this husband or this wife?
Is that a good selection? And your response was he
thinks so is that's that's a pretty good shot at
the bride or the groom. When you can be like, yeah,
(03:04):
she's great, Yeah he's great if somebody says he thinks so.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
This is also Jamie Raskin, who is very high up
in the House leadership as well active speaker.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
All the time.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
He was also asked on CNN is Kamala Harris the
right choice for VP?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
He said this, There didn't seem to be anything wrong
with that answer.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You are doing what Speaker Pelosi did, which is not
answering the question. Do you think Kamala Harris is the
best running made for President Biden. Well, obviously she gave
the right answer.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That's President Biden's choice. It's just a simple question.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Do you think Kamala Harris is the best running made
for President Biden? You've said she's excellent. That's farther than
Speaker Pelosi went. Do you think Kamala Harris is the
best running made for President Biden?
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Or no? I mean, but I don't know what else
I can say other than she.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You can say yes, excellent and an excellent advice.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Say yes, you can say yes, I think Kamala Harris
is the best vice president and the best running mate
for president.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But you might be a stronger vice presidential running mate
than her, or me or anybody else.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Wait, what did that even mean at the end that
that was well, that's a shot at her too, But
why won't they just say yes?
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Buck?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Well, see, this is where I think that they're still
a like. It's like they're waiting to get the orders
from the deer leader on this one. You know, they're
not really sure Pelosi knows that if she says yeah,
she's amazing, And as we discussed, we're reading Tea leaves here.
I don't think Nancy Pelosi likes Kamala Harris. Yes, you
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don't think so either. We don't think she likes We
just don't think she likes her. And when people have
egos this big, they will put whether they like someone
or not ahead of what they think is best for
their party, in this case obviously the Democrat Party. So
what's going on here? I think that there is a
thought out there right now that what that Here's what
(05:01):
I think the Democrats would like to do, because I've
been mulling this over a lot, because as you know,
I have been on Biden's going to be the nominee.
I have not wavered for that for a day. But
clearly they got to come up with something here because
the age issue, and no one thinks he's going to
make it through a second term as president, like I don't.
That's another poll you should see if Biden were to win.
I'm not saying he will. If Biden were to win,
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would he make it through another four years? I think
a lot of people would say no. So with that
in mind, you would think you will. With that in mind,
what is the plan? The obvious rejoinder from a lot
of people be it's Kamala Harris. I think they're trying
to figure out, is there a way we could artfully,
perhaps gently move aside Kamala as the VP in this
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process and to someone else.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
In Biden because you would then, yes.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Put someone else on the ticket. Now people would say, oh,
you can't. You can't do that with Gavin Newsom. But
if you put a I think the Democrats would have
to find another minority female candidate, yes, and Kamala could
come up. And again, I don't think that this is
going to happen, but I if you hear why they're hesitating,
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there are my bottom line here. I think they're considering
a way to do this because they got to do
something and they don't have other good options.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And it would be.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
How do we get Kamala to say, oh, I'm going
to focus, I'm gonna you know, run for something or other,
I don't know whatever, and have somebody take her spot
for term two of Biden. That's what I think they
would like to figure out how to do. I don't
know if they can get there though.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
That's why the talk was that they might put her
on the Supreme Court instead of Katanji Brown Jackson because
Biden had said we're going to put a black woman
on the Supreme Court, and you could have put Kamala
Harris on. It seemed like she didn't want that job.
And here we make fun of the view a lot
because it's the dumbest show on television.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
We're glad it exists.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Though, Yes, Sonny Houston, I don't know that I've ever
said this before. She's actually one hundred percent right with
this take. Listen to what she said Buck about the
idea of replacing Kamala.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
Over the past five elections where you've had a Democrat
win they needed the black vote, Ninety one percent of
African Americans voted for Biden and will continue to vote
for Biden if Kamala.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Is his running mate.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
I would be very careful President Biden about getting rid
of Kamala Harris, because we will not support you. Wait, wait, no, no,
your opinion is valid and beautiful in all of that.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
But when was the last time you saw anybody get.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Rid of nobody does.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
If Biden gets rid of Kamala Harris and inserts someone else,
he will lose the black vote.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Okay, Okay, Now this is interesting yeah, I think that
she is correct act except for if they were able
to come up with let's say, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like Karen bas I think.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I was gonna say, I don't know if Stacy Abrams
has quite the same you would if you were, if
you're looking at this as a Democrat political strategist, the
only way you could do this would be to replace
Kamala Harris as VP with a black female leader, politician,
et cetera, who polls better within the Democrat Party and
(08:30):
would bring a little bit more sturdiness and confidence in
the future of a Biden ticket, Right, that's the only
way can they Can they figure that out? Can they
do that? You can tell why is the view talking
about this?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Everybody?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
We're sensing this to the power players the Democrat Party,
there are clearly discussions going on about we got to
think of something, We got to do a game change,
if you will. They go back to the two thousand
and eight eightbo movie, right when they when they went
with Sarah Palin with with John McCain. They thought they'd
mix something up there. I think that they're talking about
it now. That's not the same thing as saying it'll happen.
(09:05):
But I mean, I didn't even know about that clip.
That's funny that I'm just I was basing it on
the Pelosi and some of the other things that we've seen.
They I think that the belief here is if people,
if enough Democrats and moderates are comfortable with the VP
choice under Biden, his age becomes less of an issue.
Therefore Biden can still safely be the guy for the
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next fifteen months, and that's when that's how they fix
the problem in their minds. But to but what Sonny
Houstin said is true. If the black vote is noticeably,
you know, lacking in turnout for Biden, which I don't
know if you know, who knows what that would happen
if you change the VP, they lose the election, no question,
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full stop.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Black women are the backbone of the Democrat Party. They
vote something like ninety seven to three for Democratic. There
is no demographic that is more heavily Democrat in voting patterns.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And you look at the major national data.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
DESAT or any demo, no demo that is that heavily Republican,
like no group that you can break down in all
of American politics is as committed to a party as
black women are to the Democrat Party. What's interesting is
a lot of black men are breaking off. We talked
about this yesterday. The Biden approval rating for men is
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only one in three.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Men approve of the job that Biden is doing. Two
to one.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Men in this country say Joe Biden is doing an
awful job. And a lot of those men are Hispanic Black, Like,
you can't get to you know, almost seventy percent of
men agreeing on something without having a lot of minority
support in there as well. So men have basically said,
Joe Biden, you're a disaster. Women support Joe Biden, which
(10:51):
is crazy, like forty eight to forty five according to
the most recent Quinnipiac poll. And black voters support Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
It's not a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's like fifty five to forty four. That's the only
two groups he's above water in right now. Buck is women.
And by the way, women, how in the world can
you think that Joe Biden is doing a good job? Again,
men are like two to one, he's doing awful. Nearly
seventy percent of men are like this guy sucks. Women
think that Joe Biden is doing a good job more
(11:21):
than think he's doing a bad job. And black women
are the absolute crux of how that happens.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
What do you think is there is there a pathway
that the Democrats could And look, people will still they
will be saying, I mean, some in the audience will
probably call in or email us a second, they'll say,
you know, what solves this? What solves the Democrat problem here?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Michelle Obama? Yep, they'll immediately say that.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
No, immediately, Now, it would solve the problem. We've just
always been told Michelle Obama has no interest in doing that,
But that would What it would mean is Michelle Obama
could be in a position where effectively she's promised to
presidency without actually having to run as president. She'd be
in a vice president role, she'd be appointed in that regard.
And I think that, you know, there'd be a lot
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of dynamics that would be favorable for Democrats in that situation.
And then what could they probably say, why would Kamala
ever do this?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Please, come on, think of a Kamala all of a sudden,
Kamala's memoir. If she were to agree to a plan
like this, ten million dollars big publish, They would say
ten million dollars for Kamala's memoir, no problem, the board
seats that she would get. Kamala would become I mean
she's already I believe, you know, wealthy. Her husband's wealthy.
But Kamala would be worth thirty to fifty million dollars
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basically overnight if she went along with a plan like this,
because the Democrat apparatus knows how to get this stuff done.
Again not saying this will happen, but I am telling
you there are people who are considering how to make this,
how to make this happen, who matter in the Democrat
Party right now.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And this would also tie in if you truly believe
that the Obama administration from that huge tablet article about
how Obama stayed in DC, all of his people stayed
in DC, He's continued to be involved pulling the puppets,
the puppet master so to speak. That would be the
ultimate puppet master play because what they would do Buck
is they would bump out Kamala, they would put in
(13:14):
Michelle Obama. I bet right after the mid terms they
would replay like Biden would step down, Michelle Obama would
be elevated to President of the United States, and then
she would run as the incumbent, with potentially eight full
years in addition to the remaining two of the Biden administration.
She could be a decade in office in their mind.
(13:37):
Just think about it, Just think about it. That would
be a grand Master chess move if the Democrats were
able to put it.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
But I really, I mean I've heard this even from Democrats.
I know, we're very plugged in Michelle Obama. Doesn't she's
worth you know, the Obamas are worth one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, you know, whatever the figure is. They have.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
They have more money than could ever know what to
do with. They're living great lives. Does she want to
go through with that? I still think the answer is no.
But that would be a game change, that would that
would switch things up in a real way.
Speaker 8 (14:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And also by the way, it would you know, she
would get dirtied up because usually the first lady is
pretty popular because she doesn't get dragged into the mud
like the president does.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
But she'd be a VP, right, Ye, she comes in
as VP. And you know what I mean this this
is I always.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Know it's it's a regency move, you know, it's it's basically,
I mean it's what Hillary wanted, right, Like, I'm going
to follow in Bill Clinton's shoes, except Michelle Obama would
get to do it without having to actually because because
here's the thing, Stacy Abrams, for example, because if we're
if we're gonna go with the premise, that would have
(14:49):
to be a black female politician who would step in.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
For Kamala Harrison. Kammala would willingly step aside for the
reasons that I laid out that that that wouldn't look
You would need some that to everybody would be clear,
this is helpful to the ticket. And I'm not sure
that that would be the case with the Stacy Abrams
because you say Saves is lost, right, I mean she's
lost to elections. Kamala Harris. We talk a lot about
how unpopular she was the senator from California before this.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, and who was the woman who lost to Marco
Rubio in Florida because she was another one of the
Florida congresswoman. She was another one of the women that
Biden considered. I think probably Karen Bass would be the
one that they would point to and say she's done
better because she's actually the mayor of law.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Maybe that would be and you know that's an easier
option I think for them to make as a switch.
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Speaker 5 (16:34):
Speaking Truth and having fun Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton.
So we're talking about the movements on the chessboard of
American politics right now. Our friend the veik Ramaswami weighed
in on the Hunter Biden indictment. Here's what he had
to say, play six.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
I think the more we're going to talk about Biden,
the less of an opportunity we actually have, because he's
going to be a sacrificial lamb, you mark my words.
Even that Hunter Biden indictment, which I think is itself
a smoke screen earlier today, that's just going to be
one more lever they used to get Joe Biden to
get out of the way when he has stopped serving
his useful purpose.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
I don't see. I don't see. I think the system
has been protecting Hunter and Joe at every turn. I
don't Clay, where do you come down this? I don't
buy the there's some hand behind the scenes that's finally
pushing Joe aside with this.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I think that Merrick, Garland and Weiss got embarrassed by
the collapse of their sweetheart deal.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
And we talked about this a little bit yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
It's one thing to be doing the rig job It's
different when everybody sees you doing the rig job and
they start to call you out for being a stooge.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And I think we reached the stooge aspect here. And
I really.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Wonder what the relationship is like between Joe Biden and
Merrick Garland. Maybe one thing to kind of keep on
the horizon, Buck, is Merrick Garland gonna step down? Just
think about it, Like if he thinks it's so messy,
does he decide to bail. I think that's something to
put on the horizon and think about.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
There are some who speculate we may hear an announcement
from the federal government when it comes to our currency system.
According to former Wall Street insider and digital currency expertik
At Tawari, we could hear something this fall. The plan
he's hearing suggests we might see digital dollars in place
of the currency system that we've all gotten so used
to because it's what we've used our whole lives, you know.
(18:27):
Business Insider the Big website. They confirmed this as an idea.
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Speaker 2 (19:01):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate everybody
hanging out with us. We are joined now as we
come down the home stretch of the Friday edition of
the program by Gerard Baker, former editor in chief of
The Wall Street Journal, now the editor at Large. He's
got a new book, American Breakdown, Why we no longer
trust our leaders and institutions and how we can rebuild confidence.
(19:25):
I'm looking forward to hearing some of your takes here, Gerard,
but I want to start and thanks for coming on
with us. Love the newspaper, love the work you guys
do at the Wall Street Journal. With what I would
say is the biggest story of the week so far,
and it's actually Joe Biden under siege. Washington Post top
columnist says he shouldn't run hunter. Biden indicted a lot
(19:47):
of people out there saying that it's time for Biden
to step down. Do you think Joe Biden will be
the Democrat nominee next year running for reelection or do
you think it'll be someone else?
Speaker 10 (20:00):
Thanks very much, inde' having me on. It's very kind
of you, and a good Friday afternoon to you and
your listeners. I still think he will be I mean,
you're absolutely right, it is. There does seem to be
something afoot that columnist in the Washington Post. You've talked
about some of the polling that we've seen out recently,
some of the kind of you know, more chatter about
Biden's poor performance of that press conference in Vietnam.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
No, I think what's going on still.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
I think the problem though, that they have is they
don't have a plausible alternative, and that's really the Democrats problem.
I think, you know, Joe, but I think I think
the reason we're hearing about this right now is that
for a long time, it's been the conventional wisdom in
Washington wrong as usual as the conventional wisdom usually is.
But it's been the conventional wisdom that for all Joe
(20:45):
Biden's faults, he'll beat Donald Trump. Donald Trump can't win
the presidency. He can't win the general. Actually he can
win the Republican primary, he can't win the presidency. I've
always thought that was wrong. I've always doot as nonsense.
I think with the economy likely weakening next year, I
think actually, you know, the polling already shows Trump's neck
and met with Biden, he could he could certainly win.
And I think that realization that he could win, that
Biden could lose is starting to seepin. And I think
(21:07):
that's starting to make some Democrats panic a little bit
and think, oh god, we may be not only we
got this old guy who really isn't up to the
job anymore, but after all that he may lose to Trump.
Their problem is, though, I don't think they have an alternative.
Who's if he steps down, Who's it going to be?
Kamala Harris probably is the inside track. You know, that's Frankly,
I'm know Joe Biden fan, but that scares me even
more than Joe Biden than another four years of Joe
(21:29):
Biden or you.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Know, Gavin Newsome, Gretchen Whitmer.
Speaker 10 (21:32):
I mean, these these are not these are not you know,
names that I think are likely to be a shoe
in or even frankly likely to be the favorite against
Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
So I kind of think they're stuck with Biden.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Gerard, thanks for being here where there's so your book,
American Breakdown, Why we no longer trust our leaders and
institutions and how we can rebuild confidence? Why do we
no longer trust leaders and institutions?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
What?
Speaker 5 (21:54):
What has changed? What have we learned? What have we seen?
That you get into in this book. As people are
going off onto their weekends here, I think it's worth
getting into some of the underlying foundational philosophical issues here.
Speaker 10 (22:07):
So I think there are factors. There are multiple factors
that explain why people have lost trust in the major institutions,
and the numbers are incredibly striking. I went back and
looked in detail at Gallup takes these regular surveys. Other
organizations do too, and trust as a whole in government, media, education,
(22:27):
science and technology, big business, across the board, in all
of these major institutions that kind of lead American life,
trust has collapsed in the last twenty or thirty years
or so. Just it's down across the board now. I
think that's due to a number of factors that have
to do with the specific institutions themselves. Frankly, people have
decided that government lies to them, which who can blame them?
(22:49):
Government has done a terrible performance in many ways over
the last twenty years. It's got very big, and it's
not doing things that people like. And I think that
reason people don't trust the government. We all know the
stories of how the media, quite frankly have become you know,
made stories up in the last few years, have become
increasingly partisan, increasingly biased, increasingly in pursuit of an agenda
(23:10):
big business. Big business has become incredibly woke. It's become globalists.
It's very much focused on you know, global markets and
global profits at the expense of Americans. So again, all
of these things have been going on. If there's a
defining common characteristic, though, I would say, and this is
what I read about in the book, I think it
is this these elites that have taken control of these institutions,
(23:32):
These people who all think alike.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
They have the same kind of views.
Speaker 10 (23:35):
They have the same views on American history, and they
have the same views on race and gender and immigration
and the importance of you know, global cooperation and global integration.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
They have taken.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
They've seized control of these all of these institutions, and
they are they are an elite. I don't really like
using that word, but they basically are an elite. They
are they have values that are fundamentally at odds with
the values of most Americans and the country this country.
I'm an immigrant. You can probably tell from my accident.
I came here thirty years ago. I've been a journalist
in this country for thirty years. This is the greatest
(24:07):
country on Earth. It's history has been one of extraordinary success,
built on the values that it was founded on. Obviously,
it's needed to reform. A lot of bad things have
gone on in American history. But the great achievement of
America and the genius of America, is that it's been
able to reinvent itself and recreate itself, and based on
fidelity to those core values.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
I think we are, unfortunately now in all of our key.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
Institutions, led by people almost all of them anyway, who
don't really share those values and who want to drive,
who don't really want who don't really want America to
be America. They want America to be kind of like
a like a European country, a social democratic country or
even you know, even maybe an Asian country.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
They don't share those values.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
So I think that's why people fundamentally don't trust their
leaders anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Is this something that a president can cure, the right president,
or do you think it's something that's written at the core,
And if so, how do you fix it.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
It's going to require a president, it's going to require
hire legislation. Probably was going to require transformation of the
legal system. I think we're already seeing that in terms
of the direction of the Supreme Court. Look, I mean,
one of the things I look at in the book
is the history. If there's good news in this book,
it's that we've been here before. I mean, America's had
these periods before where you know, trust in their leading
(25:18):
institutions has declined sharply, where people feel alienated from their
leading institutions. Look at look at the nineties of the
late nineteen sixties, in particular ninety I always say to
people who throw up their hands and say, oh my god,
things are terrible today, go back and look at ninety
sixty eight. Ninety sixty eight, we had, you know, hundreds
of Americans were dying every week in a war, we
had political assassinations, major political assations, We had political violence
(25:40):
across the country, we had terrorism. The country was tearing
itself apart. And you know, it did overcome those divisions
took a while. First of all, Richard Nixon was elected
in sixty eight and then re elected with a huge
majority in seventy two, and he talked about the silent majority,
and I think some extent he was right about that. Obviously,
talking of trust, I mean his presidency ended in a
collapse of trust with Watergate, and then we got through
to the rest of the seventies in a pretty pretty
(26:03):
shambolic way.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
And then we got Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 10 (26:06):
So a president can And then, by the way, that's
when in the nineteen eighties, that's when once again people
did have faith in American faith in America's institutions and leadership.
So it takes time, it takes presidential intervention, it takes legislation,
it takes but above all, it takes a cultural change.
And I think it takes people standing up and saying,
(26:26):
you know, we're not and I think this is already happening.
I think again, there's more good music because I think
that's already happening. They're standing up and saying, we are
going to assert American values. We're going to asert these ideals,
and we're going to take our country back. And I
think that again, that is beginning to happen. It'll take time,
but I'm confident that we'll get there.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Gerard Baker his book American Breakdown, Why why we no
longer trust our leaders and institutions and how we can
rebuild confidence? Get your copy today, go check it out.
And Gerar, thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate
it both.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Keep up the good work at the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I was gonna say thank you for getting us like
a major broadsheet, you know, a major newspaper that we
could subscribe to.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
So we uh, thanks you, Bill keep. I'm so glad
you do. Thank you for thank you for reading, and
thanks for having me.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Absolutely yeah, I do. My dad does, my brothers do
you know, we all we all like the journal, Uh Clay.
It's also a huge advantage to have a cool accent.
I'm just going to say.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
No, no doubt huge.
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(29:14):
also Clay some calls here. Let's see Brian in Wichita, Kansas. Brian,
what have you got for Hey?
Speaker 11 (29:27):
Hey? Megadido's playing Buck? Thanks touching with pall. I hate
to be the pessimist here but I've been feeling that
there is a zero percent chance that whoever the Republican
candidate is will win, and there's one hundred percent chance
whoever the Democrat is will win. Why And my reasoning is,
(29:48):
I think if it's Trump the nominee, there's enough never
Trumper's on our side that will refuse to vote for him.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Can I just say that I've not seen I mean,
I hear that from people. I don't want to you
you had an ad there, I'll let you. We'll let
you get back to the end of a second. But
I mean, who the the notion of the never Trump
people who are Republicans? I mean, Trump got, by his
own admission, more votes than any Republican in history, in history,
you know what I mean? So who are these Republicans
(30:18):
who anyway?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Keep going anyway?
Speaker 11 (30:21):
And my my flip side is if Trump is not
the nominee and it's the Santa Serviovak whoever, there's enough
Trumpers that will not vote for that person. So I
think on our side we're doomed.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I don't think we're doing I appreciate the call. I
appreciate the call. I think I think if Biden is
the nominee. I think the Republicans are gonna win because
I think it's gonna come down to Biden's age as
the number and in dementia.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And look when I.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Say age, I mean he's going to be eighty two
and he's not going to be in his grip and
control of his faculties. Eighty two, right, They are eighty
two year olds listening to us right now that are
ten times as with it as Joe Biden is. So
there's a wide variety of ages.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
I think it we could call it his we could
call it his age related cognitive deterioration. Yes, right, it's
a specific thing that is tied to age in his
case that is not the same for all people at
that age or near his age.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
And buck even that clip that we played yesterday where
Biden sort of disgustingly pivoted when he was asked about
bereisma and talked about the fact that his son died.
Oh no, you clip, but yes, yeah, an old clip.
I'm just trying to saying, you listen to Biden talk
in twenty nineteen or twenty twenty when he was on
the campaign, to the extent he was on the campaign
trail at all. He has deteriorated markedly in his speech
(31:44):
patterns and his ability to communicate just in the last
three years.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
People can get mad at this, but it is a fact.
There was no talk of in any meaningful way Biden's
cognitive decline after the debates in twenty twenty. Right after
the debates, nobody was saying, oh my gosh, that moment
when he was know, you know, gibberish upons, it didn't happen.
Didn't happen. So if we're hoping and I don't mind,
I don't even think he's going to debate this time.
(32:07):
I'm not sure that that I think so that that
that means it's definitely not gonna happen. Jim and Denver, Jim,
what have you got going on?
Speaker 8 (32:15):
Those guys? Hey, Megadeto's this has to do with a
shadow government. I honestly believe that Biden or Biden, Barack
Obama and his former staff is running the show. That
Joe Biden is just a useful idiot. You cannot tell
me that that. And and Buck and respond to this
that the intelligence community wasn't telling Obama what Biden and
(32:38):
his son were doing during his presidency because it would
have affected his presidency.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I agree one hundred percent with that argument. Buck.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I think the reason that Obama did not pick Joe
Biden was because both he knew that there was a
cognitive decline underway, and also I think he knew about
some of these issues that we're outstanding with with Hunter
Biden and the Biden crime fan.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
This stuff has been known since twenty eighteen, so it's
not you know, publicly, I should say. And if you
want to think about what Obama would have known before
the Republicans had to or you know, conservative media had
to get this stuff out there, I think it is
fair to say he would have had substantially more knowledge
of what a mess some of the stuff within the
(33:24):
Biden family is. I also just think he didn't believe
Joe Biden was a very good politician or a very
good candidate. I mean, I think it was there's a
broad or even that smart or very smart. And I
think that he was generally disappointed by Oh I shouldn't
say disappointed by Biden, but I think he recognized that,
you know, Biden is the guy's a lightweight. He's just
always been. He's kind of the ultimate political lightweight. In
(33:44):
so many ways. He's just never really stood for anything
or made any meaningful mark other than, you know, looking
like a like a clown, a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
You know, we're talking buck about Biden's relationship with Kamala.
Don't underestimate how disres respectful Obama's relationship with Biden was.
He specifically chose not to endorse his vice president and
picked his secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, and said you're
next woman up. You're the next person up. Yeah, and
(34:14):
then don't forget the entire twenty twenty campaign. He didn't
endorse Biden. Obama set out the election. We're talking now
about Biden and whether he likes Kamala and what the
relationship is like. It's hard to be more disrespectful of
your vice president than to choose someone else to be
(34:36):
the person you endorse in sixteen, not the guy you
worked with for eight years, but your secretary of state,
and then for the entire twenty twenty campaign. You don't
endorse Joe Biden until he's actually got the nomination locked up.
You can't tell me that Obama is impressed by Joe
Biden or thought that he was going to be a
(34:56):
good president.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
I don't think Joe Biden is impressed by Joe Biden.
I think Joe Biden's very impressed by Joe Biden. Actually
that's I was just trying to be clever. Yeah, but
I don't. But I don't think that there's any basis
for that at all. Now, we got a VIP email
from what's the name of the vip Bootsy? Is that
really okay? Can we get a buck talks music in
(35:19):
sports segment? Well, no, because it's going to sound like
I'm just the old man yelling at everybody to get
their music in their sports ball off my lawn. So
I don't know if that's going to really be particularly
helpful or a stud analysis to anybody, unless we want
to talk classical music, where I am more well versed
than most of the people listening to this would imagine,
based in the fact I don't talk about it very often.
I was a classically trained musician. To this day, nobody
(35:40):
knows what the instrument is. I may have been asked
to have been in an orchestra clay for Georgetown University,
for example, but I didn't do it. So, you know,
I just some things some things out there. But on
the sports side. I love talking about it, and if
it's tennis, I can analyze it effectively. Beyond that, what
are we saying this weekend?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You came in this week and had a big high
tennis take that I didn't know anything about, Like the
people gluing themselves to the court.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Was that that was this Monday?
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Like you came in like that was lost? Okay?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well yeah, clothes all fired up about you got any
big plans? By the way, happy birthday? He might be
listening right now. My middle son Lincoln turns thirteen today
and my youngest son Nash turns nine on Sunday, So
we are birthday partying it up in the Travis household.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Two of my three boys having birthdays this weekend. What
about you? What are you doing?
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Writing book and playing tennis?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That is my weekend? And yelling at people for playing
their music too out in South Florida that is definitely
going to happen as well. They they may or may
like the local like law enforcement may be familiar with
me at this point. Just from the excuse me, sir,
there is loud music emanating from a party down the street.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
I feel the base buck does not like the male base.
What's a male caaren I don't even know what that is.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.