November 19, 2023 • 27 mins
Has diversity casting jumped the shark? Clay’s WNBA bet.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Bold reverence and occasionally random The Sunday Hang With podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It starts now.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm wondering if you can give us an update here.
So you put out a bet, so to speak, that
a million dollars of your money up against a Was
it a WNBA player specifically or yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
So what happened was I said that I thought a
boys high school, like back in February, a state champion
boys high school team, I said, I thought, would beat,
you know, in a big state. You know, I was saying,
not like North Dakota or Rhode Island or something like that,
like Texas, California, New York, a state with a lot
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of people, even my home state of Tennessee, would beat
the WNBA champions And that thing went viral and one
of the members of the WNBA championship team, I guess
it's the Las Vegas Aces called me a dumb ass,
and so look.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Is our favorite WNBA franchise, to be fair, because it's
the only one I could name off the top of
my head right now.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Las Vegas Aces player call me a dumbass. Now, a
lot of you out there may be saying, you know,
what is a good argument there? My wife agrees on
some level that it could be fair to call me
a dumbass. But I said, okay, I'll put my money
where my mouth is. Las Vegas A says, you put
up a million dollars WNBA would be the most watched
WNBA game of all time. I'll put up a million
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dollars on behalf of a boys high school state championship
team that I will select. Whichever team wins gets a
million dollars. Now, the WNBA players, they say they're always underpaid.
It's a big part of the Britney Grinder story. Oh
she had to go to Russia because she doesn't get
paid enough money equal pay equark. Okay, a million dollars.
That's more than almost the whole team makes in a year.
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And if they win, they get a million dollars in
my money. If they lose, I said, they give a
million dollars, or the WNBA or their owner, whoever it is,
gives a million dollars to this boys high school team
that I would win that bet and I would give
it to him. So this company bet Online reached out
to me and they said, hey, we'll put up the
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million dollars on behalf of this WNBA team. All they
have to do is go out and win a basketball
game now, and they'll get a million dollars. All they
have to do is beat a team of high school
state champion boys that I would pick. They won't take
the challenge.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I want to throw one more out there. Yeah, what
if they said, I'll take you up on this, but
only if you, Clay Travis, are one of the starters
and have to stay on the floor, have to stay
on the floor for at least half.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
The game against the WNBAS well. So what I would
suggest if they first of all, I mean, look, do
you think that I'm, as a showman, not going to
do that. I would say that the smart strategy would
be to play me for like third seconds as a starter,
then let all of these high school champion boys just
absolutely obliterate them and then bring me in in mop
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up duty, right Like, I think the guys that I
would pick would win by thirty plus play.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I mean, you've got you know, you got old man's strength.
You could box out. You know, you could probably throw
some elbows in the pain. I bet you could cause
some noise.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You know. You know what's funny, Buck you mentioned that
is my twelve year old. Last year, they didn't have
enough basketball players to do a scrimmage, so they needed
a dad to go in and get in where I
would pay for this. I ran. I ran a game,
five on five. I was the grown adult, you know,
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playing against the twelve year olds. They're about to be thirteen.
They're pretty good, by the way, pretty good basketball talent. Uh.
The worst part I would say of my performance was
I ran out to challenge a shot, ran out to
challenge a shot, and I just obliterated one of the kids.
I mean, just did you, Gavin dow some one of
these kids, did you just like like like well, I
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was running to try to challenge the shot, and uh,
and I think he passed and I did not control
my body. Well, so I just I mean I hit him.
I mean it's a twelve year old kid, you know
I wished.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, think about think about the media eyed headline Clay
Travis obliterates twelve year old on basketball court.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You know, great. I think I performed pretty well against
twelve year olds. Like, I didn't have any awful turnovers.
I most importantly did not pull any hamstrings or twist
any ankles, which is what I was most concerned about
and uh, the kids. I'll be honest with you, they
talked a lot of trash against me. I don't know
that they respected my game on an elite level. So uh,
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yeah I would. I don't think it would be very
fun to watch me play. I'm an okay, if they.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Try to up the a andy a little bit here,
you know, they try to get a little a little more,
I mean, throw a little spice into things.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, I would play. I mean, you know, I don't
think i'd look great in the uniform or anything, especially
not out there going back to short shorts.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But it also goes to you know, your your six
foot tall male and you know that's there are very
I mean how many how many.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The tallest woman on the w NBA championship team because
I went and looked at their roster as six ' four,
that's what I say. I mean, you'd basically be like
a center out there. Yeah, there are a lot of
high school teams that are good that would have you know,
three or four guys that are taller than the tallest
w w NBA player on their team.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Have you ever seen the video of that comedian who
tried to dunk and and managed to both.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I think I think.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
He like broke like ripped his like ripped his achilles
tendon and his a c Ellison you know I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
No, I was trying to dunk off like just a
normal running jump.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Tom he was on he was on the Rogan podcast
talking about this, and there actually is video of.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So he must have been able to dunk pretty easily
when he was young, right, I.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Guess I don't think. I don't think at all. I
don't think he was ever. I think they just kind
of dared him. And you know, he's like us, He's
a week he's a weekend warrior at best. That guy's
probably like late forties, maybe mid late forties. He's a
very funny comedian. And uh, and he tried to just
take off. I think it was a lowered rim. I
think they make the rim eight or nine feet Yeah, no,
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you I mean, you know, yeah, but I think that's
and and he tried, and he like catastrophically injured himself.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So just just.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
A reminder all the weekend warrior dads out there, stretch.
Gentlemen and the ladies. Make sure you stretch those hammies,
make sure you stretch. Out those calves.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
There would be a lot of people rooting if I
were in that game, for me to be severely injured,
there'd be a lot of people want the Achilles the eight,
so they'd want something happening.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
If you're if your jump shot got furiously rejected by
a w NBA player out there on the floor, twenty
million views on Twitter if we get that video, say
at least maybe one hundred.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I don't every every opinion that I ever gave for
the rest of my life, the first response would be
me getting swatted by the would.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Be it would be like a top story on ESPN
for a few days. I think as well, they'd have
to they'd have to forget about actual college at professional
athletics and just so Clay getting getting swatted.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So you know, I'm just throwing this idea out there.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
If they want to up the anti Clay, they got
to start Clay Travis with the high school boys team
against the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Those poor high school boys. Sunday hang with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't think we got into how the Marvel movie
has a Marvel's has bombed, which we should discuss a
little bit. Yes, the worst worst opening for a Marvel
movie ever, and this one was particularly woke. I think
a lot of like women leads or something in it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
How many Marvel movies have you seen, Oh.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Like less than three? I think I mean very few.
This is I mean, I grew up reading comic books. Yeah,
I just think most of the Marvel Universe movies are
just cgi headaches. I'll just be honest. I just think
there's no there's no story, there's no writing. It's all
just like like Aliens flying around New York City going
into buildings, while Hulk is like smash and you know,
I don't know, it's nothing.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I've seen almost all. We'll get into this and I
have I have pissed off like half the planet. Well
that's okay. The boys, I mean when you have young kids,
I was a kid, I probably like them. Yes, I've
seen every pretty much Marvel movie. I like some superhero movies.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, so to be fair, if you're talking about Iron Man,
like the original Iron Man movie, I thought it was
a good movie. Like I enjoyed that. I like The
Dark Knight and the Christian Bale. I like the original Batman.
I'm a superhero guy. I just think the Marvel universe
turned into it. It's just too many and there's like
no story and it's too much cgi. I'm just saying,
as you know, grumpy old man Buck is on his
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lawn and he's telling Hulk in four to get off
his lawn. That's all I'm saying. They probably will not
listen to me. Then there's something else too. You see
that they've cast Denzel Washington as Hannibal in a Netflix movie. Now,
I've been wondering when somebody the Second Punic War is
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one of the most amazing stories.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
In all of military history.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Okay, Hannibal Barka with a blood oath from from childhood,
leads this army, starts in Spain, goes up through the Alps,
comes down people just talking about the elephants. Basically all
the elephants died. But you have to read Livy's history
of Hannibal's War in order to know this stuff. But
they comes down and just kicks the Romans butts at
Lake Trasimani and Kenny and all these other Kenna people
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say different ways and is arguably the greatest general of
all time. I mean, it's him Napoleon, who also has
a movie coming out of Ridley Scott, which looks really good,
looks amazing. I will, I will, I will actually sit
in a theater with other people to see that that movie,
which is very rare for me.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
What does that movie come out? Is it Thanksgiving? I
don't know. I think soon ish. I've seen a lot
of press for it. I'm actually excited to watch that movie.
I think, really, Phoenix is Phoenix is going to be
clearly a.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Weirdo, but a very very talented actor that a lot
of very talented actors are so Hannibal is one of
the greatest generals of all time. They've cast Denzel Washington
to play Hannibal. Now, now people are getting into this
little bit. Denzel Washington, for me, is one of the
best actors of his generation, the five actor of his
generation period, full stop. One of the best actors living today.
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So it's not that Denzel Washington would not do a
phenomenal job. He's a phenomenal actor. Fine, but people are
getting into Okay, does it matter as a matter of
historical accurate if you're looking at historical accuracy that while
the city of Carthage was in North Africa, they are descendants.
It was essentially a colony of Phoenicians. Phoenicians come from
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what is currently the Levant, which would be Israel, Lebanon, Syria,
that area. So it was a Phoenician city even founded
before ancient Rome. Was it is not because people think
of North Africa and I think they think, oh Africa,
it's it's not some Saharan Africa. So basically, Hannibal white guys.
Hannibal would have looked like a Mediterranean Eastern Mediterranean perhaps
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white guy. Yes, that is what. That is the same.
By the way, people talk about this with Cleopatra. When
the Cleopatra movie came out as well, yeah, they said, all, well,
she lives in Egypt. No, she wouldn't have even an Arab
at that time. It was a Greek colony. The Greek said,
people have no knowledge of the Mediterranean and its history whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I actually find that a fascinating period. So I need
to re I'm fascinated by it too. Your knowledge. I'm
like a civil war history nerd. I need to study
more on on this. So I don't have a problem
with actors playing people that if they are incredibly talented actors,
that they may not represent perfectly from a racial didynamic, right,
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But I think it has to be consistent, and you
could well imagine who's a famous Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You had a Okay, Washington played Malcolm X phenomenally. It
was he was probably should have gotten the oscar for that,
but anyway, he was phenomenal in Malcolm. Yes, if you
had not, even if you had like an a super
talented you know, Asian American guy play Malcolm X, people
would completely lose their minds.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Correct. Now that's a more recent history. This is such
a good conversation. I think. Let me say this. I
went and saw Denzel Washington on a Broadway play and
it was I don't even remember what the play was.
I'm such a Denzel fan that my wife just was like,
I think you're gonna think this is badass, Like, let's
go see this play. I can't believe how talented he
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is in a Broadway play. Just I mean, he's amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But here's the thing, I'm fine if the rules are
we don't care, and anyone can play anyone because it's
all make believe anyway.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Fine, Yes, those have to be the rules.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
It can't be historical accuracy doesn't matter for wokeness purposes.
But whoa and other things you know, you can't have
some other guy. You know, it has to do consistent.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It's a good let's have a conversation about this when
it comes back. Does it matter how old it is
as a part of the analysis, because I think it
could Sundays with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, a few things in the world of entertainment that
are catching people's attention. One is that the Snow White
Woke remake is looking like it's gonna cost three hundred
million dollars. Then is a total disaster, and they have
delayed the release for a year. A three hundred million
dollar movie. Everybody, that is almost certainly going to be crap, right,
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I mean I would put, well, you've got more from
me on this.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
No, no, no, I was just gonna say, yes, that
is that one is the Disney thing you mentioned the Marvels.
I got the data on that to give me that
data from this article. Okay, So they have made this
is the thirty third superhero movie, and I bet I
have seen the Travis family has seen all thirty three collectively,
because my boys go see all these superhero movies. This one, though,
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Buck is called The Marvels and it's about a trio
of female superheroes whose powers become entangled. Yeah, Brie Larson,
Tiona Parris, and Emon Velani. It's a white woman, black woman,
and like Asian woman. I mean it is the most
clearly cloyingly diverse Leyden for purposes of diversity and not
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story movie that Marvel has made. It cost three hundred
million dollars to make. It made forty seven million dollars
in ticket sales this past weekend, the lowest ever opening
for a Marvel release. This guy, who is a film
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consultant and ticket sales expert quoted here, says this opening
is an unprecedented Marvel box office collapse. Until now, The
Incredible Hulk, which was released in two thousand and eight,
was the studio's worst debut. It did almost double what
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the Marvels did.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And I think that Incredible Hulk movie was leaked online.
If I remember before it actually hit the theaters. Do
you remember this is back when online piracy was this.
Oh yeah, I remember that yet, And.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I watched that movie. I didn't think it was as
bad as everybody said that. Ed Norton played the Incredible Hulk, right, Oh,
that was the Norton one. I'm thinking of the Eric
Banna one that came out that was maybe I screwed
it up. I'm not sure which one it was. But
the point on this is to you're building snow White
is the disaster, worst Pixar movie opening ever. And now
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that they had to stop doing Star Wars movies because
they got so woke, everybody was like, screw this. They
just had the funny south Park thing where Kathleen Kennedy,
who was in charge of all these movies, got ridiculed
and they they did a diverse version of south Park
where all of the south Park characters, many of whom
are white, are replaced by like transgender women like in
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the South Park Show, which is really really a funny concept,
but that's basically what's going on. This woke reinvention of
popular film has now blown up in Disney's face. Well,
here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
If if your primary if your primary mission is to
entertain that entertain people, that is challenging to do really well.
I mean to write a good story and execute on
it and have you know, otherwise there'd be nothing but
successful TV shows. Most TV shows bomb and once you
don't even realize. For most folks, I've been kind of
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involved in the very early stage of one or two
projects in my life, like scripted to TV shows. Most
TV shows don't even get passed or don't even get
made into pilots right or if they get made into
a pilot, they don't get beyond the pilot phase, or
if they get beyond the pilot phase, they don't get
picked up after season one. I mean, it's very difficult
to get shows made, and yet when you add on
top of it a political mission, not just what is
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going to entertain the largest audience possible that we're seeking
to entertain. When you decide that it's going to be
what will make other executives at my company think that
I'm a good person because you know, I want to
cast the most diverse version of you know, fill in
the blank whatever the show is going to be, ever
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made and the remakes. Also another thing you see is
there's a lot of you know, why not if you're
going to make these diverse films or diverse movie, diverse movies,
you would think that one way to do it would
just be create something new, But there's this desire to
always go back, I think, and make the diverse like
the snow white things a perfect example, make the diverse
version of snow white and so then that that then
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brings up this. I believe it's Antoine Fuquah who is
the director for the and he's done some good stuff.
He did Training Day. I mean, he's a good director.
I think this will be a good series. I think
Denzel Washington is an ex Denzel Washington is an excellent actor,
eate with world class. Like Clay said, top five, I
would co sign that for his generation. He's an amazing
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actor and I think he'll do an excellent job as Hannibal.
The Hannibal story is absolutely incredible. He's one of the
five greatest generals. I think you could argue of all
time based on what he was able to do and
just going around in a hostile territory with an army
and beating the greatest military power of the time over
and over again until eventually Skippio Africanist comes and they
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have the Battle of Zama and he loses. But anyway, Clay,
you have some people who are pointing out that there's
I think there are different takes on this right because
I'm of the mind and you said this too, that
you know you don't have to be paralyzed to play
a paralyzed character, right, Like, let's not get crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You don't have to be fat to play a fat person.
You don't have to be to play a trans person.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yes that there have been there have been people who
have said it is ablest to have an actor who
you know is not paralyzed play a paralyzed person. Is
make believe, Okay, so we start from that premise. It
is make believe in it is entertainment. The only thing
that I would point out is I do think it's
worth people knowing like if because there will be a
huge surgeon interest in the Second Punic War, I think,
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and you know, you'll see more podcasts about it and
more interest in it. Uh And it's a fascinating period
in ancient Roman history. You'll see a big surge of
interest in Hannibal. And I think Hannibal Barka will become
the most famous man of that name and not a
serial killer who like eats people's faces or whatever, because
that you know that that has been thanks to silence
of the Lambs. People thought Hannibal for a long time,
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and that's what they've thought of instead of one of
the greatest Uh. You know, Roman generals of all time,
I'm sorry, not Roman General's greatest generals of all time
obviously Carthaginian general. But Denzel Washington is black and he's
playing he's playing someone a historical character who is if
you actually look at the history not black. Is that
an issue? I don't think it's an issue. But I
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also think that people should one know the correct I
think it's we all should be on the same page
of what the correct history is. I don't think you
should change the history to sort of suit anyone's political
goals one way or the other. And then beyond that
these need to be the rules then, right, And this
is the part of it that this is where I
think it all falls down. Like I think if if
somebody wanted to you know, well, I mean, you even
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look at what's the show that ever? You know, you
look at Hamilton for example.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Oh, I think the Hamilton and now so there's a
great line in succession, many great lines. But they're having
a meeting to try to pick a Republican presidential contender,
and one of the guys says, yeah, this is the
meeting where you don't have to pretend that you like Hamilton,
which I thought was really funny, So I have no
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ask you a question. Did you like Hamilton?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I thought it was okay, I thought, of course, I
thought it was honestly boring garbage. And I don't mean
that because of the politics, Like I just thought it
wasn't enjoyable to watch.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I wasn't. Well. I've said before my big issue is
I don't like musicals. So I just every time I
understand that you can say like, I'm a cult you know,
a lack of cultured swine here. But every single time
that people start to sing in a musical, I just
think to myself, nobody would ever sing, like, just give
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me the story. I like story. I don't like singing stories.
I guess you're an opera guy either. Oh, I would
never go to the opera. Yeah, if I were single,
the girl would have to be so incredibly good looking
for me to be willing to go to the opera.
And my wife, I don't even think, would be willing
to try to get me to go to the opera
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because she'd be like, this is just going to be
such a battle. He's gonna fight it the whole way. Yeah,
I'm not an opera guy. I'm not a music guy
like you have if you have like four hours to kill.
The opera is a great Way show. So but what
I thought almost immediately was I do I thought it
was fine, Like I like the production aspects of Broadway plays.
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I went and took my kids to go see the
new Harry Potter like Cursed Child. I thought that was
pretty good. Not a musical, by the way, But if
you did a country and western version of the Obama
administration instead of a rap version of Alexander Hamilton country
and Western version of the Obama Administration, and like Garth
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Brooks played Barack Obama, people would lose their mind. Now,
I think it would actually be really really funny to
do a country and western version of the Obama administration.
And I don't know, you could have like who is
Taylor Swift play Michelle Obama? I don't know, to the
extent you want to count her as a country artist.
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People would lose their mind if white people played Barack
and Michelle Obama in a country and western version of
the Obama administration. If that is true, where is the
line on historical figures, for instance, like Frederick Douglas. If
they made a bio pick of Frederick Douglas and they
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put jo Kem Phoenix into play Frederick Frederick Douglas. People
would lose their minds. Remember the great that the movie's
really funny. Tropic Thunder? Is it Tropic Thunder? Or Robert
Downey Junior plays a black guy.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I was surprised that they were able to do that,
and there wasn't even more of a pushback, but they
were able to do it.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's that's a hysterical movie, and Robert Downey Junior playing
the black guy is really really funny. I'm with you.
I think if the standard, certainly for historical figures, I think,
you know, New Shakespeare is an example, all races play
Shakespeare because it is such a canonical element of Western
literature that it has been embraced worldwide. So you have
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agents to talk it's a fictional Hamlet.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, that's well, but there is no Hamlet really right,
like so you know Hamlet, but there are you know,
like there are from Denmark, so we probably you know,
he probably was a white guy.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Probably. It's such a member of the historical canon that
you know, all throughout Asia they're doing versions of Hamlet, right,
and so Asian actors everything else, So I think you
can go back far enough where it's such a part
of the cannon. What I don't like is this is
popular now on Netflix, Bridgerton, which is clearly set in
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you know, seventeen hundred's Jane Austen era. To my knowledge,
I haven't ever watched it England, and people are all
of different races. Well, it has a particular historical setting.
When you have people who are not of those races
suddenly there, it takes me in some way out of
the story. I don't think I was watching Jamselle as
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Hannibal is going to take me out of the story.
I was watching because I find Viking history.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
The Vikings are fascinating, and you know, there's been a
big surge in interest in Vikings over the last ten
or fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
That show.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Travis Himmel was in, you know that that guy, and
there have been a few others. Last The Last Kingdom,
which is on Netflix, is a phenomenal series. There have
been a number of but you know, the Vikings, you're
going into the eight hundreds and nine hundreds, there was
a Netflix a Viking something or other.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I even forget what it was called.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
It was like Vikings at war or vikings you know,
bloody fighting or something. I forget what it was called,
but yeah, whatever, But I mean I'm watching it, and
like one or two episodes in one of the Viking
Kings is a is cast as a like a king
of basically Denmark in the eight hundreds is a black female. Yeah,
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And I'm and it's and it's not that I've like,
it's not a problem with it other than I see
here and I say to myself, like, I mean, we're
everything else is historically accurate, right, We're just gonna We're
just gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, they don't suddenly just have somebody driving car in
the Viking series, right, like if somebody suddenly it was
like the element of motorcycle.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, Like, well that was authenticity, like like asking me
to suspend some degree displat I mean, for example, Game
of Thrones, there's a lot of diversity they they were
able to work in Game of Thrones, but it never
actually felt forced at all. It felt like they brought
in this character, brought in that character. There was nothing
in game. Now that's obviously all a fictional realm of
fictional world, but they were that was a very diverse show,
and they did it very well. I think it's one
of the greatest TV shows actually, you know, of all
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time when you really add it all up, even though
last two seasons kind of went off a cliff. But
you know, if you're going to like if you're going
to do George Washington Spiring circa seventeen seventy six, and
then all of a sudden there's a character who is
from like, you know, Tokyo who shows up, who's just like, hey, guys,
(26:46):
like I'm just I just happened to be here because
we needed some diversity.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Like it's problem. Well, like if you were doing a
movie on D Day and Dwight Eisenhower was black, I
think people would be like, hey, you know, I think
that this you know, at some point that historical cannon.
Here's a good way of putting it. What was the
movie that just came out about the African Queen, like
the Tribe Fighters.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Or whatever, about the Dahomie the Yes, the tribe, the
African tribe best known for enslaving other Africans.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
In fact, Yes, the Woman King, Woman King. Yes, Okay,
and there's a you know, star black woman in The
Woman King. If you had done the woman king and
it was a white chick like. They put Scarlett Johansson
in the role of the like. What would the reaction be.
I think you all know
Bold reverence and occasionally random The Sunday Hang With podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It starts now.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm wondering if you can give us an update here.
So you put out a bet, so to speak, that
a million dollars of your money up against a Was
it a WNBA player specifically or yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
So what happened was I said that I thought a
boys high school, like back in February, a state champion
boys high school team, I said, I thought, would beat,
you know, in a big state. You know, I was saying,
not like North Dakota or Rhode Island or something like that,
like Texas, California, New York, a state with a lot
(00:48):
of people, even my home state of Tennessee, would beat
the WNBA champions And that thing went viral and one
of the members of the WNBA championship team, I guess
it's the Las Vegas Aces called me a dumb ass,
and so look.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Is our favorite WNBA franchise, to be fair, because it's
the only one I could name off the top of
my head right now.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Las Vegas Aces player call me a dumbass. Now, a
lot of you out there may be saying, you know,
what is a good argument there? My wife agrees on
some level that it could be fair to call me
a dumbass. But I said, okay, I'll put my money
where my mouth is. Las Vegas A says, you put
up a million dollars WNBA would be the most watched
WNBA game of all time. I'll put up a million
(01:30):
dollars on behalf of a boys high school state championship
team that I will select. Whichever team wins gets a
million dollars. Now, the WNBA players, they say they're always underpaid.
It's a big part of the Britney Grinder story. Oh
she had to go to Russia because she doesn't get
paid enough money equal pay equark. Okay, a million dollars.
That's more than almost the whole team makes in a year.
(01:50):
And if they win, they get a million dollars in
my money. If they lose, I said, they give a
million dollars, or the WNBA or their owner, whoever it is,
gives a million dollars to this boys high school team
that I would win that bet and I would give
it to him. So this company bet Online reached out
to me and they said, hey, we'll put up the
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million dollars on behalf of this WNBA team. All they
have to do is go out and win a basketball
game now, and they'll get a million dollars. All they
have to do is beat a team of high school
state champion boys that I would pick. They won't take
the challenge.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I want to throw one more out there. Yeah, what
if they said, I'll take you up on this, but
only if you, Clay Travis, are one of the starters
and have to stay on the floor, have to stay
on the floor for at least half.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
The game against the WNBAS well. So what I would
suggest if they first of all, I mean, look, do
you think that I'm, as a showman, not going to
do that. I would say that the smart strategy would
be to play me for like third seconds as a starter,
then let all of these high school champion boys just
absolutely obliterate them and then bring me in in mop
(03:09):
up duty, right Like, I think the guys that I
would pick would win by thirty plus play.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I mean, you've got you know, you got old man's strength.
You could box out. You know, you could probably throw
some elbows in the pain. I bet you could cause
some noise.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You know. You know what's funny, Buck you mentioned that
is my twelve year old. Last year, they didn't have
enough basketball players to do a scrimmage, so they needed
a dad to go in and get in where I
would pay for this. I ran. I ran a game,
five on five. I was the grown adult, you know,
(03:41):
playing against the twelve year olds. They're about to be thirteen.
They're pretty good, by the way, pretty good basketball talent. Uh.
The worst part I would say of my performance was
I ran out to challenge a shot, ran out to
challenge a shot, and I just obliterated one of the kids.
I mean, just did you, Gavin dow some one of
these kids, did you just like like like well, I
(04:04):
was running to try to challenge the shot, and uh,
and I think he passed and I did not control
my body. Well, so I just I mean I hit him.
I mean it's a twelve year old kid, you know
I wished.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, think about think about the media eyed headline Clay
Travis obliterates twelve year old on basketball court.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You know, great. I think I performed pretty well against
twelve year olds. Like, I didn't have any awful turnovers.
I most importantly did not pull any hamstrings or twist
any ankles, which is what I was most concerned about
and uh, the kids. I'll be honest with you, they
talked a lot of trash against me. I don't know
that they respected my game on an elite level. So uh,
(04:44):
yeah I would. I don't think it would be very
fun to watch me play. I'm an okay, if they.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Try to up the a andy a little bit here,
you know, they try to get a little a little more,
I mean, throw a little spice into things.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, I would play. I mean, you know, I don't
think i'd look great in the uniform or anything, especially
not out there going back to short shorts.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But it also goes to you know, your your six
foot tall male and you know that's there are very
I mean how many how many.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The tallest woman on the w NBA championship team because
I went and looked at their roster as six ' four,
that's what I say. I mean, you'd basically be like
a center out there. Yeah, there are a lot of
high school teams that are good that would have you know,
three or four guys that are taller than the tallest
w w NBA player on their team.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Have you ever seen the video of that comedian who
tried to dunk and and managed to both.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I think I think.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
He like broke like ripped his like ripped his achilles
tendon and his a c Ellison you know I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
No, I was trying to dunk off like just a
normal running jump.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Tom he was on he was on the Rogan podcast
talking about this, and there actually is video of.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So he must have been able to dunk pretty easily
when he was young, right, I.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Guess I don't think. I don't think at all. I
don't think he was ever. I think they just kind
of dared him. And you know, he's like us, He's
a week he's a weekend warrior at best. That guy's
probably like late forties, maybe mid late forties. He's a
very funny comedian. And uh, and he tried to just
take off. I think it was a lowered rim. I
think they make the rim eight or nine feet Yeah, no,
(06:20):
you I mean, you know, yeah, but I think that's
and and he tried, and he like catastrophically injured himself.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So just just.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
A reminder all the weekend warrior dads out there, stretch.
Gentlemen and the ladies. Make sure you stretch those hammies,
make sure you stretch. Out those calves.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
There would be a lot of people rooting if I
were in that game, for me to be severely injured,
there'd be a lot of people want the Achilles the eight,
so they'd want something happening.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
If you're if your jump shot got furiously rejected by
a w NBA player out there on the floor, twenty
million views on Twitter if we get that video, say
at least maybe one hundred.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I don't every every opinion that I ever gave for
the rest of my life, the first response would be
me getting swatted by the would.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Be it would be like a top story on ESPN
for a few days. I think as well, they'd have
to they'd have to forget about actual college at professional
athletics and just so Clay getting getting swatted.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So you know, I'm just throwing this idea out there.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
If they want to up the anti Clay, they got
to start Clay Travis with the high school boys team
against the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Those poor high school boys. Sunday hang with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't think we got into how the Marvel movie
has a Marvel's has bombed, which we should discuss a
little bit. Yes, the worst worst opening for a Marvel
movie ever, and this one was particularly woke. I think
a lot of like women leads or something in it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
How many Marvel movies have you seen, Oh.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Like less than three? I think I mean very few.
This is I mean, I grew up reading comic books. Yeah,
I just think most of the Marvel Universe movies are
just cgi headaches. I'll just be honest. I just think
there's no there's no story, there's no writing. It's all
just like like Aliens flying around New York City going
into buildings, while Hulk is like smash and you know,
I don't know, it's nothing.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I've seen almost all. We'll get into this and I
have I have pissed off like half the planet. Well
that's okay. The boys, I mean when you have young kids,
I was a kid, I probably like them. Yes, I've
seen every pretty much Marvel movie. I like some superhero movies.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, so to be fair, if you're talking about Iron Man,
like the original Iron Man movie, I thought it was
a good movie. Like I enjoyed that. I like The
Dark Knight and the Christian Bale. I like the original Batman.
I'm a superhero guy. I just think the Marvel universe
turned into it. It's just too many and there's like
no story and it's too much cgi. I'm just saying,
as you know, grumpy old man Buck is on his
(08:54):
lawn and he's telling Hulk in four to get off
his lawn. That's all I'm saying. They probably will not
listen to me. Then there's something else too. You see
that they've cast Denzel Washington as Hannibal in a Netflix movie. Now,
I've been wondering when somebody the Second Punic War is
(09:15):
one of the most amazing stories.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
In all of military history.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Okay, Hannibal Barka with a blood oath from from childhood,
leads this army, starts in Spain, goes up through the Alps,
comes down people just talking about the elephants. Basically all
the elephants died. But you have to read Livy's history
of Hannibal's War in order to know this stuff. But
they comes down and just kicks the Romans butts at
Lake Trasimani and Kenny and all these other Kenna people
(09:43):
say different ways and is arguably the greatest general of
all time. I mean, it's him Napoleon, who also has
a movie coming out of Ridley Scott, which looks really good,
looks amazing. I will, I will, I will actually sit
in a theater with other people to see that that movie,
which is very rare for me.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
What does that movie come out? Is it Thanksgiving? I
don't know. I think soon ish. I've seen a lot
of press for it. I'm actually excited to watch that movie.
I think, really, Phoenix is Phoenix is going to be
clearly a.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Weirdo, but a very very talented actor that a lot
of very talented actors are so Hannibal is one of
the greatest generals of all time. They've cast Denzel Washington
to play Hannibal. Now, now people are getting into this
little bit. Denzel Washington, for me, is one of the
best actors of his generation, the five actor of his
generation period, full stop. One of the best actors living today.
(10:33):
So it's not that Denzel Washington would not do a
phenomenal job. He's a phenomenal actor. Fine, but people are
getting into Okay, does it matter as a matter of
historical accurate if you're looking at historical accuracy that while
the city of Carthage was in North Africa, they are descendants.
It was essentially a colony of Phoenicians. Phoenicians come from
(10:56):
what is currently the Levant, which would be Israel, Lebanon, Syria,
that area. So it was a Phoenician city even founded
before ancient Rome. Was it is not because people think
of North Africa and I think they think, oh Africa,
it's it's not some Saharan Africa. So basically, Hannibal white guys.
Hannibal would have looked like a Mediterranean Eastern Mediterranean perhaps
(11:19):
white guy. Yes, that is what. That is the same.
By the way, people talk about this with Cleopatra. When
the Cleopatra movie came out as well, yeah, they said, all, well,
she lives in Egypt. No, she wouldn't have even an Arab
at that time. It was a Greek colony. The Greek said,
people have no knowledge of the Mediterranean and its history whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I actually find that a fascinating period. So I need
to re I'm fascinated by it too. Your knowledge. I'm
like a civil war history nerd. I need to study
more on on this. So I don't have a problem
with actors playing people that if they are incredibly talented actors,
that they may not represent perfectly from a racial didynamic, right,
(12:00):
But I think it has to be consistent, and you
could well imagine who's a famous Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You had a Okay, Washington played Malcolm X phenomenally. It
was he was probably should have gotten the oscar for that,
but anyway, he was phenomenal in Malcolm. Yes, if you
had not, even if you had like an a super
talented you know, Asian American guy play Malcolm X, people
would completely lose their minds.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Correct. Now that's a more recent history. This is such
a good conversation. I think. Let me say this. I
went and saw Denzel Washington on a Broadway play and
it was I don't even remember what the play was.
I'm such a Denzel fan that my wife just was like,
I think you're gonna think this is badass, Like, let's
go see this play. I can't believe how talented he
(12:49):
is in a Broadway play. Just I mean, he's amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But here's the thing, I'm fine if the rules are
we don't care, and anyone can play anyone because it's
all make believe anyway.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Fine, Yes, those have to be the rules.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
It can't be historical accuracy doesn't matter for wokeness purposes.
But whoa and other things you know, you can't have
some other guy. You know, it has to do consistent.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It's a good let's have a conversation about this when
it comes back. Does it matter how old it is
as a part of the analysis, because I think it
could Sundays with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, a few things in the world of entertainment that
are catching people's attention. One is that the Snow White
Woke remake is looking like it's gonna cost three hundred
million dollars. Then is a total disaster, and they have
delayed the release for a year. A three hundred million
dollar movie. Everybody, that is almost certainly going to be crap, right,
(13:51):
I mean I would put, well, you've got more from
me on this.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
No, no, no, I was just gonna say, yes, that
is that one is the Disney thing you mentioned the Marvels.
I got the data on that to give me that
data from this article. Okay, So they have made this
is the thirty third superhero movie, and I bet I
have seen the Travis family has seen all thirty three collectively,
because my boys go see all these superhero movies. This one, though,
(14:15):
Buck is called The Marvels and it's about a trio
of female superheroes whose powers become entangled. Yeah, Brie Larson,
Tiona Parris, and Emon Velani. It's a white woman, black woman,
and like Asian woman. I mean it is the most
clearly cloyingly diverse Leyden for purposes of diversity and not
(14:41):
story movie that Marvel has made. It cost three hundred
million dollars to make. It made forty seven million dollars
in ticket sales this past weekend, the lowest ever opening
for a Marvel release. This guy, who is a film
(15:02):
consultant and ticket sales expert quoted here, says this opening
is an unprecedented Marvel box office collapse. Until now, The
Incredible Hulk, which was released in two thousand and eight,
was the studio's worst debut. It did almost double what
(15:25):
the Marvels did.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And I think that Incredible Hulk movie was leaked online.
If I remember before it actually hit the theaters. Do
you remember this is back when online piracy was this.
Oh yeah, I remember that yet, And.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I watched that movie. I didn't think it was as
bad as everybody said that. Ed Norton played the Incredible Hulk, right, Oh,
that was the Norton one. I'm thinking of the Eric
Banna one that came out that was maybe I screwed
it up. I'm not sure which one it was. But
the point on this is to you're building snow White
is the disaster, worst Pixar movie opening ever. And now
(15:56):
that they had to stop doing Star Wars movies because
they got so woke, everybody was like, screw this. They
just had the funny south Park thing where Kathleen Kennedy,
who was in charge of all these movies, got ridiculed
and they they did a diverse version of south Park
where all of the south Park characters, many of whom
are white, are replaced by like transgender women like in
(16:20):
the South Park Show, which is really really a funny concept,
but that's basically what's going on. This woke reinvention of
popular film has now blown up in Disney's face. Well,
here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
If if your primary if your primary mission is to
entertain that entertain people, that is challenging to do really well.
I mean to write a good story and execute on
it and have you know, otherwise there'd be nothing but
successful TV shows. Most TV shows bomb and once you
don't even realize. For most folks, I've been kind of
(16:56):
involved in the very early stage of one or two
projects in my life, like scripted to TV shows. Most
TV shows don't even get passed or don't even get
made into pilots right or if they get made into
a pilot, they don't get beyond the pilot phase, or
if they get beyond the pilot phase, they don't get
picked up after season one. I mean, it's very difficult
to get shows made, and yet when you add on
top of it a political mission, not just what is
(17:19):
going to entertain the largest audience possible that we're seeking
to entertain. When you decide that it's going to be
what will make other executives at my company think that
I'm a good person because you know, I want to
cast the most diverse version of you know, fill in
the blank whatever the show is going to be, ever
(17:39):
made and the remakes. Also another thing you see is
there's a lot of you know, why not if you're
going to make these diverse films or diverse movie, diverse movies,
you would think that one way to do it would
just be create something new, But there's this desire to
always go back, I think, and make the diverse like
the snow white things a perfect example, make the diverse
version of snow white and so then that that then
(18:00):
brings up this. I believe it's Antoine Fuquah who is
the director for the and he's done some good stuff.
He did Training Day. I mean, he's a good director.
I think this will be a good series. I think
Denzel Washington is an ex Denzel Washington is an excellent actor,
eate with world class. Like Clay said, top five, I
would co sign that for his generation. He's an amazing
(18:24):
actor and I think he'll do an excellent job as Hannibal.
The Hannibal story is absolutely incredible. He's one of the
five greatest generals. I think you could argue of all
time based on what he was able to do and
just going around in a hostile territory with an army
and beating the greatest military power of the time over
and over again until eventually Skippio Africanist comes and they
(18:47):
have the Battle of Zama and he loses. But anyway, Clay,
you have some people who are pointing out that there's
I think there are different takes on this right because
I'm of the mind and you said this too, that
you know you don't have to be paralyzed to play
a paralyzed character, right, Like, let's not get crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You don't have to be fat to play a fat person.
You don't have to be to play a trans person.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yes that there have been there have been people who
have said it is ablest to have an actor who
you know is not paralyzed play a paralyzed person. Is
make believe, Okay, so we start from that premise. It
is make believe in it is entertainment. The only thing
that I would point out is I do think it's
worth people knowing like if because there will be a
huge surgeon interest in the Second Punic War, I think,
(19:31):
and you know, you'll see more podcasts about it and
more interest in it. Uh And it's a fascinating period
in ancient Roman history. You'll see a big surge of
interest in Hannibal. And I think Hannibal Barka will become
the most famous man of that name and not a
serial killer who like eats people's faces or whatever, because
that you know that that has been thanks to silence
of the Lambs. People thought Hannibal for a long time,
(19:52):
and that's what they've thought of instead of one of
the greatest Uh. You know, Roman generals of all time,
I'm sorry, not Roman General's greatest generals of all time
obviously Carthaginian general. But Denzel Washington is black and he's
playing he's playing someone a historical character who is if
you actually look at the history not black. Is that
an issue? I don't think it's an issue. But I
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also think that people should one know the correct I
think it's we all should be on the same page
of what the correct history is. I don't think you
should change the history to sort of suit anyone's political
goals one way or the other. And then beyond that
these need to be the rules then, right, And this
is the part of it that this is where I
think it all falls down. Like I think if if
somebody wanted to you know, well, I mean, you even
(20:34):
look at what's the show that ever? You know, you
look at Hamilton for example.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Oh, I think the Hamilton and now so there's a
great line in succession, many great lines. But they're having
a meeting to try to pick a Republican presidential contender,
and one of the guys says, yeah, this is the
meeting where you don't have to pretend that you like Hamilton,
which I thought was really funny, So I have no
(20:59):
ask you a question. Did you like Hamilton?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I thought it was okay, I thought, of course, I
thought it was honestly boring garbage. And I don't mean
that because of the politics, Like I just thought it
wasn't enjoyable to watch.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I wasn't. Well. I've said before my big issue is
I don't like musicals. So I just every time I
understand that you can say like, I'm a cult you know,
a lack of cultured swine here. But every single time
that people start to sing in a musical, I just
think to myself, nobody would ever sing, like, just give
(21:31):
me the story. I like story. I don't like singing stories.
I guess you're an opera guy either. Oh, I would
never go to the opera. Yeah, if I were single,
the girl would have to be so incredibly good looking
for me to be willing to go to the opera.
And my wife, I don't even think, would be willing
to try to get me to go to the opera
(21:52):
because she'd be like, this is just going to be
such a battle. He's gonna fight it the whole way. Yeah,
I'm not an opera guy. I'm not a music guy
like you have if you have like four hours to kill.
The opera is a great Way show. So but what
I thought almost immediately was I do I thought it
was fine, Like I like the production aspects of Broadway plays.
(22:12):
I went and took my kids to go see the
new Harry Potter like Cursed Child. I thought that was
pretty good. Not a musical, by the way, But if
you did a country and western version of the Obama
administration instead of a rap version of Alexander Hamilton country
and Western version of the Obama Administration, and like Garth
(22:34):
Brooks played Barack Obama, people would lose their mind. Now,
I think it would actually be really really funny to
do a country and western version of the Obama administration.
And I don't know, you could have like who is
Taylor Swift play Michelle Obama? I don't know, to the
extent you want to count her as a country artist.
(22:55):
People would lose their mind if white people played Barack
and Michelle Obama in a country and western version of
the Obama administration. If that is true, where is the
line on historical figures, for instance, like Frederick Douglas. If
they made a bio pick of Frederick Douglas and they
(23:15):
put jo Kem Phoenix into play Frederick Frederick Douglas. People
would lose their minds. Remember the great that the movie's
really funny. Tropic Thunder? Is it Tropic Thunder? Or Robert
Downey Junior plays a black guy.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I was surprised that they were able to do that,
and there wasn't even more of a pushback, but they
were able to do it.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's that's a hysterical movie, and Robert Downey Junior playing
the black guy is really really funny. I'm with you.
I think if the standard, certainly for historical figures, I think,
you know, New Shakespeare is an example, all races play
Shakespeare because it is such a canonical element of Western
literature that it has been embraced worldwide. So you have
(23:59):
agents to talk it's a fictional Hamlet.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, that's well, but there is no Hamlet really right,
like so you know Hamlet, but there are you know,
like there are from Denmark, so we probably you know,
he probably was a white guy.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Probably. It's such a member of the historical canon that
you know, all throughout Asia they're doing versions of Hamlet, right,
and so Asian actors everything else, So I think you
can go back far enough where it's such a part
of the cannon. What I don't like is this is
popular now on Netflix, Bridgerton, which is clearly set in
(24:33):
you know, seventeen hundred's Jane Austen era. To my knowledge,
I haven't ever watched it England, and people are all
of different races. Well, it has a particular historical setting.
When you have people who are not of those races
suddenly there, it takes me in some way out of
the story. I don't think I was watching Jamselle as
(24:54):
Hannibal is going to take me out of the story.
I was watching because I find Viking history.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
The Vikings are fascinating, and you know, there's been a
big surge in interest in Vikings over the last ten
or fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
That show.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Travis Himmel was in, you know that that guy, and
there have been a few others. Last The Last Kingdom,
which is on Netflix, is a phenomenal series. There have
been a number of but you know, the Vikings, you're
going into the eight hundreds and nine hundreds, there was
a Netflix a Viking something or other.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I even forget what it was called.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
It was like Vikings at war or vikings you know,
bloody fighting or something. I forget what it was called,
but yeah, whatever, But I mean I'm watching it, and
like one or two episodes in one of the Viking
Kings is a is cast as a like a king
of basically Denmark in the eight hundreds is a black female. Yeah,
(25:46):
And I'm and it's and it's not that I've like,
it's not a problem with it other than I see
here and I say to myself, like, I mean, we're
everything else is historically accurate, right, We're just gonna We're
just gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, they don't suddenly just have somebody driving car in
the Viking series, right, like if somebody suddenly it was
like the element of motorcycle.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, Like, well that was authenticity, like like asking me
to suspend some degree displat I mean, for example, Game
of Thrones, there's a lot of diversity they they were
able to work in Game of Thrones, but it never
actually felt forced at all. It felt like they brought
in this character, brought in that character. There was nothing
in game. Now that's obviously all a fictional realm of
fictional world, but they were that was a very diverse show,
and they did it very well. I think it's one
of the greatest TV shows actually, you know, of all
(26:26):
time when you really add it all up, even though
last two seasons kind of went off a cliff. But
you know, if you're going to like if you're going
to do George Washington Spiring circa seventeen seventy six, and
then all of a sudden there's a character who is
from like, you know, Tokyo who shows up, who's just like, hey, guys,
(26:46):
like I'm just I just happened to be here because
we needed some diversity.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Like it's problem. Well, like if you were doing a
movie on D Day and Dwight Eisenhower was black, I
think people would be like, hey, you know, I think
that this you know, at some point that historical cannon.
Here's a good way of putting it. What was the
movie that just came out about the African Queen, like
the Tribe Fighters.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Or whatever, about the Dahomie the Yes, the tribe, the
African tribe best known for enslaving other Africans.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
In fact, Yes, the Woman King, Woman King. Yes, Okay,
and there's a you know, star black woman in The
Woman King. If you had done the woman king and
it was a white chick like. They put Scarlett Johansson
in the role of the like. What would the reaction be.
I think you all know
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