January 22, 2023 • 57 mins
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NY Times Best-selling author Ann Coulter launches into what she sees as the biggest single problem today: the tsunami of illegal immigration. Ann says that a wall is the only way to bring the border under control. She also weighs in on what happened in the 2022 midterms, and who the most formidable presidential candidates will be for the Democrats and GOP in 2024. Plus Buck asks Ann what happened to debates on tv, what does she think of the Andrew Tate phenomenon, and her thoughts on the smash hit show Yellowstone.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody, welcome to the new edition of the Buck
Sexton Show. We're gonna be doing long form conversations, sit downs,
hanging out with people, having fireside chats. Although there's no
fireplace in here because I'm in Miami. There's not a
lot of fireplaces in Miami in general. But we are
joined by a fantastic first guest, and Coulter. She has
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written thirteen New York Times bestsellers, including a number of
number one best sellers. You know her from well all
of her appearances on TV, from her fierce Twitter game,
and of course because she is the one and only
end Coulter. Miss Coulter, thank you for being with us.
Appreciate you and sub sac that's how you know me.
Oh now, how does every subscribe to your substack? And well,
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thank you for asking Buck Sexton and Coulter dot subsack
dot com. That's that's the only place you can get
a Culter unfiltered no ads. Well, maybe here tonight with you, Buck,
there we go fantastic Yes, so, and tell me some
things here first and foremost, what is top of mind
for you in the country right now? If you could
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fix let's start with that and fix one thing for
me in America, what would it be? We need a
big beautiful wall. I was promised a big beautiful wall.
But I mean, seriously, there's a reason. That's what carried
this buffoon, Donald Trump to president in two thousand sixteen.
Whether or not the talking heads appreciated or the New
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York Times appreciate it, Americans voted for the big beautiful wall,
and we're seeing under Biden the problem with him not
having built that wall. Estimates are I mean, they've caught
and released more than two million illegals. The estimates go
up to five million only since Biden has been president.
And I mean there are a lot of reasons not
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to like that with it's going to be suppressing, hurting
the least among us those low wage workers who actually,
surprisingly I will admit, did pretty well under Trump. Why
because you know, with these temporary measures and a lot
of it was just his rhetoric. He's scared off illegals
from trying to come based on the campaign, and then
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after you know, he was in office for about a year,
they realized he's not doing anything. We go, let's go back.
But for the there's cultural reasons to care about this.
We are the greatest country in the world and we
do have. So can I ask you this in because
you've been you were the original on the argument here
for well, first I mean first secure border that involved
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a wall, and in fact, Trump I believe early on
was even telling people that he read Audios America, your
book and that this is where the idea for this
largely largely came from. So I've been down to the
border a bunch of times, no question, and I love
this argument with libs. I've had it with them and
they always get very, very frustrated. A wall helps and
if you talk to border patrol, they'll say it absolutely
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is helpful because even in areas where the wall doesn't exist,
there's fewer sorry, they can have fewer resources. Is where
they have no you know, where they have a wall
versus where they have no wall, right, so they can
kind of focus in on the high traffic areas of drugs.
A high traffic problem though we got even if we
had a wall, they are surrendering. This is what's going.
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So I want to know how we deal with that
issue because people are showing up. The wall stops the
drug traffickers, the single male migrants when I say, stops,
you know, makes it harder for them, right, and makes
border patrol's job easier. But you have family units that
show up to the border wall or anywhere and essentially
walk in and they say, hey, here, I am right.
So and even in a wall situation, they go to
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a port of entry, they go to areas where you know,
the wall isn't that big, they go over it. And
now they say, I want asylum in your country. So
what do we do about that? Well, we invent a
time machine. We go back and make keeper's promises. Two
things about what you just said. Yeah, of course they're
they're going to be some entry points, but we want
a big wall across the entire border, not the thirty
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three miles that Trump built. I do not think that
if he had kept his promise, Biden would have come in,
And what a Biden wouldn't have come in. Trump would
have won reelection if he had kept his promises. But moreover,
even if even if a Democrat didn't come in, they're
not going to rip down a wall. It took, you know,
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like the Great Chinese Wall or the Great Wall of China.
That's why we want a wall, because different administrations are
going to have different policies and as long as the
border is open, and it's just a matter of well,
does the president want to protect American jobs or doesn't
he want to protect American jobs? And part of what
the Democrats just hauling the millions upon millions of illegals,
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in part of it is just a response to Trump.
We were always worried about that that he can, on
one hand, even back down, but he was so borish
about making the points from Adios America and I don't
need exactly make in a Marquis to Queensberry's way, but
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he took it to another level, that whole Mexican rapist thing.
Oh it's in my book, but um I would have
phrased it slightly differently as I did. And the reaction
to Trump was was so the concern was he could
end up making it worse and destroying these issues that
a lot of people like but lots of others have
been working on for years and caring about the American
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people here about and I think we've seen that with
the whole Democratic Party. If Trump was for it, we
are against what Biden is doing at the border. Obama
would never have done this isn't open. This is an
open border. I mean, right, if we're being honest about it,
they're doing everything they can to make sure as many
people as possible can stay at this point, and there's
no interior enforcement. I mean, it has been funny. I'm
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sure you've seen the clips. These are real clips. We're
not This is not a joke in the sense that
we're making this up. There are migrants who show up
and they say, I'm here because of Joe Biden. Right,
they mean they're they're showing up and they're straight up saying,
oh no, the cartels have told me this is a
great time to get here because of Joe Biden. Yes,
and two other things. I was going to mention, in
addition to changing the culture and really being very harmful
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to low wage workers, perhaps we should care about low
wage workers. The other reason the Democrats I am a
reaction Trump. The other reason the Democrats want this is
manifestly because they want Third worlders to become US citizens
and start voting. And what effects will that have? Oh,
Republicans keep telling me that Hispanics they're natural Republicans, natural Republicans. Well,
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oh my gosh, what happened to California. I had a
young kid. I'm starting to a young kid this weekend.
He was saying, I just don't understand why Californians vote
for Gavin Newsom because it's plurality Hispanic now, and Hispanics
may not like the Trands stuff if you ask them.
They may not like the abortion stuff, but they want welfare,
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they want the government aid, and they know they're going
to get that from the Democrats. So the state that
once gave us Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, you couldn't
get elected dog catcher in California right now. And I mean,
it's completely insane the things that Gavin Newsom is doing
in California. I kind of hope that the Democrats do
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move Biden aside. Well, be careful what you wish for, Yeah,
but I don't think the rest of the country is
ready for Gavin Newsom. Did you see Eric Adams. I
always want someone to explain this to me. Eric Adams
is the mayor of New York City, and I would
I would add not a good one, just in case
anyone's wondering we were supposed to be. Oh, he's going
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to clean up all the streets and the problems that no, no,
that that's actually not correct, but anyway, and it's really
I think because a lot of entrenched interests from the
Democrat machine in the City of New York are just
no longer. If people knew what's really going on in
the District Attorney's office and the woke lunatics who are
the rank and file in places like that, now, they
would they would flee for places where you could go,
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you know, off grid and and you know, made sure
that they had acts as to their own fresh drinking water.
But he went to the southern border, and I think
it's fascinating because he's there and migrants that he met
with said, oh, we hear you take great care of
us in New York, so we want to go to
New York. So you're an El Paso, you're an illegal migrant.
You're saying, well, I want to go to New York City. Meanwhile,
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New York City's mayor is also telling everybody, we can't
afford the illegal migrants anymore. The city of Viewer can't
afford them. Now. I just think this is so interesting
because I thought we weren't allowed to say that they
were a drain on public resources. Well, when did we
just step to When did we skip to all of
a sudden, legal migrants are really expensive? Right? No? And
I mean it does. I think it ought to remind
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people what a total hero and genius the governor of
Florida is, Ron de Santos. That Martha's vineyard stunt was
the most brilliant political stunt. That's what liberal media calls it, stunt,
the most brilliant political stunt of my lifetime. Now you
have the very very very progressive gay governor of Colorado
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doing the exact same thing. He's sending his illegals to
New York. And suddenly these liberal states that in this
home we believe, suddenly they get they get a look
at what it's like having the Third World dumped in
their towns and cities and schools and hospitals, and not
so himp to it. Now, one other thing I wanted
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to mention before the moment passes. Obviously, I love our
borders security guards. They're the last people you want to
check with on what's needed at the border. This used
to drive me crazy when Trump would do it. Well,
I've talked to them, and you see it's very important.
They want a wall they can see through. No, you
don't check with the people whose job will be made
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obsolete by a big, beautiful wall. No, no, no no, we
can have breaks in it here. It'll just be easier
for us here. And look, I love them, but everyone
is like this. You don't want something that's going to
replace your job. You don't want. I mean you've probably
seen but and I mean even i I've still even
donald even the double fence for example. People people do
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so so the border patrol guys, when when I've spoken
them about I've seen illegals crossing. I've seen the whole
thing happen in real time. It's not hard because it's
happening constantly, thousands and thousands of people a day, and
because of the fence, they're slowed down. But there's always
gonna be ways to get through. I mean, so I'm
saying you're gonna need you need border patrol even with
the wall, right, Like if you have a if you
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have a moat and a high wall at your castle,
you'll still need knights to defend the castle. Otherwise, you know,
there's no such thing as a wall that's going to
do the job entirely for it, saying they will be
completely gone. But that's not that they are not experts
on how to keep people out of your country. You
know who are experts. Israel is an expert. Check with
them on their wall. The first year they put it
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up illegal immigration one down by I believe ninety percent.
Um it may be more than ninety percent. That wasn't
good enough for Israel. So their wall goes deep, deep,
deep into the ground. Yes, they still have security guards
and by the way, they have detention cells. I mean
they have military. It's a military I've been to that
border wall. It's a militarized border full on. Yep. Well
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maybe we should have them running our border checks. Put
the saudiast by the way, are building a big fence
too along quite militarized, I'm sure, along with the YEMENI
So not the first time or the last time these
sorts of things have been happening. There's a big one
that I know of in China. There's a pretty famous
one in the northern England as well. So you know, walls,
walls do work. It has been a thing for a
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you know how, there's this big thing about the speaker
of the house. I want I want to ask you something.
You you know how these things there was all this bruha, However,
who the Speaker of the House is going to be.
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There's a part of me that was amazed at what
seemed like people caring so much about this. And I
kept trying to generally tell everybody, doesn't affect your life
at all. Is there a way we can start to
tell people things like, hey, there are things to be
fired up about, Like I think people should be much
more fired up about, how, you know, fentonyl not to
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go back to the border thing, but fentanyl is a
drug scourge that is far worse than anything we've ever
seen in this country, and yet it's like not something
that's focused on the news. Meanwhile, the news focused on
the Speaker of the House issue with McCart like, what
do you make of all that? Did you did you care?
Does it matter? Will it matter? My advice is cut
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the cord, don't watch cable. Think we're the only ones care.
I generally have MSNBC on in the background just so
I can monitor the enemy. But it's been pretty much
January six. Oh there's and there was UK Crane for
a while, and there's been one exciting new story that
representative of Santos isn't George Santos. You know, they're covering
that like January six and for the for the speaker vote.
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But then you would, you'd you'd go out on the
street and talk to normal people, and no one, absolutely
no one cared. Now as a political you know, nut
as we are, and probably a lot of a lot
of your listeners and my readers are. I actually think
it was a great thing. I think they got a
lot of good concessions out of McCarthy. I think they're
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a lot of great Republicans. There are a few things
that were stupid about it, but by and large, I mean,
we ended up avoiding having Dan Crenshaw as head of
Homeland Committee in the House, that's a good thing right there,
And it's sort of it's always good to scare Republican politicians,
especially Republican politicians who have been there for a while,
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the ones who would like to go establishment, listen to
the donors give them a good scare every once in
a while. Yeah, brush back pitch. I think I've learned
a lot of sports from Clay by the way we
talk about these things now, you know, I'm sort of like, yeah,
that's a that's I can't even think of anything off
top ahead now, but that's a sports thing that people
get excited about. A brushback pitch. That's one that I
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know now, which I think is important for some Republicans,
especially of the more establishment variety. What happened in your
mind in the midterm election? What was the issue? Because
I've started to see now finally I think people recognizing
that there were some big problems. I know it was
a few months ago, but I think I got a
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bit of your analysis. I wanted to hear a little
more of what you think went down. Well. I think
too many people in the Republican Party, conservative media donors.
I think, as I've been trying to advise them, they've
just been too afraid of Trump and they were too
wedded to Trump. We have to run a candidate who
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was sucking up to Trump. We have to well, he's
saying you have to make the number one issue of
the twenty twenty election, and he's a paper tiger. They
shouldn't have done that. Republicans who were not wedded and
beholden to Trump, I think did reasonably well. I mean
Blake Masters when I saw his debate with Mark Kelly
that was in Arizona, the astronaut incumbent Democrat running against
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this Blake Masters backed heavily by Silicon Valley's Peter Teel.
When I saw that debate, I thought, oh my gosh,
Blake Masters is the smartest guy perhaps who has ever
run for the United States Center. He was so good,
so good. And then two days before the election, it's
all over the Internet and Fox News Blake getting a
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call from Donald's Trump and acting like he's a teenage
girl talking to Justin Bieber. He's calling me, He's calling me,
and what is Trump haranguing him about? You're not making
twenty twenty then number one election? When Trump showed up
in Ohio, and I love JD. Vans and he showed
up in Ohio, I don't know. The day before the election,
I emailed people working for JD. Vance saying, if I
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lived in Ohio, I would vote against JD. Vans just
because of this speech. This is just get away from him.
He won the nomination. Run on your own two feet,
and so obviously that I'm not alone in that analysis
the Trump Act candidates and the ones that ended up
winning nominations because people were afraid, Oh, but what if
we don't get the Trump voters? What if we don't
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get the Trump voters? And the other issue. So Trump
was a total disaster for the mid terms, and I
think luckily people have seen that now, so it won't
we hopefully won't have the same thing happened in presidential
Asia and the other one. You know. I've been pro
life pretty much my whole life. I've written articles on
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it in the Human Life Review back when I was
practicing law. I've had debates on it at Ivy League campuses.
I am pro life. I think it was stupid for
some of these states. I mean the most one of
the most important things is getting rid of the monstrosity
of Roe v. Wade and the idea that this really
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terrible thing and abortion is a constitutional but that's what
our framers were thinking of. Okay, so yea, we won
pop Champagne. It goes back to the states, and I
think most of the states again I will credit run
to Santas and Florida and a lot of states did this.
Republicans just jumped in and said abortions for the first
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it would vary twelve weeks, seven weeks, fifteen weeks, sixteen weeks,
and that's it. And that's it. And that seems after
looking at the internal election, that seems to be the
consensus position. And I don't think it's hypocritical for pro
lifers or Republicans to take that position. You can say
I would never have an abortion. I would counsel anyone
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in my family or anyone anyone I could talk to
don't have an abortion. But you're talking about a law
that probably would would. I mean, it's hard to say
this is a human life and this isn't a crime.
There's got to be a penalty. There's got to be
a fine. There could be as one of Trump's candidates
was a murder charge for the woman. I mean, there's
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got to be something, and I think people who are
even pro life are saying, I don't want the law
to say that though I wouldn't have an abortion, and
I do think this is a human life and Republicans
have got to stop doing I mean some of these
states and some of the bills, no, it's a life
from the moment of conception, and will prosecute the woman
for for murder. I mean it becomes sometimes Republicans. We
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saw this lot with the Tea Party, and I think
we saw it too much of it in the mid terms.
And that is this idea, I mean, this Todd Aiken
thing of you know, watch this, I'm gonna I'm gonna
make the basket from over my shoulder. No, don't show
off to the zealots. We're trying to save a country here.
Who could save the country. I mean we were just
talking a second ago about obviously Trump, which just so
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you know, whenever you do you get I get all
the emails that are angry. I'm like, I'm not an's keeper,
Like I don't know what to tell peof I'm not
in charge of the culture flame. You know, it's amazing
to be because if you have complaints, I just I
want your viewers to know Buck Sexton is my keeper.
If you have complaints, email Buck. I mean they do,
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They're like, how dare you have that? Well? But I'm like,
first of all, like, if we're gonna talk about people's credentials, uh,
and you know and and I know each other personally,
people's credentials in the the conservative movement, there has to be
a level at which one's conservatism is not a thing
that we're going to really sort of question anymore based
on a political candidate or whatever. I would think that
we could get there at some point because people are like,
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she's become a she's become a liberal, and I'm like, no, no,
she's definitely, definitely hasn't become a liberal. I get those
angry emails, but who can Okay, So if it's I
don't want to ask you what if it is Trump,
because I know you think, and and I have a bet,
for full disclosure, you think that there's just no way, like,
there's no way it's gonna be Trump this go round.
I still think there's a I mean, I think it's
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a fifty fifty shot that it's gonna be Trump this
time around. I think it's gonna be Trump or just Santists.
That's my that's my guess. And so I might be
in this position where I'm like a Trump than the commies. Right,
we could all agree on that, sou because then you
to lose in the commies will have eight years to
destroy our country instead of for well, I mean, they're
they're gonna win one way or the other. I figure, right,
I mean, it's it's unfortunate, But I think there's a
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Democrat beat de Santis. I don't think there is a
Democrat who could not beat Trump. I do think that
Democrats desperately want to run against Donald Trump. To that end,
I have to ask you the theory that's out there
right now about the classified documents thing. This is another area,
by the way, because you know when I was in
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the CIA, we were just the classified documents stuff. It's so,
I mean, just everything is classified. Like the sandwich that
I had, you know, three weeks ago, is classified. Everything
is classified. Everything is going to help China defeat us
in the nuclear war that's coming. It's really it gets
a little bit crazy that all said this theory that
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they're trying to get rid of Biden with this. I
think that the simple answer is usually I'm an Okham's
razor guy. I think the simple answer is usually the
better answer. I think Joe Biden is a reckless dumbass,
and that is the situation with the documents. I don't
think there's some grand conspiracy. Do you think there's a conspiracy?
I don't know. No, no, No. I think this is
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probably because there are so many actual conspiracies against right wingers.
I do think Republicans and even friends of mine can
be a little too conspiracy minded. They may end up
shiving Biden. It could happen, and you're gonna know what happens.
It's not gonna be this bank shot with the classified doctors. No.
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I think the only reason they're acting like this, Oh,
we're taking this very seriously is because they've just done
it to Trump. And I totally agree with you. I
didn't think it was a big deal with Trump. Of
the three cases, Hillary Clinton's hoarding a classified documents and
having are private emails, Biden ending up with these classified doctors, no,
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we don't know what's in them, and the Trump one,
I think the only one that was probably pretty serious
was the Hillary variousness. I think she was hiding what
she was doing from Obama. But those are those are
documents that belonged to the American people, and to be
destroying her email server, no, that is all nefarious. Yeah,
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she was trying to evade FOYA basically because a State
department personnel have unclassified email and you can send, so
you can send somebody you know at State dot gov
or whatever, and all it takes is one one of
the multi million dollar like Saudi or Chinese or you
name it donors to the Clinton Global Initiative to be like, hey,
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I wrote you a big check, I demand a meeting.
Like all it takes is one of those or somebody
to say the wrong thing, and all of a sudden
that because they were running a huge influence peddling scam.
I mean I was. I remember I was at CNN
in the days when that was all being talked about.
And for one, they were I mean actually mocking the
idea there was anything classified in her emails when I
would talk about that, which was pretty funny, and then
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also mocking the idea that the Clintons had what was
it they had raised I can't even remember the number
at this point, but I mean they made a hundred
million dollars basically giving speeches and ghostwriting books. Nobody, and
you know this business very well. Nobody makes one hundred
million dollars in a matter of whatever it was, you know,
ten years by giving speak giving speeches and getting a
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couple of books ghosts written. That doesn't one hundred million.
And now that she's not president, I think the donations
have really gone to kind of a trickle. They shut
down the Clinton Global Initiative in twenty seventeen and like
six months, and they didn't even really wait very long
on it. They kind of went for it right right away.
So if it is can I ask you this one.
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If it's if it's not Biden, who's the scariest candidate
that the Republicans could face in terms of obviously being
able to win. That's a good question. I do think
the Democrats are in trouble, which is why I'm I
really hope it's to Scantis, because the country is barely
hanging on by its fingernails right now, and to Santis
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is certainly, at this point unquestionably our strongest candidate. I
think the Democrats are really other than I mean, this
is why they're bringing in all these third worlders to
vote for them in the years to come. Doesn't matter.
In California, they'll elect a nut like Gavin Newsom. Get
ready for that, America. But if there are still enough
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sane people or you know, slash actual Americans voting in
this country, I think the Democrats are in trouble because
once they get rid of you know, their senile dementia patients,
you're getting down pretty quickly to the woke progressive Ilhan Omars,
who is a respectable Democrat or that could win a primary?
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There are a few, but they couldn't possibly win a
Democratic primary? What about Junkan, Nicky Haley, Christie Home? Trying
to think who else has already been talked about, as
I don't know who else thinks that they'd be running
on the Republican side. Are any of them in your
mind serious serious possibilities? No, but you forgot the warmonger
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under Trump Pompeio. I thought you're talking about the guy
with the mustache Bolton, because he's apparently running. That would
be fantastic. I do hope they all run, because the
danger would be as if you had except I really
think de Santis is kind of standing on his own
without much competition, But I would like all of the
warmongery will do nothing about immigration, utterly useless Rhino Republicans.
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I'd love for a lot of them to run. I'd
love for a lot of them to get stomps down
on the One Republican, my second favorite Republican in the
country and the one I would like to santas to
pic us. His vice president is Glenn Youngcan of Virginia.
I think he's very good observing him, Yeah, he's been
very good so far too. Is there anyone else on
the GOP side, even in Congress, that you you find
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yourself more often than not pleased with and giving giving
all due kudos too for their work? Is there anyone
else who sticks out as yes? Yes, well, and one
more governor. I'll mention Greg Ganforze of Montana's he's been
on fire. Kudos to him. That there's another governor, I
forget her name. There's some great senators. Holly is one
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of my is one of my favorites and I and
I kind of had a prejudice against him because of that.
I shouldn't even mention it. I love him, but that's silly.
Raised for salute to the January six protesters. I thought
he looked really like he looked like David Hogg, and
so I was sort of against him for about a week.
But oh my gosh, he's good. And what his objection
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waters was good. You know. One of the things that
came up one of the things I love about him.
Whatever you're saying, Oh, why does in Congress do this?
Why don't the senators do this? You look into it. Oh, yeah,
somebody's introduced a bill to do that. It's Josh Holly. Look,
it's Josh Holly again. So there was there was some
news I guess this week. Ron de Santis has stopped
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a bunch of illegal aliens landing on the shore of Florida,
and some immigration hawks have said, yeah, he stopped them,
but he's not deporting them. Well, governors can't deport illegals.
All they can do is make up really uncomfortable for them.
All they can do was detain them. All they can
do is hold up for ice. They can't deport illegals. Guests,
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who was introduced to bill that would allow governors to
deport illegals? Josh Holly. Interesting. I would just add to
your point about the Florida illegals arriving situation. The Biden
White House initially put out some statement or I think
it was directly from the Biden Wet House like Kree
Jean Pierre that was criticizing this, that it was like
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showboating that DeSantis was doing until they found out that
there was actually a request from Ice for the National
Guard to help, so they were, I mean, sorry for
the Florida National Guard to assist. So it was like
he was going above and beyond his mandate. He was
actually responding to request for assistance. You mentioned Montana, though,
I have to ask you because I want to. I
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want to get beyond just the usual usual red meat
of politics with miss Coulter. While we've got her here.
Do you watch Yellowstone? And what do you think if
you do? Are you a watcher? I'm I'm sort of
horrified to admit that I have. I've not seen it yet,
but that is the show that all my friends keep
telling me, you gotta watch, you gotta watch, you gotta watch.
But I think I need to start at the beginning, right,
(29:30):
I think you have to get past the fact that
you know, Bozeman is apparently like Baghdad. There's just m
fors and guys, you know, banging it out on the street,
corners firing each other all the time. There's a little
bit of a little bit of Hollywood license taken with
these ranchers. But but it is super entertaining. I mean,
it's a it's a huge show. Like seventeen million people
I think will last watch the fifth season premiere? What do?
(29:53):
What are you? Is there anything you're watching these days?
With Carrie? I end up watching um when when it's time,
when I just wanted to, like, have you know, quiet time?
If we put on the crown, She's asleep in five minutes.
But everyone else seems to love that show. I think
I'd probably be asleep, which is why I haven't started
to watch it. What do you watch? Are you really
just watching it? And if you're watching MSNBC, you have
(30:15):
to give us he is anything on MSNBC worth watching
other than enjoy read? Who does have a honestly an
amazing ability, And I said, and it inspires amazement that
she can turn anything like our conversation about do you
watch Yellowstone End? Can actually turn into some kind of
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monologue on race and racism in America today. I don't
know how but she could do it. Oh no, that
is totally proof of your and my white supremacy. Oh yeah,
to be fair, I haven't. I can't even I can't
watch MSNBC anymore. I can get a show from two
years ago, show it to you, and one from last night,
(30:57):
and you tell me has two years has passed? In
the interrum between these two shows, they all say the
exact same thing, And I mean, well, there are exciting
moments like I don't know if you knew this book,
but do you know how close we came to losing
our democracy? It's amazing there was an insurrection of unarmed
people who didn't actually engage with any kind of military
(31:21):
force or precision. It's kind of weird because I've actually
been exposed to what a country looks like when people
do try to overthrow the government, or when there is
an active civil war of some kind going on, sectarian warfare,
and it's very different from QAnon Shaman and a bunch
of other largely middle aged folks walking around calmly and
(31:45):
taking photos. Now martially that it is okay. I've condemned
it from the beginning. I condemned it for many reasons.
One of them was I was like, this is very
stupid because it is handing the Democrats their favorite thing
in the world, which is something that they can get
the left wing all hysterical about for the next twenty years,
and this is but they've said it's worse than Pearl Harbor.
They've said if there are prominent Democrats who have said
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it is worse than than nine to eleven. And I
wonder if we've if we've just reached it not even
fun anymore, It's not fun. Well, you know, I think
there's this concept of terminal velocity, right when you jump
out of a plane or something and you hit like
the absolute max speed and then that's just that's just
the speed you're going the rest of the way. I
think that's what terminal velocity is. I might it was
like a bad Charlie Sheen movie or one of those guys.
(32:29):
Um have we hit like terminal stupidity over at MSNBC,
Like it can't get any dumber or any crazier, Mostly
for me, I mean dumb and crazy. I love that.
Um No, it's it's the painful repetition. I can't there's
a lot I can't listen to the same thing all
the time, so even I have not really been watched
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what happened because you used to get to go on
and you and and and others and you know me too,
back back when this was a thing to debate people
on the other side. Have you noticed when did this
happen where all of a sudden, no one Now there's
no looney left wingers who will go on and have
a real like throw it out. I mean, I'm trying
to think, who are some of the like didn't you
(33:12):
and did you? And al Sharpe that ever debate? I
know you and probably the time rightly changed. This was
the introduction I wrote to my sub stack. I mean
all of cable news. I'm sorry. You can't just hold
MSNBC as as the only offender here. It has become
more just saying the things they think the audience wants
(33:34):
to hear, and they apparently think that their audiences don't
want to hear intelligent commentary or facts or history or no,
they want to be ginned up, be angry at everything
the other side is doing, and with no one there
to contradict them. I mean, this is why the American
system values debates and free speech. The idea that John
(33:59):
Stuart Mill idea that the truth will rise in a
battle for ideas. You want to sense her particular viewpoints, Well,
cable news has just been an absolute devolution. You have
learned more by talking to the hot dog. I'm seriously,
I'm not being sarcastic to a guy selling hot dogs
on the street. And why is it just considered okay
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that there are politicians. I mean Nancy Pelosi, for example,
would just would never go on Fox News or any
channel other than effectively regime media for her. I feel
like that's something of an indictment, like how hard should
it be for her to be able to go on? Sure,
she'll she'll get heat. I remember being told by somebody
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who was I forget which Fox show it was, and
this is back in the day, but one of these,
one of these really kind of radical I think it
was Gosh came with the guy's name. What are these
sort of more radical Islamists from the UK would go on?
It might have been it might have been Handy and
Combs back in the Handity and Combs days, which you
know well, and he would say self, you know, it's
like women should be The guy had a very sort
(35:01):
of thick British accent. You know, women should be you know,
treated like you know, servants or slaves or whatever. And
I mean a very inflammatory stuff. And of course Sean's
there and he's just like, you know, look at this lunatic.
This guy should be on a terrorist watch list. The
whole thing. I remember when I asked hibody said why
does this guy go on the show, and they said, no,
you didn't understand. He goes on because his supporters love it,
(35:23):
even if you should have called all these things that
you know, he wants somebody who's going he wants to
go to battle. They want to see him battle, right.
I mean, that's just a kind of an extreme example
of it. I feel like nobody wants to battle anymore.
Everyone just retreats to the amen corner because it's it's easy,
it's lazy. I think pretty much all cable news house
(35:43):
on across the board could do their TV shows in
their sleep saying the same things over and over and
Biden bad. I mean you could. I think you could
do it with either network. Switch the facts, don't tell
them who did one thing, you know, Switch Biden to Trump,
or Trump to Biden, or just and just Biden, and
if they think it Biden did at all, that's very very,
(36:04):
very bad. And they won't as you I am, well,
for example, as you and I just did saying the
whole classified document thing is kind of bs oh, I
mean absolutely, it's it's one of these though. I think
the problem is there's a almost like an arms race
among people in the media now in particular to do
(36:26):
just whatever they think gets the clicks and works, and
so there's no no one's attached anymore because it's like, well,
if I don't do it, then somebody else is going
to do it, and then I just I just lose.
And I think that's very real, by the way, and
I think that as there's less and less debate and
people aren't exposed, I mean, I will say and I
never attack people on the right publicly. See it's a
(36:49):
politeness thing. And even I don't attack people on the
right publicly, you know, just because I don't like them
or I don't like something they've said. I'll disagree with
them on things, but I'm not going to say, you know,
that guy is a jackass. We've got plenty of jackasses
on the right, some of whom have very substantial audiences.
I mean people who are not neither learned, nor interesting
nor particularly good people. When it all comes down to it,
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there are far more on the left. I mean, I
think that a vast majority I would put in that
category in the media I'm talking about now. But on
the right, I think that something is something has kind
of shifted and happened where you don't have to be
very knowledgeable, you don't have to be a very honest person,
you certainly don't have to be a very ethical person,
and yet you can do very very well. Is that
(37:33):
a change? Am I just not even thinking that that's
a change. Maybe I am. I mean I haven't been No,
it's absolutely a change. It used to be. I think
TV was fun back then, and I think it was.
I mean, you mentioned Hannity and Combs. I remember in
the early days of Hannity and Combs. I mean, obviously,
I'm a political not I'm really paying attention to what's
going on in the world. But maybe I was writing
(37:54):
a book, maybe there was an issue I hadn't followed.
If I wanted to hear both sides of what they
r was, I'd turn on Hannity and Combs. It was
and I'm sure, And I don't mean, though I probably
would if I thought about it, I don't mean specifically
to dis CNN and MSNBC from the old days, they
probably had similar shows on. There was a lot well crossfire.
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I debate is good. That's how you know, Um, if
it's if it's all just people you know, saying the
same thing and oh you're so smart. You make me
smarter every time you come up my program, and oh
that's amazing, and there's there's no one to say, but wait,
that fact that was just mentioned isn't actually a fact.
At CNN, for example, people would say I had this
(38:38):
concept of I'm going to go into the Lions dead right,
and I knew by the way that place was always
hostile to me all the way on down. I mean
I I had some some friends who are producers over
there and people that we were decent, but overall just
the it was institutionally hostile to conservatives. This is now
twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen in that time period, and but
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I remember I'd go over there and my thinking was, well,
I don't want to let them get away with this nonsense,
and like we've got to bring the fight to the enemy.
But what you figure out when you're there is the
whole thing is completely rigged. They have the host who
is some screaming lib and they've got a you know,
one expert or something who they're going to go to first.
And then they've got a political pundit who's a Democrat.
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By the way, the expert and the Democrat pundit totally
agree on everything and are like high fiving each other.
And you're gonna go last, and you're the conservative and
it's someone else's show, so you're just there to just
get punched right in the nose. That's it. You're not there.
They're not gonna let you speak, They're gonna talk over you.
I mean, I've had them just basically cut off to
commercial in the middle of me talking like they don't care.
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So that's why that was part of the descent, and
now they don't even you know, it's kind of a
sad thing. Actually, when I see conservatives now at CNN
who are doing the dance of or I'm a conservative
or I'm a Republican, but all I do is trash
the right all the time on TV, I think that's
a sad thing. Like I think it's like they're making
hostage videos over there. Oh no, they're being paid well
(40:06):
for those to be the I'm a Republican speech. I
just don't think cable news has that much influence anymore.
I just think it's it's very a circular cocoon, the
way we used to make fun of, you know, the
New York Times. I think we're getting the same thing.
I mean, we're a country of three hundred and twenty
five million people and on a huge night, you know,
(40:29):
prime time cable, what they're getting a few million and
it's mostly an average age. Is what about seventy so
old people in their nursing homes can't figure out how
the remote works. But most people are online. And you know,
I just interviewed on subsack John Tierney from The New
York Times. Magnificent writer, magnificent outside the box writer. But
one of the books he wrote, which wasn't the main purpose,
(40:51):
but I talked to him at the end, is what's
called The Power of Bad. Very interesting book about how
when bad things that people remember criticism more than they
remember praise. A bad first interview was going to hurt
you more than a fantastic first impression. That sort of
thing and how you can use it to your benefit.
But one of the things he mentions in the book
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that I thought was kind of the headline item was that, yes,
the legacy media very very very negative. For example, their
COVID coverage. By the way, John Tierney was fantastic on COVID.
Go back and read his articles in City Journal. He's
everyone should be reading him, and he get was pointing
out all along, you're being hysterics. This is the flu.
(41:35):
This isn't that bad unless you're you're an old person
or you He was right, he was right, he was right.
But every night, how many did from COVID. They were
predicting two million in the next two weeks. Now, what
he said was, I'm sorry taking a long time to
go to the main point. Social media, Twitter, Facebook, people online.
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You want this protection, trust me. I always thought Michael
Crichton was a really really smart guy, very interesting guy,
obviously one of the more successful fiction writers of his generation.
And I remember, I think it was in a Charlie
Rose interview he said this, and this really stuck stuck
in my mind that it's not even so much. And
this was maybe circle let's say two thousand he said this,
(43:43):
but he said, it's not even that. If you want
to get attention, you have to be a catastrophist when
you're talking about anything of substance, Like if you want
people to pay attention, you have to say, oh my god,
everything's falling apart, everything is terrible. He said that actually
the mindset had shifted so that people were mad at you.
If you don't take that opinion, it's like, what do
you mean? How can you not? And you certainly see
this with like the climate change people, and you see
(44:05):
this with all just a way a lot of people
try to get attention when when they're talking about the country.
So I agree that there is negativity to that end,
or too much negativity. What makes and culture feel positive
about how things are going. Um, I know you're out
at the colleges talking to college kids all the time,
and college conservatives are the best because they've got that
like they've just discovered this reality that that they know
(44:28):
about and they're in the fight and they're realizing that
like they're they're red pilled at this young age. And
but you know what gives you a sense that it's
all gonna move in the right direction somehow, some way. Well,
it is true that conservatives in a liberal environment are
generally a lot of fun. They're not just rolling into
being conservatives. Conservatives in New York City, conservatives in Los Angeles,
(44:51):
and conservatives on college camps as there are a lot
of fun and they're not going to back down. They
don't wither under criticism, or they'd never be conservatives to
again with now, I don't think you ought to have
to be you know, brave and strong and courageous to
speak the truth in places like college campuses. But but
you kind of do when they are I don't know. Oddly,
I am quite optimistic. It's it's probably and you know, man,
(45:17):
I hope these aren't famous last words because politicians have
broken my heart so many times. But I'm I'm pretty
optimistic about about Rohn de Santis. I mean, people are
living in freedom in Florida. In one of his speeches,
it may have been the inaugural speech. I think you
were there, but I've heard this. People have said this
to me in Florida, and De Santa's repeated Europeans who
(45:41):
came left Europe, left Australia came to Florida. They said
they felt like they were leaving East Germany and going
to West Germany under communism. And I got to tell you,
it's it is like that when I tweeted that it
went viral and when I left New York ring the
lockdowns to go to Miami, and it was it. I mean,
(46:05):
people also think that that's that was so this owes
wild exaggeration. They deployed National Guard soldiers to stand around
in the airports to collect personal information on people about
an aerosolized virus. They're standing there, you know, with their
mfors with no magazine in them, just supposed to look
like just to scare the virus. And the whole thing
(46:26):
was idiotic beyond words. And I'm actually somebody who I
refuse to let this stuff go. I don't know. I
maybe that's gonna be you to my detriment, but I
don't think it's okay what happened at all. And I
feel like, back to Rhonda Santis point, I have never
felt like I owed a politician a debt of gratitude before.
(46:50):
It is hard to explain how gratifying it was as
a New Yorker, in particular to be able to leave
in the midst of that hellish lunacy and just go
to a place where people were just it was just
like being in America again, or what you thought was America.
And yes, I think it's kind of important, and then
saying you, I think you should keep talking about this.
I think it's important because even though I feel optimistic,
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I'm not saying I'm putting all of my hopes in him.
There are other people. There are people like you, Buck,
And I mean, I guess I just throw it a
quick figure, real quick end. Will you tell everybody just
for the record that I was so anti max masks
so early that you were like, really, no, I know
you were right, though, I learned something interesting during masking.
I don't know if you remember. I used to say, no,
(47:33):
I was from masks long before. I fly a lot,
and I used to get a lot of colds and
i'd put a mask on. I wasn't a dork like
walking onto the plane with my mask, but once I
was seated, I would be a dork. I'd pull it
down to talk to the stewards, I'd pull it down
to go to the bathroom. And it was only when
in the wintertime when i'd hear, you know, tuberculosis boys
sitting behind me. But anyway, now I've learned that the
(47:54):
virus can go right through, and I assume flew viruses too.
But the reason I think it cut down on my colds,
and it definitely cut down on my colds from doing
a lot of flying, is that when you're sitting on
an airplane reading, at least I am constantly touching my face,
constantly touching my face, So as long as I had
the mask on, it was protecting me. But the reason
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I think you should continue with the COVID stuff, and
I think we all we all owe Ron de Santis
and other sane. But by the way, Glenn Youngan, the
one I mentioned, governor of Virginia. First day in office,
he ended all the mask mandates in school, it was beautiful.
I remember that it was beautiful. But I think, though
I have an optimistic personality. Generally, when you look back
(48:37):
at history, things that have been very harmful to a society,
to a country. One is losing faith, feeling like the
country was dishonest and people couldn't be trusted. I mean,
there was the betting on that baseball game you always
hear about. Sorry, you'll have to check with Clay on
exactly what was it was the tea And then the
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other one was there was a game show What's My
Line or something like that, and they found out that
they were shining quis show. Yeah, it's like a game quisha.
Oh sorry, is there a movie about that? I haven't
seen them. Yes, I think it's called what I'm saying. Yeah, Okay.
So now we have just lived through a couple of
years where we find out intelligence community intelligence officers are big, fat,
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stinking liars. We find out that the brass at the FBI,
big fat stinking liars. We find out that public health authorities,
big fat stinking liars, and Twitter, where we're supposed to
be able to engage in free speech, was suppressing the
free speech. I mean, it's hard to imagine a society
where there were this many attacks. The Russian collusion thing,
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New York Times won the Pulitzer Prize for that, and
the whole thing was bs the whole thing, So you
would think that bad things would be coming out of this.
And I don't know. I mean, I guess that's why
I looked Ron de Santis. I hope he can turn
this around. But boy, Ron de Santis is going to
have a lot on his plate. Do you have any
(50:08):
thoughts or opinions? And I didn't check with that on
the stuff before. And I like culter on the fly,
you know, because you never know. Sometimes you just gotta
have to duck, you know what's gonna come back at you.
But Andrew Tate, are you familiar with this guy any
of his stuff? He's gotten a lot of attention recently.
He's in a prison in Romania. Now do you know
about this guy? Well, I've seen the name and because
(50:28):
he was banned from Twitter. You so this is the
bad thing about banning people and then letting them back on.
Because he was banned and let back on, I just assumed, Oh,
he's probably funny. He's probably like Gavin McGinnis. Now i've
seen more about him, and you know, to quote my
favorite movie, Doctor Strangelove, he's a deviated prever. I actually,
(50:50):
should I see that movie. I haven't seen that one,
Doctor Strangelove. Oh my gosh, it's my favor I haven't
seen it. I have to check it out. I was
just wondering if you had a By the way, Clay
also recently cited now because we're really bringing this one back,
the cult theorem, which I remember from believe. I'm not
sure if it was one of your books or a column,
but I do remember as a culture theorem that the
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oh no, it must have been mugged liberal demagoguery from
what was the thank you where the white white guilt
Bank shut down after OJ Because I'm wondering if we're
a headache a little bit more in that direction now,
and also the end of affirmative action in college admissions
(51:32):
has been that's been kind of a fascinating argument recently
to see that playing out where people are just saying, yeah,
it's good for society if Harvard pretends that Asians as
a matter of policy, have lacking personalities so they can
keep them out of Ivy League schools. People are always
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remember I just cited this in my affirmative action article
on sub stack. Bill Gates Foundation gave a lot of
money to researchers at Georgetown a couple of years ago
to determine who was discriminated against the most in college admissions.
So researchers spent some time, They got the colleges to
give them the SATs and the admission rate and the race.
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And this was at the top two hundred most selective colleges,
So top one hundred or two hundred, that's a lot
of colleges and guests which group their numbers would go
up most dramatically if there were no affirmative action, if
you weren't allowed to look at race. I had thought
it was Asians, but nope, light men. Really yes, I
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remember people poking and asking me all kinds of questions
when I got to Amberous, which is a you know,
one of these liberal arts colleges, but it's one of
those places that thinks it's saving the world by getting
very social justice focused. They couldn't believe I was a
white kid with I was not a recruited at Lead,
not the son of or you know, not not a
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child of alumni a legacy, and had no like financial
connection to the college that was. That was a rarity
for I mean because basically a lot of the white
kids or legacies are recruited athletes at those schools now,
and if you don't fit into one of those categories,
very tough, right, even the legacies. In defense of legacies,
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what we've learned about IQ, it is at least in
part genetic, there is a reversion to the means. So
if you have really smart parents, the odds are the
kids won't be as smart as the parents. If you
have really dumb parents, the odds are the kids won't
be as dumb as the parents. Yet. And still, if
you have a group of two hundred kids in one room,
two hundred kids in the other room, and you have
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low IQ parents in the first room and high the
odds are the out of the two hundred kids with
the high IQ parents they'll have the kids will have
higher IQs. That was just the name of this. Today
reading some New York Times are article about it's just
like throws in this BS line about well they have
generational wealth. No, it's not generational wealth, it's generational IQ.
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Another one where Anne is saying stuff that I'm sure
some people are going to start to get all googly,
They're going to start googling it, being like, wait a second, look,
I think is the be all end all. Obviously they're
more important qualities than in life. But to pretend that
I'm just saying the children of legacies, if the legacy
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has got in on the basis of the basis of
their of their SAT scores, the odds all or the
kids are gonna have decent SAT scores. It is just
anything that involves IQ. People there's like this immediately if
you even talk about it, everyone starts to freak out.
I think that's been a trained response for a lot
of people for a long time. As I understand it,
IQ is really more it's it's a general range of capacity.
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And so even within that, because I've met lots of
I have met people in my life who have walked
around saying, you know, I'm one forty five, I Q
or something, and you're like, yeah, you're kind of a loser,
so it doesn't you know, it can be really helpful,
but you know it doesn't mean that that's the only thing,
as you said, as you rightly understand. So and if
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I tend to think. I mean you and I have
talked about this. I think we agree. I think there's
a good chance Democrats do the Weekend of Bernie thing
with Biden just because he's gone, Look, who do they
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have that little bootage? He's doing a bang up job here.
He's the most famous or maybe infamous transportation secretary of all.
Like I can't even name a transportation secretary before this guy. Oh,
I can't Norman Manetta. I hated him more, but week
after week just total disaster. I lodge and every time
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Thanks for making the time. Thank you great to talk
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Hey, everybody, welcome to the new edition of the Buck
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there we go fantastic Yes, so, and tell me some
things here first and foremost, what is top of mind
for you in the country right now? If you could
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fix let's start with that and fix one thing for
me in America, what would it be? We need a
big beautiful wall. I was promised a big beautiful wall.
But I mean, seriously, there's a reason. That's what carried
this buffoon, Donald Trump to president in two thousand sixteen.
Whether or not the talking heads appreciated or the New
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York Times appreciate it, Americans voted for the big beautiful wall,
and we're seeing under Biden the problem with him not
having built that wall. Estimates are I mean, they've caught
and released more than two million illegals. The estimates go
up to five million only since Biden has been president.
And I mean there are a lot of reasons not
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to like that with it's going to be suppressing, hurting
the least among us those low wage workers who actually,
surprisingly I will admit, did pretty well under Trump. Why
because you know, with these temporary measures and a lot
of it was just his rhetoric. He's scared off illegals
from trying to come based on the campaign, and then
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after you know, he was in office for about a year,
they realized he's not doing anything. We go, let's go back.
But for the there's cultural reasons to care about this.
We are the greatest country in the world and we
do have. So can I ask you this in because
you've been you were the original on the argument here
for well, first I mean first secure border that involved
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a wall, and in fact, Trump I believe early on
was even telling people that he read Audios America, your
book and that this is where the idea for this
largely largely came from. So I've been down to the
border a bunch of times, no question, and I love
this argument with libs. I've had it with them and
they always get very, very frustrated. A wall helps and
if you talk to border patrol, they'll say it absolutely
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is helpful because even in areas where the wall doesn't exist,
there's fewer sorry, they can have fewer resources. Is where
they have no you know, where they have a wall
versus where they have no wall, right, so they can
kind of focus in on the high traffic areas of drugs.
A high traffic problem though we got even if we
had a wall, they are surrendering. This is what's going.
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So I want to know how we deal with that
issue because people are showing up. The wall stops the
drug traffickers, the single male migrants when I say, stops,
you know, makes it harder for them, right, and makes
border patrol's job easier. But you have family units that
show up to the border wall or anywhere and essentially
walk in and they say, hey, here, I am right.
So and even in a wall situation, they go to
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a port of entry, they go to areas where you know,
the wall isn't that big, they go over it. And
now they say, I want asylum in your country. So
what do we do about that? Well, we invent a
time machine. We go back and make keeper's promises. Two
things about what you just said. Yeah, of course they're
they're going to be some entry points, but we want
a big wall across the entire border, not the thirty
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three miles that Trump built. I do not think that
if he had kept his promise, Biden would have come in,
And what a Biden wouldn't have come in. Trump would
have won reelection if he had kept his promises. But moreover,
even if even if a Democrat didn't come in, they're
not going to rip down a wall. It took, you know,
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like the Great Chinese Wall or the Great Wall of China.
That's why we want a wall, because different administrations are
going to have different policies and as long as the
border is open, and it's just a matter of well,
does the president want to protect American jobs or doesn't
he want to protect American jobs? And part of what
the Democrats just hauling the millions upon millions of illegals,
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in part of it is just a response to Trump.
We were always worried about that that he can, on
one hand, even back down, but he was so borish
about making the points from Adios America and I don't
need exactly make in a Marquis to Queensberry's way, but
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he took it to another level, that whole Mexican rapist thing.
Oh it's in my book, but um I would have
phrased it slightly differently as I did. And the reaction
to Trump was was so the concern was he could
end up making it worse and destroying these issues that
a lot of people like but lots of others have
been working on for years and caring about the American
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people here about and I think we've seen that with
the whole Democratic Party. If Trump was for it, we
are against what Biden is doing at the border. Obama
would never have done this isn't open. This is an
open border. I mean, right, if we're being honest about it,
they're doing everything they can to make sure as many
people as possible can stay at this point, and there's
no interior enforcement. I mean, it has been funny. I'm
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sure you've seen the clips. These are real clips. We're
not This is not a joke in the sense that
we're making this up. There are migrants who show up
and they say, I'm here because of Joe Biden. Right,
they mean they're they're showing up and they're straight up saying,
oh no, the cartels have told me this is a
great time to get here because of Joe Biden. Yes,
and two other things. I was going to mention, in
addition to changing the culture and really being very harmful
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to low wage workers, perhaps we should care about low
wage workers. The other reason the Democrats I am a
reaction Trump. The other reason the Democrats want this is
manifestly because they want Third worlders to become US citizens
and start voting. And what effects will that have? Oh,
Republicans keep telling me that Hispanics they're natural Republicans, natural Republicans. Well,
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oh my gosh, what happened to California. I had a
young kid. I'm starting to a young kid this weekend.
He was saying, I just don't understand why Californians vote
for Gavin Newsom because it's plurality Hispanic now, and Hispanics
may not like the Trands stuff if you ask them.
They may not like the abortion stuff, but they want welfare,
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they want the government aid, and they know they're going
to get that from the Democrats. So the state that
once gave us Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, you couldn't
get elected dog catcher in California right now. And I mean,
it's completely insane the things that Gavin Newsom is doing
in California. I kind of hope that the Democrats do
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move Biden aside. Well, be careful what you wish for, Yeah,
but I don't think the rest of the country is
ready for Gavin Newsom. Did you see Eric Adams. I
always want someone to explain this to me. Eric Adams
is the mayor of New York City, and I would
I would add not a good one, just in case
anyone's wondering we were supposed to be. Oh, he's going
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to clean up all the streets and the problems that no, no,
that that's actually not correct, but anyway, and it's really
I think because a lot of entrenched interests from the
Democrat machine in the City of New York are just
no longer. If people knew what's really going on in
the District Attorney's office and the woke lunatics who are
the rank and file in places like that, now, they
would they would flee for places where you could go,
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you know, off grid and and you know, made sure
that they had acts as to their own fresh drinking water.
But he went to the southern border, and I think
it's fascinating because he's there and migrants that he met
with said, oh, we hear you take great care of
us in New York, so we want to go to
New York. So you're an El Paso, you're an illegal migrant.
You're saying, well, I want to go to New York City. Meanwhile,
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New York City's mayor is also telling everybody, we can't
afford the illegal migrants anymore. The city of Viewer can't
afford them. Now. I just think this is so interesting
because I thought we weren't allowed to say that they
were a drain on public resources. Well, when did we
just step to When did we skip to all of
a sudden, legal migrants are really expensive? Right? No? And
I mean it does. I think it ought to remind
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people what a total hero and genius the governor of
Florida is, Ron de Santos. That Martha's vineyard stunt was
the most brilliant political stunt. That's what liberal media calls it, stunt,
the most brilliant political stunt of my lifetime. Now you
have the very very very progressive gay governor of Colorado
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doing the exact same thing. He's sending his illegals to
New York. And suddenly these liberal states that in this
home we believe, suddenly they get they get a look
at what it's like having the Third World dumped in
their towns and cities and schools and hospitals, and not
so himp to it. Now, one other thing I wanted
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to mention before the moment passes. Obviously, I love our
borders security guards. They're the last people you want to
check with on what's needed at the border. This used
to drive me crazy when Trump would do it. Well,
I've talked to them, and you see it's very important.
They want a wall they can see through. No, you
don't check with the people whose job will be made
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obsolete by a big, beautiful wall. No, no, no no, we
can have breaks in it here. It'll just be easier
for us here. And look, I love them, but everyone
is like this. You don't want something that's going to
replace your job. You don't want. I mean you've probably
seen but and I mean even i I've still even
donald even the double fence for example. People people do
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so so the border patrol guys, when when I've spoken
them about I've seen illegals crossing. I've seen the whole
thing happen in real time. It's not hard because it's
happening constantly, thousands and thousands of people a day, and
because of the fence, they're slowed down. But there's always
gonna be ways to get through. I mean, so I'm
saying you're gonna need you need border patrol even with
the wall, right, Like if you have a if you
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have a moat and a high wall at your castle,
you'll still need knights to defend the castle. Otherwise, you know,
there's no such thing as a wall that's going to
do the job entirely for it, saying they will be
completely gone. But that's not that they are not experts
on how to keep people out of your country. You
know who are experts. Israel is an expert. Check with
them on their wall. The first year they put it
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up illegal immigration one down by I believe ninety percent.
Um it may be more than ninety percent. That wasn't
good enough for Israel. So their wall goes deep, deep,
deep into the ground. Yes, they still have security guards
and by the way, they have detention cells. I mean
they have military. It's a military I've been to that
border wall. It's a militarized border full on. Yep. Well
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maybe we should have them running our border checks. Put
the saudiast by the way, are building a big fence
too along quite militarized, I'm sure, along with the YEMENI
So not the first time or the last time these
sorts of things have been happening. There's a big one
that I know of in China. There's a pretty famous
one in the northern England as well. So you know, walls,
walls do work. It has been a thing for a
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you know how, there's this big thing about the speaker
of the house. I want I want to ask you something.
You you know how these things there was all this bruha, However,
who the Speaker of the House is going to be.
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There's a part of me that was amazed at what
seemed like people caring so much about this. And I
kept trying to generally tell everybody, doesn't affect your life
at all. Is there a way we can start to
tell people things like, hey, there are things to be
fired up about, Like I think people should be much
more fired up about, how, you know, fentonyl not to
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go back to the border thing, but fentanyl is a
drug scourge that is far worse than anything we've ever
seen in this country, and yet it's like not something
that's focused on the news. Meanwhile, the news focused on
the Speaker of the House issue with McCart like, what
do you make of all that? Did you did you care?
Does it matter? Will it matter? My advice is cut
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the cord, don't watch cable. Think we're the only ones care.
I generally have MSNBC on in the background just so
I can monitor the enemy. But it's been pretty much
January six. Oh there's and there was UK Crane for
a while, and there's been one exciting new story that
representative of Santos isn't George Santos. You know, they're covering
that like January six and for the for the speaker vote.
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But then you would, you'd you'd go out on the
street and talk to normal people, and no one, absolutely
no one cared. Now as a political you know, nut
as we are, and probably a lot of a lot
of your listeners and my readers are. I actually think
it was a great thing. I think they got a
lot of good concessions out of McCarthy. I think they're
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a lot of great Republicans. There are a few things
that were stupid about it, but by and large, I mean,
we ended up avoiding having Dan Crenshaw as head of
Homeland Committee in the House, that's a good thing right there,
And it's sort of it's always good to scare Republican politicians,
especially Republican politicians who have been there for a while,
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the ones who would like to go establishment, listen to
the donors give them a good scare every once in
a while. Yeah, brush back pitch. I think I've learned
a lot of sports from Clay by the way we
talk about these things now, you know, I'm sort of like, yeah,
that's a that's I can't even think of anything off
top ahead now, but that's a sports thing that people
get excited about. A brushback pitch. That's one that I
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know now, which I think is important for some Republicans,
especially of the more establishment variety. What happened in your
mind in the midterm election? What was the issue? Because
I've started to see now finally I think people recognizing
that there were some big problems. I know it was
a few months ago, but I think I got a
(15:26):
bit of your analysis. I wanted to hear a little
more of what you think went down. Well. I think
too many people in the Republican Party, conservative media donors.
I think, as I've been trying to advise them, they've
just been too afraid of Trump and they were too
wedded to Trump. We have to run a candidate who
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was sucking up to Trump. We have to well, he's
saying you have to make the number one issue of
the twenty twenty election, and he's a paper tiger. They
shouldn't have done that. Republicans who were not wedded and
beholden to Trump, I think did reasonably well. I mean
Blake Masters when I saw his debate with Mark Kelly
that was in Arizona, the astronaut incumbent Democrat running against
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this Blake Masters backed heavily by Silicon Valley's Peter Teel.
When I saw that debate, I thought, oh my gosh,
Blake Masters is the smartest guy perhaps who has ever
run for the United States Center. He was so good,
so good. And then two days before the election, it's
all over the Internet and Fox News Blake getting a
(16:30):
call from Donald's Trump and acting like he's a teenage
girl talking to Justin Bieber. He's calling me, He's calling me,
and what is Trump haranguing him about? You're not making
twenty twenty then number one election? When Trump showed up
in Ohio, and I love JD. Vans and he showed
up in Ohio, I don't know. The day before the election,
I emailed people working for JD. Vance saying, if I
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lived in Ohio, I would vote against JD. Vans just
because of this speech. This is just get away from him.
He won the nomination. Run on your own two feet,
and so obviously that I'm not alone in that analysis
the Trump Act candidates and the ones that ended up
winning nominations because people were afraid, Oh, but what if
we don't get the Trump voters? What if we don't
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get the Trump voters? And the other issue. So Trump
was a total disaster for the mid terms, and I
think luckily people have seen that now, so it won't
we hopefully won't have the same thing happened in presidential
Asia and the other one. You know. I've been pro
life pretty much my whole life. I've written articles on
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it in the Human Life Review back when I was
practicing law. I've had debates on it at Ivy League campuses.
I am pro life. I think it was stupid for
some of these states. I mean the most one of
the most important things is getting rid of the monstrosity
of Roe v. Wade and the idea that this really
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terrible thing and abortion is a constitutional but that's what
our framers were thinking of. Okay, so yea, we won
pop Champagne. It goes back to the states, and I
think most of the states again I will credit run
to Santas and Florida and a lot of states did this.
Republicans just jumped in and said abortions for the first
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it would vary twelve weeks, seven weeks, fifteen weeks, sixteen weeks,
and that's it. And that's it. And that seems after
looking at the internal election, that seems to be the
consensus position. And I don't think it's hypocritical for pro
lifers or Republicans to take that position. You can say
I would never have an abortion. I would counsel anyone
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in my family or anyone anyone I could talk to
don't have an abortion. But you're talking about a law
that probably would would. I mean, it's hard to say
this is a human life and this isn't a crime.
There's got to be a penalty. There's got to be
a fine. There could be as one of Trump's candidates
was a murder charge for the woman. I mean, there's
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got to be something, and I think people who are
even pro life are saying, I don't want the law
to say that though I wouldn't have an abortion, and
I do think this is a human life and Republicans
have got to stop doing I mean some of these
states and some of the bills, no, it's a life
from the moment of conception, and will prosecute the woman
for for murder. I mean it becomes sometimes Republicans. We
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saw this lot with the Tea Party, and I think
we saw it too much of it in the mid terms.
And that is this idea, I mean, this Todd Aiken
thing of you know, watch this, I'm gonna I'm gonna
make the basket from over my shoulder. No, don't show
off to the zealots. We're trying to save a country here.
Who could save the country. I mean we were just
talking a second ago about obviously Trump, which just so
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you know, whenever you do you get I get all
the emails that are angry. I'm like, I'm not an's keeper,
Like I don't know what to tell peof I'm not
in charge of the culture flame. You know, it's amazing
to be because if you have complaints, I just I
want your viewers to know Buck Sexton is my keeper.
If you have complaints, email Buck. I mean they do,
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They're like, how dare you have that? Well? But I'm like,
first of all, like, if we're gonna talk about people's credentials, uh,
and you know and and I know each other personally,
people's credentials in the the conservative movement, there has to be
a level at which one's conservatism is not a thing
that we're going to really sort of question anymore based
on a political candidate or whatever. I would think that
we could get there at some point because people are like,
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she's become a she's become a liberal, and I'm like, no, no,
she's definitely, definitely hasn't become a liberal. I get those
angry emails, but who can Okay, So if it's I
don't want to ask you what if it is Trump,
because I know you think, and and I have a bet,
for full disclosure, you think that there's just no way, like,
there's no way it's gonna be Trump this go round.
I still think there's a I mean, I think it's
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a fifty fifty shot that it's gonna be Trump this
time around. I think it's gonna be Trump or just Santists.
That's my that's my guess. And so I might be
in this position where I'm like a Trump than the commies. Right,
we could all agree on that, sou because then you
to lose in the commies will have eight years to
destroy our country instead of for well, I mean, they're
they're gonna win one way or the other. I figure, right,
I mean, it's it's unfortunate, But I think there's a
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Democrat beat de Santis. I don't think there is a
Democrat who could not beat Trump. I do think that
Democrats desperately want to run against Donald Trump. To that end,
I have to ask you the theory that's out there
right now about the classified documents thing. This is another area,
by the way, because you know when I was in
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the CIA, we were just the classified documents stuff. It's so,
I mean, just everything is classified. Like the sandwich that
I had, you know, three weeks ago, is classified. Everything
is classified. Everything is going to help China defeat us
in the nuclear war that's coming. It's really it gets
a little bit crazy that all said this theory that
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they're trying to get rid of Biden with this. I
think that the simple answer is usually I'm an Okham's
razor guy. I think the simple answer is usually the
better answer. I think Joe Biden is a reckless dumbass,
and that is the situation with the documents. I don't
think there's some grand conspiracy. Do you think there's a conspiracy?
I don't know. No, no, No. I think this is
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probably because there are so many actual conspiracies against right wingers.
I do think Republicans and even friends of mine can
be a little too conspiracy minded. They may end up
shiving Biden. It could happen, and you're gonna know what happens.
It's not gonna be this bank shot with the classified doctors. No.
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I think the only reason they're acting like this, Oh,
we're taking this very seriously is because they've just done
it to Trump. And I totally agree with you. I
didn't think it was a big deal with Trump. Of
the three cases, Hillary Clinton's hoarding a classified documents and
having are private emails, Biden ending up with these classified doctors, no,
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we don't know what's in them, and the Trump one,
I think the only one that was probably pretty serious
was the Hillary variousness. I think she was hiding what
she was doing from Obama. But those are those are
documents that belonged to the American people, and to be
destroying her email server, no, that is all nefarious. Yeah,
(23:20):
she was trying to evade FOYA basically because a State
department personnel have unclassified email and you can send, so
you can send somebody you know at State dot gov
or whatever, and all it takes is one one of
the multi million dollar like Saudi or Chinese or you
name it donors to the Clinton Global Initiative to be like, hey,
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I wrote you a big check, I demand a meeting.
Like all it takes is one of those or somebody
to say the wrong thing, and all of a sudden
that because they were running a huge influence peddling scam.
I mean I was. I remember I was at CNN
in the days when that was all being talked about.
And for one, they were I mean actually mocking the
idea there was anything classified in her emails when I
would talk about that, which was pretty funny, and then
(24:03):
also mocking the idea that the Clintons had what was
it they had raised I can't even remember the number
at this point, but I mean they made a hundred
million dollars basically giving speeches and ghostwriting books. Nobody, and
you know this business very well. Nobody makes one hundred
million dollars in a matter of whatever it was, you know,
ten years by giving speak giving speeches and getting a
(24:25):
couple of books ghosts written. That doesn't one hundred million.
And now that she's not president, I think the donations
have really gone to kind of a trickle. They shut
down the Clinton Global Initiative in twenty seventeen and like
six months, and they didn't even really wait very long
on it. They kind of went for it right right away.
So if it is can I ask you this one.
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If it's if it's not Biden, who's the scariest candidate
that the Republicans could face in terms of obviously being
able to win. That's a good question. I do think
the Democrats are in trouble, which is why I'm I
really hope it's to Scantis, because the country is barely
hanging on by its fingernails right now, and to Santis
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is certainly, at this point unquestionably our strongest candidate. I
think the Democrats are really other than I mean, this
is why they're bringing in all these third worlders to
vote for them in the years to come. Doesn't matter.
In California, they'll elect a nut like Gavin Newsom. Get
ready for that, America. But if there are still enough
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sane people or you know, slash actual Americans voting in
this country, I think the Democrats are in trouble because
once they get rid of you know, their senile dementia patients,
you're getting down pretty quickly to the woke progressive Ilhan Omars,
who is a respectable Democrat or that could win a primary?
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There are a few, but they couldn't possibly win a
Democratic primary? What about Junkan, Nicky Haley, Christie Home? Trying
to think who else has already been talked about, as
I don't know who else thinks that they'd be running
on the Republican side. Are any of them in your
mind serious serious possibilities? No, but you forgot the warmonger
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under Trump Pompeio. I thought you're talking about the guy
with the mustache Bolton, because he's apparently running. That would
be fantastic. I do hope they all run, because the
danger would be as if you had except I really
think de Santis is kind of standing on his own
without much competition, But I would like all of the
warmongery will do nothing about immigration, utterly useless Rhino Republicans.
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I'd love for a lot of them to run. I'd
love for a lot of them to get stomps down
on the One Republican, my second favorite Republican in the
country and the one I would like to santas to
pic us. His vice president is Glenn Youngcan of Virginia.
I think he's very good observing him, Yeah, he's been
very good so far too. Is there anyone else on
the GOP side, even in Congress, that you you find
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yourself more often than not pleased with and giving giving
all due kudos too for their work? Is there anyone
else who sticks out as yes? Yes, well, and one
more governor. I'll mention Greg Ganforze of Montana's he's been
on fire. Kudos to him. That there's another governor, I
forget her name. There's some great senators. Holly is one
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of my is one of my favorites and I and
I kind of had a prejudice against him because of that.
I shouldn't even mention it. I love him, but that's silly.
Raised for salute to the January six protesters. I thought
he looked really like he looked like David Hogg, and
so I was sort of against him for about a week.
But oh my gosh, he's good. And what his objection
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waters was good. You know. One of the things that
came up one of the things I love about him.
Whatever you're saying, Oh, why does in Congress do this?
Why don't the senators do this? You look into it. Oh, yeah,
somebody's introduced a bill to do that. It's Josh Holly. Look,
it's Josh Holly again. So there was there was some
news I guess this week. Ron de Santis has stopped
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a bunch of illegal aliens landing on the shore of Florida,
and some immigration hawks have said, yeah, he stopped them,
but he's not deporting them. Well, governors can't deport illegals.
All they can do is make up really uncomfortable for them.
All they can do was detain them. All they can
do is hold up for ice. They can't deport illegals. Guests,
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who was introduced to bill that would allow governors to
deport illegals? Josh Holly. Interesting. I would just add to
your point about the Florida illegals arriving situation. The Biden
White House initially put out some statement or I think
it was directly from the Biden Wet House like Kree
Jean Pierre that was criticizing this, that it was like
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showboating that DeSantis was doing until they found out that
there was actually a request from Ice for the National
Guard to help, so they were, I mean, sorry for
the Florida National Guard to assist. So it was like
he was going above and beyond his mandate. He was
actually responding to request for assistance. You mentioned Montana, though,
I have to ask you because I want to. I
(29:08):
want to get beyond just the usual usual red meat
of politics with miss Coulter. While we've got her here.
Do you watch Yellowstone? And what do you think if
you do? Are you a watcher? I'm I'm sort of
horrified to admit that I have. I've not seen it yet,
but that is the show that all my friends keep
telling me, you gotta watch, you gotta watch, you gotta watch.
But I think I need to start at the beginning, right,
(29:30):
I think you have to get past the fact that
you know, Bozeman is apparently like Baghdad. There's just m
fors and guys, you know, banging it out on the street,
corners firing each other all the time. There's a little
bit of a little bit of Hollywood license taken with
these ranchers. But but it is super entertaining. I mean,
it's a it's a huge show. Like seventeen million people
I think will last watch the fifth season premiere? What do?
(29:53):
What are you? Is there anything you're watching these days?
With Carrie? I end up watching um when when it's time,
when I just wanted to, like, have you know, quiet time?
If we put on the crown, She's asleep in five minutes.
But everyone else seems to love that show. I think
I'd probably be asleep, which is why I haven't started
to watch it. What do you watch? Are you really
just watching it? And if you're watching MSNBC, you have
(30:15):
to give us he is anything on MSNBC worth watching
other than enjoy read? Who does have a honestly an
amazing ability, And I said, and it inspires amazement that
she can turn anything like our conversation about do you
watch Yellowstone End? Can actually turn into some kind of
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monologue on race and racism in America today. I don't
know how but she could do it. Oh no, that
is totally proof of your and my white supremacy. Oh yeah,
to be fair, I haven't. I can't even I can't
watch MSNBC anymore. I can get a show from two
years ago, show it to you, and one from last night,
(30:57):
and you tell me has two years has passed? In
the interrum between these two shows, they all say the
exact same thing, And I mean, well, there are exciting
moments like I don't know if you knew this book,
but do you know how close we came to losing
our democracy? It's amazing there was an insurrection of unarmed
people who didn't actually engage with any kind of military
(31:21):
force or precision. It's kind of weird because I've actually
been exposed to what a country looks like when people
do try to overthrow the government, or when there is
an active civil war of some kind going on, sectarian warfare,
and it's very different from QAnon Shaman and a bunch
of other largely middle aged folks walking around calmly and
(31:45):
taking photos. Now martially that it is okay. I've condemned
it from the beginning. I condemned it for many reasons.
One of them was I was like, this is very
stupid because it is handing the Democrats their favorite thing
in the world, which is something that they can get
the left wing all hysterical about for the next twenty years,
and this is but they've said it's worse than Pearl Harbor.
They've said if there are prominent Democrats who have said
(32:07):
it is worse than than nine to eleven. And I
wonder if we've if we've just reached it not even
fun anymore, It's not fun. Well, you know, I think
there's this concept of terminal velocity, right when you jump
out of a plane or something and you hit like
the absolute max speed and then that's just that's just
the speed you're going the rest of the way. I
think that's what terminal velocity is. I might it was
like a bad Charlie Sheen movie or one of those guys.
(32:29):
Um have we hit like terminal stupidity over at MSNBC,
Like it can't get any dumber or any crazier, Mostly
for me, I mean dumb and crazy. I love that.
Um No, it's it's the painful repetition. I can't there's
a lot I can't listen to the same thing all
the time, so even I have not really been watched
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what happened because you used to get to go on
and you and and and others and you know me too,
back back when this was a thing to debate people
on the other side. Have you noticed when did this
happen where all of a sudden, no one Now there's
no looney left wingers who will go on and have
a real like throw it out. I mean, I'm trying
to think, who are some of the like didn't you
(33:12):
and did you? And al Sharpe that ever debate? I
know you and probably the time rightly changed. This was
the introduction I wrote to my sub stack. I mean
all of cable news. I'm sorry. You can't just hold
MSNBC as as the only offender here. It has become
more just saying the things they think the audience wants
(33:34):
to hear, and they apparently think that their audiences don't
want to hear intelligent commentary or facts or history or no,
they want to be ginned up, be angry at everything
the other side is doing, and with no one there
to contradict them. I mean, this is why the American
system values debates and free speech. The idea that John
(33:59):
Stuart Mill idea that the truth will rise in a
battle for ideas. You want to sense her particular viewpoints, Well,
cable news has just been an absolute devolution. You have
learned more by talking to the hot dog. I'm seriously,
I'm not being sarcastic to a guy selling hot dogs
on the street. And why is it just considered okay
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that there are politicians. I mean Nancy Pelosi, for example,
would just would never go on Fox News or any
channel other than effectively regime media for her. I feel
like that's something of an indictment, like how hard should
it be for her to be able to go on? Sure,
she'll she'll get heat. I remember being told by somebody
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who was I forget which Fox show it was, and
this is back in the day, but one of these,
one of these really kind of radical I think it
was Gosh came with the guy's name. What are these
sort of more radical Islamists from the UK would go on?
It might have been it might have been Handy and
Combs back in the Handity and Combs days, which you
know well, and he would say self, you know, it's
like women should be The guy had a very sort
(35:01):
of thick British accent. You know, women should be you know,
treated like you know, servants or slaves or whatever. And
I mean a very inflammatory stuff. And of course Sean's
there and he's just like, you know, look at this lunatic.
This guy should be on a terrorist watch list. The
whole thing. I remember when I asked hibody said why
does this guy go on the show, and they said, no,
you didn't understand. He goes on because his supporters love it,
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even if you should have called all these things that
you know, he wants somebody who's going he wants to
go to battle. They want to see him battle, right.
I mean, that's just a kind of an extreme example
of it. I feel like nobody wants to battle anymore.
Everyone just retreats to the amen corner because it's it's easy,
it's lazy. I think pretty much all cable news house
(35:43):
on across the board could do their TV shows in
their sleep saying the same things over and over and
Biden bad. I mean you could. I think you could
do it with either network. Switch the facts, don't tell
them who did one thing, you know, Switch Biden to Trump,
or Trump to Biden, or just and just Biden, and
if they think it Biden did at all, that's very very,
(36:04):
very bad. And they won't as you I am, well,
for example, as you and I just did saying the
whole classified document thing is kind of bs oh, I
mean absolutely, it's it's one of these though. I think
the problem is there's a almost like an arms race
among people in the media now in particular to do
(36:26):
just whatever they think gets the clicks and works, and
so there's no no one's attached anymore because it's like, well,
if I don't do it, then somebody else is going
to do it, and then I just I just lose.
And I think that's very real, by the way, and
I think that as there's less and less debate and
people aren't exposed, I mean, I will say and I
never attack people on the right publicly. See it's a
(36:49):
politeness thing. And even I don't attack people on the
right publicly, you know, just because I don't like them
or I don't like something they've said. I'll disagree with
them on things, but I'm not going to say, you know,
that guy is a jackass. We've got plenty of jackasses
on the right, some of whom have very substantial audiences.
I mean people who are not neither learned, nor interesting
nor particularly good people. When it all comes down to it,
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there are far more on the left. I mean, I
think that a vast majority I would put in that
category in the media I'm talking about now. But on
the right, I think that something is something has kind
of shifted and happened where you don't have to be
very knowledgeable, you don't have to be a very honest person,
you certainly don't have to be a very ethical person,
and yet you can do very very well. Is that
(37:33):
a change? Am I just not even thinking that that's
a change. Maybe I am. I mean I haven't been No,
it's absolutely a change. It used to be. I think
TV was fun back then, and I think it was.
I mean, you mentioned Hannity and Combs. I remember in
the early days of Hannity and Combs. I mean, obviously,
I'm a political not I'm really paying attention to what's
going on in the world. But maybe I was writing
(37:54):
a book, maybe there was an issue I hadn't followed.
If I wanted to hear both sides of what they
r was, I'd turn on Hannity and Combs. It was
and I'm sure, And I don't mean, though I probably
would if I thought about it, I don't mean specifically
to dis CNN and MSNBC from the old days, they
probably had similar shows on. There was a lot well crossfire.
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I debate is good. That's how you know, Um, if
it's if it's all just people you know, saying the
same thing and oh you're so smart. You make me
smarter every time you come up my program, and oh
that's amazing, and there's there's no one to say, but wait,
that fact that was just mentioned isn't actually a fact.
At CNN, for example, people would say I had this
(38:38):
concept of I'm going to go into the Lions dead right,
and I knew by the way that place was always
hostile to me all the way on down. I mean
I I had some some friends who are producers over
there and people that we were decent, but overall just
the it was institutionally hostile to conservatives. This is now
twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen in that time period, and but
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I remember I'd go over there and my thinking was, well,
I don't want to let them get away with this nonsense,
and like we've got to bring the fight to the enemy.
But what you figure out when you're there is the
whole thing is completely rigged. They have the host who
is some screaming lib and they've got a you know,
one expert or something who they're going to go to first.
And then they've got a political pundit who's a Democrat.
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By the way, the expert and the Democrat pundit totally
agree on everything and are like high fiving each other.
And you're gonna go last, and you're the conservative and
it's someone else's show, so you're just there to just
get punched right in the nose. That's it. You're not there.
They're not gonna let you speak, They're gonna talk over you.
I mean, I've had them just basically cut off to
commercial in the middle of me talking like they don't care.
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So that's why that was part of the descent, and
now they don't even you know, it's kind of a
sad thing. Actually, when I see conservatives now at CNN
who are doing the dance of or I'm a conservative
or I'm a Republican, but all I do is trash
the right all the time on TV, I think that's
a sad thing. Like I think it's like they're making
hostage videos over there. Oh no, they're being paid well
(40:06):
for those to be the I'm a Republican speech. I
just don't think cable news has that much influence anymore.
I just think it's it's very a circular cocoon, the
way we used to make fun of, you know, the
New York Times. I think we're getting the same thing.
I mean, we're a country of three hundred and twenty
five million people and on a huge night, you know,
(40:29):
prime time cable, what they're getting a few million and
it's mostly an average age. Is what about seventy so
old people in their nursing homes can't figure out how
the remote works. But most people are online. And you know,
I just interviewed on subsack John Tierney from The New
York Times. Magnificent writer, magnificent outside the box writer. But
one of the books he wrote, which wasn't the main purpose,
(40:51):
but I talked to him at the end, is what's
called The Power of Bad. Very interesting book about how
when bad things that people remember criticism more than they
remember praise. A bad first interview was going to hurt
you more than a fantastic first impression. That sort of
thing and how you can use it to your benefit.
But one of the things he mentions in the book
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that I thought was kind of the headline item was that, yes,
the legacy media very very very negative. For example, their
COVID coverage. By the way, John Tierney was fantastic on COVID.
Go back and read his articles in City Journal. He's
everyone should be reading him, and he get was pointing
out all along, you're being hysterics. This is the flu.
(41:35):
This isn't that bad unless you're you're an old person
or you He was right, he was right, he was right.
But every night, how many did from COVID. They were
predicting two million in the next two weeks. Now, what
he said was, I'm sorry taking a long time to
go to the main point. Social media, Twitter, Facebook, people online.
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Crichton was a really really smart guy, very interesting guy,
obviously one of the more successful fiction writers of his generation.
And I remember, I think it was in a Charlie
Rose interview he said this, and this really stuck stuck
in my mind that it's not even so much. And
this was maybe circle let's say two thousand he said this,
(43:43):
but he said, it's not even that. If you want
to get attention, you have to be a catastrophist when
you're talking about anything of substance, Like if you want
people to pay attention, you have to say, oh my god,
everything's falling apart, everything is terrible. He said that actually
the mindset had shifted so that people were mad at you.
If you don't take that opinion, it's like, what do
you mean? How can you not? And you certainly see
this with like the climate change people, and you see
(44:05):
this with all just a way a lot of people
try to get attention when when they're talking about the country.
So I agree that there is negativity to that end,
or too much negativity. What makes and culture feel positive
about how things are going. Um, I know you're out
at the colleges talking to college kids all the time,
and college conservatives are the best because they've got that
like they've just discovered this reality that that they know
(44:28):
about and they're in the fight and they're realizing that
like they're they're red pilled at this young age. And
but you know what gives you a sense that it's
all gonna move in the right direction somehow, some way. Well,
it is true that conservatives in a liberal environment are
generally a lot of fun. They're not just rolling into
being conservatives. Conservatives in New York City, conservatives in Los Angeles,
(44:51):
and conservatives on college camps as there are a lot
of fun and they're not going to back down. They
don't wither under criticism, or they'd never be conservatives to
again with now, I don't think you ought to have
to be you know, brave and strong and courageous to
speak the truth in places like college campuses. But but
you kind of do when they are I don't know. Oddly,
I am quite optimistic. It's it's probably and you know, man,
(45:17):
I hope these aren't famous last words because politicians have
broken my heart so many times. But I'm I'm pretty
optimistic about about Rohn de Santis. I mean, people are
living in freedom in Florida. In one of his speeches,
it may have been the inaugural speech. I think you
were there, but I've heard this. People have said this
to me in Florida, and De Santa's repeated Europeans who
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came left Europe, left Australia came to Florida. They said
they felt like they were leaving East Germany and going
to West Germany under communism. And I got to tell you,
it's it is like that when I tweeted that it
went viral and when I left New York ring the
lockdowns to go to Miami, and it was it. I mean,
(46:05):
people also think that that's that was so this owes
wild exaggeration. They deployed National Guard soldiers to stand around
in the airports to collect personal information on people about
an aerosolized virus. They're standing there, you know, with their
mfors with no magazine in them, just supposed to look
like just to scare the virus. And the whole thing
(46:26):
was idiotic beyond words. And I'm actually somebody who I
refuse to let this stuff go. I don't know. I
maybe that's gonna be you to my detriment, but I
don't think it's okay what happened at all. And I
feel like, back to Rhonda Santis point, I have never
felt like I owed a politician a debt of gratitude before.
(46:50):
It is hard to explain how gratifying it was as
a New Yorker, in particular to be able to leave
in the midst of that hellish lunacy and just go
to a place where people were just it was just
like being in America again, or what you thought was America.
And yes, I think it's kind of important, and then
saying you, I think you should keep talking about this.
I think it's important because even though I feel optimistic,
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I'm not saying I'm putting all of my hopes in him.
There are other people. There are people like you, Buck,
And I mean, I guess I just throw it a
quick figure, real quick end. Will you tell everybody just
for the record that I was so anti max masks
so early that you were like, really, no, I know
you were right, though, I learned something interesting during masking.
I don't know if you remember. I used to say, no,
(47:33):
I was from masks long before. I fly a lot,
and I used to get a lot of colds and
i'd put a mask on. I wasn't a dork like
walking onto the plane with my mask, but once I
was seated, I would be a dork. I'd pull it
down to talk to the stewards, I'd pull it down
to go to the bathroom. And it was only when
in the wintertime when i'd hear, you know, tuberculosis boys
sitting behind me. But anyway, now I've learned that the
(47:54):
virus can go right through, and I assume flew viruses too.
But the reason I think it cut down on my colds,
and it definitely cut down on my colds from doing
a lot of flying, is that when you're sitting on
an airplane reading, at least I am constantly touching my face,
constantly touching my face, So as long as I had
the mask on, it was protecting me. But the reason
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I think you should continue with the COVID stuff, and
I think we all we all owe Ron de Santis
and other sane. But by the way, Glenn Youngan, the
one I mentioned, governor of Virginia. First day in office,
he ended all the mask mandates in school, it was beautiful.
I remember that it was beautiful. But I think, though
I have an optimistic personality. Generally, when you look back
(48:37):
at history, things that have been very harmful to a society,
to a country. One is losing faith, feeling like the
country was dishonest and people couldn't be trusted. I mean,
there was the betting on that baseball game you always
hear about. Sorry, you'll have to check with Clay on
exactly what was it was the tea And then the
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other one was there was a game show What's My
Line or something like that, and they found out that
they were shining quis show. Yeah, it's like a game quisha.
Oh sorry, is there a movie about that? I haven't
seen them. Yes, I think it's called what I'm saying. Yeah, Okay.
So now we have just lived through a couple of
years where we find out intelligence community intelligence officers are big, fat,
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stinking liars. We find out that the brass at the FBI,
big fat stinking liars. We find out that public health authorities,
big fat stinking liars, and Twitter, where we're supposed to
be able to engage in free speech, was suppressing the
free speech. I mean, it's hard to imagine a society
where there were this many attacks. The Russian collusion thing,
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New York Times won the Pulitzer Prize for that, and
the whole thing was bs the whole thing, So you
would think that bad things would be coming out of this.
And I don't know. I mean, I guess that's why
I looked Ron de Santis. I hope he can turn
this around. But boy, Ron de Santis is going to
have a lot on his plate. Do you have any
(50:08):
thoughts or opinions? And I didn't check with that on
the stuff before. And I like culter on the fly,
you know, because you never know. Sometimes you just gotta
have to duck, you know what's gonna come back at you.
But Andrew Tate, are you familiar with this guy any
of his stuff? He's gotten a lot of attention recently.
He's in a prison in Romania. Now do you know
about this guy? Well, I've seen the name and because
(50:28):
he was banned from Twitter. You so this is the
bad thing about banning people and then letting them back on.
Because he was banned and let back on, I just assumed, Oh,
he's probably funny. He's probably like Gavin McGinnis. Now i've
seen more about him, and you know, to quote my
favorite movie, Doctor Strangelove, he's a deviated prever. I actually,
(50:50):
should I see that movie. I haven't seen that one,
Doctor Strangelove. Oh my gosh, it's my favor I haven't
seen it. I have to check it out. I was
just wondering if you had a By the way, Clay
also recently cited now because we're really bringing this one back,
the cult theorem, which I remember from believe. I'm not
sure if it was one of your books or a column,
but I do remember as a culture theorem that the
(51:11):
oh no, it must have been mugged liberal demagoguery from
what was the thank you where the white white guilt
Bank shut down after OJ Because I'm wondering if we're
a headache a little bit more in that direction now,
and also the end of affirmative action in college admissions
(51:32):
has been that's been kind of a fascinating argument recently
to see that playing out where people are just saying, yeah,
it's good for society if Harvard pretends that Asians as
a matter of policy, have lacking personalities so they can
keep them out of Ivy League schools. People are always
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remember I just cited this in my affirmative action article
on sub stack. Bill Gates Foundation gave a lot of
money to researchers at Georgetown a couple of years ago
to determine who was discriminated against the most in college admissions.
So researchers spent some time, They got the colleges to
give them the SATs and the admission rate and the race.
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And this was at the top two hundred most selective colleges,
So top one hundred or two hundred, that's a lot
of colleges and guests which group their numbers would go
up most dramatically if there were no affirmative action, if
you weren't allowed to look at race. I had thought
it was Asians, but nope, light men. Really yes, I
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remember people poking and asking me all kinds of questions
when I got to Amberous, which is a you know,
one of these liberal arts colleges, but it's one of
those places that thinks it's saving the world by getting
very social justice focused. They couldn't believe I was a
white kid with I was not a recruited at Lead,
not the son of or you know, not not a
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child of alumni a legacy, and had no like financial
connection to the college that was. That was a rarity
for I mean because basically a lot of the white
kids or legacies are recruited athletes at those schools now,
and if you don't fit into one of those categories,
very tough, right, even the legacies. In defense of legacies,
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what we've learned about IQ, it is at least in
part genetic, there is a reversion to the means. So
if you have really smart parents, the odds are the
kids won't be as smart as the parents. If you
have really dumb parents, the odds are the kids won't
be as dumb as the parents. Yet. And still, if
you have a group of two hundred kids in one room,
two hundred kids in the other room, and you have
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low IQ parents in the first room and high the
odds are the out of the two hundred kids with
the high IQ parents they'll have the kids will have
higher IQs. That was just the name of this. Today
reading some New York Times are article about it's just
like throws in this BS line about well they have
generational wealth. No, it's not generational wealth, it's generational IQ.
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Another one where Anne is saying stuff that I'm sure
some people are going to start to get all googly,
They're going to start googling it, being like, wait a second, look,
I think is the be all end all. Obviously they're
more important qualities than in life. But to pretend that
I'm just saying the children of legacies, if the legacy
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has got in on the basis of the basis of
their of their SAT scores, the odds all or the
kids are gonna have decent SAT scores. It is just
anything that involves IQ. People there's like this immediately if
you even talk about it, everyone starts to freak out.
I think that's been a trained response for a lot
of people for a long time. As I understand it,
IQ is really more it's it's a general range of capacity.
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And so even within that, because I've met lots of
I have met people in my life who have walked
around saying, you know, I'm one forty five, I Q
or something, and you're like, yeah, you're kind of a loser,
so it doesn't you know, it can be really helpful,
but you know it doesn't mean that that's the only thing,
as you said, as you rightly understand. So and if
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I gave you one last, one last moment talked to
all the folks, obviously they should go check out your
sub stack, which is phenomenal. I am a sub I'm
a subscriber, full disclosure, and we're gonna get and some
Geeza dreamsheets and anything else. We're gonna tell everybody, Um, okay,
sub stack columns. Do you want to make any wild
(55:41):
predictions that we'll bring you back on to see if
you're right? Well? Is it desantist? Biden twenty twenty four.
I tend to think. I mean you and I have
talked about this. I think we agree. I think there's
a good chance Democrats do the Weekend of Bernie thing
with Biden just because he's gone, Look, who do they
(56:02):
have that little bootage? He's doing a bang up job here.
He's the most famous or maybe infamous transportation secretary of all.
Like I can't even name a transportation secretary before this guy. Oh,
I can't Norman Manetta. I hated him more, but week
after week just total disaster. I lodge and every time
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something like this happens, you just think back to that
picture of him and his husband in the hospital, rocking
the baby as if they're nursing. It. Never should go
check out ends sub stack and we'll have you back.
And next time I want to, I need to get
deeper into you know what you what you like to
read for fun, which I know you're a grateful, dead person,
(56:44):
which I do want to make fun of you for
this because an I can't do it. I can't do it.
I don't understand. But then again, I'm grumpy. I listen
to anything. The only music I don't like is jazz. Wow. Okay,
there's nothing class seer than boring jazz, I believe they
said once on the office. So there's that. And Coulter
(57:05):
with us. Thanks so much and great to see you.
Thanks for making the time. Thank you great to talk
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