October 2, 2023 • 29 mins
In this episode, Tudor interviews April Babcock, the founder of Lost Voices of Fentanyl, about the fentanyl crisis in the United States. April shares her personal experience of losing her son to fentanyl poisoning and emphasizes that fentanyl is a poisoning, not an overdose. They discuss the prevalence of fentanyl across the country, its dangers, and the need for action to address the crisis. They also touch on the role of China in the production and distribution of synthetic drugs, the issue of border security, and the importance of holding politicians accountable. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday, Wednesday, & Friday. For more information visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast in the Clay
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Fentanyl has become one
of the most urgent health crises in our country, with
the illicit drug pouring across our borders, wreaking havoc in
our communities and claiming a record number of innocent lives.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And this year alone, border patrol.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Seized enough fentanyl to kill the entire US population. Day
after day, we heard devastating stories from the day care
facility in the Bronx to teenagers experimenting with drugs for
the very first time. Fentanyl is now killing one American
every eight minutes. The crisis has worsened and politicians have
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to our guest today. Thank you April so much for
joining me. April is the founder of Lost Voices of Fentanyl,
which she started after losing her own twenty five year
old son, Austin to fentanyl poisoning in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Oh, thank you so much, Tutor for having me on
your show.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Absolutely, we were talking a little bit before we started
recording about what this is doing to the country. You
lost your son. You call this fentanyl poisoning. I think
that's a really big distinction between overdose. It brings it
home almost you know, this is something that can happen
to anyone, and we now know it can happen to
anyone because we've seen it happen to toddlers. Saw at
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the Airbnb, we saw it happen at the daycare. How
prevalent is ventanyl across the country.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I mean, it's absolutely out of control. And we call
it a poisoning because it is a poisoning.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It's not an overdose.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Anytime anyone disguises a harmful substance in anything for another
person to consume without their knowledge and it causes death
or harm, well there you go.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
That's the definition of a poisoning.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
And there's no safe dose of illicit fentanyl, absolutely zero.
Just because people can grow a tolerance to elicit drugs
still does not imply there's a safe dose to take.
So I don't call heroin or any drug a overdose.
I call them really it's a drug induced homicide. Why
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are drug.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Dealers getting away with murder?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
And for people actually seeking fentanyl? Almost every single person
that's out looking for it, they're looking for it because
they were deceived into fentanyl dependency. Heir Win users were
the first people being preyed upon, and no one really
seemed to care about heroin users. You know, I kind
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of refer to this as aids Ryan White. No one
cared about aids because it was it was their problem,
that was a gay people problem, just like fentanyl. No
one cared about fentanyl because that was a heroin users
problem until the thirteen year old Ryan White got it
from a blood transfusion, and then the.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
World started getting a little bit of empathy. So now.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
You know, the only reasons, the only reason really why
politicians are even talking about it now is because we
are losing babies and we are losing teenagers. But if
they would have started talking about it in twenty thirteen,
we wouldn't be burying babies and teenagers.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Now, I think that's critical because you say that and
on honestly, for folks that weren't involved in the fight
against drugs, we didn't realize this was coming into the country,
and I felt very naive about this. But I did
not realize. And you come from a place of understanding
you're a recovering addict yourself, this is not You're not
just fighting for your son, You're fighting for a community
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that you fell into and you want to.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Pull other people out of.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I mean absolutely, if fentanyl was out back in the day,
I would most definitely be dead. So is my life
worth nothing? Should I have just died and my life
is worth nothing? So everyone that's actually hooked on it,
God bless them. They don't want that, believe me. And
now they're leasing the fentanyl with xylazine, which is narcan resistant.
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I mean, that's what they call trank two. There's and
there's all these other analogs of fentanyl out there that
are way more powerful than fentanyl.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I mean half of them I can't even pronounce. You know,
you got a.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Setyl fentanyl car fentanyl flora fentanyl and a ton more
showing up, showing up when these toxicology reports, this is
out of control.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Let me talk to you a little bit about your
son getting involved in this, because I think that some
people think, well, that's not going to happen to me.
But I have met folks who come from a family
that has substance abuse issues to people who have never
dealt with substance abuse at all, don't.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Know what they're looking at.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
But teenagers are getting pulled into using marijuana. And people
have said that is not a gateway drugs. But that's
what happened with your son Cross exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
My son started smoking marijuana at nineteen. He didn't last
very long. He was dead six years later. Marijuana is
a gateway. And the marijuana dealer news, the coke dealer,
the coke dealer news, the dope dealer.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Come on, come on, it's a gateway. You know. It's
just horrific what's happening in our country.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Like, so what do you say about these dates that
are I mean in the state of Michigan, you know,
marijuana is legal now, Colorado, all of these states that
are passing marijuana becoming legal.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
What's going to happen in the communities.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
They just passed it here in Maryland July first of
this year. Yeah, I don't know. All I know is
our youth, our poor youth. They're under attack. Literally, Americans
are under attack. Thirteen year olds are dying from a pill,
from smoking weed, from fentanyl in a vate pen.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I mean, so, I think that's key because I think
parents don't understand how easily it comes to you. You
can think that you're getting something that is very innocent.
You can think that, and I think that a lot
of teenagers because they see it legalized, especially in states
where it is legal and it's in the form of
a gummy.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, people think that this is very innocent.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I have said for years we are praying on
the youngest people because you are creating an industry that
looks like it is desserts and candies and kids are going,
oh wow, I eat this candy and I feel a
little bit better.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And what does that lead to? And people say, it's
not a game. How can that not be a gateway?
It leads to death.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Let me tell you, adderall we have elementary school children
that are prescribed that. You know how many kids I
have dead from adderall, well, too many on the banners.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
We do a banner project and we put.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
The faces on a banner and we display them. This
is just not normal. Big Pharma created a pill pop
in generation. These kids think it's no big deal to
pop a NX. My son's best friend died eighteen months
after him from taking his NX, and it wasn't his ANX.
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It was a fake bill made to look like a
real pharmaceutical grade pill and he was twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Why are we not being told how to talk to
kids about their behavior and help them with anxiety because
I've had this experience. My daughter went through anxiety. We
talked to a therapist. The therapist within two months said
she had to be put on medication.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I said, no way.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I got calls over and over again from the psychiatrist
that they recommended, to the point where I almost had
to say, I'm blocking your number if you don't stop
calling me, because we can work through this. Instead of
a therapist sitting with us and saying here are some
techniques to get through the anxiety, which you think you're
going to go to somebody who's going to talk about
how you work through this behaviorally, but they don't. They
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instantaneously work for big Pharma and with it, like I said,
within two months, it was put her on a drug.
And I said, no way, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I mean, I think it's all corruption.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
We're like you said, the money, big pharma, follow the
money like and they're making all the money.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Off an archian.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
So they created the crap to kill us, and now
they create the reversal.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And I hate saying this.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
We are never going to narcan our way out of
a fentanyl crisis. I'm all for a narcian. It's a
life saving tool. Like we want to hold a government approach.
We want narcian. Anywhere there's a fire extinguisher, there should
be narcian. Every first aid kit should have narcian. Every school,
every daycare, every government, federal, local, state, every building should
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have narcian. But we're still not don a narcian our
way out of this crisis. Our government literally has to
do something about the cartels.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. So you're right, we start talking
about this because it starts hitting toddlers. Like I said,
we see the little.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Toddler I think she was eighteen months old at the
airbnb that ended up just ingesting fentanyl because it was
left thereby the people before. This is how dangerous this
stuff is. I mean, it touches a baby's hand and
that's it's just a yeah, right, we are, yes, we
are in the situation.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Where no one can ignore this now.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And I mean I think your analogy, Ryan White analogy
is interesting because I think so many people could ignore
it when it was like, well, it was an adult
that made a choice, But as it gets younger and younger,
you can't.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And so you've seen this in these debates.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You've seen these politicians asked about what are you going
to do about the drug problem, and a few of
them have said, you know, we're going to go after
the Cartels. I will tell you that I hear over
and over again Nikki Haley saying that she wants to
go after the CCP.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Please he says, you know, Kurtels are in the next step.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Tell us about that, because I think people maybe when
they hear her say that, they don't understand why she's
saying that.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I mean, that is the source of fentanyl.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
They're the head of the snake all these precursor chemicals
that are killing our children here in America, all of them,
all these synthetics come straight from pharmaceutical labs in China.
I mean, you can go to the DEEA website. It's
even that's where all the synthetics come.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Is that China. They're not burying their people from synthetic drugs.
We are.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Why isn't our government doing something about China? So the
first route, the first big rally I had I ever had,
was in front of the Chinese embassy for that reason.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But the location is crap.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
So that's why we don't go back there anymore because
it's just not a good location in DC.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
But yeah, we want China dealt with.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
They're getting allowed to kill Americans without firing one shot.
So they killed her elderly, or they're killing her elderly
with a virus.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
They kill our youth with a chemical.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And no one's held them accountable. I mean, you have
not heard Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'm maybe I'm missing something, but I have not heard
Joe Biden say that he is going to hold China
accountable for the pandemic or for this pandemic, this drug
pandemic that is going across the country and really it's
coming into the United States. So this is something that's
happening to our to an extreme level because they know
there is an ability to get this in. They also
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want to be the world leaders. I mean, this is
not a coincidence that this is coming into the United
States directly from China and they are the source.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Have you spoken when I talk.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
About the DeSantis favig We've heard Nikki Haley talk about
these things. Have you talked to any of these politicians
about your experience and if so, what is your interpretation
of their plans?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I mean, I haven't spoke with any of them directly.
I did connect Vivid Ramaswami with a bunch of a
bunch of parents from my group, and I know he
reached out to him and they had like roundtable discussions
on fentanyl. I don't care who the president is. I
don't care. I want them to protect Americans first. That's
what I want, and it's obviously not coming from this
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current administration. They don't care. You know, why can't we
get invited on the White House lawn? Why don't they
act like they care. If they cared, they would do something.
And the depth holl would decline when until that death
toll declines, they don't care.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
They're not doing enough.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You lost your son during the Trump administration. Did you
feel that they were doing anything or did you feel
the same like it was a totally ignored I.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Felt like, well, the wall. We want a secure border.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I mean it is common knowledge ninety five percent of
illicit drugs coming into our country is coming through this
southern border, So why is it unsecure? That's what we want.
We want the wall Finnis and secure the border. Like
I'm all for illegal immigrants coming here legally legally, why
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should we fund.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You talked about immigration.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You know, there was a point when what we were
seeing coming across the border was large amounts of heroin cocaine.
That was what was coming across. There wasn't like you
said this kind of turn twenty thirteen. This fentanyl, This
fentanyl is coming from China and the cartels.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Are you were unable?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Do you do you believe that it has to be
a multifaceted approach, that you have to shut off China
and say China. I mean we've heard folks, we've heard
some of these politicians saying, hey, I would go to
China first and say, if you don't cut off fentanyl,
then we're done with trade. I mean, that's a pretty
aggressive approach to say we're going to cut China off.
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But really, when you hear I mean, Nikki Haley made
the point that we've lost more people to fentanyl poisoning
than we have in the last three wars in the.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
United States, and that's it. That's a significant number.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
So it's like, how many people have to die? That's
what I want to know. How many people do we
have to bury for them to do their job? You
know what we want? We want a ticker. We want
a covidfe response to elicit fentanyl. They did it for COVID.
Where's our ticker for fentanyl? And not just the death toll.
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I want to know how many people were narcian. Everybody
that's here because of narcian they were dead. They are
only here because of Narcian and they're not even counting
those into the equation. We don't even know this scope
of this of what's going on in our country.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
We have no clue.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
And there's still places in America that aren't even testing
for fentanyl.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
On the talks reports still.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So you're saying that there is the number of folks
that we lose every year that are listed as an
overdose depths the number of folks. Then there are the
number of folks that actually died that were brought back
by narcan.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So we're not actually we need to really assess this.
Our government needs to really assess it. They did it
for COVID. We knew how many people were in the
hospital with COVID and every freaking state eight. Why do
they not care about ilicit fentnyl? Why whose kid has
to die for our government to give a crap, Because
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what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Is they're lying to us.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
They don't really care, because if they did, they would
go after the cartels, they would label them a more
saris organization.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
What do you say to the people who say having
the open border is the kind thing to do.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Is this just being naive or is this like are
they a part of this.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Very naive head in the sand?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Talk to the angel families that have buried their kids
to illegal immigrants. You know how many people crossing that
have died, And these are the immigrants that they're saying
they care for. They're dying. We just had a three
year old drown in the Rio Grin this week crossing.
How is that humane? They're dying out there of starvation.
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I mean they had a tractor trailer loude of legals
all dead. You know, CNN viewers, it's just the truth, CNN, MSNBC.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
They are not seeing all the real facts.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I work with some of these people, like Boots on
the Ground, shareff thatte Is Cleveland of Terrell County in Texas,
Like he gives me all these stats all the time.
Jason Jones, Dereck Mantz, Tom Homan, like listen to people.
They're trying to educate the public. And why some people
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don't want to listen to them. I'll never understand that
they're literally trying to protect Americans, just countries.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So tell us about your organization because you I mean,
it's you went through twenty years of addiction and you
got out of this and now you're fighting. So tell
us a little bit about your journey. What was it
that's made you say, Okay, I'm done and I'm going
to be on the other side of this now to
try to save other lives.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Honestly, I read that. I can't say you how many times.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
But when I saw my son dead and laid on
his body for twenty minutes, that's when I That's when
I fell to my knees and said, God, I'm done,
I'm well, yours here, I am use me.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
You know, it took lots of prayer. It's horrific to
lose a child. It's horrific.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
And some of these families, they had no warning. You
must say their kids were run over by a mac truck.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Like now, I had.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Warning with my son, but.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Still, when you actually see your kid laying there dead,
you must well say he was run over by a
mack truck. You're never prepared. You're never prepared to bury
a child. It's just not the orderly fashion. I didn't
even know if my kid wanted to be buried or cremated.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I mean, I think that's the most heart wrenching part
about it. You don't It's a life cut so short
you don't even know, and yet what their dreams and
plans were, let alone how they would want to be
taken care of at the end of life.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I mean, so many kids haven't even graduated, thirteen, twelve,
fifteen year olds. This isn't normal and these families. A
lot of these moms and dads like me, they can't
even grieve their children because they're all trying to save
your kids from death. I mean, they're going into schools.
I mean, we got parents all over the country. Where
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are the ones doing the PSAs? Where are the ones
doing the public service announcements coming out of our pockets?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Where's our government at? Where are they at?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
We shouldn't have government officials, right, What do they say
to you?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I don't know. I'm just really disgusted.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
In my state of Maryland, I don't have one open
door with any politician in my state.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
None. So that's kind And when I.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Decided I was going to rally in TC because I
was getting nowhere in my state and I kind of
did give up on my state. So when I had
the rally, my very first one in twenty twenty one,
it was the day after the Afghanistan bombing, so we
had no coverage, but we went, and then my group
kind of just kind of exploded. And I mean, we
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have thirty thousand members right now in our discussion group
on Facebook, but really no, not wow, it's really nothing.
If you look at we lost one hundred and ten
thousand Americans last year, And let me tell you that's
a low ball number.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
But a te hundred and ten thousand Americans? Is you
multiply that by families, think of the number of people.
That's why I say all the time, everyone is affected
in some way by this. Everyone has a friend or
a relative that they know that has been affected by
drug addiction. It is so prevalent, and there are I mean,
and it comes in so many different forms. It comes
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in depression, it comes in hey, I was given this
medication for a knee injury, and then I looked for
more medication. It's all, there's so many different ways that
this happens. It does not choose based on socioeconomic value.
It does not choose based on the color of your skin,
It does not choose based on anything.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
It can happen to anyone.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And I think that's why when you say thirty thousand
people have come together lost voices of fentanyl, there are
going to be more and more people. So when are
the when are the congression congressmen and senators, and when
are the people of Washington, DC going to come together
with you and say okay, enough is enough? Does it
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take those folks losing someone. I mean, I'm serious about
this because it makes me angry to think there's an
answer and it's just not being done.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Here's part of the problem, and it's just the truth.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Because I've talked to hundreds, literally hundreds of family members
that have testified on bills like in their state, like
bills to crack down on feentanyl traffickers. I testified on
a bill here in Maryland for fetanal traffickers, and as
my story is the same with every other family I've
talked to. Every bill that's sitting dead in the water.
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If it's a fentanyl bill, you best believe it's sitting
dead in the water because of a Democrat won't pass it.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Why is that?
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Because Democrats are burying their children. It's these politicians and
they make it political and they we the families don't
make it a political issue, but it is a political
And I tell people, blame the politicians, write them, call them.
Why are they making it political? I don't know, but
they do. And it's really sick and disgusting because this
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is a red, white and blue issue.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Everyone is dying here.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I mean, it's not political in your hearts, it's not
political in your family when you realize you've lost someone.
But that's right.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, at the end of the day, the only people
that can stop this are the people that have been
elected to office. And so if that's not your number
one concern, I mean, our number one concern should be
the safety of the people and national security, and both
of those things are at risk as long as you
have drugs coming across your border that addict people and
kill people. And so I don't understand how you can
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have I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Right, Benny Thompson. They had congressional testimony in DC. Jason
Jones was testifying Derek Maltz, and Benny Jones pretty much
said Benny Thompson, I'm sorry, I think that's I'm pretty
sure that's his name. But he said this was a
waste of his time, and he called it a Maga stunt.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Really, that's a punch in my face.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
That's a punch in every one of us family members
with dead kids. I don't care if they have five
hundred hearings until they start acting on these hearings and
passing bills like get out of my face. Americans are dying.
The cartels have operational control of that border. Everyone with
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eyes can see and ears to hear can see what's
going on. The cartels are in this country. There was
just an MS illegal immigrant thirty minutes from my house
that killed a teenage girl. He was an illegal immigrant
from Guatemala. MS thirteen member and Aberdeen, Maryland.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
You can google it. She's dead. They're all over our country.
I mean, why are they allowed to be here?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Look at the daycare center right in the Bronx, New York,
two fridays ago.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
To have somebody this is to have somebody call out
another political party or a part of a political party
and say this is some kind of a stunt, like
you said you lost your son during the Trump administration.
This is a problem for the country. It's not a
problem for one party. It's not a problem for certain people.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yes, and I'm going to state this when Rebecca Kissling
this past year, she testified in Congress too on fentanaw
I forget what the actual.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
The name of the whatever was called. Don't mind me,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
But when she lost her two sons, And it was
like the following day and she was talking about secure
the border. Yes, we want the border secure. That's how
the crap is getting into our country. So yes, we
want secure borders. And Joe Biden was asked about it
and he kind of chuckled and went her boys died
(26:39):
under the Trump administration. Well, what does it matter. You
are the sitting president. It shouldn't matter if a child
died under.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Trump or Obama.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
And mind you, you were the VP under the Obama
administration when this crisis started exploding and they did nothing
the Obama administration.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I think that's the point of saying that it's not political.
It's happening under It doesn't matter if you're a Republican
or a Democrat. It's coming into this country and the
only people that can stop it are the people that
are elected. Those are the people that can make the
choices of what they do with tariff's in China, what
they do with trade in China, what they do with
the cartels on the border, how they work with Mexico.
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All of these things are things that we hear in
these debates. We hear some of these questions asked. But
I would say to those of you who are listening,
this can hit you at any time. You are not safe.
You are never safe from drugs coming into this country,
no matter how old your kids are, your family members are.
It's always out there and it is coming. That's the
scary thing is they're looking for you. They want you
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to be involved in this lifestyle, in these in this
you know, get you addicted to drugs that they're trying
to track you down no matter who you are, And
you have to listen to these answers. You have to
ask your politicians and I and I would say to
people in their own state, ask if you see your congressman,
if you're donating to a congressman or a senator, say hey,
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I want to know what you're going to do about FENTNA.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I want to know it's so what tell us before
I let you go?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Tell us about your organization and tell folks how they
can help.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
So lost Voice of Fentanyl. We really focus on supply.
We don't focus on the demand side. So we're focused
on China, the Mexican cartels, the southern border, and drug
dealers here in America like and drug traffickers like. We
don't want drug dealers getting away with murder. Our kids
pay the ultimate price. They're six feet under and they
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literally get away with murder. So we support the Drug
Induced Thomicide Foundation. We focus on supply. We're on Facebook,
We're on Twitter. Our biggest discussion group is on Facebook.
We have a YouTube channel. You can also visit our
website at LVOF dot.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Org and donate. We need money.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Make sure you support them.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And also, if you are someone who's experienced this thing,
you need people to talk to. It sounds a good
great place to go and find other people who have
gone through this themselves. Thank you, Thank you so much
for being here with me today, April Babcock.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Fentanyl has become one
of the most urgent health crises in our country, with
the illicit drug pouring across our borders, wreaking havoc in
our communities and claiming a record number of innocent lives.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
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the very first time. Fentanyl is now killing one American
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joining me. April is the founder of Lost Voices of Fentanyl,
which she started after losing her own twenty five year
old son, Austin to fentanyl poisoning in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Oh, thank you so much, Tutor for having me on
your show.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Absolutely, we were talking a little bit before we started
recording about what this is doing to the country. You
lost your son. You call this fentanyl poisoning. I think
that's a really big distinction between overdose. It brings it
home almost you know, this is something that can happen
to anyone, and we now know it can happen to
anyone because we've seen it happen to toddlers. Saw at
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the Airbnb, we saw it happen at the daycare. How
prevalent is ventanyl across the country.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I mean, it's absolutely out of control. And we call
it a poisoning because it is a poisoning.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It's not an overdose.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Anytime anyone disguises a harmful substance in anything for another
person to consume without their knowledge and it causes death
or harm, well there you go.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
That's the definition of a poisoning.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
And there's no safe dose of illicit fentanyl, absolutely zero.
Just because people can grow a tolerance to elicit drugs
still does not imply there's a safe dose to take.
So I don't call heroin or any drug a overdose.
I call them really it's a drug induced homicide. Why
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are drug.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Dealers getting away with murder?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
And for people actually seeking fentanyl? Almost every single person
that's out looking for it, they're looking for it because
they were deceived into fentanyl dependency. Heir Win users were
the first people being preyed upon, and no one really
seemed to care about heroin users. You know, I kind
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of refer to this as aids Ryan White. No one
cared about aids because it was it was their problem,
that was a gay people problem, just like fentanyl. No
one cared about fentanyl because that was a heroin users
problem until the thirteen year old Ryan White got it
from a blood transfusion, and then the.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
World started getting a little bit of empathy. So now.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
You know, the only reasons, the only reason really why
politicians are even talking about it now is because we
are losing babies and we are losing teenagers. But if
they would have started talking about it in twenty thirteen,
we wouldn't be burying babies and teenagers.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Now, I think that's critical because you say that and
on honestly, for folks that weren't involved in the fight
against drugs, we didn't realize this was coming into the country,
and I felt very naive about this. But I did
not realize. And you come from a place of understanding
you're a recovering addict yourself, this is not You're not
just fighting for your son, You're fighting for a community
(05:18):
that you fell into and you want to.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Pull other people out of.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I mean absolutely, if fentanyl was out back in the day,
I would most definitely be dead. So is my life
worth nothing? Should I have just died and my life
is worth nothing? So everyone that's actually hooked on it,
God bless them. They don't want that, believe me. And
now they're leasing the fentanyl with xylazine, which is narcan resistant.
(05:46):
I mean, that's what they call trank two. There's and
there's all these other analogs of fentanyl out there that
are way more powerful than fentanyl.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I mean half of them I can't even pronounce. You know,
you got a.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Setyl fentanyl car fentanyl flora fentanyl and a ton more
showing up, showing up when these toxicology reports, this is
out of control.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Let me talk to you a little bit about your
son getting involved in this, because I think that some
people think, well, that's not going to happen to me.
But I have met folks who come from a family
that has substance abuse issues to people who have never
dealt with substance abuse at all, don't.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Know what they're looking at.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
But teenagers are getting pulled into using marijuana. And people
have said that is not a gateway drugs. But that's
what happened with your son Cross exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
My son started smoking marijuana at nineteen. He didn't last
very long. He was dead six years later. Marijuana is
a gateway. And the marijuana dealer news, the coke dealer,
the coke dealer news, the dope dealer.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Come on, come on, it's a gateway. You know. It's
just horrific what's happening in our country.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Like, so what do you say about these dates that
are I mean in the state of Michigan, you know,
marijuana is legal now, Colorado, all of these states that
are passing marijuana becoming legal.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
What's going to happen in the communities.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
They just passed it here in Maryland July first of
this year. Yeah, I don't know. All I know is
our youth, our poor youth. They're under attack. Literally, Americans
are under attack. Thirteen year olds are dying from a pill,
from smoking weed, from fentanyl in a vate pen.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I mean, so, I think that's key because I think
parents don't understand how easily it comes to you. You
can think that you're getting something that is very innocent.
You can think that, and I think that a lot
of teenagers because they see it legalized, especially in states
where it is legal and it's in the form of
a gummy.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, people think that this is very innocent.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I have said for years we are praying on
the youngest people because you are creating an industry that
looks like it is desserts and candies and kids are going,
oh wow, I eat this candy and I feel a
little bit better.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And what does that lead to? And people say, it's
not a game. How can that not be a gateway?
It leads to death.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Let me tell you, adderall we have elementary school children
that are prescribed that. You know how many kids I
have dead from adderall, well, too many on the banners.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
We do a banner project and we put.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
The faces on a banner and we display them. This
is just not normal. Big Pharma created a pill pop
in generation. These kids think it's no big deal to
pop a NX. My son's best friend died eighteen months
after him from taking his NX, and it wasn't his ANX.
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It was a fake bill made to look like a
real pharmaceutical grade pill and he was twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Why are we not being told how to talk to
kids about their behavior and help them with anxiety because
I've had this experience. My daughter went through anxiety. We
talked to a therapist. The therapist within two months said
she had to be put on medication.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I said, no way.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I got calls over and over again from the psychiatrist
that they recommended, to the point where I almost had
to say, I'm blocking your number if you don't stop
calling me, because we can work through this. Instead of
a therapist sitting with us and saying here are some
techniques to get through the anxiety, which you think you're
going to go to somebody who's going to talk about
how you work through this behaviorally, but they don't. They
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instantaneously work for big Pharma and with it, like I said,
within two months, it was put her on a drug.
And I said, no way, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I mean, I think it's all corruption.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
We're like you said, the money, big pharma, follow the
money like and they're making all the money.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Off an archian.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
So they created the crap to kill us, and now
they create the reversal.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And I hate saying this.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
We are never going to narcan our way out of
a fentanyl crisis. I'm all for a narcian. It's a
life saving tool. Like we want to hold a government approach.
We want narcian. Anywhere there's a fire extinguisher, there should
be narcian. Every first aid kit should have narcian. Every school,
every daycare, every government, federal, local, state, every building should
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have narcian. But we're still not don a narcian our
way out of this crisis. Our government literally has to
do something about the cartels.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. So you're right, we start talking
about this because it starts hitting toddlers. Like I said,
we see the little.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Toddler I think she was eighteen months old at the
airbnb that ended up just ingesting fentanyl because it was
left thereby the people before. This is how dangerous this
stuff is. I mean, it touches a baby's hand and
that's it's just a yeah, right, we are, yes, we
are in the situation.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Where no one can ignore this now.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And I mean I think your analogy, Ryan White analogy
is interesting because I think so many people could ignore
it when it was like, well, it was an adult
that made a choice, But as it gets younger and younger,
you can't.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And so you've seen this in these debates.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You've seen these politicians asked about what are you going
to do about the drug problem, and a few of
them have said, you know, we're going to go after
the Cartels. I will tell you that I hear over
and over again Nikki Haley saying that she wants to
go after the CCP.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Please he says, you know, Kurtels are in the next step.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Tell us about that, because I think people maybe when
they hear her say that, they don't understand why she's
saying that.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I mean, that is the source of fentanyl.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
They're the head of the snake all these precursor chemicals
that are killing our children here in America, all of them,
all these synthetics come straight from pharmaceutical labs in China.
I mean, you can go to the DEEA website. It's
even that's where all the synthetics come.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Is that China. They're not burying their people from synthetic drugs.
We are.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Why isn't our government doing something about China? So the
first route, the first big rally I had I ever had,
was in front of the Chinese embassy for that reason.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But the location is crap.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
So that's why we don't go back there anymore because
it's just not a good location in DC.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
But yeah, we want China dealt with.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
They're getting allowed to kill Americans without firing one shot.
So they killed her elderly, or they're killing her elderly
with a virus.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
They kill our youth with a chemical.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And no one's held them accountable. I mean, you have
not heard Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'm maybe I'm missing something, but I have not heard
Joe Biden say that he is going to hold China
accountable for the pandemic or for this pandemic, this drug
pandemic that is going across the country and really it's
coming into the United States. So this is something that's
happening to our to an extreme level because they know
there is an ability to get this in. They also
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want to be the world leaders. I mean, this is
not a coincidence that this is coming into the United
States directly from China and they are the source.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Have you spoken when I talk.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
About the DeSantis favig We've heard Nikki Haley talk about
these things. Have you talked to any of these politicians
about your experience and if so, what is your interpretation
of their plans?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I mean, I haven't spoke with any of them directly.
I did connect Vivid Ramaswami with a bunch of a
bunch of parents from my group, and I know he
reached out to him and they had like roundtable discussions
on fentanyl. I don't care who the president is. I
don't care. I want them to protect Americans first. That's
what I want, and it's obviously not coming from this
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current administration. They don't care. You know, why can't we
get invited on the White House lawn? Why don't they
act like they care. If they cared, they would do something.
And the depth holl would decline when until that death
toll declines, they don't care.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
They're not doing enough.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You lost your son during the Trump administration. Did you
feel that they were doing anything or did you feel
the same like it was a totally ignored I.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Felt like, well, the wall. We want a secure border.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I mean it is common knowledge ninety five percent of
illicit drugs coming into our country is coming through this
southern border, So why is it unsecure? That's what we want.
We want the wall Finnis and secure the border. Like
I'm all for illegal immigrants coming here legally legally, why
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should we fund.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You talked about immigration.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You know, there was a point when what we were
seeing coming across the border was large amounts of heroin cocaine.
That was what was coming across. There wasn't like you
said this kind of turn twenty thirteen. This fentanyl, This
fentanyl is coming from China and the cartels.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Are you were unable?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Do you do you believe that it has to be
a multifaceted approach, that you have to shut off China
and say China. I mean we've heard folks, we've heard
some of these politicians saying, hey, I would go to
China first and say, if you don't cut off fentanyl,
then we're done with trade. I mean, that's a pretty
aggressive approach to say we're going to cut China off.
(15:32):
But really, when you hear I mean, Nikki Haley made
the point that we've lost more people to fentanyl poisoning
than we have in the last three wars in the.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
United States, and that's it. That's a significant number.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
So it's like, how many people have to die? That's
what I want to know. How many people do we
have to bury for them to do their job? You
know what we want? We want a ticker. We want
a covidfe response to elicit fentanyl. They did it for COVID.
Where's our ticker for fentanyl? And not just the death toll.
(16:06):
I want to know how many people were narcian. Everybody
that's here because of narcian they were dead. They are
only here because of Narcian and they're not even counting
those into the equation. We don't even know this scope
of this of what's going on in our country.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
We have no clue.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
And there's still places in America that aren't even testing
for fentanyl.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
On the talks reports still.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So you're saying that there is the number of folks
that we lose every year that are listed as an
overdose depths the number of folks. Then there are the
number of folks that actually died that were brought back
by narcan.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So we're not actually we need to really assess this.
Our government needs to really assess it. They did it
for COVID. We knew how many people were in the
hospital with COVID and every freaking state eight. Why do
they not care about ilicit fentnyl? Why whose kid has
to die for our government to give a crap, Because
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what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Is they're lying to us.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
They don't really care, because if they did, they would
go after the cartels, they would label them a more
saris organization.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
What do you say to the people who say having
the open border is the kind thing to do.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Is this just being naive or is this like are
they a part of this.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Very naive head in the sand?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Talk to the angel families that have buried their kids
to illegal immigrants. You know how many people crossing that
have died, And these are the immigrants that they're saying
they care for. They're dying. We just had a three
year old drown in the Rio Grin this week crossing.
How is that humane? They're dying out there of starvation.
(17:57):
I mean they had a tractor trailer loude of legals
all dead. You know, CNN viewers, it's just the truth, CNN, MSNBC.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
They are not seeing all the real facts.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I work with some of these people, like Boots on
the Ground, shareff thatte Is Cleveland of Terrell County in Texas,
Like he gives me all these stats all the time.
Jason Jones, Dereck Mantz, Tom Homan, like listen to people.
They're trying to educate the public. And why some people
(18:30):
don't want to listen to them. I'll never understand that
they're literally trying to protect Americans, just countries.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So tell us about your organization because you I mean,
it's you went through twenty years of addiction and you
got out of this and now you're fighting. So tell
us a little bit about your journey. What was it
that's made you say, Okay, I'm done and I'm going
to be on the other side of this now to
try to save other lives.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Honestly, I read that. I can't say you how many times.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
But when I saw my son dead and laid on
his body for twenty minutes, that's when I That's when
I fell to my knees and said, God, I'm done,
I'm well, yours here, I am use me.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
You know, it took lots of prayer. It's horrific to
lose a child. It's horrific.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
And some of these families, they had no warning. You
must say their kids were run over by a mac truck.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Like now, I had.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Warning with my son, but.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Still, when you actually see your kid laying there dead,
you must well say he was run over by a
mack truck. You're never prepared. You're never prepared to bury
a child. It's just not the orderly fashion. I didn't
even know if my kid wanted to be buried or cremated.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I mean, I think that's the most heart wrenching part
about it. You don't It's a life cut so short
you don't even know, and yet what their dreams and
plans were, let alone how they would want to be
taken care of at the end of life.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I mean, so many kids haven't even graduated, thirteen, twelve,
fifteen year olds. This isn't normal and these families. A
lot of these moms and dads like me, they can't
even grieve their children because they're all trying to save
your kids from death. I mean, they're going into schools.
I mean, we got parents all over the country. Where
(20:33):
are the ones doing the PSAs? Where are the ones
doing the public service announcements coming out of our pockets?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Where's our government at? Where are they at?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
We shouldn't have government officials, right, What do they say
to you?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I don't know. I'm just really disgusted.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
In my state of Maryland, I don't have one open
door with any politician in my state.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
None. So that's kind And when I.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Decided I was going to rally in TC because I
was getting nowhere in my state and I kind of
did give up on my state. So when I had
the rally, my very first one in twenty twenty one,
it was the day after the Afghanistan bombing, so we
had no coverage, but we went, and then my group
kind of just kind of exploded. And I mean, we
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have thirty thousand members right now in our discussion group
on Facebook, but really no, not wow, it's really nothing.
If you look at we lost one hundred and ten
thousand Americans last year, And let me tell you that's
a low ball number.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
But a te hundred and ten thousand Americans? Is you
multiply that by families, think of the number of people.
That's why I say all the time, everyone is affected
in some way by this. Everyone has a friend or
a relative that they know that has been affected by
drug addiction. It is so prevalent, and there are I mean,
and it comes in so many different forms. It comes
(21:57):
in depression, it comes in hey, I was given this
medication for a knee injury, and then I looked for
more medication. It's all, there's so many different ways that
this happens. It does not choose based on socioeconomic value.
It does not choose based on the color of your skin,
It does not choose based on anything.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
It can happen to anyone.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And I think that's why when you say thirty thousand
people have come together lost voices of fentanyl, there are
going to be more and more people. So when are
the when are the congression congressmen and senators, and when
are the people of Washington, DC going to come together
with you and say okay, enough is enough? Does it
(22:39):
take those folks losing someone. I mean, I'm serious about
this because it makes me angry to think there's an
answer and it's just not being done.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Here's part of the problem, and it's just the truth.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Because I've talked to hundreds, literally hundreds of family members
that have testified on bills like in their state, like
bills to crack down on feentanyl traffickers. I testified on
a bill here in Maryland for fetanal traffickers, and as
my story is the same with every other family I've
talked to. Every bill that's sitting dead in the water.
(23:15):
If it's a fentanyl bill, you best believe it's sitting
dead in the water because of a Democrat won't pass it.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Why is that?
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Because Democrats are burying their children. It's these politicians and
they make it political and they we the families don't
make it a political issue, but it is a political
And I tell people, blame the politicians, write them, call them.
Why are they making it political? I don't know, but
they do. And it's really sick and disgusting because this
(23:45):
is a red, white and blue issue.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Everyone is dying here.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I mean, it's not political in your hearts, it's not
political in your family when you realize you've lost someone.
But that's right.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, at the end of the day, the only people
that can stop this are the people that have been
elected to office. And so if that's not your number
one concern, I mean, our number one concern should be
the safety of the people and national security, and both
of those things are at risk as long as you
have drugs coming across your border that addict people and
kill people. And so I don't understand how you can
(24:27):
have I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Right, Benny Thompson. They had congressional testimony in DC. Jason
Jones was testifying Derek Maltz, and Benny Jones pretty much
said Benny Thompson, I'm sorry, I think that's I'm pretty
sure that's his name. But he said this was a
waste of his time, and he called it a Maga stunt.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Really, that's a punch in my face.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
That's a punch in every one of us family members
with dead kids. I don't care if they have five
hundred hearings until they start acting on these hearings and
passing bills like get out of my face. Americans are dying.
The cartels have operational control of that border. Everyone with
(25:13):
eyes can see and ears to hear can see what's
going on. The cartels are in this country. There was
just an MS illegal immigrant thirty minutes from my house
that killed a teenage girl. He was an illegal immigrant
from Guatemala. MS thirteen member and Aberdeen, Maryland.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
You can google it. She's dead. They're all over our country.
I mean, why are they allowed to be here?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Look at the daycare center right in the Bronx, New York,
two fridays ago.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
To have somebody this is to have somebody call out
another political party or a part of a political party
and say this is some kind of a stunt, like
you said you lost your son during the Trump administration.
This is a problem for the country. It's not a
problem for one party. It's not a problem for certain people.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yes, and I'm going to state this when Rebecca Kissling
this past year, she testified in Congress too on fentanaw
I forget what the actual.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
The name of the whatever was called. Don't mind me,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
But when she lost her two sons, And it was
like the following day and she was talking about secure
the border. Yes, we want the border secure. That's how
the crap is getting into our country. So yes, we
want secure borders. And Joe Biden was asked about it
and he kind of chuckled and went her boys died
(26:39):
under the Trump administration. Well, what does it matter. You
are the sitting president. It shouldn't matter if a child
died under.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Trump or Obama.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
And mind you, you were the VP under the Obama
administration when this crisis started exploding and they did nothing
the Obama administration.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I think that's the point of saying that it's not political.
It's happening under It doesn't matter if you're a Republican
or a Democrat. It's coming into this country and the
only people that can stop it are the people that
are elected. Those are the people that can make the
choices of what they do with tariff's in China, what
they do with trade in China, what they do with
the cartels on the border, how they work with Mexico.
(27:22):
All of these things are things that we hear in
these debates. We hear some of these questions asked. But
I would say to those of you who are listening,
this can hit you at any time. You are not safe.
You are never safe from drugs coming into this country,
no matter how old your kids are, your family members are.
It's always out there and it is coming. That's the
scary thing is they're looking for you. They want you
(27:45):
to be involved in this lifestyle, in these in this
you know, get you addicted to drugs that they're trying
to track you down no matter who you are, And
you have to listen to these answers. You have to
ask your politicians and I and I would say to
people in their own state, ask if you see your congressman,
if you're donating to a congressman or a senator, say hey,
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I want to know what you're going to do about FENTNA.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I want to know it's so what tell us before
I let you go?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Tell us about your organization and tell folks how they
can help.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
So lost Voice of Fentanyl. We really focus on supply.
We don't focus on the demand side. So we're focused
on China, the Mexican cartels, the southern border, and drug
dealers here in America like and drug traffickers like. We
don't want drug dealers getting away with murder. Our kids
pay the ultimate price. They're six feet under and they
(28:40):
literally get away with murder. So we support the Drug
Induced Thomicide Foundation. We focus on supply. We're on Facebook,
We're on Twitter. Our biggest discussion group is on Facebook.
We have a YouTube channel. You can also visit our
website at LVOF dot.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Org and donate. We need money.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Make sure you support them.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And also, if you are someone who's experienced this thing,
you need people to talk to. It sounds a good
great place to go and find other people who have
gone through this themselves. Thank you, Thank you so much
for being here with me today, April Babcock.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Oh, thank you so much, and thank you all for
joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode
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