June 2, 2023 • 31 mins
Nan Hayworth was the first female MD to serve a full term as Member of Congress. She has been fighting for Conservative principles and freedom basically her entire adult life. Nan joins Tudor to discuss a number of topics that include defending children from the transgender movement, Big Business Wokeness, and the lunatics on "The View." The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday, Wednesday, & Friday. For more information visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the
Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Drivers and Buck
Sexton podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon, and
I'm so glad you're here today with someone that I
have known for a few years now, one of my
favorite people to just chat with. And just before we
started recording, we were having an awesome conversation, so I
know that this conversation is going to be great too.
This is former New York Congresswoman Nan Hayworth, also a
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medical doctor, so she's got a lot more knowledge and
information than me. So we think of her as a
professional in many ways. So we're in good hands today.
She is from New York, so I do want to
start in New York because there's a lot going on.
But first I want to say welcome, Welcome Congresswoman Hayworth.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Thank you so much, Tutor. It is my privilege. You're
one of my favorite people to have as a host.
And by the way, I grew up in northwest Indiana,
so not far from Michigan at all.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's so you know a little bit about the Midwest,
then you know Midwest nice, but you also but now
you're in New York, which is an interesting contrast because certainly,
going from the Midwest to New York, I see you
sometimes when we're in New York together, and New York
City has changed a lot in the past few years.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It has not for the better, and much of it
is attribute Some of it's attributable to COVID, There's no question.
It's all attributable to the predominance of Democrat politicians and
politics in our state, and the Criminal Reform Law of
twenty nineteen is the lingering source of a great deal
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of disruption and continuing problems.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I want to ask you a little bit about some
of this because I think that we've been we've been
talking about woke a lot, right, So we talk about
all the things woke that are happening, and I'm starting
to think that's too nice of a term, and it
kind of excuses a lot of the hatred that comes
out of this, because we've seen a lot of hatred
of white people, white men especially. We just had Jane
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Fond to come out and say white men should be
put in jail for climate change. We've seen a lot
of hatred toward Christians, And just most recently you had
the City University of New York there was a commencement
speech that had well what's been called as anti Israel
hate speech.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
And then they also and it was.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Right, I mean, and condemning the NYPD, calling them fascists.
This is like, we're going to the next level. I mean,
That's why I don't like calling this woke. This is
becoming very dangerous.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's yes, I agree with you, it's poisonous cultural Marxism.
I will offer this tutor. I think much. In fact,
all of the depredations we see emerging from the academy
in this country originate because taxpayers are being attached to
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pay generously for these abuses. We have an education government
complex almost exclusively, although there are notable exceptions, including Michigan
Zone Hillsdale College, which refuses to participate in any government
funding programs scholarships, loans, or otherwise. And they are a
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shining light of the American founding values that are universal
and canon should be chairished by all, and have engendered
the prosperity that the education government complex abuses today. What
you see these kinds of this kind of invective that
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we heard from this commencement speaker condemning white supremacy and
the law is abused in this country to oppress all minorities.
And yes, she had a wholesay she's obviously Muslim, she
had on a headscarf, but yes, to condemn our ally
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in the Middle East Israel. This invective was made possible
because these people live in an ecosystem. And that's the
problem with the Left. They never understand the ecosystem in
which they can exist. This country is able to harbor
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them and their rhetoric and their protests and their dysfunction
precisely because we have had a nation that has relied fundamentally,
if imperfectly, on the principles of yes, hard work, showing up,
being productive, competing, striving for excellence, all of those values
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that are now condemned as white supremacists, which is an
incredible insult to the black folks I know personally who
embody the best of those values. But the education government
complex exists for two reasons. One is to indoctrinate the
next generation of Marxist and the other, crucially, is to
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serve as a conduit the extortion division for the Democrat Party.
They prime money out of taxpayer's pockets and sluice those
campaign contributions and votes directly to the Democrat Party and
their politicians. It is an absolute disgrace, and the best
thing we could do for this country is to defund
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and dismantle that education government complex, make all education private.
And I say that as the product of great public
schools in Montana in the nineteen sixties and seventies. My
dad went to public schools in tairo, Ohio. My husband
went to public schools in New Jersey and Texas. My
kids went to New York. They had many fine teachers.
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I had amazing teachers. I'm very grateful for it. But
it should all be private at this point because this
is the wellspring of that poisonous hatred, and they're cranking
out all these graduates going into policy, going into now
of course business, going into education, of course.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Starting it's starting really young because you have I mean
exactly what you're saying, This money that we're putting into
big education, and that goes starts in some cases in preschool.
Now that money that's going in is also paying the
dues of the teachers' unions, and the teachers' unions are.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Becoming more and more and more powerful.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And this is something I mean, just today, I've been
talking about this because my kids were in public ad
until the pandemic. I moved them to a private school.
My oldest will be graduating from eighth grade today, and
it's very emotional for me.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I've been like a rec all day.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I know that's so silly, but it's still it is
it is, and I have seen how she's grown. And
I was telling the folks here in my office today.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
We went in this morning and they.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Had a breakfast for them for graduation day, and then
they had what they called an award ceremony, and everybody's like, oh,
did every kid get an award?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Every kid did?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
They got a folder with their award in it, and
they weren't called out for what their award was. It
was on roll and things that they had earned. But
what the award ceremony really was was the teacher standing
up and telling them, these are the gifts that we've
seen that you have over the last several years that
you've been here. And I just cannot tell you the
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value I see in these private educ educations and private
educators that pour into your child in that way, and
I'm not saying that that doesn't happen in public.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Ed was This for us is very values based.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
For our family, this is a Christian school. I feel
very blessed to have them learning their faith while they're
learning their history and their math and their English. And
I think that's something that we as Republicans, we want
to come in and enact policy, and in several states
we've been successful with choice policy. I think the conversation
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also has to be out there that you have to,
as a parent, be incredibly involved.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
In your child's education.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And if you think that's missing, research other schools, and
if you think you can't get into that school but
it reflects your values, find out what programs they have
because you probably can figure it out well.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I think that's great advice. Tutor. I agree wholeheartedly, and
I do think that as a nation we should be
and I welcome state by state, yea federalism, but state
by state the school choice. You know, the money follows
the student, not the school. That is a powerful means
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of ensuring that institutions will compete on the basis of quality,
and that means involved parents recognizing what that quality should
should be and what it should look like, but institutions
competing to do the best they can for our children.
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Families have the fundamental you are so right toutor parents
have the fundamental responsibility. There's no question. I do think
that we as a society have a collective responsibility, not ownership,
but a collective responsibility to make sure that we're fostering
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the development of the best individual citizens we can have, because,
as the Framers and Founders brilliantly noted, this country will
only work John Adam in particular, this country will only
work if it is comprised of moral actors, of individuals
who understand their relationship to God what it should properly
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be in terms of obligations to their communities, to others,
to themselves, to their families, to this country. And that
will not happen in public schools of today, sadly, for
many reasons. And that's why that choice is so important.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. Some of the things that we
see coming out of public schools today. I mean, obviously
we're seeing we started talking about woke, but we are
seeing a lot of this stuff come into the schools.
This is you know, Pride Month starts in June. A
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lot of schools are ending in June, and so that's
that's just like, that's how they're that's the note they're
ending on.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And there's a lot of pushing.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
We saw the department at US Department of Ed on
the first day of Pride come out there with a
post saying, you know, we're welcoming this, this is an
exciting thing. And as far as I'm concerned, we're talking
about your sexual identity, which I don't feel that that
has a place in certainly in elementary school, but really
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I don't want somebody talking to my middle schooler about that.
And I think you're figuring out who you are in
high school. So I really don't see this as a
school issue whatsoever. But we see communities that it seems
as though the social contagion of transgenderism is infecting entire communities.
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And I say that, and I'll have people say, oh,
you don't believe that people can be transgender. I don't
believe that five girls that are friends become transgender altogether.
And I know that there have been studies. I think
it was Boston University that did a study showing that
this is a social contagion. I mean, i'milar to anarexia
or bolimia, which is something we saw when I was
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in college. We had whole communities of girls that would
become anorexic at the same time.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Why are we not allowed to say that?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Why? Indeed, and to your point, tutor, I observed today
that a paper was just withdrawn or rejected or submitted
for further review anyway you know, has been pulled, and
the paper dealt with from a scientific journal, and the
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paper deals with rapid on set gender dysphoria r og D.
Just what you're talking about. That phenomenon seems particularly prevalent
among females, female adolescents, that they all of a sudden
decide as a group that they are not in the
right body. This is it's such a it's such an
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important it's a vital issue on so many levels. Clearly,
there are individuals, it is a very tiny number of
human beings who feel profoundly that their body is not
the right body, and that you know, they they the
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sex that they're born with. It's not a matter of
being assigned. You could call it observed sex. I'm a doctor.
You know, it is clear when an infinite is born
almost always, there are there are outlying cases for reasons
that are well known. They have to do with certain
abnormalities of ordinary bodily function. But you know, we're observed
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to be male or females. I'm mayor of the doctor
arbitrarily saying, well, you know, this is a little boy,
this little girl. Everybody and anybody with common sense knows that.
And the fact that it's hard even to say that,
not among Republicans but among Democrats. Katangi Brown Jackson could
not define a woman.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's like what and when you have a gender review,
there are only two colors that we're choosing from.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Well, yes, so an adult. And by the way, you know,
the definition of adulthood probably is much closer mentally and
psychologically to being twenty five. You know, it's not eighteen.
By the way, eighteen is an artifact of the Vietnam
War era because the argument was if you can get
drafted at eighteen, then you ought to be able to vote.
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You can argue the legitimacy of the draft. By the way,
I completely get that. But the army is an authoritarian
hierarchy or the military is an authoritarian hierarchy. You put
eighteen year olds into that, their lives are completely regimented
and regulated. That does not mean they have the discernment
to have the franchise.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I think we're just something people don't understand though, And
so go into that a little bit, because you're talking
about brain development, and bains develop at different points. But
we know for sure that consequence and all that those
are the last things to develop fully understanding.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yes, perspective, self control and if you want to know,
I learned this on the Financial Services Committee when I
was in the House. If you want to know who's
got the skinny on you know, real life risk, ask
an insurance company, because that's their livelihood, that's their survival,
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that's their bread and butter. Auto insurers will not ensure
a driver until they're or at least rental companies. I'm
pretty sure a lot of auto insurres either. But you
can't rent a car until you're twenty five years old?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Why right?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Exactly because they won't you know, your your auto your
rental company. Insurers won't won't ensure you if you're renting
to under twenty five years old, because that really is
the cutoff. So my my strongly held view as a doctor,
I'm an ophamologist. I am not a you know, a
gender specialist. But my strongly held view is that because
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I know the kind of harm that we're capable of
doing as doctors, you know, there we can do unnecessary
procedures we should not be. I didn't, but you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
But there's also, I think a temptation, just like in
any business, there is a temptation to go a little
bit to the next like try to bring in the
next book, right, And we've heard about this.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Is happening in medicine, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I mean we've heard about people having cavities filled when
there was no cavity, all of these different things.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
So why is this not a big deal? Why are
there not more.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Doctors standing up and saying, yeah, this is incredibly lucrative.
I mean, to cut off healthy body parts, that's a
serious surgery.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I've had a double misseectomy. I know that it was.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Extraordinarily expensive, and between me and the insurance company a
lot of money was exchanged.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
So why is why are people in the medical.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Industry afraid to stand up and go oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, this.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Is not the femal harm you know to because the
political pressures are enormous. And also most of the house
of medicine in this era is on the left, and
I see it at my own alma mater, corn Now
it's wild Cornell medicine. But anybody willing to do a
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life altering, irreversible intervention chemical or surgical on a human
being under the age of twenty five before they have
full neurobiological maturity, personally, I think that is malpractice and
I think criminal penalties should apply. It's interesting because a
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lot of cases regrets.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
A lot of these lawmakers are looking at bills up
to eighteen and I think that they are doing this
without probably the advice of professional because we have all
we all have this ingrained in our head that once
you're eighteen years exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And it's it's a big mistake, that's right. And it's
because we were drafting people into Vietnam at age eighteen
and the folks said, we've got to be able to
vote at age eighteen. The dumbest thing this country ever
did was let eighteen year olds have the vote. Sorry,
you know, and not ready.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I think that the you know people it's such a
compelling argument from the left to say these people want
to they want to commit suicide.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
You're taking this away.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I know that it's terrible.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yes, there is a lot to be said for just
growing up, and there are there are things, no matter what,
that you just can't do until you're a certain age.
And I don't know how we frame that in a
way that people understand that what we're doing is the
loving part. We are loving people enough to say when
you're ready, when you're ready.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Right, And I think I think the elements are this
number one one, we say, look, once you are an adult,
you live your life the way you choose if you
were you know, if your body has X y cells,
you know, male cells, but you want to live looking
like a female, that's up to you. Now we have
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to have a separate conversation, of course about women's spaces
and sports. And I think this is politically where Republicans
gain a certain community affiliation that might not otherwise be there.
But but before the age of twenty five, you know,
we as certainly as practitioners, have to protect the vulnerable.
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And and that's you know, we have to recognize that
these folks need you know, they don't need judgment, you know,
that's that's an element of it. We're not judging, but
we are offering compassion and care, you know. And what
we're saying is I understand and appreciate that you are distressed,
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you don't feel right. Most of these people is I'm
sure you know tutor are somewhere on the emotional disorder spectrum.
A lot of them are on the autism or Asperger spectrum.
They don't feel you know, and folks on that spectrum
have a lot of trouble placing themselves in a community.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's right, I think there is there are There are
folks that have a feeling, a lack of fitting in,
feeling and so and the message from some folks in
the medical community is that this can manipulate those people.
Our percentage of truly transgender people is not as high
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as what we're seeing coming into clinics, but it's also
pushed by social media and all these other things.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
And now we have this madness.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Of we're changing the boxes of menstrual products, and I
mean they're even coming out and saying this is a
bigger financial burden for trans people. How is a menstrual
product a bigger financial burden for one group over another.
Like we're all people that are going out and buying
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these products are buying them at the same cost. Whether
you're buying this for yourself or your daughter or you know,
whatever this is, they cost the same. And I think
it's also disappointing to see these companies cave and say,
we're going to make this look less like it's for women.
We've got to get rid of this female symbol. We've
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got to get rid of the color pink. I mean,
the next thing, you know, I'm going to have to
search for it in the spaghetti aisle because we.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Don't even want it in women's products. I mean, give
me a break.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It's just yes, the left exists to disrupt and that
they have embraced this transgender theme movement in part because
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they feel it just simply disrupts American society. And whether
or not you know it's it could be subliminal for
some of them, but they are They are succeeding because
of the complicit nature of American enterprise at this point,
and we're seeing it in all fronts. So social media,
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as you pointed out, Tutor Jonathan Height has done a
lot of great work about this with with colleagues and
wrote an essay a couple of months ago, published an essay.
Really statistically, you can see that the figures for mental
distress mental dysfunction skyrocketed with the advent of smartphone use
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among kids.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
We see students or young young women more so than
young men, who are affected by social media. They see
friends out there, not out with the friends. There's something
wrong with me, there's an internalization. We're seeing young female
suicide and suicide attempts that are increasing.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
What is the answer for that?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Because I think we've I think this so often we
look for a legislative answer to these things, like a
quick fix. I mean it's just like when you have
a kid that's suffering, what's the pill that I can
give them?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
You know?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
But totally, what is the legislation that I can do
that can just cut this off?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But it's a society, it's a culture issue.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
It Yeah, I agree with you, Tutor, You're right, You're right,
And once we lose the culture, we're in trouble. I
think I think we are in trouble.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Why are Democrats winning?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I mean, what are we doing that is not what
is your perspective in New York because obviously I have
mine in Michigan.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
But you have the same thing where.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Everybody thought, oh, we're going to end up with the
governorship here and then it didn't happen. So what are
the Democrats doing that are winning over hearts? Because I
believe it's hearts. I don't think you're just getting votes.
I mean I think that there is there are Shenana
Shenanigan's going on, but they're they're moving hearts and they're
very serious.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Absolutely, and look, Republicans did come close. You know, Democrats
make the argument that they are more compassionate and they
care more about personal liberty superficially. Uh, some folks might
agree with them, because you know, Democrats want to take
lots of money from rich people and send it to
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people who are needy. And isn't that compassionate? Well, you know,
not when you think it through, when the coercive power
of government is involved. But unfortunately, you know, you know,
any any can vote, even if they really don't know
how our government works. You know, anybody can run for office,
even though they don't know how our government works, how
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it's supposed to work. We don't. We don't teach civics anymore.
We don't teach math properly, we don't, you know. I mean,
all of these problems are interrelated. The most immediate answer
for teenagers, for kids is for them not to have smartphones,
for them to have flip phones that you know, they
can get calls and they can make texts and that's
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and take pictures maybe, but that's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And you would think that there would be a huge
market for that that yes, would.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Have parents have to make that decision, not the government.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I mean, but you could even you can even see
I mean companies like Apple, they could easily make a
device that doesn't do any of the other things right,
but the market is out there, and then you'd have
people saying why I want.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
That to be available.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
We're in an interesting conundrum right now, and I think
the Republican Party has some soul searching to do on
how to reach people and how to message, but how
to get that message out? I mean, I think we're
messaging or just not reaching people. And I mean we
were talking about the presidential battle before we got on here,
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and that in and of itself is boy, it's such
a it's such a fight right now. We see that
on social media. And I don't think that those open
battles and the tearing down of one another is going
to do well with the eighteen to twenty nine year
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olds because that's a group that I mean, they've been
told their whole life there's nothing worse than a bully.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Right, although they see bullying all the time and they
participate in bullying, and again right.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, well yes, as long as it's their type of bullying.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Right, you know, it's Democrats doing the bullying, you know,
because what the left will say is, you know that
we're the tolerance ones, but they're completely intolerant in the
name of tolerance. They're completely intolerant of what they perceive
to be and what historically, in some ways is, I mean,
the dominant culture in this country was white and Christian,
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you know, or Judeo Christian. So yeah, if you want
to look at you know, what was what it has been.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I mean, I think about just the other day on
The View, you have Sonny from the View coming out
and saying that white women are following their husbands and
what they're doing voting. They need to preserve the patriarchy.
And I'm like, what are you talking about? And I
think about the days of the view when it was
really the viewpoint of all the different women, you know,
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when Barbara Walters was on there and giving them stern looks. No, no,
pull it back, you know, there is no point back.
Now this has become a propaganda arm of the Democrat Party,
and the fact that no one condemns that she says this,
No one says, well, wait a minute. These women have
minds of their own. But they can paint conservative women
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as Handmaid's Tale or whatever it was that I kept
hearing when I was running and.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yes, the Handmaid's Tale. No no, well okay, so yes,
did you and I grow up in a country that
had more white citizens and still does than those of
other races? Yes, more Christians, I mean, certainly in my ear,
I arguably that's changed an awful lot. But that doesn't
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mean number one, that they're inherently bad. They haven't been
inherently bad, not at all. So that's number one, you know.
But number two is that in order to try to
reverse you can't reverse the past. You can certainly change
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what we do now and for the future, but in
order to try to make up for past sins, we
have created protected classes of citizens. So Sunny because I
guess I don't know. I don't know what exactly her
ethnic background is, but I think she's red ass black.
Because she's a black woman. You can't say anything that's
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sunny Houstin. She will interpret it as racist and sexist. Right,
So you know, she's in a protected category now. And
if you don't want to get into trouble, right, you
tiptoe around the protected category. So we can't have a
real debate with Sonny as I mean people do. But
you know what I'm saying, you can't have a real
debate with Sonny Houstin because then you'll be rejected from
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the halls of you know, white thinking people.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
That's that's exactly right, and I think that is the
That's the fight that we keep having is just it's
interesting you talked about girls' sports a little bit.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
We didn't get there.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
But the fight I think that we keep having is
just to keep having our voice out there and say,
you know, these are our values. We're not actually we're
not going to bend to you. We're not going to
say that we're ashamed of what our values are. There
are They've worked for a long time, and I think
that people, no matter what faith you are in this country,
you can be proud of your faith.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
You can speak your faith. No matter what political party
you are a part of.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
You can be proud of your political party, and you
can speak for that, you can speak the values to that.
That's something that I think that we've seen being pushed
further and further. But I love that you are out
there every day and I see you on TV all
the time. I think that's amazing because as a woman
who did serve the country and has been in the
medical field, also in Congress, those are two combinations that
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I think are our places we really need voices. So
I commend you for being out there every day and
continuing to talk. And I'm glad you joined us today.
So Nan Haymar, thank you so much for being with us.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Thank you, Tutor, absolutely privilege.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
A joy for me as well, and thank you all
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon, and
I'm so glad you're here today with someone that I
have known for a few years now, one of my
favorite people to just chat with. And just before we
started recording, we were having an awesome conversation, so I
know that this conversation is going to be great too.
This is former New York Congresswoman Nan Hayworth, also a
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medical doctor, so she's got a lot more knowledge and
information than me. So we think of her as a
professional in many ways. So we're in good hands today.
She is from New York, so I do want to
start in New York because there's a lot going on.
But first I want to say welcome, Welcome Congresswoman Hayworth.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Thank you so much, Tutor. It is my privilege. You're
one of my favorite people to have as a host.
And by the way, I grew up in northwest Indiana,
so not far from Michigan at all.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's so you know a little bit about the Midwest,
then you know Midwest nice, but you also but now
you're in New York, which is an interesting contrast because certainly,
going from the Midwest to New York, I see you
sometimes when we're in New York together, and New York
City has changed a lot in the past few years.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It has not for the better, and much of it
is attribute Some of it's attributable to COVID, There's no question.
It's all attributable to the predominance of Democrat politicians and
politics in our state, and the Criminal Reform Law of
twenty nineteen is the lingering source of a great deal
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of disruption and continuing problems.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I want to ask you a little bit about some
of this because I think that we've been we've been
talking about woke a lot, right, So we talk about
all the things woke that are happening, and I'm starting
to think that's too nice of a term, and it
kind of excuses a lot of the hatred that comes
out of this, because we've seen a lot of hatred
of white people, white men especially. We just had Jane
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Fond to come out and say white men should be
put in jail for climate change. We've seen a lot
of hatred toward Christians, And just most recently you had
the City University of New York there was a commencement
speech that had well what's been called as anti Israel
hate speech.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
And then they also and it was.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Right, I mean, and condemning the NYPD, calling them fascists.
This is like, we're going to the next level. I mean,
That's why I don't like calling this woke. This is
becoming very dangerous.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's yes, I agree with you, it's poisonous cultural Marxism.
I will offer this tutor. I think much. In fact,
all of the depredations we see emerging from the academy
in this country originate because taxpayers are being attached to
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pay generously for these abuses. We have an education government
complex almost exclusively, although there are notable exceptions, including Michigan
Zone Hillsdale College, which refuses to participate in any government
funding programs scholarships, loans, or otherwise. And they are a
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shining light of the American founding values that are universal
and canon should be chairished by all, and have engendered
the prosperity that the education government complex abuses today. What
you see these kinds of this kind of invective that
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we heard from this commencement speaker condemning white supremacy and
the law is abused in this country to oppress all minorities.
And yes, she had a wholesay she's obviously Muslim, she
had on a headscarf, but yes, to condemn our ally
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in the Middle East Israel. This invective was made possible
because these people live in an ecosystem. And that's the
problem with the Left. They never understand the ecosystem in
which they can exist. This country is able to harbor
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them and their rhetoric and their protests and their dysfunction
precisely because we have had a nation that has relied fundamentally,
if imperfectly, on the principles of yes, hard work, showing up,
being productive, competing, striving for excellence, all of those values
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that are now condemned as white supremacists, which is an
incredible insult to the black folks I know personally who
embody the best of those values. But the education government
complex exists for two reasons. One is to indoctrinate the
next generation of Marxist and the other, crucially, is to
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serve as a conduit the extortion division for the Democrat Party.
They prime money out of taxpayer's pockets and sluice those
campaign contributions and votes directly to the Democrat Party and
their politicians. It is an absolute disgrace, and the best
thing we could do for this country is to defund
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and dismantle that education government complex, make all education private.
And I say that as the product of great public
schools in Montana in the nineteen sixties and seventies. My
dad went to public schools in tairo, Ohio. My husband
went to public schools in New Jersey and Texas. My
kids went to New York. They had many fine teachers.
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I had amazing teachers. I'm very grateful for it. But
it should all be private at this point because this
is the wellspring of that poisonous hatred, and they're cranking
out all these graduates going into policy, going into now
of course business, going into education, of course.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Starting it's starting really young because you have I mean
exactly what you're saying, This money that we're putting into
big education, and that goes starts in some cases in preschool.
Now that money that's going in is also paying the
dues of the teachers' unions, and the teachers' unions are.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Becoming more and more and more powerful.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And this is something I mean, just today, I've been
talking about this because my kids were in public ad
until the pandemic. I moved them to a private school.
My oldest will be graduating from eighth grade today, and
it's very emotional for me.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I've been like a rec all day.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I know that's so silly, but it's still it is
it is, and I have seen how she's grown. And
I was telling the folks here in my office today.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
We went in this morning and they.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Had a breakfast for them for graduation day, and then
they had what they called an award ceremony, and everybody's like, oh,
did every kid get an award?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Every kid did?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
They got a folder with their award in it, and
they weren't called out for what their award was. It
was on roll and things that they had earned. But
what the award ceremony really was was the teacher standing
up and telling them, these are the gifts that we've
seen that you have over the last several years that
you've been here. And I just cannot tell you the
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value I see in these private educ educations and private
educators that pour into your child in that way, and
I'm not saying that that doesn't happen in public.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Ed was This for us is very values based.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
For our family, this is a Christian school. I feel
very blessed to have them learning their faith while they're
learning their history and their math and their English. And
I think that's something that we as Republicans, we want
to come in and enact policy, and in several states
we've been successful with choice policy. I think the conversation
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also has to be out there that you have to,
as a parent, be incredibly involved.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
In your child's education.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And if you think that's missing, research other schools, and
if you think you can't get into that school but
it reflects your values, find out what programs they have
because you probably can figure it out well.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I think that's great advice. Tutor. I agree wholeheartedly, and
I do think that as a nation we should be
and I welcome state by state, yea federalism, but state
by state the school choice. You know, the money follows
the student, not the school. That is a powerful means
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of ensuring that institutions will compete on the basis of quality,
and that means involved parents recognizing what that quality should
should be and what it should look like, but institutions
competing to do the best they can for our children.
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Families have the fundamental you are so right toutor parents
have the fundamental responsibility. There's no question. I do think
that we as a society have a collective responsibility, not ownership,
but a collective responsibility to make sure that we're fostering
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the development of the best individual citizens we can have, because,
as the Framers and Founders brilliantly noted, this country will
only work John Adam in particular, this country will only
work if it is comprised of moral actors, of individuals
who understand their relationship to God what it should properly
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be in terms of obligations to their communities, to others,
to themselves, to their families, to this country. And that
will not happen in public schools of today, sadly, for
many reasons. And that's why that choice is so important.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. Some of the things that we
see coming out of public schools today. I mean, obviously
we're seeing we started talking about woke, but we are
seeing a lot of this stuff come into the schools.
This is you know, Pride Month starts in June. A
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lot of schools are ending in June, and so that's
that's just like, that's how they're that's the note they're
ending on.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And there's a lot of pushing.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
We saw the department at US Department of Ed on
the first day of Pride come out there with a
post saying, you know, we're welcoming this, this is an
exciting thing. And as far as I'm concerned, we're talking
about your sexual identity, which I don't feel that that
has a place in certainly in elementary school, but really
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I don't want somebody talking to my middle schooler about that.
And I think you're figuring out who you are in
high school. So I really don't see this as a
school issue whatsoever. But we see communities that it seems
as though the social contagion of transgenderism is infecting entire communities.
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And I say that, and I'll have people say, oh,
you don't believe that people can be transgender. I don't
believe that five girls that are friends become transgender altogether.
And I know that there have been studies. I think
it was Boston University that did a study showing that
this is a social contagion. I mean, i'milar to anarexia
or bolimia, which is something we saw when I was
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in college. We had whole communities of girls that would
become anorexic at the same time.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Why are we not allowed to say that?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Why? Indeed, and to your point, tutor, I observed today
that a paper was just withdrawn or rejected or submitted
for further review anyway you know, has been pulled, and
the paper dealt with from a scientific journal, and the
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paper deals with rapid on set gender dysphoria r og D.
Just what you're talking about. That phenomenon seems particularly prevalent
among females, female adolescents, that they all of a sudden
decide as a group that they are not in the
right body. This is it's such a it's such an
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important it's a vital issue on so many levels. Clearly,
there are individuals, it is a very tiny number of
human beings who feel profoundly that their body is not
the right body, and that you know, they they the
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sex that they're born with. It's not a matter of
being assigned. You could call it observed sex. I'm a doctor.
You know, it is clear when an infinite is born
almost always, there are there are outlying cases for reasons
that are well known. They have to do with certain
abnormalities of ordinary bodily function. But you know, we're observed
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to be male or females. I'm mayor of the doctor
arbitrarily saying, well, you know, this is a little boy,
this little girl. Everybody and anybody with common sense knows that.
And the fact that it's hard even to say that,
not among Republicans but among Democrats. Katangi Brown Jackson could
not define a woman.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's like what and when you have a gender review,
there are only two colors that we're choosing from.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Well, yes, so an adult. And by the way, you know,
the definition of adulthood probably is much closer mentally and
psychologically to being twenty five. You know, it's not eighteen.
By the way, eighteen is an artifact of the Vietnam
War era because the argument was if you can get
drafted at eighteen, then you ought to be able to vote.
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You can argue the legitimacy of the draft. By the way,
I completely get that. But the army is an authoritarian
hierarchy or the military is an authoritarian hierarchy. You put
eighteen year olds into that, their lives are completely regimented
and regulated. That does not mean they have the discernment
to have the franchise.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I think we're just something people don't understand though, And
so go into that a little bit, because you're talking
about brain development, and bains develop at different points. But
we know for sure that consequence and all that those
are the last things to develop fully understanding.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yes, perspective, self control and if you want to know,
I learned this on the Financial Services Committee when I
was in the House. If you want to know who's
got the skinny on you know, real life risk, ask
an insurance company, because that's their livelihood, that's their survival,
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that's their bread and butter. Auto insurers will not ensure
a driver until they're or at least rental companies. I'm
pretty sure a lot of auto insurres either. But you
can't rent a car until you're twenty five years old?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Why right?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Exactly because they won't you know, your your auto your
rental company. Insurers won't won't ensure you if you're renting
to under twenty five years old, because that really is
the cutoff. So my my strongly held view as a doctor,
I'm an ophamologist. I am not a you know, a
gender specialist. But my strongly held view is that because
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I know the kind of harm that we're capable of
doing as doctors, you know, there we can do unnecessary
procedures we should not be. I didn't, but you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
But there's also, I think a temptation, just like in
any business, there is a temptation to go a little
bit to the next like try to bring in the
next book, right, And we've heard about this.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Is happening in medicine, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I mean we've heard about people having cavities filled when
there was no cavity, all of these different things.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
So why is this not a big deal? Why are
there not more.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Doctors standing up and saying, yeah, this is incredibly lucrative.
I mean, to cut off healthy body parts, that's a
serious surgery.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I've had a double misseectomy. I know that it was.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Extraordinarily expensive, and between me and the insurance company a
lot of money was exchanged.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
So why is why are people in the medical.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Industry afraid to stand up and go oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, this.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Is not the femal harm you know to because the
political pressures are enormous. And also most of the house
of medicine in this era is on the left, and
I see it at my own alma mater, corn Now
it's wild Cornell medicine. But anybody willing to do a
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life altering, irreversible intervention chemical or surgical on a human
being under the age of twenty five before they have
full neurobiological maturity, personally, I think that is malpractice and
I think criminal penalties should apply. It's interesting because a
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lot of cases regrets.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
A lot of these lawmakers are looking at bills up
to eighteen and I think that they are doing this
without probably the advice of professional because we have all
we all have this ingrained in our head that once
you're eighteen years exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And it's it's a big mistake, that's right. And it's
because we were drafting people into Vietnam at age eighteen
and the folks said, we've got to be able to
vote at age eighteen. The dumbest thing this country ever
did was let eighteen year olds have the vote. Sorry,
you know, and not ready.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I think that the you know people it's such a
compelling argument from the left to say these people want
to they want to commit suicide.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
You're taking this away.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I know that it's terrible.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yes, there is a lot to be said for just
growing up, and there are there are things, no matter what,
that you just can't do until you're a certain age.
And I don't know how we frame that in a
way that people understand that what we're doing is the
loving part. We are loving people enough to say when
you're ready, when you're ready.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Right, And I think I think the elements are this
number one one, we say, look, once you are an adult,
you live your life the way you choose if you
were you know, if your body has X y cells,
you know, male cells, but you want to live looking
like a female, that's up to you. Now we have
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to have a separate conversation, of course about women's spaces
and sports. And I think this is politically where Republicans
gain a certain community affiliation that might not otherwise be there.
But but before the age of twenty five, you know,
we as certainly as practitioners, have to protect the vulnerable.
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And and that's you know, we have to recognize that
these folks need you know, they don't need judgment, you know,
that's that's an element of it. We're not judging, but
we are offering compassion and care, you know. And what
we're saying is I understand and appreciate that you are distressed,
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you don't feel right. Most of these people is I'm
sure you know tutor are somewhere on the emotional disorder spectrum.
A lot of them are on the autism or Asperger spectrum.
They don't feel you know, and folks on that spectrum
have a lot of trouble placing themselves in a community.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's right, I think there is there are There are
folks that have a feeling, a lack of fitting in,
feeling and so and the message from some folks in
the medical community is that this can manipulate those people.
Our percentage of truly transgender people is not as high
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as what we're seeing coming into clinics, but it's also
pushed by social media and all these other things.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
And now we have this madness.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Of we're changing the boxes of menstrual products, and I
mean they're even coming out and saying this is a
bigger financial burden for trans people. How is a menstrual
product a bigger financial burden for one group over another.
Like we're all people that are going out and buying
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these products are buying them at the same cost. Whether
you're buying this for yourself or your daughter or you know,
whatever this is, they cost the same. And I think
it's also disappointing to see these companies cave and say,
we're going to make this look less like it's for women.
We've got to get rid of this female symbol. We've
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got to get rid of the color pink. I mean,
the next thing, you know, I'm going to have to
search for it in the spaghetti aisle because we.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Don't even want it in women's products. I mean, give
me a break.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It's just yes, the left exists to disrupt and that
they have embraced this transgender theme movement in part because
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they feel it just simply disrupts American society. And whether
or not you know it's it could be subliminal for
some of them, but they are They are succeeding because
of the complicit nature of American enterprise at this point,
and we're seeing it in all fronts. So social media,
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as you pointed out, Tutor Jonathan Height has done a
lot of great work about this with with colleagues and
wrote an essay a couple of months ago, published an essay.
Really statistically, you can see that the figures for mental
distress mental dysfunction skyrocketed with the advent of smartphone use
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among kids.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
We see students or young young women more so than
young men, who are affected by social media. They see
friends out there, not out with the friends. There's something
wrong with me, there's an internalization. We're seeing young female
suicide and suicide attempts that are increasing.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
What is the answer for that?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Because I think we've I think this so often we
look for a legislative answer to these things, like a
quick fix. I mean it's just like when you have
a kid that's suffering, what's the pill that I can
give them?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
You know?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
But totally, what is the legislation that I can do
that can just cut this off?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But it's a society, it's a culture issue.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
It Yeah, I agree with you, Tutor, You're right, You're right,
And once we lose the culture, we're in trouble. I
think I think we are in trouble.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Why are Democrats winning?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I mean, what are we doing that is not what
is your perspective in New York because obviously I have
mine in Michigan.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
But you have the same thing where.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Everybody thought, oh, we're going to end up with the
governorship here and then it didn't happen. So what are
the Democrats doing that are winning over hearts? Because I
believe it's hearts. I don't think you're just getting votes.
I mean I think that there is there are Shenana
Shenanigan's going on, but they're they're moving hearts and they're
very serious.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Absolutely, and look, Republicans did come close. You know, Democrats
make the argument that they are more compassionate and they
care more about personal liberty superficially. Uh, some folks might
agree with them, because you know, Democrats want to take
lots of money from rich people and send it to
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people who are needy. And isn't that compassionate? Well, you know,
not when you think it through, when the coercive power
of government is involved. But unfortunately, you know, you know,
any any can vote, even if they really don't know
how our government works. You know, anybody can run for office,
even though they don't know how our government works, how
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it's supposed to work. We don't. We don't teach civics anymore.
We don't teach math properly, we don't, you know. I mean,
all of these problems are interrelated. The most immediate answer
for teenagers, for kids is for them not to have smartphones,
for them to have flip phones that you know, they
can get calls and they can make texts and that's
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and take pictures maybe, but that's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And you would think that there would be a huge
market for that that yes, would.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Have parents have to make that decision, not the government.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I mean, but you could even you can even see
I mean companies like Apple, they could easily make a
device that doesn't do any of the other things right,
but the market is out there, and then you'd have
people saying why I want.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
That to be available.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
We're in an interesting conundrum right now, and I think
the Republican Party has some soul searching to do on
how to reach people and how to message, but how
to get that message out? I mean, I think we're
messaging or just not reaching people. And I mean we
were talking about the presidential battle before we got on here,
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and that in and of itself is boy, it's such
a it's such a fight right now. We see that
on social media. And I don't think that those open
battles and the tearing down of one another is going
to do well with the eighteen to twenty nine year
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olds because that's a group that I mean, they've been
told their whole life there's nothing worse than a bully.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Right, although they see bullying all the time and they
participate in bullying, and again right.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, well yes, as long as it's their type of bullying.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Right, you know, it's Democrats doing the bullying, you know,
because what the left will say is, you know that
we're the tolerance ones, but they're completely intolerant in the
name of tolerance. They're completely intolerant of what they perceive
to be and what historically, in some ways is, I mean,
the dominant culture in this country was white and Christian,
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you know, or Judeo Christian. So yeah, if you want
to look at you know, what was what it has been.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I mean, I think about just the other day on
The View, you have Sonny from the View coming out
and saying that white women are following their husbands and
what they're doing voting. They need to preserve the patriarchy.
And I'm like, what are you talking about? And I
think about the days of the view when it was
really the viewpoint of all the different women, you know,
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when Barbara Walters was on there and giving them stern looks. No, no,
pull it back, you know, there is no point back.
Now this has become a propaganda arm of the Democrat Party,
and the fact that no one condemns that she says this,
No one says, well, wait a minute. These women have
minds of their own. But they can paint conservative women
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as Handmaid's Tale or whatever it was that I kept
hearing when I was running and.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yes, the Handmaid's Tale. No no, well okay, so yes,
did you and I grow up in a country that
had more white citizens and still does than those of
other races? Yes, more Christians, I mean, certainly in my ear,
I arguably that's changed an awful lot. But that doesn't
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mean number one, that they're inherently bad. They haven't been
inherently bad, not at all. So that's number one, you know.
But number two is that in order to try to
reverse you can't reverse the past. You can certainly change
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what we do now and for the future, but in
order to try to make up for past sins, we
have created protected classes of citizens. So Sunny because I
guess I don't know. I don't know what exactly her
ethnic background is, but I think she's red ass black.
Because she's a black woman. You can't say anything that's
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sunny Houstin. She will interpret it as racist and sexist. Right,
So you know, she's in a protected category now. And
if you don't want to get into trouble, right, you
tiptoe around the protected category. So we can't have a
real debate with Sonny as I mean people do. But
you know what I'm saying, you can't have a real
debate with Sonny Houstin because then you'll be rejected from
(29:33):
the halls of you know, white thinking people.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
That's that's exactly right, and I think that is the
That's the fight that we keep having is just it's
interesting you talked about girls' sports a little bit.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
We didn't get there.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
But the fight I think that we keep having is
just to keep having our voice out there and say,
you know, these are our values. We're not actually we're
not going to bend to you. We're not going to
say that we're ashamed of what our values are. There
are They've worked for a long time, and I think
that people, no matter what faith you are in this country,
you can be proud of your faith.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
You can speak your faith. No matter what political party
you are a part of.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
You can be proud of your political party, and you
can speak for that, you can speak the values to that.
That's something that I think that we've seen being pushed
further and further. But I love that you are out
there every day and I see you on TV all
the time. I think that's amazing because as a woman
who did serve the country and has been in the
medical field, also in Congress, those are two combinations that
(30:34):
I think are our places we really need voices. So
I commend you for being out there every day and
continuing to talk. And I'm glad you joined us today.
So Nan Haymar, thank you so much for being with us.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Thank you, Tutor, absolutely privilege.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
A joy for me as well, and thank you all
for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast for this
episode and others. As you know, go to Tutor disonpodcast
dot com. You can subscribe right there tell your friends
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Share it, tell your friends about it, have a great day,
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