May 26, 2023 • 32 mins
Charlie LeDuff is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who has worked for the New York Times, Detroit News and Fox 2 in Detroit. He also hosts a weekly podcast,"No BS News Hour with Charlie LeDuff." Charlie joins Tudor for a deep dive into Michigan Politics. Hear about the lies and spin you're being fed every day! The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. New episodes debut every Monday, Wednesday, & Friday. For more information visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast in the Clay
and Book Podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello, and welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon,
and I'm so glad you're here with me for this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
You probably, though, will ask.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Why would she have someone on her podcast who has
compared her to an ogre? Because I have been compared
to Fiona on Shrek by my guest today, and I've
also had a little bit of a struggle in my campaign.
Then I connect back to Charlie Leduff, but he is
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somewhat of a genius because he's a Pulitzer Prize winning
author and the host of the NOBS News Hour. And
so I welcome Charlie Leduff to talk about what's going
on in Michigan because he is probably also the guy
that knows the most about corruption in the state of Michigan,
and some have said that the state of Michigan is
the most corrupt state in the nation. So Charlie, welcome
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to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I mean Tutor, I mean Fiona, I mean Tutor.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That was not even the worst thing that you did
to me dr in campaign, but that so talk about Whitmer, because.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Whitmer had this.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Massive lockdown, right, she came out and told us every
day that we couldn't go anywhere, but she specifically said
we couldn't go to Florida. So this is during COVID
we couldn't go to Florida. She I mean, she went
on and on about how you can't bring back anything
from Florida and Florida was so dangerous. And then she
went to Florida and she took a private jet. So
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walk us through this story, because you just recently wrote
about this, and it sounds like they weren't even too
happy about it that you just recently wrote about it.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Well, we all kuldn't of know it. It's during the lockdowns.
What was that March of twenty one. She's telling everybody,
you know, we get the latest crazy variant from the
UK with the latest scare tactic, don't go to Florida.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, she went to Florida.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
And the only way to say it is her office
shook down prominent businessmen for the use of their private jet,
so she secretly went down there. She didn't tell anybody
when she got caught. She's pretending like her dad's on
death's door. I think he's skipping around the beach today
as we speak. But once she got caught, once I
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caught her, she tried to say that her political charity
is going to pay for it. Well, private businessmen cannot
accept money for their airplane because they're not licensed with
the Federal Aviation Administration.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
So being caught.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
There, they did the shuck and jive, and by the
end of it they said, Okay, that's right, She's going
to pay for her seat eight hundred bucks and her
campaign is going to pay the twenty some thousand dollars
for the plant. Just one problem, the businessmen still cannot
catch that check because they're not licensed. So and did
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there I don't know why the media like was so gullible,
like they can't accept money. So when I was writing
about Dana Nessel staying in a penthouse in turks and
Kcos and you know, cruising around on a ten thousand
dollars an hour catamaran having champagne at the Infinity Pool,
whatever happened to Whitmer. Did those guys cash the check
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or did we give both? Was that just a pr stunt?
Because in the end, this state is so corrupt that
if you're not a lobbyist.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You can give.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Money, trips jets to elected officials, and elected officials can
accept them as long as you're.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Not directly you accept a gift like that, you can.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
As long as it's as long as you're elected and
not you know, appointed or member of the bureaucracy, and
if you're not a lobbyist or doing work for a lobbyist.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So let's say I have a gas station.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Instead of having my lawyer, I mean, my lobbyist use
my jet.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I let her use my jet. It's all legal.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I think that this is interesting because people outside of
the state of Michigan don't realize. And I was talking
to some folks just last night about this. I say,
you know, you can't foya the governor in the state
of Michigan. You can't for foya the legislature in the
state of Michigan. And they were like, what are you
talking about. I mean, couldn't this just be constantly going
on that they're receiving gifts that they this is there's
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a constant back and forth on the Republican and the
Democrat side.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
There's no doubt we let's you know, throw out Jason Wentworth,
lead Chatfiel we could, you know, we can go on
and on.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It's a dirt pile we live.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah. Field is an interesting one because obviously that came out,
but that came out during the campaign. He was the
so for folks outside of the state, he was the
Speaker of the House in Michigan, he's a Republican. Comes
out that he has had all of these dirty deeds
and corruption and expensive gifts flown all over the country,
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gone to strip.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Clubs, all of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
But it's really barely been covered in the media even still,
why is this.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Because they suck and I'll be honest with you, like
chaff fields long gone. So why weren't the press covering
this while he had the reigns of power? The press
corps and Lancing lives in Lancing. Therefore you should know
what they're doing it now you know where they have
their state luncheons.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Here's the thing about women in the airplane.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Though she could absolutely accept that airplane right free, no problem.
So why didn't she Why engage in the subterfuseion, the
shell game with.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
The pe with the airplane? Why because she knew it
was a bad look.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Because we in America are upset were rightfully angry that
it's for sale, and the last one in line with
the Super Bowl is us.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
That's what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
We're in the middle of a pandemic. We've just been
told we can't leave the state. Her immediate aids and
close co workers in the administration have gone on a
trip to Alabama. She's on her way to Florida. She
comes back from Florida, she's already back. We don't know
she's back at this point. We don't know she went.
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And she's telling people not to go to Florida. She
took a private jet because she said exactly what you said.
She said that her father was deathly ill. And she
even came out and she said the Republicans would attack
me if I didn't go and say I didn't have
any family values. The week later, the week after she
comes back from Florida, her father is walking through a
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shopping mall in Lancing. Totally fine. This is not someone
who is deathly ill. The whole thing was a complete
scam and lie. But you're right, Why go to the
extent of going out there and lying about it? But
this is what they do. You talk about Dana nessils
so again for those of you outside of.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
The day to do again, let me throw this in
before I forget.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
So when I wrote this not long ago, why does
the governor's people go ape? They want a correction, they
want they want a retraction. I said, for what, all
I'm asking is this, if you put it in your
campaign filings that you paid for the airplane?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Was the check? Answer?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
The question was the check cash? Because she and I
both know that answer, they're hiding. I suspect whimers in
line for something.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Maybe I guarantee, Well, she's running what she's like the
co chair of the campaign for Biden right now? You know,
the story that I heard was that her people were
actually looking at property in DC because they really believed
that she would be vice president. And so I think
that she's like, you owe me something.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
It seems a little strange that this at this time.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mean, the story was just written for a local
Detroit paper.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
They come, they see your story, they go so nuts,
they go after you and tell you to retract it.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
She's got to be out there for something.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And they're at the same time when they're attacking the
Supreme Court and they're going after everybody for gifts and
you've got Slotkin running and she's attacking everybody for gifts
while she's living. She had just gotten out of a
donor's apartment that she was living in.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Where does she live? What's your address? Madam? Enough with this,
Enough with the politics.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
It's really not hard to do the people's business, but
they can't help it. People never actually worked for anything.
All rich kids entitled to it.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I did what people don't know that. Whitmer was a
very She had a very nice upbringing with her father,
who was what CEO of Blue Cross boushield yep.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Somehow, when her mother's sick and on her death beend
has cancer, Gretcha Wimer wants to tell us she's struggling
to get health care for her mother. Her mother was
married to the president of the Michigan Bar Association. Her
ex husband was head of the biggest medical insurance company
in the state.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And please enough.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next. On
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Joe Biden tells lies all the time.
Gretchen Whitmer comes up with you. These are stories to
tug the heartstrings. Joe Biden was just talking to troops
saying my son died in a rock. I mean, we
know that he he died. He connects that to his service,
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but that's not where he died. These are lies to
tuget the heartstrings of the people, and they have no
shame in continuing to lie regularly. So I want people
to understand when you talk about Dana Nessel, she is
the Attorney General of Michigan right now. And what she
did was she went on a vacation. This was just
in March, went on a vacation to Turks and Caicos.
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She went with a local attorney friend. This was fromin
in like eighty six hundred dollars a night for these rooms.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Eight six hundred twenty nine dollars and sixty five cents
a night to be exact.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
How do you know that?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Because I called the concierge asked, So.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
She stays at how long? Five days? Five days?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
She's there and the attorney's office pays for it. The
office she gets this big gift. I mean, this is
a significant gift, right and.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Now you know Nessling the attorney put out a pretty
limp statement affirming that she was there, but then Nessil
pays her own way. Well, since you pretty much outed
yourself to the public, were entitled to see the cashed check.
How much did you pay? How much was the champagne?
How much was the catamaran? You see how thiss goes.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
That you know all about because the other attorney posted pictures.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Oh yeah, like just breathlessly.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
So look at me with Obama, look at me with
Debbie Stavina, look at me with the governor, look at
me in the infinity pool.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Look at me in the catamarans. It's nuts.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
It's important to say here that this prominent attorney has
business that intersects with the state. For instance, they were
part of a consortium of lawyers representing the second wave
of the Larry Nasser victims.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
The first wave got paid, the second wave.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Came forward and there was a small, tiny, little pot
of money for them. They all wanted an investigation as
to how this came to be, where you know, the
second wave of people would not be made whole. One
of the co signers of that letter asking for the investigation,
which was carbon copied to Dana Nessel, was this woman's
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law firm. Now could be coincidence, I don't know what
it is. Two weeks after the Turks and Kkos trip,
Nessel puts out a decree to the Board of Regions
of Michigan State University saying, I'm asking you again give
me all the documents related to Larry Nasser.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Do you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I'm not saying there's any impropriety, but it sure stinks.
And you leave us to guests, and a really good
public servant would just, you know, maybe go to Key West.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So she has what we would say.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I mean, it's tens This vacation costs tens of thousands
of dollars. Sure she spent this week with these folks.
They clearly ended up. This attorney's firm clearly has a
lot of money if they're able to spend this kind
of money. And that's just what it would have been
spent on her. So all together, gosh, this is a
very expensive vacation. Because two couples went, there was a
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lot of drinking and and and they were not aimed
to post this. But Gretchen Wimer ran on Sunshine Laws
because of exactly how he started this conversation.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Because you cannot fail the governor.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
You cannot you cannot get information about the legislature. This
is the this is the most protected administration and legislature
in the country when it comes to being able to
do things behind the backs of the citizens, which constantly
does happen. So why does Whitmer not come out and
say anything about Nestle's trip. Why has she not implemented
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her sunshine law? I mean she has everybody now, she
has the Democrats in there. They can put pass any
law they want. Where's their Sunshine Bill?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
It's the good old boys, right, It's all lip service,
That's all I can say. And again if Wittmer, she's
getting away with it because the media has given her
a pass because the media is placid. And you know
there the media is not liberal and they're not progressive.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
They're Democrats. There's a difference, right.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I don't know any liberal or progressive who puts a
dove on their protest sign would allow children to be
locked down in order to lock away the elderly who
die in silence. And we were lying about the care
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they were being given, and we were excusing the nursing
home lobby from any culpability they might have later. So
if you're gonna run nationally, madam, it's it's gonna come home,
But is it?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You're going to mean what you're saying is exactly right.
It never comes home. For the Democrats. They are complete
state run media on the Democrat side, They're completely protected.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
They're never going to expose this.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Let's talk about the nursing homes, because Janistine is beside
herself right now because she is trying to get people
to investigate Cuomo.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And now you've got you've got.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Republicans coming out and saying, you know, maybe we should
give them another chance here and there. I mean, this
is outrageous when you see these people who have blood
on their hands and no one is holding them accountable.
You've tried to hold her account Whitmer accountable for what
she did with nursing homes, but it doesn't go anywhere
in the media.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So explain what they're not telling us.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Well, just what I enumerated before. I mean, you didn't
count the nursing homes. You let them, you let them
report for themselves. You're also by your pen. They were
also supposed to report if it was like senior living,
senior apartments, a dull foster care homes for the age.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I mean, we know this that over half.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
The people in this country that died from COVID, we're
seventy five years or older.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
That's just a fact.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
And we know even by this undercount in the nursing
homes and assisted living because in places like Michigan with
one of the highest death tallies, we didn't even count
it that at least forty percent of all victims lived
in one of these facilities, so we never had a
true accounting. I caught her, I sued her, there was
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an audit, it was proven, it was worse than Cuomo,
and it was just allowed to wither on the vine.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
It was worse than CUOMO. That I think was what
people don't really understand. But it wasn't just that there
were twenty one nursing homes in the state of Michigan
that were chosen to be the recipients of COVID patients.
One of those was so far down on the medical
and health checklist that they were at a zero. They
were being monitored because they were so irresponsible in their care.
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The other ones, I think that there were eight of
them that were in the one or two. There were
only a few that were getting a five point rating
on cleanliness and care. And yet these organizations, these nursing homes,
one of them brought in almost a million dollars because
they were getting a massive amount of money to take
COVID patients that were then infecting other people and killing them.
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So they were raking in money and just flipping patients
because they were losing them as fast as they could
bring sick people in.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And this isn't the speculation. These are now facts.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
The reports are in, the reporters are doing the post mortem.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Now these are facts.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Half of those nursing home hubs, as you're saying, failed
government inspections before the pandemic, and during the pandemic, half
of them failed inspection infection protocols. Half of them failed
they had shower curtains, they had no gloves, no mask,
staff coming in and out, commingling people inside. So when
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Whitmer wants to rewrite history and say I never instituted
my policy that nursing homes had to accept infected people
into the same building as healthy people, that's just a
flat out lie, because we can start with these twenty
one homes that did exactly that. Again, we're going to
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the next cycle. It's going to be a mean one.
And she has an escaped and they're starting to do
this vetting.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Oh you take money.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Oh, you took the COVID response dollars and instead of
putting him into the courthouses and the prosecutor's offices to
get these murderers off the street that you put out
on tether, you decided to give it to Chinese battery companies.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
This is the kind of stuff eventually it comes home.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I agree, but I mean it's not you talked about.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Jason Wentworth, former Speaker of the House in Michigan Republican,
gets HHS to pay twenty five million and it's supposed
to be twenty five million for a project that nobody
vets out, ends up paying out ten million before they
they figure out this project is some sort of there's
red flags around this project. So explain how does this happen?
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How does so much taxpayer money go out.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
To go back to that guy?
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It's twenty five million and that goes to a former
aid of yours. Oh, and then the AID buys the
l for this new health complex. Who does he buy
it from from the representative that took Wentworth's place in
the legislature.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Who's who's in charge of building this thing out.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Well, one guy's experiences he's a former funeral worker and
the other guy had been debarred one day before for
financial fraud, so we know exactly how to ham it
was a no big deal. Wentworth also sponsored legislation for
a whitmer crony to have a twenty million dollar company
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to entice foreign foreign business to come into Michigan. Except
that company isn't even incorporated until ten days after the
company got the money and then went we're saying I
didn't sign it.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
No, you're all the same to me.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I mean the Republicans and the Democrats are just shaking
hands and doing these deals.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Well, I'd like to say this, there's one party in
America and it's big business. And their subsidiaries are the
Democrats and the Republicans, who differ on a few minor things,
but they're the same.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. Why China, Why bring China in?
When you see these companies, I mean, you've got Goshen,
that's one We've talked about Goshen before. Connection to the CCP.
They have it right on their website, having a CCP
operation in their company.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
But let's talk about cattle.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Because Governor Youngkins said, no way, don't you dare bring
that to Virginia. We're not going to have a Chinese company.
And Whitmer goes out and tells the world, this isn't
a Chinese company.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
This is Ford. It is not Ford.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
We are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on the
Chinese right now, because let's face it, there is no
business in Michigan, and nobody is chomping at the bit
to do business with Gretchen Whitmer.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
And just remember, twenty years ago China was a badquarter.
Bill Clinton, George Bush, Sander Levin, we can go on.
They all push for normalization to trade with China. Twenty
years later, a quarter century later, twenty five years later,
they're my enemy.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
We created them.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It was a huge mistake what happened, and I believe
that in some cases it was naive in how we
created China. But now we know there is no question
about what China's plan is. China has one hundred year plan.
We have an eight year plan in the United States.
China is like eighty five years into their one hundred
year world domination plan, and we are inviting them into
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the state that has the greatest natural resource in the
United States, which is what.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
They would love to either have or destroy. Why would
we do this.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
China's a backwater. If ever, I'm not worried about China.
They're micro chips, stink, it's polluted. They've got a lot
of issues, you know, with minorities. Their money is fake.
The only thing China has that we don't are reserves.
We're broke and they're not. Is another thing. All the
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mistakes we may Biden voted for, he pushed for a
rock Look at the reckless spending, Look at the reckless
monetary policy, look at NAFTO.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
We created the guard all of this.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
And that is whenever something big is going on, that's
when you need to pay attention to big, boring stuff.
And usually it's bipartisan, and it's never good for us
in the long run.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It is bipartisan right now.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But listen, I have been sitting with some Republican governors
for the past few days and I had one of
them say to me today, Man, I went out to
California and I just started grabbing up the businesses and
taking them to my state, and I'm going out to
all these blue states and I'm just pulling raking in business.
And let me tell you, this is someone who has
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been the recipient of some Michigan businesses as well.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
This is someone who is running his state in a.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Way that he goes after businesses and says, we will
do what it takes to make sure you have a
great workforce, to make sure you have great community, that
you live in safe communities, that we are there for
you as a state to bring your business here. And
people are moving there, they are thriving, their taxes are low.
It's a great state to live in. Whitmer goes to
California to raise money and says, look, keep running your
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business in California. Just give me all your money, and
I'm gonna I'm going to advertise abortion as a way
to have an economic recovery in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
What the heck.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
That's where we differ.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I'm not if I was governor, I'm not looking to
create Cayman Islands for big business. You come to my state,
you pay a reasonable rate. You're not a welfare patient
like GM is a big welfare patient, as is Ford,
as is the Lantist. They've taken well over well over
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one hundred billion dollars in just subsidies since two thousand
and eight across this country. That's not patriotic. That's nothing
you can build a state economy on. Because if you
actually look what's going on in Wayne County, Detroit specifically
with all these huge giveaways while murders through the roof.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
No, you're now seeing we're not offering you're low energy costs.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
We're seeing what you're now seeing the longtime businesses in
Detroit Marathon right, MGM, they want tax rebates. Now.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
If everybody into the future is getting them, why shouldn't
I have them? You see how this starts to corrode
like the common welfare.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I'm at the corner of six mile and Lodge. It's blood, it's.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Crumbling, there's paper and garbage everywhere.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
My god, I mean we started before we got on.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
We started talking today and I asked you, why do
you have abandon on your face? You just got hit
over the weekend. I mean, this is like just random violence.
This is this is the problem. We cannot live in
a society that is not safe. But that's what I'm saying.
Other governors are simply offering low energy costs, low taxes,
and safe communities.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
That's true. I mean all that is true. I agree
with that. Now, how we see that's a place to start.
We all agree with that.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
We've got a problem on the West Side because Walmart's
our biggest employer and everybody's getting these low paying jobs.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
And I said, no, you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I went to the Chamber of Commerce in this town
and I said, you know what, we can bring other
factories to our empty buildings. And they said, please don't.
We have no workers. Don't bring any more factories. They're good,
high paying jobs, management jobs, shop floor jobs, open. Nobody
is working in these jobs. We don't have people to
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work in these factories. And I said, they're asking me
not to bring people to this town. And this guy
says to me, you know, I was at a Chamber
of Commerce meeting in Flint. He said that shocks me
because now I'm thinking back. And he said they had
three businesses come to Flint and say we're willing to
invest in Flint, and turns out GM blocked them from
coming because they said they'd take their employers. So we're
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paying GM to come into this state of Michigan to stay.
We're begging them to stay, but we're paying them. It
makes no sense. And then they're chasing off other businesses.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
How is that? How does that make sense? It doesn't,
And how does that help the people Flint?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
This is a it's a very corrupt mess. The media
is not talking about this. When we push the media
to talk about this, they don't want to talk about it.
Why are they protecting these I mean really protecting both
sides in government when you see the types of things
that are happening, the projects that are going out, projects
being handed to Republicans that help with campaigns, projects being
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handed to buddies of legislator legislators, whether it's on the
Democrat or the Republican side. Big money gifts going to
the top three people in the state.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Why hide it?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Well, the media because they're cool kids at the table.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
They think they have a seat at the table, and
they really like the prestige of that.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
They don't realize I say that they're really a lap poodle.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
You're just a lab poodle and you're scratching between your
ears and that's not really a play setting for you.
That's a scrap that fell from the table. I don't
get it again. I'll say it again. You know, we
go back to the cliches of college, the do gooders,
you know, like Lynden Milrooge or whatever we're doing, or
you know, green peace and whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
You're not looking out for the people.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
I thought it was, like Hubert Humphrey said, the best
gauge of a society is how we treat our weakest
and fraylest and most infirm, our children and our elderly specifically.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
And look what happened during the pandemic to them.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
No one healthy kid died from COVID, lots of elderly
people did. We did nothing to stop the elderly people
from dying, and we destroyed the spirit of our kids.
Good thinger kids and resilient, you know what I mean.
But we did them a great disservice, and we knew
it when it was.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Kids are not Gamsillian as they pretended that kids would be.
I mean that this hurt our kids. And they don't
want to act like it hurt our kids. They don't
want to talk about the fact that it hurt our kids.
But it did hurt our kids. They are they are
protecting electeds. And I have to say, you know, running
for office, it was I was certainly not I didn't
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have fans in government.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I'll just say that I had.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I mean, I had support from a few elected officials,
and I was grateful for that. But there were people
on both sides that did not want me to join
this because I was the outsider. I was not involved
in any of this. I'd never been involved in any
of this. And if I ran an ad against Whitmer
and they, the media thought that it was unfair and anyway,
they came out and they just detacked it. But I
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do want to get to the ad that was so
harmful to me, and that was the ad that when
I came on your show and I talked about you
asked me, what about a fourteen year old? And I
said to you, that's the perfect example of why we
need parental consent because of predators. And they that was edited.
That was edited, And we went to the media and
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said this is edited. It didn't matter. They didn't care.
They were never going to come out and say, well,
this is a lie. Whitmer's running ads that are a lie.
They were never going to say that wasn't true. You
went to the DGA. You tried to get the ID
taken down because you were in the ad and you said,
it's deceptively edited.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So what do you I mean, what do you think
about that situation?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Well, let's slay that out for what it is. So
you were on our show. We posted it in its entirety. Well,
my editor took out because the part where you're like
about parental consent and the party took out. And you go,
that's a perfect example parrettal consent. And then two seconds
I go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no,
we're not going there answer the question. Yes, it was edited.
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Two they highlighted it. Three, they super highlighted it.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Four.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Once your people came to me and said we have
an issue with it, I go, we'll address it.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
We'll post the whole thing. We'll put that ten seconds
back in.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
No, nobody was interested in that.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
That's true, And I felt I got abused because I
don't accept little call money.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Whitmer's too cowardly to speak to me. You got to
vote for her. She can't speak to me. How's she
going to speak to putin?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
But they used it now having said that no matter
what was edited, I don't know how you are going
to get around the fact that you said a fourteen
year old should have to carry her uncle's rape baby.
That's basically your stance. So no matter how they edited it,
that's it. And I admired you for this. You stood
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by that.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
My stance is certainly not that we look at a
child and say, oh, yeah, this is an easy situation.
I mean, that's the thing. In an interview someone asks
you that question, I think that you can just answer that.
You know, you can just say, oh yeah, that's an
easy situation. And I actually just did a podcast that
came out on Wednesday about abortion because I think that
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this was I mean, I'm in the group of elected
or A and the group of candidates that is for
the first time running pro life. And I say I
was the first time running pro life because every other
candidate before that didn't matter, didn't matter. Rogi Wade was
in place you could say your life all you want
doesn't matter. So I'm the first one in the position
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where you're getting calls from the life people every day.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You said this wrong, go fix it. You stand for this.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
And look, I think that there are a lot of
mistakes that have been made in the culture war of life,
and I address this in great detail in my podcast
from Wednesday, talking about we really did have to go
through this, and you know, I hate to have been
that sacrificial lamb in this case, but it was a
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wake up call for a movement that is very important,
but a movement that has to be something beyond political,
because political is not the movement. Political is not the
space for it. It's got to be a ques That's.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
That's true, but that's what it was.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I'll tell your listeners this when I'm doing my program,
and I want you know, hey, somebody look at Dixon
ed the Stones to do it. Come on, elected officials.
I'll leave their names out of it. I don't know
why I am, but I will. From the left, I
want to know about this abortion legislation, for instance, is
their parental notification? It comes down to just trust me.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
On this right.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
But there were elected, prominent elected officials that were taking
their marching orders from plans parenthood. Who they would give
an interview to, who they would not when they would appear,
if they would give a statement.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
That's nuts.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Who are those people?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Tell you off the air. Maybe I'll be saved in
that one.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well, as you heard, that was Charlie Leduff.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Charlie is talking about corruption, all things elections, everything that
we expect Charlie to be focused on in the state
of Michigan every single day. He's out there reporting on
the road right now as we're talking to him, at
site of a robbery just a few nights ago. So
I appreciate him joining me. Thank you Charlie for being on,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello, and welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon,
and I'm so glad you're here with me for this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
You probably, though, will ask.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Why would she have someone on her podcast who has
compared her to an ogre? Because I have been compared
to Fiona on Shrek by my guest today, and I've
also had a little bit of a struggle in my campaign.
Then I connect back to Charlie Leduff, but he is
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somewhat of a genius because he's a Pulitzer Prize winning
author and the host of the NOBS News Hour. And
so I welcome Charlie Leduff to talk about what's going
on in Michigan because he is probably also the guy
that knows the most about corruption in the state of Michigan,
and some have said that the state of Michigan is
the most corrupt state in the nation. So Charlie, welcome
(00:58):
to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I mean Tutor, I mean Fiona, I mean Tutor.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That was not even the worst thing that you did
to me dr in campaign, but that so talk about Whitmer, because.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Whitmer had this.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Massive lockdown, right, she came out and told us every
day that we couldn't go anywhere, but she specifically said
we couldn't go to Florida. So this is during COVID
we couldn't go to Florida. She I mean, she went
on and on about how you can't bring back anything
from Florida and Florida was so dangerous. And then she
went to Florida and she took a private jet. So
(01:34):
walk us through this story, because you just recently wrote
about this, and it sounds like they weren't even too
happy about it that you just recently wrote about it.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Well, we all kuldn't of know it. It's during the lockdowns.
What was that March of twenty one. She's telling everybody,
you know, we get the latest crazy variant from the
UK with the latest scare tactic, don't go to Florida.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, she went to Florida.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
And the only way to say it is her office
shook down prominent businessmen for the use of their private jet,
so she secretly went down there. She didn't tell anybody
when she got caught. She's pretending like her dad's on
death's door. I think he's skipping around the beach today
as we speak. But once she got caught, once I
(02:18):
caught her, she tried to say that her political charity
is going to pay for it. Well, private businessmen cannot
accept money for their airplane because they're not licensed with
the Federal Aviation Administration.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
So being caught.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
There, they did the shuck and jive, and by the
end of it they said, Okay, that's right, She's going
to pay for her seat eight hundred bucks and her
campaign is going to pay the twenty some thousand dollars
for the plant. Just one problem, the businessmen still cannot
catch that check because they're not licensed. So and did
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there I don't know why the media like was so gullible,
like they can't accept money. So when I was writing
about Dana Nessel staying in a penthouse in turks and
Kcos and you know, cruising around on a ten thousand
dollars an hour catamaran having champagne at the Infinity Pool,
whatever happened to Whitmer. Did those guys cash the check
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or did we give both? Was that just a pr stunt?
Because in the end, this state is so corrupt that
if you're not a lobbyist.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You can give.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Money, trips jets to elected officials, and elected officials can
accept them as long as you're.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Not directly you accept a gift like that, you can.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
As long as it's as long as you're elected and
not you know, appointed or member of the bureaucracy, and
if you're not a lobbyist or doing work for a lobbyist.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So let's say I have a gas station.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Instead of having my lawyer, I mean, my lobbyist use
my jet.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I let her use my jet. It's all legal.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I think that this is interesting because people outside of
the state of Michigan don't realize. And I was talking
to some folks just last night about this. I say,
you know, you can't foya the governor in the state
of Michigan. You can't for foya the legislature in the
state of Michigan. And they were like, what are you
talking about. I mean, couldn't this just be constantly going
on that they're receiving gifts that they this is there's
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a constant back and forth on the Republican and the
Democrat side.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
There's no doubt we let's you know, throw out Jason Wentworth,
lead Chatfiel we could, you know, we can go on
and on.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It's a dirt pile we live.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah. Field is an interesting one because obviously that came out,
but that came out during the campaign. He was the
so for folks outside of the state, he was the
Speaker of the House in Michigan, he's a Republican. Comes
out that he has had all of these dirty deeds
and corruption and expensive gifts flown all over the country,
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gone to strip.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Clubs, all of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
But it's really barely been covered in the media even still,
why is this.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Because they suck and I'll be honest with you, like
chaff fields long gone. So why weren't the press covering
this while he had the reigns of power? The press
corps and Lancing lives in Lancing. Therefore you should know
what they're doing it now you know where they have
their state luncheons.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Here's the thing about women in the airplane.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Though she could absolutely accept that airplane right free, no problem.
So why didn't she Why engage in the subterfuseion, the
shell game with.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
The pe with the airplane? Why because she knew it
was a bad look.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Because we in America are upset were rightfully angry that
it's for sale, and the last one in line with
the Super Bowl is us.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
That's what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
We're in the middle of a pandemic. We've just been
told we can't leave the state. Her immediate aids and
close co workers in the administration have gone on a
trip to Alabama. She's on her way to Florida. She
comes back from Florida, she's already back. We don't know
she's back at this point. We don't know she went.
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And she's telling people not to go to Florida. She
took a private jet because she said exactly what you said.
She said that her father was deathly ill. And she
even came out and she said the Republicans would attack
me if I didn't go and say I didn't have
any family values. The week later, the week after she
comes back from Florida, her father is walking through a
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shopping mall in Lancing. Totally fine. This is not someone
who is deathly ill. The whole thing was a complete
scam and lie. But you're right, Why go to the
extent of going out there and lying about it? But
this is what they do. You talk about Dana nessils
so again for those of you outside of.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
The day to do again, let me throw this in
before I forget.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
So when I wrote this not long ago, why does
the governor's people go ape? They want a correction, they
want they want a retraction. I said, for what, all
I'm asking is this, if you put it in your
campaign filings that you paid for the airplane?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Was the check? Answer?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
The question was the check cash? Because she and I
both know that answer, they're hiding. I suspect whimers in
line for something.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Maybe I guarantee, Well, she's running what she's like the
co chair of the campaign for Biden right now? You know,
the story that I heard was that her people were
actually looking at property in DC because they really believed
that she would be vice president. And so I think
that she's like, you owe me something.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
It seems a little strange that this at this time.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mean, the story was just written for a local
Detroit paper.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
They come, they see your story, they go so nuts,
they go after you and tell you to retract it.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
She's got to be out there for something.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And they're at the same time when they're attacking the
Supreme Court and they're going after everybody for gifts and
you've got Slotkin running and she's attacking everybody for gifts
while she's living. She had just gotten out of a
donor's apartment that she was living in.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Where does she live? What's your address? Madam? Enough with this,
Enough with the politics.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
It's really not hard to do the people's business, but
they can't help it. People never actually worked for anything.
All rich kids entitled to it.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I did what people don't know that. Whitmer was a
very She had a very nice upbringing with her father,
who was what CEO of Blue Cross boushield yep.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Somehow, when her mother's sick and on her death beend
has cancer, Gretcha Wimer wants to tell us she's struggling
to get health care for her mother. Her mother was
married to the president of the Michigan Bar Association. Her
ex husband was head of the biggest medical insurance company
in the state.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And please enough.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next. On
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Joe Biden tells lies all the time.
Gretchen Whitmer comes up with you. These are stories to
tug the heartstrings. Joe Biden was just talking to troops
saying my son died in a rock. I mean, we
know that he he died. He connects that to his service,
(09:02):
but that's not where he died. These are lies to
tuget the heartstrings of the people, and they have no
shame in continuing to lie regularly. So I want people
to understand when you talk about Dana Nessel, she is
the Attorney General of Michigan right now. And what she
did was she went on a vacation. This was just
in March, went on a vacation to Turks and Caicos.
(09:24):
She went with a local attorney friend. This was fromin
in like eighty six hundred dollars a night for these rooms.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Eight six hundred twenty nine dollars and sixty five cents
a night to be exact.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
How do you know that?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Because I called the concierge asked, So.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
She stays at how long? Five days? Five days?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
She's there and the attorney's office pays for it. The
office she gets this big gift. I mean, this is
a significant gift, right and.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Now you know Nessling the attorney put out a pretty
limp statement affirming that she was there, but then Nessil
pays her own way. Well, since you pretty much outed
yourself to the public, were entitled to see the cashed check.
How much did you pay? How much was the champagne?
How much was the catamaran? You see how thiss goes.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
That you know all about because the other attorney posted pictures.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Oh yeah, like just breathlessly.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
So look at me with Obama, look at me with
Debbie Stavina, look at me with the governor, look at
me in the infinity pool.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Look at me in the catamarans. It's nuts.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
It's important to say here that this prominent attorney has
business that intersects with the state. For instance, they were
part of a consortium of lawyers representing the second wave
of the Larry Nasser victims.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
The first wave got paid, the second wave.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Came forward and there was a small, tiny, little pot
of money for them. They all wanted an investigation as
to how this came to be, where you know, the
second wave of people would not be made whole. One
of the co signers of that letter asking for the investigation,
which was carbon copied to Dana Nessel, was this woman's
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law firm. Now could be coincidence, I don't know what
it is. Two weeks after the Turks and Kkos trip,
Nessel puts out a decree to the Board of Regions
of Michigan State University saying, I'm asking you again give
me all the documents related to Larry Nasser.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Do you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I'm not saying there's any impropriety, but it sure stinks.
And you leave us to guests, and a really good
public servant would just, you know, maybe go to Key West.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So she has what we would say.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I mean, it's tens This vacation costs tens of thousands
of dollars. Sure she spent this week with these folks.
They clearly ended up. This attorney's firm clearly has a
lot of money if they're able to spend this kind
of money. And that's just what it would have been
spent on her. So all together, gosh, this is a
very expensive vacation. Because two couples went, there was a
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lot of drinking and and and they were not aimed
to post this. But Gretchen Wimer ran on Sunshine Laws
because of exactly how he started this conversation.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Because you cannot fail the governor.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
You cannot you cannot get information about the legislature. This
is the this is the most protected administration and legislature
in the country when it comes to being able to
do things behind the backs of the citizens, which constantly
does happen. So why does Whitmer not come out and
say anything about Nestle's trip. Why has she not implemented
(12:31):
her sunshine law? I mean she has everybody now, she
has the Democrats in there. They can put pass any
law they want. Where's their Sunshine Bill?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
It's the good old boys, right, It's all lip service,
That's all I can say. And again if Wittmer, she's
getting away with it because the media has given her
a pass because the media is placid. And you know
there the media is not liberal and they're not progressive.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
They're Democrats. There's a difference, right.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I don't know any liberal or progressive who puts a
dove on their protest sign would allow children to be
locked down in order to lock away the elderly who
die in silence. And we were lying about the care
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they were being given, and we were excusing the nursing
home lobby from any culpability they might have later. So
if you're gonna run nationally, madam, it's it's gonna come home,
But is it?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You're going to mean what you're saying is exactly right.
It never comes home. For the Democrats. They are complete
state run media on the Democrat side, They're completely protected.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
They're never going to expose this.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Let's talk about the nursing homes, because Janistine is beside
herself right now because she is trying to get people
to investigate Cuomo.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And now you've got you've got.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Republicans coming out and saying, you know, maybe we should
give them another chance here and there. I mean, this
is outrageous when you see these people who have blood
on their hands and no one is holding them accountable.
You've tried to hold her account Whitmer accountable for what
she did with nursing homes, but it doesn't go anywhere
in the media.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So explain what they're not telling us.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Well, just what I enumerated before. I mean, you didn't
count the nursing homes. You let them, you let them
report for themselves. You're also by your pen. They were
also supposed to report if it was like senior living,
senior apartments, a dull foster care homes for the age.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I mean, we know this that over half.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
The people in this country that died from COVID, we're
seventy five years or older.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
That's just a fact.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
And we know even by this undercount in the nursing
homes and assisted living because in places like Michigan with
one of the highest death tallies, we didn't even count
it that at least forty percent of all victims lived
in one of these facilities, so we never had a
true accounting. I caught her, I sued her, there was
(15:06):
an audit, it was proven, it was worse than Cuomo,
and it was just allowed to wither on the vine.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
It was worse than CUOMO. That I think was what
people don't really understand. But it wasn't just that there
were twenty one nursing homes in the state of Michigan
that were chosen to be the recipients of COVID patients.
One of those was so far down on the medical
and health checklist that they were at a zero. They
were being monitored because they were so irresponsible in their care.
(15:37):
The other ones, I think that there were eight of
them that were in the one or two. There were
only a few that were getting a five point rating
on cleanliness and care. And yet these organizations, these nursing homes,
one of them brought in almost a million dollars because
they were getting a massive amount of money to take
COVID patients that were then infecting other people and killing them.
(15:58):
So they were raking in money and just flipping patients
because they were losing them as fast as they could
bring sick people in.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And this isn't the speculation. These are now facts.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
The reports are in, the reporters are doing the post mortem.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Now these are facts.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Half of those nursing home hubs, as you're saying, failed
government inspections before the pandemic, and during the pandemic, half
of them failed inspection infection protocols. Half of them failed
they had shower curtains, they had no gloves, no mask,
staff coming in and out, commingling people inside. So when
(16:35):
Whitmer wants to rewrite history and say I never instituted
my policy that nursing homes had to accept infected people
into the same building as healthy people, that's just a
flat out lie, because we can start with these twenty
one homes that did exactly that. Again, we're going to
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the next cycle. It's going to be a mean one.
And she has an escaped and they're starting to do
this vetting.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Oh you take money.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Oh, you took the COVID response dollars and instead of
putting him into the courthouses and the prosecutor's offices to
get these murderers off the street that you put out
on tether, you decided to give it to Chinese battery companies.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
This is the kind of stuff eventually it comes home.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I agree, but I mean it's not you talked about.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Jason Wentworth, former Speaker of the House in Michigan Republican,
gets HHS to pay twenty five million and it's supposed
to be twenty five million for a project that nobody
vets out, ends up paying out ten million before they
they figure out this project is some sort of there's
red flags around this project. So explain how does this happen?
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How does so much taxpayer money go out.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
To go back to that guy?
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It's twenty five million and that goes to a former
aid of yours. Oh, and then the AID buys the
l for this new health complex. Who does he buy
it from from the representative that took Wentworth's place in
the legislature.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Who's who's in charge of building this thing out.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Well, one guy's experiences he's a former funeral worker and
the other guy had been debarred one day before for
financial fraud, so we know exactly how to ham it
was a no big deal. Wentworth also sponsored legislation for
a whitmer crony to have a twenty million dollar company
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to entice foreign foreign business to come into Michigan. Except
that company isn't even incorporated until ten days after the
company got the money and then went we're saying I
didn't sign it.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
No, you're all the same to me.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I mean the Republicans and the Democrats are just shaking
hands and doing these deals.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Well, I'd like to say this, there's one party in
America and it's big business. And their subsidiaries are the
Democrats and the Republicans, who differ on a few minor things,
but they're the same.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. Why China, Why bring China in?
When you see these companies, I mean, you've got Goshen,
that's one We've talked about Goshen before. Connection to the CCP.
They have it right on their website, having a CCP
operation in their company.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
But let's talk about cattle.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Because Governor Youngkins said, no way, don't you dare bring
that to Virginia. We're not going to have a Chinese company.
And Whitmer goes out and tells the world, this isn't
a Chinese company.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
This is Ford. It is not Ford.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
We are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on the
Chinese right now, because let's face it, there is no
business in Michigan, and nobody is chomping at the bit
to do business with Gretchen Whitmer.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
And just remember, twenty years ago China was a badquarter.
Bill Clinton, George Bush, Sander Levin, we can go on.
They all push for normalization to trade with China. Twenty
years later, a quarter century later, twenty five years later,
they're my enemy.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
We created them.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It was a huge mistake what happened, and I believe
that in some cases it was naive in how we
created China. But now we know there is no question
about what China's plan is. China has one hundred year plan.
We have an eight year plan in the United States.
China is like eighty five years into their one hundred
year world domination plan, and we are inviting them into
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the state that has the greatest natural resource in the
United States, which is what.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
They would love to either have or destroy. Why would
we do this.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
China's a backwater. If ever, I'm not worried about China.
They're micro chips, stink, it's polluted. They've got a lot
of issues, you know, with minorities. Their money is fake.
The only thing China has that we don't are reserves.
We're broke and they're not. Is another thing. All the
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mistakes we may Biden voted for, he pushed for a
rock Look at the reckless spending, Look at the reckless
monetary policy, look at NAFTO.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
We created the guard all of this.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
And that is whenever something big is going on, that's
when you need to pay attention to big, boring stuff.
And usually it's bipartisan, and it's never good for us
in the long run.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It is bipartisan right now.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But listen, I have been sitting with some Republican governors
for the past few days and I had one of
them say to me today, Man, I went out to
California and I just started grabbing up the businesses and
taking them to my state, and I'm going out to
all these blue states and I'm just pulling raking in business.
And let me tell you, this is someone who has
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been the recipient of some Michigan businesses as well.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
This is someone who is running his state in a.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Way that he goes after businesses and says, we will
do what it takes to make sure you have a
great workforce, to make sure you have great community, that
you live in safe communities, that we are there for
you as a state to bring your business here. And
people are moving there, they are thriving, their taxes are low.
It's a great state to live in. Whitmer goes to
California to raise money and says, look, keep running your
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business in California. Just give me all your money, and
I'm gonna I'm going to advertise abortion as a way
to have an economic recovery in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
What the heck.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
That's where we differ.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I'm not if I was governor, I'm not looking to
create Cayman Islands for big business. You come to my state,
you pay a reasonable rate. You're not a welfare patient
like GM is a big welfare patient, as is Ford,
as is the Lantist. They've taken well over well over
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one hundred billion dollars in just subsidies since two thousand
and eight across this country. That's not patriotic. That's nothing
you can build a state economy on. Because if you
actually look what's going on in Wayne County, Detroit specifically
with all these huge giveaways while murders through the roof.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
No, you're now seeing we're not offering you're low energy costs.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
We're seeing what you're now seeing the longtime businesses in
Detroit Marathon right, MGM, they want tax rebates. Now.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
If everybody into the future is getting them, why shouldn't
I have them? You see how this starts to corrode
like the common welfare.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I'm at the corner of six mile and Lodge. It's blood, it's.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Crumbling, there's paper and garbage everywhere.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
My god, I mean we started before we got on.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
We started talking today and I asked you, why do
you have abandon on your face? You just got hit
over the weekend. I mean, this is like just random violence.
This is this is the problem. We cannot live in
a society that is not safe. But that's what I'm saying.
Other governors are simply offering low energy costs, low taxes,
and safe communities.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
That's true. I mean all that is true. I agree
with that. Now, how we see that's a place to start.
We all agree with that.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
We've got a problem on the West Side because Walmart's
our biggest employer and everybody's getting these low paying jobs.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
And I said, no, you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I went to the Chamber of Commerce in this town
and I said, you know what, we can bring other
factories to our empty buildings. And they said, please don't.
We have no workers. Don't bring any more factories. They're good,
high paying jobs, management jobs, shop floor jobs, open. Nobody
is working in these jobs. We don't have people to
(24:35):
work in these factories. And I said, they're asking me
not to bring people to this town. And this guy
says to me, you know, I was at a Chamber
of Commerce meeting in Flint. He said that shocks me
because now I'm thinking back. And he said they had
three businesses come to Flint and say we're willing to
invest in Flint, and turns out GM blocked them from
coming because they said they'd take their employers. So we're
(24:58):
paying GM to come into this state of Michigan to stay.
We're begging them to stay, but we're paying them. It
makes no sense. And then they're chasing off other businesses.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
How is that? How does that make sense? It doesn't,
And how does that help the people Flint?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
This is a it's a very corrupt mess. The media
is not talking about this. When we push the media
to talk about this, they don't want to talk about it.
Why are they protecting these I mean really protecting both
sides in government when you see the types of things
that are happening, the projects that are going out, projects
being handed to Republicans that help with campaigns, projects being
(25:34):
handed to buddies of legislator legislators, whether it's on the
Democrat or the Republican side. Big money gifts going to
the top three people in the state.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Why hide it?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Well, the media because they're cool kids at the table.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
They think they have a seat at the table, and
they really like the prestige of that.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
They don't realize I say that they're really a lap poodle.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
You're just a lab poodle and you're scratching between your
ears and that's not really a play setting for you.
That's a scrap that fell from the table. I don't
get it again. I'll say it again. You know, we
go back to the cliches of college, the do gooders,
you know, like Lynden Milrooge or whatever we're doing, or
you know, green peace and whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
You're not looking out for the people.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
I thought it was, like Hubert Humphrey said, the best
gauge of a society is how we treat our weakest
and fraylest and most infirm, our children and our elderly specifically.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
And look what happened during the pandemic to them.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
No one healthy kid died from COVID, lots of elderly
people did. We did nothing to stop the elderly people
from dying, and we destroyed the spirit of our kids.
Good thinger kids and resilient, you know what I mean.
But we did them a great disservice, and we knew
it when it was.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Kids are not Gamsillian as they pretended that kids would be.
I mean that this hurt our kids. And they don't
want to act like it hurt our kids. They don't
want to talk about the fact that it hurt our kids.
But it did hurt our kids. They are they are
protecting electeds. And I have to say, you know, running
for office, it was I was certainly not I didn't
(27:11):
have fans in government.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I'll just say that I had.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I mean, I had support from a few elected officials,
and I was grateful for that. But there were people
on both sides that did not want me to join
this because I was the outsider. I was not involved
in any of this. I'd never been involved in any
of this. And if I ran an ad against Whitmer
and they, the media thought that it was unfair and anyway,
they came out and they just detacked it. But I
(27:35):
do want to get to the ad that was so
harmful to me, and that was the ad that when
I came on your show and I talked about you
asked me, what about a fourteen year old? And I
said to you, that's the perfect example of why we
need parental consent because of predators. And they that was edited.
That was edited, And we went to the media and
(27:56):
said this is edited. It didn't matter. They didn't care.
They were never going to come out and say, well,
this is a lie. Whitmer's running ads that are a lie.
They were never going to say that wasn't true. You
went to the DGA. You tried to get the ID
taken down because you were in the ad and you said,
it's deceptively edited.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So what do you I mean, what do you think
about that situation?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Well, let's slay that out for what it is. So
you were on our show. We posted it in its entirety. Well,
my editor took out because the part where you're like
about parental consent and the party took out. And you go,
that's a perfect example parrettal consent. And then two seconds
I go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no,
we're not going there answer the question. Yes, it was edited.
(28:38):
Two they highlighted it. Three, they super highlighted it.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Four.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Once your people came to me and said we have
an issue with it, I go, we'll address it.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
We'll post the whole thing. We'll put that ten seconds
back in.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
No, nobody was interested in that.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
That's true, And I felt I got abused because I
don't accept little call money.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Whitmer's too cowardly to speak to me. You got to
vote for her. She can't speak to me. How's she
going to speak to putin?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
But they used it now having said that no matter
what was edited, I don't know how you are going
to get around the fact that you said a fourteen
year old should have to carry her uncle's rape baby.
That's basically your stance. So no matter how they edited it,
that's it. And I admired you for this. You stood
(29:31):
by that.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
My stance is certainly not that we look at a
child and say, oh, yeah, this is an easy situation.
I mean, that's the thing. In an interview someone asks
you that question, I think that you can just answer that.
You know, you can just say, oh yeah, that's an
easy situation. And I actually just did a podcast that
came out on Wednesday about abortion because I think that
(29:54):
this was I mean, I'm in the group of elected
or A and the group of candidates that is for
the first time running pro life. And I say I
was the first time running pro life because every other
candidate before that didn't matter, didn't matter. Rogi Wade was
in place you could say your life all you want
doesn't matter. So I'm the first one in the position
(30:17):
where you're getting calls from the life people every day.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You said this wrong, go fix it. You stand for this.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
And look, I think that there are a lot of
mistakes that have been made in the culture war of life,
and I address this in great detail in my podcast
from Wednesday, talking about we really did have to go
through this, and you know, I hate to have been
that sacrificial lamb in this case, but it was a
(30:47):
wake up call for a movement that is very important,
but a movement that has to be something beyond political,
because political is not the movement. Political is not the
space for it. It's got to be a ques That's.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
That's true, but that's what it was.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I'll tell your listeners this when I'm doing my program,
and I want you know, hey, somebody look at Dixon
ed the Stones to do it. Come on, elected officials.
I'll leave their names out of it. I don't know
why I am, but I will. From the left, I
want to know about this abortion legislation, for instance, is
their parental notification? It comes down to just trust me.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
On this right.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
But there were elected, prominent elected officials that were taking
their marching orders from plans parenthood. Who they would give
an interview to, who they would not when they would appear,
if they would give a statement.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
That's nuts.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Who are those people?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Tell you off the air. Maybe I'll be saved in
that one.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well, as you heard, that was Charlie Leduff.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Charlie is talking about corruption, all things elections, everything that
we expect Charlie to be focused on in the state
of Michigan every single day. He's out there reporting on
the road right now as we're talking to him, at
site of a robbery just a few nights ago. So
I appreciate him joining me. Thank you Charlie for being on,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
(32:07):
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