November 19, 2022 • 36 mins
Republicans have to learn how to win rigged elections. Mitch McConnell must go-- Alaska itself is enough reason for that. C&B take your election analysis calls. Clay says, "I come from the world of sports and when there's a big game, afterward you open the phone lines and say, 'OK, go!'" Candidates who talked about 2020 and rigged elections lost. Republicans can't say this election was stolen from them, because the data shows they didn't do a good enough job of convincing voters. Economy wasn't as big an issue as predicted: Lots of voters didn't blame those in charge. Nancy Pelosi enthusiastically backs Biden in 2024. Buck says, "Short of, God forbid, a health incident, I don't see how Biden can't run now." Clay and Buck even throw a little positivity Kamala Harris' way for possible 2028 run if she somehow becomes president before that without running.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Vote counting is still going on, which is its own absurdity.
As we sit here nearly a week after mid term
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voting officially took place, we can tell you that the
Senate is going to be in Democrat control. We can
also tell you that the House is almost certainly, almost
certainly going to be in Republican control with a three
four five seat margin ish. As all of these things
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continue to work themselves out, and today is going to
be the beginning, I would say, of an overall analysis
of what happened. Where were the successes? Where were the failures?
We're going to open up phone lines. I was talking
to Buck off the air before we started today. I
come from the world of sports, and when there is
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a big game on Monday, you typically open up the
phone lines after that big game and say, okay, react
and it can be man, our team played the best
game ever, or we played the worst game ever. You
gotta fire everybody, you gotta There's all sorts of reactions.
So eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two.
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We only have one guest today. We will try to
work in a lot of your calls. We want intelligent,
reason passionate arguments about what you have seen and what
your analysis is for the election. I have spent way
too much time nerding out on the data, and I
know Buck has two and so I'm getting your text
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messages at midnight, like, look at this breakdown by demographic
in Nevada. Anyway, keep going. I've got a bunch that.
So I kind of starred four things that I wanted
to slam home here from a day to perspective, and
we can discuss some of these in greater detail. But
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I think there are several things that we need to discuss. First,
Republicans are going to win the overall nationwide vote by
millions of votes. Okay, So I think a lot of
people are missing this. When people say, oh, there wasn't
a red wave, there wasn't a red tsunami, that's not
necessarily accurate. The problem is it was not evenly distributed
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across the nation, and there are many reasons for that.
The one that I would say I believe is going
to become more and more readily apparent in elections going forward.
Is COVID created a great national resorting. Many people finally
said I can't stay in this blue city or this
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blue state, and you relocated, and that makes the blue
states oftentimes bluer. It makes the Red states redder. That
would explain how Ronda Santis wins by twenty But let
me tell you this, buck, because you're a New Yorker.
In the Wall Street Journal this morning, they pointed out
that Kathy hokel one reelection in New York by around
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three hundred and twenty six thousand votes. They also pointed
out five hundred and fifty six thousand people left to
New York in the past couple of years. Many of
those voters I would submit are likely to have been
read voters who, instead of casting their ballots in New
York might well have been voting in Texas or Tennessee
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or certainly Florida, where massive numbers of red state denizens
have relocated. The other couple of things that I thought
were significant independence broke for the Democrats. This is in
the Wall Street Journal editorial this morning. Also, I've been
this is one of the things that I was sharing
with Buck over the weekend. Independence typically do not break
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for the part in power. It wasn't a big break,
but it was around fifty one forty nine. That means
that Democrats for people who were deciding at the last moment,
for people who were not fundamentally committed to one party
or the other. And I've got some of the data
that will break down. It was even more significant in
many of the toss up states. And finally, Buck last
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little bit here that I wanted to hit. All of
the election deniers effectively lost. Everybody who was focused on
twenty twenty they lost their elections. There you go. That's
my big takeaways. So a few things. I mean the
fact that Republicans won the country in this mid term. Now,
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there is no such thing as the popular vote. Democrats
always say this when they lose, because they often do
better in presidential elections in the popular vote. That's not
the contest we're running, right. It doesn't matter who's up
in the second quarter of a football game. It matters
who's up at the end of the fourth quarter of
the football game. And so you know, your play the
game with the rules as they exist. But it is
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noteworthy that Republican enthusiasm nation wide was pretty tremendous, but
we didn't win where we had to win, how we
had to win. Now, this is where we got. We
gotta get into some honest talk within the family, within
the team here. Okay, we gotta just look at the reality.
Clay brought up. People that made the twenty twenty election
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a centerpiece of this campaign. Put aside whatever you think
about the twenty twenty election, whatever you think happened, put
that aside for just this conversation. It was very unhelpful
in the twenty twenty two election. That is now beyond dispute.
That is not something that anybody who looks at the data,
the numbers and how this went down would argue with.
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So we should going forward understand that focusing on the
previous election in this case, and I think in our
case in general, would be to our detriment. Beyond that,
I'm seeing a lot of this, and look I've made
I've made some jokes about it too, and I want
to be very clear. I think that when it comes
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to election cheating as a general rule, Democrats do it
a whole lot more than any Republicans do anywhere. That's
just that's my sense of it. That's how I feel.
I'd look at history books to make that case. Okay, fine,
the reality of these these title elections. Clay Laxalt lost
over the weekend in Nevada, which was a heartbreaker. Blake
Masters lost in Arizona for the weekend. This is why
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we do not have Senate control. Will probably be okay
in the House, but we obviously should have had Senate control.
The reality of some of these in some of these
states is, while people are saying, oh, you know, the
late counting, the late counting, it's cheating, if you actually
look at what's going on, They've set up the rules
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so of course there will be late counting. Now is
there are there shenanigans happening in the late counting tbd,
But they knew they were going to be votes counted late.
They have set up the election specifically so that that
would happen, right, So when people are I'm saying, these
people are tweeting out, oh well, this one was stolen,
just like the last one. The better framework for thinking
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about why Democrats win in the same states they won
in twenty twenty is the system is rigged, and to
your point, about COVID, Clay and the movements that happened
COVID of population movements. COVID was also the excuse used
to change the way elections are done in some of
these states. And now they have universal registration in some
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states that means everybody gets a ballot sent to them,
and so Democrats spend a month saying, hey, hey, send
in your ballot as soon as you can, as soon
as you can, a lot of money. Republicans saying we
vote on election day. It was stolen narrative in this
election I'm talking about now in twenty twenty two, will
distract us from the central challenge of what has to
be done differently so we actually get the result we
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want in twenty twenty four. If we find red hair
into cheating, absolutely that should be something that we focus
on a whole lot more. But in the meantime, if
we don't fix it from being rigged Clay, this will
play out again in twenty twenty four. Everybody that I
know who runs campaigns, and I've spoke to a bunch
of them of the weekend, I've been texting them, speaking them,
they all say the same thing. We didn't change what
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had to be changed from twenty twenty A lot of
the same stuff I was told, Buck, And one of
the most intriguing conversations I had was with an elected
official who said Democrats are far better now at micro
targeting voters that are low propensity than we are, by
which they mean, hey, you usually don't vote, but we
know you care a great deal about abortion. We're gonna
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get you to fill out a ballot that has been
sent to your house by micro targeting you only on
the issue of abortion. And you might not be willing,
and I think this is important. You might not be
willing to go stand in line for forty minutes or
actually go to a polling place, but you will if
you are sitting in your apartment or your home. You
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will take four minutes to fill out a ballot if
you believe that there are existential issues at stake that
you care about a great deal, and you don't pay attention.
Low propensity single issue voters are being targeted far better
by Democrats than by Republicans. I'll also point this Outbuck,
I spent a lot of time thinking about why did
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independent voters, that is, people who are perquatable break forward Democrats?
Why did which nobody really anticipated in the data didn't
reflect that they would. I don't think Republicans gave a
good argument on the economy of how they could make
things better. We know it's bad, right. I think a
lot of voters out there looked at inflation, and they
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looked at the price of gas, and they looked at
whatever they're having to pay in their day to day life,
and they said, Okay, this sucks, but why do I
believe that Republicans will make it better? And I think
we failed on that arguments. It's even a little worse
than that in some respects because there were a lot
of people in the exit polling for whom and this
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is what threw I think a lot of the expectations
offer this a lot everybody agreed universally the economy was
the biggest issue. It's the biggest issue, but too independent
swing voters and also college educated white voters. College educated
white voters as a demographic were a huge shortcoming of
a lot of these key huge problem in Arizona, huge
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problem in Pennsylvania, huge problem in Georgia. And you can
tell because in places like Georgia, those voters went along
with Kemp. They didn't vote in the same numbers for
herschel Walker. Those voters went along. I mean, doctor Oz,
I think got two hundred and fifty thousand votes more
than Mastriano did. So the ticket splitting phenomenon in general
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was very real, a lot bigger than people had anticipated.
This was not and those white college educated voters as
a demographic, as a voting piece, were a big part
of that. And I think that you have to look
at it. Oh sorry, in the exit polling, they didn't
blame Biden necessarily for the economy, So the economy being
the biggest issue doesn't necessarily mean that, oh, it's a
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weak economy, so Democrats are going to get crushed. This
was a complicating factor. And I said it a few
times and people get mad at me. But I will
always tell right, Clay, We will will always tell the
audience the truth, even when some people are going to
get mad at me. Donald Trump agreed to not just
the initial shutdown, but to trillions of dollars of COVID
emergency spending. Now Joe Biden, in a fit of lunacy,
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in my mind, did an additional two trillion when the
pandemic was effectively you know, something we all should have
known was over So that was egregious, but there was true.
There were trillions of dollars spent on Donald Trump's watch
in office, So I think that that that muddied the
issue a little bit. And then on abortion, because people
keep trying to oh, by the the the gen Z bulge,
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that gen Z you know what was there. There's a
term they've been using for it, like them not a
way but something else. But young kids, they're saying voted
at a higher rate. Not actually true, It's not true.
So this was one of these memes that got out there.
Oh yeah, and you know the anti gun activist hog
he's like, oh, gen Z delivered this total totally nonsense.
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The data does not support that at all. In fact,
younger people voted more Republican over all this time, but
on the abortion issue. And this is where you're noticing
there's a lot of layers here. There's a lot of
different pieces to this election, and there's there's a lot
of disappointment, but there's also, you know, some good stuff
that happened here. We don't talk about Florida that much,
but obviously Florida was an enormous victory. Lap for the GOP.
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But Clay, you know, they say, oh, well, abortion cost
people with independence. Depends depends on what the candidates said.
To your point, the candidates who said, look, you know
we're gonna have thing obviously didn't cost you know, Ron
de Santis and they've got a I think it's a
fourteen week ban in Florida didn't cost the governor of Texas,
Greg Abbott, who won by over ten points, didn't cost
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Mike Dewy in Tennessee won by exactly. So in some
places the abortion issue was a total non issue. It
depends on where and what the candidates said. So the
slogans that around a lot of this stuff need unpacking,
which is what we're doing here. And we also want
to open up phone lines again, allow you to react
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its reaction Monday. We pretty much know the full scope
of what took place on Tuesday. We want to allow
you to react. We want you to be smart, intelligent, passionate,
bring arguments to us and to obviously the millions of
people who are out there listening to all of us today.
We appreciate all of you. We're trying to give you
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actual hard data, not just random ideas, and so far,
there are a lot of data points. Another good one,
Buck is that Hispanic, Black and Asian voters continued to
move towards Republicans as we expected. Again, we're going to
be Hispanic is going to be a majority GOP party.
I think by the next I think the next election
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that we have more results. Right, the election results do
come in over the course of a week. It seems
that's just the way it is. And that's not going
to change as long as there are day of dropped
in ballots and ballots that are dropped in the mail,
and all these processes need to be fixed. And I
think it's important that everyone sees that. Whatever you think
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about how it went and the messaging went in some
of these different states, the GOP does need a new
tactical playbook for how to operate in some of these places,
and that means new leadership play which brings me to
merch McConnell, who is going to have Senate leadership Senate
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leadership election looks like they're going to rush it through
before we even know the outcome. Look Herschel's, it's every
Senate seat is important. It's especially important when you think
about the context of Democrats having to play major defense
in the next cycle. They've got a lot of very
tough seats they're going to try to defend, so we
obviously want Herschel to win. Mitch McConnell wants to rush
this through. I still sit here. I have not seen,
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even from the swampiest GOP establishment folks out there, I
have not seen one credible reasonable defense of what Mitch
McConnell decided to do with GOP Senate funds in this
last election with regard to Alaska and Arizona, among other places.
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I think Alaska in particular is indefensible, and I think
it's a reason enough personally to replace Mitch McConnell because
spending almost ten million dollars to put your preferred person
in Alaska if Republican among Republicans, and I think Alaskans
who are listening to us right now, this ranked choice
voting scheme that you guys ended up supporting, it's anti democratic.
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Just pass it in Nevada too. Somewhere Beca's going. I
think I'm concerned that it's going to be put forward
in Nevada. I saw that headline. I'm not sure when
exactly it would be implemented or not, but yes, it's wrong. Look,
it's costing Republicans a House seat because right now, the
expectation is the Democrat is going to win even though
sixty percent of voters are voting for a Republican in
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that House seat for Alaska, and it's going to cost
Republicans and actual Republican it appears may well be the case.
Kelly Shabaka is gonna lose to Lisa Murkowski. You guys
got played, and you need to be skeptical of all
these schemes that are allowing you to be played in
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to Pure Talk today. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck
Sexton show. We ran through a lot of the data
and analytics on the vote so far for you to
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open the program. Will continue to discuss much of that
as we progress. But I've been saying it. I told Buck,
like I come out of the world of sports, and
when you have a big game, you open up the
phone lines and let people react. What did they see?
What do they think going forward? What is the reaction?
We're going to do that reaction Monday. A lot of
you being able to weigh in. Let's go up to Pennsylvania,
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Crystal in Pennsylvania. What you got for us? Hi? How
are you great. I heard Suderman talk the other day,
and I just heard the clip of Shapiro talking on
CNN trying to convince people that they got the red
the red vote, like they're turning the red areas blue,
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and it's just not true. I didn't get a chance
to look at Shapiro's overall how it broke down with
the counties and everything that I did look at Suderman's
the other day after I heard him talking about it,
and unless I counted really poorly, I counted thirteen out
of sixty seven counties in Pennsylvania went blue. So he
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you know, they're out there throwing the story around and
that they turned the red blue. And you know, we're
supposed to be this puzzle state, and if you look
at Pennsylvania in the voting map, this is a wedge.
Except thank you, thank you, Yeah, Philadelphia, thank you for
the call, Crystal. Look, the big story out of Pennsylvania
is they could basically elect a dead man in John Federick,
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and they did actual dead man. They did elected actual
dead man. Yes, but Mastriano was a disaster, okay. And
the lesson that I would tell people in Pennsylvania and
also Purple States is over. I understand people being furious
about twenty twenty. Elections are forward looking. Everyone who focused
on twenty twenty got beaten pretty much across the board
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in any kind of toss up state. Can I just
say Kerry Lake, who we've had had it on many times,
a very compelling candidate in a lot of ways. If
she ends up losing, and we hope she pulls it out,
and I think she will, although you know what our
predictions about these things worth these days, Let's be honest,
if she pulls it out or if she doesn't. The
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reason this was as close as it is is because
of a lot of talk about twenty twenty. And you
can say that that's what's needed, and it's the Republican
stake and all this stuff. Well, if you want to
win elections, you gotta get independent swing voters in Arizona
to think that you don't you're not so obsessed with
twenty twenty that it's going to be a problem in
twenty twenty three. And that was this is just this
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is what the numbers are showing. Everybody. You know, now
we're analyzing data before we were extrapolating the future from perception,
which is a very different thing. Now it's who did
people vote for and why do they say they voted
for them? It's a lot, it's a much more precise,
not still not not you know, exact, there's a lot
of factors that we get that, but we have hard
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to work with now, not projections about the future. And
you make a good point. People have to decide do
you want to feel pride in believing that you're right
or do you want to win? Those are not always
the same thing, right, because you can be furious about
twenty twenty and you can run around and you can
talk about it all the time. And I would also
add with Mastriano, he said he didn't support any exemptions
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for abortion. That works in Alabama, that can work in
my home state of Tennessee, I don't think it's gonna
work in Michigan or Pennsylvania or anywhere else. So candidates
and the stances that they take matter. I mean, that's
what elections are. And Mastriano got destroyed. Now, he might
have been pure in the sense of he told you
exactly what he believed, but if only forty two percent
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of people believe what you believe, you're gonna get wrecked.
And that's what happened in Pennsylvania, and you have to
wise up to it, right. And Mastriano was a drag
We had him on the show. I wish he had won,
but he was a drag on doctor and did not help.
I think Baldock is, you know, a great American and
I appreciate what he's done for the country with his service.
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And he's, you know, legendary in military circles according to
people I've spoken to who know him from his time there.
But he got crushed in New Hampshire. Yes, why did
he get crushed in New him by a week? Candidates
like a really likable because New Hampshire Republican voters, I'm
sorry New Hampshire swing voters and some Republican voters or
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and something to likely voters. They just feel like it's
a little too crazy with the twenty twenty stuff. And
this is people can get mad about this, feel free.
You could always vent at us, you know where this
is like all within the family. People can get frustrated
about the situation, say, oh, that's not true. We're just
relaying now what people who voted in these places said,
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and what the what the data actually shows because I mean,
when you have tickets splitting, for example, that means somebody
who's in there, they're like, I'm gonna vote for this
guy who's a Republican, not gonna vote for that guy
who's a Republican. There's a reason for that. And butt
the other bit of data here is Democrats were far
more reliable to their candidates. Democrats didn't ticket split as
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much as Republicans did, and in the most competitive districts
out there. I sent you this over the weekend. I'm
sitting around looking at the data, crunching the numbers at
six am or two in the morning. Stuff. It's crazy,
but I look at this, um, look at this stuff.
When you look at some of these states and the
degree to which people abandoned uh, just based on whether
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they were committed or not, it's scary. It's scary how
many Republicans were willing to split tickets. I mean, look,
herschel Walker is in a runoff because tons of people
split tickets. Right, Bryan Kemp won by eight points. We
could have had a Republican who was much more within
the Kemp machine, if you will, who would have won easily.
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I'm just got Herschel seems like a great guy, and
you know, I hope he wins. But wasn't the right
candidate to run in Georgia in this election based on
the fact that it's even in a runoff and how
many more votes went to what did Kemplin by eight points? Yes,
and let me just give you this book. We were
talking about the economy. Voters who said the economy is
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not very good. In Pennsylvania, they voted plus thirty five
for Democrats. This is voters who are saying the economy
is not very good. New Hampshire they went went plus
thirty one to Democrats. North Carolina plus twenty four, Georgia
plus eleven, Wisconsin plus eighteen. This is crazy, Arizona plus
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forty seven. People recognize the economy was awful and they
didn't pick the Republican candidate. Why is that? I mean,
this is something that I think everybody out there needs
to contemplate again. In many of these competitive places, what
did Laxalt end up losing by like five thousand votes? Yeah,
I will say this too, by the way, and people
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who say, oh, but they I keep seeing this. Oh,
it took them a few days to cheat with all
the votes. Okay, if that's gonna be the position of Nevada,
because I want us to win. I don't want to
do the thing that gets There's a lot of clickbait
people on the right that are being very disingenuous right now.
Twenty twenty was one thing. Twenty twenty two, we have
more data, more knowledge about what's going on right now.
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And I'm just gonna say it. So, they cheated with Laxalt,
but they didn't cheat with the like the state treasurer,
and they're these other statewide the governor in Nevada one,
so the governor wins, the treasurer wins. But they cheated
in Laxalt's race, but they didn't cheat in the other races. No,
I'm sorry, we have to stop doing this thing off
Oh but they cheated. I know that that can be.
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This is what the Libs do. The Libs did this
with Russia collusion. They can't handle reality. We lost a
Senate seat in Nevada because we lost it. We have
to deal with why did we lose it? Telling ourselves
we actually want it is not helped. I'm not saying
we do that, but there's a lot of that out there.
There are a lot of people. I mean, it's the
same thing as being again. I come from the world
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to sports. What did we say for months put it
outside the margin? We didn't do it right. Herschel Walker
had a chance to put it outside the margin and win.
Brian Kemp did. Brian Kemp won by eight. Adam Laxolt
had a chance to put it outside the margin. Nevada
Republicans couldn't make it happen. Why is that? Go look
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at the data now. One thing is only one incumbent lost,
basically statewide incumbent. Was that we flipped to the Nevada
governor's race. Otherwise, virtually every Republican and Democrat on the
ballot running for statewide office. I'm not talking about congressional seats.
Even those mostly incumbents won. But by and large, this
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was an election where everybody just said, hey, let's keep
the same people in power, even though seventy five percent
of us think things are awful. And one problem that
we ran into, and I'll just admit it, with a
bad economy. I think there was an assumption banked into
this that the party in charge is going to suffer
because there's a bad economy. That was just the assumption.
It seemed reasonable to me. I think it seems reasonable anybody.
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But it turned out a lot of people don't view
it that way. A lot of people say, yeah, it's
not really his fault. Now, you could say that's the
media propaganda. You could say they're propping up Biden, that
he's a marionette, that the puppeteers, you know, ron Klain's.
You could do all this all day, but at the
end of the day, one huge missed area here. By
the way, the crime issue, which we talked about a lot,
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was enormously important. Was I mean, Christine Drainsen almost won
in Oregon, which is sort of like winning as a
Republican in North Korea. I mean it's really Elden almost
did in New York, and he almost did it in
New York, and Ries Eldon did really well under the
circumstances of what he faced in New York and deserves
a lot a lot of credit for it. So again,
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this is I know where it's there's a little bit
of a little bit you know, emotion whip last year,
there's a little bit of wait, hold on, there's this,
and there's that. Well, yeah, it's a nationwide election. There's
a lot of stuff going on, right and this is
why we're trying to break it all down based on
what we've actually seen and so we can do a
better job or do a better job going forward, because
I mean, one thing we all agree on should have
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been better than this should have been we got to
win in twenty four And if you get whipped and
your response is, oh, we actually won, then you don't
actually go back and put together a game plan that
allows you to win. We cannot. That is exactly that is.
I mean, if anything else, how do we win the
next one? What do we do wrong in this one?
Show me if there's cheating, show me cheating. But I'm
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not saying there isn't. But we either show the cheating
or we just focus on the ending of the rigging
of these elections and going forward and winning the next election,
because unless everybody just wants to get ready to have
a president Biden for four more years and a Democrat
control House and Senate again, because that's what'll happen if
we seen around and play that we won game. We
didn't win. We obviously, well we won the House, yeah,
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n i X. Welcome back to Clay and Buck. We
have Nancy Pelosi here telling everybody that, yes, in fact,
Biden should run for presidents again. Playuli twenty two. I
think President Biden should run again? Oh yes I do.
President Biden has been a great president for our country.
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He has accomplished so much ten million jobs, over ten
million jobs under his leadership, working with the private sector.
Of course, he has just done so many things that
are so great. We knew a lot more to show
to to I gotta say, Clay, now, it is to
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be fair. Nobody expected, and I think that's all seems
to be said. Democrats were terrified of what this midterm
election was going to look like, and there was a
hunter Republican votes out there. So this wasn't like we
were saying, that's why there's not a lot of haha,
we told you so, because they were having crying pity
parties days before the election even happened. But with this
election outcome, holding the Senate and a super narrow house
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majority for Republicans, I just don't even see how it's
feasible for Biden to give up the incumbency you would
have you and then I guess, I guess the argument
would be, then it's going to be Kamala and I
will say that even Democrats, no, Kamala not gonna get
it done in twenty twenty four for voters. Right, So Biden,
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it's like a brand, right, I mean for Biden, Biden
running for re election. For Democrats, it's like Coca Cola.
They're just saying, yeah, Biden. The fact that he gets
confused and practically falls off the stage, and even when
he was in his prime, he never really had a fastball.
I just don't say, did you think that's fair enough?
I don't see short of I mean, God forbid, but
short of like an actual unforeseen health issue, I don't
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see how he cannot run at this point. That's my
biggest takeaway is I think there were a lot of
people prepared. And this was my theory. I thought that
Republicans would take the House comfortably, and I thought Republicans
would take the Senate and Biden would be the sort
of guy who was trotted out to take the fall
that he would be ultimately forced out. Fuck when again,
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the most devastating result to me of the entire twenty
twenty two race was John Fetterman winning by four points
in Pennsylvania. Because the lesson that Democrats took there again.
We have to re engineer that John Fetterman vote and
figure out what they're doing to harvest ballots and get
big wins in a state like Pennsylvania. Okay, the lesson
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to me there is, if they'll vote for a guy
who can't speak and truly cannot do the job to
be the Pennsylvania Senator, why in the world would the
Biden people not look at those results and say, we're
gonna win Pennsylvania. Look, Michigan, Buck Michigan, we got our
asses kicked up and down the ballot. Republicans got wrecked
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in Michigan. They're looking at those results and they're saying,
we got Pennsylvania, we got Michigan, Arizona. It doesn't look
like we're gonna break through with any of those candidates.
I still hope Carrie Lake's gonna win, but she hasn't
broken through yet, and they're looking and saying we're gonna
win Arizona. Maybe in Georgia they're nervous because of what
Brian Kemp did. But in these toss up states, there
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isn't a lot of reason if you're a Joe Biden
person to think that you're not going to be able
to drag him weekend in Bernie's two style across the
finish line. And if I'm sitting there, if I'm gonna
be in the you know, White House Rasputin role here, right,
the guy whispering things into Biden's ears. Apparently actually Rasputin
gets a tough he gets a bad rat for it. Hey,
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we can talk about that another time. But if I'm
gonna be in the Resputen role here, if I'm gonna
be the guy whispering in Biden's ear, I think it's
very clear that the move is for them to have
Biden run again. Keep everything where it is. He's the president,
everything's fine, incumbent, see all that stuff, and then you
have him stepped down, maybe even before them in terms,
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and then it's and then you say, oh, but it'll
be president Kamala. But yeah, but at that point they'll
already have secured you know, it'll be president. Get to
run as an incumbent, then even better for twenty twenty eight, correct, right,
because then she has the presidential powers. And to the
extent she's an awful candidate. Maybe if you're a Democrat
and you're thinking ahead, maybe you'd think if she does
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just not an awful job as president. She strengthened in
twenty twenty eight, having her run again after being president
for a couple of years. Let's just say, is a
whole different ball game than she's just up now. Now
it's Biden's done, She's the one, you know, she's the
one who's going to be, you know, taking over in
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a general election center. I just don't I don't see that.
I don't see that happening. But look, future is very
hard to predict. Clay, I want to can I take
us into a direction that I don't think was anticipate.
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Vote counting is still going on, which is its own absurdity.
As we sit here nearly a week after mid term
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voting officially took place, we can tell you that the
Senate is going to be in Democrat control. We can
also tell you that the House is almost certainly, almost
certainly going to be in Republican control with a three
four five seat margin ish. As all of these things
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continue to work themselves out, and today is going to
be the beginning, I would say, of an overall analysis
of what happened. Where were the successes? Where were the failures?
We're going to open up phone lines. I was talking
to Buck off the air before we started today. I
come from the world of sports, and when there is
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a big game on Monday, you typically open up the
phone lines after that big game and say, okay, react
and it can be man, our team played the best
game ever, or we played the worst game ever. You
gotta fire everybody, you gotta There's all sorts of reactions.
So eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two.
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We only have one guest today. We will try to
work in a lot of your calls. We want intelligent,
reason passionate arguments about what you have seen and what
your analysis is for the election. I have spent way
too much time nerding out on the data, and I
know Buck has two and so I'm getting your text
(01:45):
messages at midnight, like, look at this breakdown by demographic
in Nevada. Anyway, keep going. I've got a bunch that.
So I kind of starred four things that I wanted
to slam home here from a day to perspective, and
we can discuss some of these in greater detail. But
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I think there are several things that we need to discuss. First,
Republicans are going to win the overall nationwide vote by
millions of votes. Okay, So I think a lot of
people are missing this. When people say, oh, there wasn't
a red wave, there wasn't a red tsunami, that's not
necessarily accurate. The problem is it was not evenly distributed
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across the nation, and there are many reasons for that.
The one that I would say I believe is going
to become more and more readily apparent in elections going forward.
Is COVID created a great national resorting. Many people finally
said I can't stay in this blue city or this
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blue state, and you relocated, and that makes the blue
states oftentimes bluer. It makes the Red states redder. That
would explain how Ronda Santis wins by twenty But let
me tell you this, buck, because you're a New Yorker.
In the Wall Street Journal this morning, they pointed out
that Kathy hokel one reelection in New York by around
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three hundred and twenty six thousand votes. They also pointed
out five hundred and fifty six thousand people left to
New York in the past couple of years. Many of
those voters I would submit are likely to have been
read voters who, instead of casting their ballots in New
York might well have been voting in Texas or Tennessee
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or certainly Florida, where massive numbers of red state denizens
have relocated. The other couple of things that I thought
were significant independence broke for the Democrats. This is in
the Wall Street Journal editorial this morning. Also, I've been
this is one of the things that I was sharing
with Buck over the weekend. Independence typically do not break
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for the part in power. It wasn't a big break,
but it was around fifty one forty nine. That means
that Democrats for people who were deciding at the last moment,
for people who were not fundamentally committed to one party
or the other. And I've got some of the data
that will break down. It was even more significant in
many of the toss up states. And finally, Buck last
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little bit here that I wanted to hit. All of
the election deniers effectively lost. Everybody who was focused on
twenty twenty they lost their elections. There you go. That's
my big takeaways. So a few things. I mean the
fact that Republicans won the country in this mid term. Now,
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there is no such thing as the popular vote. Democrats
always say this when they lose, because they often do
better in presidential elections in the popular vote. That's not
the contest we're running, right. It doesn't matter who's up
in the second quarter of a football game. It matters
who's up at the end of the fourth quarter of
the football game. And so you know, your play the
game with the rules as they exist. But it is
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noteworthy that Republican enthusiasm nation wide was pretty tremendous, but
we didn't win where we had to win, how we
had to win. Now, this is where we got. We
gotta get into some honest talk within the family, within
the team here. Okay, we gotta just look at the reality.
Clay brought up. People that made the twenty twenty election
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a centerpiece of this campaign. Put aside whatever you think
about the twenty twenty election, whatever you think happened, put
that aside for just this conversation. It was very unhelpful
in the twenty twenty two election. That is now beyond dispute.
That is not something that anybody who looks at the data,
the numbers and how this went down would argue with.
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So we should going forward understand that focusing on the
previous election in this case, and I think in our
case in general, would be to our detriment. Beyond that,
I'm seeing a lot of this, and look I've made
I've made some jokes about it too, and I want
to be very clear. I think that when it comes
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to election cheating as a general rule, Democrats do it
a whole lot more than any Republicans do anywhere. That's
just that's my sense of it. That's how I feel.
I'd look at history books to make that case. Okay, fine,
the reality of these these title elections. Clay Laxalt lost
over the weekend in Nevada, which was a heartbreaker. Blake
Masters lost in Arizona for the weekend. This is why
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we do not have Senate control. Will probably be okay
in the House, but we obviously should have had Senate control.
The reality of some of these in some of these
states is, while people are saying, oh, you know, the
late counting, the late counting, it's cheating, if you actually
look at what's going on, They've set up the rules
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so of course there will be late counting. Now is
there are there shenanigans happening in the late counting tbd,
But they knew they were going to be votes counted late.
They have set up the election specifically so that that
would happen, right, So when people are I'm saying, these
people are tweeting out, oh well, this one was stolen,
just like the last one. The better framework for thinking
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about why Democrats win in the same states they won
in twenty twenty is the system is rigged, and to
your point, about COVID, Clay and the movements that happened
COVID of population movements. COVID was also the excuse used
to change the way elections are done in some of
these states. And now they have universal registration in some
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states that means everybody gets a ballot sent to them,
and so Democrats spend a month saying, hey, hey, send
in your ballot as soon as you can, as soon
as you can, a lot of money. Republicans saying we
vote on election day. It was stolen narrative in this
election I'm talking about now in twenty twenty two, will
distract us from the central challenge of what has to
be done differently so we actually get the result we
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want in twenty twenty four. If we find red hair
into cheating, absolutely that should be something that we focus
on a whole lot more. But in the meantime, if
we don't fix it from being rigged Clay, this will
play out again in twenty twenty four. Everybody that I
know who runs campaigns, and I've spoke to a bunch
of them of the weekend, I've been texting them, speaking them,
they all say the same thing. We didn't change what
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had to be changed from twenty twenty A lot of
the same stuff I was told, Buck, And one of
the most intriguing conversations I had was with an elected
official who said Democrats are far better now at micro
targeting voters that are low propensity than we are, by
which they mean, hey, you usually don't vote, but we
know you care a great deal about abortion. We're gonna
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get you to fill out a ballot that has been
sent to your house by micro targeting you only on
the issue of abortion. And you might not be willing,
and I think this is important. You might not be
willing to go stand in line for forty minutes or
actually go to a polling place, but you will if
you are sitting in your apartment or your home. You
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will take four minutes to fill out a ballot if
you believe that there are existential issues at stake that
you care about a great deal, and you don't pay attention.
Low propensity single issue voters are being targeted far better
by Democrats than by Republicans. I'll also point this Outbuck,
I spent a lot of time thinking about why did
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independent voters, that is, people who are perquatable break forward Democrats?
Why did which nobody really anticipated in the data didn't
reflect that they would. I don't think Republicans gave a
good argument on the economy of how they could make
things better. We know it's bad, right. I think a
lot of voters out there looked at inflation, and they
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looked at the price of gas, and they looked at
whatever they're having to pay in their day to day life,
and they said, Okay, this sucks, but why do I
believe that Republicans will make it better? And I think
we failed on that arguments. It's even a little worse
than that in some respects because there were a lot
of people in the exit polling for whom and this
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is what threw I think a lot of the expectations
offer this a lot everybody agreed universally the economy was
the biggest issue. It's the biggest issue, but too independent
swing voters and also college educated white voters. College educated
white voters as a demographic were a huge shortcoming of
a lot of these key huge problem in Arizona, huge
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problem in Pennsylvania, huge problem in Georgia. And you can
tell because in places like Georgia, those voters went along
with Kemp. They didn't vote in the same numbers for
herschel Walker. Those voters went along. I mean, doctor Oz,
I think got two hundred and fifty thousand votes more
than Mastriano did. So the ticket splitting phenomenon in general
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was very real, a lot bigger than people had anticipated.
This was not and those white college educated voters as
a demographic, as a voting piece, were a big part
of that. And I think that you have to look
at it. Oh sorry, in the exit polling, they didn't
blame Biden necessarily for the economy, So the economy being
the biggest issue doesn't necessarily mean that, oh, it's a
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weak economy, so Democrats are going to get crushed. This
was a complicating factor. And I said it a few
times and people get mad at me. But I will
always tell right, Clay, We will will always tell the
audience the truth, even when some people are going to
get mad at me. Donald Trump agreed to not just
the initial shutdown, but to trillions of dollars of COVID
emergency spending. Now Joe Biden, in a fit of lunacy,
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in my mind, did an additional two trillion when the
pandemic was effectively you know, something we all should have
known was over So that was egregious, but there was true.
There were trillions of dollars spent on Donald Trump's watch
in office, So I think that that that muddied the
issue a little bit. And then on abortion, because people
keep trying to oh, by the the the gen Z bulge,
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that gen Z you know what was there. There's a
term they've been using for it, like them not a
way but something else. But young kids, they're saying voted
at a higher rate. Not actually true, It's not true.
So this was one of these memes that got out there.
Oh yeah, and you know the anti gun activist hog
he's like, oh, gen Z delivered this total totally nonsense.
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The data does not support that at all. In fact,
younger people voted more Republican over all this time, but
on the abortion issue. And this is where you're noticing
there's a lot of layers here. There's a lot of
different pieces to this election, and there's there's a lot
of disappointment, but there's also, you know, some good stuff
that happened here. We don't talk about Florida that much,
but obviously Florida was an enormous victory. Lap for the GOP.
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But Clay, you know, they say, oh, well, abortion cost
people with independence. Depends depends on what the candidates said.
To your point, the candidates who said, look, you know
we're gonna have thing obviously didn't cost you know, Ron
de Santis and they've got a I think it's a
fourteen week ban in Florida didn't cost the governor of Texas,
Greg Abbott, who won by over ten points, didn't cost
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Mike Dewy in Tennessee won by exactly. So in some
places the abortion issue was a total non issue. It
depends on where and what the candidates said. So the
slogans that around a lot of this stuff need unpacking,
which is what we're doing here. And we also want
to open up phone lines again, allow you to react
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its reaction Monday. We pretty much know the full scope
of what took place on Tuesday. We want to allow
you to react. We want you to be smart, intelligent, passionate,
bring arguments to us and to obviously the millions of
people who are out there listening to all of us today.
We appreciate all of you. We're trying to give you
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actual hard data, not just random ideas, and so far,
there are a lot of data points. Another good one,
Buck is that Hispanic, Black and Asian voters continued to
move towards Republicans as we expected. Again, we're going to
be Hispanic is going to be a majority GOP party.
I think by the next I think the next election
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that we have more results. Right, the election results do
come in over the course of a week. It seems
that's just the way it is. And that's not going
to change as long as there are day of dropped
in ballots and ballots that are dropped in the mail,
and all these processes need to be fixed. And I
think it's important that everyone sees that. Whatever you think
(15:48):
about how it went and the messaging went in some
of these different states, the GOP does need a new
tactical playbook for how to operate in some of these places,
and that means new leadership play which brings me to
merch McConnell, who is going to have Senate leadership Senate
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leadership election looks like they're going to rush it through
before we even know the outcome. Look Herschel's, it's every
Senate seat is important. It's especially important when you think
about the context of Democrats having to play major defense
in the next cycle. They've got a lot of very
tough seats they're going to try to defend, so we
obviously want Herschel to win. Mitch McConnell wants to rush
this through. I still sit here. I have not seen,
(16:31):
even from the swampiest GOP establishment folks out there, I
have not seen one credible reasonable defense of what Mitch
McConnell decided to do with GOP Senate funds in this
last election with regard to Alaska and Arizona, among other places.
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I think Alaska in particular is indefensible, and I think
it's a reason enough personally to replace Mitch McConnell because
spending almost ten million dollars to put your preferred person
in Alaska if Republican among Republicans, and I think Alaskans
who are listening to us right now, this ranked choice
voting scheme that you guys ended up supporting, it's anti democratic.
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Just pass it in Nevada too. Somewhere Beca's going. I
think I'm concerned that it's going to be put forward
in Nevada. I saw that headline. I'm not sure when
exactly it would be implemented or not, but yes, it's wrong. Look,
it's costing Republicans a House seat because right now, the
expectation is the Democrat is going to win even though
sixty percent of voters are voting for a Republican in
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that House seat for Alaska, and it's going to cost
Republicans and actual Republican it appears may well be the case.
Kelly Shabaka is gonna lose to Lisa Murkowski. You guys
got played, and you need to be skeptical of all
these schemes that are allowing you to be played in
terms of how you vote. I'm afraid they're going to spread.
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to Pure Talk today. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck
Sexton show. We ran through a lot of the data
and analytics on the vote so far for you to
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open the program. Will continue to discuss much of that
as we progress. But I've been saying it. I told Buck,
like I come out of the world of sports, and
when you have a big game, you open up the
phone lines and let people react. What did they see?
What do they think going forward? What is the reaction?
We're going to do that reaction Monday. A lot of
you being able to weigh in. Let's go up to Pennsylvania,
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Crystal in Pennsylvania. What you got for us? Hi? How
are you great. I heard Suderman talk the other day,
and I just heard the clip of Shapiro talking on
CNN trying to convince people that they got the red
the red vote, like they're turning the red areas blue,
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and it's just not true. I didn't get a chance
to look at Shapiro's overall how it broke down with
the counties and everything that I did look at Suderman's
the other day after I heard him talking about it,
and unless I counted really poorly, I counted thirteen out
of sixty seven counties in Pennsylvania went blue. So he
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you know, they're out there throwing the story around and
that they turned the red blue. And you know, we're
supposed to be this puzzle state, and if you look
at Pennsylvania in the voting map, this is a wedge.
Except thank you, thank you, Yeah, Philadelphia, thank you for
the call, Crystal. Look, the big story out of Pennsylvania
is they could basically elect a dead man in John Federick,
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and they did actual dead man. They did elected actual
dead man. Yes, but Mastriano was a disaster, okay. And
the lesson that I would tell people in Pennsylvania and
also Purple States is over. I understand people being furious
about twenty twenty. Elections are forward looking. Everyone who focused
on twenty twenty got beaten pretty much across the board
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in any kind of toss up state. Can I just
say Kerry Lake, who we've had had it on many times,
a very compelling candidate in a lot of ways. If
she ends up losing, and we hope she pulls it out,
and I think she will, although you know what our
predictions about these things worth these days, Let's be honest,
if she pulls it out or if she doesn't. The
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reason this was as close as it is is because
of a lot of talk about twenty twenty. And you
can say that that's what's needed, and it's the Republican
stake and all this stuff. Well, if you want to
win elections, you gotta get independent swing voters in Arizona
to think that you don't you're not so obsessed with
twenty twenty that it's going to be a problem in
twenty twenty three. And that was this is just this
(21:38):
is what the numbers are showing. Everybody. You know, now
we're analyzing data before we were extrapolating the future from perception,
which is a very different thing. Now it's who did
people vote for and why do they say they voted
for them? It's a lot, it's a much more precise,
not still not not you know, exact, there's a lot
of factors that we get that, but we have hard
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to work with now, not projections about the future. And
you make a good point. People have to decide do
you want to feel pride in believing that you're right
or do you want to win? Those are not always
the same thing, right, because you can be furious about
twenty twenty and you can run around and you can
talk about it all the time. And I would also
add with Mastriano, he said he didn't support any exemptions
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for abortion. That works in Alabama, that can work in
my home state of Tennessee, I don't think it's gonna
work in Michigan or Pennsylvania or anywhere else. So candidates
and the stances that they take matter. I mean, that's
what elections are. And Mastriano got destroyed. Now, he might
have been pure in the sense of he told you
exactly what he believed, but if only forty two percent
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of people believe what you believe, you're gonna get wrecked.
And that's what happened in Pennsylvania, and you have to
wise up to it, right. And Mastriano was a drag
We had him on the show. I wish he had won,
but he was a drag on doctor and did not help.
I think Baldock is, you know, a great American and
I appreciate what he's done for the country with his service.
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And he's, you know, legendary in military circles according to
people I've spoken to who know him from his time there.
But he got crushed in New Hampshire. Yes, why did
he get crushed in New him by a week? Candidates
like a really likable because New Hampshire Republican voters, I'm
sorry New Hampshire swing voters and some Republican voters or
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and something to likely voters. They just feel like it's
a little too crazy with the twenty twenty stuff. And
this is people can get mad about this, feel free.
You could always vent at us, you know where this
is like all within the family. People can get frustrated
about the situation, say, oh, that's not true. We're just
relaying now what people who voted in these places said,
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and what the what the data actually shows because I mean,
when you have tickets splitting, for example, that means somebody
who's in there, they're like, I'm gonna vote for this
guy who's a Republican, not gonna vote for that guy
who's a Republican. There's a reason for that. And butt
the other bit of data here is Democrats were far
more reliable to their candidates. Democrats didn't ticket split as
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much as Republicans did, and in the most competitive districts
out there. I sent you this over the weekend. I'm
sitting around looking at the data, crunching the numbers at
six am or two in the morning. Stuff. It's crazy,
but I look at this, um, look at this stuff.
When you look at some of these states and the
degree to which people abandoned uh, just based on whether
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they were committed or not, it's scary. It's scary how
many Republicans were willing to split tickets. I mean, look,
herschel Walker is in a runoff because tons of people
split tickets. Right, Bryan Kemp won by eight points. We
could have had a Republican who was much more within
the Kemp machine, if you will, who would have won easily.
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I'm just got Herschel seems like a great guy, and
you know, I hope he wins. But wasn't the right
candidate to run in Georgia in this election based on
the fact that it's even in a runoff and how
many more votes went to what did Kemplin by eight points? Yes,
and let me just give you this book. We were
talking about the economy. Voters who said the economy is
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not very good. In Pennsylvania, they voted plus thirty five
for Democrats. This is voters who are saying the economy
is not very good. New Hampshire they went went plus
thirty one to Democrats. North Carolina plus twenty four, Georgia
plus eleven, Wisconsin plus eighteen. This is crazy, Arizona plus
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forty seven. People recognize the economy was awful and they
didn't pick the Republican candidate. Why is that? I mean,
this is something that I think everybody out there needs
to contemplate again. In many of these competitive places, what
did Laxalt end up losing by like five thousand votes? Yeah,
I will say this too, by the way, and people
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who say, oh, but they I keep seeing this. Oh,
it took them a few days to cheat with all
the votes. Okay, if that's gonna be the position of Nevada,
because I want us to win. I don't want to
do the thing that gets There's a lot of clickbait
people on the right that are being very disingenuous right now.
Twenty twenty was one thing. Twenty twenty two, we have
more data, more knowledge about what's going on right now.
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And I'm just gonna say it. So, they cheated with Laxalt,
but they didn't cheat with the like the state treasurer,
and they're these other statewide the governor in Nevada one,
so the governor wins, the treasurer wins. But they cheated
in Laxalt's race, but they didn't cheat in the other races. No,
I'm sorry, we have to stop doing this thing off
Oh but they cheated. I know that that can be.
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This is what the Libs do. The Libs did this
with Russia collusion. They can't handle reality. We lost a
Senate seat in Nevada because we lost it. We have
to deal with why did we lose it? Telling ourselves
we actually want it is not helped. I'm not saying
we do that, but there's a lot of that out there.
There are a lot of people. I mean, it's the
same thing as being again. I come from the world
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to sports. What did we say for months put it
outside the margin? We didn't do it right. Herschel Walker
had a chance to put it outside the margin and win.
Brian Kemp did. Brian Kemp won by eight. Adam Laxolt
had a chance to put it outside the margin. Nevada
Republicans couldn't make it happen. Why is that? Go look
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at the data now. One thing is only one incumbent lost,
basically statewide incumbent. Was that we flipped to the Nevada
governor's race. Otherwise, virtually every Republican and Democrat on the
ballot running for statewide office. I'm not talking about congressional seats.
Even those mostly incumbents won. But by and large, this
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was an election where everybody just said, hey, let's keep
the same people in power, even though seventy five percent
of us think things are awful. And one problem that
we ran into, and I'll just admit it, with a
bad economy. I think there was an assumption banked into
this that the party in charge is going to suffer
because there's a bad economy. That was just the assumption.
It seemed reasonable to me. I think it seems reasonable anybody.
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But it turned out a lot of people don't view
it that way. A lot of people say, yeah, it's
not really his fault. Now, you could say that's the
media propaganda. You could say they're propping up Biden, that
he's a marionette, that the puppeteers, you know, ron Klain's.
You could do all this all day, but at the
end of the day, one huge missed area here. By
the way, the crime issue, which we talked about a lot,
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was enormously important. Was I mean, Christine Drainsen almost won
in Oregon, which is sort of like winning as a
Republican in North Korea. I mean it's really Elden almost
did in New York, and he almost did it in
New York, and Ries Eldon did really well under the
circumstances of what he faced in New York and deserves
a lot a lot of credit for it. So again,
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this is I know where it's there's a little bit
of a little bit you know, emotion whip last year,
there's a little bit of wait, hold on, there's this,
and there's that. Well, yeah, it's a nationwide election. There's
a lot of stuff going on, right and this is
why we're trying to break it all down based on
what we've actually seen and so we can do a
better job or do a better job going forward, because
I mean, one thing we all agree on should have
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been better than this should have been we got to
win in twenty four And if you get whipped and
your response is, oh, we actually won, then you don't
actually go back and put together a game plan that
allows you to win. We cannot. That is exactly that is.
I mean, if anything else, how do we win the
next one? What do we do wrong in this one?
Show me if there's cheating, show me cheating. But I'm
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not saying there isn't. But we either show the cheating
or we just focus on the ending of the rigging
of these elections and going forward and winning the next election,
because unless everybody just wants to get ready to have
a president Biden for four more years and a Democrat
control House and Senate again, because that's what'll happen if
we seen around and play that we won game. We
didn't win. We obviously, well we won the House, yeah,
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n i X. Welcome back to Clay and Buck. We
have Nancy Pelosi here telling everybody that, yes, in fact,
Biden should run for presidents again. Playuli twenty two. I
think President Biden should run again? Oh yes I do.
President Biden has been a great president for our country.
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He has accomplished so much ten million jobs, over ten
million jobs under his leadership, working with the private sector.
Of course, he has just done so many things that
are so great. We knew a lot more to show
to to I gotta say, Clay, now, it is to
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be fair. Nobody expected, and I think that's all seems
to be said. Democrats were terrified of what this midterm
election was going to look like, and there was a
hunter Republican votes out there. So this wasn't like we
were saying, that's why there's not a lot of haha,
we told you so, because they were having crying pity
parties days before the election even happened. But with this
election outcome, holding the Senate and a super narrow house
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majority for Republicans, I just don't even see how it's
feasible for Biden to give up the incumbency you would
have you and then I guess, I guess the argument
would be, then it's going to be Kamala and I
will say that even Democrats, no, Kamala not gonna get
it done in twenty twenty four for voters. Right, So Biden,
(32:37):
it's like a brand, right, I mean for Biden, Biden
running for re election. For Democrats, it's like Coca Cola.
They're just saying, yeah, Biden. The fact that he gets
confused and practically falls off the stage, and even when
he was in his prime, he never really had a fastball.
I just don't say, did you think that's fair enough?
I don't see short of I mean, God forbid, but
short of like an actual unforeseen health issue, I don't
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see how he cannot run at this point. That's my
biggest takeaway is I think there were a lot of
people prepared. And this was my theory. I thought that
Republicans would take the House comfortably, and I thought Republicans
would take the Senate and Biden would be the sort
of guy who was trotted out to take the fall
that he would be ultimately forced out. Fuck when again,
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the most devastating result to me of the entire twenty
twenty two race was John Fetterman winning by four points
in Pennsylvania. Because the lesson that Democrats took there again.
We have to re engineer that John Fetterman vote and
figure out what they're doing to harvest ballots and get
big wins in a state like Pennsylvania. Okay, the lesson
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to me there is, if they'll vote for a guy
who can't speak and truly cannot do the job to
be the Pennsylvania Senator, why in the world would the
Biden people not look at those results and say, we're
gonna win Pennsylvania. Look, Michigan, Buck Michigan, we got our
asses kicked up and down the ballot. Republicans got wrecked
(34:06):
in Michigan. They're looking at those results and they're saying,
we got Pennsylvania, we got Michigan, Arizona. It doesn't look
like we're gonna break through with any of those candidates.
I still hope Carrie Lake's gonna win, but she hasn't
broken through yet, and they're looking and saying we're gonna
win Arizona. Maybe in Georgia they're nervous because of what
Brian Kemp did. But in these toss up states, there
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isn't a lot of reason if you're a Joe Biden
person to think that you're not going to be able
to drag him weekend in Bernie's two style across the
finish line. And if I'm sitting there, if I'm gonna
be in the you know, White House Rasputin role here, right,
the guy whispering things into Biden's ears. Apparently actually Rasputin
gets a tough he gets a bad rat for it. Hey,
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we can talk about that another time. But if I'm
gonna be in the Resputen role here, if I'm gonna
be the guy whispering in Biden's ear, I think it's
very clear that the move is for them to have
Biden run again. Keep everything where it is. He's the president,
everything's fine, incumbent, see all that stuff, and then you
have him stepped down, maybe even before them in terms,
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and then it's and then you say, oh, but it'll
be president Kamala. But yeah, but at that point they'll
already have secured you know, it'll be president. Get to
run as an incumbent, then even better for twenty twenty eight, correct, right,
because then she has the presidential powers. And to the
extent she's an awful candidate. Maybe if you're a Democrat
and you're thinking ahead, maybe you'd think if she does
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just not an awful job as president. She strengthened in
twenty twenty eight, having her run again after being president
for a couple of years. Let's just say, is a
whole different ball game than she's just up now. Now
it's Biden's done, She's the one, you know, she's the
one who's going to be, you know, taking over in
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a general election center. I just don't I don't see that.
I don't see that happening. But look, future is very
hard to predict. Clay, I want to can I take
us into a direction that I don't think was anticipate.
We don't have our guests in the next second, dude,
we have him a third thirty because we're gonna talk
about Ukraine and the Russian pullback from Croisans. It's a
big deal militarily, but not not right away. I want
(36:14):
to tell everybody about what could be one of the
biggest bankruptcies of all time, looking at possibly fifty billion
dollars in liability from this FTX crypto exchange. Now know
a lot of you aren't into cryptocurrency, some of you are.
This guy also was the second biggest individual donor two
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Democrats in this last election cycle, and when you hear
what a mess this thing is, could be a harbinger
or rough things ahead for the economy, certainly for the
crypto markets. And he's a big Democrat. We'll talk about it.
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