January 21, 2023 • 37 mins
Five more classified docs found at Biden home after KJP said multiple times that the search was complete. Buck forced to eat quail eggs. He says, "Felt a little fancy at first. But mainly you feel like Paul Bunyan cracking them." FBI honors King, who J. Edgar Hoover's FBI spied on and Clay says "tried to get to commit suicide!" Hoover was right about communist infiltration of America, including the civil rights movement. Boston celebrates the life and legacy of MLK with $10M woke “penis” statue.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Monday MLK Day edition. Clay
Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out
with us. We rolled through the Monday edition of the program.
I'm sure a lot of you are not like Buck,
but a little bit like man that you watched gorged
(00:23):
on NFL football over the weekend. We got a big game.
They will quiz Buck later to see if he can
figure out who might be playing on Monday Night football
in an epic tilt, which would be one of the
most watching rg. He doesn't have any clue. The Bucks
send the Cowboys Bucks is gonna be one of it
and actually similar to your name that the Tampa Buccaneers
and the Dallas Cowboys are gonna have one of the
(00:44):
most watched television events of the year tonight in the
NFL playoffs. So we'll see how that goes. But we
have got so much fun to have with you guys
to day. Ron Johnson, Senator from Wisconsin, is going to
join us at one thirty stern. He's our only guests.
We'll open up phones, We'll have a lot of conversations here,
But we begin with the continued fallout of the Joe
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Biden classified documents, just total unmitigated disaster. On I believe
it was Saturday morning, Buck, there was the announcement that
five additional classified documents had been found in Joe Biden's residence.
That came after Karine Jean Pierre had told us all
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at least six different times that the search was complete
and there were no more documents to be found. Listened
to our esteemed White House Press secretary. The search is
clearly complete. They completed the search. The search is complete.
He is confident in this process. You should asume that
it's been completed. Guests, after the search concluded last night,
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that search was completed last night. I mean, this is incompetent,
even for Joe Biden, on a level of incompetence that
has to boggle many Democrats minds. And Buck, one of
the things that's crazy, as you would know specifically about this,
how in the world did it come to be the
case that the people who are searching for classified documents
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don't actually have the ability to see classified documents as
they don't have the security clearance. That seems like kind
of a big flaw in the process. You if you're
going to have any kind of a classified documents issue,
have to have a lawyer that has clearance as well.
For example, so if you're going to be dealing with
a classified documents case and if they're going to be
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handling and seeing them any capacity, those the rules that
you know. Even if you return and you're somebody who
is going to be seeing, you know, a a therapist.
Let's say you're gonna be talking to them about things.
You generally, if you're going to talk about your work,
want to have a classified the classified capable therapist. I mean,
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these are sort of the things people don't realize how
many life never have even thought about that. But yeah, right,
if you're gonna talk, if you look, if you're if
you're a Delta Force guy and you come back and
you want to have someone you can talk to about
some of that stuff, or if you're intelligence community or whatever,
you know, you're not allowed to break this. You know,
you're you've you've got to find somebody who's actually cleared
for classified information period, lawyers, you name it all, all
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kinds of folks. Why were the lawyers sent in Clay,
Why were the lawyers sent in to look at this stuff.
Understand that of all the documents that they had, there
are only a handful that are classified, which makes people think,
I believe understandably they were looking for something when they
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were moving you would have to stop and get Now,
maybe not in the garage because you know they're by
the by the core event. You know, maybe those are
dangling out there by some oily rags and you know,
some some cans of Fanta, remember fantah? Yeah, still out there,
You're still out there? Oh yeah, okay, yeah, So that's
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something that you could maybe stumble upon. But in the
context of what they're talking about here, why were they
looking and why were they going? And also, he's the
President United States. He must have access to more people
with class with a security clearance at his fingertips than
literally any other person on the planet. Right. I mean
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that the president says I want to head the CIA,
and here he's down there in fifteen minutes in the
White House. Right, that's the way, depending on traffic, that's
the way that it works. And so there's just something
that doesn't add up here. I have thought. I still
think that the appointment now of the Special counsel is
their version of all, right, we have no choice, will
do this thing, but we're just going to go through
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the motions. But even if they're just going through the
motions with the special counsel, what something doesn't add up
here on why anybody was even finding these documents in
the first place. Honestly, why they wouldn't just it's illegal, sure,
but why they wouldn't just dispose of them right away?
Something fun is happening, and if there was a plausible
explanation for it all, we would have already heard it, right,
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I mean, if there was something that makes sense, The
fact that we haven't been told, I think tells us
a lot. So that's my big question is why were
these documents found in his office in the first place.
We don't know exactly who the person was who found
these classified documents. But Buck, you've moved a few times, right,
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I've fortunately not had to move that almost almost a
dozen times as an adult. You were saying a few times,
I've moved a lot. Okay, so a dozen times as
an adult. If something is already boxed up and you
are moving, what do you usually do with the box?
You move the box without looking inside. To go through
all the things inside of the document. Because remember the
initial story we heard was they are moving the boxes
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out of Joe Biden's presidential I mean out of his
Penn Biden Center, his office that he had when his
time as vice president did in Washington, DC. Why was
the lawyer moving the boxes? Right? None of this adds
up in the first place because Joe Biden's lawyer, I
bet costs a thousand dollars an hour. Of all the
people that you could have moving things, it's an expensive compensa. Plus,
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I don't think. I don't think this guy who you
know went to Columbia law school whatever, is strapping on
one of those you know, there's like lumbar support belt
you know, yeah, yeah, one of the lumbar support belts,
and every I don't so why are they moving around
these things? Also pro tips since you brought up that
I've moved so many times. Just they'll tell everybody this.
We'll get back this discussion in the second. Closets first,
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I always tell everybody this, you gotta empty, you gotta
take everything out of the closets for because otherwise you'll
get behind. Because the closets is where you store every
clay to be honest, and if you're not, I'm gonna
have I'm gonna have Laura come on here. She could
tell us the truth. Do you guys have a couple
of closets you just stuff stuff into. You're just like
the closets so well organized. I don't know where anything is.
I swear to God, you could ask any object in
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this house within thirty seconds, she'll be no, exactly where
it is. Okay, well, that's amazing. But for most people
the closet is where they just stuff, and usually there's
one or two of them where you just put stuff
in there. So you empty out the closets first, and
moving will take twice as long and be twice as
annoying as you think it is in terms of the
actual hours and the process. That's mine. Yeah, no, you're
picking up That's where they found these documents. Evidently, yes,
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was in the closet of the Biden office. So my
thought on it is, first of all, it's strange that
you have a lawyer supposedly moving to boxes. Second, even
the report that they have out there that this lawyer
opened a box, then opened a folder, then pulled papers
out and found that some of them were marked classified.
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That's not a move, that's a search, Which is why
I think, Buck, that this story has still not come out.
Somebody tipped off Joe Biden. I don't know who it
was that he had documents that they needed back at
the archives that were necessary, and I think that's what
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started this whole search, because it doesn't make sense that
you would go, Remember, I mean, he's had these documents
since twenty seventeen, right since he left the White House
theoretically as vice president in twenty seventeen. He's had these
documents for five years, and suddenly you find them. Why
were they looking for them? And what do these documents
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have inside of them? It still doesn't answer the question necessarily, Buck,
why they turned it into such a big story. My
guess is the only thing that makes sense is that
they were looking for something and they knew because they
had been told that they had it. They knew that
they couldn't just make this story disappear because somebody knew
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that they had the documents and it might go public
because otherwise, I come back to the point you've made, Buck,
which is why did this lawyer decide to notify everybody
that he found them classified. Now I'll be very clear
of everybody here. I mean, in case there's a lot
of people listening to this because of either military or
or you know, intel backgrounds that have dealt with classified documents.
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If this lawyer or whoever this was, took these pieces
of paper, took them to a just a commercial shredder
that you would have in any the chance of anyone
ever knowing or finding out about this would be zero, unless,
to your point, somehow there was some reason that it
was already known outside the Biden circle of trust. Somebody
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outside of Biden's inner circle hadn't know. But because I
gotta tell you, if you've got a consul Yary, which
when you talk about your personal lawyer, hoping that's your
consul Yerry godfather fans out there, you know your lawyer
who was your counsel on all things, and you got
to keep him. You gotta keep him at all times,
you know, clean of the of the dirty and illegal work.
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If that guy, though, doesn't know to just get rid
of the classified docs that you have, you got a problem.
I said, which is why, Buck, I think, remember how
all the attention came in form for President Trump. I
think a lot of it was connected to that Kim
John letter because it was famous enough that somebody knew
it existed. It wasn't in the National archives. I really
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do think Trump was showing it to people, probably at
moral ago. And this is where you get into you
could make an argument, Clay, I was a classification authority,
meaning I went through the training and was like, legally
I could classify first round classified documents, and there's a
whole process and procedure of how you're supposed to go
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through that. But sometimes it's more art than science, my man.
You know, it's a judgment call. And so two president
or rather two heads of state, a dictator and Trump
having a conversation. You could argue that merely a private
conversation between Kim Jong oun and Donald Trump, because it
might give some insight into Kim Jong uns thinking. You
could argue that that's you know, classified. You could even
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argue's classied at a pretty high level if it's a
private conversation that they had, but doesn't really the affect
national security. Yeah, really, you know that's why I wonder
if they're and I don't know what that in, what
that document might be or documents might be that Joe
Biden kept because they had some sort of historical relevance
to him. But we're also significant in the historical record. Again,
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I'm just trying to hypothesize. Sometimes you have to create
why this story exists. I don't think these documents were
accidentally discovered. That's and so he has something that maybe
they got tipped off he shouldn't have had. And look,
if we're going to take some lessons from history about
all this, everybody listening, you all remember Sandy Sandy Burger, uh,
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Sandy Burglar as everybody was calling him for a while,
of who's took He was Clintons, sorry, Clinton's national security
advisor who took documents and actually stuffed them down his
pants and into his socks from the National Archives. And
I believe they were classified hand handwritten notes of the president.
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And there was a lot of theorize about what it was,
but we knew that essentially it was stuff that made
Bill Clinton look bad. It was stuff that on a
national security side, was damaging to the administration and made
Sandy Burger look bad probably too, And he took that
stuff out they caught him. I wonder I forget the
details of how I assume he just walked out and
they're like, hey, why is this dude walking out of
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the nasheal archives have pants full of papers? You know
what's going on with that? And he ended up getting
a security clearance suspension and something, you know, nothing nothing
major though, No jail time or anything like that. But
administration figures sometimes do want to doctor the record, do
want access to aspects of the record that affect them
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and their reputations. You gotta remember we're talking about true
egomaniacs here, folks well and a lot of people. Again,
I think we could take some calls on this, because
I'm open to what your theories might be as well.
But why did this story begin? Because some people have said, well,
this is about a cover up, and I understand that
argument on some level, but saying hey, we've got classified
documents is such a massive spotlight on yourself that it
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seems the exact opposite of what you would do if
you were trying to cover something up. I also think
that there is a little bit of shock that has
set in among Democrats because, starting right around August of
last year, the new you must hate Trump Trump, you know,
Orange Man bad, all that stuff was a function of
his mishandling of classified documents. Right, that was the whole thing.
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And now this is why every mainstream Democrat news source
that you read about with this clay. I'm sure you've
seen this New York Times, Reuters, thereways go. It's either
in the article or it's like the article you click
on the bottom. Is why the Trump and Biden documents
are not the same thing, you know, whither, why the
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Biden thing is much less of a big deal. Always, always, always,
because their audience is going, wait a second, but we
had an FBI rate and stuff. Yeah they did, didn't they?
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fancy for a second, so I was buying quail egg
What was the difference. Would you have known the difference
(16:28):
between quail eggs and regular eggs? The differences you feel
like Paul Bunyan because you have to at like, yeah,
fifteen of them to actually have enough for your scrambled eggs.
You know, you're just sitting there. You feel like a
like a giant, you know, fi fi faux FuMB I'm
eating my quail eggs. But yeah, that's that's something that
I had to deal with recently. So the shortages are
(16:50):
hitting us in all, Kay, have you ever had quail eggs? Not?
I mean not that I'm aware of. I feel like
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play Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. It's MLK Day.
Many of you are still working, some of you are
off work. But every MLK Day, I'm always kind of
entertained by the ridiculousness of the FBI deciding from their
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official Twitter handles that they want to wish Martin Luther
King Day best wishes, whatever you want to classify it.
I'll read, and then Buck, we'll discuss here for a
moment why I've never been that big of a trustworthy
fan of the FBI. On this fortieth anniversary of MLK Day,
as a federal holiday, the FBI honors one of the
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most prominent leaders of the civil rights movement and reaffirms
its commitment to doctor King's legacy of fairness and equal justice.
For all they spied on Martin Luther King, the FBI did,
attempted to get him to commit suicide, threatened him regularly
with imprisonment. This was one of j Edgar Hoover's big obsessions.
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And if you really want to study the FBI and
maybe then take a step back and say I'm not
sure that I trust the leadership of the FBI to
this day because I do not the entire j Edgar
Hoover era of the FBI. Buck Is. I think maybe
it's one of the least discussed aspects of American history
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because it's so sortid and so nasty what he was
involved in. But Buck, it's pretty crazy, and I think
it's a It's an element of history that I would
encourage everybody to pay attention to because it makes me
and I bet we'll make you a little bit more
understanding of how the Russia collusion hoax and all that
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could happen. When you read about the j Edgar Hoover
era of the FBI, well, the era was fifty yea.
He led a long time. So when you think about it,
I mean, Jagger, whoever led the FBI for nearly half
a century from nineteen twenty four until nineteen seventy two,
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and something isn't amazing. I mean when you hear them,
you go, I mean, that's that's like Fauci duration in
government service. That's that's very long. But also I think
it is worth noting this is a little bit of
a step away from the MLK specific FBI activities. But
the left and therefore the Democrat Party in this country
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hates Hoover because he was an anti communist and was
effectively right about the communist medacine communist threat in this country.
It's amazing when people throw around these terms. I'll say, oh,
it's the new McCarthy ism and red scare, and we're
all supposed to act like this was the great rise
of fascism in America. Communists stole literal nuclear secrets from
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our nuclear program, gave them to the Soviets, who then
were able to detonate nuclear weapons of their own, and
probably you could argue was instrumental in the North Korean
invasion of South Korea leading to the Korean War. I mean,
when when you start looking at the effects of the
communist penetration of this country, which has been almost entirely
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whitewashed from our history, and people people really think, they go, oh,
all this McCarthys them all the scare. There were hundreds
and this is from the Venona Project, which was a
top secret military Effectively, they were able to surveil or
had tapped into cable traffic, diplomatic cable traffic, back to
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the Soviet Union, back to Moscow. There were hundreds of
actual communist Soviet agents in the United States. It was
all true, it was all real. They were at the
State Department there, at the OSS which then became the CIA,
They were in the White House. And the rewriting of
the history is amazing and deeply troubling because I think
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people graduate from school now, Clay and they think there
was no communist part of USA had people who were
being straight uphandled by the KGB. This is all fact,
and it is completely pushed out because labor unions, the
Democrat Party, there was a lot of coziness there with
these commies who had very very anti American designs on
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this country. So anyway, I just I think that they
hate Hoover for a lot of reasons. But that's one
of the main reasons they hate Hoover, or rather why
he's turned into such a villain. Well, and that was
the reason that he justified the surveillance of Martin Luther
King was the idea that the civil rights movement was
infiltrated by communist you know, it was they were communists everywhere, right,
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But this is the point. I mean, there were communists
who infiltrated these things because Clay anywhere where they could
anywhere where the Soviets could exercise leverage but also create
dissension in America they thought was to their strategic advantage. So,
you know, this is the this is the truth, which
is why China story is. It seems like there's finally
starting to be recognition about the fact that China has
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been using our American cultural institutions to try to tear
downfucious institutes and donating. Oh, the Penn Biden Center got
how much I mean or you know, the Upen after
the Penn Biden Center got set up, got how many
millions of dollars from it? This is Universities, by the way,
are one of the main ways that foreign governments, even
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oppositional governments like China to the United States, exercise influence here.
It is a huge problem. It's also a massive cover
that is used for espionage operations. As we know with
I mean that there are all these Chinese nationals who
are saying, oh, yeah, I want to go if you
go and study at the highest level, you know, nuclear
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engineering at you know, Caltech or MIT or something, you're
gonna maybe come into not only you being trained at
the highest level, but you also may be coming into
contact with sensitive government programs depending on your access and
who you're working with. Well, and I see it in
a big way because I came out of the world
of sports with the way that China has used propaganda
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from American athletes to tear down the legitimacy and justification
of American institutions while simultaneously not saying a word about
China's human rights violations and authoritarian government. Lebron James a
perfect example of this. Anytime anything remotely bad happens in
the United States, the United States government is awful, and
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a lot of people followed Lebron's lead, and we certainly
see it in the movie industry. We certainly see it
in Hollywood, the amount of money that China has spent
to allow itself while while they are enabling and endorsing
destrictive comments about the United States, they don't allow a
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word to be said negative about their own government. The
first way, the first place that authoritarian, totalitarian, communist, you
name it, theot theocratic pardon me, the first way that
regimes whether you're talking about China, iran good on the
list North Korea. You know what their first attack on
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America always is pretty much, we're so racist, Yeah, which
is amazing coming from country like North Korea, which is
basically built on a hierarchy of racial superiority of North
Koreans over everybody else, and everybody else is subhuman. But anyway,
the point is they just they try to exacerbate the
divisions within our own country for their benefit, or really
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to exaggerate the divisions in our own country, because as
anyone who spent enough time and a lot of other
parts the world, we're telling you, America is actually the
example of all of us getting along incredibly well. I
think there's a very strong argument America is the least
racist country that's ever existed in the history of the world,
and certainly being lectured by China, which doesn't allow immigration effectively.
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Right in North Korea, good Ward, I mean that that
is a crazy man's country. But they use our own
internal critics criticisms against us and try to blow them
up on a global scale. Now, neither you nor I
would consider ourselves to be we are. I think Clay's
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movie taste is very solid. I have to say, I
thought there's something we might be able to go back
and forth and fight a little war, but generally speaking,
you know, most of the time, I'm like, yeah, no,
he's right, that's a great movie. So we're both I think,
high level movie critics, but art in sculpture not really
in either of our Like, I'm not a guy who
goes wandering around the galleries in Chelsea talking about how
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you know, yes, this painting with just two stripes across
it that looks like a five year old could do
this is man's inhumanity to man or you know whatever,
right you come up with something on the spot. However,
I do think there are some limits to what we
all rather. There's some basics that we can all agree
on when it comes to art and sculpture. They unveil
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new sculpture because we got to talk about it when
we come back. We got to have a little discussion
about the new MLK honoring sculpture in Boston is where
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they unveiled it. So it is, And just think about it.
If you can unveil a sculpture dedicated to Martin Luther
King basically on Martin Luther King Day and it can
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play an Buck. We cover a lot of grounds here.
It's one of the things we do on this show,
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a wide range of topics. Obviously the news and politics
and what's going on with all that. First and foremost
is a politics show, so what's going on show? But
we do culture, we do food. I was just talking
about quail eggs they're quite delicious. As I said, you know, crack,
they're a little tough to crack. They're tiny, but it's
kind of fun. And if you get them just right, Clay,
it looks like you've got a tiny little Friday egg
(30:40):
like you would, you know, like you would make for
like a dollhouse or something. You've a tiny little Frida egg. Anyway,
I know it's random, but I'm just saying, this is
what does. The egg shortage is a real thing going
on across the country right now, and apparently also the
baby formula shortage. We cover a lot of ground. Occasionally
we get into artistic criticism, and that's where we are
right now. What's fascinating about this is you would think
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you would think that to criticize a new statue that
was meant to show respect to Martin Luther King on
Martin Luther King Day, that that would be just be
on the pale. Nobody would ever do such a thing. Well,
in this case, kind of everybody's doing it, or a
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lot of people are doing it. I wouldn't say everybody,
but a lot of folks are just on artistic grounds.
This is nothing. This has nothing to do with Martin
Luther King, his legacy, anything else. It's just who made
the statue. It's called the Embrace, and it's by the
artist Hank Willis Thomas. So I'm not going to be
I'm not going to be getting this guy to make
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my bust, you know. I think that's you know, I'm
not I'm not quite a bust level yet, Clay, but
maybe one day so symbolize the hug doctor King and
Coretta Scott King shared after doctor King won the nineteen
sixty four Nobel Peace Prize. Here's the way the Washington
Post wrote wrote about it. Martin Luther king Junior statue
in Boston draws online mockery and disdain. Now even now
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some people on the left were upset about this because
where's his head? Yeah, which is a fair like why
are you just showing arms and hands? It could be anybody,
you know, It doesn't there's nothing about this that would
No person would walk past this and be like, ah, yes,
commemorating the greatness of doctor Martin Luther King and the
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you know, the revolution injustice and racial in a racial
healing or a path the Rachel healing for this country.
They would look at this and say, what is this
And I'm not trying I'm not trying to I'm just
observing here. When people look at the sculpture from certain directions,
all they do is they say, I can't believe somebody
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didn't see this the way I'm seeing it, because this
is not what they we're trying to go for here
it looks like a gigantic penus from certain angles, which
I mean, I guess if you wanted to be memorialized,
there are worse ways to be memorialized. But ten million
dollars they spent on this thing. And I you know,
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sometimes art in the immediate aftermath of its creation gets ridiculed, right.
For instance, the Vietnam War Memorial, if you have been
to it in Washington, DC, very powerful and amazing. I
think quite beloved initially was not thought to be a
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great representation of a memorial. I don't think that this
this sculpture is going to have that kind of trajectory
where as people spend more time around than it becomes
more beloved. I also wonder you do a lot of
different mocks before you make a sculpture. How is it
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possible that this guy came up with this design and
everybody said, this is a ten million dollar art project.
We love it? Is it? And I don't even know
what's the what's the racial background of this guy? Were
people afraid to criticize an MLK sculpture design white people
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because they were afraid they'd be called racist if they
pointed out that it looked ridiculous? I bet well that
that happened. I think that's very lot. I think it's,
by the way, irrespective of who the artist designing this
may be, I think that there's just a nobody would
be willing along this process to say anything, and certainly
(34:51):
to say this is to some people. Um, I'm trying
to think of how to how to say this, Clay,
you just said it, but there and there are some
anatomical associations that are unintentional. That's the best way I
could put this. That when people look at this, they
go okay, yeah, links like something else. I think if
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you are a white guy or girl, who is the
kind of person that would be on the board raising
ten million dollars for an MLK statue, you are so
terrified of saying anything racially inappropriate, particularly as it connotes
to a MLK sculpture that there were probably a lot
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of people who saw this and thought, and I'm not
sure this is ten million dollars well spent. I'm not
sure this honors doctor King's legacy very well. But they
were afraid to speak out because this is what diversity
inclusion does. A big part of diversity inclusion is knowing
who is allowed in their world, who is allowed to
have an opinion, and who is it buck these white
(35:57):
people who inevitably helped to raise some of this ten
million dollars or terrified of being considered uh ghost, of
being considered inappropriate, of not being diverse and inclusive enough
to even I bet say a word of criticism about design.
Think about if there's like a design art committee here.
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I mean, just put yourself in this position, Clay, You're
going around, You're you're in the room, if you're if
you're having a conversation about this sculpture, you're talking about
people who are artists, people who are you know, on
the cutting edge of culture. You're gonna have a lot
of people announcing pronouns, very very sensitive to the the
wokeness of the moment. You think any of them are
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gonna say anything about this design that undermines it in
any way. No, and so what you have, Like I said,
go and go to claimbuck dot com. It's really about
the angle you look at it. I'm just gonna say
that from certain angles it's certain it's a gigantic penis.
I'm just telling you to look at it from certain
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angles and then just wonder how could they not have
seen what we all see
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Monday MLK Day edition. Clay
Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out
with us. We rolled through the Monday edition of the program.
I'm sure a lot of you are not like Buck,
but a little bit like man that you watched gorged
(00:23):
on NFL football over the weekend. We got a big game.
They will quiz Buck later to see if he can
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and actually similar to your name that the Tampa Buccaneers
and the Dallas Cowboys are gonna have one of the
(00:44):
most watched television events of the year tonight in the
NFL playoffs. So we'll see how that goes. But we
have got so much fun to have with you guys
to day. Ron Johnson, Senator from Wisconsin, is going to
join us at one thirty stern. He's our only guests.
We'll open up phones, We'll have a lot of conversations here,
But we begin with the continued fallout of the Joe
(01:09):
Biden classified documents, just total unmitigated disaster. On I believe
it was Saturday morning, Buck, there was the announcement that
five additional classified documents had been found in Joe Biden's residence.
That came after Karine Jean Pierre had told us all
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at least six different times that the search was complete
and there were no more documents to be found. Listened
to our esteemed White House Press secretary. The search is
clearly complete. They completed the search. The search is complete.
He is confident in this process. You should asume that
it's been completed. Guests, after the search concluded last night,
(01:51):
that search was completed last night. I mean, this is incompetent,
even for Joe Biden, on a level of incompetence that
has to boggle many Democrats minds. And Buck, one of
the things that's crazy, as you would know specifically about this,
how in the world did it come to be the
case that the people who are searching for classified documents
(02:14):
don't actually have the ability to see classified documents as
they don't have the security clearance. That seems like kind
of a big flaw in the process. You if you're
going to have any kind of a classified documents issue,
have to have a lawyer that has clearance as well.
For example, so if you're going to be dealing with
a classified documents case and if they're going to be
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handling and seeing them any capacity, those the rules that
you know. Even if you return and you're somebody who
is going to be seeing, you know, a a therapist.
Let's say you're gonna be talking to them about things.
You generally, if you're going to talk about your work,
want to have a classified the classified capable therapist. I mean,
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these are sort of the things people don't realize how
many life never have even thought about that. But yeah, right,
if you're gonna talk, if you look, if you're if
you're a Delta Force guy and you come back and
you want to have someone you can talk to about
some of that stuff, or if you're intelligence community or whatever,
you know, you're not allowed to break this. You know,
you're you've you've got to find somebody who's actually cleared
for classified information period, lawyers, you name it all, all
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kinds of folks. Why were the lawyers sent in Clay,
Why were the lawyers sent in to look at this stuff.
Understand that of all the documents that they had, there
are only a handful that are classified, which makes people think,
I believe understandably they were looking for something when they
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were moving you would have to stop and get Now,
maybe not in the garage because you know they're by
the by the core event. You know, maybe those are
dangling out there by some oily rags and you know,
some some cans of Fanta, remember fantah? Yeah, still out there,
You're still out there? Oh yeah, okay, yeah, So that's
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something that you could maybe stumble upon. But in the
context of what they're talking about here, why were they
looking and why were they going? And also, he's the
President United States. He must have access to more people
with class with a security clearance at his fingertips than
literally any other person on the planet. Right. I mean
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that the president says I want to head the CIA,
and here he's down there in fifteen minutes in the
White House. Right, that's the way, depending on traffic, that's
the way that it works. And so there's just something
that doesn't add up here. I have thought. I still
think that the appointment now of the Special counsel is
their version of all, right, we have no choice, will
do this thing, but we're just going to go through
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the motions. But even if they're just going through the
motions with the special counsel, what something doesn't add up
here on why anybody was even finding these documents in
the first place. Honestly, why they wouldn't just it's illegal, sure,
but why they wouldn't just dispose of them right away?
Something fun is happening, and if there was a plausible
explanation for it all, we would have already heard it, right,
(05:05):
I mean, if there was something that makes sense, The
fact that we haven't been told, I think tells us
a lot. So that's my big question is why were
these documents found in his office in the first place.
We don't know exactly who the person was who found
these classified documents. But Buck, you've moved a few times, right,
(05:29):
I've fortunately not had to move that almost almost a
dozen times as an adult. You were saying a few times,
I've moved a lot. Okay, so a dozen times as
an adult. If something is already boxed up and you
are moving, what do you usually do with the box?
You move the box without looking inside. To go through
all the things inside of the document. Because remember the
initial story we heard was they are moving the boxes
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out of Joe Biden's presidential I mean out of his
Penn Biden Center, his office that he had when his
time as vice president did in Washington, DC. Why was
the lawyer moving the boxes? Right? None of this adds
up in the first place because Joe Biden's lawyer, I
bet costs a thousand dollars an hour. Of all the
people that you could have moving things, it's an expensive compensa. Plus,
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I don't think. I don't think this guy who you
know went to Columbia law school whatever, is strapping on
one of those you know, there's like lumbar support belt
you know, yeah, yeah, one of the lumbar support belts,
and every I don't so why are they moving around
these things? Also pro tips since you brought up that
I've moved so many times. Just they'll tell everybody this.
We'll get back this discussion in the second. Closets first,
(06:37):
I always tell everybody this, you gotta empty, you gotta
take everything out of the closets for because otherwise you'll
get behind. Because the closets is where you store every
clay to be honest, and if you're not, I'm gonna
have I'm gonna have Laura come on here. She could
tell us the truth. Do you guys have a couple
of closets you just stuff stuff into. You're just like
the closets so well organized. I don't know where anything is.
I swear to God, you could ask any object in
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this house within thirty seconds, she'll be no, exactly where
it is. Okay, well, that's amazing. But for most people
the closet is where they just stuff, and usually there's
one or two of them where you just put stuff
in there. So you empty out the closets first, and
moving will take twice as long and be twice as
annoying as you think it is in terms of the
actual hours and the process. That's mine. Yeah, no, you're
picking up That's where they found these documents. Evidently, yes,
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was in the closet of the Biden office. So my
thought on it is, first of all, it's strange that
you have a lawyer supposedly moving to boxes. Second, even
the report that they have out there that this lawyer
opened a box, then opened a folder, then pulled papers
out and found that some of them were marked classified.
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That's not a move, that's a search, Which is why
I think, Buck, that this story has still not come out.
Somebody tipped off Joe Biden. I don't know who it
was that he had documents that they needed back at
the archives that were necessary, and I think that's what
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started this whole search, because it doesn't make sense that
you would go, Remember, I mean, he's had these documents
since twenty seventeen, right since he left the White House
theoretically as vice president in twenty seventeen. He's had these
documents for five years, and suddenly you find them. Why
were they looking for them? And what do these documents
(08:25):
have inside of them? It still doesn't answer the question necessarily, Buck,
why they turned it into such a big story. My
guess is the only thing that makes sense is that
they were looking for something and they knew because they
had been told that they had it. They knew that
they couldn't just make this story disappear because somebody knew
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that they had the documents and it might go public
because otherwise, I come back to the point you've made, Buck,
which is why did this lawyer decide to notify everybody
that he found them classified. Now I'll be very clear
of everybody here. I mean, in case there's a lot
of people listening to this because of either military or
or you know, intel backgrounds that have dealt with classified documents.
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If this lawyer or whoever this was, took these pieces
of paper, took them to a just a commercial shredder
that you would have in any the chance of anyone
ever knowing or finding out about this would be zero, unless,
to your point, somehow there was some reason that it
was already known outside the Biden circle of trust. Somebody
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outside of Biden's inner circle hadn't know. But because I
gotta tell you, if you've got a consul Yary, which
when you talk about your personal lawyer, hoping that's your
consul Yerry godfather fans out there, you know your lawyer
who was your counsel on all things, and you got
to keep him. You gotta keep him at all times,
you know, clean of the of the dirty and illegal work.
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If that guy, though, doesn't know to just get rid
of the classified docs that you have, you got a problem.
I said, which is why, Buck, I think, remember how
all the attention came in form for President Trump. I
think a lot of it was connected to that Kim
John letter because it was famous enough that somebody knew
it existed. It wasn't in the National archives. I really
(10:13):
do think Trump was showing it to people, probably at
moral ago. And this is where you get into you
could make an argument, Clay, I was a classification authority,
meaning I went through the training and was like, legally
I could classify first round classified documents, and there's a
whole process and procedure of how you're supposed to go
(10:33):
through that. But sometimes it's more art than science, my man.
You know, it's a judgment call. And so two president
or rather two heads of state, a dictator and Trump
having a conversation. You could argue that merely a private
conversation between Kim Jong oun and Donald Trump, because it
might give some insight into Kim Jong uns thinking. You
could argue that that's you know, classified. You could even
(10:55):
argue's classied at a pretty high level if it's a
private conversation that they had, but doesn't really the affect
national security. Yeah, really, you know that's why I wonder
if they're and I don't know what that in, what
that document might be or documents might be that Joe
Biden kept because they had some sort of historical relevance
to him. But we're also significant in the historical record. Again,
(11:18):
I'm just trying to hypothesize. Sometimes you have to create
why this story exists. I don't think these documents were
accidentally discovered. That's and so he has something that maybe
they got tipped off he shouldn't have had. And look,
if we're going to take some lessons from history about
all this, everybody listening, you all remember Sandy Sandy Burger, uh,
(11:40):
Sandy Burglar as everybody was calling him for a while,
of who's took He was Clintons, sorry, Clinton's national security
advisor who took documents and actually stuffed them down his
pants and into his socks from the National Archives. And
I believe they were classified hand handwritten notes of the president.
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And there was a lot of theorize about what it was,
but we knew that essentially it was stuff that made
Bill Clinton look bad. It was stuff that on a
national security side, was damaging to the administration and made
Sandy Burger look bad probably too, And he took that
stuff out they caught him. I wonder I forget the
details of how I assume he just walked out and
they're like, hey, why is this dude walking out of
(12:26):
the nasheal archives have pants full of papers? You know
what's going on with that? And he ended up getting
a security clearance suspension and something, you know, nothing nothing
major though, No jail time or anything like that. But
administration figures sometimes do want to doctor the record, do
want access to aspects of the record that affect them
(12:48):
and their reputations. You gotta remember we're talking about true
egomaniacs here, folks well and a lot of people. Again,
I think we could take some calls on this, because
I'm open to what your theories might be as well.
But why did this story begin? Because some people have said, well,
this is about a cover up, and I understand that
argument on some level, but saying hey, we've got classified
documents is such a massive spotlight on yourself that it
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seems the exact opposite of what you would do if
you were trying to cover something up. I also think
that there is a little bit of shock that has
set in among Democrats because, starting right around August of
last year, the new you must hate Trump Trump, you know,
Orange Man bad, all that stuff was a function of
his mishandling of classified documents. Right, that was the whole thing.
(13:36):
And now this is why every mainstream Democrat news source
that you read about with this clay. I'm sure you've
seen this New York Times, Reuters, thereways go. It's either
in the article or it's like the article you click
on the bottom. Is why the Trump and Biden documents
are not the same thing, you know, whither, why the
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Biden thing is much less of a big deal. Always, always, always,
because their audience is going, wait a second, but we
had an FBI rate and stuff. Yeah they did, didn't they?
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(16:08):
there's a baby formula shortage which is not getting much attention,
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was the only eggs available. Now I felt kind of
fancy for a second, so I was buying quail egg
What was the difference. Would you have known the difference
(16:28):
between quail eggs and regular eggs? The differences you feel
like Paul Bunyan because you have to at like, yeah,
fifteen of them to actually have enough for your scrambled eggs.
You know, you're just sitting there. You feel like a
like a giant, you know, fi fi faux FuMB I'm
eating my quail eggs. But yeah, that's that's something that
I had to deal with recently. So the shortages are
(16:50):
hitting us in all, Kay, have you ever had quail eggs? Not?
I mean not that I'm aware of. I feel like
it's something that's on a menu where you know, like
one of my buddies you used to always talk about
how you know, the fancy or restaurant you go to
describes things that aren't actually true, like he was, like,
I was at a place recently where they had a
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(17:12):
he's like wind swept, Like, I mean, I guess anywhere
where something grows outside could be wind swept. So I
feel like the answer is, yes, I've had quail eggs,
but it's been like as part of some medley dish
that I had that I was, you know, choosing, but
not directly choice. I like my greens drenched in carbon
dioxide and yes, receiving lots of sunlight, so you know,
(17:35):
you know, I'm talking about sun dappled tomatoes. Like when
they described the food in a way that doesn't have
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I've had quail eggs there, but not by choice. That's
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start talking about fancy wines, which is something else that
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play Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. It's MLK Day.
Many of you are still working, some of you are
off work. But every MLK Day, I'm always kind of
entertained by the ridiculousness of the FBI deciding from their
(19:26):
official Twitter handles that they want to wish Martin Luther
King Day best wishes, whatever you want to classify it.
I'll read, and then Buck, we'll discuss here for a
moment why I've never been that big of a trustworthy
fan of the FBI. On this fortieth anniversary of MLK Day,
as a federal holiday, the FBI honors one of the
(19:46):
most prominent leaders of the civil rights movement and reaffirms
its commitment to doctor King's legacy of fairness and equal justice.
For all they spied on Martin Luther King, the FBI did,
attempted to get him to commit suicide, threatened him regularly
with imprisonment. This was one of j Edgar Hoover's big obsessions.
(20:08):
And if you really want to study the FBI and
maybe then take a step back and say I'm not
sure that I trust the leadership of the FBI to
this day because I do not the entire j Edgar
Hoover era of the FBI. Buck Is. I think maybe
it's one of the least discussed aspects of American history
(20:31):
because it's so sortid and so nasty what he was
involved in. But Buck, it's pretty crazy, and I think
it's a It's an element of history that I would
encourage everybody to pay attention to because it makes me
and I bet we'll make you a little bit more
understanding of how the Russia collusion hoax and all that
(20:51):
could happen. When you read about the j Edgar Hoover
era of the FBI, well, the era was fifty yea.
He led a long time. So when you think about it,
I mean, Jagger, whoever led the FBI for nearly half
a century from nineteen twenty four until nineteen seventy two,
(21:12):
and something isn't amazing. I mean when you hear them,
you go, I mean, that's that's like Fauci duration in
government service. That's that's very long. But also I think
it is worth noting this is a little bit of
a step away from the MLK specific FBI activities. But
the left and therefore the Democrat Party in this country
(21:33):
hates Hoover because he was an anti communist and was
effectively right about the communist medacine communist threat in this country.
It's amazing when people throw around these terms. I'll say, oh,
it's the new McCarthy ism and red scare, and we're
all supposed to act like this was the great rise
of fascism in America. Communists stole literal nuclear secrets from
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our nuclear program, gave them to the Soviets, who then
were able to detonate nuclear weapons of their own, and
probably you could argue was instrumental in the North Korean
invasion of South Korea leading to the Korean War. I mean,
when when you start looking at the effects of the
communist penetration of this country, which has been almost entirely
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whitewashed from our history, and people people really think, they go, oh,
all this McCarthys them all the scare. There were hundreds
and this is from the Venona Project, which was a
top secret military Effectively, they were able to surveil or
had tapped into cable traffic, diplomatic cable traffic, back to
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the Soviet Union, back to Moscow. There were hundreds of
actual communist Soviet agents in the United States. It was
all true, it was all real. They were at the
State Department there, at the OSS which then became the CIA,
They were in the White House. And the rewriting of
the history is amazing and deeply troubling because I think
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people graduate from school now, Clay and they think there
was no communist part of USA had people who were
being straight uphandled by the KGB. This is all fact,
and it is completely pushed out because labor unions, the
Democrat Party, there was a lot of coziness there with
these commies who had very very anti American designs on
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this country. So anyway, I just I think that they
hate Hoover for a lot of reasons. But that's one
of the main reasons they hate Hoover, or rather why
he's turned into such a villain. Well, and that was
the reason that he justified the surveillance of Martin Luther
King was the idea that the civil rights movement was
infiltrated by communist you know, it was they were communists everywhere, right,
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But this is the point. I mean, there were communists
who infiltrated these things because Clay anywhere where they could
anywhere where the Soviets could exercise leverage but also create
dissension in America they thought was to their strategic advantage. So,
you know, this is the this is the truth, which
is why China story is. It seems like there's finally
starting to be recognition about the fact that China has
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been using our American cultural institutions to try to tear
downfucious institutes and donating. Oh, the Penn Biden Center got
how much I mean or you know, the Upen after
the Penn Biden Center got set up, got how many
millions of dollars from it? This is Universities, by the way,
are one of the main ways that foreign governments, even
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oppositional governments like China to the United States, exercise influence here.
It is a huge problem. It's also a massive cover
that is used for espionage operations. As we know with
I mean that there are all these Chinese nationals who
are saying, oh, yeah, I want to go if you
go and study at the highest level, you know, nuclear
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engineering at you know, Caltech or MIT or something, you're
gonna maybe come into not only you being trained at
the highest level, but you also may be coming into
contact with sensitive government programs depending on your access and
who you're working with. Well, and I see it in
a big way because I came out of the world
of sports with the way that China has used propaganda
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from American athletes to tear down the legitimacy and justification
of American institutions while simultaneously not saying a word about
China's human rights violations and authoritarian government. Lebron James a
perfect example of this. Anytime anything remotely bad happens in
the United States, the United States government is awful, and
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a lot of people followed Lebron's lead, and we certainly
see it in the movie industry. We certainly see it
in Hollywood, the amount of money that China has spent
to allow itself while while they are enabling and endorsing
destrictive comments about the United States, they don't allow a
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word to be said negative about their own government. The
first way, the first place that authoritarian, totalitarian, communist, you
name it, theot theocratic pardon me, the first way that
regimes whether you're talking about China, iran good on the
list North Korea. You know what their first attack on
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America always is pretty much, we're so racist, Yeah, which
is amazing coming from country like North Korea, which is
basically built on a hierarchy of racial superiority of North
Koreans over everybody else, and everybody else is subhuman. But anyway,
the point is they just they try to exacerbate the
divisions within our own country for their benefit, or really
(26:34):
to exaggerate the divisions in our own country, because as
anyone who spent enough time and a lot of other
parts the world, we're telling you, America is actually the
example of all of us getting along incredibly well. I
think there's a very strong argument America is the least
racist country that's ever existed in the history of the world,
and certainly being lectured by China, which doesn't allow immigration effectively.
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Right in North Korea, good Ward, I mean that that
is a crazy man's country. But they use our own
internal critics criticisms against us and try to blow them
up on a global scale. Now, neither you nor I
would consider ourselves to be we are. I think Clay's
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movie taste is very solid. I have to say, I
thought there's something we might be able to go back
and forth and fight a little war, but generally speaking,
you know, most of the time, I'm like, yeah, no,
he's right, that's a great movie. So we're both I think,
high level movie critics, but art in sculpture not really
in either of our Like, I'm not a guy who
goes wandering around the galleries in Chelsea talking about how
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you know, yes, this painting with just two stripes across
it that looks like a five year old could do
this is man's inhumanity to man or you know whatever,
right you come up with something on the spot. However,
I do think there are some limits to what we
all rather. There's some basics that we can all agree
on when it comes to art and sculpture. They unveil
(28:00):
a new MLK sculpture. It is up on clanbuck dot com.
I would I would ask anybody listening right now if
you can if you're obviously not if you're driving, safety first,
but if you're near a smartphone or a computer and
you can go to clanbuck dot com check out this
new sculpture because we got to talk about it when
we come back. We got to have a little discussion
about the new MLK honoring sculpture in Boston is where
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they unveiled it. So it is, And just think about it.
If you can unveil a sculpture dedicated to Martin Luther
King basically on Martin Luther King Day and it can
be publicly criticized on CNN, it's probably a sculpture that's
not that great of a sculpture. Just toss that out.
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play an Buck. We cover a lot of grounds here.
It's one of the things we do on this show,
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a wide range of topics. Obviously the news and politics
and what's going on with all that. First and foremost
is a politics show, so what's going on show? But
we do culture, we do food. I was just talking
about quail eggs they're quite delicious. As I said, you know, crack,
they're a little tough to crack. They're tiny, but it's
kind of fun. And if you get them just right, Clay,
it looks like you've got a tiny little Friday egg
(30:40):
like you would, you know, like you would make for
like a dollhouse or something. You've a tiny little Frida egg. Anyway,
I know it's random, but I'm just saying, this is
what does. The egg shortage is a real thing going
on across the country right now, and apparently also the
baby formula shortage. We cover a lot of ground. Occasionally
we get into artistic criticism, and that's where we are
right now. What's fascinating about this is you would think
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you would think that to criticize a new statue that
was meant to show respect to Martin Luther King on
Martin Luther King Day, that that would be just be
on the pale. Nobody would ever do such a thing. Well,
in this case, kind of everybody's doing it, or a
(31:25):
lot of people are doing it. I wouldn't say everybody,
but a lot of folks are just on artistic grounds.
This is nothing. This has nothing to do with Martin
Luther King, his legacy, anything else. It's just who made
the statue. It's called the Embrace, and it's by the
artist Hank Willis Thomas. So I'm not going to be
I'm not going to be getting this guy to make
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my bust, you know. I think that's you know, I'm
not I'm not quite a bust level yet, Clay, but
maybe one day so symbolize the hug doctor King and
Coretta Scott King shared after doctor King won the nineteen
sixty four Nobel Peace Prize. Here's the way the Washington
Post wrote wrote about it. Martin Luther king Junior statue
in Boston draws online mockery and disdain. Now even now
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some people on the left were upset about this because
where's his head? Yeah, which is a fair like why
are you just showing arms and hands? It could be anybody,
you know, It doesn't there's nothing about this that would
No person would walk past this and be like, ah, yes,
commemorating the greatness of doctor Martin Luther King and the
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you know, the revolution injustice and racial in a racial
healing or a path the Rachel healing for this country.
They would look at this and say, what is this
And I'm not trying I'm not trying to I'm just
observing here. When people look at the sculpture from certain directions,
all they do is they say, I can't believe somebody
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didn't see this the way I'm seeing it, because this
is not what they we're trying to go for here
it looks like a gigantic penus from certain angles, which
I mean, I guess if you wanted to be memorialized,
there are worse ways to be memorialized. But ten million
dollars they spent on this thing. And I you know,
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sometimes art in the immediate aftermath of its creation gets ridiculed, right.
For instance, the Vietnam War Memorial, if you have been
to it in Washington, DC, very powerful and amazing. I
think quite beloved initially was not thought to be a
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great representation of a memorial. I don't think that this
this sculpture is going to have that kind of trajectory
where as people spend more time around than it becomes
more beloved. I also wonder you do a lot of
different mocks before you make a sculpture. How is it
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possible that this guy came up with this design and
everybody said, this is a ten million dollar art project.
We love it? Is it? And I don't even know
what's the what's the racial background of this guy? Were
people afraid to criticize an MLK sculpture design white people
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because they were afraid they'd be called racist if they
pointed out that it looked ridiculous? I bet well that
that happened. I think that's very lot. I think it's,
by the way, irrespective of who the artist designing this
may be, I think that there's just a nobody would
be willing along this process to say anything, and certainly
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to say this is to some people. Um, I'm trying
to think of how to how to say this, Clay,
you just said it, but there and there are some
anatomical associations that are unintentional. That's the best way I
could put this. That when people look at this, they
go okay, yeah, links like something else. I think if
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you are a white guy or girl, who is the
kind of person that would be on the board raising
ten million dollars for an MLK statue, you are so
terrified of saying anything racially inappropriate, particularly as it connotes
to a MLK sculpture that there were probably a lot
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of people who saw this and thought, and I'm not
sure this is ten million dollars well spent. I'm not
sure this honors doctor King's legacy very well. But they
were afraid to speak out because this is what diversity
inclusion does. A big part of diversity inclusion is knowing
who is allowed in their world, who is allowed to
have an opinion, and who is it buck these white
(35:57):
people who inevitably helped to raise some of this ten
million dollars or terrified of being considered uh ghost, of
being considered inappropriate, of not being diverse and inclusive enough
to even I bet say a word of criticism about design.
Think about if there's like a design art committee here.
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I mean, just put yourself in this position, Clay, You're
going around, You're you're in the room, if you're if
you're having a conversation about this sculpture, you're talking about
people who are artists, people who are you know, on
the cutting edge of culture. You're gonna have a lot
of people announcing pronouns, very very sensitive to the the
wokeness of the moment. You think any of them are
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gonna say anything about this design that undermines it in
any way. No, and so what you have, Like I said,
go and go to claimbuck dot com. It's really about
the angle you look at it. I'm just gonna say
that from certain angles it's certain it's a gigantic penis.
I'm just telling you to look at it from certain
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angles and then just wonder how could they not have
seen what we all see
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