March 18, 2023 • 36 mins
GOP presidential contenders on Ukraine. Trump goes after DeSantis again. Buck doesn't like the "DeSanctus" nickname. Trump voters call in, want him to stop attacking DeSantis. David McCormick, former hedge fund CEO and PA Senate candidate, talks to Buck about breaking news and his new book: "Superpower in Peril: A Battle Plan to Renew America." Buck takes calls, including a Florida Trump voter not bothered by attacks on DeSantis.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast, Our two of Clay in Buck gets
going right now, everybody, thank you very much for being here.
And the positions of various GOP contenders on Ukraine. It's
something that got a bit of attention last night. Tucker
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Carlson reached out his show and reached out to contenders
for the GOP domination because we now have a full
scale war going on in Europe between two advanced industrialized
economies and one of them has a whole lot of
nukes and a whole lot of energy reserves, and this
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is a big deal. It's also in the backdrop of
all the things we're seeing economically play out right now too.
You can't just leave all this stuff on the side.
This is factoring into the sense of public unease right now.
And I'll tell you this, Does it feel like things
are good right now in the country honestly economically? Does
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it feel like things are good? On the world stage.
Biden is soon to be out there telling everybody he
is running for reelection and what a great economy it is.
I mean, he's going to make these claims. The media
is going to back him up. And I'm just here
to tell you they're lying to you. They're lying. Do
you you know that? But get ready for it because
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it should annoy you. It should be something that you
find very frustrating. There should be a part of you
that feels like, Wow, they are brazen, because what's their
alternative to admit that Biden is an imbecile to agree
with Republicans that many of the things, whether it's the
reduction in pursuing fossil fuels that has happened because of
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the Biden administration, the decisions that have been made across
the board when it comes to regulation, taxation, that all
these things make us poorer, more depressed, less free as
a nation, less prosperous. No, they're never going to met
any of that. But Biden's got his handsful right now
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because there's only so much the media can do to
make things seem better than they are. And on the
issue of Ukraine and Russia, I do think that the
GOP is going to have a bit of a fight
on its hands here. Internally, Democrats are they're the party
of if there's a war that we can fund or
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fight in that doesn't actually benefit America, Democrats are all in.
Democrats and Lindsay Graham, sign them up, I mean, not
to fight, but sign them up to send your children
and your money to that conflict. Republicans at least tend
to be more likely to there a lot of there's
a lot of provisos, a lot of caveats in this
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because I just mentioned that Lindsay Am but there are
others as well. But there are at least conservatives within
the GOP tent who if there's gonna be a war,
it's to protect us and protect our interests. Maybe maybe
they're wrong about those interests, or maybe they're miscalculating, but
at least that's their purpose. So what are we doing
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in Ukraine right now? And one are the various candidates
for on the Republican side think about it. I thought
it was very interesting that you had Ron de Santis,
who is not yet running for president, and everyone is
assuming that he will run, but we're not certain of
that obviously hasn't happened yet. Here's what he shed about
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America's objective in Ukraine. And again hat tip to Tucker's
show forgetting this information. And Tucker read this on Fox
last night without question Peace should be the objective. The
US should not provide assistance that could require the deployment
of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage in offensive
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operations beyond its borders. F sixteens and long range missiles
should therefore be off the table. These moves would risk
explicitly drawing the United States into the conflict and drawing
US closer to a hot war between the world's two
largest nuclear powers. That risk is unacceptable. I agree that
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risk is unacceptable. I think that is an eloquent and
well thought out position from Rhonda Santists on this one.
Trump was in Iowa, and I mean he put this in.
He also responded in writing, but I thought that he'd
better to hear this that Trump said, this is clip three.
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He is the only candidate who will make this promise
that he will prevent World War three. Play it standing
before you today. I am the only candidate who can
make this promise I will prevent World War three, because
I really believe you're going to have he will prevent
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world Now, that's an important promise to be able to keep.
That's something that really we all, you know what we're all.
I would well, I think all Democrats would even go
along with that one. Certainly all same people would go
along with wanting a future Trump administration to be successful
in keeping the promise of averting World War three. I
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think that's a that's a big deal. We all know that,
So that's a central issue. I think you're going to
see this getting fought out a whole lot more in public.
I also think you're going to see an increase in
the kinds of technology and the personnel and everything else
that the Russians and the Ukrainians are putting onto their
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front lines. Going into the spring fighting season, the Russians
have reportedly had a massive call up of more not
just reserve US but conscripts. So this is going to
be a fight that gets even bloodier, and it's going
to go on for years. And the US has to
understand now and has to have the discussion now about
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what our objectives are war and peace. This stuff really matters,
matters to all of us. We've gone through twenty years
of the American people having our men and women in
uniform deployed overseas. Trump got us to the end of it.
Biden did pull the troops out of Afghanistan, and you know,
I keep saying this because I just want to make
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sure that we don't have four more years of Democrat
because that's really forget. Biden is just the puppet Democrat regime,
Democrat apparatus running the country. He is going to point
to Afghanistan as a success, and it's going to resonate
with a lot of people, not the war as a success,
obviously the withdrawal, because memories are fading about what a
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debacle the actual withdrawal was and who we left behind
mind and all people will know is when Biden says,
you know, I pulled out the troops. He did, so
that's going to be a useful narrative for him. The
same way you're seeing Biden moderate on he's moditoring on
fossil fuels. You see, he just is going to approve
this project. The environmentalists are all upset about it. He's
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moderated on police. See he's saying we need more cops
and he's not defund the police. And the Biden that
you and I know, as in the Democrat administration that
currently exists, isn't what is going to be presented to
swing voters to independence and Arizona Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Pennsylvania.
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You get it. That's not what's what All the ads
they're gonna run and all the media narrative is going
to be, Oh, Joe Biden. Yeah, he's a moderate, he's
a moderate. I want to get to how much of
a lie that is in a moment, but I want
everyone to understand that that's where this is going, that
the reality of Joe. You're not running against the reality
of Joe Biden, a decrepid, old buffoon who spent decades
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doing whatever would keep him in power in Delaware as
a senator, you know, as a machine politician for the
Democrat Party who was a joke to Democrats until five
minutes ago. That's not who you ran against. Was, you know,
moderate normalcy, always always grinning at people and saying that
he feels their pain, and yeah, you know, we're all
just human beings. Let's all just hug it out. It
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was the whole thing was a farce. He's the president.
Now you're going to be running against the fiction that
they're able to create with grains of truth behind it
about Joe Biden. So understand that. Okay, that's one part
of this and then there's this from from Donald Trump.
I am a two time Trump voter. I think that
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Donald Trump, I'm wait, yes, sorry, two times I was
like he didn't get two terms. Two time Trump voter
obviously voted from in twenty sixteen and in twenty twenty.
I think Trump did a very good job as president.
There are some areas where I wish things had been
a little different, but overall, a very good job as president.
And I think that he has a lot to bring
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to the table now and I think he could be
a very good president in his second term. I also
think that he needs to have people around him who
will tell him the truth, the truth about some of
the positions he's taken. By the way, recently, some of
the videos he's put out, some of the policy ideas
really engaging, really worthwhile stuff shows both the ability to
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learn and the ability to project division for the future
that I think would be quite good for the country.
But then there's other stuff that comes out sometimes and
I just look at this and I say, what is this?
What is this all about? Why is Trump taking this approach?
Who is advising him or maybe it's just Trump himself,
but he needs advisors then to tell him, this is
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not the way, sir, talk about you as the leader
of the party with great ideas that will raise up
all Republicans and with it the entire nation be bigger
than some of the petty stuff. This isn't twenty sixteen.
You're not the guy that everyone's laughing at who has
to show everybody who you know, the real, the real
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alpha dog is right that it's not twenty sixteen. You
have been the president. There has to be a change.
And I bring it up because that he put out
this video and I want you to hear it. And
if you think I'm missing this or whatever, by all means,
I want to open up the lines. Like I said,
I want to encourage the best of Trump, the best
of his ideas, the best of what he's got. And
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you know we are in a primary officially, and so
when I see this video, I think, no, no, no,
this is not This is not people. By the way
people say that it's it's funny. If I say maga,
they say you're supposed to say maga. And if I
say maga, people yell at me and say it's supposed
to be maga. I mean, I think this is tomato Tomato. Right. Anyway,
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here is Donald Trump praising well you'll hear for yourself.
Play clip one. For those of you that didn't notice,
Florida was doing great long before Rond Sanctus got there.
People are fleeing from New York to Florida and other
places because of high taxes and out of control crime.
It's really bad, not because of the governor. Thank you,
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mister President for doing that. But it's not because of
the governor. Florida was doing fantastically. You had a governor
named Rick Scott who did a very good job. Even
Charlie Chris the Democrat, did a good job, but he
had very good numbers. Sunshine and ocean are very alluring.
It's not too hard to work with those factors. So
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just remember Florida was doing really well long before Rond
Sanctis got there. Okay, first of all, this Sanctus nickname
Trump Trump's nicknames used to crumble his opponents. Okay, a
low energy Jeb. Jeb never covered for his presidency, never
or a presidential campaign. Never recovered from that little Marco
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right with with Marco Rubio that was at the time.
And by the way, some people say that this stuff
is unfair and it's childish, But I'm just saying, at
the time these things worked, say what you will about them,
they worked. The sanctus I don't, I don't. I don't
think so, I don't. I guess it's sanctimony, is what
we're kind of going for here. It's just it's not
clever enough, it's not worthy of Trumpian nickname. It's just
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it's just not gonna work. So I'm here to just
be honest with all of you about what I see
happening here in this primary. Look, it's still super early.
Descendus isn't even in the primary, so why is he
attacking a popular Republican governor. And then on the issue
of what's happened in Florida, if all of you knew,
the number of people in conservative media who have moved
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to Florida in the last three years is mind blowing.
There's been nothing like this ever before in my lifetime
in this country. So many of your favorite commentators, TV, radio, podcasts,
you name it have moved to Florida and either doing
partially you know, six months of the year or something
like that, or here year round. And it's because this
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has become a symbol of something, something is happening in
this state that the right and conservatism is seizing on.
There's a momentum here. And you see this from the
eight hundred thousand people who have I'm in Florida right now.
You see this from the eight hundred thousand people who
have moved to Florida since the beginning of the pandemic.
You see this from the lowest crime rate the state
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has had in fifty years. It's always it's always had
great weather, it's always had you in recent memory, at
least low or no state taxes on income. So that's
not going to cut it. And it was the best
state to be in during COVID. I know because I
was in New Yorker who had come down to Florida
during COVID to experience normalcy when other states and other
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places I remember, I mean Texas, I was very disappointed
in Texas during the pandemic. I love the state of Texas.
I've thought about moving there to live many times in
my life. But during the pandemic, Abbott was not very good.
He got better, he got you know, he got wise
on La COVID and lockdowns, but it took him a
while Florida was the best state during the pandemic. We
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have to be honest here about what happened, where we
had our victories, where we had our losses. And when
you have not a single statewide elected Republican in Florida
for the first time since the Civil War, that's different.
That's not a normal thing. Praising Charlie Christ. First of all,
he was a Republican when he ran the state, which
is hilarious because Charlie Christ has literally been a Republican,
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a Democrat, and an independent. But this is not the way.
This is not the way for Trump. I want. I
want more of the ideas. I want more of the leader.
I want the narrative. You know, there's a there's a
time and a place for the brawling and the fighting.
But for me, this it just didn't work. If you
think I'm wrong by all means, let me know. If
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there are some Trump voters out there, and I mean
obviously a lot of Trump voters, I mean people for
whom Trump is the only option, the only option to
take on Biden. If you like this or didn't like
this ad, let me know. I'm very curious. Eight hundred
two to eight eight two We'll get into some of
that later on in the hour. So I think that's
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very It's look, it's it's gonna be a heck of
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into an insane world. Welcome back. We got David McCormick,
former CEO of Bridgewater, a huge hedge fund, a candidate
for US Center to Combat Veteran He'll be up with
us in a few minutes. Great time to talk to
him because of all the stuff going on with the banks,
in the economy, corey in Arab Alabama. I didn't know
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that was a place. Good to meet you, Cory. What's
going on? Hey? I mean, I'm a two time voter,
big Chump supporter, but I really feel like Florida as
a state we have to win to get the presidency back.
And if Tom keeps backing hisanas, I thought I were
going to lose Florida and it just it just bruats
my heart. Man, look me too, Thank you for for
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calling him my friend. I'm look. I voted for Trump twice.
I'm a big Trump supporter in general. But I'm just
trying to be honest about where I think he's going.
Diane from Virginia, What have you got for us? Diana?
I just can't support him the way he is now.
I voted for him twice. Just cannot believe his anger
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nine two three two six nine. Welcome back to Clay
(18:59):
an Buck. We have David McCormick with us now. He
is the former CEO of the Hedgewater of the Hedge
Fund Rather Bridgewater, candidate for US Senate in Pennsylvania in
the last election cycle. A combat veteran West Point graduate,
author of a new book that is out now, Superpower
in Peril, a battle plan to renew America. David, good
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to have you back on the program. Hey Bus, thanks
for having me. I appreciate it. So we got a
couple of things, big things to get into here. First
of all, breaking news just in the last couple of minutes,
a Russian jet has collided with a US drone over
the Black Sea and international airspace. I want to get
into all the banking stuff. You ran Bridgewater, one of
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the biggest hedge funds in the world. You know the
banking stuff very well. But first tapping into your combat
veteran side. You went to West Point, you have served
in different government national security related roles. How concerned are
you about the trajectory right now in Ukraine. Well, I'm
very concerned about it in the sense that you know,
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Putin is an aggressor here h He has challenged a
sovereign sovereignty of Ukraine. And I think we are in
the right position to be supporting the Ukrainians because I
think it's in US interest. But we got to do
that with a lot of care, and we got to
make sure the things that we're sending there aren't being
corrupted and used in ways it's inconsistent with the mission.
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And we got to be careful and incidents like you
describe are the things that are unexpected. We got to
be careful that US troops don't in any way get
drawn in. So I'm I'm among those who think what's
happening in Ukraine is an important US interest. I think
China is watching carefully. But I also understand those who
are skeptical, and we have to be careful not to
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get drawn into something bigger. Now, all under the financial
side of things, there's a lot of message to clean
up right now in a bunch of different a bunch
of different areas of the world. Yeah, so tell us.
I mean, first of all, is the bailout, the backstopping,
whatever it is, is this the right thing to do?
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How do you see things as they are right now?
Before we get into where the financial and sector and
economics sector are going, But what do you think about
what they've done up to this point? Well, I think
you got to start and I'll be very brief, but
you've got to look at how we got here because
it answers part of your question. So we are here
because of excess excess over the last ten years in
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terms of too much fiscal spending, but extreme excess in
the last two years under Joe Biden, enormous amount of spending,
forty percent increase in discretionary spending. We're an all time
high in our debt of thirty one trillion dollars. And
that excess of spending has been matched with extremely low
interest rates for more than a decade. And as a
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consequence of that, we have inflation. And that inflation is
something we got to control. And so the Fed, ironically,
in trying to help stop the problem it created, raised
interest rates quickly. And now we've got a gap between
the assets and the liabilities, and that is across the
whole banking sector. It's not just across the SBB, and
that's the macro problem. Now. Second SBB, Silicon Valley Bank
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wasn't terribly man is a bank terrible risk management. It's
appropriate that the whole leadership team got fired. But the
regulators made a big mistake here. The San Francisco Federal
Reserve should have known this. It's obvious what was going
to happen when interest rates rise, that the balance sheets
on the banks are gonna be underwater. They're gonna have
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to sell assets. And because these assets were so the
deposits are so concentrated. It's created a real problem, not
just for Silicon Valley Bank, but for others. Now, in
terms of what the government has done, I think it's
it's appropriate the equity holders lose their lose their money.
I think it's appropriate that the credit holders lose their money.
I'm very concerned about the bailout of these uninsured deposits
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and a mun I'm concerned for two reasons. First, you know,
the guy who had the landscaping business and landscaped Silicon
Valley Bank and the company would have ten thousand dollars.
He lost that ten thousand dollars. But the rich Silicon
Valley venture capitalist got one hundred percent on their dollars,
and that seems wrong, that seems inappropriate. Second, we got
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a moral hazard. We got a moral hazard problem where
there's eight trillion dollars of uninsured bank deposits. And so
did we now just set a precedent where we're going
to bail out eight trillion dollars of uninsured bank deposits
if we need to. I don't think so. So we're
sending a dangerous precedent, and that for that reason I
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would oppose it opposed a bailout of any kind. We're
speaking of David McCormick. He's a former combat veteran ran
for Senate in Pennsylvania in a tough primary there against
doctor Oz and also is the author of a new
book that is out, Superpower in Peril, about a plan
to New America. All right, David, where is this all going?
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I mean credit suites? Back to the financial thing, because
people are worried about their money, I think rightfully, so
they're worried about their savings, and they're worried about their jobs.
So what happens now? I mean credit suits? They're saying,
has I think that, you know, systemic issues or something.
There is some term that they used to say, it's
not looking good over there. And there are some other
banks I'm sure that also have similar problems, maybe not
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as badly as SVB. But do you feel like this
is the beginning of a real plunge or is this
something that if we handle appropriately or is handled appropriately,
we're not heading into a major recession. Well, one of
the things I've I've learned along the years is to
just have humility about the ability to predict anything. Here,
I would say that a couple things. In response to
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your question, The biggest important thing in banking is to
have confidence. Confidence in the banking system. The deposits that
old people put in the banks are not available to
take out because they lend those, so there's a fraction
of the deposits available. So people have to have eidence,
and the government's try to take steps to put confidence
in place. We'll see how much it works. The underlying
problem that I described, where people have bought assets and
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had long duration assets and now they're worth a lot
less is a big problem. And the inflation that we
have in our economy is likely going to lead the
Fed to raise rates to the point where we go
into recession, and that is going to be very challenging
for our economy. And it's part of the broader thing
I try to address in my book about Superpower Imperil.
I think this is just evidence of a decline. America's
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in decline economically from a national security perspective. Spiritually, and
decline is not inevitable, but neither is renewal. It depends
on what we do. And so my book Superpower Imperil
lays out the plan for educating our people for confronting
China and for securing America, and part of that is
to get our fiscal house in order and to get
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back to more normal policy. We've lived in access for
a long time, and whenever there's access, there creates all
sorts of distortions in the markets. And that's what we're
dealing with right now. Is there any way you think
realistically that the Fed will be able to navigate these
interest rate raises without plunging us into what even the
Biden administration will have to admit is a recession. Yeah, Listen,
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I think it's gonna be very difficult. And you know,
if you go back and I just read recently the
book about Paul Volker during his time there, and what
happens with inflation is there's you know, if you take
the pedal off too quickly and lower rates too quickly,
inflation comes back. And so you've got to break the
back of inflation both with your movements, with your moves
and interest rates, but also with your rhetoric and signaling.
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And I think it's going to be very difficult not
to be very tough minded on inflation, because the inflation
has an insidious impact on our economy and is very
challenging for politically, so I think we're likely to go
into recession. I think it's likely going to be a
tough period, and that's why I think a renewal agenda
is really important. There's lots of problems in the country
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just beyond the economic ones you and I are talking about,
and so my argument in the book is that we
need leadership as conservatives that's going to put great candidates
forward that can win primaries and win general elections. Is
going to put a positive agenda forward for how to
solve these problems and uh, and it's going to do
the work to get absentee ballots and voter registration so
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we can win elections and take the country in the
right direction. And this book is meant to be a
blueprint for how to do that. A battle plan to
renew america superpower in Peril is the book Before let
you Go, David, you're thinking about running for president because
this book looks like the kind of book somebody might
write if they were running for president. Well, first, I
started writing the book before I ran for the Senate.
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At this point, now that the books time, my wife
did tell me I got to get a job of
some sort bucks. So I don't I don't think. I
don't think she's very open minded about that. But I
have I have been thinking about running for the Senate
in Pennsylvania. I've not decided yet. There's twenty four centator
CASEYC will be open for election, and so we'll think
about that and pray about it and make a decision
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later this year. I suspect catch it. So maybe running
for something fair enough. David McCormick, everybody's superpower and peril. David,
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a great vacation in Italy. He'll be back on Monday.
We have some calls in here, Randy in a brass
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You are a Democrat who may go right, Well, Randy,
you're in the right place. How do we convince you
to come on into the light? Well? Buck quick calling
me a communist and all those nasty things. But maybe
you're not a commy. Maybe you're one of the old
school Democrats that actually was open to reason, insanity, you
know what I mean. So there's a whole range, sir.
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I'm all alienated by my party. I'm a Christian, I'm
pro Second Amendment, I'm pro law enforcement, I'm pro military.
But sounds like you're a Republican. I don't know what
what is there left to figure out here? So keep going.
I'm also pro labor and a few other and I'm
pro public schools, so there are some issues there. And
I am pro choice, but that doesn't mean i'm pro abortion.
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You know, you guys, the Republicans, you're always saying we've
got to get the independence to vote for us. Yeah,
I think you can get the independence to vote for you,
especially the way my party's been going. But open the door.
There there are those of us Democrats. Open the door.
You know the guy that comes on the air following
this show on my station. Oh nope, nope, nope, nope, nope,
(31:11):
we're not gonna We're not. Are you saying he opens
the door and is good about this? Or well? No,
I just want to say, he's kind of like did
you ever see the movie Boogie Nights? No, no, no,
we're not, We're not, don't. I don't know who it is,
but I don't want to thank you Randy for calling in.
I don't want anyone talking about any of the other
shows that may be coming on after or before this,
because they're not here to respond one way or the other.
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And uh, I mean, if it's any of my syndicated
brethren on Premiere, they're amazing talents and great guys. Charlie
in Miami, Charlie, what have you got, neighbor. Welcome to Miami.
Thank you, sir. I love Miami. It's fantastic. Hey definitely
born race here and love it myself, love the Santis,
(31:54):
love Trump. I'm at the point now where Trump we
gotta let Trump be up and you know, niceties and
trying to get along. That doesn't work anymore. And Trump
when he does this preemptive fire against Desantist, because Trump's
already said his number one foe, even though he hasn't
put his head in the ring, will be de Santist.
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So he's doing a little friendly fire. He's trying to
see if he can keep him out of the primary.
That's all he's doing. But now, so you're a Florist.
So this is interesting to me because I actually wanted
somebody who was a Trump person, who voted for him
and is still planning to vote for Trump in the
primary kind of no matter, I mean, assuming, no matter what, right,
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no most out. I has a Trump sticker still in
my car right right now. I got you. I got you.
So I wanted someone of your position to call in.
But what I'm wondering is you're also a Floridian. So
when Trump says that Desantist hasn't done great stuff in Florida,
you're a Floridian, you're a Miami in. I mean, how
it doesn't that land doesn't it sound like he's just
kind of blowing smoke? I mean, you can't think that's true. No,
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obviously not. I mean, Desantist has done a great job, right,
So so it sounds like you agree with me that
you know try I'm not saying Trump can't criticize Decantist
at all. I'm saying, let these guys play it on
the primary. I'm just saying the criticism that Desantists hasn't
done a good job as a Republican governor of Florida.
I mean, to me, this is like saying, you know
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that the number one guy in the PGA tour, I
don't even know who it is. Can't, you know, drive
a golf ball. Well, you know what I'm saying, Like,
it just doesn't. That's just not where you attack again.
I just I take it as friendly fire. I take
it as he's just trying to take de Santists off
the board now then later, because if De Santist is
off the board, who else has left? Nobody? And that's
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the reality. So once he clears the Santists, then he
can start focusing on j A Joe and go that round.
And he just said when he was in Iowa, he's
already laid down some of his platform. You know, he's
gonna prevent World War three, he's gonna go against Chatina,
he's gonna you know, he's Russia, He's gonna get back
in control. And so you're you're you're your Trump all
(34:04):
the way. And I wanted to hear from from somebody
who feels that way at this point. And uh, you
do love Florida though, too, which is great because I
also think, yeah, original original Floridian. Thank you for My
wife is an original Floridian. By the way, it's always uh,
always helpful. She's from the Orlando area. Rick in Wisconsin,
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what do you got for us? Rick? Hello, how are
you doing today? Sir? We're great all across America. We're fantastic.
What's going on? Well, I just wanted to weigh in
on this Trump issue. I don't think he should be
attacking to Santos. We're all on the same team here
and here in Wisconsin, we just had an election not
long ago, and we had two very strong Republican candidates
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who completely destroyed each other in the primary and that
made it very very easy for our Democratic governor to
we to rewin the election. And I just I don't
understand why we're attacking each other and making it easy
for the Democrats you know, Rick, I think that there's
there's criticizing, and then there's trying to destroy, right, and
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there there's a there's a fine line. I get that
they're gonna fight, thank you for calling and Rick, by
the way, They're gonna fight, They're gonna argue, they're gonna
have attacks against each other on different positions. M But
as long as it's on the policy and doesn't turn
into this person, I'll tell you. You know, people would say, oh, well,
(35:34):
Kamala called Joe Biden, you know, racist on stage. Yeah,
but Democrats call everybody racist. Right. So while that seemed
at the time like oh my gosh, that's unforgivable, Democrats
call everybody racist. So they could just say, you know,
you're not really racist. We call everybody racist, right, That's
what Democrats do. Um. I don't see Democrats usually trying
to destroy each other in a primary. I think sometimes
(35:56):
that does happen with Republicans. Maybe that's just my perception.
Who want to avoid that. We want to go. You know,
it's it's like they say in a boxing match at
the beginning the ref right, we want a good clean fight.
We want a good clean Primaria doesn't mean there's not
going to be shots throne. It just means nothing, you know,
no punches below the belt, no kidney punches or whatever.
You know. I don't know the boxing rules that well,
this is where I need clay clay, where are you
(36:17):
I need boxing rule help? But anyway, next hour we'll
be talking about the police situation in New York City.
They're getting a lot of cops that are leaving the
NYPD and they can't backfill them fast enough, so that's
gonna be a big problem for them. Also, Joe Biden
speaking to somebody on the Daily Show about transgender surgery
(36:39):
for kids. The moderate Joe Biden, that's what they say, right,
he's a moderate. You gotta hear what the current Democrat president,
who's supposed to be such a down the middle guy
thinks about transgender surgery for kids. Stick around,
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast, Our two of Clay in Buck gets
going right now, everybody, thank you very much for being here.
And the positions of various GOP contenders on Ukraine. It's
something that got a bit of attention last night. Tucker
(00:20):
Carlson reached out his show and reached out to contenders
for the GOP domination because we now have a full
scale war going on in Europe between two advanced industrialized
economies and one of them has a whole lot of
nukes and a whole lot of energy reserves, and this
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is a big deal. It's also in the backdrop of
all the things we're seeing economically play out right now too.
You can't just leave all this stuff on the side.
This is factoring into the sense of public unease right now.
And I'll tell you this, Does it feel like things
are good right now in the country honestly economically? Does
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it feel like things are good? On the world stage.
Biden is soon to be out there telling everybody he
is running for reelection and what a great economy it is.
I mean, he's going to make these claims. The media
is going to back him up. And I'm just here
to tell you they're lying to you. They're lying. Do
you you know that? But get ready for it because
(01:28):
it should annoy you. It should be something that you
find very frustrating. There should be a part of you
that feels like, Wow, they are brazen, because what's their
alternative to admit that Biden is an imbecile to agree
with Republicans that many of the things, whether it's the
reduction in pursuing fossil fuels that has happened because of
(01:51):
the Biden administration, the decisions that have been made across
the board when it comes to regulation, taxation, that all
these things make us poorer, more depressed, less free as
a nation, less prosperous. No, they're never going to met
any of that. But Biden's got his handsful right now
(02:12):
because there's only so much the media can do to
make things seem better than they are. And on the
issue of Ukraine and Russia, I do think that the
GOP is going to have a bit of a fight
on its hands here. Internally, Democrats are they're the party
of if there's a war that we can fund or
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fight in that doesn't actually benefit America, Democrats are all in.
Democrats and Lindsay Graham, sign them up, I mean, not
to fight, but sign them up to send your children
and your money to that conflict. Republicans at least tend
to be more likely to there a lot of there's
a lot of provisos, a lot of caveats in this
(02:58):
because I just mentioned that Lindsay Am but there are
others as well. But there are at least conservatives within
the GOP tent who if there's gonna be a war,
it's to protect us and protect our interests. Maybe maybe
they're wrong about those interests, or maybe they're miscalculating, but
at least that's their purpose. So what are we doing
(03:20):
in Ukraine right now? And one are the various candidates
for on the Republican side think about it. I thought
it was very interesting that you had Ron de Santis,
who is not yet running for president, and everyone is
assuming that he will run, but we're not certain of
that obviously hasn't happened yet. Here's what he shed about
(03:40):
America's objective in Ukraine. And again hat tip to Tucker's
show forgetting this information. And Tucker read this on Fox
last night without question Peace should be the objective. The
US should not provide assistance that could require the deployment
of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage in offensive
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operations beyond its borders. F sixteens and long range missiles
should therefore be off the table. These moves would risk
explicitly drawing the United States into the conflict and drawing
US closer to a hot war between the world's two
largest nuclear powers. That risk is unacceptable. I agree that
(04:23):
risk is unacceptable. I think that is an eloquent and
well thought out position from Rhonda Santists on this one.
Trump was in Iowa, and I mean he put this in.
He also responded in writing, but I thought that he'd
better to hear this that Trump said, this is clip three.
(04:44):
He is the only candidate who will make this promise
that he will prevent World War three. Play it standing
before you today. I am the only candidate who can
make this promise I will prevent World War three, because
I really believe you're going to have he will prevent
(05:09):
world Now, that's an important promise to be able to keep.
That's something that really we all, you know what we're all.
I would well, I think all Democrats would even go
along with that one. Certainly all same people would go
along with wanting a future Trump administration to be successful
in keeping the promise of averting World War three. I
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think that's a that's a big deal. We all know that,
So that's a central issue. I think you're going to
see this getting fought out a whole lot more in public.
I also think you're going to see an increase in
the kinds of technology and the personnel and everything else
that the Russians and the Ukrainians are putting onto their
(05:51):
front lines. Going into the spring fighting season, the Russians
have reportedly had a massive call up of more not
just reserve US but conscripts. So this is going to
be a fight that gets even bloodier, and it's going
to go on for years. And the US has to
understand now and has to have the discussion now about
(06:13):
what our objectives are war and peace. This stuff really matters,
matters to all of us. We've gone through twenty years
of the American people having our men and women in
uniform deployed overseas. Trump got us to the end of it.
Biden did pull the troops out of Afghanistan, and you know,
I keep saying this because I just want to make
(06:36):
sure that we don't have four more years of Democrat
because that's really forget. Biden is just the puppet Democrat regime,
Democrat apparatus running the country. He is going to point
to Afghanistan as a success, and it's going to resonate
with a lot of people, not the war as a success,
obviously the withdrawal, because memories are fading about what a
(06:56):
debacle the actual withdrawal was and who we left behind
mind and all people will know is when Biden says,
you know, I pulled out the troops. He did, so
that's going to be a useful narrative for him. The
same way you're seeing Biden moderate on he's moditoring on
fossil fuels. You see, he just is going to approve
this project. The environmentalists are all upset about it. He's
(07:20):
moderated on police. See he's saying we need more cops
and he's not defund the police. And the Biden that
you and I know, as in the Democrat administration that
currently exists, isn't what is going to be presented to
swing voters to independence and Arizona Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Pennsylvania.
(07:42):
You get it. That's not what's what All the ads
they're gonna run and all the media narrative is going
to be, Oh, Joe Biden. Yeah, he's a moderate, he's
a moderate. I want to get to how much of
a lie that is in a moment, but I want
everyone to understand that that's where this is going, that
the reality of Joe. You're not running against the reality
of Joe Biden, a decrepid, old buffoon who spent decades
(08:07):
doing whatever would keep him in power in Delaware as
a senator, you know, as a machine politician for the
Democrat Party who was a joke to Democrats until five
minutes ago. That's not who you ran against. Was, you know,
moderate normalcy, always always grinning at people and saying that
he feels their pain, and yeah, you know, we're all
just human beings. Let's all just hug it out. It
(08:29):
was the whole thing was a farce. He's the president.
Now you're going to be running against the fiction that
they're able to create with grains of truth behind it
about Joe Biden. So understand that. Okay, that's one part
of this and then there's this from from Donald Trump.
I am a two time Trump voter. I think that
(08:50):
Donald Trump, I'm wait, yes, sorry, two times I was
like he didn't get two terms. Two time Trump voter
obviously voted from in twenty sixteen and in twenty twenty.
I think Trump did a very good job as president.
There are some areas where I wish things had been
a little different, but overall, a very good job as president.
And I think that he has a lot to bring
(09:11):
to the table now and I think he could be
a very good president in his second term. I also
think that he needs to have people around him who
will tell him the truth, the truth about some of
the positions he's taken. By the way, recently, some of
the videos he's put out, some of the policy ideas
really engaging, really worthwhile stuff shows both the ability to
(09:34):
learn and the ability to project division for the future
that I think would be quite good for the country.
But then there's other stuff that comes out sometimes and
I just look at this and I say, what is this?
What is this all about? Why is Trump taking this approach?
Who is advising him or maybe it's just Trump himself,
but he needs advisors then to tell him, this is
(09:56):
not the way, sir, talk about you as the leader
of the party with great ideas that will raise up
all Republicans and with it the entire nation be bigger
than some of the petty stuff. This isn't twenty sixteen.
You're not the guy that everyone's laughing at who has
to show everybody who you know, the real, the real
(10:18):
alpha dog is right that it's not twenty sixteen. You
have been the president. There has to be a change.
And I bring it up because that he put out
this video and I want you to hear it. And
if you think I'm missing this or whatever, by all means,
I want to open up the lines. Like I said,
I want to encourage the best of Trump, the best
of his ideas, the best of what he's got. And
(10:40):
you know we are in a primary officially, and so
when I see this video, I think, no, no, no,
this is not This is not people. By the way
people say that it's it's funny. If I say maga,
they say you're supposed to say maga. And if I
say maga, people yell at me and say it's supposed
to be maga. I mean, I think this is tomato Tomato. Right. Anyway,
(11:01):
here is Donald Trump praising well you'll hear for yourself.
Play clip one. For those of you that didn't notice,
Florida was doing great long before Rond Sanctus got there.
People are fleeing from New York to Florida and other
places because of high taxes and out of control crime.
It's really bad, not because of the governor. Thank you,
(11:23):
mister President for doing that. But it's not because of
the governor. Florida was doing fantastically. You had a governor
named Rick Scott who did a very good job. Even
Charlie Chris the Democrat, did a good job, but he
had very good numbers. Sunshine and ocean are very alluring.
It's not too hard to work with those factors. So
(11:44):
just remember Florida was doing really well long before Rond
Sanctis got there. Okay, first of all, this Sanctus nickname
Trump Trump's nicknames used to crumble his opponents. Okay, a
low energy Jeb. Jeb never covered for his presidency, never
or a presidential campaign. Never recovered from that little Marco
(12:06):
right with with Marco Rubio that was at the time.
And by the way, some people say that this stuff
is unfair and it's childish, But I'm just saying, at
the time these things worked, say what you will about them,
they worked. The sanctus I don't, I don't. I don't
think so, I don't. I guess it's sanctimony, is what
we're kind of going for here. It's just it's not
clever enough, it's not worthy of Trumpian nickname. It's just
(12:30):
it's just not gonna work. So I'm here to just
be honest with all of you about what I see
happening here in this primary. Look, it's still super early.
Descendus isn't even in the primary, so why is he
attacking a popular Republican governor. And then on the issue
of what's happened in Florida, if all of you knew,
the number of people in conservative media who have moved
(12:51):
to Florida in the last three years is mind blowing.
There's been nothing like this ever before in my lifetime
in this country. So many of your favorite commentators, TV, radio, podcasts,
you name it have moved to Florida and either doing
partially you know, six months of the year or something
like that, or here year round. And it's because this
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has become a symbol of something, something is happening in
this state that the right and conservatism is seizing on.
There's a momentum here. And you see this from the
eight hundred thousand people who have I'm in Florida right now.
You see this from the eight hundred thousand people who
have moved to Florida since the beginning of the pandemic.
You see this from the lowest crime rate the state
(13:34):
has had in fifty years. It's always it's always had
great weather, it's always had you in recent memory, at
least low or no state taxes on income. So that's
not going to cut it. And it was the best
state to be in during COVID. I know because I
was in New Yorker who had come down to Florida
during COVID to experience normalcy when other states and other
(13:57):
places I remember, I mean Texas, I was very disappointed
in Texas during the pandemic. I love the state of Texas.
I've thought about moving there to live many times in
my life. But during the pandemic, Abbott was not very good.
He got better, he got you know, he got wise
on La COVID and lockdowns, but it took him a
while Florida was the best state during the pandemic. We
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have to be honest here about what happened, where we
had our victories, where we had our losses. And when
you have not a single statewide elected Republican in Florida
for the first time since the Civil War, that's different.
That's not a normal thing. Praising Charlie Christ. First of all,
he was a Republican when he ran the state, which
is hilarious because Charlie Christ has literally been a Republican,
(14:40):
a Democrat, and an independent. But this is not the way.
This is not the way for Trump. I want. I
want more of the ideas. I want more of the leader.
I want the narrative. You know, there's a there's a
time and a place for the brawling and the fighting.
But for me, this it just didn't work. If you
think I'm wrong by all means, let me know. If
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there are some Trump voters out there, and I mean
obviously a lot of Trump voters, I mean people for
whom Trump is the only option, the only option to
take on Biden. If you like this or didn't like
this ad, let me know. I'm very curious. Eight hundred
two to eight eight two We'll get into some of
that later on in the hour. So I think that's
(15:21):
very It's look, it's it's gonna be a heck of
a primary, folks, gonna be a heck of a fight.
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into an insane world. Welcome back. We got David McCormick,
former CEO of Bridgewater, a huge hedge fund, a candidate
for US Center to Combat Veteran He'll be up with
us in a few minutes. Great time to talk to
him because of all the stuff going on with the banks,
in the economy, corey in Arab Alabama. I didn't know
(16:48):
that was a place. Good to meet you, Cory. What's
going on? Hey? I mean, I'm a two time voter,
big Chump supporter, but I really feel like Florida as
a state we have to win to get the presidency back.
And if Tom keeps backing hisanas, I thought I were
going to lose Florida and it just it just bruats
my heart. Man, look me too, Thank you for for
(17:10):
calling him my friend. I'm look. I voted for Trump twice.
I'm a big Trump supporter in general. But I'm just
trying to be honest about where I think he's going.
Diane from Virginia, What have you got for us? Diana?
I just can't support him the way he is now.
I voted for him twice. Just cannot believe his anger
and resentment and so many things that have really are
(17:33):
destructed to this country. He needs to be taken on
the current president the card democratic black laning black wingers
in this country. Look, thank you. Yeah, I agree. I
mean he should be saving his saving his fighting fury
for the other side. I totally agree. And I just say,
you know, President Trump should sit down, sit down with me,
(17:54):
sit down with Clay, and just be like, guys, tell
me honestly what's going on here, because I think the
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(18:59):
an Buck. We have David McCormick with us now. He
is the former CEO of the Hedgewater of the Hedge
Fund Rather Bridgewater, candidate for US Senate in Pennsylvania in
the last election cycle. A combat veteran West Point graduate,
author of a new book that is out now, Superpower
in Peril, a battle plan to renew America. David, good
(19:21):
to have you back on the program. Hey Bus, thanks
for having me. I appreciate it. So we got a
couple of things, big things to get into here. First
of all, breaking news just in the last couple of minutes,
a Russian jet has collided with a US drone over
the Black Sea and international airspace. I want to get
into all the banking stuff. You ran Bridgewater, one of
(19:43):
the biggest hedge funds in the world. You know the
banking stuff very well. But first tapping into your combat
veteran side. You went to West Point, you have served
in different government national security related roles. How concerned are
you about the trajectory right now in Ukraine. Well, I'm
very concerned about it in the sense that you know,
(20:04):
Putin is an aggressor here h He has challenged a
sovereign sovereignty of Ukraine. And I think we are in
the right position to be supporting the Ukrainians because I
think it's in US interest. But we got to do
that with a lot of care, and we got to
make sure the things that we're sending there aren't being
corrupted and used in ways it's inconsistent with the mission.
(20:26):
And we got to be careful and incidents like you
describe are the things that are unexpected. We got to
be careful that US troops don't in any way get
drawn in. So I'm I'm among those who think what's
happening in Ukraine is an important US interest. I think
China is watching carefully. But I also understand those who
are skeptical, and we have to be careful not to
(20:47):
get drawn into something bigger. Now, all under the financial
side of things, there's a lot of message to clean
up right now in a bunch of different a bunch
of different areas of the world. Yeah, so tell us.
I mean, first of all, is the bailout, the backstopping,
whatever it is, is this the right thing to do?
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How do you see things as they are right now?
Before we get into where the financial and sector and
economics sector are going, But what do you think about
what they've done up to this point? Well, I think
you got to start and I'll be very brief, but
you've got to look at how we got here because
it answers part of your question. So we are here
because of excess excess over the last ten years in
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terms of too much fiscal spending, but extreme excess in
the last two years under Joe Biden, enormous amount of spending,
forty percent increase in discretionary spending. We're an all time
high in our debt of thirty one trillion dollars. And
that excess of spending has been matched with extremely low
interest rates for more than a decade. And as a
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consequence of that, we have inflation. And that inflation is
something we got to control. And so the Fed, ironically,
in trying to help stop the problem it created, raised
interest rates quickly. And now we've got a gap between
the assets and the liabilities, and that is across the
whole banking sector. It's not just across the SBB, and
that's the macro problem. Now. Second SBB, Silicon Valley Bank
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wasn't terribly man is a bank terrible risk management. It's
appropriate that the whole leadership team got fired. But the
regulators made a big mistake here. The San Francisco Federal
Reserve should have known this. It's obvious what was going
to happen when interest rates rise, that the balance sheets
on the banks are gonna be underwater. They're gonna have
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to sell assets. And because these assets were so the
deposits are so concentrated. It's created a real problem, not
just for Silicon Valley Bank, but for others. Now, in
terms of what the government has done, I think it's
it's appropriate the equity holders lose their lose their money.
I think it's appropriate that the credit holders lose their money.
I'm very concerned about the bailout of these uninsured deposits
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and a mun I'm concerned for two reasons. First, you know,
the guy who had the landscaping business and landscaped Silicon
Valley Bank and the company would have ten thousand dollars.
He lost that ten thousand dollars. But the rich Silicon
Valley venture capitalist got one hundred percent on their dollars,
and that seems wrong, that seems inappropriate. Second, we got
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a moral hazard. We got a moral hazard problem where
there's eight trillion dollars of uninsured bank deposits. And so
did we now just set a precedent where we're going
to bail out eight trillion dollars of uninsured bank deposits
if we need to. I don't think so. So we're
sending a dangerous precedent, and that for that reason I
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would oppose it opposed a bailout of any kind. We're
speaking of David McCormick. He's a former combat veteran ran
for Senate in Pennsylvania in a tough primary there against
doctor Oz and also is the author of a new
book that is out, Superpower in Peril, about a plan
to New America. All right, David, where is this all going?
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I mean credit suites? Back to the financial thing, because
people are worried about their money, I think rightfully, so
they're worried about their savings, and they're worried about their jobs.
So what happens now? I mean credit suits? They're saying,
has I think that, you know, systemic issues or something.
There is some term that they used to say, it's
not looking good over there. And there are some other
banks I'm sure that also have similar problems, maybe not
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as badly as SVB. But do you feel like this
is the beginning of a real plunge or is this
something that if we handle appropriately or is handled appropriately,
we're not heading into a major recession. Well, one of
the things I've I've learned along the years is to
just have humility about the ability to predict anything. Here,
I would say that a couple things. In response to
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your question, The biggest important thing in banking is to
have confidence. Confidence in the banking system. The deposits that
old people put in the banks are not available to
take out because they lend those, so there's a fraction
of the deposits available. So people have to have eidence,
and the government's try to take steps to put confidence
in place. We'll see how much it works. The underlying
problem that I described, where people have bought assets and
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had long duration assets and now they're worth a lot
less is a big problem. And the inflation that we
have in our economy is likely going to lead the
Fed to raise rates to the point where we go
into recession, and that is going to be very challenging
for our economy. And it's part of the broader thing
I try to address in my book about Superpower Imperil.
I think this is just evidence of a decline. America's
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in decline economically from a national security perspective. Spiritually, and
decline is not inevitable, but neither is renewal. It depends
on what we do. And so my book Superpower Imperil
lays out the plan for educating our people for confronting
China and for securing America, and part of that is
to get our fiscal house in order and to get
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back to more normal policy. We've lived in access for
a long time, and whenever there's access, there creates all
sorts of distortions in the markets. And that's what we're
dealing with right now. Is there any way you think
realistically that the Fed will be able to navigate these
interest rate raises without plunging us into what even the
Biden administration will have to admit is a recession. Yeah, Listen,
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I think it's gonna be very difficult. And you know,
if you go back and I just read recently the
book about Paul Volker during his time there, and what
happens with inflation is there's you know, if you take
the pedal off too quickly and lower rates too quickly,
inflation comes back. And so you've got to break the
back of inflation both with your movements, with your moves
and interest rates, but also with your rhetoric and signaling.
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And I think it's going to be very difficult not
to be very tough minded on inflation, because the inflation
has an insidious impact on our economy and is very
challenging for politically, so I think we're likely to go
into recession. I think it's likely going to be a
tough period, and that's why I think a renewal agenda
is really important. There's lots of problems in the country
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just beyond the economic ones you and I are talking about,
and so my argument in the book is that we
need leadership as conservatives that's going to put great candidates
forward that can win primaries and win general elections. Is
going to put a positive agenda forward for how to
solve these problems and uh, and it's going to do
the work to get absentee ballots and voter registration so
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we can win elections and take the country in the
right direction. And this book is meant to be a
blueprint for how to do that. A battle plan to
renew america superpower in Peril is the book Before let
you Go, David, you're thinking about running for president because
this book looks like the kind of book somebody might
write if they were running for president. Well, first, I
started writing the book before I ran for the Senate.
(27:46):
At this point, now that the books time, my wife
did tell me I got to get a job of
some sort bucks. So I don't I don't think. I
don't think she's very open minded about that. But I
have I have been thinking about running for the Senate
in Pennsylvania. I've not decided yet. There's twenty four centator
CASEYC will be open for election, and so we'll think
about that and pray about it and make a decision
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later this year. I suspect catch it. So maybe running
for something fair enough. David McCormick, everybody's superpower and peril. David,
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We have some calls in here, Randy in a brass
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You are a Democrat who may go right, Well, Randy,
you're in the right place. How do we convince you
to come on into the light? Well? Buck quick calling
me a communist and all those nasty things. But maybe
you're not a commy. Maybe you're one of the old
school Democrats that actually was open to reason, insanity, you
know what I mean. So there's a whole range, sir.
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I'm all alienated by my party. I'm a Christian, I'm
pro Second Amendment, I'm pro law enforcement, I'm pro military.
But sounds like you're a Republican. I don't know what
what is there left to figure out here? So keep going.
I'm also pro labor and a few other and I'm
pro public schools, so there are some issues there. And
I am pro choice, but that doesn't mean i'm pro abortion.
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You know, you guys, the Republicans, you're always saying we've
got to get the independence to vote for us. Yeah,
I think you can get the independence to vote for you,
especially the way my party's been going. But open the door.
There there are those of us Democrats. Open the door.
You know the guy that comes on the air following
this show on my station. Oh nope, nope, nope, nope, nope,
(31:11):
we're not gonna We're not. Are you saying he opens
the door and is good about this? Or well? No,
I just want to say, he's kind of like did
you ever see the movie Boogie Nights? No, no, no,
we're not, We're not, don't. I don't know who it is,
but I don't want to thank you Randy for calling in.
I don't want anyone talking about any of the other
shows that may be coming on after or before this,
because they're not here to respond one way or the other.
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And uh, I mean, if it's any of my syndicated
brethren on Premiere, they're amazing talents and great guys. Charlie
in Miami, Charlie, what have you got, neighbor. Welcome to Miami.
Thank you, sir. I love Miami. It's fantastic. Hey definitely
born race here and love it myself, love the Santis,
(31:54):
love Trump. I'm at the point now where Trump we
gotta let Trump be up and you know, niceties and
trying to get along. That doesn't work anymore. And Trump
when he does this preemptive fire against Desantist, because Trump's
already said his number one foe, even though he hasn't
put his head in the ring, will be de Santist.
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So he's doing a little friendly fire. He's trying to
see if he can keep him out of the primary.
That's all he's doing. But now, so you're a Florist.
So this is interesting to me because I actually wanted
somebody who was a Trump person, who voted for him
and is still planning to vote for Trump in the
primary kind of no matter, I mean, assuming, no matter what, right,
(32:37):
no most out. I has a Trump sticker still in
my car right right now. I got you. I got you.
So I wanted someone of your position to call in.
But what I'm wondering is you're also a Floridian. So
when Trump says that Desantist hasn't done great stuff in Florida,
you're a Floridian, you're a Miami in. I mean, how
it doesn't that land doesn't it sound like he's just
kind of blowing smoke? I mean, you can't think that's true. No,
(33:00):
obviously not. I mean, Desantist has done a great job, right,
So so it sounds like you agree with me that
you know try I'm not saying Trump can't criticize Decantist
at all. I'm saying, let these guys play it on
the primary. I'm just saying the criticism that Desantists hasn't
done a good job as a Republican governor of Florida.
I mean, to me, this is like saying, you know
(33:21):
that the number one guy in the PGA tour, I
don't even know who it is. Can't, you know, drive
a golf ball. Well, you know what I'm saying, Like,
it just doesn't. That's just not where you attack again.
I just I take it as friendly fire. I take
it as he's just trying to take de Santists off
the board now then later, because if De Santist is
off the board, who else has left? Nobody? And that's
(33:42):
the reality. So once he clears the Santists, then he
can start focusing on j A Joe and go that round.
And he just said when he was in Iowa, he's
already laid down some of his platform. You know, he's
gonna prevent World War three, he's gonna go against Chatina,
he's gonna you know, he's Russia, He's gonna get back
in control. And so you're you're you're your Trump all
(34:04):
the way. And I wanted to hear from from somebody
who feels that way at this point. And uh, you
do love Florida though, too, which is great because I
also think, yeah, original original Floridian. Thank you for My
wife is an original Floridian. By the way, it's always uh,
always helpful. She's from the Orlando area. Rick in Wisconsin,
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what do you got for us? Rick? Hello, how are
you doing today? Sir? We're great all across America. We're fantastic.
What's going on? Well, I just wanted to weigh in
on this Trump issue. I don't think he should be
attacking to Santos. We're all on the same team here
and here in Wisconsin, we just had an election not
long ago, and we had two very strong Republican candidates
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who completely destroyed each other in the primary and that
made it very very easy for our Democratic governor to
we to rewin the election. And I just I don't
understand why we're attacking each other and making it easy
for the Democrats you know, Rick, I think that there's
there's criticizing, and then there's trying to destroy, right, and
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there there's a there's a fine line. I get that
they're gonna fight, thank you for calling and Rick, by
the way, They're gonna fight, They're gonna argue, they're gonna
have attacks against each other on different positions. M But
as long as it's on the policy and doesn't turn
into this person, I'll tell you. You know, people would say, oh, well,
(35:34):
Kamala called Joe Biden, you know, racist on stage. Yeah,
but Democrats call everybody racist. Right. So while that seemed
at the time like oh my gosh, that's unforgivable, Democrats
call everybody racist. So they could just say, you know,
you're not really racist. We call everybody racist, right, That's
what Democrats do. Um. I don't see Democrats usually trying
to destroy each other in a primary. I think sometimes
(35:56):
that does happen with Republicans. Maybe that's just my perception.
Who want to avoid that. We want to go. You know,
it's it's like they say in a boxing match at
the beginning the ref right, we want a good clean fight.
We want a good clean Primaria doesn't mean there's not
going to be shots throne. It just means nothing, you know,
no punches below the belt, no kidney punches or whatever.
You know. I don't know the boxing rules that well,
this is where I need clay clay, where are you
(36:17):
I need boxing rule help? But anyway, next hour we'll
be talking about the police situation in New York City.
They're getting a lot of cops that are leaving the
NYPD and they can't backfill them fast enough, so that's
gonna be a big problem for them. Also, Joe Biden
speaking to somebody on the Daily Show about transgender surgery
(36:39):
for kids. The moderate Joe Biden, that's what they say, right,
he's a moderate. You gotta hear what the current Democrat president,
who's supposed to be such a down the middle guy
thinks about transgender surgery for kids. Stick around,
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