September 16, 2023 • 36 mins
Investigative journalist and author Alex Berenson joins Clay and Buck to discuss the CDC’s recommendation that everyone over 6 months of age get the latest covid shot, directly contradicting their own data. Michigan State head football coach Mel Tucker suspended over phone sex allegations.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast O. Welcome back Man now number three
Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. We're going to be joined by our
buddy Alex Bearnson now. And the timing on this is
not coincidental. There is a New York Times editorial out
today encouraging and I can't believe this is real. Everyone
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six months and older to go out and get the
newest COVID shots. Kathy Hochel, the brilliant, esteemed, Those are
both satire and I just want to make it clear
neither brilliant nor esteemed in any aspect of her leadership
so far. Here is what she said about the new
(00:44):
COVID shot and how it impacts if you had the
past COVID shot.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Listen, hell, everybody, don't rely on the fact that you
had a vaccine in the past.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
It will not help you this time around. Okay, that's
Kathy Hoeld. Last shots won't help you this time around.
You have to go get this one. We bring in now.
Alex Berenson, Alex use of the word vaccine. Let's start here.
If I told you, hey, you know that measles, mumps,
rubella vaccine that you got, It doesn't work anymore. And
(01:14):
I'm not talking about a booster like every twelve years
or whatever the heck they do. I'm not even sure
exactly what goes on with that. My kids have all
gotten those shots. But the one that you just got
last year, it's basically worthless. But this new one, it'll
take care of you. When you hear this and you
see the editorial in the New York Times saying that
everybody six months and older needs to get the new
(01:36):
updated COVID shot, your reaction is what I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Okay, I am curious about this, and you know I
wrote a sub stect today, you know, unreported truth about
this and the details of why I'm sures. But let's
just let's just focus on two things, okay quickly. One
is we are now way out of step with the
rest of the world. And I'm not talking about you know,
some random third world country. I'm talking about Germany or
(02:02):
Australia or the UK or Japan. They are not pushing
these shots. They're certainly not pushing them on anybody under
eighteen in Germany they don't even recommend a primary COVID
vaccination for anybody under eighteen. And most of these countries
aren't pushing it on people under sixty five. In Australia
they go to seventy five. So this I mean these countries,
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they're smart countries, they have smart doctors. They just aren't,
you know, somehow completely politicized on this process. They're somewhat politicized,
but they're not as politicized as we are. So that's
a b is. You can look and this is something
that I tweeted out this morning that has gotten a
huge response. You can look at the CDC's own data
from their slides yesterday, which is not from a month
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ago or a year ago. From yesterday, they said that
you would have to give one million COVID shots to
save between zero and one. They couldn't even say one.
They said zero to one deaths of an adolescent from
COVID million shots to save zero to one death. And
by the way, those shots we know are going to
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cause in the short term one hundred thousand to two
hundred thousand severe reactions meaning a high fever, meaning nausea,
that stuff you know that you get in the immediate
aftermath of the shot. So a million shots, you save
maybe one person of dying from COVID, You cause one
hundred thousand to two hundred thousand severe reactions. And they
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didn't even mention this part. But it's in the data
from other places. You cause fifty to three hundred cases
of severe miocroditis marketized. That's clinically relevant in people. So
so what are we doing? It is sickening to me.
These shots should not be offered to anybody who's a
teenager or child. They probably shouldn't be offered. I mean,
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who's who's you know, who's not like on death door
from other conditions, And they probably shouldn't be offered to
anybody of that age period, but they and they probably
shouldn't be offered to anybody unders sixty five again, who's
not really sick with other things. I don't know what
we're doing.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, Alex, who wants this?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Like, who's still? Is it really just the power of
big pharma? I mean the CDC director who from from
previous experience with things that she said publicly, I have
to think of something of an idiot. She wrote an
article today in the New York Times about like I'm
a mom and I'm the CDC director, and like I
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want my kid to get the COVID shot. What do
I really mean this? Like what is wrong with her?
Does she have an anxiety disorder? Or is she just
getting too much big pharma money from something or what?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
No? I mean, It's like, I don't believe she's getting
pharma money directly. I mean, obviously there's a lot of
money from Fizer and Maderna floating around the system. And
by the way we're spending I believe, and I haven't
checked this myself, so you know, I always throw that
in look at myself. I believe we have ordered two
billion dollars worth of pediatric COVID doses for this fall,
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about twenty million vaccines. Now, I would be surprised if
one million are given, because the only good thing in
all of this is that is that everybody knows, with
the exception of the CDC, how stupid this is, and
so no one is going to get these I And
the reason I say that with certainty is because that's
what happened last fall. You know, aside from people over
sixty five, almost nobody got the by valance booster last
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fall this and I think the uptake is going to
be even lower this year. But that doesn't mean we can't.
We need to, we can let this go. We have
to call them out on this. As for Mandy Cohen
and what she's doing, I have no idea, the idea
that she would get her healthy children. And I assume
they're healthy, vaccinated or boosted against this you know, omicron variant,
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that's no risk to them. She is. She's endangering them,
even if it's a low danger. She's endangering them for
no benefit to them. And I don't understand that we're.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Talking about lex Bearnson. I always think this is important.
I've got a fifteen to twelve and a nine year old.
We're about to have a couple of birthdays. My kids
are not getting these shots. Okay, So I'm telling all
of you listening right now exactly what I'm choosing to
do with my own kids. Certainly, I'm not going to
get it right. I haven't ever gotten any of these shots.
But I think for most people out there, whatever you
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do with your own personal health, if you are fortunate
enough to have kids or grandkids that you care for,
the choices that you're making for them tells us more
sometimes than the choices you make for yourself. So I'm
not doing this, Alex. Let's take away the Alex Bearnson
journalist who's looking at all this data. You also have
young kids. How old are your kids and what choice
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are you making personally for them? That you would also
say to other people out there with young kids, because
I think this is so important, take it outside of Hey,
I'm a you know Alex Bearnson covering this. You're also
Alex Bearnson, Dad. What are you doing with your own family?
Speaker 3 (06:57):
So we've talked about this before. My kids are now eleven,
seven and four.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So you got four kids eleven and under. Oh, three
three eleven okay, three eleven and under?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, yes, and and you know, I mean they've all
had COVID, they've all by the way, they've all had
the standard vaccines. They will get these m R and
A shots over my dead body, and my wife feels
exactly the same. I mean, we are not doing this
to them. They don't need it. It's only downside. We
have no idea what the long term impact of m
R and A is. But in fact, there's as we
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talked about, I think a week or two ago, there's
some data showing that in kids it may actually harm
their immunity to other infections. So it would be it
will never happen as long as I'm alive, that my
kids will get these shots, which.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Being Alex Bearnson. Subscribe to his sub stack unreported CRUs
So maybe we could put up a cross link to
it on clayanbuck dot com. So anyone goes to claibuck
dot com, you click on it and you can see
Alex's peace today and Alex. The mantra here continues to
be quote. This is from the New York Times opinion
from the CDC director, who's the same woman who actually,
(08:09):
can we play that audio for a second? Ormind everybody,
this was like months ago the current CDC director formerly
this the health human services director for I think North Carolina.
This is what she said about how she made COVID policy.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Play it so I would call probably the person I
called most was the Secretary of Health and Human Services
in Massachusetts. She worked for a publican governor just to
but you know when she was like, are you are
you gonna let them have professional football? And I was
like nope, And She's like okay, neither away, neither way.
(08:43):
So you know, it was like conversations like that, so
or I'd be like, so when are you gonna think
about lightening up a mess? Or like like next Monday.
I'm like, okay, next Monday.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So just letting everyone know that she was arbitrary and
capricious and the whole thing was a scam. She got promoted.
Everybody that person got promoted. She's not CDC director and
Alex she writes, quote, we can minimize the viruses damage
by using our most effective tool in combating the virus,
updated COVID nineteen vaccines.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
What is she even basing this on at this point?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Well, so, I mean that's another thing, and you know
there's so much to be angry with it. So so
the data that there's this idea and then you know
they've repeated it endlessly. The updated boosters work better than
the older vaccines or against the new variants, and that's
why we want to get you boosted. Okay, there's a
tremendous amount of data and they and this they know. Okay,
(09:39):
they're not complete idiots. When you get a booster, it
doesn't matter whether the booster is supposedly updated or the
original against the wild tepe. If you've been previously vaccinated,
your body has an overwhelming tendency to produce anybody's that
are best against the original strain of COVID of the
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origin on variant of COVID. The problem is that variant
no longer exists except in a few laboratories. So you're
getting boosted and what your body is mostly doing is
fighting a virus that no longer exists, and this is
probably one reason the vaccines are so ineffective at this point. Okay.
And by the way, it doesn't matter whether they give
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you the original vaccine that you got two years ago
or the one that is supposedly new and improved. Your
body reacts the same. It's called immune in printing or
original antigenic sin. It's a well known phenomenon immunology, and
they know it. They are just lying about this. It
is an excuse to try to get people to take
more vaccine. And I don't know why they're doing it. Okay,
(10:43):
they could have done what the rest of the world did,
which is essentially walk away from the mRNAs and walk
away from COVID vaccines except for elderly people. You know,
who are at high risk from COVID and who fran
likely have a lower you know, if something goes wrong,
life expectancy is shorter anyway. Okay, so they have put
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more potential benefit and it's a less catastrophic risk if
we're wrong about the long term effects here. But we
didn't do that in the United States. For some reason,
the American public health authorities and the Biden administration are
all in on this, despite the fact that their own
data shows it's useless. And I do not understand it.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
As bad as the decisions are on the COVID shot,
I'm curious, Alex, what you think. I'm sure you saw
the Montgomery County public schools forcing kids to wear masks
again in ninety five's in kindergarten. Now they're also doing
it in another first grade classroom in a different school
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in Montgomery County that is just north of Washington, DC.
As someone who has covered this now for we're going
into the fourth winter of COVID, are you astounded that
this is still all going on, masking getting the shots
and what does it say that there are no consequences
for so many people being so profoundly wrong about so
(12:08):
much of this for the last four years.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You know, that's a great question. I am kind of astounded.
And you know, I've been writing. I've been writing unreported
truths for you know, more than two years. Some of
my subscribers are now a lot of them are now
headed into the third year. I've been tweeting about this
to you know, pretty large aud answers three and a
half years. I kind of want to get back to
my life, you know, I was. I wrote a bunch
(12:31):
of spy novels. I've covered other things, but I can't
because because this is not going away, and what happened
with the CDC yesterday is just the most recent, you know,
example of this. They they are continuing this, and and
the masking, you know, it is, it is. It is crazy.
Masks are useless by any and every definition. And there's
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a video on Twitter that I can't kind of can't
stop watching that guy named Martin Kolder put up of
a of a toddler, like a two year old, pulling
his mask down, and this teacher keeps putting it on
harder and harder, and you know, the child obviously does
not like it and keeps taking it off. And I
sort of feel like to someone said that we are
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the toddler, and the public health authorities are that teacher.
They will not stop, and I don't know how we
get them to stop. And so you know, I'm trying
to build a record, a historical record about how you know,
useless the vaccines now are. I'm trying to write about this,
even though to some extent I wish I could move forward,
because we just cannot stop until until there is some
(13:36):
kind of reckoning.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Is it Is it fair, Alex in your mind to
point out that Anthony Fauci still going on TV could
do a lot to finally stop some of this madness.
And I mean I've made the case that we've now
crossed over into he's a moral monster, Like he knows
(13:58):
that this is crap, but he just won't stop.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, I mean he would have to repudiate, uh, you
know a lot. Look that there is some precedent for
that with him right in the late eighties, you know,
the the the AIDS activist Scott to him and convinced
him that, you know, his policies were not working and
were leading to unnecessary death and despair. And he, you know,
he helped that. He he changed his mind, and he
(14:24):
sort of became a hero to the to a lot
of those guys. So you know, is there is there
some parent of a toddler who you know, who can
convince Fauci like you know you should speak out here.
I doubt it, but but maybe you know, is there
some parent of a of a of a young person
who died from mile karditis after an m R and
a shot that can get him to, you know, to
(14:45):
to look at his policies. Maybe, but he doesn't seem
to be and in that place. I've never spoken to
anthy about you, Okay, I've only I've only seen what
we all see. But he seems extremely self satisfied, and
so I don't know how he changes his mind.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
When you speak to this this last question because I
know you, we appreciate the time. I'm sure you saw
Aaron Rodgers, because I know you're a sports fan tear
his achilles tendon. Aaron Rodgers been one of the most
outspoken people about the lack of necessity for COVID shots.
Doesn't it perfectly speak to the world in which we're
in that many people reacted with glee to Aaron Rodgers
(15:23):
tearing his achilles tendon because he didn't acquiesce and get
the COVID shot.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, I think you're right. I mean I think that
you know, the backpdrop on that is, you know, Novak
Djokovic wins. Yeah, you know, it becomes the absolute goal.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
And you saw the Maderna shot of the day which
we played, which was too perfect.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, too perfect. And so because you know, because he's
a professional athlete who you know, who has done really
well after rejecting the shots, the fact that this happened
to Aaron Rodgers, although of course you know it's completely
unrelated in any to COVID in any ways they or
form you know, people, people want to hit back. I mean,
that's where we are. And you know, this is another
(16:04):
terrible thing about where we are in terms of our
politics and public health, is that you know, there's a
lot of you know what the Herman Kane Awards are,
I'm sure where people talk negatively about somebody who was
unvaccinated and died from COVID and then meanwhile, people you
know who are not vaccinated. Sometimes I look, I have
to resist the medentation too when you see somebody who
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might have died, you know, of a vaccine related injury
and spoke out against against those of us who chose
not to be vaccinated. We can't jump on them. It's
a human tragedy. Okay, it's a human tragedy on either side.
People are dying here something you know. People died of COVID,
people have died of mRNA vaccine side effects. Our goal
should be to try to stop all of it. But
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the way to do that is not to pretend that
the vaccines work when they don't.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
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Speaker 3 (17:00):
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in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. All right, I got
a story for you, Buck that I bet you don't
know anything about. But I bet our nine ten Am
(19:13):
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around right now, I'm told there are billboards everywhere in
the southeastern Michigan region with my picture and Buck Sexton's picture.
We appreciate our new affiliate at nine ten Am. My
wife's family all from Michigan. We've got Michigan State grads.
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We've got Michigan grads. We got both sides of that
big rivalry in the larger Travis family again through my
wife Laura, who grew up in in the Detroit area.
She went to the University of Michigan, so Michigan State.
Buck has got a coach, Mel Tucker, who Mel Tucker
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got a ten year, ninety five million dollar job, a
contract to continue to coach football at Michigan State. He's
two years into that contract. He has roughly eighty some
odd million dollars left on that contract from Michigan State.
(20:17):
He has been suspended from his job in the middle
of football season. He's been suspended from his job coaching
Michigan State. You might be wondering, what did he do?
What is the allegation that has been brought against him?
College football and college athletics in general has a lot
(20:39):
of crazy stories. Buck. He called a woman who had
been doing training. She'd done a couple of speeches on
Michigan State. He became friendly with this woman, and he
began to have conversations with her outside of the work.
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She lived in a different part of the country, she
was on campus a couple of times. Spoke about sexual
assault and the need to be able for players and
coaches and everybody else not to be involved in sexual assault,
which I think pretty much everybody out there can say, yeah,
that seems like something that's worthy. Okay, So they develop
a relationship, the head coach, Mel Tucker and this woman,
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Brenda Tracy. They engage This is undisputed facts twenty seven
different phone calls Buck, of an average length of over
thirty minutes. I don't know how many of you out
there talk on the phone very often for over thirty
minutes at a time. I don't do that very often,
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certainly not one on one. He is being suspended and
going to be fired, and it is going to potentially
cost him eighty million dollars as a result, because they're
trying to fire him without four cause, which means they
don't owe him as payout. What did he do? One
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phone call? He allegedly had phone sex with this woman.
She turned him into the university for having phone sex
with her. She claims. This is a thirty six minute
post midnight phone call. Buck. She claims that she panicked
(22:28):
and she couldn't hang up the phone, and therefore she was,
through the telephone call, a victim of the phone sex
call thirty six minutes in length. He is now being
suspended and he's going to be fired. They both acknowledged
(22:49):
that they had a phone sex call. He says she
sent him pictures of the two of them, and he
started saying, man, you look so good in that outfit,
as one might and then it turned into a more
amorous conversation thirty six minutes. She said she froze couldn't
hang up the phone because she couldn't believe what was
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happening when he now is losing his job. Yes, this
is these are all eyes few to facts. I've got questions,
mind Ali, By the way, I might bring you in
as well as the woman here. Uh, this is this
is all undisputed. Producer. Ali is always there to keep us,
you know, all the ruck and eye, Buck and eye
if we're off the rails, because we're two guys like
(23:30):
I hear this story. And by the way, one more
little detail here, Buck, after this incident, he's married. I
have a key question, but finishing in detail. Go ahead, Okay,
he's married. For people out there who might be wondering,
Mel Tucker, he says that he and his wife are separated,
but they have not officially gotten divorced, So just FYI.
To the extent that you're going to dive into his
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personal life, he says that she talked about their phone call.
He realized that it wasn't a good decision that he
had made, basically, and so he chose not to have
her come back and speak at Michigan State again. It
was at that time that she then turned him into
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Michigan State. And by the way, also another factor here.
A couple of months after this happened, she texted Happy
Father's Day to him, so that okay, your question, Okay,
all right, I got question. This is a crazy story.
I thought you would be blown away by this. This
is insane. Was she like her whole eye froze? I mean,
(24:35):
if this guy was there for thirty eight minutes thirty
six minute phone call night, she says she just.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Going solo the whole time, because that's a lot of
effort of it. We do three hours of radio a day.
I don't know if I could pull off thirty six
minutes of dirty talk.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Was she eight?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
He says that she enjoyed it. That's his position. Does
she claim was she silent?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Or was she because if she was, like, you know, yeah,
like you're so strong, I'm just trying whatever, Like, what
is she even talking about?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I will give you what she said. They've done it
that they have that there's a twelve hundred by the way,
twelve hundred page investigation into this at Michigan State. And
I want to pull up the quote because I want
to get her quote right here. She says. Let's see,
(25:24):
I want to make sure that I get this right. Ali.
What is your reaction as a woman to I froze
and I couldn't turn off, that I couldn't hang up.
I asked my wife about this. She said, I would
I have no issues at all hanging up with you
at any point in time. Do you believe that she could?
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She could have frozen. Here's what she said, By the way,
here's how the conversation. She said, she thought to herself,
oh my god, this is happening. I can't stop it.
In the moment, she said, it didn't occur to her
to hang up. Eventually she said something. These are her quotes.
Eventually she said something along the lines of if you
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do this, I don't ever want to hear about it.
We're only friends. That's it. When he finished, the coach
said thank you, good night, sweetheart. She responded yeah. Two
months later, she says that she He says, she sent
and I don't think it's disputed. Happy Father's Day. He
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then cancels her speaking engagement on campus because he thinks
this has gone too far, and she then turns him
in and now he is going to lose potentially an
eighty million dollar contract job. Are we waiting for all? Yeah? Frozen?
You're frozen by this story. If you were on the jury,
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and let's pretend that you're on the jury alley and
you here, because a lot of times women say, well
I wouldn't do that, but I don't want to judge
another woman for doing that, right, this is women are
more empathetic than men. I think a lot of men
are like, this is total bs. Okay. If you were
on the jury and she said, and I said, well,
why didn't you hang up? She basically says she froze
(27:15):
and the conversation lasted thirty six minutes and then she
texts Happy Father's Day later, Like, what is going on here?
Like from I think she liked him. There's evidence that
they had obviously a relationship that was going on for
some time. I think he decided, you know what, this
has gone too far, basically broke it off, and then
(27:37):
she decided to turn him in and try to extract revenge,
exact revenge in some way. Yeah, there is your analysis, Ali.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
There's I have a lot of questions too. I'm with Buck.
I post midnight call thirty six minutes. Keep it going.
I'm not going to pretend to know what another woman
is experiencing and why she reacts one way. Whereas I
would probably am phone call. I wouldn't even be on
a phone call after midnight with somebody I work with.
That's just weird. But that's me.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
There's so many more questions I have to really be
able to give you.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And was she she wasn't like his direct report, this
is important, that's important.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
She made a Title nine complaint, which again feels very
vindictive to me. I don't think she actually qualifies as
a co employee. The only relationship she had, she has
an independent business. She came as a vendor basically and
spoke to the football team.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
So this is like, this is like the attractive woman
who's like selling handbags in the office and Michael Scott
decides that he's gonna buy all of her handbags.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
And I'm talking about the office. I mean, I can't
turn it off whenever it's on.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, you know, she shows up and he's like no, no, like,
let's let her lay out all of her handbags in
our conference room. And he like turns the place into
a showroom. She was a vendor and outside employee that.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
She is not.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yes, to your point, she's not his director report, she's
not somehow employed full time by Michigan State. She lives
in an entirely different part of the country. In fact,
the phone call from his end that is now in
question originated in Florida, and she was all the way
in Oregon. There is no suggestion that he ever touched
her or did anything physically inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
He is.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I mean, this is potentially going to be the most
expensive phone call in the history of maybe business period,
because it could cost him this thirty six minute phone
call eighty million dollars. You thought nine hundred numbers were expensive.
It's like two million dollars a minute. Over two million
dollars a minute.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I just he's got to have legal, you know, legal
recourse here to get his job back. I mean, this
is the craziest thing I've This is one of the
craziest stories in this kind.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I couldn't believe it when I read it. Buck And
and by the way, almost no one is saying this
is crazy because everybody is so terrified in sports media
of the whole me too, universe that if a woman
it's like the Kavanaugh case in many ways, if a
woman says something, there's a huge cadre of people out
there who may well not believe it, but they're afraid
(30:11):
they're gonna end up the target if they question any
aspect of the story.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Fortunately, there's some of us out there who, just like
when Kavanaugh was being lied about, we will say that
woman is lying.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
So in this case, she's not. She's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
It's just like the standard that distinction. I'm just saying,
this is crazy. She she didn't feel like coerced into
staying on a phone call. She's an adult. Give me
a break. This is the craziest thing I've ever heard.
I mean, you know, I can't tell you when I
get a telemarketer call. Imagine if I was like, I
couldn't the guy just my insurance and I stayed on
(30:47):
the phone for two hours and gave him all my money.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Like that's my fare. Here's my question also for people
out there, and I understand age may factor in here,
because I think the older you are, the more you
enjoy in general, talking on the telephone. Twenty seven calls
an average of thirty plus minute for each of those calls.
Like I don't know that I've talked to somebody one
on one for over thirty minutes on a phone call
(31:13):
in years. Like I can't even think of my wife,
my mom. I can't even think of the last person
that I would have talked to for over a half
hour on the phone.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I don't even like voicemails. Like when somebody leaves me
a voice message, I'm like, you couldn't have just texted me,
Like why do you have to leave me a voice
messal so I have to go listen to it and
then like try to get your number and figure out
what you said. Just text me like one sentence, like
instead of sending me leaving me a voicemail. So this
is crazy. This is going on, by the way, if
you want to react, to close out the show, eight
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long time. Potentially a phone sex call that costs eighty
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Speaker 2 (33:04):
All Right, we're closing up shop here, but mines are
still blown. On the show and all across the country
on this story about the what Michigan State.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Who Michigan State had football coach Mel Tucker, I think
is getting a rig job of all rig jobs, eighty
million dollar contract. He's being right now, he's suspended. The
expectation is he's going to be fired for an argument
that he had a non consensual phone sex call with
a woman who spoke at the Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
This reminds me of the worst of the the political
correctness era stuff that we saw back in the nineties.
Now we call it woke, it used to be PC
and it seemed that there was this period where there
was a period where even very minor stuff, you know,
if a woman was offended, everyone had to take it
super seriously and people were losing their jobs and everything
(33:59):
that canntinues with us, you know to this day in
some places, or at least with some organizations and entities.
But this one is to me. You know, adults have
to be able to exercise adult responsibility and a reasonable
man slash reasonable woman's standard.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yes, and if.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
You don't like the way a phone call is going,
unless the person can coerce you by saying stay on
the phone or I'll fire you, or stay on the
phone and I'll promote you, or something like that. But
if you just you know, met somebody, if you work
for a different company and you met somebody and they're
wanting to talk naughty, I think as an adult, you
have to be able to say, excuse me, sir, I
(34:38):
don't talk naughty, and then you hang up.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
What about the idea of expanding consent to phone sex calls.
I mean, my mind is just blown by this in general,
and like and by the way, it's a retroactive recision
of her prior acceptance of the phone set.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I think when it comes to the verbal thing, like
if you stay on the call and you're engaging in
the call, you're consenting to the call.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I don't understand what no right, But I mean, like
it's one thing to say, like, okay, it was non
consensual sex. We now have a non consensual phone sex
that is costing somebody eighty million dollars. Well that you know,
in the case of the of the former, there's a
coercive aspect to it, right, So rather it's physical coercion, threats,
(35:29):
actual arches, consent in face to face interaction I'm.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Saying, right, yes, but if you're absent any kind of
coercion and the in the verbal context here, meaning like
that's what I said. If if it's stay on the
phone for the phone sex, that you're fired. Yeah, of
course you're a jerk. You should be sued, get fired,
all that stuff. But if you're like, yeah, this is
like sign me up for the sexy phone.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Time, I don't know. Mac clay on.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
My mind is still blown after yesterday that Democrat state
Rep in Virginia who says that it's a sex against
her to say to share the video that she posted
online of herself doing sex things. Well, what is happening everybody?
What is happening both of these stories?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I mean, again, we talked about that Virginia story yesterday,
but this mel Tucker story, Like, I can't get over it.
Thirty six minute phone call that she now says is
non consensual and it's potentially gonna cost him eighty million
dollars over two million dollars a minute for that phone call.
(36:34):
I just and the fact that you can retroactively be like, yeah,
I didn't consent to that phone sex call that we
had eight months ago. What I just I can't believe
that we managed to create this expansive of an arena
where guy's gonna lose his job. I think it's a
total sham, but a lot of people listening on a
nine ten am agree back to you know, naughty stuff
(36:55):
in person is better than on the phone.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast O. Welcome back Man now number three
Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. We're going to be joined by our
buddy Alex Bearnson now. And the timing on this is
not coincidental. There is a New York Times editorial out
today encouraging and I can't believe this is real. Everyone
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six months and older to go out and get the
newest COVID shots. Kathy Hochel, the brilliant, esteemed, Those are
both satire and I just want to make it clear
neither brilliant nor esteemed in any aspect of her leadership
so far. Here is what she said about the new
(00:44):
COVID shot and how it impacts if you had the
past COVID shot.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Listen, hell, everybody, don't rely on the fact that you
had a vaccine in the past.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
It will not help you this time around. Okay, that's
Kathy Hoeld. Last shots won't help you this time around.
You have to go get this one. We bring in now.
Alex Berenson, Alex use of the word vaccine. Let's start here.
If I told you, hey, you know that measles, mumps,
rubella vaccine that you got, It doesn't work anymore. And
(01:14):
I'm not talking about a booster like every twelve years
or whatever the heck they do. I'm not even sure
exactly what goes on with that. My kids have all
gotten those shots. But the one that you just got
last year, it's basically worthless. But this new one, it'll
take care of you. When you hear this and you
see the editorial in the New York Times saying that
everybody six months and older needs to get the new
(01:36):
updated COVID shot, your reaction is what I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Okay, I am curious about this, and you know I
wrote a sub stect today, you know, unreported truth about
this and the details of why I'm sures. But let's
just let's just focus on two things, okay quickly. One
is we are now way out of step with the
rest of the world. And I'm not talking about you know,
some random third world country. I'm talking about Germany or
(02:02):
Australia or the UK or Japan. They are not pushing
these shots. They're certainly not pushing them on anybody under
eighteen in Germany they don't even recommend a primary COVID
vaccination for anybody under eighteen. And most of these countries
aren't pushing it on people under sixty five. In Australia
they go to seventy five. So this I mean these countries,
(02:23):
they're smart countries, they have smart doctors. They just aren't,
you know, somehow completely politicized on this process. They're somewhat politicized,
but they're not as politicized as we are. So that's
a b is. You can look and this is something
that I tweeted out this morning that has gotten a
huge response. You can look at the CDC's own data
from their slides yesterday, which is not from a month
(02:46):
ago or a year ago. From yesterday, they said that
you would have to give one million COVID shots to
save between zero and one. They couldn't even say one.
They said zero to one deaths of an adolescent from
COVID million shots to save zero to one death. And
by the way, those shots we know are going to
(03:07):
cause in the short term one hundred thousand to two
hundred thousand severe reactions meaning a high fever, meaning nausea,
that stuff you know that you get in the immediate
aftermath of the shot. So a million shots, you save
maybe one person of dying from COVID, You cause one
hundred thousand to two hundred thousand severe reactions. And they
(03:27):
didn't even mention this part. But it's in the data
from other places. You cause fifty to three hundred cases
of severe miocroditis marketized. That's clinically relevant in people. So
so what are we doing? It is sickening to me.
These shots should not be offered to anybody who's a
teenager or child. They probably shouldn't be offered. I mean,
(03:49):
who's who's you know, who's not like on death door
from other conditions, And they probably shouldn't be offered to
anybody of that age period, but they and they probably
shouldn't be offered to anybody unders sixty five again, who's
not really sick with other things. I don't know what
we're doing.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, Alex, who wants this?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Like, who's still? Is it really just the power of
big pharma? I mean the CDC director who from from
previous experience with things that she said publicly, I have
to think of something of an idiot. She wrote an
article today in the New York Times about like I'm
a mom and I'm the CDC director, and like I
(04:28):
want my kid to get the COVID shot. What do
I really mean this? Like what is wrong with her?
Does she have an anxiety disorder? Or is she just
getting too much big pharma money from something or what?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
No? I mean, It's like, I don't believe she's getting
pharma money directly. I mean, obviously there's a lot of
money from Fizer and Maderna floating around the system. And
by the way we're spending I believe, and I haven't
checked this myself, so you know, I always throw that
in look at myself. I believe we have ordered two
billion dollars worth of pediatric COVID doses for this fall,
(05:02):
about twenty million vaccines. Now, I would be surprised if
one million are given, because the only good thing in
all of this is that is that everybody knows, with
the exception of the CDC, how stupid this is, and
so no one is going to get these I And
the reason I say that with certainty is because that's
what happened last fall. You know, aside from people over
sixty five, almost nobody got the by valance booster last
(05:25):
fall this and I think the uptake is going to
be even lower this year. But that doesn't mean we can't.
We need to, we can let this go. We have
to call them out on this. As for Mandy Cohen
and what she's doing, I have no idea, the idea
that she would get her healthy children. And I assume
they're healthy, vaccinated or boosted against this you know, omicron variant,
(05:48):
that's no risk to them. She is. She's endangering them,
even if it's a low danger. She's endangering them for
no benefit to them. And I don't understand that we're.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Talking about lex Bearnson. I always think this is important.
I've got a fifteen to twelve and a nine year old.
We're about to have a couple of birthdays. My kids
are not getting these shots. Okay, So I'm telling all
of you listening right now exactly what I'm choosing to
do with my own kids. Certainly, I'm not going to
get it right. I haven't ever gotten any of these shots.
But I think for most people out there, whatever you
(06:21):
do with your own personal health, if you are fortunate
enough to have kids or grandkids that you care for,
the choices that you're making for them tells us more
sometimes than the choices you make for yourself. So I'm
not doing this, Alex. Let's take away the Alex Bearnson
journalist who's looking at all this data. You also have
young kids. How old are your kids and what choice
(06:42):
are you making personally for them? That you would also
say to other people out there with young kids, because
I think this is so important, take it outside of Hey,
I'm a you know Alex Bearnson covering this. You're also
Alex Bearnson, Dad. What are you doing with your own family?
Speaker 3 (06:57):
So we've talked about this before. My kids are now eleven,
seven and four.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So you got four kids eleven and under. Oh, three
three eleven okay, three eleven and under?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, yes, and and you know, I mean they've all
had COVID, they've all by the way, they've all had
the standard vaccines. They will get these m R and
A shots over my dead body, and my wife feels
exactly the same. I mean, we are not doing this
to them. They don't need it. It's only downside. We
have no idea what the long term impact of m
R and A is. But in fact, there's as we
(07:30):
talked about, I think a week or two ago, there's
some data showing that in kids it may actually harm
their immunity to other infections. So it would be it
will never happen as long as I'm alive, that my
kids will get these shots, which.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Being Alex Bearnson. Subscribe to his sub stack unreported CRUs
So maybe we could put up a cross link to
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Alex's peace today and Alex. The mantra here continues to
be quote. This is from the New York Times opinion
from the CDC director, who's the same woman who actually,
(08:09):
can we play that audio for a second? Ormind everybody,
this was like months ago the current CDC director formerly
this the health human services director for I think North Carolina.
This is what she said about how she made COVID policy.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Play it so I would call probably the person I
called most was the Secretary of Health and Human Services
in Massachusetts. She worked for a publican governor just to
but you know when she was like, are you are
you gonna let them have professional football? And I was
like nope, And She's like okay, neither away, neither way.
(08:43):
So you know, it was like conversations like that, so
or I'd be like, so when are you gonna think
about lightening up a mess? Or like like next Monday.
I'm like, okay, next Monday.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So just letting everyone know that she was arbitrary and
capricious and the whole thing was a scam. She got promoted.
Everybody that person got promoted. She's not CDC director and
Alex she writes, quote, we can minimize the viruses damage
by using our most effective tool in combating the virus,
updated COVID nineteen vaccines.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
What is she even basing this on at this point?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Well, so, I mean that's another thing, and you know
there's so much to be angry with it. So so
the data that there's this idea and then you know
they've repeated it endlessly. The updated boosters work better than
the older vaccines or against the new variants, and that's
why we want to get you boosted. Okay, there's a
tremendous amount of data and they and this they know. Okay,
(09:39):
they're not complete idiots. When you get a booster, it
doesn't matter whether the booster is supposedly updated or the
original against the wild tepe. If you've been previously vaccinated,
your body has an overwhelming tendency to produce anybody's that
are best against the original strain of COVID of the
(09:59):
origin on variant of COVID. The problem is that variant
no longer exists except in a few laboratories. So you're
getting boosted and what your body is mostly doing is
fighting a virus that no longer exists, and this is
probably one reason the vaccines are so ineffective at this point. Okay.
And by the way, it doesn't matter whether they give
(10:20):
you the original vaccine that you got two years ago
or the one that is supposedly new and improved. Your
body reacts the same. It's called immune in printing or
original antigenic sin. It's a well known phenomenon immunology, and
they know it. They are just lying about this. It
is an excuse to try to get people to take
more vaccine. And I don't know why they're doing it. Okay,
(10:43):
they could have done what the rest of the world did,
which is essentially walk away from the mRNAs and walk
away from COVID vaccines except for elderly people. You know,
who are at high risk from COVID and who fran
likely have a lower you know, if something goes wrong,
life expectancy is shorter anyway. Okay, so they have put
(11:04):
more potential benefit and it's a less catastrophic risk if
we're wrong about the long term effects here. But we
didn't do that in the United States. For some reason,
the American public health authorities and the Biden administration are
all in on this, despite the fact that their own
data shows it's useless. And I do not understand it.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
As bad as the decisions are on the COVID shot,
I'm curious, Alex, what you think. I'm sure you saw
the Montgomery County public schools forcing kids to wear masks
again in ninety five's in kindergarten. Now they're also doing
it in another first grade classroom in a different school
(11:44):
in Montgomery County that is just north of Washington, DC.
As someone who has covered this now for we're going
into the fourth winter of COVID, are you astounded that
this is still all going on, masking getting the shots
and what does it say that there are no consequences
for so many people being so profoundly wrong about so
(12:08):
much of this for the last four years.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You know, that's a great question. I am kind of astounded.
And you know, I've been writing. I've been writing unreported
truths for you know, more than two years. Some of
my subscribers are now a lot of them are now
headed into the third year. I've been tweeting about this
to you know, pretty large aud answers three and a
half years. I kind of want to get back to
my life, you know, I was. I wrote a bunch
(12:31):
of spy novels. I've covered other things, but I can't
because because this is not going away, and what happened
with the CDC yesterday is just the most recent, you know,
example of this. They they are continuing this, and and
the masking, you know, it is, it is. It is crazy.
Masks are useless by any and every definition. And there's
(12:53):
a video on Twitter that I can't kind of can't
stop watching that guy named Martin Kolder put up of
a of a toddler, like a two year old, pulling
his mask down, and this teacher keeps putting it on
harder and harder, and you know, the child obviously does
not like it and keeps taking it off. And I
sort of feel like to someone said that we are
(13:14):
the toddler, and the public health authorities are that teacher.
They will not stop, and I don't know how we
get them to stop. And so you know, I'm trying
to build a record, a historical record about how you know,
useless the vaccines now are. I'm trying to write about this,
even though to some extent I wish I could move forward,
because we just cannot stop until until there is some
(13:36):
kind of reckoning.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Is it Is it fair, Alex in your mind to
point out that Anthony Fauci still going on TV could
do a lot to finally stop some of this madness.
And I mean I've made the case that we've now
crossed over into he's a moral monster, Like he knows
(13:58):
that this is crap, but he just won't stop.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, I mean he would have to repudiate, uh, you
know a lot. Look that there is some precedent for
that with him right in the late eighties, you know,
the the the AIDS activist Scott to him and convinced
him that, you know, his policies were not working and
were leading to unnecessary death and despair. And he, you know,
he helped that. He he changed his mind, and he
(14:24):
sort of became a hero to the to a lot
of those guys. So you know, is there is there
some parent of a toddler who you know, who can
convince Fauci like you know you should speak out here.
I doubt it, but but maybe you know, is there
some parent of a of a of a young person
who died from mile karditis after an m R and
a shot that can get him to, you know, to
(14:45):
to look at his policies. Maybe, but he doesn't seem
to be and in that place. I've never spoken to
anthy about you, Okay, I've only I've only seen what
we all see. But he seems extremely self satisfied, and
so I don't know how he changes his mind.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
When you speak to this this last question because I
know you, we appreciate the time. I'm sure you saw
Aaron Rodgers, because I know you're a sports fan tear
his achilles tendon. Aaron Rodgers been one of the most
outspoken people about the lack of necessity for COVID shots.
Doesn't it perfectly speak to the world in which we're
in that many people reacted with glee to Aaron Rodgers
(15:23):
tearing his achilles tendon because he didn't acquiesce and get
the COVID shot.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, I think you're right. I mean I think that
you know, the backpdrop on that is, you know, Novak
Djokovic wins. Yeah, you know, it becomes the absolute goal.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
And you saw the Maderna shot of the day which
we played, which was too perfect.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, too perfect. And so because you know, because he's
a professional athlete who you know, who has done really
well after rejecting the shots, the fact that this happened
to Aaron Rodgers, although of course you know it's completely
unrelated in any to COVID in any ways they or
form you know, people, people want to hit back. I mean,
that's where we are. And you know, this is another
(16:04):
terrible thing about where we are in terms of our
politics and public health, is that you know, there's a
lot of you know what the Herman Kane Awards are,
I'm sure where people talk negatively about somebody who was
unvaccinated and died from COVID and then meanwhile, people you
know who are not vaccinated. Sometimes I look, I have
to resist the medentation too when you see somebody who
(16:26):
might have died, you know, of a vaccine related injury
and spoke out against against those of us who chose
not to be vaccinated. We can't jump on them. It's
a human tragedy. Okay, it's a human tragedy on either side.
People are dying here something you know. People died of COVID,
people have died of mRNA vaccine side effects. Our goal
should be to try to stop all of it. But
(16:50):
the way to do that is not to pretend that
the vaccines work when they don't.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
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a story for you, Buck that I bet you don't
know anything about. But I bet our nine ten Am
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wife's family all from Michigan. We've got Michigan State grads.
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We've got Michigan grads. We got both sides of that
big rivalry in the larger Travis family again through my
wife Laura, who grew up in in the Detroit area.
She went to the University of Michigan, so Michigan State.
Buck has got a coach, Mel Tucker, who Mel Tucker
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got a ten year, ninety five million dollar job, a
contract to continue to coach football at Michigan State. He's
two years into that contract. He has roughly eighty some
odd million dollars left on that contract from Michigan State.
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He has been suspended from his job in the middle
of football season. He's been suspended from his job coaching
Michigan State. You might be wondering, what did he do?
What is the allegation that has been brought against him?
College football and college athletics in general has a lot
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of crazy stories. Buck. He called a woman who had
been doing training. She'd done a couple of speeches on
Michigan State. He became friendly with this woman, and he
began to have conversations with her outside of the work.
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She lived in a different part of the country, she
was on campus a couple of times. Spoke about sexual
assault and the need to be able for players and
coaches and everybody else not to be involved in sexual assault,
which I think pretty much everybody out there can say, yeah,
that seems like something that's worthy. Okay, So they develop
a relationship, the head coach, Mel Tucker and this woman,
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Brenda Tracy. They engage This is undisputed facts twenty seven
different phone calls Buck, of an average length of over
thirty minutes. I don't know how many of you out
there talk on the phone very often for over thirty
minutes at a time. I don't do that very often,
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certainly not one on one. He is being suspended and
going to be fired, and it is going to potentially
cost him eighty million dollars as a result, because they're
trying to fire him without four cause, which means they
don't owe him as payout. What did he do? One
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phone call? He allegedly had phone sex with this woman.
She turned him into the university for having phone sex
with her. She claims. This is a thirty six minute
post midnight phone call. Buck. She claims that she panicked
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and she couldn't hang up the phone, and therefore she was,
through the telephone call, a victim of the phone sex
call thirty six minutes in length. He is now being
suspended and he's going to be fired. They both acknowledged
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that they had a phone sex call. He says she
sent him pictures of the two of them, and he
started saying, man, you look so good in that outfit,
as one might and then it turned into a more
amorous conversation thirty six minutes. She said she froze couldn't
hang up the phone because she couldn't believe what was
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happening when he now is losing his job. Yes, this
is these are all eyes few to facts. I've got questions,
mind Ali, By the way, I might bring you in
as well as the woman here. Uh, this is this
is all undisputed. Producer. Ali is always there to keep us,
you know, all the ruck and eye, Buck and eye
if we're off the rails, because we're two guys like
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I hear this story. And by the way, one more
little detail here, Buck, after this incident, he's married. I
have a key question, but finishing in detail. Go ahead, Okay,
he's married. For people out there who might be wondering,
Mel Tucker, he says that he and his wife are separated,
but they have not officially gotten divorced, So just FYI.
To the extent that you're going to dive into his
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personal life, he says that she talked about their phone call.
He realized that it wasn't a good decision that he
had made, basically, and so he chose not to have
her come back and speak at Michigan State again. It
was at that time that she then turned him into
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Michigan State. And by the way, also another factor here.
A couple of months after this happened, she texted Happy
Father's Day to him, so that okay, your question, Okay,
all right, I got question. This is a crazy story.
I thought you would be blown away by this. This
is insane. Was she like her whole eye froze? I mean,
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if this guy was there for thirty eight minutes thirty
six minute phone call night, she says she just.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Going solo the whole time, because that's a lot of
effort of it. We do three hours of radio a day.
I don't know if I could pull off thirty six
minutes of dirty talk.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Was she eight?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
He says that she enjoyed it. That's his position. Does
she claim was she silent?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Or was she because if she was, like, you know, yeah,
like you're so strong, I'm just trying whatever, Like, what
is she even talking about?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I will give you what she said. They've done it
that they have that there's a twelve hundred by the way,
twelve hundred page investigation into this at Michigan State. And
I want to pull up the quote because I want
to get her quote right here. She says. Let's see,
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I want to make sure that I get this right. Ali.
What is your reaction as a woman to I froze
and I couldn't turn off, that I couldn't hang up.
I asked my wife about this. She said, I would
I have no issues at all hanging up with you
at any point in time. Do you believe that she could?
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She could have frozen. Here's what she said, By the way,
here's how the conversation. She said, she thought to herself,
oh my god, this is happening. I can't stop it.
In the moment, she said, it didn't occur to her
to hang up. Eventually she said something. These are her quotes.
Eventually she said something along the lines of if you
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do this, I don't ever want to hear about it.
We're only friends. That's it. When he finished, the coach
said thank you, good night, sweetheart. She responded yeah. Two
months later, she says that she He says, she sent
and I don't think it's disputed. Happy Father's Day. He
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then cancels her speaking engagement on campus because he thinks
this has gone too far, and she then turns him
in and now he is going to lose potentially an
eighty million dollar contract job. Are we waiting for all? Yeah? Frozen?
You're frozen by this story. If you were on the jury,
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and let's pretend that you're on the jury alley and
you here, because a lot of times women say, well
I wouldn't do that, but I don't want to judge
another woman for doing that, right, this is women are
more empathetic than men. I think a lot of men
are like, this is total bs. Okay. If you were
on the jury and she said, and I said, well,
why didn't you hang up? She basically says she froze
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and the conversation lasted thirty six minutes and then she
texts Happy Father's Day later, Like, what is going on here?
Like from I think she liked him. There's evidence that
they had obviously a relationship that was going on for
some time. I think he decided, you know what, this
has gone too far, basically broke it off, and then
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she decided to turn him in and try to extract revenge,
exact revenge in some way. Yeah, there is your analysis, Ali.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
There's I have a lot of questions too. I'm with Buck.
I post midnight call thirty six minutes. Keep it going.
I'm not going to pretend to know what another woman
is experiencing and why she reacts one way. Whereas I
would probably am phone call. I wouldn't even be on
a phone call after midnight with somebody I work with.
That's just weird. But that's me.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
There's so many more questions I have to really be
able to give you.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And was she she wasn't like his direct report, this
is important, that's important.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
She made a Title nine complaint, which again feels very
vindictive to me. I don't think she actually qualifies as
a co employee. The only relationship she had, she has
an independent business. She came as a vendor basically and
spoke to the football team.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
So this is like, this is like the attractive woman
who's like selling handbags in the office and Michael Scott
decides that he's gonna buy all of her handbags.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
And I'm talking about the office. I mean, I can't
turn it off whenever it's on.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, you know, she shows up and he's like no, no, like,
let's let her lay out all of her handbags in
our conference room. And he like turns the place into
a showroom. She was a vendor and outside employee that.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
She is not.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yes, to your point, she's not his director report, she's
not somehow employed full time by Michigan State. She lives
in an entirely different part of the country. In fact,
the phone call from his end that is now in
question originated in Florida, and she was all the way
in Oregon. There is no suggestion that he ever touched
her or did anything physically inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
He is.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I mean, this is potentially going to be the most
expensive phone call in the history of maybe business period,
because it could cost him this thirty six minute phone
call eighty million dollars. You thought nine hundred numbers were expensive.
It's like two million dollars a minute. Over two million
dollars a minute.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I just he's got to have legal, you know, legal
recourse here to get his job back. I mean, this
is the craziest thing I've This is one of the
craziest stories in this kind.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I couldn't believe it when I read it. Buck And
and by the way, almost no one is saying this
is crazy because everybody is so terrified in sports media
of the whole me too, universe that if a woman
it's like the Kavanaugh case in many ways, if a
woman says something, there's a huge cadre of people out
there who may well not believe it, but they're afraid
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they're gonna end up the target if they question any
aspect of the story.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Fortunately, there's some of us out there who, just like
when Kavanaugh was being lied about, we will say that
woman is lying.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
So in this case, she's not. She's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
It's just like the standard that distinction. I'm just saying,
this is crazy. She she didn't feel like coerced into
staying on a phone call. She's an adult. Give me
a break. This is the craziest thing I've ever heard.
I mean, you know, I can't tell you when I
get a telemarketer call. Imagine if I was like, I
couldn't the guy just my insurance and I stayed on
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the phone for two hours and gave him all my money.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Like that's my fare. Here's my question also for people
out there, and I understand age may factor in here,
because I think the older you are, the more you
enjoy in general, talking on the telephone. Twenty seven calls
an average of thirty plus minute for each of those calls.
Like I don't know that I've talked to somebody one
on one for over thirty minutes on a phone call
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in years. Like I can't even think of my wife,
my mom. I can't even think of the last person
that I would have talked to for over a half
hour on the phone.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I don't even like voicemails. Like when somebody leaves me
a voice message, I'm like, you couldn't have just texted me,
Like why do you have to leave me a voice
messal so I have to go listen to it and
then like try to get your number and figure out
what you said. Just text me like one sentence, like
instead of sending me leaving me a voicemail. So this
is crazy. This is going on, by the way, if
you want to react, to close out the show, eight
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hundred and two eight two two eight eight two one
of the most bonker stories I have heard in a
long time. Potentially a phone sex call that costs eighty
million dollars because people have lost their minds.
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Speaker 2 (33:04):
All Right, we're closing up shop here, but mines are
still blown. On the show and all across the country
on this story about the what Michigan State.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Who Michigan State had football coach Mel Tucker, I think
is getting a rig job of all rig jobs, eighty
million dollar contract. He's being right now, he's suspended. The
expectation is he's going to be fired for an argument
that he had a non consensual phone sex call with
a woman who spoke at the Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
This reminds me of the worst of the the political
correctness era stuff that we saw back in the nineties.
Now we call it woke, it used to be PC
and it seemed that there was this period where there
was a period where even very minor stuff, you know,
if a woman was offended, everyone had to take it
super seriously and people were losing their jobs and everything
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that canntinues with us, you know to this day in
some places, or at least with some organizations and entities.
But this one is to me. You know, adults have
to be able to exercise adult responsibility and a reasonable
man slash reasonable woman's standard.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yes, and if.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
You don't like the way a phone call is going,
unless the person can coerce you by saying stay on
the phone or I'll fire you, or stay on the
phone and I'll promote you, or something like that. But
if you just you know, met somebody, if you work
for a different company and you met somebody and they're
wanting to talk naughty, I think as an adult, you
have to be able to say, excuse me, sir, I
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don't talk naughty, and then you hang up.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
What about the idea of expanding consent to phone sex calls.
I mean, my mind is just blown by this in general,
and like and by the way, it's a retroactive recision
of her prior acceptance of the phone set.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I think when it comes to the verbal thing, like
if you stay on the call and you're engaging in
the call, you're consenting to the call.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I don't understand what no right, But I mean, like
it's one thing to say, like, okay, it was non
consensual sex. We now have a non consensual phone sex
that is costing somebody eighty million dollars. Well that you know,
in the case of the of the former, there's a
coercive aspect to it, right, So rather it's physical coercion, threats,
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actual arches, consent in face to face interaction I'm.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Saying, right, yes, but if you're absent any kind of
coercion and the in the verbal context here, meaning like
that's what I said. If if it's stay on the
phone for the phone sex, that you're fired. Yeah, of
course you're a jerk. You should be sued, get fired,
all that stuff. But if you're like, yeah, this is
like sign me up for the sexy phone.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Time, I don't know. Mac clay on.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
My mind is still blown after yesterday that Democrat state
Rep in Virginia who says that it's a sex against
her to say to share the video that she posted
online of herself doing sex things. Well, what is happening everybody?
What is happening both of these stories?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I mean, again, we talked about that Virginia story yesterday,
but this mel Tucker story, Like, I can't get over it.
Thirty six minute phone call that she now says is
non consensual and it's potentially gonna cost him eighty million
dollars over two million dollars a minute for that phone call.
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I just and the fact that you can retroactively be like, yeah,
I didn't consent to that phone sex call that we
had eight months ago. What I just I can't believe
that we managed to create this expansive of an arena
where guy's gonna lose his job. I think it's a
total sham, but a lot of people listening on a
nine ten am agree back to you know, naughty stuff
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in person is better than on the phone.
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