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December 14, 2020 16 mins

An NBA fan club with punk rock beginnings evolves into an unlikely friendship with a popular Los Angeles Laker. The true Hollywood story of how a couple of LA kids made themselves into stars in a town full of 'em. And an important lesson in how to create your own Showtime. 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Trickeration, a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome
back to Trickeration, the world's number one podcast about deception
in sports. I'm your host, Matt. Each week bringing you
stories about people who did it their own way, who
bent the rules, who tilted the playing field, who forged
their own sporting path. This week we've got a great

(00:24):
example of the ladder with a story of two teens
who's devoted fandom helped them worm their way into the
hearts of Laker fans and even onto the court in
the NBA Finals. Of all the Lakers players, there's one
that has a fan club. Kurt Rambis is the one
that has a fan club, and so yeah, people started

(00:45):
to look at him a little bit differently. Kurt Rambis
played for the Lakers from said the l a times
about the power forward. No one scores less and has
cheered more. The Lakers pr director during this time ranks
Rambis as the team second most popular player, behind Magic
Johnson and head of Kareem But a pair of brothers,
Scott Casey the l there and Dan the Younger, took

(01:08):
this Rambis appreciation to a whole different level. So this
was the end of two so that would have been
my junior year of high school. I had graduated already
and was going to a local college, and Sports Illustrated
had written an article on the San Antonio Spurs. They

(01:28):
were preparing for the Lakers, and one of the players
was unable to be there and they had to use
their trainer to stand in as Kurt Rambis. And they said,
you know, he's probably better than Kurt, but it was
still an inconvenience. Nonetheless, the Laker faithful Doug Rambis is
Charlie hustle game, all elbows and knees, his hard hat

(01:51):
style of play, and his iconic black corn rimmed glasses
with the rubber padding on the nose bridge, a working
man in a town of glitterati. I mean, why take
shots at that guy? Right? So I wrote a letter
to Sports Illustrated. Scott's letter chastise the magazine writer for
his Rambis cheap shot and explained rambiss value to the team.

(02:14):
After Scott had written the letter, I was like, all right,
we've got to sign it some way to make it
sound like we're something, right, They signed the letter Sincerely
Yours Rambis youth. That was kind of inspired by the
l a punk rock scene. We just wrote the letter
and never really had anything would come of it. And
what about Rambis appealed to you guys? Was there something

(02:36):
about you and your group of friends that really were
attracted to his style or his personality. It was obviously
a team with stars, you got cream, you got magic.
He had Norm Nixon, Jamal Wilkes. All that wasn't gonna
work unless somebody was gonna grab the rebounds and start
to break. The Lakers were all about style and speed,
but you needed that guy that was going to do
the dirty work. We understood the value of that, the

(02:59):
value of rebound on that team, So I think that
was something that attracted us to him. He knew his role,
so he was underrated, so we like that. Obviously, the
novelty of the glasses was helpful. We were big fans
of the movie Slap Shot where they had the handsome brothers,
and you know their fans did the glasses. One day,
we were buying tickets for the Laker game coming up.

(03:20):
They were playing the Seattle SuperSonics. We could get call
and age seats for four bucks with the student discount.
Back of the form then and imagine an NBA team
offering a student discount, so we bought eight tickets for
that game. So we invited our friends to go to
the game, or like, well, what should we do. We
got a bunch of guys, we should do something, and
then we just remembered Ram's youth and I was like, okay,

(03:42):
so what would that mean. Well, obviously we've got to
get the glasses. We actually went to a novelty shop
and got the corner glasses with the nose and the
mustache and the eyebrows on it. We had to pull
all that off and that was kind of chey because
of otherwise you're just a bunch of people to other
yelling form. But the glasses kind of set us apart

(04:02):
and gave us some notice. And then we're like, we
have to have a sign. And we were very low
tech at the time, so we got a bed sheet
and the cant of black spray paint and just spray
painted Rambis's youth and that was it. That was like
the entire idea at the time. Access was so different.
You could get anywhere. I mean, our seats are obviously

(04:23):
terrible seats, but you could go down right in front
of the court, or you could walk around in the middle.
So we would just walk around the court and hold
the sheet. As soon as we held it up, people
would cheer, and so then we go to another section
hold it up and people with cheer, and so we figured, man,
this might be something, you know, we might have to
continue doing this. So we kind of said, you know,

(04:49):
we need to step this up. And eventually we started
getting higher quality glasses. We go to thrift shops and
go through the glasses and just bust out the lenses.
And then eventually we made shirts just for ourselves. Um,
we made a silk screen from a photograph of Kurt
and you know, put the thirty one on the back
and it was you know, obviously the Laker gold and

(05:11):
people up I would see this group of eight people
all wearing gold, and they would say it look like
a gold wave, although Dan joked and said, you know,
we prefer being referred to as a yellow stain. What
was Kurt's reaction when he found out that there was
this fan club. I mean, he he must never have
had a fan club before. Well, the story is we

(05:33):
were in contact with Lawn Rosen, he was director of
promotions for the Lakers. One day he came up to
us and said, hey, you know, Kurt wants to have
lunch with you guys at the Forum Club and we're like,
all right, great, and then he said it's on April one,
and I really thought Lawn was setting us up. So
we all went, we have lunch with Kurt. It goes great.
Kurt was just a genuine, real guy, didn't have a

(05:54):
big ego, very laid back. We tell him, you know
how much we like him and why we're doing it,
and it's fantastic. We all have a great time. Kurt
was exactly the kind of guy we wanted him to be.
Fast forward a few years, we're reading this book about
the Showtime Lakers, and we learned that the reason Kurt
had asked Lan to do that was because Kurt was
gonna tell us to knock it off. He thought we

(06:15):
were mocking him and he didn't appreciate it. So it
didn't happen till he saw us that the lunch, he
understood that this was not a mocking thing at all,
that we really respected his game. We really enjoyed watch
him and play the rams you think had become so popular,
and converse was Kurt's shoe brand at the time, so
Converse was going to, let's not say steal our idea,

(06:36):
but something like that. So Congress had created shirts that
said I'm an official Ramba's Youth with Kurt's number on
the back. But what had happened was that season Kurt
had gotten injured, so he wasn't playing, so the idea
kind of got shelled. We were asking about the shirts
and they said, yeah, they're in Linda's office. Why don't
you go get some? And uh so we took them off.

(06:59):
We took boxes of shirts, and so we had so
many of those. We started selling those for five dollars.
Before the games. We would bring in stacks of them
and we would just sit down or the floor and
people would be like lining up. We're selling bumper stickers
as well. We always wanted all the celebrities to get
the bumper stickers, and were you guys able to get

(07:20):
one to Lakers super fan Jack Nicholson. When people got
close to Jack, the ushers were pretty tight, so we
had to get it to him real quick and then
get pulled away. So he got one, but I know
Dennis Weaver, we got one to Henry Winkler, um O J.
He was sitting on the floor with Marcus Allen by
just lean over and just you know, gave him some

(07:42):
bumper stickers. The tipping point in the Rambis youth movement
was some serendipitous car trouble en route to the forum.
Our car broke down and we started walking and this
guy saw who we were already, picked us up and
drove the rest of the way to the game, and
he was a peat for top on the fur. He said,
I want to get a picture of you guys, no problems,

(08:05):
And that one got picked up by a number of
newspapers across the country, including USA Today, which was on
the front of their sports page. Because it wasn't just
an l a thing. There were people kind of across
the country that responded to Kurt and his style of play.
So people were calling and ordering shirts. That's when we
were starting to mass produce. We were shipping the mouth
with the shirt, the bumper sticker. We even had a

(08:26):
number of autographed pictures from Kurt, which is another funny
story that kind of typifies Kurt. I called a Kurt
and I said, hey, Kurt, you do you think you
can get us some autographed pictures? He said, yeah, no problem.
Who do you want? I said, no, we want yours here.
He goes, oh okay, yeah I can do that. So

(08:46):
the Lakers used to have their training camp in Palm Springs, California.
So I talked to Lon Rose and I said, hey,
we want to go to training camp. Do you think
you can get us in there? Because he had no problem.
They do a scrimmage at seven a clock. I'll get
you into that. So we got out there at seven
am when it was supposed to be at seven TM.

(09:07):
So we're just hanging out. We called Curt at the
room and he said, yeah, it's until seven tonight. What
do you guys do? We're just hanging you know, why
don't you come into my room? So we we were
hanging out in his room for a bit and then
they had a team barbecue before the final scrimmage. So
we're just hanging out in his room on our own,
and uh, we're putting on his glasses and things like that.

(09:33):
The NBA Finals were an annual rite of passage for
Rambis's Laker teams, making the finals seven times in his
eight years, and whenever TV cameras needed a sound bite,
rambis youth was there and this is our year. We're
not going to stop until we get the championship. When
the playoffs would start, you know, it's tougher to get tickets.

(09:54):
So we would talk to Kurt and we'd say, hey,
we don't care where they are if you can just
get us in. So p had a friend that watched
the door coming in from the Forum Club. His name
ACTI was show and we kind of used to joke
and you know, that was our own version of Showtime,
as you know, him letting us in. It was so

(10:14):
strength that you're walking to the Forum Club, there's a
bunch of celebrities. They're right, it's it's actors as actresses,
as all the people who imagine. Then you see these
kind of eight kids with glasses and then we just
walked straight through without having any tickets. It was crazy.
The eighty four Laker squads squared off against the hated

(10:35):
Celtics for the first of three finals meetings that decade.
Rambays youth was there and they were confident it's gonna
be the easiest series of all time. I'll be surprised
if the Celtics for Game four. The iconic moment of
Rambis's career came during Game four of that series, when
Kurt was closedlined by Kevin McHale, spurring the youth into action.

(10:56):
In subsequent games. We're getting in Michale's face, you know,
pre game about back, you know, call him a goon
and a thug and things like that. We're kind of
setting him straight on kind of hoo Kurt was and
how valuable he was, And did you guys have any
interactions with any other members of the Celtics. Dan had
any encounter with Red Aisle Box Red Respot the year

(11:18):
after Lenn Bias passed away. Dan said, Hey, Red, who
are you guys gonna draft this year? I'll be sure
and notify his next of kin. And Red started coming
at him on that one, so I like stood up
and then of course he backed down. Was Red was
like eighty years old at that time. He was going
to fight me. Cedric Maxwell was the one Celtic who

(11:40):
seemed to get a kick out of the antics of
the Rambis youth, at one point bringing them onto the
Forum court to pose with them in their sign which
read compared to Kurt Maxwell is Derek. Maxwell was always
someone that would really engage with the fans. Of the
opposing team and uh, Maxwell, this is you know, pregame warmups,

(12:04):
you know, brought us out on the court and he's
talking to us and he visit. He let me try
those glasses and stuff. Let me see how the Ramis
glasses gone. I mean, the idea of just walking up
to a player before the game and talking to them
an opposing player, Um, it's just it's just unthinkable. With
the Lakers winning three championships in the mid eighties, the

(12:25):
Rambis youth found themselves partaking in multiple celebrations when the
Lakers had their championship parades and we're actually walking along
next to the float with him, So I mean we're
down the street yelling at curtain and you know he
recognized that. Hey, guys either going it was pretty huge
to be out there in that bedroom. And now there's

(12:45):
just no way. There's like half a million people for
a parade and you don't have that access, you know,
for the Lakers. And I mean they went to the
finals like nine times, so it wasn't just that, but
like we were going to the finals like every other year.
It was crazy. I mean, all these moments had happened.
It's just incredibly fortunate. Yeah, very very lucky. You guys

(13:06):
went over to his house at one point. What was
the circumstance behind getting to Krit's has That was right
after a championship. Remember we had a mug made for
him with rambis youth on it and thanks her like
all our names. So we just went out there, uh
and we hung out with him and his wife Linda,
uh for jeez, most of the day. The emergence of

(13:30):
the more athletically gifted a C Green during season brought
an end to the Rambis era in l A. Well.
Things had been going bad because Riley had stopped playing him.
We started to say to Riley, no Rambis, no rings,
which was a takeoff on his no rebound no rings. So,
I mean we could see what was happening. It was

(13:50):
it was clear what was going to happen, and maybe
it would be better for him to go to a
place where he could play. Rambis would sign a free
agent contract with the Hornets to be a veteran presence
during their inaugural season. So when he was heading off
to Charlotte, they had a special going away dinner and
Linda had called us up and said, you know, you
guys can come uh, and it's funny, she kept stressing,
it's a really nice restaurant. She obviously didn't want us

(14:14):
to wear the shirt and glasses. So we got to
meet your magic there. We got to talk to Michael
Cooper awhile. In fact, we were even kicking around the
idea since Kurt would leaving, that maybe we should set
something up for Cooper and we're going to call ourselves
coops troops. But we didn't do it. We just thought
we looked like sellouts, just you know, jumping on the
next thing, so we stayed boil the Kurt. One of

(14:35):
my favorite memories was at that dinner, Linda came up
to us and said how much she had appreciated what
we did for Kurt and how we really made Kurt
more popular in l A and really just just was
was really thankful for everything we had done. So that
that was really great when when she said that to us,
Kurt was also appreciative of the Rambish youth and all
of their support over the years. A Rambish youth right there,

(14:58):
I mean, that was that was to me. It was
the most fun I've ever had played basketball, and always
for number those years, but with the fondest of memories.
Did you guys have any interactions with Kurt long after
his career. The last time I talked to him on
the phone was when Scott was getting married. I had
promised that I I wouldn't get married till last thirty one

(15:20):
because I was church numbers. But then he went to
UH Sacramento didn't have thirty one available. He had to
take number thirty. So I got married at thirty and
so I called up Kurt and said, Scott's getting married.
Do you have any words of advice? I remember his
statement was it's time for the next generation of Rama's
youth to be born. Alright, that is it. Thank you

(15:48):
to Scott and Dan Casey and check out at Trickeration
on Instagram for some of their personal Rambis youth photos
which are wonderful. And thanks to the listeners for sending
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(16:10):
Chris Matt, Doug Russo, Chris how do we do this week, Maddie,
good job, keep up to good work now, thank you,
Chris al Right. Tuned in next week for a tale
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