The House Judiciary committee sent a letter to President Trump today demanding answers about special treatment of Ghislaine Maxwell after receiving what they call “whistleblower” information about Maxwell’s time at FPC Bryant, aka “Club Fed.” The letter accuses Trump of a quid pro quo agreement with Maxwell and urges the president not grant any form of clemency to “an unrepentant sex offender.”
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks, it is Monday, November tenth. The Epstein
saga continues. The latest bombshell, Gallaine Maxwell is getting to
play with puppies in prison. And with that, welcome to
this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. I start with that.
That is a part of a long, strongly worded letter
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in which folks are demanding answers from President Trump about
why Glain Maxwell is chilling in prison.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, that's one way to put it.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
The House Judiciary Committee sent a letter of demands to
President Trump, and it all is based on this new
evidence they say they got from a whistleblower, but certainly
a specific email that they say they intercepted that Glaine
sent her attorney saying essentially, yes, she is preparing pieces
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of evidence and certainly getting ready to add asked to
formally ask President Trump to commute her sentence. So Congress
is saying, wait a minute, before you even consider this,
we need to question you about what we're hearing is
going on at FPC Federal Prison Camp Bryant these days.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
That might mean they're essentially flat out saying and the
line is in there flat out saying, why is she
getting special privileges? And directly, I think, continuating that she's
getting them because she's covering something up for you, mister president.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You actually pointed this part of the letter out, and
we will get into excerpts of the letter, and they
are they are bombshells, truly. But this was the headline
that you saw, You said, Robes, did you read? This
is what Representative Jamie Raskin, who's the leading Democrat on
the House Judiciary Committee, who signed this letter. This was
kind of like the big accusation to President Trump. What
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information is miss Maxwell agreeing to suppress in order to
receive such outlandishly favorable treatment as a federal prisoner and
convicted sex offender.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Okay, how much of this is really somebody trying to
get to the bottom of this? How much of this
is politics? But this just once again shows rogues when
we think one part of the story has been put
to rest, I didn't. Where does this come from? A
whistle blower out of nowhere? This story is just another
further evidence that no one will ever be satisfied with
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any resolution to this.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Story correct because everyone feels like they aren't getting the truth.
There isn't any true transparency, and everyone is suspicious about
underhanded deals going on behind the scenes. So according to
this whistle blower information that House Democrats say they have.
One of the ones that stood out to me. They
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said within the halls of FPC Bryant, a top official
at the facility, has complained that he is quote sick
of having to be Maxwell's bitch.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
That was in a letter to the Resident.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
From the head of the House Judiciary Committee. Ranking member
right of the House Judiciary Committee wrote this to the
President of the United States, say, hey, we need some
answers because this guy over here working at this prison
said he's tired of being Glaiine Maxwell's bitch. So we
need to hear what's going on. This is where we are.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You can't make that up.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
This is where we are.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Like that actually was in a letter sent to the
President today. But among the whistleblower claims are these that
Gahlaine Maxwell's meals have been customized and prepared by Federal
prison camp staff and then personally delivered to her in
her cell.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
By longtime federal employees.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Have you heard anything. Have you heard any response as
to why, because they might think some of this all right,
there is a safety issue. We want to keep her
away from the general population kind of a thing. Is
there any defense being made like.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
That, Well, not directly yet to these specific claims, but
in general, anytime there have been complaints, that has been
the response that her safety is an issue, that everything
is being done to ensure Glene Maxwell's safety and the
safety of the other prisoners.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So everyone's safety is what is being considered.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
But the way he put it there with the meals,
it's like it's it's more that she sounds like she's
being like she has a chef there.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It sounds like she's getting filet mignon and truffle fries,
probably with the glass of sauvignon blanc.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
But he made it sound really bad, correct.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
The other allegation from this whistleblower is that when miss
Maxwell wants to arrange a private meeting with visitors, including
members of her family, the warden personally arranged it for
her and then provided a special cordoned off area for
visitors to arrive, as well as an assortment of snacks
and refreshments for guests.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Okay, they sound very hospitable there at at the prison.
I hear her has a good reputation for being one
of the finest that we have.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Again this, I don't know about the assortment of snacks
and refreshments assortments he did.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I'm literally quoting the letter.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I am not taking any liberties when I talk about
this specifically. So look, I understand this specially cordon off area,
perhaps because again of safety issues. Okay, I don't know
about the snacks. Here's another allegation. Miss Maxwell's guests were
permitted to bring computers, an unprecedented action by the warden
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given the security risk and potential for Miss Maxwell to
use a computer to conduct unmonitored communications with the outside world.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Now I hear that as a pretty big no no.
Again said these are his allegations with Okay, that one
could be solid, And you asked the question, why is
she being allowed to do it if everybody else is
not correct?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Here is another allegation.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
When the phone lines went down for other inmates at
the camp, Miss Maxwell provided specific instructions about exactly which
BOP personnel her contact should call and how those BOP
personnel would then connect to relay the call to Miss Maxwell.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Okay, she sounds resourceful to me. Bretty, y'all couldn't figure
out how to deal with this when the phones went down,
is what it sounds like. But again, how is she
able to know what to do how to do it
the exact she has a point to person.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yes, there is a point in which I don't know
if at one point in this letter they said that
Miss Maxwell treats the Warden as her personal secretary, like
her personal assistant, and that is how the warden actually
acts as if she is an assistant to Miss Maxwell.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Can't be treated that way. She must be performing and
acting that way. She's the one in charge. That's the
Are these things true about the warden? I don't know
if does she have an answer to She would have
to have an answer as to why she is possibly
behaving in such a way.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yes, oh right, Okay, so the next one was exactly
what I was just was just kind of paraphrasing. But
here's the exact wording. When Miss Maxwell wanted to review
and edit documents quickly, she essentially used Warden Hall as
her personal secretary and administrative assistant. Miss Maxwell's correspondence would
email documents directly to the Warden, who would provide them
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to Miss Maxwell, who would then review and edit them
and then provide them back to the warden to scan
and provide to the original center for other inmates. Simple
mail can just take weeks to arrive and is frequently lost.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'd like to hear answers to that, and I'm curious. Yes,
I am curious myself, Congressman rasking about that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yes, yes, okay, now here to your puppies.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, the puppies.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
An inmate who trains puppies to become service dogs was
instructed to provide one to Maxwell for a time so
she could play with the puppy, even though neither inmates
nor staff are ordinarily allowed to pet the service dogs
in training.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I went back to where we think the privilege is
that Glenne Maxwell got to pet a puppy, But you
have another inmate who gets the privilege of training puppies
as a job. So I don't know what's happening there.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I'm not It's unclear to me as well. There is
a puppy trainer, but apparently not a puppy petter.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You can't pet the puppies.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You're not allowed to pet the puppy because they're being
trained to be service animals.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
You know, I bet if we had more service. I
mean more what they call them a therapy dog. We
haven't played hospitals and places like that. How would those
work in prisons?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I agree if I would think that would be something
that both pets and prisoners could benefit from.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
But again, here we are talking about this is the
privilege that the others don't get.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
So that's that's the issue at hand. Yes, and then
here is another accusation. When miss Maxwell wanted to go
to the prison exercise area, she was personally escorted their
hours after hours by prison guards so she could work
out by herself and was allowed to enjoy recreation time
in staff only areas. Again, they could point to safety issues.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
But i' he put this out there. Does he want
real answers or is he found another way to tie
President Trump get more headlines about Trump Epstein with the
very clear message being she is getting this because she
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is hiding something for him. Is it seems to be
if you're cynical and just say, hey, that's politics, and
of course this is what's happening. I don't know how
big of a deal some of this stuff is the accusation.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I guess the accusations don't seem so outrageous or so outlandish,
but the point being, I mean, look, the wording that
was used in Raskin's letter is very incendiary. This top
flight luxury service has reached such a point of absurdity,
and you know, just dot dot dot dot dot. But
saying that these luxuries and these amenities have not been
afforded to any other inmates other than Glaine Maxwell, and.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
That is a problem. If the most is she not
the most vicious and would be the most dangerous inmate
at this prison.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
She absolutely is the only non violent offender, So yes,
only violent.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Sorry, she is the only violent offender in a otherwise
non violent prison.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
No one who is there committed a violent action.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, then for every victim, for every victim's family to
think that this woman is one got the privilege of
going to this place, he says, now is getting there
and living a life even better than some people on
the outside are. That is a that's injustice. So yeah,
it's legit. I would like to hear answers as well.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yes, and so what they are demanding among other things,
but the big demand that Congress, or at least the
Democrats at the House Judiciary Committee are demanding from the president.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
They want to speak.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
To it's deputy sorry, Deputy Attorney General Todd Lunch. They
want to hear directly from him. They want him to
be on the record, sworn in and hear directly whether
or not there was anything promised to Glaine Maxwell for
sitting down with him for those nine hours. And they
claim repeat lies and then go on to lavish praise
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on President Trump that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Part of the letter, how much I can pull the
letter up of that note up quickly enough, But they're
flat out saying that this was a up just so
she could get on the record and exonerate you, mister president.
That's right, that this was the point of this sit down,
was that to her to go out of her way
to exit. They use that word right, exonerate you, mister president.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
So he said, have you directed mister Blanche or anyone
else in your administration to provide miss Maxwell with that
transfer to the prison camp, favorable and preferential treatment in prison,
or special accommodations for her communications and interaction with her
family and the outside world. They are saying, this looks
like a quid pro quo, and we want mister Blanche
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on the record testifying before our committee, so we can
ask him these pointed questions about what you told him
to do and about what he did.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Well he ever get in front of them, I don't know,
but I know the last time a DOJ official got
in front of a committee on Capitol Hill, well, it
went explosively. That was PAMBONDI yes, right, So this is
his deputy. I can't imagine her deputy. I can imagine
him getting up there, and he'll be well versed in
how to handle him.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Democrats do not have the power right now because they
are not in power. They are not in the majority
to subpoena witnesses or hold formal hearings. So they would
have to get a Republican of Republicans to want to
pursue this as well. That seems highly unlikely, But there
have been Republicans who have also been on this side
of things and want answers from the Trump administration, and
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have demanded answers from the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I hold my breath.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Their big issue, though, is this news and the actual
email I have it in front of me, which is
Glaine Maxwell.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Specifically acknowledging, and this is a big deal.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
For the first time that she is officially putting in
that commutation application. So the subject line to her attorney
was commutation application, and in the emails she said, I
am struggling to keep it all together as it is
big and there are so many attachment. So it's clear
she has been spending time in prison preparing some sort
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of document, some sort of file that is supposed to
go to President Trump for consideration for commutation.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, we shouldn't be that's not a headline to me.
Of course, I would assume she's doing everything she possibly
can to get out of prison. I assume there's a
formal request. You don't just put it out and have
your lawyer go on TV. There's something that needs to
be reviewed and taken into consideration, and I'm sure there's
an equation even they plug all this stuff into So
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that's not a surprise. I don't know why anybody's shocked
or upset, or maybe they're trying to make sure the
President shuts this down immediately before the application he begins in.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
So when we come back, we will talk about what
Democrats we said, what they demanded. On one hand, they
want to hear from Todd Blanche they want him to
testify in front of their committee. But they're also asking
something very specific from President Trump. And they're not asking,
they're demanding. Then, and continuing our conversation around the House
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Judiciary letter sent to President Trump today making some serious
accusations and making some significant demands, Representative Raskin said and
reiterated this about Glaine Maxwell. He said, let's remember here,
Gallaine Maxwell was convicted by a jury of for peers,
he says, for some of the most harrowing conduct criminalized
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by our laws. And he said, and he brings up
Virginia Giufrey because he points out that Gallainne Maxwell has
denied being a part of any of this. She's denied
witnessing any criminal activity, so she has admitted nothing. But
this is and I actually didn't realize this. In Virginia's
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latest book that just came out posthumously, this is how
she described Gallainne Maxwell. Gallaine Maxwell is a monster. She's
worse than Epstein. She did things even worse than Epstein did.
She was vicious, she was.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Evil, and we can't follow up with her because of
what she experienced. What April, she took her own life.
This was in Australia. What was her How old was
she again?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
She was I believe forty one years old? Oh yes,
oh no, she was in her forties absolutely when this started.
She was fourteen when Gallainne Maxwell met her.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So she has an experience and I don't know how
we don't listen to her, and so we're hearing those words,
we can't follow up and the only person who has
all the all the details now is in a prison
and playing her cards. It seems. It really does seem
like I haven't put that together till this moment. But
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along the way she seems to be orchestrating a lot,
and it seems to be short of her freedom. She
seems to beginning as much as she can short of out.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Of prison right now, that's right, And in fact, look,
we over the weekend had another podcast because some of
her personal emails since she's been moved to this cushy
federal prison camp called Club fed by a lot of
folks because that's just how nice it is compared to
other facilities in the area.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But we and you can go back.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
It's actually a fascinating episode from over the weekend where
we read all of the emails that some of which
were procured by the House Judiciary Committee, the same committee
that is now issuing this letter to President Trump. But
NBC News also got their hands on some of these emails.
So we go through all of them, but they go
into a lot of details. She is admitting, she's not
admitting getting preferential treatment, but she's admitting how nice it
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is where she is, and how happy she is where
she is.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And compared to what she was experiencing somewhere else. This
makes perfect sense. But again we I'm trying to make
sure we're not dumping on the federal officials of any kind.
They didn't design some luxury prison for celebrities. This just
happens to be here, and it's a low security place,
so it seems like they're almost walking around and some
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kind of relative trust is given to them as they
walk around.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
They're not violent criminals, Okay, so why call it criminals?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yes, so it is different, It is different different, and
certainly for someone who is a convicted sex offen they're
doing hard time. Yeah, you are surprised that they're allowing
me to have a.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Puppy, Okay, yes, and so and so to that point,
this is how Raskin summed it up in what they
are asking of the president, He said, you should not
grant any form of clemency to this convicted and unrepentant
sex offender. Your administration should not be providing her with
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room service, that's what he calls it, with puppies to
play with, with federal law enforcement officials waiting on her
every need, or with any special treatment or institutional privilege
at all. It is indisputable that the order to treat
miss Maxwell as an honored guest rather than a federal
prisoner has come from the highest levels. Although you could
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reassure America today by telling us that miss Maxwell's treatment
has been orchestrated by a renegade faction within the Bureau
of Prisons and that you're ordering an investigation, he's saying,
if it isn't you, then it's someone else, and let's
go ahead and figure out who that is.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Let's work together on this president, Let's.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Find a way to come together and figure out what's
behind this preferential treatment. But yes, he said that miss
Maxwell has been treated more as a guest at a
Trump hotel than a federal prisoner, and a child sex offender.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Really brought it home there. I guess. I know you
have to write like that. It's supposed to be clever.
It's not impressive. What I'm saying is we get it.
And I think it is not justice for this woman
to be given preferential treatment as a convicted sex affict.
She shouldn't be treated any differently from any other prisoner.
I think that's fair.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
That's fair, but it's also questionable. Should she even be
in the prison she's.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
In And here's the thing, I don't know why she's there.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And there's been no explanation given, never.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Did any are even apologetic, just f oh well, nothing
to say. The prison can say, yeah, we don't make
comments on how we transfer for we don't talk about it.
Why we have no idea how she went from doing
an interview over two days to getting moved. Wasn't it
the same weekend?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It was within days? Yeah, within days. And so there
are demands now for answers which have not yet come.
And it's been pointed out by nearly every outlet that's
covered this story today and in the stories beforehand, it
is absolutely true that President Trump has never once said
that he was not considering pardoning Glenne Maxwell. He has
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always left that door open.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I mean he has he closed the door on any
of them that he asked about. He didn't close it
on did he did he?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Did he did?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
He?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Sorry, I cannot believe. I just did he did?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
He did?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
He didn't close the door on Diddy?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Not believe? I just said that.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You know what, it's some heavy material here, so I
don't mind a little bit of a laugh here. But yes,
So the letter says this, the time has come to
cease any koy or sly answers about granting clemency to
a convicted child sex predator.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I am demanding answers.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So I don't think by Raskin Representative Raskin demanding answers
that were suddenly going to get answers from President Trump.
But let's see if we hear some response. There usually
is a response, usually a koy sly one.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Certainly after such a strongly worded letter. This is the
one that's going to get him. Trump's not going to
be able to withstand just how strongly worded this letter was.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So we wait, and we will wait.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
We will watch, and we will pass on any new
information to all of you, but thank you so much
for listening to us. Every one on Mami roboch alongside TJ.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Here Snake ran
Hey there, folks, it is Monday, November tenth. The Epstein
saga continues. The latest bombshell, Gallaine Maxwell is getting to
play with puppies in prison. And with that, welcome to
this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. I start with that.
That is a part of a long, strongly worded letter
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in which folks are demanding answers from President Trump about
why Glain Maxwell is chilling in prison.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, that's one way to put it.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
The House Judiciary Committee sent a letter of demands to
President Trump, and it all is based on this new
evidence they say they got from a whistleblower, but certainly
a specific email that they say they intercepted that Glaine
sent her attorney saying essentially, yes, she is preparing pieces
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of evidence and certainly getting ready to add asked to
formally ask President Trump to commute her sentence. So Congress
is saying, wait a minute, before you even consider this,
we need to question you about what we're hearing is
going on at FPC Federal Prison Camp Bryant these days.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
That might mean they're essentially flat out saying and the
line is in there flat out saying, why is she
getting special privileges? And directly, I think, continuating that she's
getting them because she's covering something up for you, mister president.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You actually pointed this part of the letter out, and
we will get into excerpts of the letter, and they
are they are bombshells, truly. But this was the headline
that you saw, You said, Robes, did you read? This
is what Representative Jamie Raskin, who's the leading Democrat on
the House Judiciary Committee, who signed this letter. This was
kind of like the big accusation to President Trump. What
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information is miss Maxwell agreeing to suppress in order to
receive such outlandishly favorable treatment as a federal prisoner and
convicted sex offender.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Okay, how much of this is really somebody trying to
get to the bottom of this? How much of this
is politics? But this just once again shows rogues when
we think one part of the story has been put
to rest, I didn't. Where does this come from? A
whistle blower out of nowhere? This story is just another
further evidence that no one will ever be satisfied with
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any resolution to this.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Story correct because everyone feels like they aren't getting the truth.
There isn't any true transparency, and everyone is suspicious about
underhanded deals going on behind the scenes. So according to
this whistle blower information that House Democrats say they have.
One of the ones that stood out to me. They
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said within the halls of FPC Bryant, a top official
at the facility, has complained that he is quote sick
of having to be Maxwell's bitch.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
That was in a letter to the Resident.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
From the head of the House Judiciary Committee. Ranking member
right of the House Judiciary Committee wrote this to the
President of the United States, say, hey, we need some
answers because this guy over here working at this prison
said he's tired of being Glaiine Maxwell's bitch. So we
need to hear what's going on. This is where we are.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You can't make that up.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
This is where we are.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Like that actually was in a letter sent to the
President today. But among the whistleblower claims are these that
Gahlaine Maxwell's meals have been customized and prepared by Federal
prison camp staff and then personally delivered to her in
her cell.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
By longtime federal employees.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Have you heard anything. Have you heard any response as
to why, because they might think some of this all right,
there is a safety issue. We want to keep her
away from the general population kind of a thing. Is
there any defense being made like.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
That, Well, not directly yet to these specific claims, but
in general, anytime there have been complaints, that has been
the response that her safety is an issue, that everything
is being done to ensure Glene Maxwell's safety and the
safety of the other prisoners.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So everyone's safety is what is being considered.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
But the way he put it there with the meals,
it's like it's it's more that she sounds like she's
being like she has a chef there.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It sounds like she's getting filet mignon and truffle fries,
probably with the glass of sauvignon blanc.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
But he made it sound really bad, correct.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
The other allegation from this whistleblower is that when miss
Maxwell wants to arrange a private meeting with visitors, including
members of her family, the warden personally arranged it for
her and then provided a special cordoned off area for
visitors to arrive, as well as an assortment of snacks
and refreshments for guests.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Okay, they sound very hospitable there at at the prison.
I hear her has a good reputation for being one
of the finest that we have.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Again this, I don't know about the assortment of snacks
and refreshments assortments he did.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I'm literally quoting the letter.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I am not taking any liberties when I talk about
this specifically. So look, I understand this specially cordon off area,
perhaps because again of safety issues. Okay, I don't know
about the snacks. Here's another allegation. Miss Maxwell's guests were
permitted to bring computers, an unprecedented action by the warden
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given the security risk and potential for Miss Maxwell to
use a computer to conduct unmonitored communications with the outside world.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Now I hear that as a pretty big no no.
Again said these are his allegations with Okay, that one
could be solid, And you asked the question, why is
she being allowed to do it if everybody else is
not correct?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Here is another allegation.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
When the phone lines went down for other inmates at
the camp, Miss Maxwell provided specific instructions about exactly which
BOP personnel her contact should call and how those BOP
personnel would then connect to relay the call to Miss Maxwell.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Okay, she sounds resourceful to me. Bretty, y'all couldn't figure
out how to deal with this when the phones went down,
is what it sounds like. But again, how is she
able to know what to do how to do it
the exact she has a point to person.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yes, there is a point in which I don't know
if at one point in this letter they said that
Miss Maxwell treats the Warden as her personal secretary, like
her personal assistant, and that is how the warden actually
acts as if she is an assistant to Miss Maxwell.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Can't be treated that way. She must be performing and
acting that way. She's the one in charge. That's the
Are these things true about the warden? I don't know
if does she have an answer to She would have
to have an answer as to why she is possibly
behaving in such a way.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yes, oh right, Okay, so the next one was exactly
what I was just was just kind of paraphrasing. But
here's the exact wording. When Miss Maxwell wanted to review
and edit documents quickly, she essentially used Warden Hall as
her personal secretary and administrative assistant. Miss Maxwell's correspondence would
email documents directly to the Warden, who would provide them
(06:50):
to Miss Maxwell, who would then review and edit them
and then provide them back to the warden to scan
and provide to the original center for other inmates. Simple
mail can just take weeks to arrive and is frequently lost.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'd like to hear answers to that, and I'm curious. Yes,
I am curious myself, Congressman rasking about that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yes, yes, okay, now here to your puppies.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, the puppies.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
An inmate who trains puppies to become service dogs was
instructed to provide one to Maxwell for a time so
she could play with the puppy, even though neither inmates
nor staff are ordinarily allowed to pet the service dogs
in training.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I went back to where we think the privilege is
that Glenne Maxwell got to pet a puppy, But you
have another inmate who gets the privilege of training puppies
as a job. So I don't know what's happening there.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I'm not It's unclear to me as well. There is
a puppy trainer, but apparently not a puppy petter.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You can't pet the puppies.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You're not allowed to pet the puppy because they're being
trained to be service animals.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
You know, I bet if we had more service. I
mean more what they call them a therapy dog. We
haven't played hospitals and places like that. How would those
work in prisons?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I agree if I would think that would be something
that both pets and prisoners could benefit from.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
But again, here we are talking about this is the
privilege that the others don't get.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
So that's that's the issue at hand. Yes, and then
here is another accusation. When miss Maxwell wanted to go
to the prison exercise area, she was personally escorted their
hours after hours by prison guards so she could work
out by herself and was allowed to enjoy recreation time
in staff only areas. Again, they could point to safety issues.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
But i' he put this out there. Does he want
real answers or is he found another way to tie
President Trump get more headlines about Trump Epstein with the
very clear message being she is getting this because she
(08:51):
is hiding something for him. Is it seems to be
if you're cynical and just say, hey, that's politics, and
of course this is what's happening. I don't know how
big of a deal some of this stuff is the accusation.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I guess the accusations don't seem so outrageous or so outlandish,
but the point being, I mean, look, the wording that
was used in Raskin's letter is very incendiary. This top
flight luxury service has reached such a point of absurdity,
and you know, just dot dot dot dot dot. But
saying that these luxuries and these amenities have not been
afforded to any other inmates other than Glaine Maxwell, and.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
That is a problem. If the most is she not
the most vicious and would be the most dangerous inmate
at this prison.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
She absolutely is the only non violent offender, So yes,
only violent.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Sorry, she is the only violent offender in a otherwise
non violent prison.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
No one who is there committed a violent action.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, then for every victim, for every victim's family to
think that this woman is one got the privilege of
going to this place, he says, now is getting there
and living a life even better than some people on
the outside are. That is a that's injustice. So yeah,
it's legit. I would like to hear answers as well.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yes, and so what they are demanding among other things,
but the big demand that Congress, or at least the
Democrats at the House Judiciary Committee are demanding from the president.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
They want to speak.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
To it's deputy sorry, Deputy Attorney General Todd Lunch. They
want to hear directly from him. They want him to
be on the record, sworn in and hear directly whether
or not there was anything promised to Glaine Maxwell for
sitting down with him for those nine hours. And they
claim repeat lies and then go on to lavish praise
(10:47):
on President Trump that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Part of the letter, how much I can pull the
letter up of that note up quickly enough, But they're
flat out saying that this was a up just so
she could get on the record and exonerate you, mister president.
That's right, that this was the point of this sit down,
was that to her to go out of her way
to exit. They use that word right, exonerate you, mister president.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
So he said, have you directed mister Blanche or anyone
else in your administration to provide miss Maxwell with that
transfer to the prison camp, favorable and preferential treatment in prison,
or special accommodations for her communications and interaction with her
family and the outside world. They are saying, this looks
like a quid pro quo, and we want mister Blanche
(11:37):
on the record testifying before our committee, so we can
ask him these pointed questions about what you told him
to do and about what he did.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Well he ever get in front of them, I don't know,
but I know the last time a DOJ official got
in front of a committee on Capitol Hill, well, it
went explosively. That was PAMBONDI yes, right, So this is
his deputy. I can't imagine her deputy. I can imagine
him getting up there, and he'll be well versed in
how to handle him.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Democrats do not have the power right now because they
are not in power. They are not in the majority
to subpoena witnesses or hold formal hearings. So they would
have to get a Republican of Republicans to want to
pursue this as well. That seems highly unlikely, But there
have been Republicans who have also been on this side
of things and want answers from the Trump administration, and
(12:26):
have demanded answers from the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I hold my breath.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Their big issue, though, is this news and the actual
email I have it in front of me, which is
Glaine Maxwell.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Specifically acknowledging, and this is a big deal.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
For the first time that she is officially putting in
that commutation application. So the subject line to her attorney
was commutation application, and in the emails she said, I
am struggling to keep it all together as it is
big and there are so many attachment. So it's clear
she has been spending time in prison preparing some sort
(13:06):
of document, some sort of file that is supposed to
go to President Trump for consideration for commutation.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, we shouldn't be that's not a headline to me.
Of course, I would assume she's doing everything she possibly
can to get out of prison. I assume there's a
formal request. You don't just put it out and have
your lawyer go on TV. There's something that needs to
be reviewed and taken into consideration, and I'm sure there's
an equation even they plug all this stuff into So
(13:34):
that's not a surprise. I don't know why anybody's shocked
or upset, or maybe they're trying to make sure the
President shuts this down immediately before the application he begins in.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
So when we come back, we will talk about what
Democrats we said, what they demanded. On one hand, they
want to hear from Todd Blanche they want him to
testify in front of their committee. But they're also asking
something very specific from President Trump. And they're not asking,
they're demanding. Then, and continuing our conversation around the House
(14:12):
Judiciary letter sent to President Trump today making some serious
accusations and making some significant demands, Representative Raskin said and
reiterated this about Glaine Maxwell. He said, let's remember here,
Gallaine Maxwell was convicted by a jury of for peers,
he says, for some of the most harrowing conduct criminalized
(14:35):
by our laws. And he said, and he brings up
Virginia Giufrey because he points out that Gallainne Maxwell has
denied being a part of any of this. She's denied
witnessing any criminal activity, so she has admitted nothing. But
this is and I actually didn't realize this. In Virginia's
(14:56):
latest book that just came out posthumously, this is how
she described Gallainne Maxwell. Gallaine Maxwell is a monster. She's
worse than Epstein. She did things even worse than Epstein did.
She was vicious, she was.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Evil, and we can't follow up with her because of
what she experienced. What April, she took her own life.
This was in Australia. What was her How old was
she again?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
She was I believe forty one years old? Oh yes,
oh no, she was in her forties absolutely when this started.
She was fourteen when Gallainne Maxwell met her.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So she has an experience and I don't know how
we don't listen to her, and so we're hearing those words,
we can't follow up and the only person who has
all the all the details now is in a prison
and playing her cards. It seems. It really does seem
like I haven't put that together till this moment. But
(15:53):
along the way she seems to be orchestrating a lot,
and it seems to be short of her freedom. She
seems to beginning as much as she can short of out.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Of prison right now, that's right, And in fact, look,
we over the weekend had another podcast because some of
her personal emails since she's been moved to this cushy
federal prison camp called Club fed by a lot of
folks because that's just how nice it is compared to
other facilities in the area.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But we and you can go back.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
It's actually a fascinating episode from over the weekend where
we read all of the emails that some of which
were procured by the House Judiciary Committee, the same committee
that is now issuing this letter to President Trump. But
NBC News also got their hands on some of these emails.
So we go through all of them, but they go
into a lot of details. She is admitting, she's not
admitting getting preferential treatment, but she's admitting how nice it
(16:47):
is where she is, and how happy she is where
she is.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And compared to what she was experiencing somewhere else. This
makes perfect sense. But again we I'm trying to make
sure we're not dumping on the federal officials of any kind.
They didn't design some luxury prison for celebrities. This just
happens to be here, and it's a low security place,
so it seems like they're almost walking around and some
(17:12):
kind of relative trust is given to them as they
walk around.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
They're not violent criminals, Okay, so why call it criminals?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yes, so it is different, It is different different, and
certainly for someone who is a convicted sex offen they're
doing hard time. Yeah, you are surprised that they're allowing
me to have a.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Puppy, Okay, yes, and so and so to that point,
this is how Raskin summed it up in what they
are asking of the president, He said, you should not
grant any form of clemency to this convicted and unrepentant
sex offender. Your administration should not be providing her with
(17:50):
room service, that's what he calls it, with puppies to
play with, with federal law enforcement officials waiting on her
every need, or with any special treatment or institutional privilege
at all. It is indisputable that the order to treat
miss Maxwell as an honored guest rather than a federal
prisoner has come from the highest levels. Although you could
(18:12):
reassure America today by telling us that miss Maxwell's treatment
has been orchestrated by a renegade faction within the Bureau
of Prisons and that you're ordering an investigation, he's saying,
if it isn't you, then it's someone else, and let's
go ahead and figure out who that is.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Let's work together on this president, Let's.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Find a way to come together and figure out what's
behind this preferential treatment. But yes, he said that miss
Maxwell has been treated more as a guest at a
Trump hotel than a federal prisoner, and a child sex offender.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Really brought it home there. I guess. I know you
have to write like that. It's supposed to be clever.
It's not impressive. What I'm saying is we get it.
And I think it is not justice for this woman
to be given preferential treatment as a convicted sex affict.
She shouldn't be treated any differently from any other prisoner.
I think that's fair.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
That's fair, but it's also questionable. Should she even be
in the prison she's.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
In And here's the thing, I don't know why she's there.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And there's been no explanation given, never.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Did any are even apologetic, just f oh well, nothing
to say. The prison can say, yeah, we don't make
comments on how we transfer for we don't talk about it.
Why we have no idea how she went from doing
an interview over two days to getting moved. Wasn't it
the same weekend?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It was within days? Yeah, within days. And so there
are demands now for answers which have not yet come.
And it's been pointed out by nearly every outlet that's
covered this story today and in the stories beforehand, it
is absolutely true that President Trump has never once said
that he was not considering pardoning Glenne Maxwell. He has
(19:54):
always left that door open.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I mean he has he closed the door on any
of them that he asked about. He didn't close it
on did he did he?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Did he did?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
He?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Sorry, I cannot believe. I just did he did?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
He did?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
He didn't close the door on Diddy?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Not believe? I just said that.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You know what, it's some heavy material here, so I
don't mind a little bit of a laugh here. But yes,
So the letter says this, the time has come to
cease any koy or sly answers about granting clemency to
a convicted child sex predator.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I am demanding answers.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So I don't think by Raskin Representative Raskin demanding answers
that were suddenly going to get answers from President Trump.
But let's see if we hear some response. There usually
is a response, usually a koy sly one.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Certainly after such a strongly worded letter. This is the
one that's going to get him. Trump's not going to
be able to withstand just how strongly worded this letter was.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So we wait, and we will wait.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
We will watch, and we will pass on any new
information to all of you, but thank you so much
for listening to us. Every one on Mami roboch alongside TJ.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
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