January 23, 2024 • 40 mins
The team listens to and discusses the 911 calls that were made by Katie and Pat Chisenhall on October 12, 2013. These calls provide a unique glimpse into the Chisenhall’s account of what happened that day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi guys, it's Hillary here. Just a quick note. This
series does deal with a lot of tough subject matter
that may be difficult for some listeners, so please keep
this in mind when and where you choose to listen
to these episodes. Christian is frustrated. He stands outside of
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his father in law's house, demanding to see his child.
It was his day with his daughter and Jaden is
nowhere to be seen. The tension continues to escalate as
Patchisenhall dials nine to one one, believing that his life
and the life of his daughter, Katie are in danger.
He presses the phone to his ear and waits for
the operator to pick up Carnie Canny.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Now on one what have they had our spear emergency?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Last episode, we took you through Tony and Dolly's version
of events on October twelfth, twenty thirteen. On this episode,
we'll take you through what happened according to Christian's estranged wife,
Katie and her father Pat Chisenhall. I'm Hillary Burton Morgan
and this is true crime story. It couldn't happen here. Hi, everyone,
(01:15):
welcome back to another episode. By now you know our
lovely team. We have Dan Poe and Andrew here with
us and you guys. Last week we had Tony Griggs
walk us through what happened the day before and the
day of Christian griggs shooting, and beyond that not much
other information is revealed quite yet. We described and went
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on that journey with Tony, and we don't normally go
that route. Usually we have a member of law enforcement
or a lawyer or someone who was involved in the
investigation walk us through the facts of a case. In
this situation, there was no member of law enforcement that
wanted to talk to us, and so for so, you guys,
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how did we arrive at being able to present Katie
and Pat's narrative of that morning. Who did we reach
out to?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
We reached out to the investigator who ran the crime scene.
We reached out to the sheriff. We reached out to
the current sheriff and the former sheriff who was the
sheriff at the time. We reached out to law enforcement
and the prosecutors in this case, but most of them
never responded to our requests.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
There's a hazard for them to be interviewed because they've
written it off as a self defense case, so anything
they might say could open up a can of worms
for them.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Is it also a hazard though, to stay quiet? I mean,
if they are proud of their work and they stand
by their work, is there a hazard to not show
up and defend it. How much confidence can you have
in your law enforcement if they're not open to answering questions.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I think to answer your question, is there hazard and
not showing up and saying something for us for the
purposes of this program, I think that silence is the
best option when you don't know. I mean, there are
many sayings of two can keep a secret if one
is dead, right. The homicide detectives in New York used
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to tell us, if you're guilty, if you've done something wrong,
don't tell anyone silences.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It works well.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
They are absolutely presenting a united front because we contacted
the Sheriff's department and the DA's office and neither one
of them will speak to us.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
It's also important to remember that the statute of limitations
on prosecuting an actual murder homicide is it never closes,
so in theory, they could open a murder investigation case
at any time.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You would think that at least like the former sheriff
would talk to us because if he's not planning on
running for reelection, what's the harm.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Well, you know, because maybe he said this is what
we're going to do and he doesn't want to open
himself up to sully his legacy.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Now, the new sheriff is Waincoats. I don't want to
say new. He's been sheriff for a while, and he
is also kind of signaled that he is not interested
in talking about this case. He's not interested in prosecuting
this case, investigating it further. Nothing.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
So to answer your other question, is there a problem
with silence. There's no problem with silence if people just
move on.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Don't care. But if people are asking still all these
years later.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Right, So, the problem with silence is only when journalists
or documentarians or the family continue to raise Ruckus and
shine a light on it and ask the questions and
try to push the story out. Otherwise, if silence happens
enough and it just goes away, then that's the perfect response.
If you don't want to talk about.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
It, well, we may have come face to face with
a genuine blue wall.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, that's what it felt like.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Is the blue wall reel?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yes? I mean yes, So we're not saying that based
on like, oh, they don't talk to us. We're saying
that based on the fact that they turn on their
own when their own are critical. Who reached out to
the Chisenhalls on behalf of our show?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well, Celia, I believe reached out initially. Who's one of
our producers on the show. We tried many numbers and
never got responses. We did get in contact with Pat
Chisenhall's attorney and basically asked him, and he was like, Okay,
I'll talk to my client and see what he thinks.
And he wasn't interested. And I think we asked again
for sure, like are you you know we really would
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like to speak with us, and he officially sends an
email basically declining to participate. I think with Katie we
never actually spoke directly to her.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
We did reach out to her, but we got no
response directly from her.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
But I mean in their case, if they're just like, yeah,
we were this was a justified homicide, why would they talk?
I mean really, honestly, I mean with Pat chosen Hall,
if there's question, I would see why he would talk. Katie,
I can't imagine why she would talk either way. Regardless
even if she's like, this was absolutely clean and it
went the way it should, why would she talk at
this point? It's like a very ugly dark situation.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, it's very understandable why they did not want to
participate in why they want to put the whole thing
behind them.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, that's it. We're not trying to have like, aha,
gotcha moments. It is important for our production that we
ask everybody and we try to cover it from every
single angle.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well, there's two things that we have documentation of their stories.
We have police reports, we have other things that they filed,
a paperwork that they have filed. We have the nine
one one calls. We have Pat's interview at the police station.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
We have Pat's walkthrough, Pat's re enactment, which was like
that was absolutely the most vibrant.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, so we are able to get a lot of
their story directly from them by way of these documentations.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And the night before Christian's death, what does Pat say happened?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
So Friday night, we know from Dolly and Tony's story
that Christian went over to the Chisenhall's house to pick
their daughter, Jaden up. It was going to be his
weekend with Jaden.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
He had his visitation that they had agreed upon that weekend.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Right, But when he comes back to Tony and Dolly's house,
Jaden's not with him. So we don't know the exact
details of what happened when Christian went to pick his
daughter up, but we do know from official documentation that
something went wrong and Katie and Christian ended up having
an argument outside of her home.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And she wouldn't let him inside the house. So he
started banging on the windows and demanded to be let
into the house and she wouldn't let him in, And
she says that he then ripped a window air conditioning
unit out of the window in an attempt to gain
access to the house. He doesn't gain access to the house.
He just pulls the air conditioning out and then leaves.
But that's what the complaint is about.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
We have to do this back and forth behind the
scenes of like what is true, what is true from
Katie and Pat's statement, what is true from the context
that the Griggs give us, So just purely looking at
Pat and Katie's side here, it's that he came over,
he picked a fight, and because of that, he was
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denied visitation by his child's mother and so she feels
very justified in saying, no, you're a erratic right now,
I'm not going to put my child in a car
with you. He feels justified in that he should have
a say in who his daughter gets into a car with.
She was still very young at the time. So we
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have both parties feeling like they are in the right.
Pat and Katie's side is that after Christian leaves, they
get into the car, and what do they do.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Go to the police station and report Christian's activities there,
and the police issue arrest warrants for Christian for trespassing,
for breaking and entering, and for damaging the air conditioning unit. Now,
these arrest warrants weren't served. Nobody came to arrest Christian,
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and I believe all of these were misdemeanors and they
would have just held him for forty eight hours.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So Christian has no idea that these arrest warrants exist,
that Pat and Katie have started this ball rolling, And
so according to Pat and Katy, what happens the next morning.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So the next morning, according to the documents, we have
Pat and Katie say that they go file a restrainer
order against Christian basically trying to get something that would
say that Christian can't come around Katie anymore. So, from
what we could tell, they go and file it in
one county, and then they were told that they had
to go file a paperwork in a different county. So
this paperwork never actually got filed, but they say that
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they with the intention of filing or restraining order.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
For me, this is kind of the biggest story point
of this case. This is the reason why Christian is dead.
Christian and Katie have an all out domestic argument and altercation.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
He's yelling, cursing, and acting violent, is what the document says.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
The cursing is the part of the paperwork that is
interesting to me because I feel as though if Christian
had done things that were truly explosive or truly violent
or said direct threats, the Chisenhols were looking for any
excuse to put down on paper why he can't take
Jayden and why he can't come around. And the worst
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of it is that he cussed in front of his
daughter and that he took this air conditioning unit out. Now,
the air conditioning unit we know from photos was not destroyed.
It's placed on the car port right next to where
that window was. That a part of the crime scene
evidence that we have. There's no damage to the window
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that the air conditioning unit came out of. It doesn't
seem like there's an attempt to get in that way.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
So she would have said if he got in and
so he took the window unit out, he was yelling,
he was cussing. That's a scary situation, but it's also
incredibly important to say, this is one person's perception of
a dispute over custody that was clearly, we know from
the other side, an incredibly upsetting ongoing issue.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, the air conditioning unit is outside in the driveway,
right on the ground, but we don't know that he
took it out either. I mean, all we have to
go by is her statements and the fact that it's
sitting on the ground outside, so we could assume, but
you know, we don't know. We weren't there, so we
have to just take her word. At this point.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
We'll definitely get into more of that because we're going
to dissect this entire crime scene, all the evidence that's there.
But for the purpose of this episode, Pat and Katie
say they went that morning to get the restraining order.
The ball is in motion, and when they come back home,
Jaden's not there, you know, Jaden's off at a different
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location with Katie's mother. And so when Pat and Katie
come back to the family compound there, Christian shows up
fully expecting to pick up his daughter. So Christian was
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outside of Pat Chisenhall's house for like six minutes, and
most of that time is captured on nine to one
one calls. It's like we have a tape recorder at
the scene. And so for you all at home, because
the calls overlap and because there are mere seconds between
the phone calls, we are going to air them for
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you right now in their entirety. So if that sounds
a little bit confusing, just know that it is also
confusing for us. But it is important to understand when
Katie and Pat were on the phone at the same time.
Some quick caveats. With these calls, we are purposely cutting
out personal information. The quality of these can be tricky
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at times because they are phone calls, and lastly, they're
difficult to listen to, So please, if you choose to
listen to them, take good care of yourselves. Ni Katie
picks up the phone at ten fifty one am on
October twelfth, twenty thirteen, she dials nine to one to one.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Triff Pon, Hi, I need someone at my house. My
husband is in my yard at and crazy threatening may
sure my dad?
Speaker 8 (13:48):
And what's your nine Kiti Grigg?
Speaker 6 (13:53):
And you said this is.
Speaker 9 (13:54):
Your dad, my husband husband's home. You're and wants your
husband the same.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
Christian Griggs And I'm at I was right beside my parents' house, okay.
Speaker 9 (14:07):
And does he have any weapons on him?
Speaker 7 (14:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (14:13):
Has he threatened you in any way?
Speaker 7 (14:15):
Yeah? What he threatening my dad?
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Has he assaulted you?
Speaker 7 (14:20):
Not today?
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Is he drinking or doing drunk?
Speaker 7 (14:26):
He has? I don't know, he has warrant? So I
went last night he.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
Shut his the ascent to what kind of wants on you?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
He was beating on.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
My door last night to domestic truth pastoral I think
was what they called it. And damaged to the property
that he did.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
What's his day to birth?
Speaker 9 (14:48):
My hych?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Check that?
Speaker 9 (14:49):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (14:51):
And he is still at this other location?
Speaker 9 (14:53):
Correct?
Speaker 7 (14:54):
He is on my front porch. Okay, all right, I'll
get somebody started that.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
One an thank you?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
All right? So Katie's call ends at ten fifty three am.
And something I do find interesting is that the nine
one one operator asks Katie if she's been assaulted and
her response is not today. So what does that inform
the nine one one operator.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
It implies that she's saying that he may have assaulted
her on another occasion, but not today.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And then she goes further into that by saying he
has warrants out for his arrest. We went last night
to POU reports against him.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
So those warrants were for domestic criminal trespassing and breaking
or entering with injury to real property. So that seems
like it would be the damage Christian did to the
air conditioning unit.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
And so as she continues on the phone with nine
one one, they say where is he right now? And
she has to clarify he's on the front porch, but
it's of her parents' house, so really she's saying she's
next door, and she's saying Christian is on the front
porch now. Andrew made a good point when we were
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listening to this. She's saying that we don't know if
she's looking out the window, if she's hiding in a closet,
and that's just the last place she knew he was,
but in this phone call, the last thing she says
to nine one one is he's on the front porch.
And then how many seconds later does her father's phone
call come in.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I mean it's overlapping. Her father's first phone call comes
in as she's on the phone. No, yeah, ten fifty yes,
at ten fifty three her call ends. His starts at
ten fifty one thirty seven, so a minute and a
half before the end of her call, her father Pat
calls nine one one Carney.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
County, Now on one. What is the address fear emergency,
Carney County, now one one. What is the address fear
margency or hell Harnett County, Now one one. What is
the address of your emergency? I came for your name,
cut up, chisten hall, okay, and tell me exactly what happened.
(17:10):
My daughter is a strange past and we have a
restraining order against and kick it out last night and
it's here making threats against this morning. Okay.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
But he's there now, yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
You said you took the restraining order out last night.
Speaker 9 (17:39):
Last night, and we were looking at the mass of
the chip.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Was it a domestic violence restraining order or was it
just a restraining orders violence. Okay, any weapons involved?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
No, not this time.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, my partner's gonna dispatch your deputy. Let me ask
you a few specific questions.
Speaker 9 (18:08):
Okay, good, okay, hold on just a second.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Are you at the location now, sir?
Speaker 9 (18:20):
Exactually, my house is is next door.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And your daughter is with you now?
Speaker 9 (18:45):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Okay, sir? Where is he at now?
Speaker 9 (19:05):
He's out in the yard. He's sitting on the front porch.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Okay, I need to get his description. What race is he?
Black nail and what kind of clothing does he have on.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
A sweater with a hood?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Okay? What kind of pants? Great?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Then?
Speaker 8 (19:30):
How old is he?
Speaker 9 (19:32):
I think twenty four, I believe?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Okay. What is his name?
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Christian Griggs g r I DT And.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
How do you spell his first name?
Speaker 9 (19:45):
Christian p h R I S T high A n Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
What is his demeanor?
Speaker 9 (19:50):
Sir? Hostile?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And he said this is your daughter's a strange husband.
Speaker 9 (19:59):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
How tall is he?
Speaker 9 (20:07):
How about five five eleven?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
And what does his waiter build?
Speaker 9 (20:13):
The medium? Maybe you're kid, I'm a kid.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
You could let him that's fun to know.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
That's fine, okay, sir, look at me.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Sir, can you can you take yourself to a safe
location and avoid any further contact with him.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
You can can do what he self?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Can you take it? Can you go inside and lock
your doors and the windows and avoid any further confrontation
with him until an officer can arrive. Sure, okay, get
yourself to a safe location and just avoid any contact
with him.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
Okay, I think say, did he arrive in a vehicle?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah? What kind of vehicle was it?
Speaker 9 (20:55):
Sir?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Wa?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Color? S is it a two door or four door?
Speaker 9 (21:09):
Door?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
And where's the vehicle park at? Now?
Speaker 9 (21:19):
Had the other house? My daughter's sound, we're that side
by side?
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Okay, are you or anyone else in immediate danger? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (21:36):
I think so possibly?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Okay are you able to get yourself to safety?
Speaker 9 (21:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Can you if you think you can leave safely? Get
away now? And where are you gonna go?
Speaker 9 (21:48):
Well? I think I can get in the house. I
think I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Here, Okay, if you can get in the house, sir,
take the phone with you. What was the threats that
he made.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Me?
Speaker 9 (22:00):
A just looking through the windows shouting if my daughter
demanding it to see your child? And okay, it's crazy,
all right, sir?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Just keep very quiet and try to stay out of
sight and avoid any confrontation with them. Lock your doors
and windows if he if anything changes, or if he
tries to get in and you're inside, call us back
immediately and let us know.
Speaker 9 (22:28):
Agree to get the training order left side, Yes, sir, I'm.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Going to try to look that up so our deputy
can know. If you can't make a list of all dates,
times and details of any previous instances. Do not disturb
anything at the scene, including any weapons, tools or objects
found nearby, and officer what has been dispatched, if you
could just give a call back immediately.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Now, patsphone call is very calm, almost like we were
shocked that there wasn't a faster response time between questions
and answers with nine to one one.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
There's much less urgency in his phone call than in
Katie's phone call.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And so Pat says, we filed a restraining order last night.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Which we just to point out. Katie says, warrant, which
is what it was. He's saying restraining order, which it
was not.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Well, he's saying they got restraining order last night, but really.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
He is mixing up that it was that morning. They
had actually gone to try to and failed to file
a restraining order.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
But again the same way, they said to Katie, has
he assaulted you? And she said not. Today they asked
Pat does he have any weapons? And Pat says not
at this time.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
No, he says, are there any weapons involved?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Christian, here's the word hostile. You know Pat's on the
phone and everything he's saying is very yes or no.
We've all been in that situation where we don't want
the person around us to know who we're on the
phone with, and that is what it sounds like. Yes, no,
he's here. But as Christian approaches the word hostile, nine
to one one asks what is his demeanor? He says hostile,
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and that's when Christian jumps in. That's when he knows
he's being spoken about, and he jumps in and says,
let me talk to them, right, and then follows it
up with.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
What he says, you can't tell a father what to
do with his child. When he's near Pat. You hear him,
and he's not screaming being violent, even though that's been
what's being said, right, He's clearly not next to Pat.
And then when he is next to him, he's saying,
let me talk to the police. And then he's talking
about his child, which is the base of this whole dispute.
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Him trying to get his child since he was supposed
to have custody that day.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
And what do we know from Christian's phone records that
he was doing in this time period.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
He calls Tony Yep, Christian makes several phone calls. Also,
Christian calls his father and tells him what's going on.
Christian also has been making calls really all morning to
various lawyers. I think actually at least one of them
is right in the middle of all of this.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Nine one one asks Pat Chisenhall. Can you get to
a safe location? He says yeah. They say are you
in immediate danger? Can you get to safety? And he says,
I think I'm okay here, Yeah, I can do that.
And they do that exchange twice. It's like they ask
him if he can get to safety and he says yes.
(25:27):
But then he's not saying I'm walking across the yard.
He's not narrating what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Then he has an interaction and then again they say
can you get to safety? Yes, And when he says
are you an immediate danger? He goes maybe I think so.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
So what's nine one one saying to him? They're telling
him that people are on the way. There are certain
lines that nine one one has to say, like avoid him,
avoid any contact, avoid any interaction with him, just close
the blinds, lock the doors, lock the windows. They are
telling him to de escalate by avoid, avoid, avoid, And
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so they've asked him twice, now, can you get to safety?
He says yes, and as they're still kind of giving
him instructions, the call drops out. We know from Pat
chisen halls later nine to one one call. He says
to the next operator, I dropped my phone before. But
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that call cuts out, and at that point we hear
no yelling. We hear no breaking of a window. Seemingly
Christian isn't close to him, and.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
No one said he's broken a window yet.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And no one has said anything about break entering yet.
Pat's making his way up the porch stairs is our
assumption to get into the house.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
That's what he says.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
He's doing well, because that's what he tells us. Yeah,
of course, you know. But then two seconds later we've
got a call from Kate and this one comes in
at ten fifty eight am, Johnson County.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
He's trying over here.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
He is broken to my house.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Wait, man, where are you at?
Speaker 9 (27:22):
Come over to Shampot please okay, I don't know. Okay,
you will currently being sir.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
I just called a speck to someone.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
My husband.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
He is broke into my house. I just called y'all
said you were sending some woman who's broke into my house.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
Please, okay, I've got two deputies coming.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Man, Please thank you for Lea Hurst.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
She's panting. I mean, it takes a minute for any
actual words to happen, and she sounds incredibly freaked out.
It's hard. There's a lot of background noise. There's definitely
some from the call center. You can definitely hear certain
things from the call center and background chatter from the
nine one one end of it. She sounds really scared.
(28:17):
She's saying that he's breaking into the house.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
At the same exact time her father's supposed to be
entering the house. Let's hear the last phone call. It
is Pat Chisenhall calling in at ten fifty nine am.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Carn it counting now one one address fear murvent saints. Okay,
your name to the world. I exactly what happens, sir,
I'll just call a moment for.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Builder person with certainly shut up trying to do in
the doors in the coming.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Up.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
You shocked nobody who was breaking into your house.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
I'll just call it a moment for your dropped the bone.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
Okay, all right, say on the phone with me. Okay,
where's he at right now? Is he breathing? Okay? Hold
(29:29):
on one second, sir, don't hang up. Hold on, I've
got help all the way. Okay, sir, Are you still
with me? Okay, I'm gonna ask you some questions. Okay,
all right? Is there anyone there that can go check
on him and see if he's breathing? Okay? Can you
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tell where he was shot at?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
All right? How old is he?
Speaker 6 (30:13):
Fool? Tell you long lot from home?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Your fa?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (30:35):
All right?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Quarter?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
All right?
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Is he awake?
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Sir? I don't know he's molly knows?
Speaker 8 (30:46):
All right? Is he still breathing?
Speaker 7 (30:49):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Brick christ bred?
Speaker 8 (31:01):
All right, sir? Is there any serious bleeding with him?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Okay? I don't think so.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
You can't tell, all right, sir?
Speaker 9 (31:14):
All right, sir?
Speaker 8 (31:22):
How many times did you shoot him?
Speaker 9 (31:24):
I'm not sure?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
You're not sure?
Speaker 6 (31:28):
I don't know. Sil Okay, that's what he's not.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
That's what he's all right, sir.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
We have him on the way to you. Okay, I'm
staying on the phone with you. I'm going to Okay.
If someone getting medicate for me, I'm tame. Well, they
had something they were calling in, Okay, sir, all right,
So tell me a little bit more about what happened.
(32:03):
He was communicating threats, see you, Yes, we were.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
We got a restraining order last night against him, domestic
violence against my daughter, just last night. And he came
this morning possible threatening the sertingly beat me up and
then I tried to get him all outside and my
daughter ran in the house and locked the door. He
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was chasing me and I locked the door just in
a second and he was there on going. Then he
busted in the window, put it beside the door and
was coming through the window, kneeling the threads, and I thought,
hen he was coming through the window.
Speaker 8 (32:42):
Okay, right, all right, So you've got a restraining order
out on him. What's his name, Christian?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (32:54):
And who did you speak with last night when this happened.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
His father just arrived and he's possible.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
Father's there now they're on the way, sir. Okay, I'm
actually showing someone to be there. Do you see an
officer out there? All right, I'm gonna stay on the
phone with you until he gets right there with you. Okay,
all right, Now is the officer there with you? Okay?
(33:30):
All right, sir, I'm going to let you go. Okay,
this is They're there with you, all right, thank you.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
I shot him in the stomach. I don't know how
many a couple. I think he's breathing. I'm looking through
the window.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
He heard a moaning.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
We hear him say, O, Katie, call your mom, and
then we hear him say, oh, Christian's dad is here,
and then he says the police arrived.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
So we know that that's when Christian was shot in that.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Minute and a half minute and second, unless it happened
before any of this and Katie was on her phone.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Well, we hear Christian's voice on Pat's first nine one
one call, so we know that he's alive during Pat's
first nine one one call, and we also know that
he's been shot before Pat calls ninel one the second time.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Right now. On the other hand, so there's a minute,
what do we say, a minute in six seconds. The
math of from ten fifty eight thirty six to ten
fifty nine to forty two, that's a minute in six
seconds between when Pat's on the phone, the phone is dropping,
the calls dropping, and Pat calling and saying he's shot,
and we know between that time. So that's a minute
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for all of those things to happen. But meanwhile, Katie's
on the phone with nine to one one.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
That's right. So whether it starts exactly two seconds after
Pat's call ends or some other time, they definitely.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Were overlapping, and we don't hear any of that back
and forth struggle trying to close the door of that class.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
May not the minute in half, it may not be
six seconds, may not be verbal at that point.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Nobody would be saying it. He's telling us, yes, I'm
going to try to get in the door. Call drops,
She's on the phone saying he's trying to get in,
Please send help, and then on her call please send help.
It sounds like we hear Pat. It sounds like Pat's yelling.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
She's saying he's in, he's broken in, broken.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Into the house, and sounds like we hear Pat yelling.
And then you stop hearing it. She gets off, she's calmer,
and then Pat calls back before the end of her
call and says, I've shot.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
So we can speculate about this over and over and
over again, and it really is something that confounds me
every time I listen to it, because the expectation is
we would hear the gunshots, we would hear the glass break,
we would hear the struggle. It jinks. I mean, that's
how often we've talked about it, is that we've fallen
into the same speech pattern. We're like, these are the
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things that we expect. I mean, it's a minute in
six seconds for this thing to happen. But it's not
just that it's a minute in six seconds. It's also
that Katie's on the phone during that. It's a recorded minute,
and right exactly.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
One minute and four of seconds of that time is
being recorded on Katie's call. You do hear Pat yelling
in the background, so maybe that's happening.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, I'm going to make two points. Just that the
people listening are clear, and we're listening to these nine
on one calls, there is a lot of noise in
the background. That's not just the two people. The naim
on one call or and either Pat or Katie talking.
You hear typing on the computers from the nim on
one call, you know, the number one operator basically reporting
the incident, typing in the incident. You hear other voices,
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supposedly people in the background at the niem on one
call center, sort of fielding other calls or dispatching deputies
to the scene. We hear a voice that sounds like Pat,
but we can't tell. We don't. I don't understand what
he's saying. We can't really quite tell. We hear that
strange moan that we don't know where that comes from.
Is it Christian? Is it Pat?
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Is it just an inanimate object?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Is this sirens sound at the call center? I mean,
we just don't There's a lot of sounds that we're
hearing in here that we can't explain. We don't necessarily
know exactly where Katie is during her call on her
second night one will call. She doesn't say I'm in
the closet, or she doesn't say I'm in the living room.
She doesn't say where she is. But we do have
notes or I think deposition from the investigator who says
(37:13):
that when he took the initial statement at the scene,
Katie said she was in the closet.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
We also have Pat saying, I don't know where she was,
but I found her cling in the closet later that said,
during his call, we have him hollering to.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Katie, Katie, call your mother, tell her not to come home.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Right, So we know that there's some interaction between them
during this call.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
It is such a short span of time between that
first call where Christian is alive and the fourth call
where Christian is struggling for his life. And so I
know that those were incredibly difficult to listen to, but
they are so important in helping us not only understand
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the timeline of what happened that day, but also understanding
a very different perspective. You know, we can hear the
fear in Katie's voice, just like we can hear Pat's
voice admitting that he shot Christian. Now, we're going to
continue to explore the events of what happened right after
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Christian was shot in our next episode, and that includes
Pat Chisenhall's own retelling of the day in question. That's
it for this week's episode of True Crime Story. It
couldn't happen here, but be sure to join us next
week as we dive deeper into the Christian Griggs case.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
There was, like I said, stay.
Speaker 9 (38:35):
Shop now, just it seems so real.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Sometimes starting out of Sunday, something happened and I just
I've had panic attack after panic attack, which.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
I've never had before.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Join us next week as we continue to roll up
our sleeves and dig in. Thank you so much for
joining us. If you haven't watched Sundance TV's True Crime
Story It Couldn't Happen Here, you can catch all of
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was produced by Mischief Farm in association with Bungalow Media
and Entertainment, Authentic Management Productions, and Figdonia in partnership with
Sundance TV. Executive producers are me Hillary Burton, Morgan, Liz Accessory,
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Robert Friedman, Mike Powers, and Meg Mortimer. Producers are Maggie
Robinson Katz and Libby Siegel. Our audio engineer is Brendan Dalton,
with original music by Philip Radiotis. We want to say
a special thank you to everyone who participated, but especially
the families impacted by our cases.
Hi guys, it's Hillary here. Just a quick note. This
series does deal with a lot of tough subject matter
that may be difficult for some listeners, so please keep
this in mind when and where you choose to listen
to these episodes. Christian is frustrated. He stands outside of
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his father in law's house, demanding to see his child.
It was his day with his daughter and Jaden is
nowhere to be seen. The tension continues to escalate as
Patchisenhall dials nine to one one, believing that his life
and the life of his daughter, Katie are in danger.
He presses the phone to his ear and waits for
the operator to pick up Carnie Canny.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Now on one what have they had our spear emergency?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Last episode, we took you through Tony and Dolly's version
of events on October twelfth, twenty thirteen. On this episode,
we'll take you through what happened according to Christian's estranged wife,
Katie and her father Pat Chisenhall. I'm Hillary Burton Morgan
and this is true crime story. It couldn't happen here. Hi, everyone,
(01:15):
welcome back to another episode. By now you know our
lovely team. We have Dan Poe and Andrew here with
us and you guys. Last week we had Tony Griggs
walk us through what happened the day before and the
day of Christian griggs shooting, and beyond that not much
other information is revealed quite yet. We described and went
(01:37):
on that journey with Tony, and we don't normally go
that route. Usually we have a member of law enforcement
or a lawyer or someone who was involved in the
investigation walk us through the facts of a case. In
this situation, there was no member of law enforcement that
wanted to talk to us, and so for so, you guys,
(02:01):
how did we arrive at being able to present Katie
and Pat's narrative of that morning. Who did we reach
out to?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
We reached out to the investigator who ran the crime scene.
We reached out to the sheriff. We reached out to
the current sheriff and the former sheriff who was the
sheriff at the time. We reached out to law enforcement
and the prosecutors in this case, but most of them
never responded to our requests.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
There's a hazard for them to be interviewed because they've
written it off as a self defense case, so anything
they might say could open up a can of worms
for them.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Is it also a hazard though, to stay quiet? I mean,
if they are proud of their work and they stand
by their work, is there a hazard to not show
up and defend it. How much confidence can you have
in your law enforcement if they're not open to answering questions.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I think to answer your question, is there hazard and
not showing up and saying something for us for the
purposes of this program, I think that silence is the
best option when you don't know. I mean, there are
many sayings of two can keep a secret if one
is dead, right. The homicide detectives in New York used
(03:17):
to tell us, if you're guilty, if you've done something wrong,
don't tell anyone silences.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It works well.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
They are absolutely presenting a united front because we contacted
the Sheriff's department and the DA's office and neither one
of them will speak to us.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
It's also important to remember that the statute of limitations
on prosecuting an actual murder homicide is it never closes,
so in theory, they could open a murder investigation case
at any time.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You would think that at least like the former sheriff
would talk to us because if he's not planning on
running for reelection, what's the harm.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Well, you know, because maybe he said this is what
we're going to do and he doesn't want to open
himself up to sully his legacy.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Now, the new sheriff is Waincoats. I don't want to
say new. He's been sheriff for a while, and he
is also kind of signaled that he is not interested
in talking about this case. He's not interested in prosecuting
this case, investigating it further. Nothing.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
So to answer your other question, is there a problem
with silence. There's no problem with silence if people just
move on.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Don't care. But if people are asking still all these
years later.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Right, So, the problem with silence is only when journalists
or documentarians or the family continue to raise Ruckus and
shine a light on it and ask the questions and
try to push the story out. Otherwise, if silence happens
enough and it just goes away, then that's the perfect response.
If you don't want to talk about.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
It, well, we may have come face to face with
a genuine blue wall.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, that's what it felt like.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Is the blue wall reel?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yes? I mean yes, So we're not saying that based
on like, oh, they don't talk to us. We're saying
that based on the fact that they turn on their
own when their own are critical. Who reached out to
the Chisenhalls on behalf of our show?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well, Celia, I believe reached out initially. Who's one of
our producers on the show. We tried many numbers and
never got responses. We did get in contact with Pat
Chisenhall's attorney and basically asked him, and he was like, Okay,
I'll talk to my client and see what he thinks.
And he wasn't interested. And I think we asked again
for sure, like are you you know we really would
(05:37):
like to speak with us, and he officially sends an
email basically declining to participate. I think with Katie we
never actually spoke directly to her.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
We did reach out to her, but we got no
response directly from her.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
But I mean in their case, if they're just like, yeah,
we were this was a justified homicide, why would they talk?
I mean really, honestly, I mean with Pat chosen Hall,
if there's question, I would see why he would talk. Katie,
I can't imagine why she would talk either way. Regardless
even if she's like, this was absolutely clean and it
went the way it should, why would she talk at
this point? It's like a very ugly dark situation.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, it's very understandable why they did not want to
participate in why they want to put the whole thing
behind them.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, that's it. We're not trying to have like, aha,
gotcha moments. It is important for our production that we
ask everybody and we try to cover it from every
single angle.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well, there's two things that we have documentation of their stories.
We have police reports, we have other things that they filed,
a paperwork that they have filed. We have the nine
one one calls. We have Pat's interview at the police station.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
We have Pat's walkthrough, Pat's re enactment, which was like
that was absolutely the most vibrant.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, so we are able to get a lot of
their story directly from them by way of these documentations.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And the night before Christian's death, what does Pat say happened?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
So Friday night, we know from Dolly and Tony's story
that Christian went over to the Chisenhall's house to pick
their daughter, Jaden up. It was going to be his
weekend with Jaden.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
He had his visitation that they had agreed upon that weekend.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Right, But when he comes back to Tony and Dolly's house,
Jaden's not with him. So we don't know the exact
details of what happened when Christian went to pick his
daughter up, but we do know from official documentation that
something went wrong and Katie and Christian ended up having
an argument outside of her home.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And she wouldn't let him inside the house. So he
started banging on the windows and demanded to be let
into the house and she wouldn't let him in, And
she says that he then ripped a window air conditioning
unit out of the window in an attempt to gain
access to the house. He doesn't gain access to the house.
He just pulls the air conditioning out and then leaves.
But that's what the complaint is about.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
We have to do this back and forth behind the
scenes of like what is true, what is true from
Katie and Pat's statement, what is true from the context
that the Griggs give us, So just purely looking at
Pat and Katie's side here, it's that he came over,
he picked a fight, and because of that, he was
(08:27):
denied visitation by his child's mother and so she feels
very justified in saying, no, you're a erratic right now,
I'm not going to put my child in a car
with you. He feels justified in that he should have
a say in who his daughter gets into a car with.
She was still very young at the time. So we
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have both parties feeling like they are in the right.
Pat and Katie's side is that after Christian leaves, they
get into the car, and what do they do.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Go to the police station and report Christian's activities there,
and the police issue arrest warrants for Christian for trespassing,
for breaking and entering, and for damaging the air conditioning unit. Now,
these arrest warrants weren't served. Nobody came to arrest Christian,
(09:20):
and I believe all of these were misdemeanors and they
would have just held him for forty eight hours.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So Christian has no idea that these arrest warrants exist,
that Pat and Katie have started this ball rolling, And
so according to Pat and Katy, what happens the next morning.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So the next morning, according to the documents, we have
Pat and Katie say that they go file a restrainer
order against Christian basically trying to get something that would
say that Christian can't come around Katie anymore. So, from
what we could tell, they go and file it in
one county, and then they were told that they had
to go file a paperwork in a different county. So
this paperwork never actually got filed, but they say that
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they with the intention of filing or restraining order.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
For me, this is kind of the biggest story point
of this case. This is the reason why Christian is dead.
Christian and Katie have an all out domestic argument and altercation.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
He's yelling, cursing, and acting violent, is what the document says.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
The cursing is the part of the paperwork that is
interesting to me because I feel as though if Christian
had done things that were truly explosive or truly violent
or said direct threats, the Chisenhols were looking for any
excuse to put down on paper why he can't take
Jayden and why he can't come around. And the worst
(10:44):
of it is that he cussed in front of his
daughter and that he took this air conditioning unit out. Now,
the air conditioning unit we know from photos was not destroyed.
It's placed on the car port right next to where
that window was. That a part of the crime scene
evidence that we have. There's no damage to the window
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that the air conditioning unit came out of. It doesn't
seem like there's an attempt to get in that way.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
So she would have said if he got in and
so he took the window unit out, he was yelling,
he was cussing. That's a scary situation, but it's also
incredibly important to say, this is one person's perception of
a dispute over custody that was clearly, we know from
the other side, an incredibly upsetting ongoing issue.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, the air conditioning unit is outside in the driveway,
right on the ground, but we don't know that he
took it out either. I mean, all we have to
go by is her statements and the fact that it's
sitting on the ground outside, so we could assume, but
you know, we don't know. We weren't there, so we
have to just take her word. At this point.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
We'll definitely get into more of that because we're going
to dissect this entire crime scene, all the evidence that's there.
But for the purpose of this episode, Pat and Katie
say they went that morning to get the restraining order.
The ball is in motion, and when they come back home,
Jaden's not there, you know, Jaden's off at a different
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location with Katie's mother. And so when Pat and Katie
come back to the family compound there, Christian shows up
fully expecting to pick up his daughter. So Christian was
(12:36):
outside of Pat Chisenhall's house for like six minutes, and
most of that time is captured on nine to one
one calls. It's like we have a tape recorder at
the scene. And so for you all at home, because
the calls overlap and because there are mere seconds between
the phone calls, we are going to air them for
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you right now in their entirety. So if that sounds
a little bit confusing, just know that it is also
confusing for us. But it is important to understand when
Katie and Pat were on the phone at the same time.
Some quick caveats. With these calls, we are purposely cutting
out personal information. The quality of these can be tricky
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at times because they are phone calls, and lastly, they're
difficult to listen to, So please, if you choose to
listen to them, take good care of yourselves. Ni Katie
picks up the phone at ten fifty one am on
October twelfth, twenty thirteen, she dials nine to one to one.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Triff Pon, Hi, I need someone at my house. My
husband is in my yard at and crazy threatening may
sure my dad?
Speaker 8 (13:48):
And what's your nine Kiti Grigg?
Speaker 6 (13:53):
And you said this is.
Speaker 9 (13:54):
Your dad, my husband husband's home. You're and wants your
husband the same.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
Christian Griggs And I'm at I was right beside my parents' house, okay.
Speaker 9 (14:07):
And does he have any weapons on him?
Speaker 7 (14:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (14:13):
Has he threatened you in any way?
Speaker 7 (14:15):
Yeah? What he threatening my dad?
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Has he assaulted you?
Speaker 7 (14:20):
Not today?
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Is he drinking or doing drunk?
Speaker 7 (14:26):
He has? I don't know, he has warrant? So I
went last night he.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
Shut his the ascent to what kind of wants on you?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
He was beating on.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
My door last night to domestic truth pastoral I think
was what they called it. And damaged to the property
that he did.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
What's his day to birth?
Speaker 9 (14:48):
My hych?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Check that?
Speaker 9 (14:49):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (14:51):
And he is still at this other location?
Speaker 9 (14:53):
Correct?
Speaker 7 (14:54):
He is on my front porch. Okay, all right, I'll
get somebody started that.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
One an thank you?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
All right? So Katie's call ends at ten fifty three am.
And something I do find interesting is that the nine
one one operator asks Katie if she's been assaulted and
her response is not today. So what does that inform
the nine one one operator.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
It implies that she's saying that he may have assaulted
her on another occasion, but not today.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And then she goes further into that by saying he
has warrants out for his arrest. We went last night
to POU reports against him.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
So those warrants were for domestic criminal trespassing and breaking
or entering with injury to real property. So that seems
like it would be the damage Christian did to the
air conditioning unit.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
And so as she continues on the phone with nine
one one, they say where is he right now? And
she has to clarify he's on the front porch, but
it's of her parents' house, so really she's saying she's
next door, and she's saying Christian is on the front
porch now. Andrew made a good point when we were
(16:05):
listening to this. She's saying that we don't know if
she's looking out the window, if she's hiding in a closet,
and that's just the last place she knew he was,
but in this phone call, the last thing she says
to nine one one is he's on the front porch.
And then how many seconds later does her father's phone
call come in.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I mean it's overlapping. Her father's first phone call comes
in as she's on the phone. No, yeah, ten fifty yes,
at ten fifty three her call ends. His starts at
ten fifty one thirty seven, so a minute and a
half before the end of her call, her father Pat
calls nine one one Carney.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
County, Now on one. What is the address fear emergency,
Carney County, now one one. What is the address fear
margency or hell Harnett County, Now one one. What is
the address of your emergency? I came for your name,
cut up, chisten hall, okay, and tell me exactly what happened.
(17:10):
My daughter is a strange past and we have a
restraining order against and kick it out last night and
it's here making threats against this morning. Okay.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
But he's there now, yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
You said you took the restraining order out last night.
Speaker 9 (17:39):
Last night, and we were looking at the mass of
the chip.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Was it a domestic violence restraining order or was it
just a restraining orders violence. Okay, any weapons involved?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
No, not this time.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, my partner's gonna dispatch your deputy. Let me ask
you a few specific questions.
Speaker 9 (18:08):
Okay, good, okay, hold on just a second.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Are you at the location now, sir?
Speaker 9 (18:20):
Exactually, my house is is next door.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And your daughter is with you now?
Speaker 9 (18:45):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Okay, sir? Where is he at now?
Speaker 9 (19:05):
He's out in the yard. He's sitting on the front porch.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Okay, I need to get his description. What race is he?
Black nail and what kind of clothing does he have on.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
A sweater with a hood?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Okay? What kind of pants? Great?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Then?
Speaker 8 (19:30):
How old is he?
Speaker 9 (19:32):
I think twenty four, I believe?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Okay. What is his name?
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Christian Griggs g r I DT And.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
How do you spell his first name?
Speaker 9 (19:45):
Christian p h R I S T high A n Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
What is his demeanor?
Speaker 9 (19:50):
Sir? Hostile?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And he said this is your daughter's a strange husband.
Speaker 9 (19:59):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
How tall is he?
Speaker 9 (20:07):
How about five five eleven?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
And what does his waiter build?
Speaker 9 (20:13):
The medium? Maybe you're kid, I'm a kid.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
You could let him that's fun to know.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
That's fine, okay, sir, look at me.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Sir, can you can you take yourself to a safe
location and avoid any further contact with him.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
You can can do what he self?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Can you take it? Can you go inside and lock
your doors and the windows and avoid any further confrontation
with him until an officer can arrive. Sure, okay, get
yourself to a safe location and just avoid any contact
with him.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
Okay, I think say, did he arrive in a vehicle?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah? What kind of vehicle was it?
Speaker 9 (20:55):
Sir?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Wa?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Color? S is it a two door or four door?
Speaker 9 (21:09):
Door?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
And where's the vehicle park at? Now?
Speaker 9 (21:19):
Had the other house? My daughter's sound, we're that side
by side?
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Okay, are you or anyone else in immediate danger? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (21:36):
I think so possibly?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Okay are you able to get yourself to safety?
Speaker 9 (21:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Can you if you think you can leave safely? Get
away now? And where are you gonna go?
Speaker 9 (21:48):
Well? I think I can get in the house. I
think I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Here, Okay, if you can get in the house, sir,
take the phone with you. What was the threats that
he made.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Me?
Speaker 9 (22:00):
A just looking through the windows shouting if my daughter
demanding it to see your child? And okay, it's crazy,
all right, sir?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Just keep very quiet and try to stay out of
sight and avoid any confrontation with them. Lock your doors
and windows if he if anything changes, or if he
tries to get in and you're inside, call us back
immediately and let us know.
Speaker 9 (22:28):
Agree to get the training order left side, Yes, sir, I'm.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Going to try to look that up so our deputy
can know. If you can't make a list of all dates,
times and details of any previous instances. Do not disturb
anything at the scene, including any weapons, tools or objects
found nearby, and officer what has been dispatched, if you
could just give a call back immediately.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Now, patsphone call is very calm, almost like we were
shocked that there wasn't a faster response time between questions
and answers with nine to one one.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
There's much less urgency in his phone call than in
Katie's phone call.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And so Pat says, we filed a restraining order last night.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Which we just to point out. Katie says, warrant, which
is what it was. He's saying restraining order, which it
was not.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Well, he's saying they got restraining order last night, but really.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
He is mixing up that it was that morning. They
had actually gone to try to and failed to file
a restraining order.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
But again the same way, they said to Katie, has
he assaulted you? And she said not. Today they asked
Pat does he have any weapons? And Pat says not
at this time.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
No, he says, are there any weapons involved?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Christian, here's the word hostile. You know Pat's on the
phone and everything he's saying is very yes or no.
We've all been in that situation where we don't want
the person around us to know who we're on the
phone with, and that is what it sounds like. Yes, no,
he's here. But as Christian approaches the word hostile, nine
to one one asks what is his demeanor? He says hostile,
(24:05):
and that's when Christian jumps in. That's when he knows
he's being spoken about, and he jumps in and says,
let me talk to them, right, and then follows it
up with.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
What he says, you can't tell a father what to
do with his child. When he's near Pat. You hear him,
and he's not screaming being violent, even though that's been
what's being said, right, He's clearly not next to Pat.
And then when he is next to him, he's saying,
let me talk to the police. And then he's talking
about his child, which is the base of this whole dispute.
(24:38):
Him trying to get his child since he was supposed
to have custody that day.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
And what do we know from Christian's phone records that
he was doing in this time period.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
He calls Tony Yep, Christian makes several phone calls. Also,
Christian calls his father and tells him what's going on.
Christian also has been making calls really all morning to
various lawyers. I think actually at least one of them
is right in the middle of all of this.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Nine one one asks Pat Chisenhall. Can you get to
a safe location? He says yeah. They say are you
in immediate danger? Can you get to safety? And he says,
I think I'm okay here, Yeah, I can do that.
And they do that exchange twice. It's like they ask
him if he can get to safety and he says yes.
(25:27):
But then he's not saying I'm walking across the yard.
He's not narrating what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Then he has an interaction and then again they say
can you get to safety? Yes, And when he says
are you an immediate danger? He goes maybe I think so.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
So what's nine one one saying to him? They're telling
him that people are on the way. There are certain
lines that nine one one has to say, like avoid him,
avoid any contact, avoid any interaction with him, just close
the blinds, lock the doors, lock the windows. They are
telling him to de escalate by avoid, avoid, avoid, And
(26:11):
so they've asked him twice, now, can you get to safety?
He says yes, and as they're still kind of giving
him instructions, the call drops out. We know from Pat
chisen halls later nine to one one call. He says
to the next operator, I dropped my phone before. But
(26:31):
that call cuts out, and at that point we hear
no yelling. We hear no breaking of a window. Seemingly
Christian isn't close to him, and.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
No one said he's broken a window yet.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And no one has said anything about break entering yet.
Pat's making his way up the porch stairs is our
assumption to get into the house.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
That's what he says.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
He's doing well, because that's what he tells us. Yeah,
of course, you know. But then two seconds later we've
got a call from Kate and this one comes in
at ten fifty eight am, Johnson County.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
He's trying over here.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
He is broken to my house.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Wait, man, where are you at?
Speaker 9 (27:22):
Come over to Shampot please okay, I don't know. Okay,
you will currently being sir.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
I just called a speck to someone.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
My husband.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
He is broke into my house. I just called y'all
said you were sending some woman who's broke into my house.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
Please, okay, I've got two deputies coming.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Man, Please thank you for Lea Hurst.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
She's panting. I mean, it takes a minute for any
actual words to happen, and she sounds incredibly freaked out.
It's hard. There's a lot of background noise. There's definitely
some from the call center. You can definitely hear certain
things from the call center and background chatter from the
nine one one end of it. She sounds really scared.
(28:17):
She's saying that he's breaking into the house.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
At the same exact time her father's supposed to be
entering the house. Let's hear the last phone call. It
is Pat Chisenhall calling in at ten fifty nine am.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Carn it counting now one one address fear murvent saints. Okay,
your name to the world. I exactly what happens, sir,
I'll just call a moment for.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Builder person with certainly shut up trying to do in
the doors in the coming.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Up.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
You shocked nobody who was breaking into your house.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
I'll just call it a moment for your dropped the bone.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
Okay, all right, say on the phone with me. Okay,
where's he at right now? Is he breathing? Okay? Hold
(29:29):
on one second, sir, don't hang up. Hold on, I've
got help all the way. Okay, sir, Are you still
with me? Okay, I'm gonna ask you some questions. Okay,
all right? Is there anyone there that can go check
on him and see if he's breathing? Okay? Can you
(29:53):
tell where he was shot at?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
All right? How old is he?
Speaker 6 (30:13):
Fool? Tell you long lot from home?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Your fa?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (30:35):
All right?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Quarter?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
All right?
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Is he awake?
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Sir? I don't know he's molly knows?
Speaker 8 (30:46):
All right? Is he still breathing?
Speaker 7 (30:49):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Brick christ bred?
Speaker 8 (31:01):
All right, sir? Is there any serious bleeding with him?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Okay? I don't think so.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
You can't tell, all right, sir?
Speaker 9 (31:14):
All right, sir?
Speaker 8 (31:22):
How many times did you shoot him?
Speaker 9 (31:24):
I'm not sure?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
You're not sure?
Speaker 6 (31:28):
I don't know. Sil Okay, that's what he's not.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
That's what he's all right, sir.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
We have him on the way to you. Okay, I'm
staying on the phone with you. I'm going to Okay.
If someone getting medicate for me, I'm tame. Well, they
had something they were calling in, Okay, sir, all right,
So tell me a little bit more about what happened.
(32:03):
He was communicating threats, see you, Yes, we were.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
We got a restraining order last night against him, domestic
violence against my daughter, just last night. And he came
this morning possible threatening the sertingly beat me up and
then I tried to get him all outside and my
daughter ran in the house and locked the door. He
(32:27):
was chasing me and I locked the door just in
a second and he was there on going. Then he
busted in the window, put it beside the door and
was coming through the window, kneeling the threads, and I thought,
hen he was coming through the window.
Speaker 8 (32:42):
Okay, right, all right, So you've got a restraining order
out on him. What's his name, Christian?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (32:54):
And who did you speak with last night when this happened.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
His father just arrived and he's possible.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
Father's there now they're on the way, sir. Okay, I'm
actually showing someone to be there. Do you see an
officer out there? All right, I'm gonna stay on the
phone with you until he gets right there with you. Okay,
all right, Now is the officer there with you? Okay?
(33:30):
All right, sir, I'm going to let you go. Okay,
this is They're there with you, all right, thank you.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
I shot him in the stomach. I don't know how
many a couple. I think he's breathing. I'm looking through
the window.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
He heard a moaning.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
We hear him say, O, Katie, call your mom, and
then we hear him say, oh, Christian's dad is here,
and then he says the police arrived.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
So we know that that's when Christian was shot in that.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Minute and a half minute and second, unless it happened
before any of this and Katie was on her phone.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Well, we hear Christian's voice on Pat's first nine one
one call, so we know that he's alive during Pat's
first nine one one call, and we also know that
he's been shot before Pat calls ninel one the second time.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Right now. On the other hand, so there's a minute,
what do we say, a minute in six seconds. The
math of from ten fifty eight thirty six to ten
fifty nine to forty two, that's a minute in six
seconds between when Pat's on the phone, the phone is dropping,
the calls dropping, and Pat calling and saying he's shot,
and we know between that time. So that's a minute
(34:35):
for all of those things to happen. But meanwhile, Katie's
on the phone with nine to one one.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
That's right. So whether it starts exactly two seconds after
Pat's call ends or some other time, they definitely.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Were overlapping, and we don't hear any of that back
and forth struggle trying to close the door of that class.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
May not the minute in half, it may not be
six seconds, may not be verbal at that point.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Nobody would be saying it. He's telling us, yes, I'm
going to try to get in the door. Call drops,
She's on the phone saying he's trying to get in,
Please send help, and then on her call please send help.
It sounds like we hear Pat. It sounds like Pat's yelling.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
She's saying he's in, he's broken in, broken.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Into the house, and sounds like we hear Pat yelling.
And then you stop hearing it. She gets off, she's calmer,
and then Pat calls back before the end of her
call and says, I've shot.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
So we can speculate about this over and over and
over again, and it really is something that confounds me
every time I listen to it, because the expectation is
we would hear the gunshots, we would hear the glass break,
we would hear the struggle. It jinks. I mean, that's
how often we've talked about it, is that we've fallen
into the same speech pattern. We're like, these are the
(35:47):
things that we expect. I mean, it's a minute in
six seconds for this thing to happen. But it's not
just that it's a minute in six seconds. It's also
that Katie's on the phone during that. It's a recorded minute,
and right exactly.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
One minute and four of seconds of that time is
being recorded on Katie's call. You do hear Pat yelling
in the background, so maybe that's happening.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, I'm going to make two points. Just that the
people listening are clear, and we're listening to these nine
on one calls, there is a lot of noise in
the background. That's not just the two people. The naim
on one call or and either Pat or Katie talking.
You hear typing on the computers from the nim on
one call, you know, the number one operator basically reporting
the incident, typing in the incident. You hear other voices,
(36:29):
supposedly people in the background at the niem on one
call center, sort of fielding other calls or dispatching deputies
to the scene. We hear a voice that sounds like Pat,
but we can't tell. We don't. I don't understand what
he's saying. We can't really quite tell. We hear that
strange moan that we don't know where that comes from.
Is it Christian? Is it Pat?
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Is it just an inanimate object?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Is this sirens sound at the call center? I mean,
we just don't There's a lot of sounds that we're
hearing in here that we can't explain. We don't necessarily
know exactly where Katie is during her call on her
second night one will call. She doesn't say I'm in
the closet, or she doesn't say I'm in the living room.
She doesn't say where she is. But we do have
notes or I think deposition from the investigator who says
(37:13):
that when he took the initial statement at the scene,
Katie said she was in the closet.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
We also have Pat saying, I don't know where she was,
but I found her cling in the closet later that said,
during his call, we have him hollering to.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Katie, Katie, call your mother, tell her not to come home.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Right, So we know that there's some interaction between them
during this call.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
It is such a short span of time between that
first call where Christian is alive and the fourth call
where Christian is struggling for his life. And so I
know that those were incredibly difficult to listen to, but
they are so important in helping us not only understand
(37:53):
the timeline of what happened that day, but also understanding
a very different perspective. You know, we can hear the
fear in Katie's voice, just like we can hear Pat's
voice admitting that he shot Christian. Now, we're going to
continue to explore the events of what happened right after
(38:13):
Christian was shot in our next episode, and that includes
Pat Chisenhall's own retelling of the day in question. That's
it for this week's episode of True Crime Story. It
couldn't happen here, but be sure to join us next
week as we dive deeper into the Christian Griggs case.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
There was, like I said, stay.
Speaker 9 (38:35):
Shop now, just it seems so real.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Sometimes starting out of Sunday, something happened and I just
I've had panic attack after panic attack, which.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
I've never had before.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Join us next week as we continue to roll up
our sleeves and dig in. Thank you so much for
joining us. If you haven't watched Sundance TV's True Crime
Story It Couldn't Happen Here, you can catch all of
our episodes streaming on AMC Plus. For more information about
this and other cases we've covered, follow at ic HH
(39:12):
stories on Instagram. True Crime Story It Couldn't Happen Here
was produced by Mischief Farm in association with Bungalow Media
and Entertainment, Authentic Management Productions, and Figdonia in partnership with
Sundance TV. Executive producers are me Hillary Burton, Morgan, Liz Accessory,
(39:32):
Robert Friedman, Mike Powers, and Meg Mortimer. Producers are Maggie
Robinson Katz and Libby Siegel. Our audio engineer is Brendan Dalton,
with original music by Philip Radiotis. We want to say
a special thank you to everyone who participated, but especially
the families impacted by our cases.
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