Campus Shootings Under Investigation, Epstein Estate Photos, and the Brian Walshe Murder Sentence

Investigators race to unravel a shocking potential link between the deadly Brown University classroom shooting and the targeted killing of an MIT professor, as a widening manhunt enters a critical phase. Newly released materials from Jeffrey Epstein’s estate surface ahead of a major disclosure deadline, raising disturbing new questions as legal maneuvers threaten to complicate what comes next. Tune in for all the details.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to Truecrime Tonight on iHeartRadio, where we talk truecrime
all the time. We've made it to Thursday, December eighteenth.
Stephanie is out tonight, but don't worry because we do
have a stacked night of headlines for you. And that
is something of an understatement. I am Courtney Armstrong, lucky
enough to be here with my buddy Boddy Movin and

(00:40):
producer Taha and Sam and Adam controlling things in the
control room. So first breaking news, there has been an
update in the Brown University shooter investigation.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
We'll get to that immediately.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
We also have disturbing new photos we're going to discuss
that have been released by sex offender Jeff Epstein's estate.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Some of them are head scratchers, I would say.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
We're going to get into what the judge had to
say at Brian Walsh's murder sentencing, which happened earlier today
as well. The next move in the luigiman Gi owned
case now rests with the judge.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
So body, big breath.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
It seems like every time we go to air, there's
breaking news, and here we are, here, we are like
it's been a banner day in true crime news.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Right, it's been a frenetic, constantly updating day.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
That's what it feels like.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
It's been a crazy day. And we're going to get
right to it. Right, let's jump right in.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, So, most recent authorities say the suspected shooter in
the deadly Brown University campus attack has indeed been found dead,
and that is from an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound.
The suspects name is being reported as forty eight year
old Claudio Manuel neviz Valente. The investigators continue probing as

(02:06):
a possible link to the murder of an MIT professor
that happened just days after the Brown shooting.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
The Brown shooting happened on December fourteenth, and it unfolded
during an economics review session.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Two students were.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Killed, nine others were injured, and it triggered a multi
state manhunt, which also, if you remember, there was an
initial suspect brought into custody whose name unfortunately had been
put out there.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
That person was released and now again.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
According to multiple media outlets, the suspected shooter connected to
the mass shooting at Brown is dead.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Right, And you know, it's worth mentioning I think that,
you know, this connection to the MIT professor that was
that was murdered a couple of days later. You know,
it's only fifty miles away. Reportedly, the car they're they're
looking at links at the suspect now dead, drove to

(03:10):
MIT or the surrounding area and then to the storage
facility where they located his body. But what's interesting is
the suspect, Claudio is a Portuguese national, right and a
student at Brown. But guess what so is the MIT professor. Oh,

(03:31):
he's also a Portuguese. Yeah, I mean this is literally
coming out as we go on air, but yeah, this
is he's also from Portugal.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
And that's of course, it's information and it is interesting,
but it's nothing more and there.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Are nothing more than that they are investigating it. You know,
the authorities are investigating the connection if there is even
if there is one, right, we're just mentioning that they
are investigating the connection absolutely. And you know what else
is interesting, Courtney. The attack at Brown happened in the

(04:07):
Physics and Engineering building or you know, we're in this.
This professor at MIT was a physics professor, like a
like I think he was. He was involved in fission, nuclear.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Fission, he was you know what, I'm just looking so body,
of course you're referring to MIT professor nun Lareo. Yeah,
I hope I pronounced that correctly. He's a forty two
year old professor. He was shot and killed at his
home in Brookline, Massachusetts. And that professor was a leading

(04:43):
plasma physicistasma right, yeah, as well, Yeah, as well as
the director of MIT's plasma science out there it is
and fusion Center center.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
And right, forty seven in this guy's forty eight. The
suspect Claudio forty eight, and he was also a student
at Brown. And the shooting at Brown University happened at
the Baris and Hollybuilding, which houses Brown's engineering and physics departments.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Do we yet know what the ACU shooter was studying. No,
I mean, we just.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Found out that he was actually a student at one point.
And I don't know if he was an active student
or alumni or what. But his you know, there was
a this is also very interesting. There was a post
made to Reddit, and Reddit is a basically a forum

(05:44):
where anybody can post and whatnot. And there was of
course a thread about the shooting and this Reddit user
said that he saw a Niss gray Nissan with Florida plates,
you know, drive away from the scene or you know,
with the suspect didn't when the when the Brown shooting happened.
And this this guy, the claudio guy, his last known

(06:08):
address or whatever is out of Miami. Wow, so it's
very interesting. It is all very interesting. Yeah, this is again,
this is all happening.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Yeah, right, and if there's more info that comes during
the show, I'll pass that along.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
And okay, great, yeah, because I think the I think
the authorities are doing a press conference right now.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, right, so we're able to listen, right, but we
will again as information. Of course, here's a little bit
more of the details that are known. So the investigators
apparently recovered physical and DNA evidence from the Brown crime scene,
and that's what helped guide.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Their search and identification efforts.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I'll be very curious what both of you know, what
the physical evidence and what DNA was left. Also, enhanced
surveillance footage captured this person of interest walking through Brown's
East Side neighborhood hours before the attack, and that led
investigators to believe he was scoping the area in advance.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
M that's interesting. He's scoping out the area in advance.
If he was a student, why would he need to
sculpt the area out right?

Speaker 5 (07:23):
It seems like he would be familiar with it.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
So seems like it well, I mean I had heard
or read it seemed like they were kind of conflicting
reports on the types of security. So some Again this
is not crystally clear to me because people were debating it.
But apparently at the Barris and Holly building that you
mentioned body the Engineering and Physics department, there wasn't someone

(07:51):
at the door, whereas a security person who sort of
waved people in, whereas in other buildings on the campus
they're off And was so total speculation if you were
seeing is indeed someone security guard posted there or not?

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Maybe like scoping it out.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Right, like if someone's there, or maybe if the.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Guy's on a break or you know, something to that.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
And you mentioned earlier, we're not sure if he was
a student, alumni or a current student, right, so maybe
he's checking to see how things changed.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Change, right, So there there's possibly that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
It's all very interesting and very.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Goodness.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
So so far, the key focus of the investigation is
based on the rental vehicle that you mentioned body and
indeed if that is linked to both Brown and this
terrible at home murder of m I of the MIT professor. Authorities,

(09:01):
by the way, continue to ask the public to reviuce
any security camera footage, submit any tips because they want
to know. Authorities are questioning if anyone else may have
been involved.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Right, this is true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time, or right in the middle
of updating even ourselves on the suspect that apparently killed
himself of the you know, he was suspected in this
Brown University shooting, and the authorities are investigating a possible
connection to the murder of the MIT professor. I knew no,

(09:40):
Laurenio is I hope I'm saying that correctly, And so
we're just giving an update on that right now or
right in the middle of it. If you have any questions,
give us a call eighty eight thirty one Crime, or
listen if you're watching the press conference and you want
to give us the new details let us know, give us,
give us a buzz. The press conference is happening right now,
so we're unfortun missing it. So we're trying to get

(10:01):
all the great information out as soon as possible.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Yes, and I know this happened a little while back,
but Courtney, maybe there, you know, it's been a little
bit and a lot has happened. Maybe we could fill
everyone in on some of the background of shooting and
what happened.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Absolutely, so it was four days ago.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
It seems like four lifetimes ago somehow, but it was
December fourteenth when the Brown University shooting did happen, and
it was in a very large classroom of the Engineering
building during a review session of the principles of economics.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
So it was college kids studying.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
By the way, Brown University has canceled remaining classes and
exams across the campus. At the shooting on December fourteenth,
two handguns and two loaded thirty round magazines were recovered
from the scene. The shooter, now identified as forty eight

(10:58):
year old Claudio man Well Nevis Valente, fired approximately forty
rounds and that was from a nine millimeter handgun during
this classroom attack. The victims there were two who lost
their lives were nineteen year old Ella Cook, who was
vice president of the Brown College Republicans, and excuse my pronunciation,

(11:25):
Mohammed Aziz Umarakov, only eighteen years old, who was an
eighteen year old international student from Uzbekistan. Six of the
nine who are injured remain hospitalized. Bannie Little, do you
have an update? Yeah, I do so.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
The suspect was a former student at Brown University. Valenti
took his own life via a self inflicted gunshot. According
to Brown University President Christina Packson. Valenti was enrolled at
Brown from two thousand to one, went to graduate school
for a Masters of Science and physics, and took a

(12:07):
leave of absence before withdrawing in two thousand and three.
So it's been quite so, Tah, you were, You were right,
he was. It had been a while and you might
have needed to know, like what changed around here? You know,
it's been what twenty four years since he went to
college there.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
I still can't get past that. They both are pretty
close in age, both from the same region, both in
the same.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
They're both from the same country. I don't know if
there's from.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
Such correct region, same country. They studied similar and taha,
you're referring.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
When you're saying both, you're referring to the suspect, Claudiu
Manuel Nevis Valente and the MIT professor who was killed, right.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Right, thank you precisely.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
So, yeah, so he was a former student studying physics. Interesting,
and so the attack happened at the physics building, right,
physics an engineering building, and then another physics you know,
adjacent person was murdered two days later, fifty miles away.
And he's also from Portugal, the physics professor. Interesting.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
I don't know. Yeah, we'll find out more. But that's
I'll be body.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
What's the word you use.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
It's not victimology, it's the background of the suspect. I'm
going to be so curious as to what he studied.
Was physics still a huge part of his life or
had that dream dropped and right you know, stayed with him?

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Right like?

Speaker 4 (13:38):
Had he was in the field. Was the professor competitor,
was the confessor former classmate of his university?

Speaker 5 (13:46):
Was?

Speaker 4 (13:47):
You know, I don't know where did they know each
other in Portugal? You know?

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Even right?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Right, I don't know for sure, or there's no connection
at all, exactly right?

Speaker 5 (13:57):
It could just all be coincidental, and there's that, but.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
I think it's awful, like horrible, just turn.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Right around around the holiday season with the students having
to get home early. I can't even imagine the family
that has lost that nineteen year old. Both of them
are right, both students, But I don't know. It's just tragic,
but I'm glad it's in some ways me too. To
an end, they have the suspect.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
They do, They say that Valenti was a permanent resident
of the United States. He arrived in the United States
in August of two thousand as an F one student
and Brown and subsequently attained US lawful permanent residency in
twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Okay, yeah, I'm sure information will continue to flood out
about this. Oh and by the way, we're talking about
the building and how the suspect was potentially scoping, and
indeed Brown University they do have a really expansive network
over twelve hundred security camp cameras, but right where the

(15:02):
shooting occurred, it is an older edge of campus building
and there was mineral, minimal coverage.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I don't understand that that older building there weren't any cameras.
It doesn't what is the age of the building have
to do with extra cameras.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Can't you just put the cameras on an old building?

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, yes you can, of course you can. It's very
I mean, they could be solar powered, right, you know
what I mean. I have I have several of those.
They don't need to plug into anything, you know, or
it's just very it's just I don't know, it's just
very weird. But stick with us. We have more coming up.
Shocking new material surface from Jeffrey Epstein's estate just as
a critical deadline approaches, and later, after days of closed

(15:43):
door arguments, the future of Luigi Manjionne's case hanes on
one ruling. Keeping your True Grunt Tonight. Welcome back to
True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, where we're talking true crime

(16:03):
all the time. Oh man, the updates just coming in.
We're gonna, of course, keep everybody updated throughout tonight's show
on the latest updates in the Brown Shooter. For those
just joining us, he has apparently taken his own life
with a self inflicted gunshot wound. But we're going to
move on from that right now until we have more
updates and let's go to a talk about.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
Hi, guys, I'm listening to the episode from last night
and Stephanie is talking about Yillen Maxwell asking to have
her sentence vacated. And while I am trying to hold
out hope, and I know I've been a negative Nelly
about it all along.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
This is what I was afraid of.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
I guess we wait and see what happens.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah, I think this is something that we've all been up.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
But I will say, don't you.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
I have been paying attention today to the Epstein stuff obviously,
and people are like Thomas Massey is moving forward as
if it's going to be released tomorrow. Yeah, so you know,
let's keep our fingers crossed that this is not going
to hold up you know, Lane Maxwell asking for this,
you know, look into this habeas corpus relief basically, that

(17:13):
it's not going to hold up the release of the
Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
What do you think, Courtney, I think. I mean, I
would love nothing more than to be proven wrong. Me too,
And by the way, thank you for the talkback. Yes,
I wouldn't say negative Nancy. I would say, you know,
realistic Reagan or because you know, to be skeptical given
the timeline of everything we've had is only realistic. I

(17:37):
think past behavior determines future behavior in almost everything in life.
And you know, yeah, anyway, but we'll see if it Yeah, okay,
but today should.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
We get let's get do it?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
So the House Oversight Committee released some head scratching, shocking
new Epstein estate photos and documents, and the Oversight Committee
is reviewing approximately ninety five thousand photographs as well as
documents that have been obtained from sex trafficker Jeffrey Ebstein's estate.

(18:12):
They've released only selected portions ahead of tomorrow's deadline for
the complete release of what we have referring to as
the Ebstein files, and by we, I.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Mean all of the world, it feels like.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
And the reason these are coming out are because of
the recently past Ebstein Ebstein Transparency Act. So I have
to say that act has held a lot more water.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Than I anticipated that stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Indeed, I didn't think it would mean anything, and that's
the truth of it. But at least stuff has been
coming out. And then while this is going on, Jeffrey
Ebstein's partner and fellow sexual abuser, Gilaine Maxwell, she is
filing legal petitions and we're sort of waiting to see

(19:06):
if that may complicate the overall release of these Epstein files.
And that's because one of the stipulations in the Epstein
Transparency Act is that things may be held back if
there is an ongoing investigation.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Right and we know that they opened right before this act,
you know, or right after the act passed. I actually
can't remember. They opened up an investigation into Bill Clinton.
So that made us like, ah, here we go.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
It was after because that's when it reacted.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
I think it was about five minutes after, is my collection.
I mean it was so it was like, welcome to this.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
But now there's no open investigation.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Right right, and now the Gilaine Maxwell you know, a
habeas Corpus relief, this could be another you know, jail
break basically in keeping this all behind.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
The mars, keeping all of the information right, all.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
The information, I don't I don't know that it will.
I think if she had filed it, I think two
days prior to it being released is a little too late. Possibly,
but media outlets are speculating that it could hold things up.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
And just for my clarity, the recent dump of photographs
that we're talking about, the ones that we're going to
dig into a little bit right, that's completely separate from
the Epstein files. This is all just photos that have
been released by the I.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Think they're part of it. I mean they are part
of the Epstein files, let's say, right, Okay, okay, they
are part of it. Yeah, but I mean there's ninety
five thousand and we've only received like maybe two hundred,
got right, Okay, And they're like like the photos that
release today. Some of them are wacky, but a lot
of them are like they're building planters and the construction.

(20:58):
They're very you know, innocuous. There there's nothing, they're nothing burgers. Okay, Well,
were some interesting ones.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
So yeah, I want to dig into the interesting ones.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Let's dig into the interesting ones. A but b body,
we don't know that because what may seem really innocuous
may be part of something that couldn't receive of because
I'm so curious the selection process from nearly one hundred
thousand to this comparative small handful.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Planswer is being built could be something. It could reference
something in the files later. Absolutely, And that's why I
started saving them off, because I want to catalog and
index them by like keyword, so that I can search,
you know, when the files do get released, we can
have like a basically a database of photos.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
But I love you. It still lights meized.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yes, but okay, So if you haven't spent you're day
scouring the news, we did it for you. So we're
going to touch on a couple of the photographs that
have been released, keeping in mind that they were released
without information about when, where, or by whom they were taken.

(22:16):
So just understand that none of the people. I don't
think we're shocking, but included in some of the images
were Jeffrey Ebstein and he's pictured with Microsoft founder Bill Gates.
We've spoken with that, Google founder Sergey Brinn, filmmaker Woody Allen,

(22:39):
philosopher Noam Chomsky. I don't know if we spoke about him,
as well as media executive and political strategist Steve Bannon.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yeah, okay, yeah, and there was another one too. There's
a New York Times journalist that was photograph. Did you
see did you see that one? The New York Times journalist.
He also was basically saying that Epstein files are like
a like A couple months ago, he was saying the
Epstein files were like a joke, and why you don't
even bother and people. Now he's in the pictures and

(23:07):
we know why, and his name escapes me at the moment,
but he's in. He's in these photos. It's very very
interesting because you know everyone now is up in arms
about it.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
So, yeah, he does protest too much.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
So there's a look at I can get it. I
can go grab his name.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
I can do it. No, keep going. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
So one of the images is a screenshot and that
contains a text conversation between unidentified individuals.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
David books, that's it.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Oh, that is the report journalist. Yeah, the journalist, Thank
you well, David. So okay, So this image is a
text conversation and it's about arranging a girl for one
thousand dollars. And the text exchange describes the individual as
eighteen years old. A departure city is noted and references Russia.

(24:02):
There are multiple details redacted, but we know the redacted individual.
The redacted information includes this girl's height, weight, and measurements.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Right, so we'll leave that there.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Also with that one, didn't it also say I'm sure
body read some of these, but it said I think
Jay will like that. Yes, it's just an initial.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
So that's right, which is interesting.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
So it doesn't necessarily mean it was a text exchange
with Epstein because they're referencing j right, Like, why would
you talk to somebody like if I'm messaging taha, I'm
not going to be like.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
Oh, taha, I would like this. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (24:41):
I would be saying it to your assistant or delay,
maybe even.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
M it's interesting that something.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Okay, Yeah, there's also some pictures of redacted passports and visas.
They're from all over the world and there's no indication
of ownersh ship or purpose. So this may be may
fall into that pile we were talking about body of
things that we just don't know what they may mean. Okay,
these were I think weird is a fair word.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Disturbing.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Disturbing is another very fair word.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
So some of the photographs, some of the pictures direct
quotes from Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita are written on women's bodies.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
And can we remind our viewers or listeners what Lolita
is about before would So? Lolita is a book that
it talks about like this middle aged man's obsession for
his twelve year old stepdaughter, right, So just keep that

(25:51):
in mind when Courtney.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Tells the next part, right, thank you for setting that stage.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, I know that that is absolutely right, and just
on the leada, So it's it's sort of multiple. I
couldn't tell with the pictures of it's one girl or
multiple girls, but there's multiple quotes and body parts.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Because there's such close up shots so it's hard to see.
You just see maybe a shoulder or what might be.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
A hip of find or something right right, and one
that was written that actually it's one of the most
famous opening few words of any piece of literature. Lolita,
light of my life, fire of my loins, my sin,
my soul, lowly ta the tip of the tongue, tongue

(26:39):
taking a trip of three steps down the pallette to
tap at three on the teeth. So that, for example,
was written on someone's body and what looked like sharpie.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Stephanie is going to be so mad that she's not here.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
You know, she she was, She's a literature major. She
was literally be you know, screaming right now.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Yes, she would, right, yeah, I know she would have
a fit.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
But okay, this is true crime tonight on iHeart Radio.
We're talking true crime all the time. We're right in
the middle of giving an Epstein update because there's been
a new dump of photographs that were released today by
the Democratic House Committee, the Oversight Committee, and we're just
kind of going through the details on some of them
because some of them are kind of creepy. If you
want to weigh and give us a call eight to

(27:24):
eight thirty one crime or leave us a talkback on
the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
What are some of the other ones coring?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Okay, there's a picture that shows a prescription bottle of
a medicine that you used to help treat urinary attract infections.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
There's one that's.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Made the rounds quite a bit, and you see Jeffrey
Epstein sitting on what looks like an office chair that
looks like there's a desk with a computer in front
of him. There are three girls. Their faces are blacked out.
I said girls. You can't tell their age, but if
I described them, I'd say they have new bile, young bodies.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
They're they're clothed.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah I don't want both, yeah, absolutely fully clothed. But
there's three. One is standing behind Jeffrey sort of hugging
his neck, another one is sitting close to him, and
then a third is looks like kneeling and doing something
on the computer with her back to Jeffrey Ebstein.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Right, are those soundproof tiles?

Speaker 5 (28:25):
I was asking the same thing earlier. That looks soundproof
to me. It's like a textured almost wallpaper. But it's
for people who haven't seen it. It almost looks like,
I don't know, maybe four by five boxes, but they're
not all sticking out at the same buzz right, So
it looks it looks like it it could be maybe

(28:45):
that's a music studio.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Possibly maybe, because yeah, it looks like egg crate wall.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Which is yeah, yeah, that's a good description. Yeah. And
then a really weird picture.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
I was going to.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
Say, do you want to describe it? First question.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
I mean, there's there's a tiny I mean, like this
wall is pretty large, and there's this tiny, itty bitty
squared photograph. It almost looks like the guy from Mad magazine,
you know, yes, and it's he's just a man with
a it's a cartoon and he's just smiling. It's just

(29:20):
a very strange photograph or drawing.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
That.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
What's interesting about it to me though, is how small
it is in comparison to the wall itself, so out
of place.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
It's tiny little picture.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
It kind of reminds me of a little bit of
the weirdness of the dentist room with the masks, the
weird dentist chair and the masks that are hanging on
the wall.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
The.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
Photo with Steve Bannon with the picture on the table.
It's like it's always just so weird. There's always something
very bizarre about what.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
You're looking at.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
These aren't like normal rooms or something.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
It's like David Fincher is doing art direction for this.
There's just thing off and David Fincher did Mulholland Drive.
I'm sure Adam and Sam you can Lynch, David Lynch,
excuse mech, I knew exactly what.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I know.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
We're all agreeing and know who you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, but yes, there's something that is askew and unsettling.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
Hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Like the word that comes to mind is like uncanny valley.
But that's not it. But it's almost like that, like
it just doesn't it doesn't belong right. It's very it's
very odd, but that doesn't you.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Know, mean, yeah, it doesn't mean. I mean, from the beginning,
I thought this kind of money and this is the
kind of people do like these, yeah, tiny pictures, Like
I think I would hire someone.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
But I'm very judgmental, right now, I mean, listen, this
is this should be judged.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
I mean one of the pictures.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
And remember, body said, Lalita is very famous and it's
about a middle aged man who is obsessed with his
twelve year old stepdaughter. And you know one picture is
of the book and you see a woman's foots her
toenails are painted black, and it is another quote from
the book Lolita. She was low, playing low in the morning,

(31:10):
standing four feet ten in one sock.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
What a creedy well, yeah, everything about it? What's too
creepy for me?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
It has been a busy, busy night with many updates
coming at us in real time. But something important we
have to get to is an update on the Bondai
Beach mass shooting.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Body, can you fill us in?

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, So, the surviving suspect in the Bondai Beach mass
shooting has been charged with dozens dozens of serious offenses
as funerals start to begin for the fifteen victims of
the attack, So so so the shooting. The shooting occurred
Sunday at a beachside Hanaka celebration in Cindy's Bondi Beach area,

(31:52):
leaving fifteen people dead and dozens more injured. Two suspects,
father and son, were shot by police on scene, the
father dying on the scene and their surviving son, you know,
now facing these formal charges. They've charged the surviving suspect
with murder, terrorism, and grievous bodily harm with intent to murder.

(32:13):
The suspect faces a total of fifty nine charges. A
documents fifty nine charges right. He remains hospitalized under police
guard after coming out of a coma on Tuesday. A
bail hearing was set was held via video link on
Wednesday and no bail was requested. So, this dude is

(32:35):
in a coma. He wakes up, He's like, oh my god,
I'm in this hospital bed. I'm a terrorist. You know,
I've shot all these people, and they they wheel in
the cameras and like, here you go. You're going to
your hearing.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
Can you imagine? Good for him?

Speaker 6 (32:49):
I mean, I'm.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
So exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
So, this bail hearing was held via video link yesterday
and no bail was requested. Authorities said improvised explosive devices
were found in the suspects vehicle. Oh wow, they had
improvised like IEDs. This is what they used, a flu jah,
you know, against the troops and stuff, all those you know,

(33:15):
brave American men and women you know in Iraq. Anyway,
horrible funerals for victims began Wednesday, drawing large crowds mourners,
and as of Wednesday, twenty injured people remain hospitalized, including
two police officers. So justices around the corner for that.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Well, listen, Australia, our thoughts, our prayers, definitely, all of
it is with you to hold such a special place
in all of our hearts. This is Suagrime tonight on iHeartRadio.
I'm Courtney Armstrong, so lucky to be here with body
Movin and we've been talking about the Hanuka Bandai Beach
mass shooting.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
If you want to weigh in, we'd love to hear
from you.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
You can either give us a call eighted eight three
one crime or hit us up on the talkbacks. Also,
just in case you are just joining us, there's been
a very recent updates. Authority say the suspected shooter at
the deadly Brown University campus attack has been found dead
from an apparent self inflicted gun wound shot gunshot wound

(34:19):
rather and his name is being reported as forty eight
year old Claudio Manuel Neves Balente. So we will keep
you posted and body you have yet another story that
we wanted to get into.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Joran van der Sloot's name I haven't heard for quite
some time, but he I know we all here are
familiar with him. But for those who aren't, he is
the man who is linked or you know, confessed to
the murder of American teen Natalie Holloway in Aruba in
two thousand and five. He's serving time in Peru for

(34:58):
murdering a woman named Stephanie. Let me just tell you
what happened, and I'll go into the backstory, But let
me just tell you what happened. Prisons guards say that
they found Jorin van der Slut trying to take his
own life in prison. He was hanging himself. They were
serving breakfast. They were serving breakfast, and he was found
in his cell with a blanket tied around his neck

(35:20):
during this routine, you know, breakfast. They immediately rushed him
to the facilities medical ward, where his condition was later
described as stable. So the for the backstory, Natalie Holloway.
She was eighteen years old. She was from Alabama. She
went to Aruba in May of two thousand and five,

(35:42):
and this case became like one of the most widely
you know, widely followed cases in modern history. I mean
this case went for I mean it was all over.
Nancy Grace was talking about it every single day, everywhere,
inside edition, a current affair, like hard copy, remember these shows.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Everybody was talking about this.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
She was on a graduation trip in Aruba with classmates
when she vanished after a night out. When Natalie failed
to board her return flight home, and an international search
began almost immediately, drawing intense media attention and sparking years
of public scrutiny, speculation, and heartbreak for her family. Her mom,
Beth was like she never gave up looking for her daughter.

(36:27):
She was a powerhouse, Wowspiringuba. She was in Aruba, she
was in a Ruba and she disappeared. She never got
back on her plane.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
Nothing.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
So early in the investigation, Dutch nationals, you know he's Dutch.
Joran Vanderslute emerged as this primary person of interest because
he was last seen with her in the early morning
hours outside of this nightclub that they all went to
So although vander Slute wasn't you know, never he was

(36:59):
arrested will times by the Erubian authorities, but he was
never charged in her disappearance. The case was complicated by
jurisdictional limits, inconsistent statements, lack of physical evidence, and shifting
accounts from those who were last seen with her. In
the years that followed, Van der Slute repeatedly changed his
story about what happened to Natalie. You know, he had

(37:23):
multiple stories and conflicting versions, claiming at different points that
she left on her own, or that she collapsed after
an accidental injury, or that others were involved. Now keep
in mind Aruba does not have a statue or they
do have a statute of limitations on murders. It's only
twelve years, which is crazy to me.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
Wow, that's why.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, I didn't remember that fact. So anyway, he never
got arrested. But in twenty ten he escalated his involvement
in the case by extorting Natalie's mother that was desperate
for information. Okay, she's desperate for information. He demanded two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars in exchange for information about

(38:04):
where Natalie's body could be found.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
So Beth, how joining her the mother, the mom? This
part I really didn't know this part?

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Oh you didn't. Okay, Well, buckle up.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
So two hundred three, Beth Holloway and federal authorities cooperated
in a controlled operation during which vander Slute accepted an
initial payment and provided information that proved to be fake.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
This extortion scheme led to his arrest and later conviction
in the United States on federal charges independent of Natalie's disappearance.
So he got convicted of extortion, all right. Just days
later after this extortion payment, vander Slut murdered Stephanie Flores.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Oh my god, a twenty.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
One year old woman in Peru. He was convicted and
sentenced to prison there, which is where he's at right now.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
And why he tried to hang himself right today?

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Rights, right? So that's the backstory. Wow, does it all
make sense? Yes?

Speaker 5 (39:04):
You told it so well. I feel like you painted
the picture in a perfect way to in.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Two thousand and five, I hadn't realized this, but just
a couple of days ago, three days ago, Netflix made
a big announcement that they're set to release a three
part documentaries.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
Natalie there's a connection between the two. Like, I wonder,
is he aware that that was going.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
To well, well, that's that's what I was wondering. Body's
shaking your head, no, but I wonder.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
He I did you know a little bit of research
this morning when I read the article that this happened,
and he had been complaining for quite some time that
he's been feeling depressed about his incarceration.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
One thing that I need.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
To tell you guys too, though, is that he did
confess eventually to Natalie's death. He did confess so in October,
and this is very recently. In October of twenty twenty three,
while he was imprisoned, Jordan Vanderslut formally confessed to killing
Natalie Holloway as part of a plea agreement in the
United States related to the extortion case. So this extortion

(40:12):
thing that he tried to pull, he pled with it,
and part of the plea was to confess and give
details about what happened to Natalie and what happened. He
admitted that he beat her to death on the beach
in Aruba after she rejected his sexual advances, and said
he disposed of her body in the ocean while this
confession finally provided a lot of you know, official acknowledgment

(40:35):
of responsibility. It didn't bring full closure. Natalie's remains have
never been recovered and some details can't be independently verified, right, so,
you know, poor Beth Holloway. And from what I remember too,
Jordan Vandersut's family, his dad was like trying to cover
for him, and you know they come from some means,

(40:56):
some lice.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
Yeah, yeah, that part I remember. He's a typical I
guess Stephanie would say, very an entitled title and she
would be having a field day with this one.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Can you imagine, like the absence of soul? You must
have to not just beat a teenage girl to death
and throw her in the ocean, and then go ahead
and extort the dead girl's mother like what he's kind
of insides?

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Do you have to be able to do that or
even think of it?

Speaker 5 (41:33):
Right?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
And then go murder some a twenty one year old
woman in Peru, Stephanie Flores.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Stephanie Flores, Yeah, he murdered her in a hotel room
from what I remember, And he was convicted very quickly,
very quick from what I remember, he was convicted very quickly.
So he's serving time I think twenty eight years. He's
serving in Peru and that's where he's at right now,
and that's where he tried to kill himself. But he
is in stable condition. He is going to survive.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Now.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
If he does, you know, make it through the twenty
eight years, he will be extradited to the United States
to serve a twenty year sentence for the extortion. Oh ah,
so that's great, right And for those who are like,
kind of like, why isn't he going to be arrested
for the murder? Will the murder happened in Aruba, and
so the charges would need to happen there. And there

(42:23):
is a limit of years on how long in you know, Aruba,
you could be you know, convicted of a crime for
and it's twelve years. Here in the United States, we
don't have a statute limitation on murder, but in Aruba
they do. It's twelve years. I can't believe that.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
I mean, it's crazy, ridiculously short. Do we know how
old he is Jordan?

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Oh gosh, I don't know how old he is right now,
but he was around I think he was like twenty.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Twenty two or so.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
He's around twenty years when when in the US where
he won't be getting out anytime soon.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
I mean he'll well, I mean I think the earliest
he would ever see freedom would be like seventy years old.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Or okay, he's thirty eight years old. He was born
in eighty seven.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
Okay, okay, okay, So all right, Wow, I can't believe
we've never covered that story either, because that's such a
big one.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
It's a I mean, this was like everywhere in the
early two thousands for years. I remember Nancy Greene talking
about it like every night. Yeah, and she had Beth
Hollyway would come on. Now, Beth Holloway never gave up,
and all she wanted was to bury her daughter. That's
all she wanted. And she's never gotten that. And so

(43:33):
some you know, this case is like a really good example,
you know, like you know, the confession confirmed what they
long believed, but it also you know, underscored this truth that,
you know Lingerton's two thousand and five. Accountability doesn't always
come with answers and justice doesn't always come with peace.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Right. Wow, it sucks.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
You know, just because you know they have information doesn't
give them any peace at all.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
It's so sad. It is sad. It's terrible. Yeah, wow,
well that that Yeah, thank you for keeping us up
to speed on that. Of course, of course we'll continue
following anything else or anything more with that. But in
the meantime, Sam and Adam, maybe we have Do we
have enough time for a talk back down things out

(44:20):
of this segment?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Okay, Hey, it's Lisa from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 8 (44:23):
I love love, love, love love you all, and I
hate to even make this call, but I would love
to hear some more person first language when we are
talking about the Rhiner case.

Speaker 9 (44:33):
I've heard the words tweaker from at it multiple times,
and I would love to hear that switch to more
person first language, like a person with addiction. Just like
with diabetes. From now on, we don't say bettek. We
say person with diabetes. Love you See.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
I didn't know that I'm learning stuff from I'm learning
stuff every day. It's never our intention to you know, obviously,
we don't ever want to offend anything, you know, but
I but I do believe we kind of were reporting
on the hotel. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, it was a quote from that the detectives or
investigators release that one of the person who checked Nick
Reiner into the hotel in Santa Monica after he allegedly
stabbed his mother and father, Rob and Melissa Reiner to death.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
And they said he appeared to be a tweaker.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
Or he was tweaked. I think he was tweeting something
like yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
And then I think we might have gone on a
little bit about it, but you're sorry we did definitely didn't,
you know, mean anything. I'm learning that I didn't know that,
So thank you for going to be men.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
And also saying that someone is an addict like I
used that, you know, just the same conversational way, so same.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
I mean, I said it about my brother the other night.
My brother's an alcoholic.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Yeah, so it's something to be conscious of. And I'm
sure I'll slept occasionally and still go back. But thank you, Lisa.
We appreciate those talk backs that keep us on the
right path.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. And then on the word which again
note taken, and thank you.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
What you don't know, you don't know? And I also did.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Not, but I read an article is from a reporter
who ten years back had dinner with the entire Reiner family,
including you know, Nick and dad Rob and what Rob
Reiner said was that two books helped him really connect
with his son who he was unable to connect with

(46:30):
Nick and that was Beautiful Boy, which has been turned
into a movie, and actually another book called Speaker, which
is a really memoir. So anyways, stick around because coming
up at the top of the hour, critical hearing raps
in the Luigi Maanngi own case and one decision could
change everything. Also, we have an update in the Brian

(46:54):
Walsh murder trial. Keep it here at True Crime Tonight,
We're talking true crime all the time.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
This is your Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, where we're talking
true crime all the time. I'm body Movin and I'm
here with producer Courtney Armstrong and producer Taha ros Now listen.
We have a quick update at the top of the
hour about the Brown University shooting. Authorities say the suspected
shooter in the deadly Brown University campus and the MIT

(47:31):
shooting has been found dead from an apparent self inflicted
gunshot wound. His name is being reported as forty eight
year old Claudio Manuel Nevez Valente. The investigators continue probing
all things surrounding him, and this news is coming in
fast and furious, and we're kind of flying by the
seat of our pants, and I'm going to read you

(47:52):
what is going on right now. So, federal authorities announced
that the suspect in the shooting involving the Brown University
and an MIT professor has been found dead inside a
storage facility in New Hampshire, Providence. Police identified the suspect
as forty eight year old Claudio Manuel Nevis Valente. He's
a former Brown University and Portuguese national from Miami. According

(48:17):
to Colonel Oscar L. Perez Junior, Nevis Valenti was born
in Portugal and became a US legal permanent resident in
twenty seventeen after arriving as a student in two thousand.
Rhode Island Attorney General Peter n'rona said, I'm hopefully.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
I butchered that man.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
We're doing the best we can.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
We're doing the best we can here.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
So when the authorities entered this storage facility to serve
the warrant, he was dead. So what's interesting about this too,
is that this this MIT professor who is also you know,
he was a physics person as well as the suspect.
A studied physics. They went to school together in Portugal. Wow,
and that's like the connection. So you know, that's you know,

(49:00):
because because the suspect, the guy who's dead, studied physics
with the professor who he killed in Portugal and he's
a professor of physics and this attack occurred at the
physics building in at Brown University.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
Oh, there's just a lot there.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
There's a lot.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
It's like a trayanglev but all those connections.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Yeah, so as news comes out, we're going to continue
updating everyone throughout the hour if there's any you know,
really really important information. But what do we have next?
On the plate? Courtney?

Speaker 3 (49:33):
This plate is full this place I.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Know, me, I know, And okay, moving on Luigiman Gione.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, the nine day.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Pre trial suppression hearing in the Mangion, New York murder
case has concluded.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
It is over.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
And what that means is that now Judge Harrow has
until May eighteenth to decide which evidence be admissible at
the trial.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Can we all.

Speaker 5 (50:02):
Just yeah, that seems like an eternity.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
It makes me feel impatient and it probably I know,
the wheels of justice blah blae blah.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
Is a common body or is this I mean, is
it's Okay, this is not an unusually very common Okay,
and you.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Know, even we said, you know, they do need judges
should be given time to actually give thoughtful consideration and
to weigh things in a measured way. So I'm on
the one hand all for it, Yeah, the other it
seems far.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
So.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Now Luigi Mangione, he's twenty seven years old and has
been charged with the December twenty twenty four murder of
United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson that happened in Manhattan, and
I'm sure most of us remember that because it absolutely
blanket and dominated the news one year ago. Mangi Owne

(50:58):
faces both New York York state as well as federal charges,
and that includes the possibility of the death penalty. Yeah,
these pre trial suppression hearings, they've really focused on whether
evidence seesed without a warrant, as well as statements that
the accused shooter, man Geone, made before his miranda rights

(51:21):
were read to him, can indeed be used at his
state trial. And we unpacked it quite a bit with
our prosecutor, Jarrett Farentino last night, which was great. But yeah,
the trial nine days over three weeks, and the defense rested.

(51:44):
Its interesting to note without calling any witnesses.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Oh, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
I guess it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
They pushed it back.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
They just want to challenge the evidence that the state
wants to present, right, So yeah, yeah, that makes sense
to me that they wouldn't at present, they wouldn't call anyone, right.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
I know that they wanted to.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
I know that they wanted to question one of the
one of the detectives, but the state pulled him back
and they didn't test He didn't testify, so I know
that the defense was disappointed about that. I watched the
press conference today. His name escapes to me at the moment,
But yeah, they were disappointed that they didn't get to
cross him. But I think the state were. They were

(52:27):
onto it, and they were like, no, we're not going
to put him up there.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
So it's interesting. Did anything else stand out during the
press conference that you saw today? Not really nothing? Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Do you know if that means that that detective wouldn't
later be able at the actual trial to be put.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
On as I'm sure he would. Oh, I'm sure he would.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah, I'm sure he would.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
I think they were just gonna I don't remember now,
honest I shouldn't have said it, because now I don't remember,
but no, I just remember going, oh, that's interesting, but yeah,
that's right, and it is.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Now I'm remembering as well. It was the New York
PD detective Oscar.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
D Yes, thank you. Yes.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
And what's interesting about all this is that it really
evolves what law needs to be followed Pennsylvania or New York. Right,
the murder happened in New York. For those who need
you aren't familiar, the murder happened in downtown Manhattan or
midtown Manhattan. Luigi hopped on a bus, went to Pennsylvania

(53:29):
and he was arrested in Pennsylvania. And the laws are
different in each state. Well, the detective from New York
drove to Pennsylvania to question Luigi. And this is where all,
you know, the pre child hearings have been focused on,
is you know he was being recorded. He wasn't informed,
he asked for an attorney, and the detective, I guess,

(53:51):
just kept recording.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
So that's the crux of.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
This issue, right, the crux of this issue.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, but the prosecut the state has agreed to pull
anything that has statements, the statements that occurred after the
point at which Mangione said, I would like legal counsel
so that they just on their own right and this
detail and I don't know what it's referring to, but

(54:19):
you know, back to who you mentioned, body about Oscar Diaz,
the detective who did not take the stand. The defense's
the defense attorneys. They were prepared to question him to
quote correct a statement they claim was never made, and
it was.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Regarding the mom.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Yes, yes, now it's coming back to me, Yes, something
about the mom.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
She said.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
They quote he quoted the mom saying like that sounds
something like Luis you would do or something like that.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
And she never said that. She never said it.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's exactly what it was. Thank you, Courtney,
because I was it was escaping me.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah, so let me just finish this up. I know
we have a lot more to get to, but you know,
back to sort of the fact that it's going to
be in the judge's hand until May. Several things need
to happen, and written submissions for the suppression motion are due.

(55:19):
The defenses is due by January twenty ninth of next year,
and the prosecutions is due by March, and the defense
is then allowed two weeks to reply to the prosecution's filing,
so all of that needs to take place for the
judge to weigh and measure of what evidence will be
put in. And then also the next time we will

(55:42):
see Lui jiman Gione in court is January ninth, but
that will be for the federal case.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Yeah, the federal case is goofy to me. Why why so?

Speaker 4 (55:55):
I think they're only filing federal charges on him for
the death penalty because New York doesn't have one interesting
I really, I really don't. To me, the federal cases
like so stupid. That's just my opinion. It's just my opinion.
It's just so stupid.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
I wish you were clear with your thoughts and feelings.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
I know it's right to read you. It's tough.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
You'll never you'll never be continused about how I feel,
which is a beauty.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
Honestly, I love it so much. It's just so stupid.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
It just seems excessive and stupid.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah, fair enough, Well listen, this is true crime tonight.
We are on iHeartRadio, trying not to be excessive or stupid,
trying our best. Courtney Armstrong, I am lucky to be
here with body movin and we were just talking about
the culmination of Luigimanjian's pre child hearing. We'd love to

(56:47):
hear from you, so hit us up on the talkbacks.
It's on the iHeartRadio app. If you go to the
upper right hand corner. It's a little red button. You
press the microphone, you leave a voice memo. Boom, you're
on the show and we have a talk back now.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
Hi, this is Stephanie from Missouri. I was just wondering
in the Brian Walsh case, does his kids get the
inheritance that Anna had or does it just go away?
Thanks a lot, love you guys.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
What a good question and I love that you're thinking
about the kids. So yeah, under Massachusetts law, Brian Walsh
cannot receive the inheritance from Anna Walsh because he's been convicted.
He's being treated basically, gets treated as if he died, okay,
so he doesn't exist as far as the inheritance is concerned.

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Any inheritance will pass to their children. It's probably going
to be placed in a court supervised trust because they're miners,
and a judge would probably appoint a guardian or a
trustee to manage the money for the children's benefit, not Brian's.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
That makes sense, Okay, it's.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
What will happen. Yeah, so he was sentenced today.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
Oh yeah, or he got the latest in that one.
So what's happening with that?

Speaker 4 (58:03):
No surprises really, Brian Walsh. He was sentenced to life
in prison without the possibility of parole today for the
first degree murder of his wife an A Walsh, along
with consecutive sentences for lying to police and illegally disposing
of her body. On A Walsh. She was thirty nine
years old. She went missing and I'm using air quotes
on the missing part on January first, twenty twenty three,

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and her body has never been found. Her husband, Brian Walsh,
She's fifty years old. He was convicted by a jury
earlier this week after prosecutors argued he premeditately say that
six times he killed her with premeditation, dismembered and disposed
her disposed of her body. So today Judge Vernier in Dedham,

(58:48):
Massachusetts formally sentenced him. Following his conviction, he received a
mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole for first
degree murder, the only sentence permitted under the law law.
Judge Venir also imposed consecutive sentences for the two lesser
charges he pled guilty to ahead of the trial, which were,

(59:09):
of course, lying to police and disposing of her body.
And he's going to get up to twenty years for
that and three years. It's crazy. Twenty years for lying
to the police and three years for just dismembering disposing
of the cloud.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Doesn't that seem crazy to you? I truly don't understand that.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
And when we when we first hit upon this fact
that it can be three years, I know it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Law law? Is it twenty no matter what the one
lie is or are they counting various lies? Like it's
several years for this.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
I think it's the ceiling. It's the ceiling when you
can get up to that much. So it's going to
be at the judge's discretion.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
Right, It's awful to dispose of a body as such
a minor amount.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
In comparison, I feel like traffic infractions can be l
three years, like what is happening with the prior.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Yeah, he did not address the court at sentencing, and
he showed no visible emotion, which is not surprising because
I think his brain is just dead air, you know,
I just don't think he's a very smart man. So
his sentencing. During his sentencing, the judge spoke to him.
It said, yeah, It said that his sentence is immensely

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appropriate and just given your murderous acts and the life
trauma that you've inflicted upon your children.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
Wow. That yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Went on to say because of the lies to the police, right,
thousands of hours of investigative resources were wasted, diverted from
other deserving cases, and that his acts in dismembering your
wife's body and disposing of her remains in multiple area
dumpsters can only be described as barbaric and incomprehensible.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
I totally agree with her.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
She went on to say, Yah, me too. She went
on to say, you have no regard for the lifelong
mental harm that your criminal acts have inflected on your
then two four and six year old sons. They will
never be able to properly grieve that loss or say
goodbye to their moms. So sad because they've lost their

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mom right tragically, and then they've lost their dad.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Right, he's been so life. It's so sad, and I mean, barbaric.
I know the judge was talking about this membering for that,
but it's barbaric in those children, this is talking. The
oldest would have been in kinder kindergarten and the youngest

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would have been in diapers. Right, and this man their father,
Brian Walsh, just decimated three lives four of course.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
Love look at a person I don't know loved and
do that anyway. The whole thought process of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Very selfish man.

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
Yeah, I'm very selfish. I'm happy that the judge said
and did me too.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Apparently, Brian Walsh's mother wrote a letter on Brian's behalf
and she said that although she considered this letter from
the killer's mom, Brian Walsh's mom on his perhaps she
simply she said, I simply cannot reconcile the person described
with the person standing for sentence and stated that Brian
Walsh will live with the guilt and burden of Anna

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Walsh's death for the rest of your life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
The mom sing it, yeah, judge, well, thank you for
those updates, body and listen. Coming up, we have two
stories of kidnapping, one that vanished a child for decades
and another that was never supposed to happen at all.
That more true crime tonight. When we are talking true
crime all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, where we're
talking true crime all the time. I'mbody moving here. Producer
Courtney Armstrong. Stephanie Leidecker is out tonight. But it wouldn't
be True Crime Tonight if we didn't have a stacked
night of headlines in her in her honor. You know,
our team is always looking for local stories that haven't
made national news. And this one is from the Tampa area,

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which is one of our affiliates, and it's about this kidnapping.
It happened about forty years ago and it's wild. Michelle
Newton Okay, she's born in nineteen eighty she disappeared when
she was three years old to what happened in nineteen
eighty three along with her mother. Her mother is Deborah Newton,
and subsequently, you know, they both were reported missing. Deborah

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Newton was the suspect of kidnapping her daughter Michelle, and
was later placed on the FBI's Top eight most Wanted
Parental Kidnapping Future list. The missing daughter, Michelle Newton, has
now been located and reunited with her family. Mother Deborah Newton,
was arrested in Florida and extradited to Kentucky to face

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custodial interference charges.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Later, Yeah, forty years later, dalsidebuilt.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
I think I've talked about this before, but this happened
to my family, my cousin, and I think I was
like just born, and my cousin was kidnapped from my aunt,
my mom's sister. And this was in nineteen seventy three,
many you know, long time ago, and this was before
like you know, the FBI would get involved in frontal abductions.

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And we all knew. I mean, I was just born.
I didn't know anything, but the family all knew that
his dad took him, but we didn't know where they were.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
We didn't know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
But apparently they went to California and he reached out
to our family when he was like twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
You found a cousin who had my cousin kidnapped? How
am I able to ask questions? How old was he?
Did he was he aware he was kidnapped? No, he
was told his mom died during childbirth.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
No way, he was a baby. He was a baby.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Yeah, anyways, let's get back to this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
But it's interesting that this happened because it happened to
my family, and this kind of I grew up with
this like my whole life.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
Like I can't imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
He was never I.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Don't want to say his name, but he was never around.
It was really sad. But anyway, so yeah, Michelle was found.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
She you know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Deborah the mom claimed her daughter, Michelle and her were
moving to Georgia for a new job and home, and
after their departure, the daughter, Michelle and mom Deborah were
never seen again. A final phone call between Deborah the
Mom and Michelle's father, Joseph Newton, occurred somewhere between nineteen
eighty four and nineteen eighty five, after which they both

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just vanished. The mother was charged with custodial interference, indicted,
and became a fugitive, and at one point was listed
on the FBA's FBI's top eight most wanted rental kidnapping fugitives.
Authorities were able to locate the daughter or they were
not able to locate the daughter or Michelle for decades.

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In two thousand, the case was dismissed. They closed the
case in two thousand because prosecutors could not reach Michelle's dad,
Joseph the guy who was looking for his daughter and
the daughter was removed from the National Missing Children's Database
in two thousand and five.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
I didn't know they did like, I didn't know they
did that either. I did not know they did that.

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
In twenty fifteen, a family member requested authorities re examine
the case, leading to its reopening and re indictment in
twenty sixteen. WOW investigators used modern tools, including an age
progressed image release by the National Center for Missing and
Exploited Children in twenty twenty four to show what would

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Michelle look like at age forty five? Remember she went
missing when she was three years old, and they took
this photo and recreated her in what she would look
like today. Right. So, in twenty twenty five, a crime
stopper tip a tip came into crime Stoppers identified the
mom Deborah living in Marion County, Florida, under the name

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Sharon Neely.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Huh can you believe that?

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
So?

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Now, of course, her real name is Deborah Newton. She
had remarried, she retired, and built an entire new life
without her previous identity. The US Marshalls were involved with this.
Our favorites. The Marshals love the Marshalls, and they confirmed
Mom Deborah's new identity by comparing a recent photo to
a nineteen eighty three image and via DNA testing using

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a sample from Deborah Newton's own sister.

Speaker 9 (01:08:01):
Math.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
Wow, so now more like this. I was just gonna say, like,
because of modern technology, Like I wondered, if they're going
to reopen more of these missing Oh, I'm sure, since
we're both shocked the clothes, but sure, I'm fascinated by
this one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
So the daughter, this poor daughter, you know, she's now
forty three years old, and she learned for the first
time she had been inducted in living under a different name.
She was never made aware that she was even reported missing.
She had no idea, just like my cousin. Just like
my cousin, he had no idea. He just thought Mom died.
And wow, terrible, absolutely terrible. So, yeah, she learned for

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the first time she had been adducted and living under
a different name, and she was totally unaware that she'd
been reported missing. And she was reunited with her father, Oh,
Joseph Newton, and some extended family members after more than
forty years.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
Part Oh that's hard work.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
Dad described the reunion as just like seeing her when
she was first born. It was like an angel, so Mom, Deborah.
She was arrested in November while waiting while walking her
dog in the villages.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
Of course it was the villages.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
She was extradited to Kentucky and charged with custodial interference
and released on bond posted by another family member.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
Wow. Michelle.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
The daughter attended the court proceedings with both her parents
and expressed her desire to support them both. I mean,
this poor girl, she's got to be so torn. I mean,
obviously she loves her mother, sure, and now she has
this new relationship with her father. Yeah, And she says,
you know, she's trying to support them both and try
to navigate and help them both. Just wrap it up

(01:09:45):
so that we can all heal, highlighting the emotional reconciliation
and ongoing healing process.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
I just, yeah, it's crazy, Yeah, to rebuild that relationship
with the dad. I'm happy that's happening, But.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
It doesn't always work out that way.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
Yeah, because it would probably be a little unusual, right,
new family members, So you have to rebuild that, right.
I love love hearing this story.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
And then you know, you you grow up your whole
life thinking one thing, and then you find out. It's
all of arce you have a little bit of resentment,
you know, and to both parents it's very Yeah, things
I never considered, you know, until it happened to my family,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
Obviously. I find that also that age progressed imagings. Yes,
wouldn't it be interesting if each of us gave someone
like our childhood pictures to see, you know, close to
our adult I did.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
I did a podcast and we met through Katie Studios
and we met a guy and he goes by sketch
cop and he's awesome. He is really he's awesome dude,
and he does these age progressions that he's fascinating and
he wrote software that does him Now. I mean, he's
just really interesting. But I find the whole process process

(01:11:01):
of age progression like super interesting, super yeah, yeah, super interesting.
So this is true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. I've just
given an update on this girl that went missing for
forty years and she was found. It was a parental
custodial problem. She's been returned to her family. All is
good and taha. I understand you have a story for us.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
I do. Mine involves kidnapping as well, not as happy
an ending, but I'll fill you in. And this is
also another one of our affiliates. This one is our
Fort Fort Smith, Arkansas affiliate, which there's a local story.
So let me tell you the background and get you
the whole lay of the land. A former Arkansas Library

(01:11:43):
board member. Her name is Tammy Handy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
She Tammy Hanby.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
Tammy Handy, say that three times fast. She and three
others have been arrested for staging the kidnapping of get this,
Tammy's own daughter. Her daughter had special needs, so keep
that in mind. But her daughter's name is Jamie Hanby.
She did all of this and what she claimed was
an attempt to teach her about online safety. So this

(01:12:09):
is almost like one of those like I'm going to
scare you straight kind of situations.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
I feel like every story we tell I can relate to.
My mom called the cops, I mean for stealing a
fun dip from the corner store when I was like
six years old, and my uncle, who was a cop,
came to arrest me.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
I was about to say, you told this, but it's
your uncle, so there's already connection. This one is wacky
because these are total strangers she had involved with this.
So let me oh my god. Yeah, in the background.
So the incident took place in an area called Crawford County, Arkansas.
And Jamie, she's only twenty two years old, and again
she has special needs. She had been lured online by

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some individuals connected to country singer Luke Bryant. You guys
know Luke Bryan's.

Speaker 9 (01:12:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
So the victim, Jamie, she believed she was going to
meet Luke Bryant, and her family became alarmed because they
realized that she was being manipulated and she was actually
sending money to this person. Oh so mom thought, you
know what, I have a way to help her understand
how to be wiser online. I'm going to kidnap her.

(01:13:12):
So she got two friends, one is a certified a
nursing assistant and two other men, this gentleman named David
Quack and Nico Austria. The group, the trio, or actually
the four of them, they planned. The plan involved zip
tying Jamie. They took her to a remote field somewhere
out in Crawford County. They tied her to a tree,

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and all of this was sort of this plan to
teach her about safety. Well, luckily, poor little Jamie, she
escaped on her own. She went and reported the incident,
and she was so terrified, and you could see she
was visibly terrified. She was holding a little teddy bear
and she was crying and shaking. The police then investigated

(01:13:56):
in everything. They found out that the mom was involved.
Now Mom is married. She's married to doctor Jeffrey Hamby.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Who wait a minute, this is a doctor's wife.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
That was the first thing I thought. I was like
a doctor, like you would think you was. But I'm
going to tell you the doctor didn't know anything about it.
So just because goodness, he's a doctor. Maybe Mom is
clearly not as bright as her husband. But anyway, it
all went awry and authorities quickly criticized the scheme. It's
very dangerous, and particularly for a young girl who is

(01:14:28):
already vulnerable with you know, difficulties understanding the difference between
safety and risk. So Jamie since has been placed in
protective state custody and Mom she had. She's set at
one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars bond, and each
of the accomplices for twenty five thousand dollars bond.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Okay, you've broken my heart in about seventeen different with
that story, I am.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
So sad from every I mean, I mean, what's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Up, I said, Oh, Courtney, Yeah, well, I mean come on,
And I can understand the intention because even in the
beginning when So said, your daughter with special needs is
being manipulated and lied to and having her hopes thinking
she's gonna meet probably a hero of hers, you know,
Luke Bryan is beloved, and so she's sending money and

(01:15:24):
how do you stop it?

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
If this is she believes me?

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
He said, So that okay, heartbreak number one to how
you are break there, you know, and then with the
mom to go to such when you're involving zip ties
with teaching a lesson, it's time to take a pause
and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I'm sure, like you said,
there was I guess some good intention. Maybe she just
wasn't thinking through in the wisest way or I don't know,
but it's it's awful. And what I can't get past
is if the little girl had to a little girl,
If if little Tammy had to escape, that means they

(01:16:04):
left her somewhere like they just I'm just.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Going to ask you did they leave or tied to
a tree.

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
That part is still unclear. It sounds like they left
her tied to a tree and clearly left because the
girl had to be away. So I mean, if you're
going to do this stupid stuff, just hide behind the
little tree somewhere, you know, hide so you can don't
do it at all. I don't think you should do
it all. Yes, thank you, right, Yeah, that's a wiser choice.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
And then this twenty two year old with special needs
is now in state protective custody.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
I know what.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
About her with the doc I don't know, I mean
if the because I don't understand that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
Yeah, I'm not sure he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Facing charges, but maybe they authorities were so concerned because
it happened those Yeah, he was.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Adult Protective Services got involved.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Maybe yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
And also I'm not completely clear on the dead you
know situation like are they a separated couple? Some of
this we don't have some of the details on, so
we'd have to find that out.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
Maybe one of our local affiliate listeners, can you know,
give us as I have so many questions like did
they leave or tied to this tree? And where the
teddy mare come from? And so for how much? Yeah,
how long she's there? I have so many questions.

Speaker 5 (01:17:22):
Yeah, absolutely, and you've just.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
Been terrified apparently the I'm assuming she was kidnapped by
these there's four people involved, but maybe three that three,
so they strangers.

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
And I have seen once in a while. You've probably
seen these sort of pressures. I see where they're like
you got in the band with these people have done that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
Yeah, I've seen those, and I mean I think those
are terrible too. But I mean this has gone a
little bit too far.

Speaker 5 (01:17:52):
This too far? Yeah, wow, I mean, yeah, the whole
scared straight thing, I was in that same boat as you, Like,
I had a relative that did something to scared me straight.
But this is yeah, I never forgot that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
You didn't any more.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
I got cuffed. Well, so it was my uncle who
was not like related to me, so he was like
the mean uncle and like I, they cuffed me and
put me in the back of the car and everything.
I stole cuffs, cuffs and everything. Oh okay, didn't I
was getting hold of jail. I was gonna get fingerprinted
and mug shotted. My mom was crying and she was

(01:18:27):
an actress.

Speaker 5 (01:18:27):
She was an actress.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Wow, Okay, stick around, You've got more talkbacks to get
to keep it right here True Crime Tonight.

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We're talking true crime.

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All the time.

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Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
Breaking update right So, Federal authorities announced that the suspect
in the shooting at Brown University and the killing of
an MIT professor has been found dead inside a storage
facility in New Hampshire, Providence. Police identified the suspect as
forty eight year old Claudio Manuel Nuevez Valente. He's a

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former Brown University and Portuguese national from Miami. Nevez Valente
was born in Portugal and became a US legal permanent
resident in twenty seventeen after arriving on a student visa
in two thousand, When authorities entered the storage facility to
serve the warrant, he was dead, apparently from a self

(01:20:17):
inflicted gunshot wound. There were loads of guns found around him,
a satchel, and evidence in the car that matches exactly
what we see at the scene here in Providence, they said.
The Brown University president, Christina Paxton, said that he did
attend Brown University, enrolling in a doctoral program in physics

(01:20:37):
before taking a leave of absence and eventually withdrawing in
two thousand and three. Remember at the Brown University. Tragically,
the shooting occurred at the physics.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
Building, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
So that and then the MIT professor that was shot
a couple of days later, about fifty miles away, was
also a professor of physics, so they apparently went to
school together. So the update in all this, you know,
we've been going through this or whatnot, is that multiple
firearms were found near the suspect inside the Salem, New

(01:21:10):
Hampshire storage unit. Authorities also said the suspect had been
changing license plates and was found with plates from Maine.
The suspect had been moving around New England since his
arrival in October, so he really, yeah, he's been. New
photos of him were obtained from a car rental location

(01:21:32):
linked to the investigation. So yeah, So, I mean this
just happened before we went to air, so we just
wanted to provide updates throughout the night for those who
who couldn't get them themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
So yeah, thank you for that update. You know, this
is this is wild. This is the second time we've
had these breaking news stories.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
Right as we're live, right right right. So, the US attorney,
Leah B. Foley, said that he had been using a
phone with a blocker to prevent calling him sophisticated in
hiding his tracks. The US attorney said that it is
her understanding that the suspect knew the MIT professor and

(01:22:10):
that there is no doubt the professor was the intended target. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
So authorities went on to say that they don't have
any indication that he knew any of the Brown University victims,
they do not know when he killed himself, and they
are unaware of any prior criminal record. Google phones and
European simcards may have prevented real time tracking of his location,
and he apparently had lived in Florida, but rented a

(01:22:36):
hotel in Boston around the time of the killings, and
also rented the car. He returned to Massachusetts in December
thirteenth and fourteenth and killed the MIT professor on the fifteenth.
Man so they say he switched his vehicle plates to
an unregistered main point, rented a storage unit in November,

(01:22:56):
and was captured on security cameras near the professor's apartment
entering the storage unit wearing the same clothing as Dream murder.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
So he didn't change his clothes.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Yeah, so there's still sting to just to not change
your clothes. But you have a sophisticated lo locker on
your phone.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
And license plate unregistered license plate, right, yeah, So again,
there is no indication that he knew any of the
victims other than the MIT professor. Right now, it's still
you know, they're still investigating everything, and they don't know
where he got the main plate, which had been this
specific style of main plate had been out of circulation

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for ten years.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
Oh so yeah, well, if.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
You're sourcing it from, like I need a fakeplate, dot
com or something.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
You know that they might have.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
They might Yeah, well I think people collect like vintage plates.
Maybe he bought it from eBay or something, you know,
or oh sure, something like that. Yeah, so that's the
update in that.

Speaker 5 (01:23:59):
Wow, I'm really curious about the student connection or if.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
That was just a random I don't Yeah that we
don't know the physics because it's it tends to be
a very small discipline. My my father in law was
really incredibly successful in the physics world, and he had
his he went to m I T. He got his
doctor from cal Berkeley. He you know, was a physics

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professor before blah blah blah. But physics in general, it's
just it doesn't small. It's small. It means a big
and it's it's it's like a I don't know, it's
a close community. So I'm very curious as that as
this unfolds, what more we'll hear about these connections.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
And yeah, as soon as we as soon as we're
off air, I'm obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Going to be.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Watching on the news, you know, refreshing Reddit and Twitter
and all the all the all the things.

Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
We can take a little sigh of relief that at
least one killer is off the street.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
One is off the street.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
I'm really fortunately for the Brown community I am today,
I am the I T community.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
I mean course horrible.

Speaker 9 (01:25:20):
Up.

Speaker 5 (01:25:21):
Yeah, listen, I was going to say, may we with
some couple of talk backs.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Okay, let's do it, hey, true crime tonight, family. This
is Dawn from Stanton Alla, New York. And a while
back you would ask.

Speaker 10 (01:25:31):
What had gotten us into true crime and for me
not to be basic, but it was definitely the John
Benny Ramsey case. That's the one that I continue to
go back to and read every single article, watch every
single documentary, a little obsessed with that case and hearing
anything new about it makes me happy because ultimately I
just want justice for that little girl thinks.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
I would love to know what she thinks about the pineapple?

Speaker 5 (01:25:54):
Oh right, and gone from Staten Island. Think about the pineapple.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
Leave us another time, bath do something. I need to
talk about the pineapple.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
And Don was known to ever take.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
Me into it, to believe it or not. With around
the time Stephanie and I first met, that case was
everywhere and that's that's the one that really, I mean,
everyone was fascinated by it because of all the photos
and you saw it in every place in the world,
but like n it was the one that really got
me fascinated by into the whole true crime world.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
I saw some you know, we we we were just
talking about age progression, and I saw somebody doing age
progression of John Benet.

Speaker 5 (01:26:29):
Oh, that's a good one. I've seen that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Christmas is I think thirty years No, twenty nine year anniversary.

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
I think, Oh, I think you are right. I had
looked that up the last time we're talking about she
would be thirty eight years old.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Yeah, so wow, crazy, right, this is so tangent, tangential.
Do we know who are how that very ridiculous rumor
of Katie Perry being John Bennet?

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
What? Oh, you've got hurt? You don't even know what
I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
I have never what do you? Okay, start over, I'm
not kidding.

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
I'm with you. I heard the same thing. And that's funny.
I was going to ask you jokingly, have you guys
heard that?

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
It's say, I've never heard that. What are you talking about?
Am I living under a rock? What's happening in this instance?

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Yes, because it's something that's been around for a really
long time. It's it's it's ridiculous internet conspiracy theory, but
it's had teeth for a good long while.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27:30):
Just hey, you guys have to look at Sam and Adam.
Have you guys heard that at all as two people
in music?

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
No, I haven't, but I need to hear. I need
to hear what this conspiracy is.

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
The theory first gained some attention back in twenty fourteen,
and it was a YouTube video making the suggestion that
the murder of this poor little girl, John Banny Ramsay
in ninety six was an elaborate hoax staged by her
parents to let her switch and change fame again. It's ridiculous,

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it's a conspiracy. But I'm shocked you haven't heard it
because it just it hangs on like a Yeah, that's
the insane.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
I mean we unfortunately John Benet's little body was photographed
and the photos are widely available on the internet. It's
definitely not Katy Perry.

Speaker 5 (01:28:21):
Yeah, no, I've never heard this before. Yeah, it's a crazy,
whacky one and the ages are off. Katie forty one
years old.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
And I mean everything's off. I didn't mean to even
stir no.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
Because I never I'm going to have to dig into
that one when we're done, because.

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
I mean, you're seriously you know, it's a thing.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
But yeah, no, poor Joan Benet, and you know, they
hopefully will get some answers. You know, we talked this
week on the show, I think Wednesday, I believe about uh,
you know, the Boulder Police uh did their you know, annual.
We're still looking in the case, but this time they
said that they have some new evidence. They didn't tell

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us what it is, and that it's largely based around
the DNA and that they're excited about using some new
methods to test the DNA. And John Ramsey, john Bennet's father,
wants IgG done with authorm on the DNA. And for
those who aren't familiar, IgG is investigative genetic genealogy where

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they take your DNA and basically build your family tree
on on that and they find like maybe you know
your cousin and then they build it back. So yeah,
hopefully we'll get some answers very soon about poor John Benet,
because that is something that lives in our memory for forever.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think anyone will rest until
we get that, get some answers with.

Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
That right, right, right, So thank you for the talkback.
Don We really appreciate. But let me know what you
think about the pineapple.

Speaker 5 (01:29:56):
And so I note, I love your accent. That's statan Alanax.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
I know, I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
It's like that's another one like Boston, like the Brooklyn,
the Staten Island, the queens On Island.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
New York Northeast. They love it. I love it. I
absolutely love it. So grab another. Yeah, let's do another one.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
What do you have true crime tonight? Where you talk
true crime all the time except for sometimes.

Speaker 9 (01:30:22):
Where we all talk about weighted best and write and
buying things on the marketplace.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
Our Royal News Atlantic.

Speaker 9 (01:30:28):
Constabulary has designated spots at different dispatches where you can
go and meet to.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
Buy and sell things.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
They have cameras all of those things. Oh so see
that's what we need because I don't want people go
in to my house.

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
That's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
So the city set it up, or like the province
like what is it like?

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Sounds like yeah, Newfoland has it unlocked and you go.

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
To I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
They they got things figured out out there.

Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
Yeah yeah, but I like that idea And actually I've
been going through that a lot because I I think
I told you both, have been clearing out my aunt's
you know, she's going into like a nursing homes. I've
been downsizing her place, and like, what do I do
with all of these? She has a lot of dresses
and persons and things. This would be the perfect thing.
I could just take those there. And actually I was

(01:31:24):
going to give a lot to Goodwill. But actually one
of the talkbacks believe or not, actually made me think
twice about it. Someone, I think we have that talkback.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Let's hear that one.

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
Okay, Oh sorry, I was distracted.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Do you want the other?

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
Yeah? That's it? Please? Thank you. Hi guys. In regards
to the buy nothing Facebook group topic, and Boddy, you
mentioned that you would prefer to donate it and give
it to Goodwill. Just a reminder Goodwill does charge people
to then.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Buy the things.

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
Yeah, and I and find on my buy nothing site.
In my community at least, there are plenty of people
that are definitely in need, and it's just easier for
them to get it off of there than having to
go shopping.

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
That's a good point something I never considered, right, So
you're donating something somebody who is in need has to buy.

Speaker 5 (01:32:17):
It has to go right. I don't even think about that.
I heard that this morning and then I was like,
you know what, I was going to go to Goodwill
and so I'm going a different route to take it.
So what do you do?

Speaker 8 (01:32:28):
So what do I do?

Speaker 7 (01:32:29):
What about those h you know when you see like
the big bins and like parking lots, Donald's or something.
That's what I do.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
It's a good will. It's often Salvation is it Salvation
Army or Will as well?

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
Mine is good Will. Yeah, the one that I go
to is Goodwill. I have to figure something out.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
But they are so I mean depending upon if you
have closed and we've mentioned this before, but it can
be sort of dressed for success type of charities. I'm
going to look at locally, like what I what I
have here in Las Angeles. Yeah, I try and keep
it local just for whatever reason.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
And there's one where it's it's a beautiful organization and
it's Escaping Harvest House, I want to say, but it's
a house where homeless, pregnant or pregnant women go or
and you can stay there for you know, a certain
amount of time while the babies growing up and have
care and also with clothing, you need to dress professionally

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and there's career help, so that's just given.

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
I'll look for something like that because I mean, I
definitely don't want to. I want to donate for good,
you know, for good good causes and stuff, and I
never considered that, Yeah, good will you have to pay.

Speaker 5 (01:33:39):
You have to pay, so yeah, but if you if
you find something, body send it my way because I will.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
I'll look for something locally. But yeah, I mean I
I donate to an organization here called safenst which helps women,
you know, with their children escape abusive relationships. But they
require and I understand why, but they require new items.
I can't donate. I can't donate you know, my clothes
to them, you know, so I'll have to find something.

(01:34:05):
I'll let you know what I find to.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
And by the way, this is and this is widespread.
Harvest House is an organization. Oh yeah, well listen, thank
you for being with us this evening, and keep a
listen because Sunday survivor Haley Robson is speaking out about
how she was pulled into Jeffrey Epstein's world and what
it took to escape. I have a beautiful weekend, everybody,

(01:34:30):
good night, nice,