Deaths of Rob and Michele Reiner, Verdict in the Brian Walshe Case, and New Epstein Files

A shocking Hollywood death places Rob Reiner’s family at the center of a criminal investigation. Plus, investigators work to piece together deadly mass shootings from Australia to a U.S. college campus, while newly released Epstein photos raise fresh questions ahead of a major federal deadline. Tune in for all the details.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. It's Monday, December fifteenth, and yes,
we have a stacked night of headlines. Legendary filmmaker Rob
Reiner and his beautiful photographer wife Michelle. We're found dead
inside their La home and now their son is officially
in custody and he's being held without bail at all.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
So more on that. Plus this is huge.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
The Brian Walsh accused wife killer verdict is officially in
So this is a tease. You got to stick with
us to hear what that verdict is. Plus those new
Epstein photos that were dumped last Friday, we're going to
examine them and sort of see what they glean and
what they don't glean, because we have four more days

(01:08):
until full transparency and we get all of those files released.
Plus major new developments and the mass shootings both at
Brown University so incredibly tragic. I don't even know where
to begin with this, and of course at Bondi Beach
in Sydney, Australia. Our hearts are so with everyone involved,

(01:29):
their families, their friends. This is traumatic on every level
for so many. And I know it seems so superficial
to say our hearts are with you. I don't know
what the better phrase is, but we are thinking about
you all day. It's devastating information. We are so sorry
to have to update you with information that is so

(01:51):
incredibly close to home. But here we are, and we're
so glad to be together tonight. So no matter where
you are in this world, it's money and we hope
you had a decent one. I know the holidays are
upon us, and whether you are feeling cheery or just
completely frazzled, we got you.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Welcome.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Pill up a chair at our proverbial kitchen table. Because body,
by the way, I'm Stephanie and I'm here with the
courtney and body, body, where do you want to begin?
Brian Walsh in the courtroom? Yeah, Brian, let's go to
a talk pack. Let's go to a talkback first.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, hey, guys, I'm really creeped out by this Brian
Walsh guy, and I can't think of any reason that
you would chop up a body after death unless you
cause the death, Like that's just not normal.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
And so as a juror, I don't know that I
could get past that. We don't have a cause of
death because he chopped up the body. And if you're
not trying to hide anything, why are you chopping it up?

Speaker 6 (02:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, at least let everybody know where the multiple body
parts had been held. But again, getting a guilty conviction
when there's not a body is very difficult, as our
very own body move in has shared along the way.
That was a good little pun there, it was, but
you know, talk so true to our talkbacks.

Speaker 7 (03:07):
She you know, she could have been on the jury
because they felt the same way. Brian Walsh has been
convicted of first degree murder in Massachusetts for killing his wife,
Anna Walsh, and now faces a mandatory life sentence without
the possibility of parole on a wal She was thirty
nine years old. She was a real estate executive and
mother of three.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
She was reported missing in early January twenty twenty three
after her now convicted husband, Brian Walsh said he left.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I'm sorry, said.

Speaker 7 (03:37):
She left her Massachusetts home for a work emergency in
Washington d C. Investigators later charged Brian Walsh with the murder,
alleging he killed, dismembered, and disposed of Anna Walsh's body.
So after deliberating for like four hours on Friday, right,
they deliberated for quite some time on Friday, we were
all kind of wringing our hands, going, oh, what's gonna happening.

(03:58):
It's going to happen. Yeah, liberated for two more hours
today this morning for you know, just a little while.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's like they kind of had their mind made up.
I think when they left Friday and just had basically
the paperwork to fill out, I think is what has
gone down. So Brian Walsh remained stoic as the guilty
verdict was read.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
But he kind of nodded a little bit.

Speaker 7 (04:19):
Like okay, you know, like mm hmm. Like it was
kind of strange. I mean, the camera was behind him,
but you could see his side profile a little bit
and he just kind of nodded. But he was pretty
stoic as the guilty verdict was read. Convicted killer Brian
Walsh sentencing has been scheduled for Wednesday, December seventeenth. They're
not messing around. I mean, this is like the speed. Yeah,

(04:41):
so he faces a mandatory life sentence in prison without
the possibility of parole. But people should know this in
the state of mass or like Commonwealth, I should say, Massachusetts,
first degree murder convictions are automatically appealed.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Did you know that. I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
No, because the one thing that was confusing to me,
like he obviously gave no defense. He the defense rested.
They brought no witnesses to the stand. Four hours, although
that does seem like many hours, right, not that many
in a big scheme of things. We've seen jurors deliberate
for days and days, even weeks, So four hours seemed

(05:19):
pretty shut and dry. However, they never brought in Karen
Reid's no investigator props, right, But it really landed, And
I wondered why, Because if I'm the defense and I
see that I'm losing, and I can't put my guy
on the stand because Brian's a wild card and he

(05:40):
has he represents terribly, as we've all considered, and you know,
their evidence is not fantastic by any means that you know,
there's nothing medically that they've proven or disproven. I would
have thought just to kind of be confusing. They would
have thrown something at it, such as you know, Brian
in Procter, the you know mess the investigator.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Michael Proctor or Michael.

Speaker 7 (06:06):
Or even like maybe an expert in this like sudden
death syndrome that they presented that you know, the defense
was saying that Anna died from this sudden death syndrome
which happens, or sudden adult death syndrome which happens. Apparently
maybe an expert in that. And you know, I don't know,
but they didn't. They didn't present anything, but you know,

(06:27):
it's crazy. And so in the Commonwealth in Massachusetts, there's
this automatic appeal to the Supreme Judicial Court, and this.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Appeal is broader than most appeals.

Speaker 7 (06:36):
Like normally you can only appeal and like on technical errors, right,
but in this the Commonwealth these the appeal is broader
and includes review, which lets the court look at fairness
not just technical errors. So listen, the door is wide open.
Two appeals in this case, which is kind of insane
to me.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Wow, but that's going to sure happen. Oh yeah, sure
gonna happen. This guy has no shame in his game.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
I agree.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
So the Norfolk County District attorney Michael Morrissey, who were
all very familiar with from the Karen retrial. His office
prosecuted this case and he told reporters outside the courthouse
that they have heard from Anna Walsh's sister who said
justice has been served, and District Attorney Morrisy said, we
agree hold hardily with her comments. The District Attorney Morrissey

(07:24):
commented the investigators in this case for the amount of
forensic evidence they collected, you know that he commended them
for all the forensic seddance that they were able to
connect because again there was nobody h so this was
like an incredibly hard, you know, case to prosecute. They
left no stone unturned. District Attorney morris He said they

(07:45):
went to dumpsters, to landfills, to dumps as well to
transfer stations, department stores, lumber stores, cvs just to gather
all this evidence, which was critical in this case. Let's
not lose sight of the fact that Anna's three young
children will be with us a mother and now sadly
they're also going to be without their father. Right that
I added that part of them about the father, But yeah,

(08:08):
I mean Brian Walsh's going to be in prison Obviously
he's not going to be able to take care of
those kids.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
And you know, one other question I had was that
he was already looking at a significant amount of jail
time due to his.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Fraudulent art deal the ardulance. So this is obviously a
tag on to that.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Right, So first degree murder, you're looking at a life
sentence more than likely, plus this art fraud, couple of
years for.

Speaker 7 (08:29):
That, plus dismembering her, he plus correct in lying to police.
So he's going he's going to be in prison for
a very, very very long time. I don't think he'll
get out, and you know, I don't think he'll.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
See the light of day or any of you surprised
that I am.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I'm a little surprised.

Speaker 7 (08:47):
I think I opined last night that it would be
second degree. I think Courtney was the only one that
predicted the outcome.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, I thought second degree for sure.

Speaker 7 (08:57):
I thought second degree. I thought without a body. I mean, listen,
I think the jury. I think everybody was pretty convinced
he killed her. I mean to our talk back, you
know their point. You know, she said, it's just it's
hard to you know, Cohen's collapse. You know, it's hard
to wreck, you know, reconcile that he dismembered her but
didn't kill her.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
That's very hard to reconcile, right, I.

Speaker 8 (09:18):
Think common sense prevailed, Yeah, and common sense everything that
the prosecution did put forth and the timeline and you know,
some really strong witnesses on the stand. This is true
crime tonight, and we're talking about the fact that Brian
Walsh has indeed been found guilty of first screen murder
in his wife, Anna Walsh's death. We'd love your opinion

(09:42):
on this verdict eighted a three to one crime or
hit us. On the talkbacks on the iHeart radio app,
you know, you guys were saying the you know, potentially,
why didn't they bring in they being the defense proctor
or a medical expert. And I think with the medical expert,
it just would have gone in an absolute circle because

(10:05):
you know, well, you can't prove it.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
To do you can't prove it the game of the
game circles.

Speaker 8 (10:09):
But the defense has already laid that out and since
the prosecution didn't touch it, like it was just left
all these questions. So I thought it was I thought
it was a smart move on the defense. I feel
like if the prosecution had pushed further on that it
might have made sense, but all it was was a
big open question. Even we were talking about it last night.
So I they lost obviously the defense, but I their

(10:35):
strategy makes sense to me.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
I don't know, right right, there's some scuttle but here
we go with the scuttle butt again that the appeal
is going to focus on the Brian Walsh's telephone or
I say telephone like I'm in the nineteen forties cell phone,
the cell phone and the searches that they did, you know,
to get all of his Google searches and the tablet

(10:59):
and whatnot. There's some scuttle butt that there could be
issues that they the search weren't was too broad for that.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
We'll see. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
I mean, obviously I have no idea, but it is
something I would like to talk to Jared Farantino about.
Of course, he's our favorite prosecutor and he knows the
law pretty well, especially in Commonwealth states rights. He's out
of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, but he has a really
good knowledge of the of trial law on one and
I'd like to talk to him about, you know, the
possibility of the appeal being focused around Brian Walsh's telephone, and.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Like that search history for example, all of the googling
that he was doing Brian Walsh, you know, essentially saying, Hi,
I killed my wife. Let me ask a thousand dumb questions?
Do you if you delete that? If he deleted those,
because you would think this guy had some brains in
his head that you would make all of these crazy searches, Hey,

(11:55):
what happens if my wife is dead?

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Can I still get her insurance?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know, things like that paraphrasing one was worse than
the next, though, right, he deletes those from his history?
Are they deleted or did he just they're not deleted?
It was like he just like left that all there
to be found.

Speaker 6 (12:15):
Well, I mean he probably did it in the morony
way of deleting it the way that I probably would
just delete it. But it really does still exist. I'll
let body speak to that.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, it still exists. It's definitely still exists. And remember
he also used his son's tablet to do some of
these searches, so yeah, he didn't. He's listen, he's not
the brightest crayon in the bunch. No, He's mean, he's
so mean. I mean, I don't know him personally, and
for some reason, the sight of him has gotten under

(12:46):
my skin.

Speaker 7 (12:46):
And I say that, so really no, And I've always
been the kind of person that's like, well, you can't
really tell somebody is a killer by looking at them right,
exactly exactly. For whatever reason, Brian Walsh has gotten to
me like every time I look at him, I'm like
creeped out. Like and I looked at the photos of
Brian and Anna together and by the way, she was beautiful, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
And I'm like, why was she with him? Because he
is like grease ball. He's a grease ball.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
He does sort of seem when you look at him,
I get a little seems like a con man.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
Yeah, you know, he's gonna he's gonna sell you some
crappy real estate or something like.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
That's yeah, you call that twice upset.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Why those guys get the best girls sometimes, because again
they're great snow jobs, you know, they go on their
way into seeming like the perfect guy until they don't
have to try her so hard anymore, and then the
mask is off.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
I also want to ask Jarrett why so during the
trial they showed Anna they wanted to show like a
specific coat she was wearing. The state did or the
Commonwealth did, and when they showed this Photoa's face.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
Was blurred out.

Speaker 7 (14:03):
And it's something that the judge said was acceptable, and
it was something the defense asked. The defense asked her
face to be blurred out. And I can't, I just
for whatever reason, can't let go of that, Like, don't
you think the jury should see her face?

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I'm sure at some point they did. Oh I know,
I'm sure they did. But why this specific particular picture.
It's just a picture of her and a coat, the
brown coat, I know, the photo.

Speaker 7 (14:30):
Right, it's like a puffy like one of those puffer coats,
you know, and her face is completely blurred out, And
of course, you know, I was like, I gotta figure
out why. So I went and was reading some things
and some people they were asking the same question, right,
like why did they blurre her face out? And somebody
answered it was really interesting. They said this because she
was using a filter and that's not her accurate representation.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Can you believe that?

Speaker 7 (14:56):
I gotta ask Jarrett. I gotta ask Jarrett, like a
good question. Could you think of any other reason? Because
I don't remember them talking. I listened to the trial
every day, and I couldn't remember them discussing this. And
then all of a sudden, I looked up and I
seen it, and I was like, what is this? You know,
because you know, I'm working on other things and I'm doing,
you know, putting around, and I was like, what is this?

Speaker 3 (15:18):
What's going on? And her face was blurred out, I assumed,
which is completely wrong.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
But my assumption was that they had blurred her face
because she was so adorable and likable and young, and
that may be very moving for the jury to see
this woman alive, you know, and they maybe wanted to
have her remain faceless, but I can't imagine that.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Lock them up and throw away the key is what
I say. Throw away the key, I say, absolutely, But
stick around.

Speaker 8 (15:46):
We have updates on Rob Ryner and his wife, who
very sadly were found dead in their Los Angeles home.
Their son is in custody. That more True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with
Courtney Armstrong.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Body move in.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
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Speaker 3 (16:41):
We love that also. So this has been a.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Heavy day, right, we're on the heels of a heavy weekend,
a heavy day. By the way, you guys were wonderful
last night.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I missed you both.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
I missed all of you, I should say, yes, literally
all of you. So yeah, and it was a tough night,
and it was a tough day. I'm sure all of
us are feeling it. The news about Rob Reiner and
his beloved wife of so many years. You know, he
had a previous marriage, we'll remember to Penny Marshall from
Leverne and Shirley. They had a daughter together, then he met,

(17:16):
of course Michelle, and they had three more children together.
One of those sons obviously now at the center of
the crime, and it appears that he stabbed them to
death and allegedly almost decapitated them. So that information is
still kind of dripping in and it's so shocking to

(17:39):
the Brentwood, California neighborhood. Obviously, Rob Reiner, if you don't
know him well, when Harry met Sally stand by me
of course, a few good men. I mean, these are
some of the most iconic, most Princess Bride, Oh I
loved Princess Bride, spin spinal tap, So you know, these

(18:00):
two were really iconic in Hollywood. And father and son
accused killer son or soon to be accused killer son Nick.
They did a movie together called Being Charlie, which basically
chronicled in some slightly autobiographical way. Yeah, his son Nick's

(18:21):
experience in and out of rehab and with drug addiction,
et cetera. So talk about a miserable, unhappy ending to
such an iconic marriage.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, so sad. Really, we were shocked last night when
when it broke. We were like, A, well, I think
everyone was.

Speaker 8 (18:38):
I mean, Stephanie, you just mentioned, you know some some
of the movies he's directed, and I think really he's
helped shape more.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Than a generation.

Speaker 8 (18:50):
Literally that night before the news broke, Taha had made
a reference to the movie Misery, which he direct Misery
like it's just so he's so in thegeist that yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
No, we all of us have been shaped by his work.
And again, from what we're told by so many, the
tributes are pouring in that they were such a beloved
couple and they were cared for and cared about and
had been married for thirty plus years, and they have
a son that was clearly struggling.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
And I don't know, well, the this is real vicious,
right it is. I'll wait.

Speaker 8 (19:28):
Yeah, so more of the details. Stephanie just laid out,
you know, the matrix of it. But indeed, director Rob
Reiner and his wife, producer Michelle Singer Reiner were found
dead in their Brentwood home. This was just yesterday and
their twenty eight year old daughter Rommy Rayner discovered the bodies.

(19:52):
And again, their son, Nick Rayner, is thirty two years
old and has been arrested and he is being held
without bail. Police stated it was it seemed pretty strongly
to all of us. Police stated that the sun Nick
is quote responsible for the deaths of his parents, and
the case will be presented to the La County District

(20:14):
Attorney's office for consideration of charges tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
It'll be a big day, we'll see. It will absolutely
be a big day.

Speaker 8 (20:23):
So the police were called at three point thirty to
the home of Rob and his wife, Michelle Reiner, and
although an official cause of death hasn't been released, some
sources have reported that their throats were cut, and also,
as Stephanie said, even beyond that that it might have

(20:44):
you know, been really an intense incident.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
And remember, you know, murder with a knife. I mean
we know this, We've studied this, We've talked about this enough,
certainly on this show as well, for all you true crimers.
That's an act of typically of passion. Murder by knife
is rare. It's usually not the thing, right, if you're

(21:09):
looking to simply have somebody not be alive any longer,
there are probably more efficient, less disgusting personal ways. This
was an overkill and really a passionate potential overkill. Yeah,
and we had heard there had been an argument the
night before at Conan O'Brien's house where they had been

(21:29):
having a holiday party, and some sort of confrontation.

Speaker 8 (21:34):
Broke out loud and frenzied is what was being reported.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
I guess the mom, the wife one of the victims, Michelle,
I think, is that right?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yep?

Speaker 7 (21:47):
She was, you know, talking to friends too, saying that,
you know, they were kind of at their wits end
with their son Nick, and he had been experiencing a
lot of mental problems and you know, drug rehab in
and out, and they were kind of a or wits end.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
And this caused some kind.

Speaker 7 (22:02):
Of argument that a lot of people witnessed and talked
about the night before, right.

Speaker 8 (22:08):
And this information just came out about a half an
hour ago. TMZ is reporting that the sun Nick, the
alleged murderer, his hotel room was full of blood. Oh
after the incident. Again, Nick Rayner is under arrest. But
he did check into a Santa Monica hotel early Sunday morning,

(22:32):
very early in the morning, So this would have been
after the Saturday party that you guys referencedar ConA O'Brien's
where there's an incendiary incident. So four am Sunday he
checks in using his credit card and then eyewitnesses said
at that time there was no visible signs of blood
in that moment, but he seemed quote tweaked out. However,

(22:57):
when staff came into Nick Rayner's room. Later Sunday morning,
they allegedly found a shower full of blood, blood on
the bed, and the windows in the room had been
covered by bed sheets.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 8 (23:11):
Ultimately, Nick Rayner was trapped down and the rested about
twenty miles away in a place called Exposition Park, which
is near downtown Los Angeles, also.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Kind of a random location to go to from Santa Monica.
So this is somebody who was either looking to get
a fix and looking to find some drugs downtown. Like
what you would need to do after you start to
realize you're coming off of something and you murdered your parents,
you know. Patricide is what that's called, and we've discussed

(23:41):
it here many times. It's also very rare. Obviously, the
Menendez brothers being the main go to. We've had several
other cases that we've even covered in the last few
months where the young Patrick girl, what was her name,
I'm spacing on her name, oh, Sarah, Sarah Grace.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
So again, these are rarities, rarities to.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Murder at that level with a knife, let alone, to
people that would imply that one of the parents had
to have witnessed the other's death and can you imagine
and can you imagine being romy the sister who's twenty
eight years old. You know, the timeline that I've been
told is like at two pm there was a messuse

(24:26):
that showed up on Sunday and they rang the bell,
rang the bell, They didn't hear anything. And then an
hour and a half or so later, the daughter who
lives across the street roamy. She might either be on
the property across the street or literally across the street.
And it sounds like Nick the either addicted to drugs

(24:46):
or formally addicted to drugs son who they obviously have
had a lot of problems with. He'd been in and
out of rehab what seventeen.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Times by the time he was nineteen. Wow, yeah, try everything.
They said.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
All the money in the world, right there's on things
that you know, money can't buy. And he was living
on their property. He was living with mom and dad,
so they had taken him in. And what little we
can see, there's not a ton on Nick and his
background per se outside of this movie, but it seems

(25:18):
like it's pretty clean on the internet right now. In
terms of getting more information about his early days, there
doesn't seem to be too too much being released right now.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
It was interesting.

Speaker 8 (25:28):
I was watching an interview between Rob Reiner and his son,
you know, who has killed his father and mother about
the process of making the film Being Charlie that you referenced,
and the son Nick wrote it and then his dad
directed it, and it was just about how they connected.

(25:50):
And you know, things had been really contentious with as
you mentioned, on and off of drugs, in and out
of rehabs, in and out of homelessness for some long, skin,
long stints. And what Rob Reiner said was he had
spent in retrospect. He felt like he had spent too
much time listening to people who had a desk in
a diploma, then his own son. And he said, you know,

(26:14):
and I was being told to, you know, not roll
with an iron fist, but you had to stay tough.
And he said, O love, It's not my nature, is
what he said. But I was being told again and
again it was were the days of tough love. And
it was just interesting to see this father and son
talk about their dynamic and working together.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
It's a really tough call too, because again, tough love
is what that's considered, right, And that was sort of
the Handbook when it came to drug addiction, Oh well,
until somebody hits rock bottom, even if that means they
were sleeping on the street and you live in a mansion,
then that's what has to be done so that they'll
toughen up.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Well, that's what they still teach Allan on, Yeah, they do.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
I mean one could also argue, like, maybe you're self medicating,
because I have to assume, and again I am not
a commist, and I have not read this that either
there's or he's had a psychotic break. You know, there
is like some serious self met illness that you're maybe
self medicating because.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Of the mental illness.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I don't think you can kill your parents without having
some real psychological issues. And maybe that was already there
and the drugs were his way of coping. You know,
sometimes the drugs are just what keeps a person alive, frankly,
because there's a there's an underlying root issue that needs
to be addressed.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Sometimes that's trauma, sometimes that's abuse. It sounds like in
this case they were very hands on but chose a
much more strict path when it came to addiction, and
it is brutal, it's so hard. It's so hard to
love somebody who's going through it.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
It just is. And I certainly don't have the answers, but.

Speaker 7 (27:56):
Well, I mean, you know, this is all anecdotal, but
you know, my brother is an alcoholic and my mom
babied him his whole life and it wasn't until she died,
and basically I could, I kind of came in charge
that you know, he got help and I went to
alan On And one of the things they tell you
is the rock bottom thing, and that's the only thing

(28:18):
that worked. It's the only thing. But everyone's different, you
know what I mean. And by the way, my brother's
doing great. He's phenomenal. I'm so proud of him.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
He's been now love him. He's great.

Speaker 7 (28:30):
But you know, I mean, that's one of the things
they teach you is you know, you have to stop
rescuing them. Hard to do because it goes against your instinct.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
It's the most difficult thing I've ever done.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Have you guys ever seen the movie Beautiful Boy with
Timothy shallow May and I want to with Steve correct
In this movie, it's it's a tear jerker. If you're
looking for a good crier, this is the movie to
you know, tune into. But it is I think, such
a beautiful example of addiction. And so the acting is sensational.

(29:05):
Steve Carell plays really against type. He's the dad of
Timothy Shallomet who's struggling with addiction. Who's you know, a
tremendous actor in this worth a look. It kind of
definitely got stuck in my DNA.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
It's heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
But you know, yeah, when you're in a relationship with
somebody who's on drugs, there's a third person in the relationship, right,
there's a third thing in that relationship that is a
tricky It's a tricky thing to navigate, it is.

Speaker 7 (29:32):
And I don't know the right answers, and I don't
know what works for one works for all. I don't
think there's one type solution, right. But I'm sure that
you know, the Rhiners tried everything. I mean, they had
a lot of wealth and you know things at their
disposal that many people don't.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I'm sure they tried everything they could. I'm sure they
loved their son very.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Much, of course, you know, of course, it's funny you
look at the photographs of them as a family, and
I've gone down the rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
I'm a you know, really have been done on that surprise.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
I just can't stop looking for photos, you know, and
he always does look like again, these are cherry picked photos.
We're not seeing the totality of them. But in some
cases he looks, you know, healthy, and then if you
look at him probably more real time, he kind of
seems slightly unrecognizable and he.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Looks a little like he's a little off in some
of these photos.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Romy the daughter, who's twenty eight years old, had just
recently posted over around the twenty ninth or so of November,
kind of you know, post Thanksgiving holiday, that she had
been on with her parents and they were in the
water and everything seemed beautiful and wonderful and like the
happiest of days. And here you are, just weeks later

(30:45):
walking into find your parents not only murdered, but murdered
by your brother.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
You know, it's one of those things allegedly allegedly, although
the alleged thing isn't so much. They're squarely saying he
did it, I know, even though there haven't been formal
charges yet. And don't forget, he was initially giving a
four million dollar bond for bail four million was the
original posting, and then they withdrew that right, so they must.

(31:10):
I don't know what goes on behind the scenes there,
but it has been a little quiet. It's two things. One,
remember it's Rob Reiner. He has very influential friends. He
was so beloved. He was an iconic part of Hollywood.
So I'm sure they want to have it handled as
cleanly and neatly within the NYPD blue system.

Speaker 6 (31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Oh, I had a cute story that I had heard
about when Sary Harry met Sally too.

Speaker 7 (31:33):
Forget it, we can. We can get to that, but
later maybe we'll get to that. And from Bondi Beach
in Australia to Brown University classroom investigators search for answers
after a deadly shooting.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
You know what, I'm feeling a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Just being here with you guys today kind of tweaked
me up a little bit. I just felt like the
world seems intense. It's it's a tough time for so many,
especially on the eve of the holidays, and happy Hanukkah
to all who were celebrating this evening night two And
you know, it's just such a jarring thing.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I think we're.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Already a little a little anxious during these frenzied times,
and now adds so much sorrow.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
So Baddi.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
You had a little bit of a more of an
update from the Rob Reiner like kind of the fight
at the ConA O'Brien house.

Speaker 7 (32:20):
I mean, yeah, I mean details are still details are
still kind of like coming out, you know, but some
of the ones that have come out, as I think,
People magazine reported that at the party at the ConA
O'Brien house on that Saturday night, he was the nix,
the son the accused in this of murdering his parents,

(32:40):
was kind of acting crazy and he was like going
around to people going are you famous?

Speaker 3 (32:44):
What about you? Are you famous?

Speaker 7 (32:46):
And you know, he was kind of embarrassing his parents
a little bit right right, being inappropriate, and so that's
when they were like, listen, we're trying to get them help.
Nothing's working, and it caused that's what caused this big fight.
And it was such a big deal, this fight that
the Rhiners left the party.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, mom and dad dipped. They've basically that's my understanding.

Speaker 8 (33:09):
And if you are just joining us, we're talking of
course about legendary Hollywood director Rob Reiner and his wife,
producer Michelle Reiner, who were found stabbed to death in
their Brentwood, Los Angeles home, and their thirty two year
old son, Nick, who were speaking about, has been arrested
and is being held without bail. And was the one
causing a scene at tea party with a lot of people. Yeah,

(33:33):
and it just seemed like he that Nick, the son.
Also he had come in. It was sort of a
dress up affair, and he came in in a sweatshirt
like very yeah, quite schlubby. And then the same when
people were saying tweaky was a word I was hearing, Yeah,
And the same was said when the son Nick checked

(33:55):
into a hotel room in Santa Monica, oh hours after
hours after the party and the fight. The or the
argument rather was that he looked tweaked when he came in,
is what people reported.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
So it's the assertion that they had the party, they
were at the party, then mom and dad leave, and
then the sun eventually goes somewhere and checks into a hotel.
And because the front desk people did not see him
covered in blood, which you would have to assume he would.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Have been covered in blood at this point.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
If you know, if what we're reading about the lacerations
that mister and missus Reiner had, if that in fact
is accurate, then there would have been a lot of blood.
So he checks into this hotel without blood, just kind
of tweaky, and then hours later later in that following morning,

(34:51):
when the housekeeper comes to his hotel room, she then
finds it covered in blood or blood in the shower,
blood on the bed, and the windows are covered, windows
are covered.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I think is interesting? Is that meaning that.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
He left the hotel, killed them, and then came back
and somehow snuck in a back entrance or what have you,
while he was in fact probably covered in blood. We
can get a little technical about this stuff too.

Speaker 7 (35:15):
So check in for hotels is usually later afternoon, and
they usually housekeeping goes to these rooms before check in, right,
so they would have had found this blood or whatnot.
If that's if that's what happened before three o'clock, right,
so before the parents were discovered.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Before the parents were discovered, But that would have just
meant that Nick checked into the hotel at four thirty
in the morning and then left it again to commit
the murders, or he was coming back from committing them.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
It sounds like he let he checked in before and
then left and came back.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
And then he went to probably score some drugs, sat
down at Exposition Park, and you know, it's kind of
a chilling detail. I don't know why it's sticking with me,
the fact that he had white she it's covering the windows.
That's annoy right, crashing, Yeah, it's a really it's.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
I can't I can't handle it. This is excuse me.

Speaker 8 (36:13):
Is tweaking specifically, I mean that could be any drug, right,
or is it generally meth?

Speaker 3 (36:17):
It's generally meth or like that.

Speaker 7 (36:22):
You know, I'm not really up to speed on the
druggling though, I'm not one hundred percent sure. But back
in the day, how do we call the tweakers the methods?

Speaker 6 (36:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Typically what that means my understanding is that if it's
meth or crack, cocaine, something to that extent, and you're
you're wired, right, so you're up for days at a time,
and that too can lend to you know, seeing things
that aren't there, having hallucinations, rage, right, exhaustion from the
human body. Eventually it starts to tweak, so things start

(36:53):
going sideways. So in this case, you know from what
we've read. Again, these details are coming in slowly, but
it seems as though that party he probably showed up
at already a bit lit and already a little out
of sorts, and showed up not in his Sunday finest
or his holiday best, and then was kind of you

(37:14):
know that guy at the party. We've all been to
a party where that guy exists and asking famous people
if they're famous. It's like, the last thing you want
to do at a celebrity party is asking with there famous, Right,
It's embarrassing, right, So hereuse now Mom and dad are like, hey,
cool it, take it down a notch. He gets a
little bit more riled up. Mom and Dad excuse themselves,

(37:36):
go home. Then he leaves, eventually gets to that hotel
in Santa Monica, which is also not exactly around the corner.
I know that hotel, but nonetheless, and then maybe he
leaves the hotel then goes to mom and dad's house,
maybe to get some stuff because he was living there
or takes their lives.

Speaker 7 (37:58):
Maybe he goes there to pick up some stuff, and
the confrontation continued. The argument, argument continues, or erects so sad.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
So now we're in the wee morning hours, and you know,
when he leaves Mom and Dad goes back to the hotel,
cleans himself up, covers up the windows. He knows the
world is crashing in, I would imagine, and how fast
can I get more drugs to keep to keep my
mind away?

Speaker 7 (38:27):
Well, and he might even be thinking, this is my
last opportunity to get the score, you know a lot
of the time.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Right, That's exactly right. And let's be honest, can you
imagine being him right now? Eventually this is a really
bad draw The withdrawals must be insane in the jail
because he can, oh, yeah, that you can die.

Speaker 8 (38:53):
Depending upon what you what you're depending on what you're
all right.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
It's actually one of the most dangerous things I'm thinking
of my brother. So I just, you know, automatically go to,
oh you can die.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
You know, alcohol is absolutely one of the most what
I'm understanding, And again Stephanie said a lot of it
as unfolding, but it seems like a combo that Nick
Rainer was on was heroin and other opiates.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Oh, you don't usually tweak when you're doing those things. Well,
tweet could just.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Be a word that it could just be what those
I say, like, oh I partied all night. I don't
mean I was out doing drugs all night. You know,
that's just like I say this all the time. I'm like,
oh yeah, I party like a rock star. Everybody must
think I'm like out doing hardware.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Oh right, I'm like, I promise that's that interesting.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
But that's just like the lingo if I, you know,
as a non drug user, if I'm like that person's tweaking,
I'm just like, they just look like they're high as
a kiter.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
They're really on trice.

Speaker 6 (39:51):
And this is based on someone at the front desk
describing it, so he could have just been super exactly right,
any kind of you know what they define as tweaky
or if you will, but wow, the whole thing is
go ahead.

Speaker 8 (40:02):
And what I'm seeing now is that Nick Rayner is
being held in administrative segregation and on suicide watch while
behind bars. He's at the Twin Towers Correctional Facility in
Los Angeles.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
And it's also my understandation if it is heroin, and
I don't know that it is, but if it is,
then I don't think he'll have any medical detos. I
don't think they provide that in jail for heroin, for opiates.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Either And listen, either way, you're coming off of anything
at that point, you know, it's still a pretty rough Ooh,
it's for rebirth to the real world. Right, So now, hey,
welcome to prison or jail where you're now shackled. There
is no bail, And let's just go there for a
second and make the assumption the prayer that he was
so high on drugs and had some sort of a

(40:50):
psychotic break. You would assume that has to be the
case for someone to be able to even commit a
crime like this that now it's Can you imagine how
the drugs are wearing off in the realization that you
killed your parents, you committed patricide of the beloved.

Speaker 8 (41:10):
Oh, it's too terrible. Well, listen, this is true crime tonight.
We are on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney here with Stephanie Leidecker
and body move in and we are talking about what
everyone seems to be talking about, which is the fact
that legendary Hollywood director Rob Reiner and his wife, producer
Michelle Reiner, have been found dead, stabbed to death. In

(41:33):
their Bretwood home. Their thirty two year old son Nick
has been arrested and held without bail. And we'd love
for you to weigh in. So you know, as I mentioned,
everyone has been talking about this, including President Trump on
social media. Was among one of many people to weigh in,

(41:54):
and what President Trump had to say was quote, A
very sad thing happened last night Hollywood. Rob Reiner, tortured
and struggling but once very talented movie director and comedy star,
has passed away together with his wife Michelle, reportedly due
to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding
an incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as

(42:18):
Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as TDS. Again, we
are just we found it newsworthy since the President of
our United States posted this on truth social.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
There's no words to describe what that must be like
for family members to read from the President of the
United States when you're so he's when you're grieving and
dealing with something. So what, Yeah, we are better than this.

(42:53):
Everybody together, regardless of politics, I think we could all
agree that we are.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Better than this. We are better than this. We were
raised better and it's so upsetting.

Speaker 8 (43:05):
It's so upsetting, and just the twenty please soon say again, somebody,
twenty fifth amendment, the twenty fifth Amendment. Like enough, this
is insane.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
It's really like shocking. I'm I'm embarrassed. I mean, i
I'm embarrassed. There.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
These are difficult times for so many Why are we
piling on human Yeah, just as people, and he has
to get digs into the once talented, you know, like, oh.

Speaker 8 (43:36):
God, well and other people. So many people are speaking out,
you know, in these really just hours. It's not even
days since Rob Briiner and his wife Michelle have passed,
and in addition to being a beloved director, there has
been an out pouring of love for the family and

(43:57):
just saying how much Rob Briner helped, you.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Know, shaped actors that he worked with.

Speaker 8 (44:03):
And also he was in his own right political in
terms of supporting many issues that were important to him.
But largely people are just tailing him as kind and
compassionate and that's what most of the chatter.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Oh my god, I know what else. He's Jewish? Right,
And it was honkah, Oh that's right.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
I didn't even think about that.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Oh, gosh, I'm sad.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
It's just so terrible for those being left behind, you know,
I mean his sister Romi, I mean.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
She's twenty eight years old.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
What a mess like now you get left with this
mess that every Hanukah you have to remember this vicious act.
And you know now they're going to be at a
funeral instead of being around the holiday table. You know,
so many people deal with so much loss. That would
be a beautiful time for somebody to tweet something on
X that's inspiring and supportive and loving and connecting. You know,

(44:58):
we all need to be more connected. That's not the
answer here. So I know what we were all saying
the same thing. And I know again not to make
this anything about politics. It couldn't be further from.

Speaker 7 (45:10):
Yeah, it's not political to be human, exactly correct. I
don't care if who's in office, Democrat, Republican. You got
to be human to be a human being.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
I heard a cute thing also just about Rob Reiner.
He had given an interview basically when he was working
on Harry met Sally. He himself was recently divorced and
was trying to start dating again, and all the foibles
that came with it. So Harry met Sally was a
little bit loosely based on his personal experience, and the
original ending was that they were not supposed to be together.

(45:43):
They weren't going to they weren't going to get together
because maybe love doesn't always work out, and that's like
the true lesson in this. And then on that set
he met Michelle, his photographer wife, and that's where they
met and as a result he realized that love really
does matter. And then they actually change the ending where

(46:03):
they got that famous line when Billy Crystal says to
Meg Ryan, when you when you meet.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
The love of your life, you I'm gonna get it wrong.
What is the quote?

Speaker 6 (46:14):
Quote?

Speaker 3 (46:14):
It's yeah, you want to start as soon.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Hold on, when you meet the love of your life,
you want to start the rest of your life as
soon as possible.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Yep. That's for decades.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
I did not know that.

Speaker 9 (46:27):
I didn't know that I have a dear Yeah, like
that was like my greatest life of all time, you know.
So I've personally got so much joy out of his
work and have been moved so deeply by the movies
he's made, and I think so many of us, you know,
raise your hand.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
If you know somebody in this.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
World that you love that has been deeply affected by addiction.
There's there there every race, every religion, every socioeconomic group.
I mean, honestly, they had obviously a fourteen million dollar home,
but still a handful of troubles, right, So we just
have to be a little kinder to each other.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
And I don't know. I love you guys so much,
love you too.

Speaker 8 (47:09):
You're unbelievably same same. Well, listen, keep it here. It's
tough days and we're going to be talking about details
emerging after the mass shootings at brown And in Sydney.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Keep it here to Pran tonight.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with
my two favorite ladies, Body Moving in Courtney Armstrong, and
of course we have Taha and Sam and Adam in
the control room.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Listen. If you've missed any of the.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
First hour of the show How Time Flies, don't worry
about it because you can always catch us right after
as a podcast, and of course, as always you can
always join us live eight eight eight to three. One
Crime Today has been a doozy of a day in
the land of true crime. We've talked a lot about
Robin Michelle Reiner and the terrible loss and the amount

(48:14):
of trouble that their son Nick is now about to
face tomorrow, so we'll obviously be continuing to follow that.
And then these shootings both at Brown and in Sydney, Australia.
I don't even know where to begin, but we definitely
want to make sure we're sharing the newest developments in
those cases as well.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
But first let's go to a talkback.

Speaker 10 (48:34):
HI Team Leir in Australia. Thank you for talking about
the shooting in Bondai that happened yesterday. Rattled pretty much
everyone here. It's not something that we see every day.
Just in terms I think of what you guys were
talking about. With gun laws, you either have to be
a member of a gun club or you have to
have a reason so farming permits, etc. Et cetera to

(48:55):
have a gun. So that's how he ended up with
a firearms. I think the response from our government at
this stage is that they'll actually be cracking down even
further on the permits that are handed out. So currently
you basically get a license to tim perpetuity, so they're
actually looking at reviewing licenses and looking at banning more weapons,

(49:16):
so increasing the current restrictions that we have, and I
think it's probably a popular, well supported measure.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Wow, Australia is amazing.

Speaker 7 (49:27):
And you know what's crazy about I mean not really crazy,
but I thought of our Australian listeners when this happened,
and so it's so crazy because we have a lot
of Australian listeners and you know, they call in quite
a bit, they're pretty active with us. And so my
first thoughts were my friends if from the Mole, who

(49:48):
were the producers, right, they're all Australian And I was like,
oh my god, they're all okay though, And then of
course our listeners who call in all the time, I'm
so glad that you called in.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Yeah, and sickening. It's so upsetting.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
It's so upsetting even just to watch the footage and
everyone's having a beautiful day at the.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Beach, celebrating their holiday in the.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Summer days, you know, and you know here we see
that same you know, people running for cover and it's
it's just too much.

Speaker 7 (50:18):
And seeing it happen in another country who normally doesn't
have this happen to them. It's almost like my heart
breaks because it's like, oh God, now they're experiencing what
we're experiencing. Because you don't want anybody to go through that,
you know what I mean, you don't want anybody. I
was watching as the shooters were on top of the bridge.
They're you know, shooting, and there were people running and

(50:42):
trying to hide, and I was just like, oh, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
It made me feel.

Speaker 7 (50:47):
Sheer terror because I watched the whole eleven minute video
and I was just it's.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
And you use the right words there, shear terror. That's
what it is, right and nobody's to have to face this. Well,
it's an act of terror.

Speaker 8 (51:00):
Zone. There is some more information. I'm just gonna state
it factually and we'll go through it. So there is
more information coming out about the victims and the perpetrators
of this tragic mass shooting incident. Of course, it took
place at Australia's Bondai Beach jeez, just yesterday, December fourteenth,

(51:24):
first day of Hanukkah. At least fifteen people were killed,
and that includes a ten year old girl named Matilda
Poltevchen excuse me, poll Tevchenko, Rabbi Eli Schlanger, and Holocaust
survivor Alex Kleiman. Now the attack occurred, yeah, oh yeah,

(51:46):
So this attack occurred again first night of Hanukah during
Hanukkah by the Sea Festival, which is an annual Jewish
celebration held at the beautiful Bondai Beach in Sydney, and again,
and this is being classified as a targeted terrorist attack.
About forty people have been hospitalized. Injuries still range from

(52:10):
critical to stable. The victims range in age from ten
to eighty seven. The perpetrators have since we spoke yesterday.
They have been identified as fifty year old Sahid Akram
and his twenty four year old son, Navid Akram now
the father the shooter. Sahid was killed by police at

(52:34):
the scene, and the twenty four year old son has
sustained critical injuries and has been hospitalized under police guard.
Many of us know of or have seen, the video
of a local man deemed a hero. He lives in Sydney.
He is a fruit stand odor. His name is Ahmed
al Ahmed, and he was again filmed tackling and disarming

(52:58):
one of the attackers preventing further casual tease. It was unbelievable.
And while he was disarming this one of the attackers,
it's unclear to me if it was the fifty year
old father of the twenty four year old son. I
didn't realize it.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
When we spoke yesterday, but he was while doing that,
he was shot twice by.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
The other oh either, So it was the father that
he tackled and the son was on the bridge, I think,
And it was the son.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
I think the son that so I didn't realize that.
We were kind of like maybe in the struggle. You know,
you've not seen that video.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I mean, this human I mean, it is so too
much that this man just like went straight into the
line of fire quite literally, to save so many lives.
Courage like that immediate instinct to do the right thing,
to be a hero, to help others.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
I think that it's more common than we think. But
and then he just pulled that gun out.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
He didn't know, like he like held that gun like
he was he was trained for this moment.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah, I mean he's literally he literally was a leg.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (54:11):
He swept the leg which is what threw him off
balance and got the gun from this perpetrator. It was
unbelievable wear it off even though he had been shot
twice in the legs.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
I mean like he really he was a hero, truly
is a hero. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (54:27):
A go Fundme campaign has been made to support this hero,
Ahmed Alahmed, as he recovers from the gunshot wounds, and
there has been over one point four Australian one point
four million Australian dollars.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
So that's.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
One point four million Australian dollars sion in the US
nine thousand.

Speaker 6 (54:57):
Wow, it's a million. But still that's credible.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
That's an incredible I want to donate. So exciting. I
didn't know they have to go fundy. I'm gonna definitely donate.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I'm going to donate for sure. That guy deserves it.
He deserves everything everything.

Speaker 8 (55:13):
So in terms of silver linings, there are that. There
is that another small silver lining. There was a three
year old girl, three toddler named g. G. Miller who
was separated from her parents during this attack. However, she
was shielded from gunfire by a woman who we know
only by her first name Jess just use her own

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body as a human shield. She has been hospitalized. The
adult Jess and but the three year old GG has
been safely reunited with.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Heroic Chess.

Speaker 8 (55:50):
To just, you know, take a toddler and use your
body as a shield.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Every single one of you, Courtney, Body, Taha, Adam and Sam.
I know you would do the same thing as I
help the little.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Three year old. Yes, of course, I've lived my life,
you know.

Speaker 8 (56:10):
Same and then yeah, and over forty one thousand Australians
are donating blood to help the cause. So I think
we leave it on these tiny, tiny bits of silver story.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
Yeah, I think that's wise.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
I think that that definitely helps.

Speaker 7 (56:30):
This is true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio, where we're talking
to crime all the time. I'm body moving and I'm
here with Stephanie and Courtney. We're right in the middle
of talking about the devastating shootings that have taken place
over the weekend. If you want to wait and give
us a call eight to eight thirty one Crime. So
I have an update in this Brown University shooting. So
authorities after we went off air last night, the authorities

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in Rhode Island had a press conference. The person of
interest that they had in custody, they released him.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
He's not the guy he's not the guy.

Speaker 7 (57:01):
So authorities are continuing the third day of their search
for the gunmen responsible for the mass shooting at Brown
University on December thirteenth, after releasing and clearing the man
that was previously detained as the person of interest. The
attack left two students dead, nine others injured, and has
prompted an ongoing multi agency investigation.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Wow, I mean, how about it.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
The student that survived Parkland also was you know, witness
to this mess as well. That's two active shootings in
their educational career, their young life.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
It's refine.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
There was a second person, there was a young woman
named Nia Trita Treda I think, but she was also
a part of the twenty nineteen Ticaga's High school shooting
mass shooting in California, So she was a student. So
both of them have survived, you know, two mass shootings
before they're even twenty one years old, which is incredible.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
I mean, can you no?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
And the video you see children and you know, and
you hear the gunshots in the background. They would skid
over that kind of stuff. They were so quanet. And
by the way, that was interesting, I thought, typically you've
heard in other scenarios that it was scattered and when
you hear gunshots, people are panicking and you know, trampling
over each other. Apparently this was silent. Everybody was moving inside.

Speaker 6 (58:22):
They've been trained, Yeah, I know they've pointed that out
last night. That thrown up their entire lives. Trained for
mass shootings and something I've never.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
You and I would be screaming like a lunatic. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah, you're throwing chairs at the windows and stuff, like
all kinds of crazy.

Speaker 8 (58:42):
Kids are doing these trainings as young as kindergarten, and
it's just fat American life.

Speaker 6 (58:48):
Hear that. But I guess it's a you know, you
have to do that to be prepared, but it just
seems so how do you even explain that to a kindergartener.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
I watched that video.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
One of the students that was hiding in the I
think it's a library, recorded a video and I sent
it to you guys.

Speaker 7 (59:05):
You sent it to us, and I watched it like
twenty thirty and I looked at the faces of every
single student and I was really just I was trying
to put myself in that position, and I just couldn't
that the composure that they had was just so remarkable,

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so remarkable, and I'm sorry that they have to have it.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
No, I mean.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Exactly like they should be out, you know, dancing on
tables and living their best lives at the end of
finals and getting excited about the holidays and getting off
of school finally for holiday break.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
That's what they should be doing.

Speaker 11 (59:44):
I know.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
So, and here we are in this house. So this
guy is still at last. Yeah, he's still at large.
The actual shooter, the real one responsible, is still at large.
They've released a video showing a person dressed entirely in black.
He looks kind of stocky, leaving the campus. Two students
were killed, sophomore Ella Cook and freshman Mcammad Aziz Merkrozov.

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The victim, Ella Cook had attended Brown since twenty twenty
four and was described as a bright light by her
church community. And victim Mcammad was a promising Uzip I'm sorry,
Uzbek American and he was studying to be a neurosurgeon. Now,
a neural This guy could have cured brain cancer. Yeah
for some you know what I mean, Like, yes, you know,

(01:00:32):
it's just horrible, horrible. Nine students were injured in this attack.
Six are in critical but stable condition. One remains critical,
two have been stabilized, and one has been discharged. Kendall Turner,
a Brown University freshman, remains in critical but stable condition.
Her parents, of course, have rushed to her bedside in Providence.

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The Providence Police are canvasing neighborhoods near the campus to
collect video footage and witness information. I mean, be a
ring doorbell with this guy's face on it, you know, well,
it's so surprising. I mean again, you know this is
it's a university. You would imagine that there are cameras
literally everywhere. Let alone, it's a city, you know, you know,

(01:01:13):
it's been alleged many times that is a city that
you can get a ticket in your mailbox any day
of the week because you ran through a stop sign
and there's cameras everywhere. So if there's cameras everywhere that
can catch the person rolling through the stop sign, how
is this person.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Still at large?

Speaker 8 (01:01:31):
Unfortunately, it seemed officials have in this very specific area,
officials have cited a lack of surveillance cameras inside the
building as a key obstacle to identifying the shooter.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yeah, it was an older building, so it hadn't really
been renovated and brought up with all of the proper cameras.
But tell that to every parent whose kid had to
just sit there in the library and all of these
horrible places, sheltering in place terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I don't know, we can do better. Yeah, we have
to do better, and we have to do better. I mean,
these are our kids, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I don't know a man that they're resilient and their
great minds are going to go on and make the
world a better place, no doubt. But it just makes
the holidays kind of a clunk, you know, like these
are supposed to be time celebrated. Oh the kid that
was wrongly identified by the way we went in taha,
that was smart. We went back after the show last

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night and just deleted that section from the podcast and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Bleeped his knee. Yeah, graduated. But it was everywhere this
guy's everywhere that that lawsuit is going to be massive.
They couldn't possibly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
First of all, why does he have everybody have so
many guns? They found him at this hotel room with
more guns.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
He had like two guns. I think it wasn't like
a lot of guns would be like traveling got even travels,
but now we need two guns everywhere we go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
But I but yeah, like this guy got put his
picture was everywhere and now they're like, sorry, wrong guy. Yeah,
that's also part of the deal, but also kind of
dangerous for him.

Speaker 8 (01:03:12):
Well keep it here because we've got the Epstein document dump.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
It's growing True Crime tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. Steph here with Courtney and Body.
We got a little emotional I thought we almost lost Courtney.
There emotional stuff to be talking about. So everybody's had
their teary moments, and now we just shook it off.
We're shaking it off and moving on to more terribly

(01:03:50):
terrible things. Four days left before the Epstein files are
officially released. On Buying Law Done, Dune, Dunney Armstrong, what
do you think is going to happen? Why don't you
fill us in on these dumps of photos that we
just recently have had access to.

Speaker 8 (01:04:08):
Yes, So on Friday, which last Friday was one week
before the deadline or early four days away, so a
bunch of photos were released or ninety new photos were
released by the House Oversight Committee and these came from
the Jeffrey Epstein estate. Jeffrey Ebston, of course, was a

(01:04:30):
convicted sex offender. He died by suicide back in twenty
nineteen while in prison awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges,
though we had been convicted on the state wide charges.
Congressional and legal investigations continue to examine Epstein's estate associations
with public figures and related documents. These include photos, emails,

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and other materials. Now, in these two batches of photos,
there's about ninety of them, and they are part of
more than ninety five thousand images.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
That have been obtained under subpoena. That's crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:05:12):
And in these images you can see Ebstein in private
settings including his bathtub, the estate room, and with personal
items including a dentist chair, a carved pumpkin labeled Trumpkin
novelty condoms featuring President Trump's face, as well as a

(01:05:33):
GX ninety nine massage therapy system.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
So we all have our items that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:38):
Are precious to each of us. And these are a
few in Epstein's world, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Like, none of the photos were that well, taking the
dentist chair or this in this most recent this one
from Friday, let's put the dentist chair on pause and
weird creepy masks. Let's put that aside, and now we
have some of the greats. Right So, But nobody that
we did didn't totally already know about Bill Clinton's in
these photographs. Obviously President Trump is photographed Steve Bannon. I'm

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not totally sure what the connection there is, but it
seems like he's about in and out with Epstein quite
a bit.

Speaker 8 (01:06:17):
Also, who else Bill Gates, Richard Branson who in America?

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Richard Branson broke my heart a little.

Speaker 8 (01:06:26):
But again, none of these are pictures I have been
in pictures with. You know, who knows just because you're
in the business, the trash that you're hanging around.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
With, like attracting, like a trouble.

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
But Attorney Alan Dershowitz, of course, Larry Summers.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
So yeah, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:06:49):
It's the people. No, I don't think any of these
shocked me. Allan Woody, Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
It surprised you. Why would that surprise? He married that.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
Part, It isn't a surprise, But I didn't know that
he was in that circle.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
He married, he married a little girl.

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
Yeah, yeah, I guess, I guess I shouldn't be a surprise.
I don't know yet, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
But again that seemed like they were on a set, right,
So to Courtney's point, you know, people take photographs.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
He was a very photographed man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Even Donald Trump said this that Epstein was, you know,
very popular in West Palm Beach and probably took photographs
with everybody. Okay, let's put that. Let's let's just go
with that for a second. Right, There weren't any like
huge shockers.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
At least. The glove was crazy. The glove is insane.
And then someone it's like a black rubberish glove, like
almost Latexi.

Speaker 7 (01:07:46):
Maybe it's a very shiny Okay, it's it's black, and
it's got like different ribs for each each appendage, each digit,
different different some textureatuses different textures.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Let's see, it's very freaky.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
And what do you think that would possibly be used for?
I can't something? Or is it possible that it seems
like there's experiments happening.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
This is gonna be like, does.

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
Does seem some kind of experiments going on? Because you
got that weird dentis chair and you had the medical
equipment by that bed from you know a couple of
years ago that we saw he got this crazy glove. Yeah,
I would say it's like a BDSM glove kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
But they also say that he was super into something
called transhumanism. That was his word, transhumanism. Epstein was like
a transhumanism with the sionado And I'm not entirely sure
what that means. It's like life longevity and like something
that would require experiments on human life. Again, this is

(01:08:57):
the scuttle, but so this is not what was an
the actual photographs, but this is the chatter. And then
probably the most alarming detail if you all haven't seen this,
there's a photograph of Epstein sitting behind his desk, and
at the desk talking with him, very happily is Steve
Bannon and they're engaged in some heavy conversation and they're

(01:09:20):
in what appears to be Epstein's office, and there's like,
you know, picture frames on his desk, and in one
of the picture frames it appears to be a redacted
face of a woman like on a couch, laying down on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
A couch, passed out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
She still thinks she would have a passed out woman
on his couch right in his look.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
I think she's just.

Speaker 7 (01:09:43):
A woman in the picture, like laying down, maybe posing,
you know, like this or something.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
I just think that would be crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Wait, so you think it was like Marilyn, like not
actually Carolyn an attractive woman? Yeah, like you know, like
a photograph something. It's like already had a passed out
woman in a picture frame on that desk, wouldn't you
be like, what the heck is going on? Why is
her face redacted? Maybe she's a victim, So there's a

(01:10:15):
photograph of a victim elegantly on a couch.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Maybe she's not passed out, maybe she's wide awake. Can
we just go with wide awake? But it is weird.
I'm not going to say it is.

Speaker 12 (01:10:25):
Weird itself is like looks very out of place too,
Like it's like a really big, like just kind of
like blue frame. So it seems like, I mean, this
is a weird observation. But it's like, maybe it's not
sitting on the desk all the time, Like it looks
out of place.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
And is it possible that it's not a picture frame,
like it's a monitor or something.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Is it possible that it's like a screen?

Speaker 7 (01:10:51):
I think a screen would photograph differently like normally when
you take a picture of a screen you can see.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
The lines in a you know you would know the
answer to it. I think it's like, what do you
think it looks like?

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
You think it looks like a photograph of a young
woman who's maybe alive. It's just like an artistic photo
that her face is redacted from.

Speaker 12 (01:11:11):
I think it looks it looks freaky to me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
I mean the position of the body and everything. I
don't know, it looks weird.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
It does like a strange thing to have on your desk, yes,
and my way, I don't know that I would have.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Noticed it had it not been redacted.

Speaker 6 (01:11:27):
Right, Oh, good point, yeah, because that makes you look like,
what is this? We have focus on it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Like I went every inch of the room. So strange,
of course you did, right, crazy? And then what's up
with the Steve Bannon of it all?

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Oh my gosh, he knows so much about him?

Speaker 8 (01:11:46):
Well, he was one of the you mean, like, what's
doing with Steve Bannon? I mean he was the biggest
advisor in Trump's first presidency, so and now he continues
to have a very very successful and influential podcast. I
mean he was the I mean people would argue, who

(01:12:07):
was the brains and momentum behind yeah, behind Donald Trump,
the president so powerful, making.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
To suggest with anybody's right mind that Steve Bannon and
Donald Trump did not know that sex trafficking was happening
or that there were people being victimized by Epstein at
this point, because is that the assertion that nobody just
knew about it. They were like, ooh, nothing to see here,
I didn't even know about it. But we're just going

(01:12:37):
to assume that they didn't know anything about it. I'm
not even saying they participated, but did they know about it?

Speaker 8 (01:12:46):
Well, we don't know when the So for example, if
if unless these are dated photos, if it's you know,
two thousand and eight onward, then it's completely public, like
everybody knows and he's he's an convicted sex vender, sex vender.
If it's before that, there's plausible deniability.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
We could probably if we if we wanted to, we
could probably date that photo of Bandon in the office
by looking at the kind of computer, the books that
are on the library shelves, you know, things like that,
because it looks like there's some books and stuff in
the background.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
We could probably figure it out. But we don't know
the dates of it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
Too old for meditating.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Woody Allen was looking pretty old in those photos, so
he wasn't looking young.

Speaker 13 (01:13:33):
He wasn't looking too good. Has never looked young to
me when he was young. Always, even when he was
in his thirties, he looks oldest. Heck to me, one
of the grossest.

Speaker 8 (01:13:44):
And maybe I shouldn't use that word, but it's Woody
Allan giving what I would just call a real like
knowing sly grin and nod to the uh put.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
The man formerly known as Prince Andrew. I've seen that one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
I have not seen that the man formerly known It's agree.
By the way, Andrew's the only one who's taken the hit.
It seems like everybody else is scooted by. If it
wasn't for Melinda Gates, you know, even Bill Gates would
be scooting by. She's the only one that's like yelling
from the rooftops that you know, he's a problem. He's

(01:14:21):
the problem. But you know, there doesn't seem to be
any real accountability. Not only were we told that there
was nothing to see there and there was nothing worth pursuing,
and therefore the files had nothing of consequence in them.
I would just have to assume that anybody who's in
these photographs to some degree, if it's after two thousand
and eight, had an awareness that there were crimes being

(01:14:42):
done to young women, or crimes to women period, young
or old. And to make the assertion that you had
no idea that that was happening just getting further and
further to believe, harder and harder to believe. I should
say so four days in counting ye glorify.

Speaker 8 (01:15:00):
Are people's publicly, I don't think they're saying anything. Are
all of these people saying I had no idea there
was any wrongdoing?

Speaker 6 (01:15:09):
I haven't heard anything.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Well, we've been hearing that from day one, you know,
not necessarily since Friday. I'm just saying since the beginning
of time. Even President Trump is saying, look, you know,
if this guy did bad things.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:15:20):
I don't know, like I barely know the guy. But
outside of President, like now, I'm running through my head.
Has Steve Bannon or Woody Ellen or any of these
people they've said, like I had no idea, I can't think.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Of I can't think of Steve Bannon, Bill Clinton, I
pretty assured has said, like you know anything.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Oh my gosh, I don't believe that for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I mean, just no version of this story that like
Bill Clinton's not somehow smack in the middle of it.
No matter who you think, everybody's version has Bill Clinton
in it.

Speaker 8 (01:15:54):
Every well, Bill Clinton and former First Lady Hillary Clinton.
They have stepped up their fight against the Republican investigation. Yeah,
so they're claiming the Clintons are to shelter themselves. I
think they're claiming that this has been weaponized. Clinton's have
been subpoenaed back in August by the Republican chairman of

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the Oversight Fitty Committee, and he's you know that it's
now threatening to begin contempt of Congress proceedings if they
fail to appear for questioning.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
The Clintons do not want to come in for questions.
I bet I would like them to unrelease the glove picture. Yeah,
they can.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
They just redact the whole thing because yeah, the file.
Can you see the photo back of a file.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Of the pump, the pump.

Speaker 7 (01:16:54):
There's a package on it like a desk, and it's
the pea pumps. Just say, the pea pump of a
woman's anatomy, A slurer for it, I guess, and like
cups and like these little chains like almost like very
bdsm which I'm not. I'm not king Shaman, you know

(01:17:16):
what I mean. I would never, but when you put
in the context of Jeffrey Epstein, I'm absolutely king shaman, right,
I'm more weirded out that he has a framed picture
of Bill Gates.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
On his wall.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Oh I know, like why Bill Clinton in the Monica
Lewinsky dress and absolutely, yeah, something weird stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:17:40):
Yeah, it's like very well, seeing the nipple clamps is
much less traumatizing to me than Jeffrey Epstein having a
picture of former President Bill Clinton wearing the Monica Lewinsky dress.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
I mean, like, have you guys not seen the movie
Link twice? You guys still have not seen Black twice?

Speaker 8 (01:17:57):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
That movie?

Speaker 6 (01:17:59):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Okay, you think me?

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
All right, So I got to put this on your
list and anyone listening if you haven't watched it yet.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
It's kind of a good movie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
And what is the director's name, the most daughter Zoe
Zoe Kravitz, so beautiful, So she directed it and her
boyfriend of Yesteryear stars in it. He plays sort of
an Epstein type and Channing Tatum exactly. This was like
the last big effort of those twosomes when they were

(01:18:31):
still dating and in love and based on it's allegedly
based on some stories that she's either personally experienced or
has heard firsthand, and Blink twice is definitely has some
undertones to what we're talking about right now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
A ton of that to my list. We'll stick around.
We've got more to dig into.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
It's talk back time and we have some fun ones
to get your week off to a good start.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Keep it right here at your Crime Tonight. Welcome back
to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
We're talking true crime all the time of staff.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
I'm here with Courtney and Body.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
These groups are making me giggle, so please forgive me.
But we are just giggling our way straight through that
commercial break. So we have some talk back, so hopefully
light in the mood a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Let's go to one right now.

Speaker 14 (01:19:29):
Everybody, it's just notant to thank you for mentioning about
the Bondai terrorism event that happened on Sunday our time.
It's such an iconic place. I've spent so much time
there over the years, so many innocent people out enjoying
the day and events, and it just really showed how

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fragile life can be.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
We must enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
It words all abas so true.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
You just don't know what's around the bend, right, So
you know whatever it is that you know, we all
complain about every day. You know, who doesn't you know,
the things that the traffic, or the coffees too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Cold, or or or the million of micro complaints that
we have just by being human. You know, you don't
realize that right around the corner could be something so devastating.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
So it's a good little gunt check, it is.

Speaker 7 (01:20:20):
And you know, I hate that the people of Australia
are having to deal, you know, to experience this exactly.
You know, you want everybody, especially your friends. You know,
Austria is our friend, and you know you want your
friends to be healthy, happy and healthy and you know, unbothered. Yeah,
and you know, Courtney, really, when you're telling the story

(01:20:41):
of what happened and you talked about the Holocaust survivor,
I really kind of gasped when that, you know, because
like here this person and I don't know this person,
but you know they survived Hitler. They survived Hitler.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
To be shot down at a beach like it's just
so senseless and just ridiculous, and think about how strong
you have to be to survive.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 8 (01:21:11):
And the man frame which I'd love to say Alexander Clateman.
So Alexander Klaytman. He and his wife were childhood Holocaust
survivors and Alexander came from to Australia from the Ukraine
and he died shielding his wife from the moment's bullets.

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And in his big life which ended so tragically, but
in his life that he apparently lived foe so fully.
He left behind his wife, two children, and eleven grandchildren.
Alexander Claytman. One other person I wanted to mention who
lost their life was Eli Schlanger. He was forty one

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years old and he was known as the Bondai Rabbi.
He was one of the key organizers Sunday's event. He
was head of a local mission and he.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Was a British born father.

Speaker 8 (01:22:08):
Of five who again was a lead organizer in this
really big, beautiful gathering.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
I have never met a cruel rabbi ever. Ever, They're
always so so kind, yeah, and like funny in my experience. Yeah,
I've never met a cool rabbi in my entire life.

Speaker 6 (01:22:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:22:31):
Wow, senseless, but it's I mean it's it's terrorism, and
it is senseless and it's terrorism. It's just a sad,
unconscionable waste of life. And it will be changing laws,
it seems like in Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
So thank you for the talkback and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
To what Australia is doing too, because again, I know
this is a very heated topic here in the US,
but let's pay close attention to the results because.

Speaker 7 (01:23:05):
But my understanding in Australia, they have a completely different
mindset though than Americans, Like they're supportive of these measures.
Like when they had this buy back thing where you
like basically sold your guns to the government and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
They would buy them back. It was very popular my understanding.
I could be wrong about that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
No, you're totally right.

Speaker 8 (01:23:23):
They melted down. I'm going to get all my facts
and figures, but it was a lot. Yeah, they melted
a lot of guns.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
They're very different like mindsets than than most of America
or the United States. I should say, not in America,
but yeah, interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Afraid of guns. I have I have sex. I Yeah,
it's not that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
I it's not that I'm going to be armed and
wouldn't be able to protect myself because that's the world
we live in.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
But at my core, that wouldn't be how I.

Speaker 7 (01:23:51):
Would build the world, right, No, of course, yeah, it
wouldn't be how I built the world either. I just
I have them because you know, we have to keep
safe and you have to. Yeah, I get I don't
like walk around with them or anything like that, but no,
I haven't been my home.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Yeah, I bet you're a good shot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
I am honest, I would, but I would not want
to crawl through your You do.

Speaker 7 (01:24:14):
I do because you know you have to, you know,
make sure that you can still be safe. And I
also don't know how to clean my guns, so I
take him there to do it for me, you know.
But yeah, I I go all that. Well, not often,
not as often as I should, but I go like
once or twice a month.

Speaker 6 (01:24:31):
I'm afraid of guns, but I have relatives that keep
saying you should at least learn how to use one.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Should learn how to use one safely.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
To you and I trying to do that jumping if
you and I had to get the gun out of.

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
That guy, the Caroulet. See, I wouldn't you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Would You would have swept the leg for sure, But like,
I don't know that I would have been smart enough
to grab the gun and square off that way.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
That was I don't And then he was getting shot at.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
Oh, and he was standing so strong.

Speaker 7 (01:25:03):
And Ess, I gotta know more about Jess saving that
three year old little bold.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
That's right, only in Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Well, we love you Australia, and thank you for listening,
and we're just terribly sorry that this has been such
a terrible weekend, just terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Yeah, terrible. Easier days ahead, hopefully.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
Hopefully, so we we got time for another Let's do it.

Speaker 11 (01:25:28):
Hi, this is short. I'm calling from Arizona. And you
guys had asked the questions in regards to you something Jake.
He said about all these people showing up for a
mass murderer, and you guys were postulating all what that
could potentially mean. And I think that maybe he was

(01:25:48):
talking about the victims the CEO. I think maybe he
was intimating that key, that's the thought. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
I brilliant, brilliant, very she is brilliant. So again, just
to play that out in case you couldn't hear that.
That sounded a little bit hard to hear, at least
for me, But I think I got it. When Luigi
was Luigi MANGIONI was in the McDonald's and being confronted
by police and putting, you know, being cuffed in this

(01:26:17):
infamous bag search, et cetera. At some point he kind
of mumbles under his breath, all this for a mass
murderer or you all came here for a mass murderer.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
And we were.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Confused by that because he didn't commit mass murder. He
committed a single murder of the CEO United Healthcare work allegedly, allegedly,
allegedly allegedly.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
However, that totally tracks.

Speaker 8 (01:26:42):
She's right, Yeah, Luigiman Gionnes mindset would have been referring
to the actual victim of this crime. I didn't even
on that, yeah, CEO of Thompson, because that they were
referring to him, the CEO as the mass.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
So smart, so clever, she's fai. Yeah, well, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
We got to throw some more clues her way.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Is this one phone number? That's why I love being
on this show.

Speaker 8 (01:27:15):
You you know, I get to surround myself by all
people who are smarter than myself.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Everyone I'm looking at now and then you know, it
brings it brings us all up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
I was like, there's no room that I'm the smartest
in certainly not this one.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
But I love to hear about it. Do we have
talks about it? Yeah, let's go. I know what, let's
do you guys. Sorry about the background noise right up front.
I am a truck driver, so just deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
But I'm stressing out because yesterday I received a jury
summons in the mail for March twenty third or something
like that, and I'm already like, oh my god.

Speaker 11 (01:27:55):
What if I get seated on a jury and I'm
not allowed to listen to True crime tonight?

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
Like however long I'm on the jury, Oh my god,
I'm going to be I stated. I'm like, I'm not
the Boston I knew she was from Boston. I was like,
what a great voice she Listen.

Speaker 7 (01:28:15):
I need to call in like every night because I
not get enough of that accent. It's so good and
truck it's very dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Listen, that's very hard work. Are like the blood of
these to deliver all of our needs.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
I don't think people realize and how difficult.

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
It's not just like to be how hard could it be?
It's very difficult. It's very taxing. It's hard on your body.
It's exhausting, and you have to stay awake and be
safe and those trucks are sometimes massive. And yeah, I
think you're gonna have to call in stick to jury
duty because we don't want to have you miss the show.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
And by that, Stephane Duty like said.

Speaker 7 (01:29:06):
She could just tell us what jury she's on talk
about it, but listen, if it's in Boston, we want
to cover it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
I mean, we totally want to cover it. I love
would you live in Boston? I would live in Boston
percent Yeah, I would live in.

Speaker 6 (01:29:26):
The US there. It seems like that first of U's
a great food scene, the people are so good.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
I'm irish we would. Yeah, Courtney, you would love it
in Boston, don't you think? No?

Speaker 8 (01:29:37):
And I say that, I say I would not love
to live there. And I say that having been there enough.
I've spent a lot of time to know it's just
not my city. I love to go there. I love
the people. I go there every.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Year just about to see you know, so what what? What?
What about it? Is it not your city? The cold weather.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Maybe it's not that against the filings basement, that Filing's
basement is so good.

Speaker 8 (01:30:04):
Oh no, it's it's just it's an intangible I don't know.
I just didn't feel like an exhale at home, like
oh okay, And even again, I have been there over many,
many many years, it's just not my city to live in.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
And when I go to Boston, I feel like it's
like a glove. It's like a glow of a Boston accent.
I'm like, we're the same.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
I like, I feel like I have to put my
fingers at my eyes and then back at you, kind
of like pulp fiction, because I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:30:35):
Like, oh, I hear you Boston Long Island accents. Think
they're so similar.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
There's so similar. Then too, they're different, but.

Speaker 6 (01:30:45):
There's something there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
I love when a town and I feel like Boston
is this way too. What you got something to say
about my town?

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
I love that. What you got some Courtney, i'ms wrong?
What do you got to say about my town? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:31:01):
I said some of the literal most fun nights of
my life in Boston, But.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
I think I would die in the cold.

Speaker 6 (01:31:08):
Unfortunately, there's yeah, like the winters in Boston. I don't
think I can.

Speaker 7 (01:31:12):
I grew up in Detroit, but I left and I
was like ten or eleven, so like, I'm just not
used to that. We like when I go home to Detroit.
Last time I was there. In fact, actually I went
to go see Red Wings game. I'm walking down the
street in beautifully renovated downtown Detroit. By the way, it's
it's so beautiful now, it's it's incredible. Anyway, I digress.

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I slipped because I wasn't wearing I was wearing like
stupid shoes, and I'm on the ice and I slipped
and I landed on my face. I got a huge
black eye, so I went to bed. I should have
gone to the hospital, because you should never go to
sleep after you know, you hit your head. And we
were I was traveling with my friend and we were
on the way back in the airplane and the stewardess

(01:31:57):
was looking at me, and I was like, because I
was with a guy, he's a friend of mine.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
And I was like, he hit me. Oh no, you
did not get She's probably like a manstory reporder. I mean,
I started laughing. I told her, I'm just kidding. I fell,
I mean, I busted my butt. I fell.

Speaker 7 (01:32:16):
But so I don't know if I can handle living
in the snow again because I'm so klutzy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
It's pretty cold here in Nashville right now too. It's
so cold.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
I'm not complaining, but it's really this is your first cold. Yeah,
I've been living your climate very long time.

Speaker 6 (01:32:30):
But it seems to thin when you move.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
It does. I got the heating blanket.

Speaker 6 (01:32:34):
Though, Oh did you get it?

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
And it totally does the tree, Oh my god, like
it was perfect timing. I'm like wrapped like a sausage
in my little heating blanket under my ten blankets with
the heat on.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
I don't know what I have moons on.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
There's been zero snow, but it was like two degrees
this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
Yeah, yeah, freezing, freezing freezing. No, that's literally freezing thirty
three degrees freezing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Two and there's no rain, so it was sunny, which
is lovely, but you know when you add the rain,
and that can happen in Boston too. But you know,
what I think about Boston is similar to here, if
you had slipped and hit your head. I feel like
a Bostonian would be like whoa, whoa, how can I
help and like carry you to the hospital. And that
would happen in Nashville too, that would happen in New
York City also, I believe definitely Nashville, they would like

(01:33:23):
to kick you up, throw you off over their shoulder,
and make sure you got to where you needed to
be a young lady. So I literally, on my face,
I got to send you guys the picture of the
black guy.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
It.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
I mean, it looked really cool for like a week
and a half, but then it turned like yellow grossy
my forefront. Bill. If you're listening, I'm so sorry I
did that to you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Yeah, you're going to get me thrown in jail.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Yeah, yes, as a.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Matter of fact, So tomorrow we're going to keep covering
some of this. I mean, I feel like the Rob
Reiner and Michelle Reiner story is still going to continue
well into tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
We'll have some more.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Details, particularly because I think Nick will be in the
courtroom tomorrow and likely officially officially charged with first degree murder.

Speaker 8 (01:34:12):
Right, and I think there is some renewed movement in
John Bennet Ramsey.

Speaker 6 (01:34:18):
Yeah that tomorrow, We're going to.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Do that tomorrow exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Okay, right, there's big information and we we have not
been talking about the piked In massacre, the Pike County murders,
but there's some developments in that one too, deserves a
proper unpacked, if not tomorrow, very soon.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Listen, great night, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
For the beautiful show. Listen, everybody, be kind, stay safe.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
We're crazy for you.