Diving into new Bryan Kohberger Documents and a Mysterious Montauk Death

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here, of course,
with true Crime Analyst.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Body move in, call us in.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Courtney Armstrong is out for the evening, So we are
gone wild.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yes, Fortney, we.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Miss you, and we know you'll be back very soon.
But in the meantime, guess what it is August eighteenth,
and we have a stacked knight of headlines. We're finally
going to get to that Montalk story. There's like this
mysterious death of a young woman who was found dead
on a yacht, and we talked about it a bit
last night, but tonight we're going to unpack. And then

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also this dump of files on the Brian Coburger case.
We're getting more and more information by the day. Body
has been going through it all day herself, myself included,
so we have lots to discuss there. And also this
I don't know how to say it, a threesome, A
threple allegedly this threesome love affair gone wrong. Apparently this

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body was found under a mattress of the couple that
they were having this threesome affair with for two years.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
So we have to.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Discuss the forensics on that one as well. So obviously
there's tons to unpack here. Listen, we want to hear
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And remember tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
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just started to dance. It's that time of the night,
so listen, start leaving them, start thinking of them.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
We want to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
So first I guess let's go to a talk back.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Hey Jess from Newfoudland, Canada, Again thy seconds is not
enough for a new Fie with an Irish accent wanted
to speak to that time you mentioned you wanted to
come visit Canada. Newfoundland would be a really good option.
There are lots of unsolved cases here that would definitely
help people here and it could be a work trip,
except not right now. Unfortunately we have wildfires, which is

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totally not the norm for here that are pretty scary.
But when that's all over, we'd love to have you here.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
I love me and Nufie. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I'm not gonna lie. Thank you for the invitation. We're
coming kind of Thelma and Louise. We're gonna throw Courtney
in ta in the back seat and boom we are on.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Stephanie and I will be holding hands, gripping yes, yeah,
tickets as we speak. Let's go to Canada.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Did I hear a work trip? I mean, come on,
thanks listen my heart.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Nufie's great and we would fit right in there. You know,
that's like where my family immigrated to. They went to
Longland from Ireland and it's a very Irish place.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
This is not I did it, you know, given we
all have some Irish blood in us. It seems like
very appropriate for us to go big or go home
and listen to the fires. We hope you stay safe
out there first and foremost obviously, and yeah, let us
know when it's safe to come, and we will be.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
There with time. Let's go in the winter when it's
nice and cold. That's so nice without me what about that?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Oh shoot, just you know, to the winter trip.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
I'm all for it. Let's do it. Let's do it,
and bring us your cases, Let's dig into them, let's
and you know, bring a mind ready to deep dive.
Because I am not pussy footing around like let's let's go. No,
you are not.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
You are not postly footing around. You know famous last words. Listen,
you bring up you know, Ireland and all of our
Irish heritage. It also remembinds me of a case that's
you know, kind of uncovering real time right now in
Montalk Long Island.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Have you heard of that? This case a little bit
last night we talked about it for a brief moment,
but I don't really know a lot about it. I'm
dying to no.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Extremely mysterious. We keep kind of teasing it. I'm from
the area, not too far from the area. Mon Talk
is this beautiful place on Long Island, New York. If
you've never been, it's just it's so beautiful. I grew up,
you know, probably have forty five minutes from there, in
a place called Lake Ronkonkoma.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
So where we're.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Talking about is really what we see. What's a Lake Ronkonkoma,
Lake Gronkonkoma Island. Huh okay, I say a loud say
clear Lake Ronkonkoma, Long Island. It's the last stop on
the Long Island Railroad. And shout out to say. Trum
High School a great place to grow up. And in
this summers when we wanted to, you know, hobnob with

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the big leagues, you would go to the Hampton's or
you would go to Montauk, which is this really ritzy
place for kind of like New York social lights to
go to. It's about three and a half hours maybe
ten hours depend upon traffic to get there, and you know,
it's for fancy people in the summer. And I used
to go camping there at a place called Heather Hills.

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And anyway, I digress. So there's all these yachts and
there's this yacht club, very beautiful, very famous, and suddenly
this girl who's thirty three, completely healthy. She's from Ireland,
had moved to New York City. She's a swimsuit designer,
has her own swimsuit line, East by East. She was
out there for a business meeting. She spends a lot

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of time there on social media. We've seen posts of
her on helicopters and in private jets. You know, she's
living the good life and until this night. She calls
her boyfriend basically tells him she's leaving the yacht club,
which is a very famous place, very beautiful, very five star,
ten star, and tells her boyfriend she's gonna, you know,

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take an uber home. Her boyfriend at the time was
out of town on business. And then suddenly there's an
incident on a yacht and this man, this naked man,
comes running off of this yacht and basically is begging
for help, saying, my girlfriend is dead, my girlfriend is dead.
What turns out it's her, This beautiful, beautiful young woman

(06:29):
is fashion designer Martha Nolan, and she basically is dead
and pronounced dead at the scene. Good Sinnamaritans were trying
to give her CPR and the sixty year old naked
man who is basically the only key witness. He's not
her boyfriend, he was just the boat owner. He also

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invested in her company about two hundred thousand dollars. They
must have had some sort of a business dinner or something,
and somehow she ends up on this boat, not in
the uber as she told her boyfriend, and now she
turns up dead.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
So with this naked sixty year old man, with this.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Naked sixty year old man, suspicious, suspicious, suspicious. Now her
family is crying foul ball, she's saying. The family and
mom specifically is saying, we want a second autopsy done
because the first one proves to be a little inconclusive.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Okay, I was just gonna ask, did they say anything
about how she died?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
No, they said it was really it was not violent.
There were no signs of trauma, no obvious signs of
nothing super obvious. There didn't seem to be any kind
of a struggle. But there was this substance on the boat.
There's photographs of this that have now been released of
sort of like the outside area of the yacht. On

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one of the seats, there seems to be this white powder.
Now listen, obviously, people their brains go to, oh, that
must be drugs. It's cocaine, or it's gunpowder or something.
It does look like white powder essentially, could be baby powder,
could be talcum powder.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Who knows. So that gets kind of you know.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Now we're in the rumor land rumor land rumor land
that oh.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
It must be drugs.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
But again we have to wait for the toxicology report
to come in. But before that, the parents are saying no.
And they're an island. By the way, Now they've come.
She grew up about thirty miles outside of Dublin, so
now her families come to the States. She lives in
New York City Upper East Side, and they want answers,
and they want this second autopsy to be done because look,

(08:35):
information could be slipping out of authorities hands. The Suffolk
County Police Department again, this is in my jurisdiction when
I was growing up.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
You know, they're doing their best.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
They're trying to make sure they're they're covering the tracks
and making sure there's no detail left undiscovered or you know, undetected.
But the toxicology report hasn't come back yet. The family
attorney of her family. They're basically saying, look, do not
go jump into a conclusion. She was not a drug user.
This was not a wild card girl. She was, you know,

(09:05):
a former soccer player. She had her bachelor's degree, she
got her master's. She has this really really high end
swimwear success business, and people think it's it's potentially suspicious.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Wow. Well, this is True Crime Tonight and iHeartRadio. I
am body movin and I'm here with Stephanie Lydecker, who,
by the way, is right in the middle of telling
this I'm on the edge of my seat story about
this mon talk yacht club death. And if you want
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(09:42):
Crime Tonight, click the little microphone and you're going to
be on the show. And I understand we have a
voicemail from a friend of ours. Can we go ahead
and hear that?

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Hey, good evening. This is Joseph Scott Morgan calling in.
I just wanted to put a bug in your ear
about the case to that you guys are probably going
to be handling and that's the case out of Long
Island at Montak. I'm fascinated about this case because I
don't understand first off, what substances may have been on

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that yacht with this young woman when she was sound dead.
Another piece of this that is just absolutely puzzling is
that the individual that actually alerted the locals that there
was a dead woman on the boat was a nude
man who came running out onto the walkway adjacent to

(10:38):
the boat in the marina. What part did he play
in this? This is what I want to know. I
want to know what this toxicology is going to reveal
in this case, Specifically, if this was cocaine related, and
there's been hints of some of that, was there any
sentinel in that coke? Because if she has used coke

(10:59):
in the past and it has not been laced with sentinel, right,
that could be the key to opening up a much
broader investigation. And what I'm thinking here just reflect back
to the case out of Kansas City where the three
Kansas City Chief fans were found dead and frozen in
the backyard of Wonder Friend's homes. That guy's being charged

(11:20):
right now with homicide. I'm very interested to see where
this case goes and how this is going to play out.
Mikes you guys, hope you have a great evening to miss.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
You too, Joseph. Yeah, that was great and really good observation.
My best friend in the whole world lost her daughter.
Took one pill and had a tiny bit of fentanel
in it. Oh yeah, so no, I mean, so it's in.
What I'm saying is it's totally possible. Doesn't mean that
the victim here is a druggy or you know, a
bad person or you anything like that. She could have

(11:55):
just been partying, you know what I mean, Like, Oh,
I'll try it, you know what I mean, Like, it
doesn't mean that she's necessarily a bad person, of course,
of course. It just you got to check everything.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
And that's true, and look at it. It's a tough
thing after a death. Suddenly all of these accusations are
being thrown around about this young woman who's a very
established young woman and doing really big things in the world,
and now suddenly all these like kind of yucky things
are being thrown out against her.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, of course just because.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You're using drugs, if in fact that's the case, Yeah,
you don't need to turn up dead, and if it
was laced with fentanyl, is there a bigger conversation to
be had? And remember, even today we're reading that the
ketamine queen who gave Matthew Perry her now admission. She's
pleading guilty to giving Matthew Perry that lethal dose of ketamine.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
That is connected.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
If fentanyl is in cocaine and somebody unknowingly uses that
and dies, is the person who gave it to her
culpable or her family is saying if there's drugs in
her system, then she was drugged And is that possible?
And what is this relationship with this naked sixty year
old man? Who's this guy? Who's this guy?

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Well, we're gonna find out, hopefully we'll find out. And
when we come back the Colorado Thrupple who's been charged
after allegedly hiding their partner's body at the residence for
nearly two years, and later in the show, I've been
deep diving into the Coburger files released by the Idaho
State Police, and believe me, you're going to want to
hear what I found. Keep it right here, True Crime tonight.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
So listen, we have a lot of Brian Coburger Files
to get to, so please stay tuned for that. And
also there's this interesting case in Colorado about this thrupple,
this threesome gone bad. So Boddy, technically, this is a
story that you brought to the table under very different circumstances.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
We were, you know, we were and we have a show.
We have a call every day, and it's what are
we going to talk about tonight? Right on for the show?
And I said, let's try to find some lighthearted you know,
this is a really dark subject matter most of the time.
Let's try to find some lighthearted things to talk about.
And I found this headline and I thought it was
like kind of silly, and I was like, let's look
at this story. And it was, you know, Thrupple kills

(14:22):
third or something, and I thought it was just going
to be like a silly little story. But oh my god,
the more we dug into it, it was like, holy crap,
this is actually really bad. It's one of the.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Scariest stories, scary thing we've started. Can you describe a throutle?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
I don't know, have you ever been a throuple?

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Not? I was gonna say, no, I have not been
in a threatle, which is essentially a threesome.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
It seems like way too much work.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
We were just.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Having a giggle, like who's cooking, he's cleaning. I don't know,
but take it. If they're both cooking and cleaning.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
I'm in.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
I'm in. Is anybody needy out there? Let me know,
get me in. Wow.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
So sometimes it gets naughty and sometimes it goes According
to this case.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
My luck, I would end up like this guy. So,
all right, James and Susan Agnew. They're in Jefferson County, Colorado.
They're facing charges including abuse of a corpse and theft
after allegedly failing to report the death of a man
whom they were in a three way relationship with. Okay, So,
this guy's name is James O'Neill, and he reportedly died

(15:22):
somewhere between December tenth and December twentieth of twenty twenty three. Okay.
His body was discovered by law enforcement at the couple's
residence in July of twenty twenty five, so like a
year and a half later, right since his death, for
which the cause is currently unknown. By the way, nobody

(15:43):
knows how he died. His body had been laying under
an air mattress as the couple cashed more than seventeen
thousand dollars worth of his social Security checks. Wow, okay,
so this guy dies and they start cashing in all
his checks, which is very suspicious, right, I mean in
my opinion, So right now, the two are charged with
tampering with the deceased human body, theft, abuse of a corpse,

(16:07):
and unauthorized use of financial transactions. Now here's the thing. So,
in the middle of July of twenty twenty five, after
being tipped off by O'Neill's family again they haven't heard
from him, right, they're like, where's our where's James. The
police go to the house and they're like knocking on
the door and James, the man of the house, was

(16:29):
detained because he had a rest warrant for something something totally, something,
very different. So Suzanne then comes to the door and
told officers that they're, yeah, you're gonna find O'Neill's body
in our house, which of course they did. So when
they're interviewing her at the police station, she told them
about this intimate three ray relationship between herself, James, and O'Neil.

(16:50):
The victim She said that they had lived together for
many years. And she said that she was with O'Neil
when he made a phone call to dispatch weeks before
his death, stating concerns that his roommates were going to
hurt him. So O'Neil, the victim, was calling the police
saying that my roommates are going to hurt me. Which
is interesting. So Susan claimed that she and O'Neil had

(17:11):
been considering moving but because you know, James, the guy
that's still alive, his behavior was becoming really erratic. So
she said, about a week or two later, the three
went to sleep and she woke up and he was dead,
dead in the dead in the bed. Oh no, yeah,
she said. She She said that they you know, wanted

(17:33):
to call the police, but she didn't want to give
him up.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
She wasn't ready to let go of his body. Oh,
because she loved him so much. Yeah okay, So she
put him under an air mattress. Yes, yes, love okay.
So she said there was no fight. She just believed
he died because of like some sort of underlying medical issue.
But she was just not ready to give him up.
She told this is this is the crazy part. You guys,

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She told officers.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
They decided to cover his body with an air mattress
about a week after his death, after some of her
eight chihuahuas started chewing on his body.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. Okay, trigger, this.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Is the light hearted story I bring to the table. Boy,
this is as funny as lighthearted about this one at all.

Speaker 8 (18:19):
But can I just ask, like, all I think about
is the entire summer of bodies there the smell.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Wouldn't there be the odor of a dead body?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
You would think ta, You would think tah. That is
such a good point, this smell. And I only know
this because of Joseph Scott Morgan, who I've worked with
for so long. This smell of a body is unimaginable
and continues and grows. It is not covered up by
an air mattress. And we're talking a year and a half.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah wait, and this is the all day.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
This is so they're all they're getting. He's getting social
Security checks. So over sixty five, I assume, you know what,
living her best lives until all things go awry and
maybe they get so. It wasn't, according to her, nefarious,
It was just natural causes.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
They woke up one morning and he was dead. She
didn't want to let him go, so he was like okay,
and they just decided to throw an air mattress on
him because the dogs were eating him. So what happens
to her now, Well, she has a hearing. She has
her preliminary hearing is scheduled for August twenty seventh, and James,
the other the guy, his arraignment hearings are scheduled for

(19:30):
September second and September twenty ninth, so about a month later.
Now it's kind of interesting. So the police interviewed James,
and he reportedly told officers that the social security benefits
were definitely a consideration when deciding if they were going
to report his death or not. So, while Suzanne says
that she just wasn't ready to give him up and

(19:52):
wanted to keep him around, James is like, well, his
social security benefits were definitely in consideration. Well we did,
we decided not to report it. We'll see who wins
in that battle. But I thought that was just kind
of creepy. So there's more. I mean, it's there's not
a lot more. It's more administrative stuff. So O'Neill's family
reported him in June of twenty twenty five that they

(20:15):
hadn't heard from him since twenty nineteen, so they waited
six years basically to report him missing. All right. At
the residence, James met with officers and appeared to pretend
he was O'Neill, identifying himself as only James and telling
officers he didn't want any contact with the O'Neal family.
So the guy that getting on and on. Yeah, he

(20:38):
pretended to be the victim, like, oh, it's me any
but that didn't work. So after O'Neill's family told officers
James was not O'Neill, officers return to the residence. So
they were fooled initially. They were fooled initially, and the
family was like no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not him,
that's not our son, you know, go back. So they

(20:58):
went back, of course, and he had to. Yeah. So
O'Neill's brother gained access to his bank account information and
found it had been regularly used and had a nine
hundred and sixty seven dollars monthly deposit from the Social
Security Administration and they were using it. Interesting, yeah, wow, Yeah,
So police reviewed surveillance footage from ATM transactions and found

(21:21):
a man matching James Agnew's description using O'Neil's debit card,
so that proved.

Speaker 8 (21:29):
Yeah, it sounds less like love and a little bit
more like money exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
And you know what, isn't that just the story as
old as time? So there we go. It's a loving
throuple relationship. Sometimes three is a crowd. Now they're saying, oh,
it was natural causes. It sounds a little suspect though,
Oh yeah, you know two of the three are are
spending all your money after the fact.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I don't know that sounds well, none of them suspicious.
They haven't been charged with murder or his like that.
They're charged again, I still gonna go over again tampering
with the deceased human body, theft, abuse of a corpse,
and unauthorized use of financial transaction devices. So we don't
know how he died yet. Apparently they're still waiting for
the autopsy to be done, but I don't think there's

(22:18):
any rush on it, so we're hopefully we'll know before
they get arranged, so that the charges are all correcked,
because if they were, if he was murdered, it's one thing,
but if he wasn't then, I mean, really, that's all
they're gonna be able to get him with. Can you imagine?
I mean, just think about it.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
This is one decision based on another bad decision. Now
we're gonna throw him under the mattress. Then we're gonna
go spend his money. Then we're gonna actually pretend that
we're him. And then the two of those two, the
remaining two levers, they stay together until they're arrests.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, they stay together. Speaking of decision making, coming up
in the next segment, I'm going to be going over
some of the deep dives I've done today in the
Brian Coberger files. And did you know he was particularly
interested in the decision making processes that criminals make while
committing a crime. And it made me think about the

(23:10):
blood droplets on Sanna's floor standing in front of that door.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I can't believe you're saying that that was the one
thing I was holding to talk to you about because
the idea and just again not to jump ahead if
you're not following this case, but you know, the Idaho
massacre we had had Joseph Scott Morgan on he was
describing these droplets of blood that we now know, based
on new information from law enforcement, that would imply that

(23:36):
he must have paused at some point with a knife
in his hand, and these droplets must have fallen from
his knife. And again that's the moment of decision making.
You really wanted to talk to ichotic moment, and that
is exactly what I wanted to talk to you about.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
So you are so we in my head baby decided
when we came on, we were like, don't talk to
me about Idaho to save it for the show. So
are you kidding me? He wants to talk.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
About that, That is the only thing I want to
talk about, because remember he was so obsessed and Brian
Coberger is the killer in the Idaho massacre. He has
now confessed to killing four incredible young adults now serving
for life sentences because there was no trial. All of
these findings and files are coming out publicly and we
can't get through.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Them fast enough.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
We're eating them up as as possible. But it shows
a lot into his brain space while getting his PhD.
Because while he was getting it, he was doing like
these surveys, for example, to criminals, basically asking about personality
traits and things that you know criminals had Was it
like a thought? Was it a personality? Are you born

(24:44):
that way? You know, kind of like a profile if
you will, which is not uncommon if you're taking a
class like that. But the fact that he was, actually
you're in my head.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
So I don't even want to like that.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I don't want to jump the shark and steal the moment,
but I'll let you kind of set it up. I
know we have to go to a break, but yeah,
I think we have a lot of Brian Coburger to
come back.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
We really do. Unfortunately, Yeah, these it's taken up all day.
You know, I was on vacation and while these dropped,
and you know, I'm like, oh my god, I get
these documents. I get home, I immediately down get the documents. Start. Anyway, well,
we're going to get into it next, so stick around
for that. We're going to be starting our coverage of
the new Brian Coberger Unsealed Files, and later in the show,

(25:27):
the latest with the Devil's Den double homicide. We'll be
right back keep it right here at True Crime tonight.
Well we're talking true crime all the time. Give us
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Speaker 2 (25:47):
We have so many files and new pieces of information
to discuss from these unsealed documents in the Idaho Massacre. Also,
our podcast Dropping on iHeart comes out on Wednesday, The
Idaho mass Er Season three, where we do a real
deep dive on so much body is in it as well.
Also Courtney Armstrong the voice of the Idaho Massacre. So

(26:11):
we're hoping you'll check it out and listen. We have
a talkback right now, Let's go straight to that.

Speaker 7 (26:16):
Hey, I just want to say I love you guys.
Megan here from Kentucky. I just wanted to weigh in
on a little bit on what Joseph got Morgan was
talking about about the PhD thing with the students and everything. Like,
I've gone through all of that myself is the chemistry
PhD graduate, and I think that, you know, everything he's

(26:39):
saying is exactly right, and it is is very complicated
to understand what is going on with you know, people
in these different levels of where they are in their
academic program. And you know, he was very spot on that.
You know, the professor said he identified him maybe as

(27:01):
a predator pretty early on. But I just want to
say I love you guys, and I listen to your
show every day, and thanks.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Meg, you make it crazy for you. Thank you for
listening every day.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
And congratulations on your PhD. Like that's smarty pands. I
was talking, you know, I was talking India. I was
thinking about going and get my masters. You'd be great,
I been. I was thinking about doing it in criminal justice.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, of course you should. I always want to go
to law school. So did you going to go to
night school together? This is the best sitcom?

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Is this our study group? It's our study group? I know,
is there a baby bar or something I could take?

Speaker 2 (27:37):
But you know we're lawyers by proxy a little bit,
But you'd be great.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
You should do that. I'm thinking about it. Oh, we'll see.
Maybe I'll maybe I'll talk to Joseph and get in
at Jack's where he teaches. Yeah. So I've been digging
into these Coburger files and it's, you know, it's kind
of insane, and I don't even know really know where
to begin. So what I did was I went through
all of my skimmed all of them, and then my

(28:04):
friend Heinze and character Analysis and I sat down and
we've kind of been picking the ones that really stood
out to us. The most, and there was about fifteen,
and then I combined all those and did a summary, okay,
on on the key you know, consistencies throughout the reports,

(28:26):
and this is what it is, Okay. Brian Coberger is
one hundred percent in cell. He's one hundred percent and
in cell, and he's described by many as creepy, socially awkward,
and domineering. This is my summary, Okay. He frequently stared
intensely at people. One woman counted nine times during a

(28:47):
class she saw him staring at her intensely, like creepy, scary,
like without a blank.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
You know, times you might just be gazing in a
direction and you happen to be looking at a person
and it's so embarrassing. You're like, where I'm not overly staring.
But in this case, this was a repeat pattern, and
he wouldn't really blink. He would just be so intensely staring.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Right. He exhibited this macho or puffed up demeanor, and
he always wanted to dominate every conversation he had. So
if you if you and I were talking about the
new Barbie doll, okay that we all got. We love
this Barbie doll. Enter Coburger he would turn the conversation
into something he's interested and then dominate that conversation. It

(29:30):
was actually because we're women too, especially because we're women,
So I'm going to get to that too. That's the
next section. Interactions with women. Okay, persistent complaints from women
about his behavior. He made sexist and belittally remarks. He
denied man explaining even exists. This This girl was in

(29:51):
and then the class was telling her something about eyewitness
You know, eyewitnesses get things wrong, and they were talking
about that, and he basically told her she was wrong
and explained why she was wrong, which is fine, but
apparently he was man'splaining, and it got the The argument
got so heated that she left the classroom crying and

(30:12):
heated and like left everything behind. Wow, it got so heated.
In this conversation, he told a disabled gay student he
would only accept a physically perfect partner and would she
even consider procreating because of her disability, meaning because.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
She had a disability, he thought maybe she shouldn't like
That's what he was implying is that you're not perfect
enough to procreate, right.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
He was dismissive of all the female professor's authority he
questioned one's ability to grade because she was too foreign. Yeah,
and it got it was so bad that class people
in classes that were that were with Coburger started keeping
a tally how many times he was late to female

(31:00):
professors classes versus the male professors. It was apparently very
obvious that he had issues with women. Female grad students
often felt uncomfortable, harassed or trapped. He would block doorways,
preventing them from leaving offices, and he would like corner them,
and the word was spatially trap people in rooms and conversations,

(31:25):
and then when you would try to get away from him,
he would follow you and continue the conversation, sometimes following
people all the way to their car. And it got
so bad that WSU, now this is all redacted. I'm
assuming WSU security or campus police had to start meeting
some of the students at five o'clock to walk them

(31:46):
to their cars to avoid Brian Cooberger. Can you imagine?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
And by the way, this is a very big deal
back to Megan, are callers, Yeah, point you know, here
you are, you're getting your PhD. You're a student, you know.
And also he has younger people underneath him, like theyre
prey to him. At this point, he's cornering them in
offices and making them feel uncomfortable. This guy was, you know,

(32:14):
like American.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Psycho, and you know, some faculty even warned students not
to be alone with him. You know, I'm a little
I'm a little taken aback by how obvious his like
absolute disdain and disrespect for women were. What were they
thinking after the murders, Like did they question like, oh
my god, I wonder if it could be him, Like

(32:35):
I wonder like internally did any of them kind of go, oh,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
And can you imagine being a parent sending your child
to university and they're that unsafe. So here are all
of these multiple complaints. Obviously in a very short amount
of time, this guy is making everybody a little uncomfortable.
There are this many complaints that we really weren't aware of.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Again, we talked about this before.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
We've interviewed students and people that knew him during this
time period who said, yeah, he was weird. But imagine
you're a parent and your daughter is going to school
there and is in class with him, and the school
isn't keeping them safe.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Right, This is Jree grahmtonight and iHeartRadio. I am going
through some of the stuff that I found in the
Brian Koberger documents. I'm still going through them, and I
still have a lot to go through. But if there's
something that you found that you want to talk about,
give us a call. Eighty eight to thirty one Crime
I am. I want to hear what you have to say,
because listen, I might have missed something. My friends and

(33:37):
I might have missed something. Tell me what did I
miss Give us a call. But let's get back to it.
There were at least at the time of the report,
there were at least nine complaints that were officially filed
against him, which is a remembering he'd been there. He'd
only been there since July, like you know, the six
months nine complaints. Some peers, oh this was this was crazy.

(34:02):
One called him a possible future rapist like this to me,
it's it's crazy. He had a lot of stalking and
boundary issues. He again is accused of following women to
their cars, staffed arranged for escorts because of him. There
was a whole class on how to behave because of

(34:24):
Brian Coberger. Yes, in a whole class. They gave They
gave like an orientation on how to conduct yourselves?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
How about fires cobrat of this clown? Why is not
allowed to be there? I know?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
And they noted that he sat in the back with
his hands folded kind of in front of him, staring
up at the ceiling. In this class was totally about
him and his behavior.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
By the way, another thing too, if he wasn't making
obscene amounts of eye contact with somebody, or not even
eye contact, just staring at somebody, he also apparently was
als so just staring at the ceiling, he did not
have any social cues, right, so we know now he
had some degree of autism.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Not that that has anything to do with the autistic community.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Obvious now, but you know, we thought that was such
a cop out. But you know, when we weren't sure
if he did it, you know, maybe he just didn't
have great social communication skills, right, or he just didn't
catch the hint. You know, when people are like, yeah, yeah,
you're carrying your groceries from your car to your apartment
and somebody stops and starts chatting you up. You're like, dude,

(35:30):
I'm holding all of these groceries, Like this is a
nonverbal cue that I'm done with this conversation.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
He would not get that. He wouldn't get it, while
he allegedly stalked a staff member, asked her out on
a date and followed her to a car. She filed
a civil rights complaint with the university about this because
he wouldn't leave her alone. A cafe worker said that
he knew her name and scheduled despite never being told,

(35:57):
and she suspects that he tracked her for.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Weeks in order to figure that out. In order to
figure that out right, witness has been the guy that's
like sitting outside the restaurant staring through the window from
the outside, marking her shifts.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Think about that. How scary that is? Very Witnesses reported
him showing up at women's homes or being linked to
suspicious incidents. Knocks on the windows, somebody on a porch,
somebody's underwear was stolen. This one lady, she's a student
and she was in the study group with him, the

(36:32):
court the court. Well, she invited everybody to her apartment
for like some kind of orientation, including Brian Coburger. Then
rumor started circulating that she's on this drug and she
has this disease and da da da da whatever, and
it comes from Brian Coburger. She finds out while he
went through her medicine cabinet when he was in her
bathroom at her house. This guy, yeah, and then he

(36:56):
starts talking crap about her after getting all her you know,
her personal business. Like he just he didn't have any
boundaries at all. He didn't have anything. It's just he
was again, he was systematically late to classes taught by women.
He was never late to the male professor classes. There
was even a male professor who started letting his class

(37:17):
out early so that Brian could make it to his
colleague's female class, and Brian was still late to her class. Wow,
what is intentionally disruptive? He would leave class in the
middle of a woman speaking one of his professors and
go get coffee. Are you kidding me? He was dismissive.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
And can you imagine if you're one of the victim's
family members and you're reading this now after the fact,
these were red flags that frankly went un handled. You know, yes,
there's a record of it, and to be honest, it's
pretty bothersome. And that's like an understatement of the year
that these things were on record. What more could they

(38:00):
have done?

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Well, we're going to get listen. I left out a lot.
We're going to get to more later, including what Brian
Coberger said about the killer at one one, two two
King Road. You know.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
As a reminder, our podcast, The Idaho Massacre, Season three
drops on Wednesday on iHeart. Please check it out, body,
you're so good on it and listen. It's shocking developments. Frankly,
some of the stuff we thought we knew and now
that we're seeing it, it was seeing it in black
and white. It was all speculation and to be honest,

(38:32):
it makes it ten times scarier. So we want to
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Speaker 9 (38:56):
Hi there at Cynthia from Canada College.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Hey, regards to the lady that.

Speaker 9 (39:00):
Was found to ceased on the yacht, she wouldn't necessarily
have to be using the drugs to overdose. She may
have just touched it. If there was ventanyl in it,
You can overdose by just having touched a product with
it in there, if people are aware of. Fentanyl is
a transdermal patch and that's how it's transmitted through the skin.

(39:20):
So she may not have been using it all. She
just may have touched it in error, and that's what
might have happened.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Can you imagine.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
And by the way, yes, suddenly you show up on
a boat, there's maybe drug use happening. You're just near it.
Maybe you sit down and it's on the seat, and
now suddenly you have fentanyl under your nails and then
you die.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
This is no joke.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
This phentanyl is a very scary thing with you on
this one.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
The patches. The patches are designed to be absorbed through
the skin. They like hook into your skin and they
release the fentanyl into your body that way. But I
don't think just touching ventanyl.

Speaker 8 (40:00):
I think you're right, body. I've just looked up really quick,
and it's saying you can't overdose just by touching it.
It's a common myth that spread through viral news.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
But you know.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
With Cynthia, Cynthia, because he thinks about it. Maybe she was.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
She also may have been ignore the evidence and just
like let's just we know.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Have we not talked about the Ketaman queen. I mean,
this is bad stuff. I'm by no means an expert,
but I feel for her. Like this girl she or
she is, she's supposed to go home, she's at this
lovely place very she she and she's supposed to get
into an uber and instead maybe she goes with her
this guy, maybe it's her business partner or her investor,
and you know, something goes awry and now boom, now

(40:43):
they're having funeral services overseas in Ireland and it's just
a heartbreaker. Yeah, absolutely heartbroken. This veetanol thing is no joke.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
No it isn't of course, not like it's a big deal.
Like like I said, my my best friend lost her daughter.
Really it's just all she was so she was so great.
This squirrel was so great, and it's just twenty two young,
very young. Yeah, and it's it's an epidemic. I mean
it's it's literally an epidemic. It's it's awful. And you know,

(41:16):
please carry around uh narcan and whatnot. You know, you
just never know who's going to need it and not
every person that you know dies from these things, are
you know, zombies walking the streets, right, like, these are
our friends, our cousins, our brothers, our sisters, our daughters.
Let's try to save as many as we can. You know,

(41:37):
just where do you get narcans? So you can just
get the pharmacy. You can get a Walgreens. Yeah, go
to the pharmacy and they'll give them to you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
And that's just something that have in your house at
all times. Yeah, you're frankly, if this was on that boat,
you know this, maybe maybe if it had that on it,
you know, a life could have been saved. No, again,
this has not been proven. Her toxicology report, it is
not back. Authorities say that there is no foul play
in this case. And this you know, sixty year old

(42:07):
man has not been charged. It's just an unfolding story.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Right. Courtney Armstrong is out tonight and we've lost our minds.
I know, we all have the giggles. Ta hilame you.
Conia Corney is like the serious one, okay. Corney is

(42:33):
the one that keeps us kind of like, you know,
the train is on the tracks and she is not
here and we it's Lord of the Flies up here,
like we are losing it. I am losing it.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I feel like I can't stop with the giggles. Sometimes
it's like a nervous energy in between the breaks.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
So and it's just making fun of Brian Koberger. You
know what I mean, this maniac, I mean honestly.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
So we want to make sure come on join in,
give us a giggle eight eight eight to three, one
crime if you want to jump in and join the converse.
And remember tomorrow is talkback Tuesday, so we want to
definitely get your talkbacks, any opinions about any of the
cases that we are covering or that you would like
us to cover. You know, we kind of just want
to hear from all of you all in one night.

(43:14):
So we actually have a talkback right now.

Speaker 10 (43:17):
Yay, Hello, my babies, This is Cindy calling in from
Oakland and I just want to know your guys's thoughts
on the missing baby, baby Emmanual and the parents. As
we know, the mom went to a Big five parking lot.
She said that she was struck in the face, passed
out and the baby was gone. The stepfather, I believe
has previous charges for abusing children. So I just want

(43:40):
to know your thoughts and are we on the verge
of another Casey Anthony?

Speaker 5 (43:44):
Are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (43:45):
I love you to Felida.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Bye, Listen.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
I love you too, Okay, Listen. I just spent all
weekend with her and she never mentioned this baby to me.
I have no idea what Casey's even talking you. No,
I do. And by the way, wait, are you move down, Indy?

Speaker 2 (43:59):
We were all having a giggle and now we have
to talk about the sadest case ever. But yes, it
does seem suspicious. Dad, who has not been brought in
on charges yet, does have a bit of a background
in this. And it's tragic. It's as tragic as it gets.
In fact, those you know, pieces of these details are
kind of unfolding real time.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Indy.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
You probably are on the front line of this, So text.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Me, Indiana, let me know task on.

Speaker 7 (44:23):
We're we're kind of.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Following this one closely.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
It's just so sad, and yes, it does seem like
you know, if anyone remembers the Casey Anthony case, infamously
known as top Mom, she was found not guilty in
the murder of her daughter, and you know, the circumstances
around Kayley's death have always been, you know, questioned and

(44:46):
really never quite resolved.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
There's been so much he said, she said, Dad did it.
I didn't do it. So that's the casey Anthony. So
this baby was did they take the car and the
baby or just the baby? Just the baby? Really that's
the story. Huh interesting? Okay, we all dig into it too. Yeah.

(45:08):
I don't know anything about it. Yeah, let's see, let's
do it. I I really don't know a thing about it.
And she didn't say a thing to be about it either.
I don't know. I think she listen.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I think she likes me more. I think she does
she does like you.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
You go there next time? Okay, But no, I you know,
I just had never heard of it. I just didn't,
you know. Anyway, So I have an update that I
can get into. The Devil's Den suspect has pled not
guilty to two charges of capital murder again. Twenty eight
year old Oklahoma teacher Andrew McGann appeared in court for

(45:45):
his arrangement Thursday at Washington County Courthouse. McGann is accused
of fatally stabbing the couple Clinton and Kristen brink on
July twenty sixth, like this was pretty recent, right while
hiking with her two daughters in Devil's Den State Park
in Arkansas. So while it's usually open to the public,
you know, this these kinds of cases, the judge barred

(46:07):
everyone but the attorneys and McGann himself from the arrangement,
so press wasn't allowed in which just unusual. A gag
order is anticipated to be in place on this case,
which is why I don't like I don't like that.
But why do you think? I don't know, But you know,
it just seems like every time there's a gag order,
there's rumor, and you know, basically people fill in gaps

(46:28):
right with their imagination, and I just don't like that
in cases I think, I think transparency is key. I
just I don't really like gag orders. It's not my
I don't love I don't love them. So authorities do
not think McGahn had a connection or knew the couple
at all. They're yet to determine a motive for the crime,

(46:49):
which is very interesting. He's being held without bond obviously.
His next court date is scheduled for November fourteenth, so
it's coming up. Authorities in Wisconsin and Veron are looking
for a connection between McGann and two unsolved murders, one
John Craig Schmutzer in twenty twenty and Honore Fleming in

(47:10):
twenty twenty two. However, there's no viable leads at this time.
There's no connective tissue yet. Honorey Fleming, she was seventy seven.
She was a retired dean of education and a professor
at a local university. She was shot and killed while
walking on a bike pass, so she was hiking, but
she was shot, so it's like a different method. And

(47:30):
then John Craig Schmutzer, he was twenty four. He was
stabbed and killed while hiking in the Grottos Trail in
Doubles Lake skate Park in Wisconsin on October fourteenth of
twenty twenty. So again, no connective tissue there. And I
don't think they're going to find anything. I think they're
kind of reaching, but what we're gonna find out I did.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
It just seems so bizarre that a person would just
jump out of nowhere in the woods dressed in black
and murder two people, if they hadn't done that before
or that does seem sort of like an m O.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I don't think it's you know, I think we're gonna
I think we're gonna learn that this guy was probably
going after the kids. What I think he was probably
going after the kids. There's some history there with him
in teaching where he was acting inappropriate with uh students

(48:23):
at times and he was let go. Now it doesn't say,
you know what the inappropriateness was. It could have just
been a misuse of time. It could have been something
very you know, non you know.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Hetty ring necessarily a pedophile, right, That doesn't necessarily mean
see what's happening.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
My mind is filling in the blanks. See what I'm doing,
See how I'm doing that track at least, I mean,
it doesn't make any sense to just be going into
a trail to go hiking with your family and this
nut just comes out of nowhere. I mean, I mean,
what parent isn't going to stand in between their children
and an attacker? Right every port on planet earth wood, Right,

(49:08):
So I just feel like, you know, it's something to
do with that. And then we know that mom ushered
the girls to safety, right and then went back to
help her husband, and she then was killed and I
just feel like Mom was like, I've got to get
these girls out of here, like he's coming after that.
I don't know we're gonna obviously we'll learn as time

(49:28):
goes on, but we just don't know anything right now.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Mom is such a hero too, to have alfray with all,
to be able to take your children, your husband is
being attacked and you know, killed, and you still get
them to safety and then go back to save your husband. Right,
I mean, that is so incredibly brave and what a tragic,
horrible ending.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Right. If this guy is the guy, boy, he deserves
it all. You're listening to True Crime tonight, we are
going through all the headlines. I am body moving and
I'm here with Stephanie La Decker and we've got Taha
on the boards. Stephanie, what do you got listen?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
I mean, first of all, Taha just gave me a
thumbs up, and it makes me so happy. Tahi, is
that a thumbs up? Because you feel like, what, you're excited.

Speaker 8 (50:14):
That excited to hear the next story? Because well, I'm
always excited to hear everything that I hear. You have
a good one that we're going to be covering. So
that was the thumbs up to that.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Well, have you guys been hearing much about this LSU
case where you know, this very high profile football player
was arrested for basically he was basically taking two of
his buddies who were from his hometown in Louisiana, Alexandria,
and they had committed a crime. They were on the
they were on the lamb. They were wanted for second

(50:44):
degree murder. They had murdered a seventeen year old boy
in like a botched burglary, and they basically look up
the FSU football player, Lindsay is his last name, and
they basically say, hey, we are allegedly, allegedly allegedly they
need to be housed. So he was basically harboring his
two buddies from home in his dorm room at LSU

(51:09):
and now has been arrested for Yeah, basically for you know,
harboring these people after the fact, and it's a big deal.
You know, you're really interrupting an investigation. And when he
was arrested, he was arrested, they found guns in the
room in the dorm room. I mean, this guy was
like an all star, He's a freshman. So at the

(51:30):
very beginning of his football career. He's being drafted, he
was considered number four in his class, like he was
a big deal, and now he's been suspended. But it
really does speak to the company you keep at this point.
So here's a guy whole life ahead of him, going
to university. It's an amazing school, and suddenly he throws

(51:53):
it all away because of his knucklehead buddies. From that,
you know they were wanted, Well, that's a great questions.
He had no idea, He had no idea that they
were wanted, nor of the crime they were accused of committing. However,
it's a very small area. Alexandria is not the hugest town,
and he has such close connections that apparently that was

(52:16):
very hard to believe. And then one of his associates
real time at LSU had tipped off police that apparently
Lindsay had said to them, I have these two buddies
that are Mike barboring in my in my in my
dorm room essentially, and that sort of tipped it over.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
And it's a hard thing.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
You know, you see him walking in with his mom,
who's probably had to work real hard to get him there.
You know, we can imagine it's like this guy is
going to go pro this has got the NFL and
just threw his entire life away. Can you imagine how well?

Speaker 3 (52:53):
I mean, you know, I'm trying to put myself back
in that mind frame of being you know that young
and you know you've got older, you know, upperclassman. Let's
say who you know you maybe look up to maybe
or like we need to high out like the pressure,
like the pressure right, like, plus you're in the sports thing,

(53:14):
like that's got to add some kind of pressure, right
like from pride.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
He's eighteen years old, he's a freshman. He's got this
whole life ahead of him.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
His name is J. T.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Lindsay and by the way, a popular name. Like he's
a big deal in his hometown too, almost a hometown hero.
There's a real real fall from grace.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
I don't think they're gonna pursue the charges against this kid.
That all that hard.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
It's considered a cessory after after the fact, yeah, which
is no, you know, that could be a fine, but
that also could be a sentence up to fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Listen, if you're listening to this, tell your lawyer that
you'll work with the prosecution and testify against your friends
and you'll get immunity and everything will be fine. Like
just listen to me, likechitches and that's a tough thing.
You know. Not everybody is raped that way. You're sort
of like.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
You have to stick up for your buddies and you
know you're hearing all of it. Oh what you think
you're a big shot? Now, this guy was the number
seven running back in the nation. I'm talking football terms
right now, So that's pretty It sounded to kind of
flow off my tongue like it did.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
It sounded like a.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Exactly am I.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Sports Center Sports Tonight.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, my dad, Yes, number four player in the state
of Louisiana. I mean, come on, this is a big deal.
This guy is okay and going all the way. Needs
to do what I said.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Then, I don't care about. I don't care about. He
needs to save his own by Yeah, he needs to
save his own butty, and you need to tell the
prosecutors what those two idiots told you while you were
harboring them. But how about the.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Fact that they also found two ar fifteens and other
multiple guns in this dorm room and they don't love you.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
In college? Isn't that against the rules.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Oh, it's against the rules. And then the knucklehead friends
who shall remain nameless, they were like using his ID
to like get in and out of the place and
you know, grab some food, like they were basically living
there as if they were students. Now he claims he
was at football camp, but others are saying, mm, that
doesn't add up. So it puts a lot of other
people at risk, obviously, and other students, you know, their

(55:30):
safety at risk.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Yeah, but you know what a loss.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
And again, most importantly, the biggest loss is Corey Brooks,
seventeen years old, lost his life to those guys. So
you know, our hearts are with his family, are Taha
Producer Taha is kind of jumping in to help us
around the edges while Courtney Armstrong's away. This like information
drop in the Brian Cobroger Idaho massacre trial is is

(55:58):
making us all insane right now.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
It's literally is making me crazy.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
It is it is and before we even get there,
just as a reminder to everybody, tomorrow is talk back Tuesday,
So listen, set the schedule, set your clocks. We want
to hear from you. Set your talkbacks, send them our way.
And feel free to call us anytime eight eight eight
three one crime. It doesn't have to be on topic.
It can be about any of the crimes we've been covering,

(56:24):
or any of the crimes who kind of want us
to cover as well. And also as a reminder, I
Hadaho Massacre Season three. The podcast drops on iHeart on Wednesday,
So body, I know, we're both losing our minds during
the breaks.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
We're not sure where to start.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
There's so much information to touch on, and it's upsetting.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
It is upsetting to read these and it's in black
and white, and it's so you know, we were talking about,
you know, it's so obvious how he just didn't respect
women or even like them, and it just we were,
you know, kind of before we knew for sure, we
were kind of guessing this is how he was right,

(57:07):
just based on looking like his mannerisms and what we
did know about him, which was very little, but we
were all right. And it's just it's kind of upsetting
that not only were we right, but we were spot
on correct. And the fact that the fact is that
we didn't even know an hing about him when we
knew this, and except for that he was accused of

(57:29):
this crime. But the fact that the people at WSU
were basically getting security to escort students and other faculty
to their cars because of Brian Koberger's behavior with them
is so upsetting to me. It's so upsetting.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yes, imagine also being a family member, being one of
the Gonzalez family, Medicine Mogan or is Ana Kernodle's family,
and they're like, look, they knew an identify this guy
as a total creep and a predator. My kids are
gone now because of this guy. Maybe he could have
been stopped again in everything's in hindsight what it is.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
And and this isn't like, you know, I'm not putting
down WSU because I feel like this is something that's
you know, a problem throughout you know, the campuses throughout
the nation. Because you know, we were talking to Joseph
last night and he was telling us, yeah, there's not
really much you can do. These are you know, employees
basically of the university at this point, right and you know,

(58:34):
you just can't fire people willy nilly and anymore. You know,
you have to have cause and whatnot, and you have
to have write ups, and you have to have so
many and it has to counseling, and that you have
to go through all these steps. It's just I just
kind of wonder did even one of them after the
murders took place, did one of them go hmm.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
You remember, Brian Coburger was raised by really smart, loving women.
He had two older sisters. He was the baby of
the family. In fact, one of his sisters is a therapist.
And you know, he was doted on, loved. His mother
was very respected and loved. So, you know, you're raised

(59:15):
by women, yet you have such a disdain for them.
You know, again, these are psychopathic behaviors, right. He lacks compassion,
he lacks any love or an ability to give love
or receive love in maybe a human way obviously, But
it is interesting that he wasn't raised by wolves.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
He was raised by women. He was raised by women.
And he said in some of these classes that he
was in that he believed in like traditional roles, and
he believed in like traditional marriage, which is you know,
dog whistles for domine cell one hundred percent, like you know,
and I don't like trans people or home. You know,

(59:56):
he was homophobic. He made homophobic content or comments. He
just you know, I'm just summarizing everything that he that
you know that these reports say, if you're just joining us,
he had hostility towards women. He was belittling, sexist, dismissive,
and predatory. In fact, one of the professors said that
she works with predators and she recognizes them when she

(01:00:17):
sees them, and he's definitely going to be somebody that
they hear about. Another one said that he was probably
going to be a future rapist. Wow. And these are
all comments that they made prior to the murders. Yes,
like these aren't These aren't said in hindsight. These are
said in like reports and complaints about his behavior prior
to the murders. So it isn't like they're looking at

(01:00:39):
the lens of history. No, they're, you know, talking about
current stuff. He had a pattern of intimidation. He would stare,
he would block, and he would trap people in rooms
and like continue the conversation. And like, you know, he
lacked friends. He just had weird attempts at connections and
awkward persistence. He was obsessed with crime and offenders, specifically

(01:01:04):
sexual burglary, which is a term I never heard.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
But you know what again, Joseph Scott Morgan kind of
called this day one. He did the second this case
broke and we heard about the murders.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
The suspicion.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
The suspicion from Joseph Scott Morgan was a that it
was sexually charged and that likely this person would have
struck before or been some sort of a I don't know,
this is like not the official term, but like a
penny sniffer, somebody who busts into somebody's house without them
knowing that they're there not to steal but to sort

(01:01:37):
of go through their lingeride or or you know, go
through their underwear and bras. By the way, what a
sick thought. And he did that and then let themselves out.
Maybe he would take a token, maybe he would steal
one of their undergarments and then take that home and
he would get a thrill out of it their IDs
or their ideas exactly. You also, you called that from

(01:02:00):
day one. And by the way, I was the one
who was really anti making sure you know, I was
really anti the pylon to Brian Coberger early on because
I was like, look, we can't convict this guy in
the press who knows maybe he's innocent.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
And you were right about that, and you were right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I get so grossed out by myself just thinking about
it in retrospect because I was snowed.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I was like, this is a nice you know, nerd.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
You know that was being bullied and maybe he's just
being cast in this role of killer and we can't
just throw away the key at until he has a
fair trial. Right by way, this guy was so guilty
from day one.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
It's a joke, right. This is true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio,
where we talked true crime all the time. I'mbody movin
and I'm here with Stephanieleidecker, and we got Sam and
Adam on the boards, and we got Tah and the
producer's chair. We are ready for your talkbacks. Give us
a call, eighty eight thirty one Crime. We're right in
the middle of going over some of the coburger details
from the Idaho State Police document dump, and I'm just

(01:03:02):
kind of summarizing some of the things that we've already
been talking about. And I mentioned sexual burglary and then
I heard Taha cue up his mic. He was just
waking Is that everybody, because I've never heard that term.
Neither have I. But it's not used in legal circles,
but it is used in academia. And what it is,

(01:03:25):
it's it's a study of people that it's a burglary
that involves a sexual element, kind of like what Stephanie
was describing. For example, an offender breaking into a home
not only does still property, but to also commit a
sexual assault, engaging in voyeurism, or experience sexual gratification from
the intrusion itself, so they get they get some sort

(01:03:49):
of gratification from even entering the home where they're not
supposed to be. It's it's it's kind of sneaky penetrating. Yeah, okay,
monology research. It's often studies as a subtype of burglary
where the motivation is sexual arousal, domination, or control. And

(01:04:09):
so this is literally Brian Coberger's personality and what we've
learned from these reports in the summary that I just
read you, he was dominating every conversation. He liked to
control people and block them in rooms and force them
to listen. He liked to basically give lectures himself. He's,
you know, kind of like me right now, I'm you know,

(01:04:31):
standing up on a podium giving you you know what
I mean, Like he liked you a sound of his
own voice. You never make a connection like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
There is no kind of like you when talking about
Brian Coberger got devil himself right, No way right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
So when witnesses in these police reports describe Brian Koberger
as being interested in sexual burglary, they're referring to his
criminology focus, right, But they're also referring to him if
you think of like this is his total personality. He
was again domineering. He liked to dominate everything. He liked
everyone to know that he was the smartest one in

(01:05:06):
the room. He controlled conversations. If he didn't like what
you were talking about, he would change the subject to
make you start talking about something that he wanted to
talk about. There's so many different reports. In one report,
there was a guy and he said that he Brian
wasn't really his friend, but he was more than an acquaintance.
So he's kind of in the in between. And he

(01:05:27):
got a ride from Brian Coberger and they ended up
being in his car for hours in the parking lot,
just talking, and Brian was venting to him saying that
I don't you know, I don't have a lot of
guys to talk to. And this is where he started
talking about his traditional marriage values and you know, yeah,
and then he said he could have he could walk
into a bar and have any woman he wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Yeah, I mean, give me a break, his guy, He
couldn't get a girl. By the way, do we think
in some way that this was in fact a sexually
motivated event where he went in to potentially rape or
sexually assault one of the girls and it kind of
just went sideways, and maybe murder was not the initial intention,

(01:06:12):
which brings us back to this fast decision making point
that we spoke about at the top of the first hour,
where you know, he was curious. He was basically researching
about other criminals and their decision making abilities in the
moment of committing a crime. And you know, body, I won't,
I won't steal it from you. But no, where does

(01:06:33):
that go? Where where does your brain go with that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
My initial thought when I learned that Brian was specifically
interested in learning about the decision making processes that people
go through when they're committing a crime. I thought about
the survey that he did on Reddit, and then I
thought about the blood droplets in Zanna's and Maddie's room.
Tell me more about the blood droplets, because I haven't fascinated
by that. The blood droplets in the doorway. It's basically

(01:06:58):
inside the room by the door, and they're perfectly round droplets.
And I brought it up with Joseph because I knew
what it meant and I wanted him to explain it.
But what it means is that somebody's standing pretty still
so that the blood just drips from for gravity, you know,
there's no movement in these blood drops. There's no tail,

(01:07:20):
there's no you know, there's it just drops, which means
that you're standing there. And it made me think about
Brian Coberger's decision making process. He was standing there. Now,
Initially I thought he was observing what he had done,
but now I think he was trying to decide what
to do next exactly. Was he just listening to it? Yeah,

(01:07:40):
it's like a movie poster.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
If you picture a movie poster with like the assailant
holding the knife at their side and it's dripping with
blood and they're just silent in the doorway, which is
essentially what we're saying. Because the blood wasn't splattered, right,
it was just dripping so he was taking a moment,
he was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Taking up chills right now. Thank you making decisions. Yeah,
so keep it here. I'm going to continue this conversation.
I hope you don't mind, Stephanie'm gonna take We're going
to continue this conversation about the Brian Coberger documents from
the Ido State the police. Keep it right here, true
crime tonight. What was on his laptop. I'm going to
let you know, keep it in here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Listen, all of these unsealed documents in the Idaho massacre
have now been released or are slowly being released by
law enforcement, and it's staggering. There's so many to get to.
It's like two hundred plus documents. So body and I
are losing her mind real time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
There's a quick talk back though, Let's go to that first.

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
Okay, Hi there, this is Elon lay Them from Washington State.
I am just thinking about all these unsealed documents with
all this information about BK and I'm curious what we
can do with this to make things better for us
and those around us in the future, because sometimes listening

(01:09:09):
to these just feels like spreading hot gossip, right, you know,
so true?

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Yeah, and you know something that we were talking about
in that last segment. I feel really kind of like
something needs to change at these campuses to you know,
when this kind of behavior is recognized and even commented
on officially in reports like you just don't keep that
guy around like I don't know, and I agree with you.

(01:09:37):
In order in order for this to mean something, things
have to change, right otherwise it's just us gossiping. I
totally agree. And in the spirit of that, I think
that you know, we as a country, I don't know,
really need to take a look at like you know how.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Talking laws and by the way, know for I do
for all us, and listen anybody that can hear our
voices right now, we have to trust our spidey sense,
you know, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Number one. You have to trust your gut.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
And if you have a weird feeling by anybody, do
not discount it by feeling like you're being impolite.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
You know, you were raised as women.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Women, Oh polite, make smiles, you know, don't never rock
the ship. You know what, if someone's giving you a
bad feeling and you're online somewhere, or if you think
there's something fishy with the neighbor, or if you're not feeling.
And again, we don't live in a scary place. These
are very rare circumstances. I want to also make sure
we're not perpetuating just you know, endless fear. You know,

(01:10:41):
it's kind of like the Great White Shark. Right, we
talk about Jaws because there aren't a ton of shark sightings. Well,
I guess now they're getting more and more. But you know,
my point being is, you know, being killed in this
manner is very rare, and people like this monster, Brian Coburger,
are also rare, and as a result, we have to

(01:11:01):
talk about him and these types of traits so we
know what to look for in the wild. Because I've
said it many times, sometimes the Boogeyman is closer than
we think, and sometimes it's someone we know in our
immediate circle. And if just because everybody else is saying,
oh yeah, uncle, so and so is amazing, or your
neighbor's so lovely, if you disagree, trust your gut and

(01:11:25):
keep yourself safe and let's all just look out for
each other.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Yeah. Well, one thing I wanted to talk about that
is in the reports, and then I'm going to move
forward to the laptop. What they found on his laptop
and phone. There's I need to clear something up about
some headline news about something Dylan reportedly told investigators about
something she heard that night. So what Dylan told the cops.
It's in the PCA. The ISP report says that Dylan

(01:11:54):
said that she heard Brian Cooberger say the name Kaylee,
which implies that there's a connection of some kind, right, Kaylee.
In order to know her name, there has to be
some kind of connection. And the reason I bring this
up is the person that wrote that was never talking
to Dylan. The person that wrote that is never did

(01:12:16):
any interviews, was never present in any of the Dylan interviews.
I feel like with the news media and when I'm
talking about the news me, I'm talking about you know, CNN,
you know all the big ones. Okay. The detective who
wrote that down in his report was not present during
any of Dylan's interviews. At first, we know Dylan told
Detective Blaker in detective pain that she thought she heard

(01:12:40):
Kaylee crying in the bathroom, and you know, blah blah
blah blah. Well, what's being reported in the report is
that Dylan said she heard the suspects say it's Okay, Kaylee,
I'm going to help you, And that never happened. If
you read the actual report instead of just the headline,
you'll learn that Detective Blaker provided the person that wrote

(01:13:04):
this report with the narrative. Okay. So it's like it's
like a bad game of telephone, is what it is exactly,
which is okay, dangerous. It's so dangerous. Dylan is already
under enough scrutiny by a bunch of conspiracy people who
think she's involved somehow. She doesn't need ABC and CNN
and News Nation Dad all these places not reading the frickin'

(01:13:25):
document and just you know, reporting on the headline. Read
the documents, and if and if you don't know how
to read the documents and comprehendum, don't report on it.
That's a fair point. Yeah, I mean that is a
fair point. The detective is clearly saving this was a
narrative I was given and then he's writing it down, okay,
And and Dylan is describing, Oh I think I heard

(01:13:47):
Kaylee crying in the bathroom, and the detective heard Kaylee,
I'm here to help you. It never happened. It's not
in any of the other it's not in the grand
jury stuff. It's not in any of it's not in
the PCA, it's not in anything happened. And I will
die on that. Hi'll come after me. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
You don't have to die on any hill and no
one's coming after you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
That's the good news.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
They'll have to answer to me, and they ain't getting by,
not to my girl. But you know, all that to
be said, the fact that there was no real connection,
I can't underscore that enough.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Welling for me. It's it. But you know, when we
look at like BTK or you know, on the big ones,
right Ted Bundy, there was no connection to his victims either.
This is what happens. It's it's too scary to think about,
but it's what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
And it appears that it's almost intentional. It's almost intentionally.
It's funny, you know, right we were. You think about
the fact that he had been lurking, according to Kaylee,
multiple times outside the perimeter of their house in the
months prior. You know, there was always those reports that
Kaylee had said she was being stalked or she felt
as though she was being stalked.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Was that him?

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
You know? That was again she was trusting her Spidey,
since she had repeated that to several people.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
She did everything correct.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
And this guy also down the block, was you know,
creeping in other people's houses. There were these now many
reports of incidents that were maybe test runs for him.
And that's also really scary to think about. We can't
keep our doors unlocked. That's another little takeaway, right, just
to go back to our talk back. You know, those

(01:15:27):
days are over, you know, and that's okay, It's okay.
We have ring cameras, we have security cameras, we have
each other to look after each other. But let's not
like sleep with the windows open.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
So this is true crimetonight and iHeartRadio. I'm Boddy Moving
and I'm here with Stephanie Leidecker and we're right in
the middle of going over all the Brian Coberger, I guess,
you know, released documents from the Idaho State Police, and
I wanted to talk about the interview with Heather and
Jared Barnhart. They are with Celebright and they sat down
with Brian Enton for his podcast on Brian Entton Investigates,

(01:15:59):
and they went over some more details about things that
they found looking at his phone and his computer and
some of it was very, very interesting. So I think
I mentioned this the other night. Brian Coberger manually powered
off his phone. So he hit with an Android you
have to hit the button. His phone was at one
hundred percent. He clicked on Wi Fi, turned it off.

(01:16:20):
He clicked on cellular device, turned it off, and then
manually shut down his phone so it didn't die. There's
no excuse, right, he manually shut his phone down. He
only had eighteen contacts in his phone. I think we
went over that already. His parents were saved as mother
and father. He called and texted them obsessively, often back
to back if one did not answer. On the day

(01:16:42):
of the murders, he spoke with his mother for over
three hours in multiple calls ranging from a few minutes
to over an hour, starting around six am. In fact,
when he was reported to be back in Moscow. Remember
when they said he went back. The next morning, he
was on the phone with his mom. At nine am.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
He was on the phone, this mom crazy, hope she talks,
because honestly, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
A piece of the puzzle.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
I know that I just kind of want you know,
I've said this many times, but I remember the Columbine
mom and mother of Dylan the Columbine shooter. She did
that documentary and it must have been real hard because.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
She's dead talks too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Yeah, and she was like, you know, the face of
a lot of criticism because look, she raised a boy
that killed so many, but her her take on it
was really important and it was takeaway you know, the
red flags that she missed and had you know, the
wherewithal to share those after the fact, knowing she would
get such criticism. But I hope that the Coburger family

(01:17:40):
does the same, because you know, sometimes it's in your
family that you might miss the signs right because you
love somebody so much you don't see it or you
don't want to see it. And obviously, now given where
we are, I bet they have plenty to say a
bad things.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
And I have I have a lot more to Oh,
you do you've come to the right I'm waiting to interrupt.
I'm like, only three minutes. I got to go. So
December twenty nine, he started searching for terms like psychopath, paranoia,
serial killer, and wire tapping. That same morning, he read
a New York Times article that like described his car

(01:18:18):
perfectly right, everything perfectly Guess what he did, He started
looking for car detailing and selling the car that was
not white and not a Hunde like he wanted to
get rid of this car. He wanted to get a
used one or something else. He wanted to get something else.
And then right after that, right after he started searching
for the car, he started searching for news updates on

(01:18:41):
the Idaho homicides right after, like right after he cleared
a lot of his browsing history. But autophill preserves your searches,
you know, like sometimes when your side and it fills
in for you. And he was again this is proven.
The terms he was looking for were noncnsxual sex, rape,
voyeurism by the way, sexual burglary, Tom Ye, keeping Tom drugged,

(01:19:04):
and unconscious partners keeping Tom stuff Right, so only a
handful of saved wi Fi is mainly from WSU. There
was Google maps cash that showed an interest in the
mad Greek, but no actual Wi Fi connection had occurred,
so they cleared that up. So it was the Google
Maps cash. He was interested around something in that area

(01:19:27):
around the Magreek restaurant, which is very interesting and this
is really weird. He took a lot of selfies shirtless
flexing in the mirror, apparently for himself. He never sent
these to anyone, but there were numerous, numerous The people
Heather and Jared Barnhardt who were describing this said it
reminded them of American Psycho that was yeah, or like

(01:19:49):
the What's the Joker?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
You know from that movie where he's so obsessed with
his body he's losing his mind.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Right, this tracks on Christmas night. He was is downloading
the Danny Rowling stuff over and over and over again,
and he also looked for Danny Rolling in November. So
he was really interested in the Gainesville Ripper, which is
very interesting because he also used a kmar. He was
on Reddit. He engaged in threads about X cons and prisons,

(01:20:16):
asking for volunteers to do surveys, which we now all know.
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Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
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can't say it enough.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Tomorrow was talk back Tuesday. Kids.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
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your voicemails, hit us up on socials. We want to
hear your opinions. It's all about you tomorrow, right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Body, Yeah, I want to know, like what did I miss?
Did I miss some key takeaway in these documents? You know,
like or do you feel differently about something? Let us know,
Like I need to listen. I really believe in the
power of crowdsourcing. Okay, I really really really do, and
so tell me what I missed. I'm not going to
be offended, like.

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Have a good night yet, Oh that's true. That's the
one I wanted. That is the Now listen, you can't
tell everybody what you wanted. It's gonna gonna I'm in charge.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
You're what is it called your swaying the audience?

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
That's okay, what does the lawyer do? You can't lead
the witness. I'm not a lawyer, oh fair, I'm an analyst.
So if you go to our Instagram and the Instagram
is at True Crime Tonight's show, and you go to
our story and you'll be able to vote on a
name for the documentary watch club, and right now my

(01:21:56):
choice is winning. I just want to throw it out there.
Let's keep you I can, I might be folding. Please
go and vote on our Instagram. It's at True Crime
Tonight's show on Instagram. And while you're there, give us
a little follow and then, you know, just vote on
our little pole there and name the segment so that
when we are saying, oh, now it's time for watch

(01:22:18):
party Wednesday or whatever. I don't know part Wednesday. Just
made that up. I just made it up. Okay, I
didn't want to see the audience. Okay, I already got
in that, but.

Speaker 6 (01:22:29):
You know to.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Anyway, please go vote. That would make me really happy
and put a smile on my face if we got
a lot of votes on We have a lot of
votes so far, but we need more and keep help
me in the segment. Keep it coming, and I'm excited
to start diving into this with you guys. I've been
holding out watching all the documentaries because I need you know,
I don't want to get ahead. Yeah, so anyway, we.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Need something to watch. And by the way, leave us
some happy stories too. If you have any good news
to share, feel free to throw. So everybody's shaking their
head now to hear what kind of downer group is this?
Thank you, Adam. I mean, please let there be some light.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Some light.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
My stepdad, Elliott, had a great surgery. He's out, So
I'm sending lots of love.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
You wanted to say Happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
I love their way, and happy birthday to bodies Indie.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
You are true love.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
It's so fun to be on the journey with you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
So okay, yes, love it.

Speaker 8 (01:23:28):
I know that you mentioned doc shows, but we can
also talk about podcasts, and I think there's something interesting
you have on Wednesday happening.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Oh yeah, Idaho massacre. We can totally talk about that.
We can definitely unpack some of the new developments and
some of the teases for season three. We hope you'll listen.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Yeah, maybe some guests that you've got or because I
don't even know, like some fancy snancy guests that you've got.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Oh my goodness, I can't wait to discuss it. Might see,
I can't wait to discuss it. Yes, so and again
more in these sealed documents. We'll be unpacking those all week.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
To go over with you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Yeah, oh well, I know you feel as though we
haven't even scratched the surface. We were thinking about doing
a twenty four hour show.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
What do you think? Who's in? Who's with me? It's
just me like I'm ready, profusely smoking at my desk,
reading documents of ashes, hanging out.

Speaker 8 (01:24:19):
You know true detective friends Cynthia from Canada, she can
get on board.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
We get a whole team of people to work.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
With this exactly. She'd be great, she'd be so good
our True Crime crew. Thank you for listening and for
keeping all the pinions coming. We want more of them.
Please stay safe tonight, have a wonderful evening, and we'll
be back tomorrow live. And if you've missed any of
the podcasts, please don't sweat it. Just catch us, you know,
miss any of the live show, catch us as a

(01:24:47):
podcast right after.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
And we will be back tomorrow. We'll see you then.

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This is true Crime Tonight, talking true crime all the time.

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