Erik Menendez Denied Parole and Bryan Kohberger’s Latest Prison Complaints

Journalist and Menendez brothers expert Robert Rand joins to give an inside look at Erik Menendez’s 8/21 parole hearing. Also: the case of Kylee Monteiro and Bryan Kohberger’s latest prison complaints, including recently released body cam footage. Tune in for all the details.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. Oh man, we
are talking true crime all the time. It is Thursday,
August twenty first, and I have to tell you our
show just went out the window.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
There is breaking news happening right now.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
We have been following the Menandez brothers and their journey
to parole for months and months, certainly since the show began.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
And as you may or may not.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Know, Eric Menendez had his parole healing long awaited by
the way. You know, let's just set the stage for
a moment. The family of both parents want them to
be released. They are said to have been perfect citizens
behind bars. They have families and relationships that are positive
outside of the prison. And the idea was that maybe

(01:08):
they were overcharged because new information came to the forefront
and as a result, there was a real feeling that
they were about to go home. And as we come
on the air tonight, Eric Menndez has been denied parole denied,
which is a shock and there is so much to

(01:28):
unpack around this, the history of them, and also just
what that means next for Lyle who's up tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
What was the reason that this was denied?

Speaker 2 (01:39):
And I have to say it, it is a surprise
and likely outside of public opinion. You'll remember, this was
one of those cases that had a resurgence very recently
because of the documentary that was out, the scripted show
called Monsters by Ryan Murphy that really swayed the American
TikTok influencer community to get.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Really raw about it. And just like this, they have
been denied. So here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
This is the guy, Robert Rand, the journalist who was
actually the guy who was there.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Since day one.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
In fact, the letter that is at kind of the
center of this is really through Robert Rand. We've have
been on the show before. His brain must be collapsing
right now. I know he has been real time in
all of this all day, and we're so grateful to
have you here. Listen, Robert, welcome to the show. I
wish under much better circumstances. I know you're shell shocked

(02:37):
and we absolutely want to hear your immediate opinion.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Good evening. I am disappointed. But I'm not surprised totally.
It's very, very difficult for an inmate to appear before
a full aboard in any shape for the first time. Statistically,
inmates are denied, they are not recommended for parole the
first time they appear before a shape ord and that's

(03:01):
what happens today.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Pretty much never, right, So this was said to be
the exception to the rule.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
And you know, for those who are not aware, in
nineteen eighty nine, both brothers were you know, convicted of
murdering their parents. But what we didn't know at the
time is their origin story perhaps the reason for this,
which was hideous. Right, So we know that mister Menendez,
their father, Jose Menendez, he really was, you know, doing

(03:29):
incredibly terrible things to them that was inadmissible in their
original trial. And now that information has come forward, and
I think it's a clear distinction, and correct me if
I'm wrong, Robert. The idea is, had their origin of
sexual abuse been brought into their original trial, they likely
would have brought up on manslaughter charges and not this

(03:52):
like never ending sentence that they seem to be under now.
And if that were the case, they would have served
their time. They're not looking for a free pass. They're
just saying we have served the time for an appropriate
charge which we weren't given, given that, you know, all
of the publicity around them at that time in the

(04:14):
late eighties.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Is that accurate?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, let me get a few backstraight, because it's been
actually since nineteen ninety three when the brothers were first
on trial. The first trial of the brothers, they were
allowed put on quite a bit of abuse evidence. The
defense put on almost sixty witnesses and there were two juries,
one for each brother because some of the evidence only
applied to one brother or the other brother, and so

(04:39):
half of those jurors actually voted for manslaughter in the
first trial. At the end of the first trial, two
mistrials were declared, and then we fast forward to the
second trial that started eight days after the OJ verdict.
And that was a case of very unfortunate timing because
obviously a lot of people were unhappy with the OJ verdict, right,

(05:01):
and Eric alam Mendez just happened to be the next
high profile case.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
And by the way, in Hollywood, right, so OJ was
this you know, incredibly insider Hollywood, Brentwood, California. Fancy people,
fast cars that was the time, right, that was the case.
So to come on the heels of that, as you
know Beverly Hills bel Air boys that probably had great influence.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Sure, I mean the the public in general. The majority
of the public was shocked by the OJ urdick, I believe,
and the Menanda's brothers just had a case of really
bad timing to start their retrial a days after the
OJ verdict. OJ was liitting and so we've.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Lost Robert mid sentence.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
But just to go back to that, because I know
we were doing a little bit of setup prior, and
Robert will be calling back in listen. He's everywhere right now,
He's on CNN.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
This is breaking. This is literally just real time.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
We're like six minutes out of this being announced in
the press. So this is someone who's been in it
from day one. But it's a really controversial case. One
of the things that I thought was so incredibly interesting.
Body And by the way, I'm stephan Ulai Decker.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
I'm here with Body Move and we jumped right through it.
And Hi, oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Courtney Armstrong is out this evening, TAHA producer and Robert
of course will be with us breaking down these big developments,
and we want to hear from you eight at eight
to three one crime.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Please join us, Robert. I'm so glad you're back.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
I'm back. It's been a busy day and.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
You're probably so you can only imagine and thank you
for being with us. We are so grateful to hear
from you again. So you were saying, so, I was saying.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
So. The two juries in the first trial heard a
completely different set of evidence, right, because in the second
trial trial Judge Stanley Weisberg reversed almost all of his
evidence rulings from the first trial. So in the first trial,
the defense was allowed to put on almost sixty witnesses
that told a very detailed story about abuse, and half

(07:13):
of the jurors, mostly all the women from each of
the two juries, voted for manslaughter, and the first trial
ended with two mistrials. Be declared. What happened in the
second trial was Jege Weissberg reversed most of his evidence rulings,
and so the single jury in the second trial third
a completely different set of evidence, and you know that

(07:35):
was unfortunate. The defense was only allowed to put on
twenty five witnesses, and those witnesses were severely limited in
what they could say on the witness then, and so
the final death blow for the defense in the retrial
was that the attorneys were not allowed to argue in

(07:55):
perfect self defense as they had argued at the end
of the first trail. And so basically the jury had
to decide between either convictioning the brothers of firstly murder
or acquitting them. And the resolution of this case should
have been a manslaughter conviction. Eric lytell Nedas still would

(08:19):
have served twenty two years in state prison for a
manslaughter conviction. They've now been incarcerated for thirty five years,
and time for this case to end. You know, they
should be sent home to their family. They've been certainly
severely punished. Six and a half years in the La
County jail, twenty nine years in state prison and enough.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
And by the way, I think that's a really interesting distinction.
I think we need to unpack this because even I
was surprised and was corrected on this myself. It's not
as though Eric and Lyel Menendez are looking for a
free pass. It's not like, hey, we had a scripted
show about us called Monsters that was on FX by
Ryan Murphy. They've had a documentary that was incredibly moving

(09:05):
by an incredible company. Campfire is the production company.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
I believe right.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Robert I was actually interviewed in the Campfire and Netflix documentary,
but I executive produced a documentary that came out on
Peacock in May of twenty twenty three. And that documentary
is called Menanda's Plus Nudo Boys Betrayed and it revealed
the various connection between the Menanda's case and the boy

(09:34):
band Menudo. And I'm sure all your listeners might be
going huh at the moment, but we have a three
episode documentary, three one hour episode that really has very
surprising new evidence. And the day after our documentary careered
in May of twenty three, the attorneys for Eric Malamnandez

(09:56):
called a Avias corporate based on new event that was
revealed in the documentary and also other new evidents. That
was a letter that Eric Menders had written to his
cousin Andykano eight months before the killing of Cosse and Kitting,
And in that letter, Eric complained about the ongoing sexual

(10:18):
abuse pleasure father.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
And by the way, you're a documentary on Peacock, by
the way, that blew the socks off of it. Right,
because it was no longer a story about two brothers.
There was now a corroborating pale from a menudo you know,
band member early outside of the thing exactly. You know this,
you know again, you know this was the music business.

(10:40):
The Menudo boy was also you know, a member of
a very popular band. He too came forward and said
he too had been sexually heross. So it corroborated the story.
And then this letter time stamps it also is that accurate?

Speaker 4 (10:55):
That's correct? And you know what gets you out of
prison after thirty five years to being incarcerated is hard evidence,
and that's what will be revealed in the documentary. A
buzzy TV show is great. I'm grateful that Ryan Murphy
made Monsters and raised awareness about the case to the
huge audience that Netflix has. And I'm also grateful to

(11:19):
Gampire and Netflix for the documentary up the case that
came out about a month after Monsters last October. But
as I just said, hard evidence is what really matters
in court, and last month Judge William Ryan from the
Supere Court who's based downtown LA he ruled that he

(11:40):
thought the defense attorneys had a potential case for that
this new evidence could have made a difference in the
outcomes of the brothers trials in the nineteen nineties.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
And of course, and again, had they been tried, maybe
with the totality of the information, they would have served
their time and by the way, served their time as
model prisoners.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's kind of the rub.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
On the one hand, it's like, look, some people are saying,
this is not trial by podcast, in documentary or you know,
fancy TV show, this is the law. The other side
of that, which I think could get lost in the sauce,
is that these gentlemen have served far more than maybe
they should have should they have been convicted on the

(12:26):
manslaughter trial. So I think that's where it gets a
little confusing and sometimes divisive. It's not as though they're
looking to get a free pass because of the TV
show that they did or the documentary that they did
with you. They're simply saying, we served our time. Let
us be with our family.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Right Well, when we come back, we're going to continue
this discussion about the Menenda's brother's parl hearings with our
expert Robert Rand. Keep it right here, Tree trying tonight.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
The most breaking news real time as we were going
on air. The Menendez brothers, as we've talked about, were
up for parole. Eric Menendez. His hearing was today and listen,
many assumed that he would.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
He would do really well.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Because they've served thirty five plus one day years behind bars,
it's been speculated that there's new information that has been
brought to the surface. If you're just joining the conversation.
They were convicted of killing their parents in nineteen eighty nine,
and since then there's now this origin story of sex
abuse that has been brought to light, both by another victim,

(13:39):
one of the members of the Menudo's Brothers, and also
this letter that goes back, you know, decades ago, which
does basically narrate some of these truths. Right that they
were being sexually abused by d was predated, and it
was predated, and that information was really withheld by the
final trial where they were sentenced for so so long.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
So here they are. They've served a very.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Long time behind bars by all accounts of exemplary citizens.
There was a documentary about it, also a scripted series
about it. Two documentaries, the Peacock documentary, the Netflix documentary,
the Netflix scripted series of Actionable Stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
And today's a bit of a shocker.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
We have Robert Brand, who is the person who has
been following this case since absolutely day one.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
He was there today, by the way, so he has
been on the letter.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
He's the guy who found the letter that is essentially
the smoking gun in this case.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
So it's a divided one. And by the way, even
I was divided about this and I turned the other way,
and I really shook in this exact moment. We want
to hear from you guys. Eight a eighty three to
one crime. In fact, Boddy and I have a caller
on the line. Hi, Bear, Welcome to the show. What's
her question?

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Oh well, first of all, I'm pretty upset. You know,
I can't believe they would let him go. Does that
mean that's over for him?

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Great question, that's such a good question. So right before
we came on air, I went and looked because I
don't know either, you know what I mean, Like, I
don't know. But apparently with parole now denied, Eric's attorneys
can petition for a board review. Okay, and Bear, thank
you for the call. We really appreciate it exactly. They
can a petition for a board review arguing possible errors

(15:29):
in the decision. So there is and there is like
an appeal process. Okay, if the board splits, the case
would go before the full parole Board right at one
of its monthly sessions for like a final ruling. Now,
once the final ruling is done, then I think they
have to wait for the new parole session, which could
be like two years. And it's a slow, painful pers

(15:53):
I'm understanding, and that's accurate, and that's my understanding as well.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
So you and I are in the same page. If
anyone knows differently, please do let us know. Robert Brandt,
who was just with us, he's being thank you bear.
He's being pulled to it honestly, real time on CNN
and NBC in all the places.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
So he'll be back with.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Us shortly, but we'll ask him that question because apparently
what we're learning is that these types of parole hearings
very I mean very to never happen as a yeah,
high five the first time. It is very rare for
a parole healing like this to go, you know, super smoothly.
It takes many, many attempts, and you know, listen, they've

(16:33):
cited some interesting stuff, I mean, their cell phone usage
behind bars.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Was like a big ticket item.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Is that a technicality that they're trying to hold these
gentlemen to or is that valid that maybe they had
they were using the phone wrong or illegally air quotes
behind bars. You know, that was the big infraction that
was maybe being cited. I have to assume this is
a little bit political. I'm so curious. What are your

(17:01):
instant thoughts, Starry.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
You know, I'm very torn, you know, like I am
very torn, But I do believe in my heart of
hearts that if the letter had been admitted in the
second trial, that they would have gotten manslaughter for the father.
I could not agree with you more. But I don't
know about the mother.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Now, by the way, if it had a father, they
would have served maybe twenty two years, as Robert just said, right,
so up to maybe thirty two years. They've served far
more than that. So that's a very key distinction. And
then you bring up the mother. Give me more contacts.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
On my thing with the mother, And quite honestly, I'm
not I don't remember all that much. I mean, I
was like nineteen when this all happened, you know, and
I obviously have been following it, but I don't know
the specific details, but it's my understanding. You know that
she wasn't involved in the abuse, but she was kind
of maybe aware of it and just kind of turned

(17:57):
a blind eye to it. I don't know if that's
right or not, but for me, it feels like cold
blooded murder and that it's not manslaughter. For her, she
was like she was like crawling on the floor to
get away from them and listen.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
You and I have talked about this to nauseum and
I have said many times, Oh, wait, does everybody's origin
story behind bars get a relook? Because are they being
cherry picked because they've had the benefit of multiple documentaries?
Is this being you know, tried by you know media,
tried by pod podcasts? And we make documentaries. So I

(18:32):
think it's such an interesting, important conversation that we want
you to join eight eight ah three to one crime
or leave us a talk back on our iHeart Radio app.
But that's a meaningful thing.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
It is like me, what about the wife who you
know shot and killed her abuser husband of thirty years.
You know, she's still languishing in prison life without parole,
but there's no documentaries about her, there's no podcasts about her.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
However, one other alternate thought to that, which i you know, again,
I'm just playing devil's advocate because I've been to chatter
just reading the chatter about it. The other side to
that is, yes, they've gotten a lot of public outcry
for anyone who has not been following this. The Menandez
Brothers case happened back in nineteen eighty nine Beverly Hills,
bell Air, very fancy Hollywood, you know air quotes rich kids, right,

(19:21):
that murdered their parents. The story at the time, which
was like very eighties, giving me like you know, fast
cars and rolexes, et cetera, was that they murdered their
parents for cash.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
For freedom first, that's when I.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Make money, you know, there was That was how it
was covered, those real the optics, right, they got so
much press. It was one of the main stories on
the news at all times. And as Robert Brand the
journalist has been covering it from day one mentioned earlier,
this was also on the heels of the OJ Simpson trial. Also,
we're talking Brentwood, bell Air, Hollywood. These were like, you know,

(20:00):
rich affluent people doing very hideous things. Is it possible
that the optics of their time being such a swell,
is it appropriate? Because yeah, now there's another swell happening
for them. TikTok caught onto it now thirty five plus
years later, and they were like, no, no, no, I'm
not feeling this.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
They should be free. There was a swell, there was,
There wasn't social media swell for them to be freed,
and I think honestly that didn't really happen until the
Ryan Murphy the series.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Right there was the Peacock Doc, which was riveting because
it included let's.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Go to our caller. We have another callering it it
hi caller.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
Hi, guys, this is Riley.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Hi, Riley, welcome to the show. What's your question? Hi?

Speaker 5 (20:48):
I was just about the Menindez brothers.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
I just want to get you guys.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Opinion on like where we draw a line with rehabilitation
and recovery, because I understand that these guys have really
turned their lives around in prison, and we hear all
the time, you know, they're model prisoners, they're really acting
well in prison. But I feel like, obviously someone's going
to act well in prison. You're under surveillance and intense

(21:14):
routine and everything.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
And I really do believe in restorative.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Justice and rehabilitation.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
But at the.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Same time, there are millions and millions of people who
have become victims to abuse and did not act the
way that the Menindez brothers did. So what do you
guys think we can do to provide these people an
opportunity to recover and be rehabilitated without giving them an excuse?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Question Riley, great voice, by the way, Yes, I mean
I think.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
That's that's the that is the crux, right that you
just nailed.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
I think the justice we're right now, we don't thinking
right now, what do you think Boddy's pearl?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I don't know, Like I'm very torn. Like on one hand,
I think they should let out. I think that they
should have gotten manslaughter, But then I keep going back
to Kitty the mother right, well that I look, oh,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
No, if Kitty was and I'm projecting right now, this
is based on nothing other than what I've heard and
what I've read and what I've been told. Essentially, if
mom knew about the abuse and turned the other cheat,
is that certainly we're not talking about is that worthy
of murder? Obviously that's like way next level, right, So

(22:31):
I can't even relate. But that is criminal in some way.
If you have two young boys who are being subjected
to sexual abuse and you're aware of it in choosing
not to help, I could see how that could cause rage.
But look, this was also, by all accounts, premeditated. It
wasn't a spontaneous event. They decided, as they said in court,

(22:54):
that this.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Was the day. Today is the day. It's like a
killing day.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
It was planned, and so certainly they didn't they didn't
particularly feel back into a corner.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Righty. It's a great question. And more on that to kem.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Thank you so much for calling, and yeah, keep the
questions coming everyone.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
We really want to hear your opinions. Yeah, Colin, give
us a call eight to eight thirty one. Crime, you know,
and I you know, rehabilitation is such a big deal.
I mean, that's why we have prison, right exactly. It's
obviously the punish people for the crime, and the punishment
is that you're removed from society. But we obviously want
to reintegrate people into society because they you know, they
rehabilitate in prison, and for all we know and from

(23:34):
what we understand, they really have been great citizens in prison.
They got educated, They got educated, the created programs to
help elderly people in prison, like you know, survive and whatnot.
And they've gotten prison guards to write letters of recommendation
for them. You know, they have been model prisons. And
here's the thing. Their attack was so targeted to their

(23:56):
abuse that I don't think that the state of California
or citizens are in any danger of them when they
get out, unless they've been kind of like institutionalized somehow
from being in prison more than half their life. Right now,
they're institutionalized, and they come out and they were totally crazy,
then we're in trouble But I don't think that's the
case here.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
And we also know from all sides, both mom and dad,
who they killed, by their own admission, that both parents, family, sisters, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins,
everybody is going before the court to say we want
the boys men released, that they are not a danger
for society. In fact, you know, Kitty Mom, you bring

(24:37):
up Mom, her sister is really outspoken and saying I
need to see my family together again. This is fractured
an entire generation. And because they've been so stand up,
they have served their time, they've acknowledged their guilt.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Is that appropriate? Right? Well, this is all very interesting.
Coming up next we have eighteen year old Kylie Monteiro's
boyfriend has pled guilty to her murder. Will unpack the
details of that case and later the shocking claims Austin
Drummond has been making from jail. What a night.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
By the way, we had a whole show planned and
it is out the window, but there was a California
board denied parole for Eric Menandez just seconds before we
came to air.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
And it's pretty staggering.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Remember Lyle Menendez, the other brother, is up next tomorrow,
so they're going to back to back pearoles. Does this loss?
Does that foreshadow yet another one? We also know that,
you know, these types of pearole hearings always go this way.
It's very rare for it to be a high five.

(25:55):
Let's go up at first bat. However, I could imagine
for the Menendez others who were once said to be
home for the holidays, remember back when they were going
to be back for Thanksgiving. That was breaking news back
in November. There was big uproar after their documentaries had aired.

(26:15):
There's an incredible one on Peacock that actually basically says
there's another victim, a Manudo member of a Menudo band member.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Who also robbery. By the way, I think we're kind
of like, exactly, we're kind of completely glossing over how
big the Minudo break was, thank you exactly. I mean
for real, like that was massive because it corroborated everything
Lyle and Eric had been sending, even outside the letter. Correct,
it was an additional layer of this was really happening,

(26:47):
and it happened to me too, right exactly, Now, the
guy in Menudo has no connection really to Eric and
Lyle rather than Dad. They weren't like hanging out, right,
They weren't friends. They weren't buddies. It's not like they were,
you know, trying trying to get the friends out of
prison or anything like that. There's no connection. No.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
In fact, you know Jose Mendez, who was a very
prominent figure in the music business, you know, he had
this cross section with the Menudo band or you know,
it was a boy band at the time. And yeah,
for that to be revealed years later, and again we
had Robert Brandt on the show and he he made
the doc right that basically breaks this information that there

(27:29):
was in fact a rape claim by you know, one
of these Menudo boys who basically says that corroborates the
story of Kyle and I mean Lyle and Eric Menendez.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
So what do we make of that?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I don't know why I keep putting their names together,
do I'm all kinds of riled up.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
You also keep saying brand it's Robert Rand. Oh you do,
but you're having one of those. It's been a c
We're kind of frazzle, you know what I mean? So
Robert Rand, yeah, I know you and you know not
doing it, I will say.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
So hopefully Robert Rand will be back with us because
again he's being pulled into a million different directions.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
But real time, Boddy, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (28:09):
Well?

Speaker 3 (28:09):
And I just want to say, like, thank you Robert.
I mean, I'm he's so gracious to give us even
the time he did, because he literally is the guy
I think. I don't know, people understand if it wasn't
for Robert Rand, I don't know that we would even
be having this conversation right now, correct, Right? So, like
he's you know, very he's he's going to be on CNN,

(28:30):
He's going to be on news nation. He's going to
be on like every court, every news show in the morning,
every new show. He's probably gonna be on Good Morning America.
I'm not I don't know for sure, but I'm just
saying he's such an important piece of the menendous history,
you know, and even the current history. He's close with
the family. He he's the one who discovered this letter.
He he was literally in court on day one of

(28:52):
the first trial. That's how long he's been invested in
this case and reporting on this case. He's a journalist,
and so like, thank you so much for giving us
your time, because we know how frazzled he must be
right now. And I'm feeling frazzled and I'm not even Robert. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
You know, it's pretty divisive, and it's emotional because you
could imagine for the for them, the Menendez brothers, they
were you know, probably resigned to the life that they had.
And you know, we saw today at this parole hearing
that Eric Menendez is I wonder your stepdaughter, his wife, Tammy.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Tammy.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
They came forward and they testified in a very compelling way.
You know, in some way, the last mile is the hardest, right,
so you know, maybe you give up hope and then
once you have hope, it's got to be a tough
blow because suddenly, you know, I don't know what the
words are exactly. You know, this is all happening in
real time, but it's got to be like a yo

(29:50):
yo complicated.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Do we know like specifically why was denied? Has that
been released? No?

Speaker 2 (29:57):
There was like you know, there was mention of these
phone in frat shas' as if that was you know,
by all accounts. Again, we've you know, said it earlier.
You know, they've been extraordinary prisoners. You know, they've gotten
their education, they've given it back, they've paid it forward,
they've acknowledged their guilt, They've led very important lies.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
They have love in their lives.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
They have families surrounding them, even though they're in a
scenario where there are no conjugal.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Physics, et cetera. They have true love. You know.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
You know, one of them, their wife went to law
school so that she can become an advocate for him.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
I mean that's like above and beyond. So it's complicated.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
And again this doesn't mean that everyone doesn't have another
version of a story that makes their life behind bars
and reelving.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Of like the love and whatnot. Eric's stepdaughter, Sorry, my
dog is very sick. Still He's okay, I took them
to the vet, but he's still very sick. So but
that I read Talia, who is Eric Menandez's step daughter.
She was on Instagram today and saying that she was
anxious and praying. I mean, even his stepdaughter is like

(31:13):
a massive advocate for him, right, and they're not even related, right,
this is his stepdaughter. I don't know. I just thought
that was really kind of sweet, you know, And I
in my heart, my heart goes out to the aunt too,
who is like probably just wanting to see them. But
you know, all hope is not lost. And by the way,
what does this mean for Lyle Tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
What does this mean for Lyle Tomorrow? So you know,
if you guys have been following this case closely, we
really want to hear from you because this is one
that has brought kind of been brought into the spotlight,
as you know, well according to you know, the current
district attorney. He is saying, like, listen, we are not
trying things by podcast in documentary and you know, scripted

(31:54):
TV show just because there's a swell of enthusiasm about
a case because of a deeper dive by viewers. That
doesn't necessarily change the justice system. And I'm curious, does it?

Speaker 3 (32:09):
I I, where do you? Where?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Do?

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Where? Does everyone sit with that? We want to get
a little meta with it.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
As people who make we do ask in documentaries, we
ask ourselves this question all the time. So we're not
looking to move the needle in any direction. We're trying
to remain unbiased, but we don't expect you to be unbiased.
So make sure you come on and give us your
opinion real time now eighty eight three one crime.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, do so we're talking about the Menendoz brothers. What
do you think? Like, how do you feel about this?
What do you think it means for Lyle Tomorrow? Do
you think do you think Eric should have been given parole?
Like what do you want to say? Give us a
call eighty eight thirty one crime or leave us a
talk back on the Hart Radio app. So, yeah, what
does it mean for Lyle Tomorrow? I wonder, like I
wonder if Lyle is just like man, I don't know

(32:55):
why if I'm even going to bother now, But they
have to take each case separately, right, Like, they have
to consider Lyle's behavior in prison, right, because you were
saying there were some phone infractions. With the phone infractions,
those were eric though, right, Okay, does.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Everybody not have a phone in prison? I'm from when
I'm told it's not a complicatedting, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
I know that, I know what I'll do. I know
people do they get burner phones. I don't know. There's
a high stakes case happening.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I'm not by the way, I'm not justifying having confiscated
a phone. I'm just saying you can call upon infractions
if you choose to, and you're the current district attorney.
By wait, some interesting stuff, right, like, So, just to
bring anybody up to speed. In California, these guys are
being held in San Diego by way together. It's very

(33:43):
rare for barthers to be serving time at least in
the same facility.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
So they've had each other, but only until only until
recently though, like only within the last ten years or
so though, right, Yeah, for ten years is a pretty
significant amount of time. Right.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
So, since they've seen each other and you know, their
families are really urging for their you know, removal from prison.
We know that, and they have had each other, but
it's also rare to be back to back in hearings
like this. They were almost being tried together, but yet
now they're being parrolled separately.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
It's so well implicated. Their first wasn't their first. Their
first hearing they had, they had a jury for each
one cost the second one they were tried together exactly,
so this kind maybe that's why the Pearle hearing is
kind of like back to back.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Maybe it's interesting though, because they're being probably held to
the exact same standard. So if you guys aren't familiar,
which who's who with the Eric versus the Lyle of
it all?

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Which one is older? Lyle is the older one?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
So Eric, Yeah, Eric, Eric infamously is the one that
basically broke down to his then psychiatrist slash therapist, and
that sort of triggered, you know, ultimately their arrests, and
and they were separated and then kind of put together.
And what kind of became known was that dad was sexually.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Abusing them and there was.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Rage attached to that, and allegedly mom was looking the
other way, and they were murdered. And then the boys
went on some sort of spending spree and it was
very severally hills.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
But that was kind of inflated, though, wasn't it? Because
I remember back in the day, I'm putting myself back
a nineteen year old body, right, I remember it was portrayed.
I remember it was portrayed as like they were buying
Porsches and Jake exactly exact rolixes and whatnot. But my
understanding is that they spent like twenty grand and that
was it? Is that right?

Speaker 2 (35:43):
And it was it was sort of sensationalized, which is
why I find it so ironic because the same argument
applies on both sides, which I'm learning myself because I've
been really divided about this. Also on the one hand,
were they convicted or over convicted or overcharged because of
this like popularity and swell and media attention and banana'sness.

(36:06):
How ironic that years later the same media attention is
what is up for conversation.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Now, right? And remember the OJ thing that I think
that's huge. So I would say OJ was tried in
Santa Monica, that's right, And that's basically the same area
of the California that the Menanda's brothers were tried in
and the DA suffered a massive loss. Okay, a massive

(36:32):
You guys don't understand if you're new to true crime
or maybe you're not. You know, you weren't born yet.
The OJ thing was such a massive, big deal. I
lived in California at the time. I remember it. OJ
was driving down the five in my city. Nicole Brown,
Nicole Brown season went to my high school, so like,
you know, right, so she went to your high school.

(36:53):
She did. David did not know this. May she rest
in peace. I know the did DA suffered. I can't
underscore the massive loss. They needed this win, so I
kind of feel they did everything they could to make
sure they got what they wanted fair enough. I just
feel that way. I want to follow up on that
because this current DA doesn't really agree. He's like hard no,

(37:17):
he's actually never given any indication since he took over
the last guy who was like really fighting for it,
he lost, and you know, some say he was fighting
for it because the shows were so popular and that
might put him in the limelight, therefore he would win.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
But the new this new guy is not feeling all woof,
and that means I don't know what we want to
hear from you.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah, give us a call eight to eight thirty one
crime or hit the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. And
what a night it is off to I feel like
you're in a legit newsroom right now. Yeah, it's been.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
It's wild because I feel a little divided and conflicted.
I'm totally surprised and at the same time I'm surprised.
I am I'm not surprised. I mean, I get all
sides of this one. This is a complicated one. So
please jump in join the convo. Eight aed eight to
three to one crime. Eric Menendez who he and his
brother Lyle who was set for parole hearing tomorrow. Eric's

(38:12):
was today and you know, of course they were serving
time behind bars for murdering their parents. Sexual abuse was
brought to the forefront and he was denied. He was denied,
And I got to say, I think there's a swell
of people who are who are surprised.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Right, we have a DM. Can I go ahead and
read it? Yes? Please do. This is to our social
media from Alicia on the Menendez brothers. That letter that
was found. I wonder when that letter was sent to
the cousin if it was a Hey, if we're going
to do this, let's cover our tracks by preparing this letter.
That's really interesting, and you know what, I would say,

(38:52):
that is actually probably something that needs to be considered. However,
the Menudo thing, the Menudo thing, came out much later,
and I feel like it really kind of is cemented
that it was the truth right exactly. The only thing
is if the Menudo if the Menudo thing again, if

(39:12):
if you're not familiar, he there's the boy band Menudo.
They were incredibly popular back then, like extremely popular, and
he one of the band members came forward and said
that Jose Menendez was also abusing him, so basically he
cooperated it. So if it wasn't for that, then I
would think that would have a lot more validity. But

(39:35):
I do believe it to be accurate exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And it seemed as though initially it was Eric Menendez
who was being sexually abused by dad, mom Kitty looked
the other way. Then we learned later that Lyle, the
younger brother, also you know, being abused by Dad. He
ultimately confesses to a therapist, last psychiatrist. That person becomes

(39:59):
the whistle below or that basically blows open this case.
And was it divine terrible timing late eighties when OJ
nine O two one zero Beverly Hills affluence over you know,
over influenced kids who are given too much money in freedom?

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Was that the story?

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Or were they victims of abuse who were mischarged and
therefore there what would have been a manslaughter charge which
probably had a sentence of about twenty two to thirty years.
Would that have been appropriate if all the totality of
information was allowed in their last prial or did they

(40:39):
murder their parents and this is appropriate? And just because
they had a lot of public attention, should their parole,
you know, kind of be affected by that.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
It's a really good question.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
You know, we had you know, Robert rand earlier, I
said brand earlier, and I apologized, I got like hot
under listen, we've been a.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Little frazzled ourselves. Oh it's fine.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
You know, it's like I'm turning Lyle and Kyle into benefit.

Speaker 7 (41:08):
But you know, listen, going to jump in and tell
you real quick. Robert just texted and said, unfortunately he
got pulled away. Of course you won't be able to
join us for the rest of the conversation, but he said,
I would love to be back on Monday.

Speaker 6 (41:21):
Fill us in on what happens with.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Lyle tomorrow, that'd be great.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
So we're going to have the inside scoop with him.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
First, he adorned him, We adore him.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
And by the way, just to kind of paint a picture,
he was going to be here for the night talking
about this case in anticipation of there being an answer
any no universe. Were we anticipating this breaking news to
happen seconds before air. So of course Robert's being pulled
in a million directions.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Right, So keep it right here True Crime tonight we're
going to be diving into all the new headlines and
possibly talking about some other cases we don't know. We're
up in the air right now, y'all. Keep it right now, cry,
We're talking true crime all the time. I'm eighty eight
thirty one crime. What a night this has been.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
You know, we had a show prepared that frankly just
had went out the window all together.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
New developments off the coffering. Now, yeah, this is we're
winging it at this point in it.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
We are winging it and yeah, but it's like this
is what it's all about, right, So we were not
expecting the Eric Mendez parole hearing to go as sideways
a that it did. They got denied, He got denied.
Lyle Menandez is up tomorrow, so of course we'll be
discussing that on Sunday and on Monday. Robert rand the

(42:46):
journalist who has been here from day one following this case.
He was in the trial day one, when they were
when they first had their trial, and then the second
trial and then the third trial and the parole hearings,
and he's been in the insider. So he'll be back
with us on Monday to sort of unpack these developments,
and I'm sure we'll have plenty to say of them
what happens tomorrow, So we'll be following that very closely. Also,

(43:09):
of course, Brian Coburger at it again, new updates.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Okay, listen, can we just agree from this point forward,
remember you were calling, We're saying FBK I came up
with a new one. So some more complaints have been released.
So I'm calling him Brian karen Berger. He is the
biggest Karen I've ever met. Okay, Brian karen Berger. That
is his name now to all the.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Karens that must be so mad to be associated. But
like the pretend Karen, like the Wonk wonk Karen, the
wh Yeah, okay, fair so no no disrespect any of Karen, no,
of course, but the character Karen, Yes, he is a
whiny pants.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
He is.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
He's a little bit. He's a little bit of a whiner.
And you know, well, we'll get to it. We'll get
to it. But you know now right now, if it's okay, yes,
a talk back yesterday, great, and she asked us to
look into this, this case of Kylie. Oh yeah, the
Rhode Island case. Of course, she was in Rhode Island.
The caller was the talkback person, and she asked us

(44:13):
to look into the case of Kylie Monteiro, who was
a pregnant girl woman I should say, I'm sorry. She
was eighteen years old in Massachusetts. And so that's what
we did. Yeah, So this is the spirit of the show.
If you want us to talk about something and start
following a case, give us a call eighty eight thirty
one crime or leave us a talk back and guess

(44:34):
what it's going to be on the show. We're going
to research it, we're gonna start talking about it, we're
gonna start following it. That's the show. Okay, so you
haven't gone to the case since the show. Yeah, so exactly.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
So just for the record, you know, something like that
pops up and then the rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah it's real. Yeah yeah, so it's exciting. So yes,
tell us everything. So please discover the remains of a
pregnant Massachusetts teen at her boyfriend's home after he confessed
to stabbing her. Oh this poor girl, so Kylie Monteiro.
She's eighteen years old. She's from real booth and I
don't know if I'm saying that right, Massachusetts, and she

(45:12):
was an expectant mother. She confided in friends and family.
Get this, Stephanie. She confided in friends and family that
she felt unsafe with her boyfriend. His name is Gregory Groom. Okay.
Shortly before she went missing on August seventh, she told
her friends and family, I don't feel safe around him.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
He's like maybe giving her a feeling of bad the
way she's pregnant, which is his baby baby.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Oh right, so two weeks late, two weeks go by.
On August nineteenth, authorities discovered her remains at Groom's residence
after he confessed to stabbing her, and he led investigators
to wear her body unburied, people out in her yard.
What so this guy, and he hasn't given a reason,
but he basically he basically kills his love and his baby.

(45:58):
Does the baby survive? It was eleven weeks okay, so
now she was and buries her in the backyard. Yeah,
buries her in his backyard. So he was arrested. He
was arrested, obviously and charged with murder, assault and battery
and a pregnant victim, assault and battery on a family
or household member, and aggravated witness intimidation. I don't know

(46:21):
what does that mean. We're going to find out. While
prosecutors say that groom confessed to stat he basically said
he did it. He confessed to stabbing her multiple times
in the chest and neck, and even produced a hand
drawn map directing the police on where she was buried.
And she was buried. She was buried at his grandparents
like sprawling property. So his poor grandparents, his grandparents property.

(46:46):
Could you imagine your grandson buries his you know, Oh
my gosh, I can't imagine anything more grotesque. Get this.
This is so chilling, and oh my gosh, this poor
poor girl. In one of her communications, with her family.
Kylie sent a text message to her sister and it said,
my phone is at four percent if I die, it

(47:07):
was Greg.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Oh my goodness, what more could she have done? I'm
so sick of hearing this time and time again, with
these red flags raising the hand.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Getting a restraining order, which.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
You know, in many ways, in some places, counts for nothing,
and they're basically saying, I don't feel safe, and this.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Is the ending. This is the ending. So she, oh,
my gosh, I just got breaking news. What where? How
are you right in front of it? You should? They just,
of course you should. They just released body cam footage tonight.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
No, okay, we had to bounce to that right now. Really,
this is a crazy show. Welcome everybody to the craziest
show we've ever done. We are just flying blind and
we have to we can't.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
We have to watch it. I can't watch it. Play
it live? Taha? Can we buy it live? No, let's
hear me. Let me finish the story. It's hard for
me to concentrate. I know me too. I listen. I
just blocked out, divided, I just blacked out. Okay, back
to it, back to it. Groom contacted authorities on August eighth,
the day after she went missing, all right, and he

(48:17):
reported her missing. He said that she had been at
his house but left after they engaged in an argument
about whether or not she could stay with me. She
could stay with him. She's carrying his baby. Are you
hidding me? This is terrible. She had been staying at
a homeless shelter for pregnant woman. Oh my goodness, this guy,
and apparently she wanted to stay. Hey, I know so

(48:38):
because they were having relationship issues.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
This would have never happened to any of the general
we're surrounded by right now. This is awful. The guys, listen.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
The guy's house in this sh imagine would never, ever, ever, ever.
So Kylie had been staying in a homeless shelter for
pregnant woman for the past couple of weeks due to
the relationship issues that the two had been having, and
the night before her disappearance, Kylie texted her sister about
this physical altercation she and groom had, stating that she
or that he had thrown her on the ground, pulled

(49:08):
her hair and strangled her.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
What this is reminded me of Gabby Patito and Brian Laundry.
You know, minus the you know, being pregnant part. But yeah,
talk about asking for help, getting no help, and then
your life is ended, your unborn child gone in the wind,
and this clown buries you in the backyard out of
his grandparents. You know estate, right, I have made it

(49:31):
in a state. I don't know if it's just sounded
like there was a lot of land. It's like twenty
five acres?

Speaker 6 (49:36):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Oh? Okay? Say so? Officials conducted so the night before
she sent the text message. I think I told you
that that if she was about to die and if
something happened to her, it was him. And then officials
conducted a search of Groom's property on August fourteenth, but
they couldn't find anything. So on August nineteenth, he requested
another interview with police where he confessed. So he went

(49:57):
to the police and he confessed, so he would press
it must have been so much the guilty. Yeah, so
this is really really sad. So he confessed to stabbing
her twice in the neck and once in the chest,
and that's the stab wound in her chest broke off
the knife blade. Groom then detailed digging a hole to
dispose of her body. And you know once she was

(50:20):
about five feet deep apox constantly twenty yards from more
the stabbing took place. So she was stabbed outside you know, yeah,
my heart for her family. What a sickening I what
a sickening ending to what it could have been a
beautiful life? Right, I'm like, so this guy sounds like

(50:41):
a nut too?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Can throw Can we throw him in Section J or
you know, where's our boy coburger that he's having a
very hard time behind bars?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Can?

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Can they be buds? It's a horrific tale, and we're
so sorry. We're so sorry for her family. So a
probable call sharing is scheduled for September tenth, so it's
coming up. We are going to follow with it, of course,
to can we put that on the calendar? September tenth
is Groom's probable cause hearing?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
It would be amazing and appropriate. Yeah right, So just
so everybody knows too, what a probable cause here? Do
you guys even know what it is? So? Probable clause
hearing is where it's a legal process that determines whether
or not there's sufficient evidence to justify a trial. Yeah,
how could there not be sufficient evidence? And he buried
her in the backyard, and he confessed it's just the process.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
And she was pregnant and has people who love her
in a family.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
What a sicko?

Speaker 6 (51:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (51:37):
What is wrong with? What is wrong? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I feel so hot and bothered right now. I want
to get into a fight. If you want to join
us eight eight eight three one crime.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I don't want to fight you. We're not going to
fight each other. You know, We're going to band together
and be like a fight club.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Okay, are we a fight club right now that's going
to go out and fight for justice in a group
matching sweatshirts?

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Yeah? Yes, yes, I can pull anybody. Okay, I don't
know where to go next body, you're up? What do
we do? Listen? I also want to talk about Emily Long.
Have you guys heard about this at all?

Speaker 6 (52:15):
Of course, yeah, Phyllis because I've been popping.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Up Emily Long. She was thirty four years old, she
was married, they had the had children, and her husband
got diagnosed with cancer all right. She's a TikToker by
the way, all right, and he had been suffering from
a terminal form of brain cancer. She was documenting her
struggle with his diagnosis publicly on TikTok and the days

(52:39):
leading up to what I'm about to tell you, all right,
apparently it was pretty devastating this news. She's thirty four
years old, he's forty eight. They have two children, Parker
who is eight years old and Ryan, who is six
years old. By the way, totally adorable. There's what happened.
She's documenting herself on TikTok okay and she's talking about how,

(53:00):
you know, she spoke about her determination to overcome this
depression and create normalcy for her children, like it's so
important for her children to experience a normal childhood even
though their father has cancer, and that she's going to
make this happen. Days later, she shoots them all and

(53:21):
then kills herself. Horrific So a three year but there
was also a three year old child there who survived
the incident unharmed and is now in custody of family members,
thank god. By the way, it's just really sad. Authorities
are investigating and trying to determine the motive behind the killings.
You know, you know, they don't know if it's you know,

(53:45):
she didn't want to live without him, and you know,
raise two children without a father and have them experience
the sadness. We don't know yet. We just don't know,
but it's making a lot of headline news and whatnot,
so we thought it would be important to talk it's
real life mental health.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Yeah, really was happening behind the scenes there. Do you
guys know.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
How hard it is to get an appointment with a
therapist in this country. Yes, it's so difficult, let alone
to get one that's covered by health insurance. It takes
like I needed an appointment fairly recently, and I need
to wait months. I have months to wait months. So
let's talk about that.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
So that's another big piece by the way of this
community conversation. We are not mental health professions, but we
know them, we could get access to them, and I
think that's an important unpack. Again, this is a family
of four, we're losing one. Dad is already permanently ill.
What happened to lead up to this? It is so

(54:45):
unusual for a mother to take that, you know, to
kill your own kids.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Right right, So yeah, we're gonna we're gonna keep following
this and find out if there's any sort of indication
that she was suffering from something like officially or know
what happened. Our heartbreaks for the whole entire family and
the surviving chih what your mess?

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Thank god you say, but still like you know, way
to leave your you know, three year old behind right.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
It has been a crazy night. If you haven't heard already,
Eric Menandez has been denied parole at his hearing today,
his brother lyle his hearing is tomorrow. What does that mean?
And even as we're talking.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
To you right now, there's this harrowing, terrible bodycam footage
that is being released by law enforcement in the Idaho
student murders. We're seeing the bodycam footage real time as
surviving roommate and friends sort of are sharing their account
with law enforcement. And we're also getting this inside look

(55:48):
into the house. I'm not sure if we're supposed to
and I feel a little sick and a little mad
about it, to be honest, I'm not even sure if
we're supposed to be seeing this. It appears that one
of the surviving roommates is talking outside of the the
Moscow home where for incredible college students were murdered by

(56:09):
this psychopath and maniac, Brian Coberger. By his own admission,
let's say their names, Kallie Gonzalvez, Ethan Shapin, Madison Mogan,
and Xaner Kronodle, like, let their names knock it lost
in the sauce. Here, we're seeing this bodycm footage of

(56:29):
a frank in the morning and we're in the house.
I don't even know how to process this right now. Body,
I know, you're.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
You're, you're, you're on fire. Literally, No, I don't. I
don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know. Listen,
we just got it right, I don't know. We haven't
been able to watch it yet because obviously we're on
the show, but I just kind of scan through it
very quickly, and it it's, oh my god. It starts
out with it's everybody's outside, right, And it starts out

(57:00):
outside and you can hear Dylan. She's clearly frantic and
telling the police officers or she's recounting what happened. And
then this goes on for about three minutes and then
they move inside and I see Hunter by the ping
pong or by the beer pong table, and that's all
I've seen so far. So yeah, I don't I don't know.
We haven't been able to watch yet, but it's devastating.

(57:22):
We're definitely going to unpack this and I'm gonna watch
it when we're when we're done here, and we'll keep
it moving. But right now, this is just breaking. If
you want to watch it yourself, it is on YouTube.
The Long Crime Network has it on their YouTube channel,
and hopefully we will be able to talk about it
as soon as we're done watching it. So yeah, it's

(57:42):
just kind of insane. So right now, though I kind
of wanted to talk about some of the Coburger news,
this is not a lot, but they've released a couple
more complaints that he's made. Again, this is why I'm
calling him Brian karen Berger. Okay, so he's made a
couple more complaints and these are are they all have
and in the same timeframe, but we only got a
couple initially, and we've gotten a couple more now and

(58:05):
I'm going to read them to you again. His handwriting
is literally the worst thing ever, but I'm going to
read them to you. You're going to get so crazy.
Just by the way trigger alert. This is going to
make everybody nuts. I feel so enraged right now, and
that's a rare feeling for me. I'm not really the
enraged one. But really, you're very level headed, right, I'm

(58:26):
so wild. This was dated on the twenty seventh, and
he was still in medical on the twenty seventh. Okay,
so we need to keep all that in mind. Okay.
So this is written on the twenty seventh, and he says,
I need access to the JPay system to access and
complete an order created on I think it's crafted on

(58:46):
a full commissary menu. Comm's hungry. This clown is hungry.
He's just exhausted and hungry from killing people. This guy
wants his dinner and his lunch now. When attempting to
access JPay, I am given an error that I am
not set up in the system at the Sea Block. Again,
he's in medical at this time. Okay, at the Sea Block, Kiosk,

(59:10):
may I temporarily moved in the system to do so.
Thank you for your assistance. So that's all. That's one complaint. Okay.
The next one is, okay, I did not receive my
lunch on seven thirty. Oh my goodness, is he talking
about lunch right now? I hadn't eat lunch today either.

(59:31):
Guess what?

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Because I have a job and I'm working, and we
have busy lives and we're trying to contribute to the world.
This clown, you say, yeah, where's our lunch? Can we
just like, can we talk to somebody and send a
formal complaint. Where's the butler that's going to bring body
and eye our lunches?

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Yes? Please? If he would in prison or is he
in camp or at a spa. Well, here's the thing again,
I said this last night, and I kind of stand
by it a little bit. We have decided as a
civilized society that prison in jail and whatnot is punishment
for crimes. We have to feed them. We can't just
put them in prison and let them starve. We have

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to do them vegan meals, three meals a day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
You know, many accounts would suggest that one meal is
probably the best place for your body to be.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
In a state of greatness. You know, we're eating too
much as a society. So really, am I super concerned?

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
You know many stories we hear about people that we
know and care about that maybe are behind bars who
are not getting their meals on time or exactly as
planned or per their request. Yeah, because you're in prison,
and that's the system and now Brian Coburger, the celebrity prisoner,
is now putting in big requests.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
I say no, right, so let me I'm gonna startover, okay.
I did not receive my lunch on seven thirty, twenty
twenty five, despite inquiring. Although I understand that the something
became hectic, it was never communicated to me that I
would be unable to receive a new bag in the

(01:01:02):
next shift was not aware of this either, to I
wish to access.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
This as I have kindergarten. Is he actually asking for
a middle school lunch?

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
Do?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Well, that's what they give you. They give you like
a tray. It's like a yeah, I did what? Okay?
Just let me finish, okay, I because it's important that
you hear it. The way he writes it, and the
way he writes it is is key. Okay, this is okay.
I start over now. I did not receive my lunch
on seven thirty, twenty twenty five, despite inquiring. Although I

(01:01:33):
understand that the something became hectic, it was never communicated
to me that I would be unable to receive a
new bag it The next shift was not aware of
this either. I wish to access this as I have
a right to this meal. Thank you, And then it
says I have tried to solve this problem informally by

(01:01:56):
and then he says speaking with staff several times. And
then the next thing it says, I suggest the following
solution for the problem. And he says, in the future,
I wish to receive my lunch without exception. This could
be accomplished by sending for the replacement as rapidly as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
What a great solution. That's the whole Thank god you're
here right. Well, listen, I would suggest you don't murder
four people. I would tend go to prison and expect
your vegan meal the end exclamation point.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
That story is over right. And yesterday I read the
complaints that we had yesterday and he had said something like,
you know, if I don't receive everything on my tray,
you're not meeting the nutritial requirements as documented by your
own policy. And immediately immediately I was like, what I
wonder if you know the children or the young adults
that you murdered, you know, wonder about you violating their

(01:02:45):
policy for you know, the right to live and the
people that you arrassed to WOSU the policy of violating
title line media.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
How about being a total creeper and making everybody super uncomfortable.
And then you're taking the lives of four extraordinary human beings,
wrecking generations of lives by for all of their families,
all of those who knew them and loved them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
The ripple effect of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
That will go on for generations and generations and generations.
And this clown feels it's appropriate to be, you know,
upset about his meals, right, I gotta tell you the nerve.
It feels to me like it's not sinking in entirely
to Brian Cobroger, that he's not getting the fact that
he was spared his life and he took a coward's

(01:03:28):
way out by not sharing any of the details or
any of the information for reasons we'll never know. And
now he just you know, wants to be treated per
the law for prison conduct.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Give me a break, right, So, in addition to the
meal complaints, which I think, you know, I mean, listen,
I do think that we need to feed these people
and I'm starving. I am so sorry, I am so
hungry right now. I have missed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I had the lamest little you know era my gas
station food not do the trick today.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
If anybody's listening, I would really like some chicken taco.
Chicken taco sounds so good right now? Oh my god,
I went right now?

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
We should all be cooking together. Where's Courtney? She's the
best cook? Can we all be cooking together? Okay, sorry,
but you know, I mean I do think we need
to feed them right We put.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Orridge, porridge and broccoli only like raw broccoli. Do you
ever watch Big Brother? Of course I watch Big Brother.
The slop they get, yeah, they should, they should get
like porridge. Yeah, whatever that is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I don't know what porridge is, but it feels like
that's what Brian Coberger should be having.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Twice a day. I don't even know what porridge is.
I don't know it. It's what Oliver wanted. More of porridge? Please?
Can I have some mold please? Anyway? So yeah, that's
a that's the update on Brian Coberger. And you know,
I understand. Can we throw away the key? Can we
stop hearing from Brian Coburger? By the way, I I

(01:04:59):
I don't know what to do about the body cam
footage right now? How do we not talk about it
real time? We what do we do?

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Well, we should talk about it. Does anybody else? Can
somebody else watch it live? I assume you're watching it
real time. If any of you out there are watching
at real time, please call an eighty eight three.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
One crime Please.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
I'm dying, Adam and Sam, I know you guys are
watching at real time.

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
So watching it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
So yeah, it's borrowing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
So what we think we are seeing, and again we
stand to be corrected, is Dylan the surviving roommate who's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Been through it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
I actually hate that this is being released in some
demented way.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Just it's like, I don't know. I reserve the right
to change my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Please check out the podcast Idaho Massacre Season three dropped yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Obviously we'll be covering this. But here we are, like
the morning after, there's like snow caps, you know, you
see some snow on the ground, you see ugs, and
she's as frantic and what she's describing as a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
And now we're inside the house on the documentary we
did for Peacock the Idaho student murders again, I hope
you'll watch. We did a visual three D and Lisa Bollen,
the amazing artist, did this of what we knew of
that house. Obviously it's been burnt down, it's been taken
down for many reasons, but there is no.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Real inside look at the house.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
So what I think we're seeing right now real time,
which of course we'll continue to cover, is is the house.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Yeah, listen, maybe we can unpack this. If you're listening
and you're my friend and you care about me, call
me eight at eight thirty one Crime. You don't have
any problems texting me, give us a call and let
us know what's going on. I need to know what's happening. Yeah,
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true crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
It has been a night of pure madness. Eric Menandez
he has been denied parole. If you haven't been listening,
please catch us on the podcast right after we've gone wild.
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Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
So a body I mean, where do we start with
this this body cam footage? Well, I put on a
bad signal like if you care about us, call and
guess what can we have somebody who cares? Our girl
in Oakland teamed through, right, Indy, Hey girl, I love you.
Thank you so much for calling. I put on a

(01:07:44):
bat signal and I said, if.

Speaker 8 (01:07:44):
You care about all right, I love when I call.
Now they just go, hey Andy, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Yeah, it was like the troop was deployed. The troops
were deployed. By the way, great job.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Also when you're reporting and kicking us off to such
a tragic case, even just a few nights ago, so
you're on the front lines for us.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Yeah, I'm going to give her credit at the end
of the come on yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:08:08):
Street team basically, you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Know, yeah, you're just what, You're the girl in the streets.
That's right. So Indy, the body cam footage, Now, do
you guys remember when I was when I broke and
I was like, oh my god, the body cam footage.
It was because she texted it to me. So that's
how I knew, you know, because she was like, oh my.

Speaker 8 (01:08:25):
God, I'm over here doing my thing and I see
that it's released. In my heart sank. The first thing
I did was text you, So yes, yeah, the bodycam
footage has been released. It is censored, so you know,
if the people are curious to kind of see, it
is out and it is censored.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
So did you watch? Did you want?

Speaker 8 (01:08:48):
I'm sorry I could. I cannot wait for you. I did.
I have watched some of it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
I don't want to, dare you, but yeah, I dare you.

Speaker 8 (01:08:56):
It's I know, I know, it's it's heartbreaking.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
It's heart breaking.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
It's heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
And by the way, seeing in the interior of the
house just you know, real time, right, We've never really
had that benefit yet to really see and I don't
know if we're supposed to. This is a very divided time, right,
so we're kind of just going with it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Live India.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I'm curious what your thoughts are too, because look, we
know this is the morning after people are waking up,
police are arriving. Nine one one has been called. There's
been a gap in time between when the murders happened
and when nine one was called. You know, these surviving roommates,
thank god they survived. You know, they got somewhere slack
early on in social media and it was so in

(01:09:39):
my humble opinion, lame. They've been traumatized and now we're
seeing this real time. Their faces seem to be blurred, thankfully.
I don't know, it's so insider. It almost feels almost
too insider, even though of course I'm so curious and
want to see more.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
What do you make of it?

Speaker 8 (01:10:00):
It's exactly like you said, it feels like we're not
supposed to be watching it. It feels like very a
private you know, the worst time of those roommates flags
now those roommates would never be the same. I'm listening
to and reading James Patterson's book and he kind of
had some inside interviews and stuff, and so you know,

(01:10:22):
there are certain people that came over that morning, you
know that were called and you know saw them and
made the decision to call them on one one and
you see all of it. You see it all play out.
You see you know, the cop I think he was
playing like Morgan Wallen and like pulls up, doesn't really
know what's going on. And you see them, you know,
you see their roommates outside, and you see the roommates

(01:10:42):
shaking and crying, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
You know they're wearing like it seems like they're wearing uggs.
Like it just seems like what it would look like after,
you know, on a Sunday morning, right, So, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:10:56):
One of the roommates doesn't It isn't even wearing shoes outside.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Oh my god.

Speaker 8 (01:11:01):
And you know, it's heartbreaking, and everyone's trying to make
you know, make everyone's confused, and the roomates are trying
to tell the police what happened. And I mean even
the police are saying like, oh my god, oh my god.
You know you can't hear them kind of gasping go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
No, I was just gonna say, you took it out
of my mouth. It's like almost like we're seeing, you know, again,
this surviving roommate who has been through it. It's sort
of sort of we're kind of seeing her talking it
out real time. Right, So imagine you're waking up from
her sleep. You you live in a house where there's
a lot of activity. You're used to hearing sounds and
dogs and people in and out. It's a three story

(01:11:40):
house or like not really a three story house, but
kind of configured that way. You're a little scared, but
you don't want to overreact.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Blah blah blah blah. Now it's all being realized and
we're sort of seeing that right now, I kind of
scanned a little bit, you know, I only had like
a minute to like watch what I could, and I
kind of scanned forward and I saw hun Her Did
you see Hunter Andy?

Speaker 8 (01:12:03):
Yeah, he's in there, and you know, he's showing the
cops Banner's room, and at one point you see him
just crouch down. You can tell his stomach is probably
a nuts and his at one point of hands are
above his head and he's just standing there and he's
everyone is trying to make sense of you know. And
and one of the one of the victims that his

(01:12:24):
boyfriends come over and he's like, what's going on, and
you can tell everyone doesn't really want to tell him
what's going on. And then you see them put him
in the cop car, and everyone's just trying to make
sense of what's going on. The Other thing is people
did not know that Kaylee and Maddie were home, so
as they're trying to describe to the police what's going on,
they're like, you know, one of the roommates tells them like,

(01:12:46):
Kaylee and Maddy usually sweep upstairs, but I don't know
where they are, So at this point, no one knows
that Kaylee and Maddie are upstairs yet. And that's the
other heartbreaking thing is you tell them you know, she's
telling the cop like, you know, I don't. I don't
know where care and Maddie are, but their rooms are
upstairs and they know we know that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
In our morning, Yeah, they were texting them or you up?
Are you up?

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Like, and they hadn't gotten a response for obvious reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Oof.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Right, how do you feel even just seeing as Indie like,
having just witnessed this and watched this, you know, what's
your what's your as a human takeaway?

Speaker 8 (01:13:20):
And it's it's absolutely heartbreaking. It's you know, we've heard
all of these things I've been following in this case
from the beginning. I know, body's been falling in the
skates from the beginning, and it's kind of like all
of the worst fears that you've heard, like the worst
part of the rumors all of these years are turning
out to be true. And it's exactly kind of the
heartbreaking things that we thought were happening, and it's now

(01:13:44):
it's you know, we can kind of see it for
our own eyes. And then you look at the house
and you and you see it's just it's a kid's house.
It's a student you know, it's what my college house
is still looks like, you know, really.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Best case scenario, that's what your college house looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Right It's like there's like remnants of a fun mat
and like everybody's in and out and it's best buds.
Remember Cally and Maddie, they were best childhood friends.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
I get a little choked up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
I get a little choked up and a little covered
in chills right now because even just a second ago
in India, I'm curious what your take on this is.
I think I probably could read your mind. Can you
imagine we're seeing this the real time devastation and aftermath
of what this clown and maniac has done, and this
guy behind bars is complaining about his meal being late.

(01:14:32):
It is like, can we what else can we do
to this guy? It is I feel like it is unfair.
He didn't have to give us any explanation. He gave
us no new information. He escaped death and the humiliation
of a trial, a death sentence trial, I might add.
And now he's like yipping and yappin about like his

(01:14:52):
discomfort behind bars, and he's overtired yet we're seeing the
body cam figure. You know, they're shaking. I'm looking at
it right now. They are shaking, and this is it's
actually too hard to watch. I always I am not
even sure if we should.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
I know, but I'm going it is.

Speaker 8 (01:15:09):
It's kind of ironic that he's, you know, complaining about sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
You know, given yeah what you know what.

Speaker 8 (01:15:18):
These people were trying to do, all these people trying
to do, we're sleep. And so the other thing is
they bring up She's explained, you know, like Ethan doesn't
live here, and he's like, well, what do you mean?
And she's like, Ethan just stays here sometimes, like she's
like I didn't even know if he was here, and
you know, and then I think of the Chapins and
how just awesome they are, and it's it's heartbreaking, the

(01:15:39):
whole thing they are.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
By the way to the the Stacey Chapman and the family,
like they're so great. Don't forget Ethan Chapman was a triplet.
He had a sister and a brother. You know, they're
fraternal triplets.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Whatever that is, Like that is a closeness and a
loss of a threesome that cannot be understated, you know,
it's like again like exclamation point, underline it, highlight it
like that is loss that we, you know, hopefully none
of us can relate to. Yeah, I don't know. I've

(01:16:13):
divided about seeing this right now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
But everything's censored, right, like everything's is out right. Indeed,
you're not going to see any Okay, yeah, you're not.
Just see an human emotion that's uncensored, human emasson right right.

Speaker 8 (01:16:27):
We do know that that Ethan and Maddie have some
some gag orders kind of put in place that you know,
so they're not showing the rooms and things and so yeah,
I mean it's it's still heartbreaking. I want to give
it a trigger warning. It is still absolutely heartbreaking. But
you do not see anything, you know, graphic.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
There is something to see, like a scene like the
Night of Again, we've been speculating about this, you know,
there hasn't been real insight into what this home looked like.
I mean again, just look yet, like a couch with
like some you know, you know, air quotes, solo.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Cups nearby, the beer ponka. The fact that it's not
a recreation, it's not it's not you know, because you
did that stuff. We did that this is this house.
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
But and again, like beautiful artists did it with great
harrowing steak, it's not the real thing seeing the real thing,
and like the last moments.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
You're kind of removed from it when you're recreating it,
right because of course, and now you're faced with like
the reality of it, and it's like, oh my god.
You know, these were real people and real they were
really living, they were living wow.

Speaker 8 (01:17:38):
And I mean they even show you know, Kaylee from
Maddie's room and they have Halloween decorations. You know, there's
candles out, and it's just there were people just like
you said, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
It kind of does humanize them. And I and my
heart goes out to the you know, the Mogan family
that people are really saying, we don't want this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
And I don't know how I feel about it. It's
so real, real.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Time and be curious not to like throw you in.
But I know you follow all of these cases so
closely and so intently. What is your take on the
Menandez brothers and maybe Eric Mendez being denied parole today?

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Do you have any feelings on that? Totally fine if
you don't.

Speaker 8 (01:18:21):
I do, I do, I think someone I think you
guys were kind of talking about it earlier, is I'm
a very If you do it for one, you have
to do it for all, right, right, And you know
if just like you said, if this has happened, I mean,
this has happened, I mean more times than we all wish.
But there is someone in jail, in prison who very

(01:18:44):
similarly probably went through the same thing. And why aren't
they getting that chance? And is it for money? Is
it for fame? Is it for you know, for Cloud
or you know, Ryan Murphy's show or whatever it may be.
And that's not fair. And the judicial system we have,
we already know is not fair. And so it just
kind of leaves a sabercase to my mouth because it's
not fair to those who it's not fair to.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Already.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Indian and I are like the same person, like the
same person. Thank you, Indy, Thank you so much for calling.
I'll talk to you in a few minutes. Thank you
so much for calling. It means a lot to me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
And what a night, an explosive night, So thanks for
hanging with us real time. That felt and still continues
to feel. The words aren't really coming to mind. So
again we want to hear from you. Continue to give
us talkbacks, leave us messages. Obviously, this conversation will continue
on Sunday when Joseph Scott Morgan is here talking forensics.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Body. I mean, I feel wiped out. I do too,
And it's only been two hours, and I honestly, I
thought we had another segment left. I know, we thought
I've been in the twilight zone. We really, I mean,
it's just been one thing after another. But you know what,
I like it. I feel very I feel I feel
hyper connected to you, hyper connected. Listen, we're like this,
We're like exactly the idea Subpataco, right, No, it's listen.

(01:20:02):
This was a crazy night. You know, we had Robert
rand just a wonderful, wonderful journalist, so good get Indie,
wonderful Oakland journalist, the street on the street, Indy on
the street, Indy on Street. We just it's been a
whild night. And you know the poor victims that we
talked about tonight. You know, it's just been a night
and I feel like I need a bubble bath with
some champagne and some strawberries, maybe a mimosa. Ooh, I'm

(01:20:27):
in Is that? Is it too late?

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
For Mimosa. That sounds so fun. I'm amosa. I don't
even saying no, I know the same.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
I was like, I don't even drink.

Speaker 5 (01:20:37):
Yet.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
Chicken tako so good cereal right now, and I'm satisfied.

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
So porge, no porridge.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
No, okay, I only like checks, So yeah, to heck
with that?

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Can we all agree? We can all agree on one thing.
This world has gone nuts, This night has been nuts.
I'm so grateful that we've all been together, and that
Brian Burger who cares about your hunger.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
I think we all could agree with that. I agree,
And you know we have a lot coming up too, right,
So I'm gonna tell you everything we've got coming up,
because it's okay, there's a lot. I mean, bring a
lot to bring it, bring it, bring it, we listen.
I want to first of all, I want to thank
Robert for joining us today, right Robert. He provides such
good expert insight and anyone interested in the Menenda's case,

(01:21:23):
Robert's work is instrumental. You can read his book, The
Menenda's Murders, or you can watch this documentary. It's the
Menendez plus Menudo Boys Betrayed. So we're wishing him all
the best for Lyles hearing tomorrow. We are sending him
a lot of strength and he's going to be back
hopefully Monday to tell us all about it. And Sunday,
you guys, my favorite day of the week other than Tuesday.

(01:21:46):
I know you Tuesday though, So it's forensic or is
it Sunday? Neils Sunday. So for Sunday we have forensic
science Sunday and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan's going to
be joining us and he's going to be breaking down
all the latest. There's some new information about Travis Decker
and even more shocking forensic news with Brian Coburger against

(01:22:07):
one Else's body farms. We're going to do a whole
thing about body farms because I just found that so interesting.
It's a real thing. I thought it was fascinating.

Speaker 6 (01:22:17):
Little bit of I don't have no idea what it's.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Body farms are like the scientific ground, Okay, it's usually
outside and scientists put cadavers that have been donated by
people who die. Their bodies have been donated to science,
and they put them in conditions to see how we decay.
Like they'll put some people underwater, they'll put people in cars,

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they'll bury some, they'll leave some exposed, and they'll monitor
things like bugs, foliage, fat, you know, like just different
how we decay. And it tells us a lot about
how people die. So it's an important science. It's an
important science, and it's are you there.

Speaker 6 (01:23:02):
Because because I'm fascinated by it, I don't want to
go to this bar.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
It's it's in Tennessee. So thank you for joining us
Tonightrawberries and a Crazy Night. Join us on Sunday with
Joseph Scott Morgan and we'll see you soon. Have a
great weekend, everybody, stay safe,