Judge Rules on Ghislaine Maxwell Files Release as Victims Speak Out; Shocking Los Angeles Surrogacy Scheme Exposed

Unpacking the latest in the Ghislaine Maxwell/Jeffrey Epstein saga, including a recent ruling on the grand jury testimony, Maxwell’s controversial jail transfer, and what victims of the pair have to say about it all. Plus, a high-profile sexual assault ruling that has shaken Canada, an expensive Labubu doll kidnapping, a bizarre scheme involving a Los Angeles couple who tricked over a dozen surrogates, and more. Tune in for all the details. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here, of course,
with my favorite two ladies, Courtney Armstrong and Body. Move
in and listen. We have made it to August eleventh,
and we have a stacked night of headlines. So it
turns out we are not going to hear anything about
the grand jury investigation into the Epstein files, so boom,

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that seems like a non starter per the judge today.
Much to unpack on that one. And then also we're
going to be looking into this crazy case where this
house of syrocacy is what we're calling it. They found
twenty young children in this home home led by a
sarrogacy family, and we're gonna unpack kind of the dastardly

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situation surviving surrounding that. And then also this hockey scandal
that has taken over Canada in the NHL players. I'm heartbroken,
you know, they have been found not guilty as you
may or may not know, and we're going to look
into that story because it does seem like a really
tough time to be a victim speaking out these days.
So listen, lots to unpack. We are so grateful that

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So let's go to a talk back right now. In fact, hey,
it's Matt.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I haven't been following what's going on with Epstein and
Maxwell any update on the grand jury. I'd love to know.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Ah yeah, oh yeah, I mean it start.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
We've been waiting for for that. Everyone has been waiting
for body, what's doing?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
What's funny you should ask? So we do have an update.
A federal judge has denied the Trump's administration request to
release the Gallaen Maxwell grand jury transcripts, to no surprise
to I think anyone, Right.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I'm surprised. Oh, I'm shocked and surprised. If there was
nothing to hide, why not just really.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Well, the judge said they offer no new insight into
this case. So well that's what he said. But you know,
you're supposed to be secret. They're supposed to be secret.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
That's fair. So because it's a grand jury, meaning it's
supposed to be more secretive, right, well, it's.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
More regular case.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
So the Trump administration sought to release these grand jury
transcripts related to the Justice Department's investigation into the Jeffrey
Epstein and Glaine Maxwell cases, aiming to respond to like
all this public outcry and criticism and all these conspiracy
theories that are swirling around this case. You know, and
Epstein he died in jail in twenty nineteen. While awaiting

(03:34):
trial on these sex trafficking charges, and Ghlne Maxwell, as
we all know, is now serving a twenty year sentence
and has been moved to a new prison, like a
kind of a medium security prison or something something, some
kind of resort. And you know, she has remained at
the center of all these ridespread demands for government transparency

(03:56):
ever since. So right now we're not going to hear
anything new unpack.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
A few things. So talking about Geelane Maxwell for example,
So again if you're not following this case closely, that
was Jeffrey Epstein who has since died allegedly by suicide.
He had this ex girlfriend or they were lovers, or
they were you know, kind of trauma bonded, whatever it was.
They were in a very long term relationship. And she

(04:20):
has since been convicted of sexual offense. She's a sex
offender because she was essentially grooming young girls to come
to this island that Jeffrey Epstein allegedly owned. And you know,
the conspiracy theory, or I don't even know if you
can call it that, The theory is that Jeffrey Epstein
was luring very powerful men throughout the world to come

(04:43):
to this island, and on this island young girls were
available for sex, underage girls in many cases, you know,
many many young women. So she's a convicted sex offender,
Gelane Maxwell, and again was serving her twenty year sentence
until just recently she met with you know, some very
important people and suddenly now she's been transferred to this

(05:08):
very low security prison. It's considered club fed, right, that's
at my tagline. Many people are saying that online and
it doesn't even have a full stat They're not being
monitored all the time. It's really uniquely meant for white
collar crimes, not for sex offenders. And while her status

(05:29):
has not been changed from sex offender to something else,
it's very rare for someone of her status in which
she's been accused of to be put into that facility.
It's literally unheard of and very unusual. And I don't
know what to make of that.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
I mean, even there was a former federal prison official,
someone named Judy Garrett, and they said that this transfer
is highly highly unusual, saying it is so rare for
sex offenders to be placed in minimum secure already camps.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Well, can I add my own little conspiracy theory to this, Yes, Okay,
so we know back in May, Pam Bondi told Donald Trump,
the President of the United States, that his name is
in the files.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Well that's what That's what we're understanding.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Is it possible that the Trump administration like, and listen,
I'm not this is not a political thing, of course
one of us. I just wanted a ready to know,
this is not a political thing. But is it possible
that the Trump administration kind of ferreted this deal in
order to keep going Happyhill while her case is being.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Reviewed by the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
By the way, by the way, because she was looking
for a pardon. We do know this. Pam Bondy, to
your point, did say that. She really did say that
we were going to see these alleged files in this
client list that now apparently doesn't exist. We also early
days when Epstein first died. You know, we remember when
that that island was invaded by all these officials and

(06:56):
law enforcement and there was allegedly all of these everywhere
on the island, and they were basically cameras that were
there to basically blackmail potentially very fancy, successful influential world
leaders like princes and shaws and you name it. You know,
the best of the best, biggest brains in the world,

(07:20):
and maybe blackmail them for favor of some kind. My
question is this, who the heck is really funding or
was funding Epstein prior to his death. You know, obviously
it's said that he committed suicide, and very recently they've
just you know, the Trump associations and all officials have said, look,
it was a suicide. He was not murdered, even though

(07:43):
so many very official autopsy reports would suggest otherwise, including
our very own Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert. That's not
a conspiracy theory anymore. And this is really real at
this point. Let's add one thing to that too. Joseph
Scott Morgan is a death investigator, right, Like, that's his specialty.

(08:03):
And he's like, no way, no way, no way that
that that bone in his throat, right, that thyroid boner,
whatever the heck that was called was called.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
He was like, there's no way.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Exactly well, as did many other to him, many other
notable coroners and medical death investigators, as well as a
sixty minutes episode was done also debunking the possibility of suicide.
And Stephanie, you asked about the money. So a lot
of the money and this is fact, not conjecture. Is

(08:35):
Leslie Wexner, who owned many clothing brands that you would
see in any mall. I mean it was up to
hundreds of millions of dollars.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Like, why would anybody give Jeffrey Epstein millions and millions
of dollars? He was not They said, he's like a financier,
a financier of what. He doesn't have an illustrious education,
even though he had a very fancy job as a
teacher with no qualifications. Why is everybody giving him so
much money?

Speaker 3 (09:04):
That was a didn't you work at bear Stearns.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
For like a second? Who was funding him there? Like
even that job was brought under society.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
I don't really know a lot about his background, so.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Because he's really mysterious. His background is very mysterious, and
he does seem as though less Wexler, who also like
from the Limited and the Victoria's Secret, Like, this is
a very you know, wealthy, wealthy man. Why was he
funding Jeffrey Epstein? What was so special about him? Even
putting that aside, now we have Gillaine Maxwell, his buddy,

(09:36):
his best friend, his girlfriend. She loves him. Well, remember
her father also died of mysterious circumstances and was a
total scoundrel, a very wealthy man. How he was like
a TV mogul in you know, in England, and then
he dies and only to find out that all the

(09:57):
money he had was stolen. He was like a total liar, liar,
pants on fire. She has to now leave, comes to
the US, hooks up with Epstein and those two up
to no good allegedly, And now it seems like up
to no good means totally fine. She's now in club
fed with a bunch of white collar criminals and she's

(10:17):
a convicted sex offender. How does that make sense? I'm
dying to hear from you guys.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, call us eight and a through on crime.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
What do you think about this whole mess between Epstein
and now Gillien Maxwell? You know, should the transcripts? Do
you think that the grand jury transcript should be released?
Do you think that where she is being held in prison,
which is basically unheard of, is the right move for
some reason that we are not seeing. But yeah, it

(10:45):
is really questioned upon question with this, and I don't.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Think it has to be a conspiracy.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
And now like all these things are happening in the
in the country, and everyone, I think on both sides
of the aisle are like this is all a distraction,
Like everything is a distraction. To stop talking about this,
Like I'm nervous even speaking, I'm not even kidding. Yeah,
and I'm not a conspiracy person, you guys know me.
I am not a conspiracy person.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Same, I seem like I am, oh.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Maybe there's something here, you know, like I think maybe
there might be something here.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Well, the money, it's scared to it. The money, right,
the money points to it, right, the cameras point to it.
The victims have painted this picture, right. You know this again,
this is not conjecture. And the two of them, Jeffrey
Ebstein and Gillian Maxwell were convicted.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
So and by the way, so to what end, Because
you know, if we're going to talk politics for one second,
all I would say is, regardless of where you sit
in this, it feels like it's a pox in everybody's house, right. Yeah.
If the previous administration had the smoking gun, they probably
would have released it. If the previous you know, team

(11:55):
that had the smoking gun, they would have released it.
My point is, it's kind of implying everybody's kind of
involved is what I'm afraid of, or at least this
is what it seems like on its nose, and what
are we missing?

Speaker 5 (12:09):
While according to the DOJ, they said in previous court
filings that in the Epstein case, a single FBI agent
was the only witness to testify before the grand jury,
and in a case against Maxwell, the department said the
same FBI agent, as well as a lone New York
Police Department detective were the only two witnesses in this
grand jury testimony.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Doesn't that seem like tiny? Wow? What that's what they're saying.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I mean, just think about that. And again, I don't
know what it means. So and I'm not pushing an agenda,
none of us are. We're just I feel a little shook, bigger.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I think this is bigger than like sides.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I agree, yes, And I actually feel comforted in the
fact that all sides, men and women, all of us
were all sort of like, hmm, this doesn't feel good.
Let's all band together, we need some answers. It doesn't
actually seem very divisive.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Maybe this is the one thing that we can all
unite on and like heal this country in some way, right, like,
let's do it.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Let it be, So listen, stay tuned. We're continuing on
this with Gillian Maxwell. We are going to be covering
what is happening with the sexual assault case of the
professional hockey players in Canada that more through Crime tonight.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Listen, we have a big show tonight. We're talking a
little bit about this Gilane Maxwell craziness and also the
fact that the grand jury has decided the judge has
decided rather that the grand jury filings and information about
Gelane Maxwell and the Epstein files will not be released
anytime soon because they offer no new information, which again

(13:54):
is highly unusual. So we do want to hear from
you eight eight eight three one Crime jump in and
the conversation, leave us a talk back. What do you
guys make of this? It just seems as though something
is fishy up in here. And what do you think, Boddy?
I know you're shaking your head.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
I just feel like they knew, the administration knew that
this was not going to get released, and they were
just buying time, like this is another like two week stall.
They get like, oh, don't worry, guys, We're going to
get the grand jury transcripts released, and it's going to
provide a lot of transparency. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Like we're getting fed the same crap sandwich over and

(14:33):
over and over again, and it keeps working, right exactly,
so they keep doing it.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
And keep in mind, this was a tenant of this
administration getting into a It was campaigned upon one of
the absolute top tier issues. And then now what it
would seem from the information we have, including from Pam Bondi,
the Attorney General stating that no surprise, Donald Trump was

(14:58):
more than a or acquainted with Epstein. We can leave
it there, but you know, I think it was run
on this, run on this, put it out there until
it is no longer serving and there are potentially people
to protect, and that's it.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
And I think body's right with just stall.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah, just keep stalling into you know, and eventually the
Americans are going to get sick and tired because listen,
it keeps working and it does like throughout his administration,
Like we just keep getting fed this crap sandwich over
and over and over again, and Americans just keep eating it.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Okay, okay, and you.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Know, here we are, here, we are and by the
way I feel again a little bit gas lit by it,
because again, how dumb do we have to be at
this point to keep eating it? And like, again, it's
a stall tactic. We know the playbook. It's a criminal's
playbook at this point. It's a promise. Is promises promises
and it's okay, just release the facts, right And by

(15:53):
the way, why in that would we be promised something
that we're never going to get. It must be that
bad that everybody's like, oh, nothing to see here. Oh oh,
actually we take that back. Every single person who has
been exposed to these files have then said the next day, actually,
I take it back. We're not going to see anything.
It's fine, it's fine, it's fine. How bad must it be?

Speaker 5 (16:16):
I'm happy terrible powerful people from both sides of the aisle.
I agree, And let's and let's say, I don't care
what side of the aisle they're on, burn it down.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yes, let's get it exposed. Thank you? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Like, I don't thank you. They're a Democrat or a Republican, whatever,
burn it down. Let us know, Bill cut the okay, great,
let us know.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Did something.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Let us know exactly exactly bring on the list and
and ad is okay, but like we don't really understand
what we don't know, and it seems as though we
were really hoping for some level of transparency and the
fact that we have so little it makes us all
scary in every category right now. You know, it just

(16:57):
sort of makes you not trust anything when this is
so simple and basic. We get files released by law enforcement,
by the courts all the time, whether family, every case
we work on, at some point things are released to
the public when promised. This has been promised to nauseum.
And what's the hold up? There must be something very scary.

(17:21):
And again, if you guys have any information or any
thoughts on this, please jump in and call us eight
eight eight three one crime. I'm really curious. What do
you think? Are we making a down out of.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
A mole hill?

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Well, and then we get this information like Bill Clinton
is going to testify in front of Congress about this,
and you know it's just to let them bring up
no me toolto another crap sandwiches. Yeah, exactly, It's like
never going to happen, Like you know, it's just like
more time to buy.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
It's just I'm tired of it.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
And they're dragged now it's Milania might be into this,
Milania Trump our first lady. Okay, well like line them up? Yeah,
And it's by the way, where is Anna? Did she
really fall down? These steps?

Speaker 5 (18:02):
Like?

Speaker 2 (18:02):
It makes my brain to the most unusual places. So
I just need the purge to stop so we can
focus on what really matters.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
And we're in it. We're Shelley, Misscabage exactly where is Shelley?

Speaker 2 (18:14):
By the way, where is Shelley? Where is Shelley? Miss
gabots back?

Speaker 3 (18:18):
I never said that.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I exactly take it back.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Delete dangerous waters.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
By the way, you guys should know that before the
show started we did have a gut check of should
we be talking about this because it seems dangerous. I'm
stand we're in it together. None of us are our lives.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Well, listen when you're asking where is you know, Evanka,
et cetera, where also are the victims in all of this?
Because the victim's family members, they have had a lot
to say, not that it seems like anyone is hearing
them at a high level. But with Gileen Maxwell's transfer
to this minimum security federal prison, we were talking about

(18:57):
more of a camp and she is now low security
in Texas, and the families are outraged, particularly Virginia du
phrase Oh sadly lost her life to suicide.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
She killed herself in April.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Yep, that's right, and her family reminded quote Gilaine Maxwell
is a sexual predator who physically assaulted minor children on
multiple occasions, and she should never be shown any lee means.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
Willingly like she participated willingly, and by Karla Halmolka at
this point, and exactly you're a hundred pers.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Barbie of the Canda Barbie in Canada.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Who right, yes, And by the way, to your point,
think about it, Virginia Dufray, we now know she took
her life apparently has had a very tragic time since
she literally became the poster child of this case. But
remember this is somebody who was honestly putting it all
on the line so that she could get truth in

(20:00):
justice out there. That is like so down the drain,
nobody cares, so what. And she was sixteen years old.
She was working at the SPA at mar Alago. President
Trump just very recently said on Air Force one, oh yeah,
she was stolen by Epstein. What does that even mean?
Stolen by Epstein and basically taken from mar A Lago.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
What is that about?

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Well, Virginia Defray's family also had something Stephanie very specific
to that. This is another quote. She wasn't stolen, She
was preyed upon at his property, at President Trump's property.
Quote stolen seems very impersonal. It feels very much like
an object. And the survivors are not object. Women are

(20:44):
not objects. Well so sure, okay, but it seems like
in this it was sort of collateral and you know,
to be these girls and young women to be served
up to see, that's acceptable in the way things are, right,
I mean, it sure seems the way the way I
think someone going lately in the news with these kinds

(21:06):
of cases, You guys, doesn't it seem like, well, actually,
we are offered, we are here to be served of
yeas every time one of us speaks out, it's.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Like, eh, whatever, yeah, so why who cares? Yeah so
what who cares? Time?

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Time?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Again?

Speaker 3 (21:19):
These are kids.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
She was sixteen years old and by the way, stolen
like that is why Trump says he no longer has
friendship with Jeffrey Epstein right over this incident where he
felt as though Epstein was stealing Virginia Dufrey from the
spa at mar Lago. Think about that. It all kind
of tracks, but it's tracking in a really weird direction.

(21:41):
And again, we would love to hear if you have
an opinion on this, Please tell us that we're wrong.
Ham us down because it doesn't feel fair.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
It doesn't well, it's not fair. There is no justice
being done.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
I don't know that anyone can argue that justice is
not moving forward what that should look like. Because even
and for me, with holding back the grand jury testimony,
I actually I do agree with body as it is
such a tenant of the judicial system. I really I
understand that decision, you know, to protect the witnesses basically

(22:14):
that testified the grand jury. Of course, I just told
you earlier it was one FBI agent testified at both
grand juries for Epstein and Maxwell, and then for Maxwell,
I believe there was an additional New York City Police
Department detective. So I mean, there's only two witnesses and
they got to be protected, you.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Know, redact their names.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I agree you can do that.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
We get redacted information and I redacted in case you
don't know what that means. It's literally like a black
sharpie just basically takes out any victims' names, any key names,
any real identifying information. We just saw this yesterday. We
were talking about the files and the photo dumps of
crime scene photos in the Brian Kroeberger case. They were redacted.

(22:54):
That's very, very common. So just release the redacted information
with anybody names and ages and identifying information redacted like
it would normally happen. And by the way, if the
grand jury information was way too secretive to ever share,
why pretend that you were going to because they got

(23:16):
by time.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
But I don't know why they that's for what though,
I don't either. I don't know, but you know, now
we have this, I don't even know if I should
bring this up.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
I'm kind of afraid.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
This military or National guard takeover of DC feels like
another kind of distraction, and I'm again, this isn't Maybe
it is, I don't know, but this is I feel
like we're living in crazy town.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, me too, me too.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
And it's just like, you know, and it gets pointed
out over and over and over again that this is
all just a distraction, and I'm like, maybe it is,
you know, like rap.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Who do we trust? Everybody?

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Like so who I trust you guys. I trust you guys.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I trust you guys with my life, and I trust
seem Away exactly. And we can all band together and
anyone listening, let's all band together and just like the
world is going to be fine. We're not looking to perpetuate.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
And then your asteroid might be heading toward the planet.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
And I'm like, oh.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Okay, that way that sounds asteroid coming. When is that happening?

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Well, apparently there's this telescope called Lucifer infer I swear
to God, and it's looking for some sort of interstellar
objects that's heading toward the planet the Devil.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
The telescope named after the Devil is looking for something
that's potentially going to come to Earth.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Listen, I just read the headline. Okay, even read the
article because I'm.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
So scared to google this right now, that's where you're
appending date for this. I'm so glad.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
I'm just saying it just falls in line with everything
that's happening right now. It's like, oh, okay, yeah, I
get it. An asteroid's coming. It's all about right right, attracts,
it's another distraction Lucifer.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
See again, I just read the headline. I did not
read the article. Please don't come for me.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
I'm just like trying to make the point that I'm
just like expecting it at this point.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
You know, I'm all right. That sounds about right like
the movie Dumb and Dumber. This is wrong. This is wrong.
Heads are falling off, like.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
We're talking a lot about this Geelan Maxwell situation and
also how the Epstein files from the grand jury are
not being released officially. So we have a caller on
the line, Cocoa. We're so happy you're here. Thank you
for calling. Tell us everything. Yeah, yes, have you're here.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
Thank you, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
I mean generally, my question is is why is all
of this important to the American people for these for
these files to be released? Like who like not that
I don't care, because I fair care, but they're all scumbags,
And are we trying to prove further that they're just
all scumbags?

Speaker 2 (26:06):
That's such a well question I have, I have.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Okay, So Epstein didn't operate alone, right, like human trafficking
rings rely on like others or enablers, recruiters, financial backers,
complicit security staff, or influential figures. Who protect these perpetrators,
and we need to know who those people are because
they're not in jail, and like that's my thing.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, and to add to that, and by the way,
this is a very good question because we're talking about
it all day, So thank you, Coco for calling us.
Here's what I think is important about it, and it's
only becoming more important the less we're told information. I
think if it's true that very important world leaders were
brought together and there's videotape of nefarious activities with underage

(26:51):
girls or overage girls, would just a sexual abuse happening,
and those tapes are being used as blackmail against who
are no idea or like what fancy scary important people
are using this information against each other, then it kind

(27:12):
of affects all of us because who do we trust
and like, how do we believe I get it? You know,
we can all like the you say it so well,
it's going to sound poorly when I say it's so
very with me, Coco, but it's true, Like we're getting
so used to the scumbag thing, right these I think
most of us and the men that I know and
the and the humans that I live and die for,

(27:33):
that's not how we all roll, right, so we should
be annoyed by it. And also those decisions are affecting
our every day and yeah, they might still be okay.
And also they might be getting out of power or
compromised because of information, and this one's getting in power
because of compromising information. Like it feels like there's a
bigger picture thing happening, like a little club that we

(27:55):
all don't get to be in. In fact, we're being
kicked out of it. And whether you're or you know,
whatever color you are, whatever race you are, whatever gender
you are, whatever your socioeconomic status is, I think we're
all in it together. And it's like who do we
trust above?

Speaker 5 (28:12):
And like I say, there's like five people that get named,
I'm just using that number helping dismantle and get information
from those five people can help dismantle this this specific
network and prevent further exploitation of future victims too, Like
that's really important to me. Like now it's not political,
it's this is a this is a crime syndicate exactly.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
And like you said, whoever is on the list question
mark that there you know was on someone in Bondi's TSK.
And then disappeared from existence. You know, they are the
perpetrators of crimes and they have not been tried, and
they power they.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Are not to mention. Why mention this big list if
it doesn't really have any impact whatsoever, Coca, what do
you think? Do you think it's a bunch of noise?
What's your take on it?

Speaker 6 (29:01):
What I hear you saying is that there's an injustice
and that is the reason that we should care, is
that justice is not being served, that there's a grave
injustice happening out there in the world. And this is,
you know, putting a magnifying glass on a specific thing
that is should be an easy It shouldn't be this
hard right to get justice here.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Or simple or if and also if people are being
elected and affecting our day to day, our moneies, our
ability to have healthy, happy lives, if those decisions are
being made at a top level, because there's blackmail involved
over like sexy yucky tapes and like things that were
happening on an island far far away, which sounds like

(29:42):
the worst movie ever. If that's the case, then it
does affect us, and like it's given everybody a bad rap,
and we deserve better. All of us. Do you do, Coco,
I feel like you're driving right now and hopefully someplays amazing,
But like I feel like collectively we all deserve like
some at least like somebody to believe in. And I

(30:03):
feel a little lost in the sauce with who to
follow period other than I guess you, Coco, tell us
are you running for office? What can we what can
we expect?

Speaker 6 (30:13):
Not yet? But you know, I mean your entire your
entire thing all evening is this is a sense of
almost hopelessness through the injustice that is so in our faith.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
It's kind of.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
At every step of this, of this whole situation. And
for a lot of the American people it was a
non starter for certain political figures that you know that
broad in a broad sense, the American voter base decided it.
It was not a deal breaker.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
We wouldn't even thought about it. Honestly, it was made
a big deal for us, right like we.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Weren't because I was begging to ass on this exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I didn't even think about it until everyone was like, oh,
and I promised that list. I promised list. I was like, Oh,
I'm into it. Let's hear the list. Go ahead, justice,
and now it's like a little bit of a take back,
and I feel embarrassed that I fell down a rabbit hole.
And by the way, I just fear even worse. It
might include everybody from all sides. And that's I guess

(31:16):
what gets real scary, because then we're really all a
bunch of fools. Because I don't care what you believe in.
My heart is just a bleeder, so I will acknowledge
that live. But look, whether you're a Democrat or republica
conservative or carless, we just need one person to believe in.
And it seems like there's everybody might be in it.

(31:38):
And how do we miss that. I wasn't expecting that
on my Bengo card.

Speaker 6 (31:44):
You said earlier, that is this not just a giant
distraction to keep us looking at the left hand while
the right hand is like doing some even more pernicious
yes feelings, you know, and that's something that I absolutely
don't trust is not happening.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Yeah, even at the minor level, you know, like even
very minor things that might only affect like one percent
of Americans, you know, or something like I don't know,
and this is this is not my expertise. I have
no idea what the heck I'm talking about. I just
know that I feel strongly that, you know, this kind
of network needs to be dismantled, and in order for
that to happen, the people need to be exposed.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
And we can all agree. I mean, Coco, you included.
I'm not putting word in zero mouth, but I have
a sense that none of us want to have pedophiles around, right,
we're all anti that. We all could agree that, like,
having sex with young girls is bad, and that's something
we can all come together on. But it might even be,
to your point, a distraction against what I don't know.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
Yeah, this whole thing might be a distraction, Like look
over here, because this big thing's happening and they want
us talking about Epstein, Like, yeah, it might be. It
might be like inception, like that movie, Oh, the dream
within a dream within a dream, Right, this might the
conspiracy within the conspiracy within the conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Oh my god, that movie made me crazy. I don't
love if my brain collapse on itself doing that.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Thank you so much for the call. You're the best listening.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Keep listening.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Yeah, this is true crime tonight, and it is folks
like Poco who help make it and craft the show
and you know, take us some directions we need to
be going in.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
So we hope you do the same.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
We are at eight eight eight three one crime And
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Speaker 3 (33:35):
I think.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Are we prepared to cleanse our palettes from Ebstein for
the moment?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yes, yes, everybody.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Raised your left hand. Sorry, I feel like we all
went down the rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yea, we went a little bit off.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Sorry everybody, Sorry everybody.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
No, it's important we have something lighthearted.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yes, Nie, I'm strong.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
You know I was going to go to something less lighthearted.
Let's see, Tah, do you have anything anything?

Speaker 2 (34:01):
What could possibly be less lighthearted?

Speaker 7 (34:04):
I mean nothing really lighthearted, but I I'm intrigued by
the Canada story. But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Coco was not going to be happy about this. Devastating.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
This is such a pretty devastating.

Speaker 7 (34:18):
It's devastating, but it's fascinating. So body, I think you
know a little bit more about.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
This one, Coco, Listen up, because this one's also going
to make you crazy mad, So feel free to call us.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
I'm a massive hockey fan and every people who know
me know I go to Vegas Golden Knights games all
the time. I grew up in Detroit. Hockey is in
my bloods dream and you know this is really sad
for me. So July twenty fourth, a few weeks ago,
Ontario judge acquitted five former members of Canadian Canada's World
junior hockey team in their sexual assault case, saying the

(34:53):
complaints alleged lack of credibility needed to justify the charges.
Now this happened in like twenty eighteen. It was many
years ago, this incident that I'm going to tell you about.
So a lot of these players have graduated to the NHL,
which is like a national hockey league. So while this
happened when they were younger in the Canadian junior hockey league. So,
in a packed courtroom, Justice Maria Carlcia delivered not guilty

(35:20):
verdicts for five former Canadian junior hockey player members after
an eight week trial. This trial went on.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
For that's a long time, even though one of them
only one of the five that have been accused had
to testify.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
I'm sorry, right, well, my player on my team testified,
you know as well, Brad Holden.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
He testified as well. But I digress. Okay.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
The trial centered on whether or not the complaintant, known
as E. M, consented to an all sexual activity during
a twenty eighteen hotel encounter. She was at the bar,
she was dancing with them. She was, oh my god,
these hockey players. She went up to the room and
there was a gang kind of.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Section hold the role for one sex. She went up
to the room with one of the one of them
to have consensual sex. By the way, these are all
like hot shot hockey players. She goes up to the room,
consensual sex and then this particular player starts potentially texting
some of the buds the bay in they come in

(36:24):
and by the way, she's one hundred and twenty pounds
at the time, and you know, these are big athletes.
And I don't know how to phrase this.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Is it a I mean, the alleged assault would be
a gang rate, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I details are hideous, that's it is. There are objects involved.
There are very scary, disgusting things at one point, a
sheet is laid on the ground of the hotel room
and multiple men and objects are really putting it to
this woman. And afterward, this main player whose name I'm

(37:01):
not even going to say, has a tape and they
start asking if she was consenting on tape after and listen,
it's getting very Epstein heavy, victim lists heavy. Hey, listen,
we have a call right now. So Shelley, Hi, Shelly,
welcome to the show. Thank you for calling.

Speaker 8 (37:18):
Hey, ladies, I listen to you guys on my way
home from work every night.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, thank you for doing that.

Speaker 8 (37:25):
Oh, are you're welcome? Thank you guys for being on
the radio.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
About your question.

Speaker 8 (37:31):
No, mine isn't a question, it's more of a statement.
So we continue to say, Oh, he's misleading us. He's
been throwing things at us, you know, been doing this
and been doing that. No, this guy and this guy,
I mean, the supposed president Trump, he told us exactly

(37:52):
what he was going to do through his.

Speaker 9 (37:54):
Entire campaign, Yes, that he was going to be doing
all of the stuff that he is doing, and everybody
who voted for him voted for exactly what he is
doing right now.

Speaker 8 (38:08):
He didn't mask it up. He didn't put like, you know,
like people putting on rose colored glasses. Nobody, nobody did that.
If you want to sit and say, oh, he's a
con man, no he's not.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
But he did say he was going to get to
the bottom of the Epstein thing and release those files,
didn't he. I feel like he for sure ran on that.
And I don't disagree with you though in terms of
thank you for your call, Shelly, We really.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
By the way, absolutely to that.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
But Shelley makes a really strong point, you know, it's
it's a very fair point. You know. It also goes
back to Coco's point of like, look, if they're air
quotes scumbags in the office, are we surprised he wasn't,
you know, changing anything. But he did say he was
going to get to the bottom of the Epstein.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
And now he says it's a fraud, it's a con
it's a conspiracy, it's quote bs, it's bs.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Right, But not before before all his enemies were on this.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
List, and he was going to get to the bottom
of it, and he was going to save all the children,
and all the people on X and Twitter were posting
memes of Donald Trump saving the children because he was
going to release the Epstein list and Elon Musk and.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Where are they? Where's come on?

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Now?

Speaker 3 (39:20):
He did tell us all the other things. You're right, Shelley,
he did say he.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Was going to do mass deportations and dah dah dah,
you're absolutely right, But this he said he was also
going to do, and it was a major tenant of
his candidacy.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
And like, even if he wants to, everybody who sees
these files are like, whoop, They're not really those so,
like it just makes me think that they're crazier than
we could possibly even imagine. It's I think it's beyond
even the Trump of it all.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
I mean, Prince Andrew stretches my imagination. M So do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (39:54):
And that's now didn't he progress his title though? Prince Andrew,
he's not prince anymore. He's just a something he did.
And I don't know if that's stuck, but I know
it was.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, it was h.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah. By the way, no walk in the Park. I
should call my mom directly right now, because she's the
insider source for all his crown.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Her hands on that.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
But Prince Andrew can travel around the world, and that
has now been okay for him, whereas for a very
long time that was not the case. And again, is
it like world leaders that were not even thinking about
And you know a lot of world decisions are being
made right now around the edges. Dare I say, and
how does that affect us? It just scares me.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
Prince Andrew has not lost his title Duke of York,
but he has lost many of his royal privileges and
military affiliations. I stand corrected, Taha, thank you.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I like.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I thought he lost h r H. But I could
be wrong about that.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Well, okay, okay, listen, we're going to get back to
the NHL hockey scandal. Let's get back to that. Thank
you Shelley for the call. Much more on this to come,
and and lest I want to put Epstein to bed
because this sarrogacy makes us crazy. Story is crazy making.
And then a little lighter one la boo boo, we're
gonna be talking about that too. This is true crime tonight.

(41:23):
Deep breath, everybody, we are going to be an epsteinless
next hour unless you have a talk back, and of
course we want to hear from you. But if you've
missed any of the show, no stress. You could always
catch it as a podcast right after, and please jump
in eighty eight three one crime. We really want to
hear from you, whether you agree disagree, bring it. We

(41:44):
are trying to understand better and we can't do that
without everybody's opinion. And so please thank you for the
calls and keep them coming. So we kind of jumped
off of this NHL hockey story, Sorry.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
So, and there's so much more.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Let's yeah, let's like kind of do a reset of
that if we can.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (42:03):
So.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
July twenty fourth of twenty twenty five, just a few
weeks ago, a judge in Ontario, Canada, acquitted five former
members of Canada's World junior hockey team in their sexual
assault case, saying the complainants allegations lacked the credibility needed
to justify this charge. Superior Court Justice Maria carl Sia,

(42:26):
I hope I'm saying that right, But you know, after
reading what she said, I'm not really I don't really
care Sharon prosecute, Like listen, it's it gets kind of
wild with the things that she said to this victim.
She said prosecutors could not meet the onus of proof
charges against Michael McLeod, carter Hart, Alex fourmenton, Dylan Dube

(42:46):
and Callahan Foot Okay, those are the hockey players. Now,
it's important to remember this happened in twenty eighteen. These
players were in the Canadian Junior Hockey League. At this
point they've graduated to the NHL. One of you know,
full transparency. I'm a Vagas Golden Knights fan. I go
to a lot of the games. I dress up in gold.
I act like a crazy person. I love the team.

(43:08):
One of my players was dressed in gold.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I do like.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Pictures. It's really wild.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Are you a face painter?

Speaker 3 (43:17):
I have in the past. Yes.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
So in a packed courtroom this this judge delivered a
not guilty verdicts for all five former Canadian junior hockey
players after an.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Eight week trial.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
The trials centered on whether or not the complainant, she's
known as e M, consented to all sexual activity doing
it during a twenty eighteen hotel encounter. Only one of
the five players, carter Hart testified, all had pled not guilty.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
The judge cited inconsistencies in EM's testimony and a lack
of cooperating evidence, including surveillance footage as key reasons for
this acquittal.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Listen to this.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
She also criticized EM's focus on her level of intoxication.
So Eam was like, you know, I was really drunk
and I was dancing in the bar with these guys.
I went up to the hotel room with one of
them and we had consensual sex. And right after this
encounter with this consensual sex, you know, activity the other

(44:19):
guys came in and I was scared and felt rusher,
and they video they videotaped her saying after the fact
that this was consensual. So the judge kind of really
kind of read her the riot Act a little bit
and kind of I'm kind of exaggerating, but she kind
of was like, listen, I don't really care how drunk
you were. You know, you you agreed to this, but

(44:40):
you know, the victim is saying, no, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Well, no, the agreement though. This is the interesting part
because I would say, on behalf of all men, there's
no scarier thing than being wrongfully of course sexual all right,
So and that's terrible if we get that. So putting
that aside for a second, as like, obviously that would
be terrible in this case. This you know, the predator

(45:04):
or the accused, I should say, after this sex gang
bang for lack of better terms. After that, he records
her videom saying did you consent to this? And she
says yes. It's like it's like honestly, like blink twice,

(45:25):
like this is somebody who's been assaulted, victimized, is scared
for her life.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
It just people in the room with five same room
with five large athletes.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
She's a small woman. I would say anything at that
point to get out of it. And how could that
possibly be the consensual video that this judge is speaking of.
That kind of moved the needle. I mean, I listen.
Canada has outraged as well.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
The defense claimed that Em encouraged the group sex and
was a willing participant sighting that video and it said
she's sitting there and she says it was consensual. And
they have to remember this happened after it happened, like
they thought, oh we better get this on video.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yes, they had to wearwithal, They had to wherewithal to
know that they needed a video to put a bunch
of the text.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
They have a group chat right and a bunch of
the text messages have been released of these guys in
the group chat and my guy you know who wasn't
you know, charged with anything. But my guys like, we
didn't do anything wrong. It was more than five guys,
by the way, five guys were charged. Let's just get
that straight.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
It was.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
It was more than five guys, and my guys like.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
We didn't do anything wrong. We should sue her like it.
The group text is really gross. If you're Aaron listening,
go read them. They're crazy.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
And these text messages were used by the prosecution, and
as you said, it is between the players, and allegedly
it showed, Yeah, showed that it was McLeod's idea to
invite the teammates to the room, and that the players
allegedly engaged in quote getting their story straight. Ye, by

(47:11):
drafting that narrative, I got your story straight after the
fact and after the fact and the filming for someone
to say, yes, this is consensual. And I believe their
argument was this is what you need to do when
you're an athlete.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
And the judge, yeah, hostage video.

Speaker 5 (47:27):
The judge was basically like, oh, they weren't like, you know,
getting their story straight. They were just remembering their you know,
recollection of what happened together in a group chat.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Also, the judge also scolded em the victim in this case,
for getting her weight wrong. In yesteryear she was really
one hundred and thirty pounds, but at the time in
twenty eighteen, she said she was one hundred and twenty pounds. Right,
These are the inconsistencies that we're talking about. And by
the way, these are really loved, respected, good looking men

(48:00):
that are like living their best lives. The idea that
a girl could be attacked by many men at one time,
and again some of the details are we won't even
repeat them because they're so gross, but like it's scary stuff,
and honestly, Canada is it's a very divided case right now.

(48:21):
And for this victim who has come forward, she's been shamed.
She was on the stand for I believe, nine hours,
when meanwhile only one of the accused took the stand
at all. And it seems as though it's a band
of brothers that can't get busted through. And by the way,
I was raised by boys, so I am all things
like that. A worst nightmare is when people are like

(48:43):
men are terrible. I do not feel that way at all.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
This is a bummer. It is such a bummer it's
worth noting. I'm sorry, Courtney, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Oh, I was just gonna see in EM's words, she said.
And this really hit me so hard. She said, I
made the choice to dance with them and drink at
the bar. I did not make the choice to have
them do what they did back at the hotel. Right, yeah,
And it's there is a line that.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Sense the end. How do we not get that?

Speaker 3 (49:15):
It's so basic?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
But I feel like we're seeing that with Epstein, with
the Diddy things, with this at some point, consent is
not just a one big broad stroke. That is, you
cannot treat somebody like an animal.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Well she She sued Hockey Canada after the charges were
dismissed back in I think twenty nineteen, and she sued
Hockey Canada and they settled with her for three point
five million. So there's something there. I mean, even Hockey
Canada was like whoa. You know, the players were formally
charged in twenty twenty four and all took indefinite leaves

(49:50):
from their teams and.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
The NHL is not having them anymore either, Like that's
also a big deal where they're sort of no is
that true.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
I don't know where that stands right now.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
I know that my guy is still on the team
playing today.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Well it's not season, but.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Yeah, season starts in like late September, right, but is
slated too, He's slated to as far as I know,
I need to check into that.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
I mean the NFL think of all, I can't recall
one specific one to mine, but so many allegations and
then yeah, you know, going to play, so that that's
always an interesting.

Speaker 11 (50:27):
Area for me.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
Yeah, So the judge, the judge ruled, you know that
the players were just recounting their recollections and that text
group message, and the prosecution wasn't able to really go
any further with it. So they were all found not guilty,
and the world moves on another another one bites the dust.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
So one bites the dust, right, Well, so that's.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
It happier, I know.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Listen, give us a call, like, did you get a
raise today? What's doing in your world? Do you have
a rest that we should know about? Its engageancakes? Yes, yes,
on the way we need some good news.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Give us a call. Eight eight eight three one crime.
This of course is true crime. Tonight. I'm Courtney Armstrong.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
I am here with Stephanie Leidecker and body move in
and we have a talk back.

Speaker 11 (51:21):
Yes, Hi, the other you guys talked about who your
hero is or something along those lines, and I've been
thinking about it and I wanted to tell you who
my hero is.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
It's a girl.

Speaker 11 (51:34):
That is in the army or was in the army,
and she was sexually assaulted five times and she's taken
all of that pain and she decided to open a
business with me where we're going to focus on sexual
assault survivors, domestic abuse advisors, and suicide prevention for military

(51:54):
and people like that.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
But for her to be able to stand up and say,
I know this.

Speaker 11 (51:59):
Happened to me, but now I am going to turn
that into helping and healing for other people, it's amazing.
So that's who my hero is. Her name is Mary
Lou and she is incredible.

Speaker 8 (52:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Oh my god, I'm covered in chills right now.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
What a beautiful and wonderful to take her power back
right exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yes, and helping other.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Yes, that's amazing, and thank you for that talk back.
Mary's great, and do keep listening. We've kind of mentioned before,
but another listener reached out to us.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
It was actually via a DM and it was a
woman in the.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Military who did suffer sexual assault and we have been
working at sort of research heavy and we want to
make sure everything is lined up. But there's a conversation
about that based on another hero like Mary lou So
thank you for And.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
By the way, that's it. I just got I'm literally
still covered in chills. That's so who is You're here?

Speaker 3 (53:00):
I have a hero.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I know Courtney's going to know this one. I love
Whitney Galloway from Pie County Y. I love Whitney Galloway.
Whitney Galloway was someone who was one of one of
our docks and I gotta tell you she rips my
heart out. I'm staring a photo of a tree right now.
That right, but again people who just sort of put

(53:22):
their hearts out there on their sleeves and pushed through
and despite circumstance and listen, we get knocked down. No
one's immune to it. We might think we can be,
but guess what, no one's immune. But like you take
that feeling and push it to something great. Is unbelievable

(53:43):
and so inspiring. And hats off to Mary Lou.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Hats off to Mary Lou and Whitney Galloway is to
put a period on the end of that who she is.
It's been wonderful. I just say this because we're old
but awsome. So Whitney was touched by unspeakable tragedy. This
is in regards to the piked In massacre, and it

(54:07):
changed and devastated her life, friends, her best friend, you
know she she has spoken about this. She was nine
nine at the time. Again world shattered, changed forever and
now working through and has a beautiful life to herself
and also is working as a victim's advocate. So once

(54:30):
again you purpose, pa purpurpose.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yes, listen, we have this bizarre story of a couple
who adapted over a dozen babies from Sarah Gates who
didn't really know the shocking reality of what their sarrogacy meant.
So we're going to talk about that and also some
scandalous let booboo chatter that has body all up in arms,

(54:54):
and yeah, we want to hear it. We want to
hear some happy news too, So if you have some
good news to share eight three one crime, please share it.
We all need a little bit of a palette cleanser
from all of this crime and sex trafficking talk. It's
like a big ick. I have some good news that
I want to share. It's not about me. I just

(55:14):
love Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Hundred so adorable those two.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I'm late to the game, I get it, but I
just want to eat them up. It's so delicious with
my favorite couple.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Yeah, they really seem so at ease. And actually the
movie's supposed to be hilarious Naked Gun. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
It's the reason I'm going to go see it this weekend,
just because I think they're so adorable. Yeah, and I
really look at each other like he just obviously seems
so you know, enamored by her, and she seems so
at ease with him, gigly and herself, and you know,
I wish everybody that dynamic. So yeah, here's to love.

(55:55):
Here's that's the good nos I have to share.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
All Right, Well, I have a less good news, but
it's something that has been very prevalent in I'm like
a one man bad news bears. So this is a
story that probably has hit a lot of your you know, feeds,
and it's about the body of a missing North Carolina teen,

(56:20):
Giovanni Peltier, Pelletier. Excuse me, So Giovanni vanished and when
he did, he sent one final haunting text to his
mother and people had been searching for him and he
was found in a retention pond in Manatee County, Florida.
So back just on Friday, August eighth, a male body

(56:45):
was located and again has been identified as the eighteen
year old Giovanni. He'd been on vacation. He'd been on
vacation in Florida with his family and he disappeared. This
was August first, and this happened after he was picked
up by cousin, so it was extended family. But within
half an hour of being picked up by the extended family,

(57:09):
he sent a text to his mother, reading mom, pulp scam,
I mean no really yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
No no other indication of why he needed help though,
right like that was nothing else scary.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Can you imagine his mother that right now to get
that text?

Speaker 3 (57:32):
So again he did he try to like call her
too and.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Yeah, So he had been on vacation with his mother,
her fiance, and his four younger siblings. Okay, yeah, and
before they left for a vacation. Giovanni he joined a
message group with his paternal relatives and arrange for them
to pick him up bring him to visit his paternal grandfather.

(57:57):
So all seems great, and Giovanni's aunt, Desiree, she said
that Giovanni was unable to meet with his father because
he is currently incarcerated, but he was excited to meet
his cousins for the first time, so it was sort
of a time, yeah, to reconnect. So he was picked

(58:17):
up by these three cousins. This was it was late.
It was about one point thirty in the morning on
August Firth first, and it was to go on a
long drive, so it could have been, you know, save
time in traffic and drive late. But something happened about
twenty five minutes into the drive, some kind of a
conflict arose. The car was pulled over, and the accounts

(58:39):
are conflicting. The cousins described Giovanni as acting erratically and
pulling a knife. Others describe him exiting the car by
his own.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Volition and walking away. So things are hmm, a.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Little I possible there was like a family dispute. So
dad is in prison, now he's meeting him. Cousins. Obviously
he hasn't spent much time with them. We're only twenty
five minutes into this car ride. So what would possibly
have happened so quickly that would make Giovanni want to
walk away?

Speaker 4 (59:13):
As of right now, it doesn't appear that that's known,
but we do know that he tried to call and
FaceTime his poor mother multiple times, and then he reached
out to various other relatives for help.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
So something he was.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
He was in dress and the following morning, his back back,
his phone and other personal belongings were located by a
truck near the roadside that they had been driving on.
So it's it's really.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Mom was probably just sleeping. It was one thirty in
the morning, two am.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Well, she tried, He tried to call and fast time
her too, right, I mean she correct Listen if he
tried to call me and FaceTime me the moline and
I'm not going to answer either, right, No, yeah, you'll
shake her.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I know. It was two o'clock in the morning, three
o'clock in the morning. Who's going to answer the phone
at that hour? Oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Yeah, So this investigation, we will keep on this story,
and the autopsy is scheduled for Sunday, August seventeenth, and
it's very there's just very many questions because the preliminary
autopsy it showed no obvious external signs of trauma or
foul play. So again, we'll keep you updated, but that

(01:00:31):
is the headline.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
And I asked a question, is there is the family
or the cousins that were on the paternal cousins that
were having this car ride. Nobody has been brought into
suspicion that there doesn't seem to be any connection there
as if not that we know of yet, I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Thank god, they're kind of being closed lipped a better thing.
The autopsy schedule for next week, and wow, we don't know. Yeah,
so it's all kind of hushrush right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Maybe they had a confrontation and then he walked away,
and then he walked into foul circumstances, perhaps unrelated.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Yeah, unrelated to like the confrontation, if exactly. I suppose
it's entirely possible. Anything's possible at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
Anything's possible, so that there will be more coming out,
more information.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
So what do we else? We got? Should we? Should
we go to?

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Here's summer s Boo boo boo. Listen love boo boo Babe.
You guys know I'm into littla boo boos. Okay, yeah, block,
I buy some blind boxes. Can I spill your secrets
that you of course? Okay loves the lt boo boo.
They come dressed in no outfits. You buy the clothes, Well,
you dress them in outfits that are better than mine.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I spec I like, well, okay, don't boos.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I was gonna say, Courtney, don't sell yourself short, you know,
but you're right compared to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Bodies boo boos.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
You guys even put eyelashes on them like out of control.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
I listen, I don't have children. I have to dress
something up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
It's like, you know, you know, not everyone knows about
these la boo boos, So explain, explain what these things.

Speaker 11 (01:02:28):
They're like.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
These little they're like maybe what six inches I'm holding
one up. There may be like six inches tall. They're furry,
they've got like ugly little faces, but.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
They're so cute.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
They are super and you know, there's there's retail shops
where they sell like you know, Louis quote unquote Louis
Vuitton dresses and Chanel dresses and hats and purses and
like little Nike shoes and like gold chains, and they're
really cute and you dress them up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
And people including Rihanna, they're often clipped to like a.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
Back something to look like a little little like a
car carabineer type of thing, and you clip them to
your purse or you're you know, your rear view mirror, whatever,
and you dress them up how you want. I have
several different outfits for mine, and I dress them up
depending on what's going on in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
I'm not kidding. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Wait, I have a little inside, a little behind the
scenes when somebody has to say, like the business of
our show of you're listening to or whatever, body like
holds up her La Boo boo. It's like, okay, I'm up,
I'm gonna say it now. Basically, it's basically like everybody,
zip it. It's my turn, and the La boo boo
is the signal. And by the way, could not be cuter.

(01:03:38):
It's so cute, looks exactly like you. It does, right, Yes,
it's so cute.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Adorable purpose at all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Well, I don't like the negative self talk. Body. We're
going to work on this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Listen.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
It's just how I am. I I love myself. It's
just how I talk. It's nothing, you know, nothing crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
So we're working on what. Yet.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
On Wednesday, August sixth.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
Masked thieves reportedly stole seven thousand dollars worth of La
Boo Boo dolls from a toy store in La Puente, California.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
It seems very Lapente, it does, right, Listen, you guys
are laughing, and I'm taking this very seriously. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
We're just desperate for respect. A lot of trauma tonight,
can we tell it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
I just kind of explained what Lab Boo Boo dolls are.
They were created by a Hong Kong artist they've been
you know, kind of viral on the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Oh yeah, no, there are a big deal with liberty status.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
You buy these blind boxes.

Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
You don't know what color or you know, whatever you're
going to get, and there's rare ones kind of like
Pokemon a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
There's rare ones you can and they sell.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
You can resell these things for like, you know, five
six hundred bucks and you pay twenty eight dollars for them,
and you get a blind box and whatever one you get,
what you get, and they're really fun. But somebody stole
them knowing the resell value of them. I'm imagining and listen,
it's not just one guy. Multiple masked suspects used to
stolen Toyota Tacoma in this heist and cleared the shelves

(01:05:08):
methodically at you know, because it's all in surveillance footage.
The stolen dollars were valued at around seventy thousand dollars ago.
The store owner, Joanna avan Dano estimated the total loss
near thirty grand.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
Because when I sell value right right, right right, and
especially when you if you don't do the blind boxing, this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Is kind of scary.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
You got to be careful about what you're advertising because
the store advertised or announced a La Buobo restock, so
the thieves knew. Oh they got, you know, a restock
from PopMart who makes the Laboo boos, And they were like,
we're going to hit that store.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
So please listen. If you're selling La Boo Boos, just
call me directly.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Wait, so, way did you discover the La Bubo because
I feel like you were first in line. I know
you knew about it before anybody. I think.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
I saw it on like YouTube or TikTok and a
bunch of my friends were like, look at these monsters.
I'm obsessed and I'm like, what the stupid thing? And
then and then I saw the outfits you could buy,
and I was like, oh, listen, a little Nikes that
they sell I could look at Yeah, I could indies.
This one's indies, Like it's not a little gold chain?

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Look at that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Yeah, isn't she the present?

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
And look at the little Nikes? Look at the little Nikeys.
Aren't those adorable fection?

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
I want? I want to eat them for dinner. They're
so cute I can't take it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
And and the purses they have, like little sunglasses and
purses and hands you know, just I just really like
dressing them up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
I can't explain it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
It's like style meal with Joe Bag.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
It looks like we're a little homeless right now. Tomorrow
we're going to dress up like dress up.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
Yeah, Well, stick around. We've got more serious things to
dig into. The Los Angeles surrogacy scheme that has investigators
and us quite frankly stunned. The story is wild. Keep
it right here at True Crime Tonight. We're talking true
crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
So listen. There is this wild case out of California
where this couple has had many, many, many children that
they have brought into their own home through syrogacy. I
might add like twenty one children that have been found,
and apparently it has been well, Courtney tell us everything.

(01:07:35):
It's been this terrible case of I want to say
child abuse, but that's not what it's being called.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
It almost reminds me of animal hoarding. I know these
are children I appreciate, so please don't jump all up
and down on me. But I don't know what it's
the right word, what it stems from. So what's going
on is authorities in Arcadia, which is in California. Authorities
removed twenty one children who were in the care of
a couple. We're just going to call a mom and

(01:08:02):
dad for ease. So, and this happened after there was
a hospitalization of an infant who had traumatic injuries. Allegedly
they were caused by a nanny, so that tipped people off.
And all of these twenty one children, the vast majority
believed to be born through surrogacy, are now in protective custody.

(01:08:24):
So that's good, and law enforcement is investigating whether the
couple operated an unregulated surrogacy scheme and misled surrogate mothers
across the United States. It's confusing, confusing one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
So basically a couple, by the way, they have like
a thirty year age difference, right, Well, she is thirty
eight May so she's yeah, how old is she thirty eight?
Thirty eight? And he's how old?

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Sixty five? Okay, it didn't seem so.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Crazy, I mean, okay, So they decided they want to
have a family, maybe because you know this air quotes,
dad is a little on the older side, So they
want to have a family. So they turned to Saragacy
and Sarahgacy if you're not sure what that is, it's
like you basically pay another person, a woman to carry
your child for various reasons, many really common, you know,

(01:09:20):
and that happens into it, you know, of course, like
you know, sometimes that's just life's plan and it's a
beautiful thing. So in this case, they did this twenty
one times, and apparently twenty one of these children, who
are all very very very young.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
But well, that's the thing, that's what I was just
going to say, twenty one and most of these kids
are between the ages of one and three. So did
they have like multiple surgis. Yes, at the same time.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
Yeah, they did farm, and they were all yeah, and
they were all you know, brought to their home and
then this mom and dad it's there's this arrested on
suspicion of felony, child endangerment collect But that's where I
brought in. I feel like there's something psychologically devious at
risk while they're while they're having all of these children.

(01:10:10):
And I think two of the children, it's not a fact,
it's it's a thought that two of the children actually
are biologically too mom. But yes, there were multiple surrogates.
They've now several of them have now come forward. They
say they were misled. They thought the couple's intentions were

(01:10:33):
they didn't realize that there were all these other surrogates
carrying these children simultaneously.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
How interesting. So twenty one, so it's minus the two.
So maybe like over ten at the same time. Right,
So if they're between ages one and three, all twenty
one of them, Yeah, that means that a lot of
surrogates women carrying somebody else's child for them. That was

(01:11:01):
happening in masses. It's like ten hot time right at
a time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
And one of the surrogates who came forward again multiple
have said she was that the couple told her they
only had one other child, and she is now seeking
to fight custody at her biological child through a GoFundMe
because yeah, all of these children, it's sort of what's happening.
And another woman who came out, she was a beautician

(01:11:30):
and she was approached via Facebook and it ended up
being the mom and mom at this time, So she
reached out on Facebook and claimed that she and her
husband were childless and they were seeking a surrogate. And
then this woman was offered fifty five thousand dollars and
rent free housing during the pregnancy so the surrogate a

(01:11:54):
lot of money. That's a lot of money and that
and housing. That's right, she did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Two of them still pregnant. There's like two sarrogates that
are correct currently now as people make it currently. I
mean they must because that's two times twenty one.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
That's over a million dollars if we're talking. Yeah, but
that's why I'm saying, I don't understand. Doesn't seem like
they're getting a financial gain. It just seems like they're
getting many There's something children, there's something going on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
With and one of them was apparently abused by the nanny,
so like something is happening in the age of care.
So they're not fully being cared for, just based on
the fact that the story was tipped off because of
an incident with a nanny.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
That's right, and there was and what particularly tipped them
off was when the child was brought in. This baby
was having seizures and it was two days after the
event that happened, and that is what raised the red flags.
So I don't know, Like California, there are no laws
limiting how many children you can have through surrogacy. Probably

(01:13:07):
this is one of those thought of things right right now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Yeah, well, I think I just read.

Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
I just read one of the surrogates that's pregnant right now.
She said that the mom contacted her last month about
arranging a legal document called a pre birth order that
would allow her to take the child home from the
hospital when it's born later this year. So they had
this arrangement that the surrogate was going to give birth

(01:13:36):
to the hospital and the mom who's been accused now
was going to take her home from the hospital. Another
the other one, her name, it's been released. Alexa Fassold
said she is unsure what will happen to her child
that she's caring, and she's evaluating legal options, including whether
she and her husband can serve as its foster parents.

(01:13:58):
Could you imagine you give birth right and then after
your own child. I can't imagine that the legal system
will turn this child over to this mother who has
twenty one other children, and now is, you know, facing
these charges. I can't imagine. But stranger things have happened.
Stranger things have happened.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Stranger things have happened. That's really crazy. I've never heard
anything of anything like this.

Speaker 10 (01:14:21):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
I have heard of people hoarding animals and you know
things and those kinds of things. But it does kind
of have that vibe, right, that's what I'm Yeah, but
with people, I've never heard of that before.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Have you heard of this before?

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
Let us know, give us a call eighty eight thirty
one crime or leave us a stalk back. I really
want to know if people have heard of these like
hoarding people.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
What it is, yeah, or is there just this feeling
as a couple or maybe as a man the dad
air quotes that is in wanting to create you know,
his legacy maybe in many many ways, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
See that, And probably it's a religious thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Maybe it's like a Nick Cannon thing. You know, I'm
not saying that disparagingly, but like there are celebrities that
have a lot of children and it's because they want
to create their you know air quotes tribe.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Right, Okay, this situation that we just describe is not funny.
But what is is the Nick Cannon If you guys
remember it was about a year ago and they were
saying like, oh, the population twenty years from now, and
it was every iteration of Nick Cannon.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
As a man a woman. Because it is it's like
a compulsion. I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
It must be, do you guys watch Selling Sunset? Yes,
for sure. And then Nick Cannon's, uh, you know one
of his the mother, I like, I enjoy her. I
don't know her, but I think she seems so wonderful
on the show. But yeah, it's like a real thing
like they are. It seems to be on board.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
It seems was this like an investment thing because the company,
the company that they operate, this couple, they operated a
business called Mark Surrogacy Investment LLC.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Right, I wonder like, why what investment? What is that?

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
Maybe like Mark business call your thing Mark Mark surrogacy,
But why are they running a company for surrogacy when
they're paying? Like, I don't understand they're not the ones
making that. Are they selling these children? Is what I'm
trying to say.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Are they trafficking those children? Is what I want to say. Right,
I mean, Elaine Maxwell behind all of them.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
But yeah, that well that was But then with them
all living there.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
I maybe negotiations are being made, like you know, these
are only these are small children. You know, they're they're
three years old. Most wants to discuss, so they're you
know this is crazy. This is this is insane, and
I'm and I sound kind of like dumb, but I'm
kind of in.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Disbelief a little. Well that I mean, that makes that
makes the most sense.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
I thought perhaps they had this LLC to make, then
they would have control of the paper work and make
the transaction team.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
When you're watching out.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
Of investment, it's like you're investing in something, right when
when you mean your ac companying body move and investments.
When you talk to me, you think I'm gonna be
making investments for you and making you money, I'm not
going to you know, be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Yeah, I mean fair.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
Or they are, as Stephanie said, investing in their future.
And perhaps the couple wanted a tribe, or they had
wicked and nefarious ideas and trafficking was one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I immediately, I'm looking up right now.

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
The surgacy commit community and childwearful advocates have raised alarms
over the lack of oversight in the surrogacy you know
situation in general, right, and they're they're saying that this
case highlights the potential exploitation of both surrogates and the
children in commercial arrangements. And yeah, I mean you hear

(01:17:53):
about it all the time. Like the one of the
reasons I never went through with it was, you know,
because I wanted to have kids. I thought I really
wanted to kid's name. I'm fifty. You can still adopt
what they don't really adopt people like me. But I'm
just saying, like I looked into surrogacy and I got
sketched out because everybody's so sketchy, right, and then you have,

(01:18:16):
you know, stories like these that just make it even worse.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
You're like, oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
I mean this, I really hope is a singular case.
But I'm sorry I didn't know, and that sketchy was
the word you used. Experience. I know you'd be a
great mom.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
I would look at my blue wheel.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
So that you love.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Come on, I think we can still listen.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
No, I don't know, travel animals, that's a pretty There's
a lot of ways to live a life.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
That's right, that's fair, that's yeah, and I'm okay, I
promise no question about that. Body is living her very
best life and we just want to be a part
of it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
I was just saying, like, it's a sketchy thing, right,
Like you know, you you hear sometimes we're sort of
get you know, they wanted they end up giving birth
and then they keep the baby.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Absolutely, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
You've invested your heart and soul and understandably they want
to keep the baby.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
They just gave birth to this. You know, it's like right,
I would too, No Shade, they just can't take that chance.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
So yeah, as updates come and we do find what
the rationale behind.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
This situation is, we'll definitely share with you. We'll be
following and listen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
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Speaker 10 (01:20:08):
Can I tain? This is Leah from Australia. I just
wanted to say thank you for the podcast and for
your coverage of the coburger at her case.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
I just wanted to.

Speaker 10 (01:20:18):
Ask if either of you have been following the New
Orleans Unsolved podcast and what Anna Christie has been doing
with respect to some of the missing boys in New Orleans.
I think she's done an incredible job and I'd love
to hear her on the show. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Wait, I don't know about her. I don't want to
have her on.

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
Yes, if she's doing good things in New Orleans, I'm
sure Morgan too, right, yeah, So maybe we can write
her name down and look into her and see if
we can get her on.

Speaker 7 (01:20:51):
Right ta, I am already on it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
I see this. By the way, that Australian accent, I'm
not It is so just music to my heart. It
feels so good. And ya to Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Do you have a favorite accent?

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
I might be a Brillian, I will Australian and British
kind of scratched the same itch for me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Irish, yeah, oh, I love an Irish.

Speaker 9 (01:21:19):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Courtney, and it's a real up and down. That's a
that can be that can be hard to understand. Depending
that's a little hard one.

Speaker 7 (01:21:26):
I was just an Ireland and I could not understand
a single thing that anybody was saying.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Why wait, as I'm half Irish and Courtney Armstrong obviously taking.

Speaker 7 (01:21:34):
The like they're so heavy and it's hard to like
to follow some.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Of the how hard could it be? Really like, give
me an example one hard.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Now, I'm going to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
But that was like, let's talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
But that was that was basically it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:53):
Some of them have a heavier version.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
I did my ancestry DNA, you know, like my mom
got me one for Christmas and I did it. I
turned it in and I was like sixty five percent
Irish and like thirty percent Scottish. I was like, oh
and like five percent English, and I was like, oh
my god, I'm really like from that area.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Wait, you know, like I really a lot of Irish. Yeah,
sixty five.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
Well, because I had one of those and my husband,
like a normal person, he had a little bit of
Scotland and his mother, you know, a bunch of different places,
and I had like one dot in Cork.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
That's what are you guys?

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Sisters?

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Pork County Island.

Speaker 5 (01:22:33):
That's my so growing up we knew we were Alish,
you know, obviously and it was Cork County.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Yeah, wait, county court, right, Cork.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
I had my grandma had a magnet, a magnet and
that was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Yeah, Cork County.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Yeah, what is that?

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
It's weird?

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Yeah, well, road tripping to Ireland because Irish, I don't listen.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
You know, crime com organizers, please do a crime con
UK in maybe Northern Ireland because that is the UK,
right technically, and we'll come.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Are you guys related? That's a really small place to
have so much there?

Speaker 7 (01:23:14):
Interesting?

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
I really I really did enjoy doing that. Though it
was fun to do the answer I liked.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
It, I don't love it because I feel like you're
going to get cloned. I'll leave everybody. Other body listen
one boo boo. You seen them all. You're one in
a million, so listen. Thank you everybody for joining tonight.
We want to hear from you. Talk back tuesdays tomorrow,
so leave us a message and listen. We are talking

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