Louvre Heist Fallout, D4vd Private Investigator Reveals Findings, and Prince Andrew Faces Royal Exile

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
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with Courtney Armstrong and Body move In and the boys.
We have Taha, Sam and Adam. We are all together tonight.
Happy Monday, everyone.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
We made it.

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We made it to Monday. The gang is back together.
Mister gang is back together. Listen, court we hope you
had a good time, but we always miss you here all.

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I had a great time and missed you so all around,
but glad to be here.

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I feel like you look down when you said that,
did you really miss us? I'd been be honest a
lot about nonverbal cues and you looked down as you
said that.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Listen, I had some pretty good Italian food last night.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
I'm not gonna lie so worth it.

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By the way, we have this idea in our head
of a couple of things. One is that Courtney's going
to cook for us once a week and that we're
all going to play along.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Because she's actually a really good cook.

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And cooked for me for a while when we shared
her all this, and it's going to keep us all
in line because listen, it's almost sweat a weapon.

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We're getting closer and closer.

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to sort of put together this like make under how
to make ourselves feel good on a dime. If anybody
has any suggestions or tips, we want to hear them,
because you know, I got an avocado mask with my
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Speaker 2 (01:51):
The tips are flowing in and we have an internal
tip happening here right now because listen, we're going to
need it. There's a lot going on in the world
right now. So if you're feeling a little like over
stimulated or disregulated, listen, you've come to the right place,
because we have a stacked night of headlines. It is Monday,
October twentieth, and Prince Andrew again in the hot seat.

(02:13):
He has officially relinquished his title. And this all on
the heels of some of the excerpts that have been
released in Virginia Goufray's upcoming memoir set to drop tomorrow.
And if you're not playing along, Virginia Gufray is, you know,
kind of the main victim who was sort of at

(02:34):
the front of a lot of the allegations against Jeffrey Epstein,
the now deceased financier and sex trafficker, as well as
Gailane Maxwell, who is also being brought back into the
conversation in a very meaningful way. So we're going to
unpack quite a bit of that tonight and we want
to hear from you. So if you have any thoughts

(02:55):
on it, jump in eight eight eight three one crime.
Also this like heist at the Loof in Paris under
seven minutes. You know, we're talking jewels that are considered priceless.
How do you even sell those jewels at any point
because everyone's looking for said diamond or amethyst or whatever

(03:19):
the jewel is. What's the endgame here? And how is
it possible that they pulled that off in pure daylight? Also,
there were tragically, tragically, tragically, human remains found at an
abandoned Philadelphia middle school and those were confirmed to be
twenty three year old Kata Scott. So we're going to
kind of do a little digging into that story as well.

(03:41):
And also there's new information in the David case. We've
been following this pop star David's you know, he is
not a person of interest, but in his vehicle, his tesla,
you'll remember, Celeste Reeves's body was found. She's the thirteen
year old runaway fifteen at the time of her remains
being found in his vehicle. And there's some new information

(04:05):
that's coming out from a private investigator who was hired
by the landlord that David was renting at. So you know,
we're going to unpack that and so much more. But again,
if you want to jump in and join us, please
do we want to hear your beauty tips. We want
to hear your survival sleep tips. We're getting into the
season where the whole world goes nuts. It's the holidays.

(04:28):
They're upon us, so let's all kind of get in
it together. And Courtney Armstrong, where should we begin.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Well, we should begin in the UK Prince Andrew he
has officially relinquished his royal titles. His family has also
been banned from royal events and this has all amid
a lot more scrutiny and resurfacing evidence. There were explosive
allegations detailed in Virginia Guphra's posthumous memoir, which is coming

(04:56):
out tomorrow, and yeah edges.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Virginia Giufrey has long.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Alleged that she was sexually abused by Prince Andrew when
she was a teenager. She claims he absolutely knew she
was a teenager, even making comparisons to her and his being.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
A similar age of his daughters.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
He has consistently denied it, and three years ago, in
twenty twenty two, Prince Andrew did reach an out of
court settlement with Dufrey.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
He did not admit liability.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
But again, this memoir is really reigniting public and institutional
pressure on the prince and the monarchy infrastounding. Yeah, it's astounding,
It's astounding. For Gufray's family, they actually they released a
public statement and said that the decision to relinquish his
title is vindication. They also urged King Charles to strip

(05:49):
him of his title of prince.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
What do we make of this? I mean, think about this.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
This is one of the largest pushes potentially in the
right direction or putting a spotlight on something so wrong.
But for this needle to move is it's an earthquake. Honestly,
it's a big deal.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
And this also applies to Sarah Ferguson, his now ex wife,
who we all love. By the way, I'm a big
Royals like supporter.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
My mom.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
We kind of woke up for the weddings. Oh yeah,
I watched Princess Diana's wedding. I watched Megan Markle's wedding.
I feel like I follow it closely, I review it
in some way, honestly. So something like this to really
be pushed aside, pushed aside for as long as it
has been, to now be front and center and real

(06:39):
action being taken against Prince Andrew is a big deal.
It's a very big deal in fact, and I think
part of it is because you know, Andrew had said
that he didn't have a relationship with Prince Andrew and
he didn't even really remember a Virginia Gouffrey as a
seventeen year old victim in this case, Remember she was

(07:00):
working at mar A Lago at the time, owned by
President Trump. Still remains that he wasn't obviously the president
at the time. Her dad worked in the gardens like
he kept the property and then Epstein somehow met her
there and basically air quotes, stole her from working in
the SPA to therefore work for him as a messuse.

(07:25):
And at that point, allegedly according to her, she was
kind of lent out and passed around to very powerful,
influential men. There's an account where she says in the book,
and you know, Boddy, you and I were just talking
about this before the show started where she and allegedly
eight other girls were having an orgy with you know.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Girls not women. Girls.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I know we always say underage women and I do
it too. It's like, it's not know you did girls?
Is underscore? Can we put a highlighter straight through that
with an exclamation point?

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Again?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
You know, these are very high profile people who who
kind of control the narrative, right, So where do you
go from help? How do you get beyond the shame
to actually ask for help? And how do you call
somebody out knowing full well that there's just a world
of shame ahead of you. And in this case, some
of those excerpts, you know, they're pretty astounding, Boddy, you

(08:27):
know you were talking about a few of them. What
was the major one that came to mind for you.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
The one that I read said that, you know, she.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
Was at the island and Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein
were there with her with eight other young girls, and
that they had, you know, an orgy, and she woke
up in the morning and she had blood you know
that she should not have had.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
And then later on.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
It doesn't really say how long after she woke up
in Jeffrey's apartment in Manhattan and there was a pool
of blood. He took her to the hospital and managed
her care and took charge is the words that were used.
And she had a scar in her abdomen. And she

(09:20):
doesn't know what happened to her, but she because the
medical records don't tell her and they wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Tell her what was going on. It's very very weird.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
But she thinks that she was pregnant, is what she thinks,
and that she had an ep topic pregnancy you know,
that would require them to go in and get it,
you know, But she thinks that she woke up and
she was Yeah, she thinks she was pregnant.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
It's really sad.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
These allegations are horrible beyond I have to tell you
one thing. Amidst all of the graphic. There's allegations of
Prince Andrew with a puppet that looked just like himself
and grabbing Unguria's girl's breasts and lap sitting in all
of this, there is much of that. It's horrible. What
honestly I can't get out of my mind is the

(10:04):
allegation that Ebstein would ask Virginia Guffrey, who he said,
you're my number one, to tuck him in at night.
And that's not a euphemism for something sexual. That's literally
tuck him in like a child under bed and you know,
sit in the room while he fell asleep, and sort
of this very nurturing thing that he was asking for

(10:27):
a girl who was too young to have received all
of the nurturing that she deserved at that age in life.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
And that feels diabolical to me.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
There was another interesting one, and it's about It wasn't
in the book, but it's information.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
It's about Prince Andrew.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
So in two thousand and six he did he had
a white party and a yacht in Saint Tropez and
Fergie took her daughter, Princess Beatrice to this white party.
That year later she turned eighteen, and guess who was
there at this party at her for this princess her
birthday party.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Jeffrey Epstein, The.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Tentacles are hard to deny. And by the way, if
you're just jumping and joining us, you're listening to true
crime tonight.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
I'm Steph.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I'm here with Courtney and body and we are talking
about all things Epstein and Prince Andrew and the recent
you know, reveal that he's no longer having the same
titles that he once did, and norwal Fergie as well.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
That also affects their two children. And listen, these are
two children, you know, the daughters who have nothing to
do with this. Of course, you know, they all grew
up together.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
This is family, right, So these are real lines in
the sand at a very specific time in the world.
And that's a big deal. It's a really big deal
to be able to pull that off. And on the
one hand, we should all say that's something we should
all be grateful for because there's a guiding light. On
the other, Prince Andrew claims that he is innocent of

(11:55):
these charges and that he is being kind of judged
by association, and that even though he had made public
acclaims that he had severed ties with Jeffrey Epstein after
he was charged back in two thousand and seven, two
thousand and eight in West Pound Beach and found guilty of,

(12:15):
you know, all the things we know him to be
a sex trafficker and sex offender. That's not accurate, because
we have photographs of Prince Andrew with Epstein thereafter on
several occasions. He has said publicly that those were in
person conversations to air quotes breakup, whatever that's worth. So again,
we're not looking to blame, by the way, I actually

(12:37):
had I saw we were talking about this earlier as well.
I think it was CBS this morning on Sunday, and
jump in correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I saw an.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Interview with the ghost writer of Virginia Gufrey's book Again,
which is coming out tomorrow, who said that Virginia herself
was very encouraged that President Trump was taking the reins
because as a victim, she felt like a he was
not super involved. That was the perception of the ghostwriter,
and that more importantly, the fact that he was running

(13:07):
on this idea of releasing the foot you know, these
infamous Epstein files, was really comforting to her and also
to her fellow victims. And that's been the confusing part here.
So I think we all collectively kind of feel like,
what is the deal? We were told we're going to
get them, Now we're not. Now we're hearing about Virginia's

(13:30):
experience post her death April twenty twenty five. She took
her own life sadly, leaving her own children behind.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Was she just troubled?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Suicide would suggest that was she afraid of maybe what
would happen to her once this book was released. That's
up for conversation or was there more to it? And
in reality, we just don't know.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
It's scary what we don't know, and it's to me
it's also scary the implication that the royal family may
have known.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Do you know what mean? Like yes?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
And by the way, the idea is that this is continuing,
This is a large operation. Jeffrey Epstein is one piece
of a very big puzzle. He is no longer with us, right,
so Geilaine Maxwell a piece of a puzzle. But in theory,
this exact same scenario of trafficking with underage or above
age women worldwide is happening right now. This is not

(14:27):
a story about then, This is a story that needs
to break now in order to prevent it from happening,
moving forward and triggering right the end.

Speaker 6 (14:38):
I don't know now you said something about his family
is banned from events to do the girl?

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Do they lose their titles to his children? I think
Fergie and Andrew for sure are banned.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Wow, his family has been banned from events.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I didn't know that. Well.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
When we come back, a bold robbery inside the lourf
leaves the museum shut down as.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
A vestigator's hunt for the priceless stolen jewels. Keep it
right here, True Grimes.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with
Body Movin and Courtney Armstrong.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
We have the band back together. And listen.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Even though everybody holds down the fort so nicely, it's
always great when it's just us kids, just us chickens,
with so much to discuss, right, Taha, you were going
to just jump in.

Speaker 7 (15:36):
Oh No, I was raising my hands in the air
because I love the music.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
But like you, I hope you guys were too. And listen.
We're going to go straight to a talk back.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Hi y'all.

Speaker 8 (15:49):
I've been listening to your commentary on the Celestree, this
Hernandez case. I just wanted to offer up maybe a
potential explanation for why David transferred some of those properties
to his mom's name since he had to cancel his
world tour. Maybe he's expecting to take a pretty significant
financial hit, possibly even needing to file for bankruptcy, and

(16:10):
maybe he's just trying to protect those properties. Obviously, there's
not many answers coming out, and he hasn't been charged
with anything. So just offering a suggestion, I.

Speaker 6 (16:18):
Agree brilliantly, totally dead off in fact stuff that's what
you said, is yah.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
I just think there's it's terrible.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
If he had nothing to do with this, then his
financial future is really questionable. To do a world tour
of that size for any artist is a really big
deal and it's hard to pull off. It requires a
lot of people, a lot of financial investment. You don't
just pull the plug and walk away and say sorry,

(16:48):
not well. How many documentaries are things that we've seen
about artists who are sick beyond words? You know, canceling
for one night is hideous because a it's terrible for
US fans obviously, but also it's a bottom line number
that nobody wants to see and somebody's flipping the bill.

(17:09):
So I have a sneaking suspicion that world tour ended.
Whether he had something to do with this or not,
it's just death by association.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
At this point, he has not been named a suspect.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
So if that's the case, and he's on the hook
for maybe some financial payback, and again we're you know,
we're speculating insight sourcing, it would make a lot of
sense to want to protect whatever properties you do have.
He's a young man at the beginning of his career.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Wow, and also maybe the end, depending upon how this
does shake out. But even taking the tour out of it.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Which would be a huge.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Chie A body in your vehicle like looking compares to
Celeste obviously, like where I'm not.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Suggesting, no, not at all. I'm just it was to
answer the question about the money. Another reason you might
do it is in advance of civil litigation where you
have and or in advance of having to front your defense.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Should you not want to go that.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
Route, because even though he might not be responsible for
her death, he could be liable for like wrongful death
right civilly. I mean, we've seen this play out many
times in many cases, right, these civil lawsuits get filed,
So there's any number of reasons. And I think the
talkback though, I think she and Useefhane actually might be right.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
We're seeing this even with Prince Andrew, right, So even
though there were not formal allegations that he was convicted
of air quotes in his association with Jeffrey Epstein, there
was a sizeable payout that happened civilly just to either
make it go away or to make it go away, right,
which it does not appear that that has happened. But yeah, Courtney,

(18:59):
you're you're completely right. I think that that is probably
exactly what's in play here, all of it.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, well, there is a new update.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
So the private investigator that was hired by the landlord
of the house that David was renting. His name is
Stephen Fisher. We've talked about him numerous times. He may
have found something very interesting. So the private investgator, Steve
Fisher's findings suggests that the tesla in which Celeste Revas

(19:27):
Hernandez was found may have been moved and tampered with
by someone other than the owner, okay of the car.
All right, So as you remember Celeste Reevas Hernandez, she
was thirteen years old when she ran away. She was
found a day after her fifteenth birthday, so she was

(19:47):
technically fourteen years old because she had been in the
trunk for weeks at least. And I'm going to get
into why I'm going to say that. So the video
obtained by the private investigators T Fisher shows what it
appears to be someone driving this tesla registered to David
on July twenty ninth, twenty twenty five. Now, remember class

(20:09):
was found in September eighth, right.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
The car was towed September.

Speaker 6 (20:15):
Fifth, So if you just used that, it was sitting
there for six five to six weeks, okay, okay, So that's.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Way prior to her birthday. She was fourteen.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
We need to bind the fifteen year old vocabulary from
our lives, right, yea.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Even I said it because it was always pointed as
fifteen years old. But in mortality, she was fourteen. Her
life was lost at fourteen.

Speaker 6 (20:39):
At fourteen, she never saw fifteen, just very her breath away,
it does, right. So the vehicle had been abandoned in
this Hollywood Hills area, and later on September eighth, you know,
it was this is when her body was found, and
you know, everybody was reporting, she's fifteen, she's fifteen, she's fourteen,
she was fourteen years old. I think it's important to

(21:01):
keep that insane. It's horrible. So Fisher revealed that several
parking citations and the Tesla's app logs. You know, remember
we were talking about the century and the Tesla app. Well,
these these are records that track the car's movements and
the locations. Well, these were never added to the LAPD

(21:21):
official case file.

Speaker 7 (21:23):
Oh okay.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
He noted a ten to fourteen day gap in the
vehicle's positional data. So two weeks somehow there's it's offline.
It's not logging, it's not you know whatever, it's not
doing what it's supposed to do, suggesting that the Tesla
may have been moved, cleaned, tampered with. We don't know

(21:48):
during this period because there's no log of its movements
at all.

Speaker 9 (21:51):
What.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, it's very interesting. The implication bodies.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
So I understand, would the tamper with be someone trying
to disable.

Speaker 6 (21:59):
Possibly because there's no record of it. It's like proving
a negative, right, Like, we don't know, you know, this
is all just kind of a speculation at this point.
So Fisher also stated that some of the digital logs
and the physical items like that were connected to the
car during that period were never picked up by the LPED.
They never took them. What yeeshire, It's very bizarre. It's

(22:23):
it's insane. So they are in his possession and they
were never collected by the investigators. Those materials are now
being compared to witness statements to assess whether they were
used to obscure Celesreva's death after or did it help
uncover it.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
We don't know yet.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
The video surveillance may identify a person who drove the
car during that gap, and Steve said that the camera
was close enough to the car where he can see
the outfit of the person that's like wearing what they're wearing,
and it matches somebody's outfit that was in previous Instagram
posts of David's.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
We're no it was.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Corney and I are like, we're all leaning in, so
can I just like make sure that I'm tracking this correctly.
I know where I'm at time, but like, the idea
is that David the pop star was going away to
his world war, right, So at some point he leaves
his Hollywood Hills place that he's renting for twenty thousand

(23:29):
dollars a month, and there seems to be a lapse
in a call to judgment by the police. Obviously they
don't want to put out misinformation. So now the landlord
of this place behind the Chateau Marmont off of Sunset
in the Hollywood Hills. If you know the area, it's
really exclusive. It's really hard to like leave a car

(23:51):
there endlessly. You get ticketed immediately you walk out of
your car to like feed the meter and you get
a ticket literally, and it's like, so not a place
that is casual. But all that to be said, he's
paying a very high rent, and he goes on tour
and at some point his car is impounded and then

(24:13):
beautiful Celestees body is found in it, decomposing because it's
been in there for so many weeks. You know, she's
fourteen at that time. Then the landlord, the twenty thousand
dollars a month landlord is like, look, I got to
rent this place.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
What are we going to do here?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Something's going to give. Yeah, I need some details. So
he hires his own investigator, who's really acclaimed and really
well respected by the way, not free to do their
own investigation, which, according to the News Now is pretty
telling that he's suggesting that this car has been moved

(24:50):
around over the weeks. Maybe this Tesla technology was was
it dismantled.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
It's a Tesla, isn't it supposed to know everything in
the world. It's the I thought it.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
But there's a ten to fourteen daycap of unaccounted movement
where the vehicle may have been cleaned, relocated, or tampered with.
We don't know, So we don't know what the tech
where the Tesla was during this ten to fourteen day period.
And you know, they're asking for anybody if you have
video surveillance of that area during you know, from July

(25:22):
twenty ninth to September third, let's say, because that's when
the first ticket was received at the Tesla, to please
let authorities know.

Speaker 7 (25:29):
That's the ask that's asked.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
But I can tell you that, you know, Steve said
he did an interview with Ashley Banfield, and he said
that you can see the clothing of the driver and
it matches the same clothing of a friend of David's
that he can verify via Instagram, you know, or you know,
basically social media posts and whatnot that David had made
in the past. And by the way, this friend that

(25:54):
he that listen, it's an unspoken secret of you know,
I'm not going to say the person's name, but this
sure him and David don't follow each other on social media,
and they've wiped each other clean.

Speaker 7 (26:06):
You see.

Speaker 10 (26:07):
I always there's a friend or someone else's setting him up.

Speaker 7 (26:11):
I've always felt like this is a whole way because
it's too.

Speaker 10 (26:15):
In the nose, like you, like we said that it's
too videos, right, Yeah, there's something fish about.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
So somebody potentially would have had access to David's vehicle
after David the Pop Stars departure for his World.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
No, he was potential is in LA at the time.
This is July. He didn't go on to August July
twenty ninth.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
And can we just pull the phone records of this
man who's in this very elaborate fit, So chances are
we're pulling his social blueprint and if you will and
can see who's he who is he communicating with?

Speaker 3 (26:49):
I have a a fourteen year.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Old lifeless body in my hands. What do I do
right in the front crazy in front of my house?
Seems so lame to say it in front of my house,
like it's crazy. Not only is it in my cub
but it's in front of my house right Like it's
like it's outside my front door. So yeah, I don't
it's a little too on the nose, but we're gonna.

(27:13):
We're gonna stand by and see. But if you do
have you know, if you live in the area, please
reach out to LAPD because you might have critical information.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
That's the update on David. Yeah, we're gonna listen if
you want to. If you want to know more, please
follow Steve on Twitter. You can find them at s
F Underscore Investigates. Yeah, he comes really regarded.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah, he's a fine Yeah, and this is true crime tonight.
Hopefully we as wellcome highly regarded. We're on iHeartRadio. I'm
Courtney Ar'mstrong here with the Body Movement and Stephanie Laidecker
and we've been talking about updates in the Celeste Revas case,
who she, of course, was found in the front trunk
of pop star David's tesla. What do you think is

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going on eighty eight three one crime? Because elements of
the crime appear on their nose to mirror stuff that
has literally played out in David's pre published videos. Do
you think that this is some kind of a setup?

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Do you like?

Speaker 4 (28:12):
No, it's all open questions at this point, because again,
this isn't even a homicide.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
So yeah, what do you think? Eight? You're worth noting.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
It is worth noting that, you know, the La County
Medical Examiner has not determined a manner or they haven't publicized, right,
the manner and cause of death.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
He is not named a suspect.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
Right, it's worn so long I did not have the
tele technology reports back. If you think about it, it
hasn't been that long yet, it's like it's been a
million years.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
It feels like a million years just happened.

Speaker 7 (28:44):
Talking about it a bit.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
But she was discovered September eighth.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
It's you know, it's it's October twentieth, so what is
that six weeks so all the time. Yeah, I know,
but it is worth mentioning he you know, he is
not he is not currently mentioned and does a suspect
that publicly that we know of, we you know, we
don't know anything about that yet, Stephane.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
I had my hand up only because I feel like
we didn't get to it. And even in the last
first of all, to Celeste family, our hearts are so
with them. This must be so incredibly, unbelievably difficult.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Do they just want answers? So that's number one.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
And also going even back to this trafficking and Virginia Goufrey,
you know, we were hunting today a little bit for
someplace for like a hotline, like God forbid, anybody in
the sound of our voices right now is in a
situation where they feel as though they can't speak out.
My mom actually flagged this to me yesterday morning because

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she was, you know, just thinking, like, listen, if you're
being trafficked, or if you're in a situation like perhaps allegedly,
allegedly allegedly Virginia Goofrey was with Epstein et cetera.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Who do you call? Where do you go?

Speaker 5 (30:00):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
You so?

Speaker 11 (30:01):
One?

Speaker 4 (30:02):
One place you can go is the National Human Trafficking Hotline.
It is at eight eight eight three seven three seven
eight eight eight say it again eight eight eight three
seven three seven eight eight eight. It is open twenty
four hours a day, seven days a week. It is
in more than two hundred languages.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Oh my gosh. All calls are confidential.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
They are answered by live and highly trained anti trafficking
hotline Advocatesty Armstrong. So that is where to go and listen.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
We're all kind of switching gears right now. I've taken
off my weighted vest. Courtney's put on her weighted vest
and body is just pulling off some eyelashes and is
wearing like the cutest bow that matches.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Her shirt right now. It's so this is an fyi.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
And you know, the gentleman behind the bard Taha smile
is as big as the day is long, and Samonadam,
we've all been discussing things to make our selves feel
better for better sleep. If you have tips, we're all
up for them. Because again, we are not a glamorous show.
We are not making ourselves more glamorous as we chat.

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We're actually taking it all off by the end of
the show. So we are a make under. It is
the make under of true crime tonight. So again, welcome.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
We want you raw, we want the right, We want
you in your pajamas right, yes, yes, yes, we want
like we want the coffee. We want the hot coffee
and pajamas, just you know, spilling some dirt.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Let's exactly exactly, So jump in and join the convo.
Eighty eight to three to one crime.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Leave us a talk back or hit us up on
our socials anytime. And Courtney, what is happening with is Louve.
This thief heist is next level.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Wild, next level.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
I know with a.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
French authority is they're investigating what was a lightning fast,
super professional. It appears jewele heist that happened again at
the Loop in Paris and it is suspected to be
tied to organized crime. The museum remains closed now and
security practices are under really intense scrutiny. This happened the

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morning of October nineteenth, just yesterday. It was nine to
thirty am and a group of mass thieves. They use
a mechanical lift, just this big lift you would see
outside of a building, like a crean.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, in plain sight. Wait, I think that was the
tricky part, right, You cannot tell me. I will be
shocked to hear.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
That this is not an inside job. I think I
think it's like a collector or something that hired like
some guys.

Speaker 7 (32:51):
But to get the crane, there someone on the inside. Yeah, right,
in a way. Don't look at that right now.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
This thing is huge. This crane, I don't know, but
it looks like one.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
But there is a little bit Stephanie, you mentioned you
can't sell sort of some famous crown.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
But here here's some theories. So a couple of more details.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
So they use this gigantic mechanical lift, they scaled the loove.
They stole eight priceless nineteenth century royal jewels like.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
This was on era, this is pollion times.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yes, and France is obviously shocked by the theft, and
they're honestly comparing it to the nineteen eleven Mona Lisa theft.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
And yeah, they're igniting.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
A political outcry over the security failures. So what they're
thinking is the Paris Public Prosecutor confirmed the professional nature
of the heist, and what they suggested is that it
was done quote on spec So it's actually the opposite

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of what I thought too. I would have thought, you know, Joe, billionaires, Hey,
you thieves, go steal it. But what they're hypothesizing is
that the thieves likely carried out this robbery without a
specific buyer lined up, but the expectation that they could
sell these stolen items later, possibly to a.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Private collector on the darkest black market.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
And then also the theory is that the crowns, et
cetera can be broken apart sold in small parts, and
that the thieves wouldn't keep them intact instead would break them,
melt them down, recut the valuable stones.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
That's already well they.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Found finding out it's like getting a rolls Royce, Like
you're not going to keep the car and sell it
in its entirety, You're going to break it down for
the parts.

Speaker 10 (34:49):
Unless there's some megawealthy oligarch out there that's like, I
want to get this.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Who's going to wear the crown that everyone's looking for?
It's a crown, Well.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
It's a jeweled They found the one one of the items.
I think that you were referring to body as Empress
Eugene's crown, and that was for covered damage.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I had to look it up, but it's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Empress Eugene was the Empress of France and she was
married to Napoleon the Third until he was overthrown.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
So that's whose.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Crown it was, and apparently she was quite a fashionista,
I learned in my very quick but even that one
piece alone, it was it had more than thirteen hundred
diamonds and fifty six outs.

Speaker 7 (35:37):
God yeah, and it was.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Just like sitting in like a gaudy yeah, exactly, Like
why so many jewels, Like you know, do you guys
have any jewels?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
We shouldn't even don't even have. Don't even answer this. Yeah,
internet safety, yeah a good news, as I don't. So
that's why I asked the question.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
But I wish I did. But I mean, do you though,
like I would like a diamond, I mean, it's my
birst doll and you know, I would.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Like like a nice little knockoff those easy and they're
so expensive, of course.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Not I would get one of those grown ones, like yeah.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
The grown ones, Yeah, the ones they want to laugh
or I like, I would also really like an emerald
that's pretty.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
It was my mom and sapphire, that's what princess.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
But no, I have no jewels. So yeah, they found
this jewel. They found this crown like in the gutter.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, and its all their tools, there's these things were
left behind, so they think it was.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
On spec because of what was taken.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
I'm guessing like they think because like no collector would
want this hodgepodge of stuff? Is that why they I mean,
I'm wondering why.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
I'm not sure of the rationale, but I do know
that that is what the prosecutor has put out, so
I don't know the intricacies behind it.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
I had a couple of details that I overheard.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, one of them was, so the game plan would
typically be if you were taking a very renowned set
of jewels that were tangled together, like a crown or
a necklace for example, that's all emerald. Yes, you would
melt it down and take the individual jewels and sell
those on the black market because as a whole it

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could never really be souls. It would be the equivalent
of selling the Mona Lisa. So everyone's looking for it.
You can't just like sell a crown. They'd know you're
the guy, right. So the likelihood is that these were
sloppy thieves. Although pretty great, they were just like so
right in front of us that nobody caught it, right.

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So number one, they like literally took a street crane
and just went through a balcony and like have little
chainsaws and did some heavy moving from one end of
the loop to the other.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Is it louver?

Speaker 5 (38:01):
Love?

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Forgive me if I'm saying it.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
My husband, who speaks like a perfect French, says it.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
How I can't louver? Is how they say it? That
was so beautiful. I know how I do Paris, and
I love this whole world.

Speaker 10 (38:18):
So Sam, Sam was there last year, so he can
tell us how to pronounce it.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Sam, what do we say?

Speaker 12 (38:22):
I think it is louver. But I just have a
hard time believing security was not ericause I was around
there around like I think, like nine am, and there
were military guys everywhere when we were in line that
I was afraid to just look in the wrong direction.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
It's the same security guards that were guarding Epstein when
he took his life there. It's like that lost minute,
It's right, it's the same scenario. There's like a missing sitch, right.
So but either way, these jewels are gone, and now
there's obviously it's very high stakes. But do you take
the individual jewels and seldom on the black market?

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Is that an operation? Can you do that?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Or is the idea of you doing that guaranteeing your arrest?
You would have to assume the latter, you would think
what a waste.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Well, and the LOUVER had recently requested funds for a
seven to eight hundred million dollars overhaul for museum infrastructure
and security. And also some rooms of the gallery did
not have CCTV and a local alarm was reportedly out
of order at the time.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
This is it inciting. There's a national Pressures of France.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Like listen, I'm just saying I agree with you more
like a tacking.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Betty knows what's doing. She for sure is on it.
We should shy my mom into because she is outraged.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
But it is outrageous because these are precious jewels and
this is a highly secured location and it's taken everybody
off guard, you know, just in plain sight.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Well, I mean these are these are relics of you know,
everyone's history. You know, the Mona.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
Lisa, and you know, like there's so many things there
that are precious to human history, right, Like this is
something that doesn't just affect France. I mean, obviously the
Crown jewels and whatnot are very important to France's history
and whatnot, but like as part of human history is concerned,
there's a lot of really important art pieces at this place,
and I'm kind of infuriated that they didn't have CCTV there.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
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Speaker 6 (40:42):
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You know, I really want to walk in there one
day and see the Mona Lisa, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (40:50):
I would.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I would love to go. It's so expensive. I just
don't want it to be stolen. Yeah, I'm happy by
a ticket. It's beautiful. I would. I mean, it is nice.

Speaker 12 (41:03):
It's just a lot smaller than you think. Yeah, and
that my suggestion is when you get in there, you
try to run in there and get early before you
have like phones, Like.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Oh yeah, that's true, that's true. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (41:20):
I just it's kind of upsetting that people can just
walk in there and basically take stuff.

Speaker 10 (41:25):
Take something away, and then everyone else now suffers.

Speaker 6 (41:28):
Like Leonardo da Vinci is, like, you know, he he's
not only a talented artist, but he was like an
brilliant engineer, you know what I mean. There's pieces there,
you know, that's people like me and well, people like
everybody find fascinating about the human body. The body, Yeah,
you know, I mean like, there's just so many really

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important pieces to human history, and the fact that these
jerks just walked.

Speaker 7 (41:53):
In and took it makes me angry me too, you
know what makes it even matter?

Speaker 10 (41:56):
Like, did you ever see some of the cases where
I guess these protesters that will go to museums and
then like throw paint or something on the beautiful pieces
that one really, Yeah, I don't like that angers me.

Speaker 7 (42:07):
That's equally is not equally.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
I mean, listen, I'm all for protesting, but I'm not
I'm not I'm not about destroying beautiful pieces of art
that have nothing to.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Do with your protest exactly.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
You know, That's just how I feel. I mean, these
these belong to us as people. You know, this is
part of like I said, human history. Leonard, Like, oh
my god, how can this happen? They need to fix
this or move those pieces to a more secure location.
I'm with you, I'm really up in arms.

Speaker 7 (42:39):
Answer now let's go.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Let's go.

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Speaker 11 (43:50):
What is that?

Speaker 4 (43:52):
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in my shower.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
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Speaker 2 (43:59):
Hey, so vix in my clothes. But first of all,
awesome talk back. You look in our heads because we
were talking about that, and there's one for your sinuses.
It is a little bit of a potent smell though,
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Speaker 3 (44:13):
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Speaker 3 (44:26):
I never heard that.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
I wonder that like tonight, Oh, speaking of okay, this
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Speaker 3 (44:33):
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Speaker 4 (44:36):
I have like one nice piece of unit furniture I
was gifted.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
It's gorgeous wood.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
I don't use coasters in my house, but need to
for this piece. Anyway, water marks damage and I'm like,
I was so mad. I'm like, I can't have anything
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Speaker 3 (44:52):
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Speaker 4 (44:54):
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Speaker 3 (45:03):
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Speaker 2 (45:07):
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Speaker 6 (45:20):
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to put saran wrap in your freezer. Don't put it
in your cupboard because it doesn't stick to itself.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Free finding the tape like that, it's the worst. The line,
it's perfect. Put it in your freezer. It sticks to
the bowl. In all that, I think, are we cleaning experts?

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Listen that more top of the hour, we are going
out to find new ways to reach kids safety. Internet
Expert Katie Greer is going to help with something that
every parent and honestly just adult in society needs to know.
We have that and much much more true crime tonight.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
So listen.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Later in the show, we have Internet safety expert back
with us, Katie Greer. I really like her, she too awesome,
really gotten so much, so many responses to her being
here because some of the world is intense right now, right, So,
how do we keep kids safe? By the way, how
do we keep ourselves safe? And by keeping ourselves safe,

(46:41):
we keep kids safe? Right, So circle continues. So, by
the way, this Internet going down Amazon, all the things
that are happened last night talk about you know, good timing, because,
by the way, everybody should change their passwords to their
stuff based on the breach that happened last night. That's
a little tip that I learned today, just as an fyi.

(47:04):
They also, yeah, fresh off the presses, am I that
new Internet expert.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Cleaning expert in trouble? Okay?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, I mean, really has the world gone sideways that
I'm sharing Internet tips? But I did learn this today
and it was covered thoroughly on with smarter people than me.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
I'll say, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Katie Scott, like that is a tragic case that is
happening in real time, and I know, body you were
going to fill us in on the new developments there.

Speaker 6 (47:35):
Yeah, So, human remains found in an abandoned Philadelphia middle
school like a wooded area right behind it were confirmed
as Kata Scott's and these are leading to new charges
against the suspect, Keon King. He's twenty one years old,
including arson in conspiracy, with further charges expected. So Kata Scott,

(47:58):
she was a twenty three, by the way, one of
the most beautiful women I've ever seen a picture of
in my life. She was a twenty three. I mean
this just is so upsetting. So Kata Scott. She was
a twenty three year old communications graduate. She disappeared like
two weeks ago on October fourth, after leaving her job
at an assisted living facility, prompting extensive police search. So

(48:22):
Kean King, twenty one. He was identified through cell phone
data because she was last communicating with him. He was
arrested on kidnapping and other charges prior to her being found,
with links to two vehicles connected to the case. And
there's this frightening video of what people think is him

(48:43):
trying to break into another woman's house. It is terrifying,
you guys, and she's recording it with her cell phone. Unrelated,
they think to Kata Scott, but he's like trying. He's
going around the house trying windows. I mean, just imagine
this is broad daylight.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
No, it is the middle of the daker and it
actually does.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
I know We're having Katie Greer on later to talk
about the Internet, but like this some basics.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
We work in true crime.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
And something that I'm really unsurprised by, which is surprising
is that you got to keep your doors in your
windows locked. Yeah, if you see this video of this
maniac whoever this is trying to check doors.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
There's cameras. By the way, this is a lovely home.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
It's not as though this person is being swayed by
any of the obvious things.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
So door knobs that open open, right. So here's what's interesting.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
The news that I've been reading about this about Kata
Scott specifically, she was found Saturday, okay, at the abandoned
Ada H. Lewis Middle School following an anonymous tip, an
anonymous tip, and it was confirmed to be her via
DNA testing, so brutal. So it's that tells us a

(50:10):
couple of things, right, Who, by the way, who called
it an anonymous tip and she would be there? Who
knew she was there? Or did he confess? Maybe, but
I don't think they would say anonymous tip.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
If he confessed, they would have caused he was been
arrested and that would have been the end of it.
If it's an anonymous tip, maybe it's a family member,
a friend, or somebody who was in his circle.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Right.

Speaker 6 (50:34):
Maybe, So new charges against key On King because he
was already, like I said, previously arrested for kidnapping include arson,
causing a catastrophe, conspiracy, unauthorized use of a vehicle, tampering
with evidence, and receipt of stolen property. Investigators have linked

(50:54):
King to a burned two thousand and eight one day
accent believed to have been used to transport for her
body to you know its location. He turned himself in
in October fourteenth and is currently being held on multiple charges,
but has not yet entered a plea. A prior kidnapping
case involving him right has been reopened. Now now the

(51:18):
cops are like, okay, you know, looking at everything. This
guy yeaheah, this guy right have been reopened to new
evidence connected to Kata's case. O Kia So police recovered
personal belongings of Kada near the abandoned school, including her
debit card and phone case. The cause of death has
not yet been publicly released and the investigation is ongoing,

(51:38):
with further charges anticipated.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
So let's discuss Kada. This is somebody else. You know.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Her job is caring for you know, elderly people. She's
dedicated her life in so many ways to service. She's
doing well, she's successful, she's you know, this is a
person with a huge life ahead. She's adding to.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
The world, and somebody.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Has decided she's like the all American child that you
would imagine exactly.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Yeah, she just graduated from Penn State University.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
I mean, it's so hard to get into your mother.
It's exactly like, just on the precipice of what.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Prior to be her disappearing, she had reported that she
had been being harassed, although they haven't said or they
don't know if it was him, oh that was doing
the harassment, he was just talking to It kind of
reminded me of Kaylee Gonsolvas telling her friends that she
was being stalked in Idoo. You know, they didn't know
who it was, but that she had just been been

(52:43):
being harassed, so they might have that sixth sense you right,
as women, we kind of like the sense I get
the impression because he worked with her, I kind of
maybe have this, you know, feeling, because listen, she's a
beautiful she's cordial, beautiful woman.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Right, beauty queen, She's beautiful.

Speaker 6 (53:03):
She's literally literally like you know, no joke about it, right.
I can see her getting harassed by a number of people,
like you know, and she maybe rejects you, and you
feel a certain type of way.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
And by the way, imagine you're being sought after because
you're so beautiful. Even by the way, even the not
so beautiful get harassed.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
It's so truteful. Oh no, don't imagine. You kind of
get a loof to it.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
You're like, I just mean she got in the workplace. Yeah,
and like you don't want to make a big stink
at your job. Right, this is a story as old
as time. Right, you have a sixth sense, you have
like a weird feeling about somebody, You go to the office,
You're like, I don't want to make a thing. But
and then here we are, and now there's a mother

(53:54):
missing her daughter, a room in mom's home that's now empty,
and her skull and body is being found under circumstances
that we don't even have all the answers for. It
is unimaginable.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Right.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
So the district attorney Ashley T. Her name is very
I cannot pronounce it, Okay, So here's what she said.
He did have a previous case. It was a twenty
twenty five case for very similar conduct strangulation and kidnapping
set a District attorney Ashley T. That case had been

(54:30):
withdrawn by our office based on the witness failing to
appear at court.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
I pulled that file.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
And after an extensive review of it, our office made
the decision to refile those charges.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
So those charges are not going to be added from
this previous case to But it's.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
So hard if you're trying to get dumb is open
this conversation. I certainly do not have the answer. But
in certain cases, you put something out there, you say, hey,
I'm experiencing this, and you have to deal with people
knowing it now it's a matter of public record. Maybe
you love this person and they have a family and

(55:06):
you don't want to hurt their feeling. You know, it's
so layered, right, sometimes harassment, stocking their feelings that are
it's tough.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I mean it is tough. I think it's just celebrities.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
But in the real world, this really happens, and we
covered these cases time and time again where certain women
or men will speak up and they'll get a restraining
order and that maybe instigates the person because there's like
some weird connection, or they withdraw that because they're afraid,

(55:41):
or they don't want to misspeak, or they don't want
to cause harm to somebody even though that person is
doing them harm. Silence is never the answer. And this
is another one of those scenarios, like there was stuff
on record, this person had stuff happening right.

Speaker 7 (55:58):
And still did it.

Speaker 10 (55:59):
And I think even we had a guest before that
talked about the restraining orders really don't have that much weight.

Speaker 7 (56:04):
They don't do enough.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Leonora Claire Leonora. Yeah, she was great.

Speaker 7 (56:09):
Mm hmm, she was really great. It's just frightening.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Well, the Scott family, they have publicly thanked the community
for support, and they as well have asked for privacy
as they grieve and our urgent kindness to others as
a way to honor your daughter's memory.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
So let's to encompass that.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, it's impossible, it's impossible to imagine, and it is
the bar we should all be reaching for.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I agree, it's I don't know that I would have
that much grace and me, so hats off to them. Absolutely,
this is true crime.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Tonight, we've been talking about Kata Scott and very sadly
her remains have been found, and we will all try
and exude kindness as her family asks for people to
do in her memory.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
I wanted to give you.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Guys a quick update, so we spoke maybe a week
ago about the woman Daisy Link she impregnated.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Oh yes, you know herself kind of.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
This was in jail and there was no physical contact
with another inmate, and they he was well, he was
masturbating multiple times a day into a baggie and then
sending it through the vents of the jail and.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Boom, then there was a baby.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Well, Daisy, she has just been found guilty of second
degree murder. This is in the twenty twenty two fatal
shooting of Pedro Jimenez, who was the father of her
two older children.

Speaker 7 (57:46):
Oh no, wow, so she was just being held there.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Yeah, it was just the jail. The jail. Now she's
going to go to big girl jail prison.

Speaker 10 (57:56):
Okay, so that tracks now it makes a little more sense. Yeah,
he slipped things through because it wasn't I.

Speaker 6 (58:02):
Still even in jail, I thought they kept the men
and women in very different units.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I read jail. I would be
either I would die if I went to jail, I
would not survive. I wouldn't survive twenty four hours. I
wouldn't survive twenty minutes. Go insane. I to go insane.
I would be hysterical.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
You would hear me screaming and wailing to beyond measuring,
and I honestly the prison guards would assassinate me. It
would be unimaginable. Honestly, I would be wailing and a
living nightmare for twelve hours behind bars. That is my
biggest fear. I watched Ashank Redemption and that was the

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end of it.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
It's over. I am a law abiding citizen. I drive
ten and two. I'm like, hey, yes, I got a
driver's license.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I had to go to DMV today and you would
have thought I was in the military.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
I was like Benjamin, I was in the line. I
was like, do I have to do sit ups? Do
I have to do punches? But I've been wearing the
I'm wearing all your best.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Does I count for my eyesight tests, by the way,
which is not great. Also something to consider is that
can we add that to the list of things for
our True Crime Tonight crew to solve my waiting vision.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Is the story for a different day. But nonetheless, my goodness,
but we need your story. Sorry, not at all. So
that was it was just the update.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
So the woman who we had spoken about, she again
is she's been found guilty and we have time for
a quick talk back.

Speaker 9 (59:54):
Hi, my name is Sydney from New Jersey. I love
the podcast. I listen when I'm working out, cookie and driving.
I have a question regarding safety and self defense. There
has been someone stealing packages in my neighborhood and I
recently saw a Facebook post that my neighbor had posted
of a video of a man stealing his bike at
his front door. I'm now terrified that these people are

(01:00:17):
going to get more bold. Do you have any safety
tips that you can provide me and the listeners?

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Thanks? Love you guys. Great question. Yeah, the pirates support parrots.
What do you do?

Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
I don't other than a ringam, I wouldn't know what
is the ring?

Speaker 6 (01:00:33):
Maybe there's like a lock box that you can only
put things in, right.

Speaker 10 (01:00:39):
Like yeah, you know, like I've seen or heard something
like that, where like there's a specific one that Amazon
can lock and put in the items.

Speaker 7 (01:00:46):
I'll have to look into them, but I.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Do you know what I would love to do in
advance of the upcoming holidays. Let's go ahead and get
an expert because this problem.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
That is a beautiful talk back.

Speaker 7 (01:00:56):
Yeah, and that is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
A problem that is so pervasive and we should find
out from someone knowledgeable.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
So I tell you, if you take my package and
I happen to catch it on the ring, God bless you,
I will rip myself out of whatever I am doing,
which is probably watching my Bravo, and I will tumble
out that door and fight.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
All right, well, keep it here. We have Internet.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Safety expert Katie Greer joining us.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Lots of tips true crime tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Lydecker here with
Courtney Armstrong, Body Moven and the crew Taha, Sam and
Adam and listen, we have internet safety expert Katie gear Back.
You know, she is the CEO of key l Career Consulting.

(01:01:55):
And by the way, we've gotten a lot of feedback
from your first appears here and by the way, we're
talking to her right now. She's wearing the coziest little
like snug of fall bringing the air. So we're gonna
add this to our self care list of snuggly things

(01:02:16):
to be wearing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Cozy so co it's cozy season.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Welcome to cozy season, everybody, So we're gonna get cozy
and also get prepared because Katie is going to keep
us safe on the internet and certainly kids everywhere, by
the way, and adults. It's like a this is a
two prong operation. Are are needing some tips and help Katie.
The last time you were here, we got so much

(01:02:42):
feedback and questions for you directly, So thank you for
coming back. We know that you're everywhere all the time.
And it's a busy girl. It's a busy girl. She
is a busy girl. She's a cozy, busy girl.

Speaker 14 (01:02:54):
No, I'm so excited to be back here. Cozy and busy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Okay, yes, So we.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Have Meghan on the line right now. Hi Meghan, thank
you for joining us.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Hi, Hi Meg, Meghan. So listen, we've.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Been getting a lot of calls and we've been telling
Katie just that we've we've been getting a lot of response.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
So happy you're here with us, Meghan.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
And I know that you had a story to share
that's personal to you about your child and your child's
safety on a phone, which of course then has internet
and all the things that everyone is dealing with.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
So thank you for joining us. And yeah share Hi.

Speaker 11 (01:03:38):
Yeah, so I got my daughter a phone and we
you know, we took all the safety measurements we thought
we would take. She couldn't download apps without minor her
father's permission. It would be turned on at certain points
throughout the day and at night. You know, we monitored

(01:03:58):
everything daily and unfortunately somebody still is able to get
through to my daughter. And it was a grown man
and he was sending her like really inappropriate saying pictures
and other things, but was pretending to be a little boy, so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Like catfishing almost, Katie, have you I'm sure you've dealt
with this before, so you know, a phone can be
a loaded gun, and we're all dealing with this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
I know there's no simple answer here, or is there? Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:04:28):
I think I think what you said earlier is actually
a really good point too, right, that we're dealing with this.
This is not just Megan. Will you remind me how
old your child is? She's seven seven, okay, So whether
it's a seven year old, a seventeen year old, a

(01:04:48):
twenty seven year old, or a fifty seven year old, like,
everyone runs this risk, right, and with AI becoming better
and more sophisticated, it's and I could get scammed tomorrow, right,
So I think that it's really important to kind of
understand that a couple of things, I guess I'll ask, also,

(01:05:11):
how do you know how this connection happened? Like, did
how did this person get a hold of your child's
number if they were texting?

Speaker 11 (01:05:22):
So my daughter will play Fortnite with friends like in
her dad on the Xbox. Well we put the Fortnite
on her phone and I didn't know she could play
online on the phone. And they have a chat box

(01:05:44):
and I didn't even know she knew how to get
to the chat box or anything like that, and that's
how they got into contact with each other. But when
you brought up AI, what was crazy was when we
did find out like who, like who this person was
and everything. We called from one of our phones the number,

(01:06:06):
and they were actually using an AI voice changer like
talking to us. They would change their voice like every
different call we'd make. Yeah, it's so it's so scary.
I want to say, I guess first, I don't know
if it's comforting or not.

Speaker 14 (01:06:23):
But you're not alone. This happens a lot, right and
and right when you said I actually I did not
know how that connection happened. And my first assumption was
gaming just because of your child's age, and gaming is
so popular, and this is not gaming like I grew
up with, right, It's it's not the gaming that you
sit with, right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
It's not Atari, right, paper Boy.

Speaker 14 (01:06:53):
You know, you're connected and you're playing with potentially hundreds
of thousands of other people. So that is a really
common gateway, sadly, where these perpetrators will will connect with
younger kids and get them. You know, if you think
about it's a perfect storm, right, It's a live, pretty

(01:07:14):
much unmoderated environment where there are hundreds of thousands of people,
a lot of kids who enjoy these games. The perpetrators
will know that, and they're often distracted, right because they're
gaming and their brain is in all the gaming places
and you know, so they're really, unfortunately like easy targets
in these situations. So this is actually a very common scenario.

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So that's that's the first thing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
I guess.

Speaker 15 (01:07:38):
The second thing, the good news.

Speaker 14 (01:07:39):
Is is every single game that there is out there,
including ones you plan your phone or on the Nintendo
Switch or on Xbox, every single game that I've ever
heard of has settings so that you can use them
to make sure your kids aren't chatting with strangers while
they're playing those games. So that's a really good kind

(01:08:01):
of tip and thing to know. And you know, whether
it's playing offline, playing solo mode, playing in your WiFi
only creating a certain world. There's a whole bunch of
chat gpt it. Honestly, there's a whole bunch of different
ways that you can use these settings so that your
kids aren't can still play the games, but they're not
chatting with strangers.

Speaker 6 (01:08:21):
That's a good idea to chat gpt it if you
don't know, like what to even look for, talk to
AI about it, right, talk to chat jet about it.
Just type it in like how do I lock my
child out a Fortnite chat?

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:08:35):
That's something that they can even just chat GPT and
it will tell you exactly what to do. And I
think it's probably safe to assume, you know, you said
you you didn't even know that your your daughter knew
even how to get to the chat box, right, I
think it's safe to assume. We have to assume that
these kids are smarter than us, right, Oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Goodness, yeah, I mean we just have to assume three
years old, they're smarter.

Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
They are smarter than us. My little niece when she
was little. She's twenty three now. She was three years
old and was better on the mouse than I was.
And that's when I realized. I was like, these kids
are not the same. Yeah, now they are the same.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
The whole world has been indoctrinated into online living, right,
so that has beautiful potential. So we're not even knocking that.
But for parents and adults so sometimes think they're safeguarding
that's probably a joke. And for Megan, you're not alone
is the best to answer. You know, Katie, thank you

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for saying that, because on the one hand, you're like, oh,
we shouldn't give our kids phones, And on the other hand,
you know, people are in co parenting situations or we
hear about active shooters, and you want your kid to
have access to a lifeline in some ways, So the
phones are here, right, so how do we safeguard against that?

(01:09:53):
And putting the genie back in the bottle sometimes feels
like false advice.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
So yeah, and it's just anyway, Katie, what are you know?

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
Stories like this are every parent's worst nightmare, right Your
child is communicating with somebody online. That's horrifying. What are
some early warning signs that young children might be communicating
with somebody inappropriate online.

Speaker 14 (01:10:20):
Yeah, I think mood changes are a really good one
to think about, you know, although, which is also interesting
is I have two teenagers, so like mood.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Changing every day, right, Yeah, But.

Speaker 14 (01:10:36):
I think prolonged mood changes ones that are you know,
like you know, if you have a child that's normally
really chatty when they come home, they're really quiet, or
they're spending a lot of time in their room. Sometimes
being sneaky with devices is another one that I know,

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So I think that's a good one as well. But
you know, I think I don't. I think we had
said that the way that Megan had found this is
uh by spot checking, and that is so huge, Like
you can do all the safeguards and all the things
and have all the things in place, but those spot checks,
I think can really you can notice some things that

(01:11:18):
are off or some things that may be different that
may signal like maybe I have to dive a little
bit deeper into this, And thank goodness, I cannot recommend
that enough. And I don't even like the word snooping,
Like I want your kids to expect you're going to
be checking it on this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Ye yes, yeah, Megan, Yeah, that just happened with my daughter.

Speaker 11 (01:11:39):
Her mood changed, and that's when I was like, what's
going on with you? I was like, what she was like?
Not like you said, not talking. She is a little
more snippy to the point like others in our family
noticed that herd mood was different. So that was another
reason I was like, something's not adding up. Why did
you just flip a switch like you did?

Speaker 6 (01:12:02):
Wow, So you experienced a mood change in a seven
year old, which is probably a lot more noticeable than
somebody that's like thirteen or fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Right, seven the same rules talk about it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
And also when you're thirteen and fourteen, there's this weird
line of you want to allow privacy. I know that's
what I would have craved at that age, where that's
kind of sacred right. You want to have your own
agency in place in the world that feels safe, and
at the same time, you got a snoop because you
want to make sure that things are safe.

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
It's a brave new world in that regard. You're listening
to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime
all the time.

Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
I'mbody moving and I'm here with Stephanie and Courtney, and
we are talking with internet safety expert Katie Greer about
how to keep your preteens safe online and with their
first phones. Katie, I wanted to ask you another question,
and Megan is still on the line too, preparents with
kids under twelve, what concree steps can they take to

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secure phones, tablets, gaming chats.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Things like that.

Speaker 14 (01:13:05):
Yeah, so I have to like back up a second.
I think there's comes even before before we purchase a device,
like before that is even a thought in our brains,
is taking into account what our family needs and the
individuals within the family as well, So like what are
the absolute necessities for this phone? And this is I

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mean I could talk about for days about this, right,
because their kids are getting devices younger and younger, and
you know, it's really important that we take inventory of
what are our needs as a family. By the way,
can those needs be met in other ways like watches
or smart watches or flip phone right, which still exists,

(01:13:47):
by the way, So taking inventory of that, I think
is really important. And then we go to the rule
side of it. Right, So my daughter is fourteen. I
just got her a phone at fourteen years old, and
I made a three page, double sided, twelve size spont
contract for her as well with things that we have

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been talking about, like she hates me, she thinks some
of biggest loser ever.

Speaker 7 (01:14:14):
But can we.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Post this contract? So what is this twelve page contract?
Because we all want in everything watched the contract.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
That's important. No, it's a big deal.

Speaker 14 (01:14:25):
I have to I have to say a lot of
it is about privacy versus what you just talked about, right,
like privacy versus privilege, and like this is a privilege.
This is my phone first.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
That's diary exactly right.

Speaker 14 (01:14:40):
And there you have acts. This is this is not
a diary. And I think that's a really important you
brought up, you know, privacy, which is important, and I
get it. And I'm not here to be like like
my dad would be like you don't get privacy right my.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
House, my rules. I put the bills, you own it.
I get that, by the way. I grew up that
way too. I don't know the line. We're all learning it.

Speaker 11 (01:15:04):
We are.

Speaker 14 (01:15:04):
And look, your line might be different than my line also, right,
because our families are different and our kids are different,
and and you know, Megan's seven year old is different
who maybe acting a little bit funky one day, so
maybe she has to do, you know, more to check
on that. Anyhow, I think it's really important to establish that,
and that they have access to billions of people with

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a clip of a button. So this is not a diary,
this is not this is this is different, right, So
I think that's important to delineate and to think about.
I also think that social cues and politeness was a
big part of the contract that I put in there,
and the fact that you know, like Meghan said, you
have you know, I let her know that I have

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settings on there and I have the right to change
those settings, and that I have not just because I'm
trying to be a jerk and trying to be all
up in her business, which she argues, but because I'm
trying to make her good at this. This is a
life skill, right, and there are a lot of dangers
in hurt with this life skill, like driving, So I
have the rule not becoming trying to re obtain the butt,

(01:16:09):
but because I'm trying to make her good at this
really powerful tool. So I think I think that's important.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yeah, and You're so right, it's making her good in
the world it's not so much about checking on you.
It's about making you equipped to deal with the world
we're now living in, which you know, Megan's living real time.
By the way, Megan, thank you so much for the call.
We really appreciate your sharing. Yes, thank you for being
honest about your experience.

Speaker 6 (01:16:36):
Like it's please don't feel shame like any parent, right like,
please call us let us know. Maybe you know there's
some more tips. So thank you so much for that story, Megan.
We really appreciate it. Keep it right here. We've covered preteens,
but how do you keep more internet savvy teenagers safe?
Katie Greer is going to stick around to discuss that topic.
Keep it right here at True Crime Tonight, We're talking

(01:16:57):
true crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
And welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio and
talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here
with Courtney and Body and Katie Greer, who is our
Internet safety expert. By the way, back by popular demand.
Thank you so much for being here, Katie, because it's
complicated stuff, because we're talking about keeping our kids safe.

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By the way, the internet aravidly went down last night.
How about that when good luck finding your Amazon good
luck finding lots of things in the last twenty four hours. Right,
so there's been a snag in the system. Maybe that's
helped with predators online. Maybe our kids are safer. But
two things. One, what do we do? So I think

(01:17:54):
this spirit is so far as what you've said is
spot checking, right, some common sense spot checking of devices
with our you know, kids, young adults, anyone who's in
our sphere that might be subjected to some creepy old
person who's cat fishing young people.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
That's disgusting. But how does a kid know?

Speaker 14 (01:18:22):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think first of all, awareness
and that's probably a terrible answer, but awareness is huge.
And I think that you know, we don't. We covered
this last time I was on too. I think that like,
we don't know what we don't know?

Speaker 15 (01:18:37):
Right, We did not grow up with this stuff. So
for us to just assume, like the last you.

Speaker 14 (01:18:43):
Know segment with with Megan, and for us to just
assume that kids can go play video games and they
can play them with thousands of other people is not
the normal thing to just assume that.

Speaker 15 (01:18:53):
So, so we don't we need to be gentle with ourselves.

Speaker 14 (01:18:56):
But I think the I think we've really shifted from
like being an ostrich and burying our head in the
sand and being like please go away, please go away,
Like if I don't pay attention, maybe it'll just stop,
to like, Okay, we got to roll our sleeves up.
We gotta get dirty here, and we've got to learn
enough about this so that we can help younger generations
and older generations be safer and better about this stuff

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now that we know what we know exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
And I had a follow up from last segment, so
you had mentioned, you know, some of the warning signs
if they're being quote sneaky, Well, no one was sneakier
than me as a teenager, and lots of them are.
So how how do you take those multiple interactions?

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Believe it you were perfect? I jump in and disagree.
I'm very saying you were an angel on a pedestal.
Don't sell yourself short.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
But you know, with those micro interactions, how do you
not blow them up and make your kid go sort
of further and deeper away from you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
That makes sense?

Speaker 14 (01:20:02):
Yeah, you know, I think this is always this is
this is all the advice that I give about parenting
through this stuff, which by the way, I'm doing myself right.
But all the advice that I give parenting through this
stuff is thought that, like, generations of parents have always
had to do right, whether it was like drinking or
drugs or sex or whatever, Like, how do I know

(01:20:25):
that my child wasn't sneaking drinking or sneaking smoking or like?
And how do we dig deeper without making them be
sneakier about it? And so this is just in a
different space, right, Not that that makes us feel any better,
because it's a largely unknown space. But I think we
have to really as parents, trust our gut and know
that when something feels off, to ask and to ask

(01:20:47):
questions and to look a little bit further. Thank goodness
Megan did, because that revealed a really potentially important issue.
So I think following our intuition is really important. And
I also want. One tool that I use as a
parent a lot is to admit that that we don't know, right, Like,
don't I didn't grow up with this stuff. I don't know,

(01:21:09):
So I apologize if I thought that you were sneaking A,
B and C, or like, maybe I need to look
a little bit further because I don't know how this
works and this. I did not grow up with this stuff.
And I'm doing it not because I think you're lying
and because I think you're horrible and terrible, but because
I need to pay attention to this stuff. And that's
my job as a parent.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
Yeah. Well, boy, incredibly well said I. Actually there's a
DM then that someone said specifically for you, Katie. And
this is from Deanna. Hi, ladies, mom from Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Here.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
My son came to me with an issue at age seventeen.
Someone claimed they had tapped it into his computer and
taken pictures of him naked, and we're going to send
the photos to everyone on his friend's list.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Oh my god. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
He was so desperate he was trying to create a
Venmo account to pay them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Instead, he came to me. We called the authorities.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
They have an Internet crimes unit and traced it to Indonesia.
The officer asshured us this is a common hoax that
takes place in our area. Fast forward three years, my
daughter came to me with another hoax. A guy wanted
her to cash a check for him and send her
the money. She told me she knew it was wrong,
but he was talking to her for quite a long time,

(01:22:22):
and they had built up trust. We called reported the
authorities again because she was eighteen, she was contacted. That
was also confirmed as a hoax, and they already were aware.
But this happened for a second time, and the mother says,
thank goodness, my kids came to me. It still scares her.
Technology grows faster than the comprehension.

Speaker 6 (01:22:44):
So what I get from that is the family was
aware of hoaxes and fell for another one. So it
don't be ashamed. If you're falling for something, right, go
to somebody they trust.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Have to say it out loud, like yeah, I have
to say that passing the biggest sucker of all of us.
I can't phone. If the phone was ringing right now,
I would probably be falling for a hoax like that.
Is they're trained to actually make you get sucked in,
or they're using an AI voice. I feel so saying

(01:23:18):
I'm in trouble.

Speaker 6 (01:23:20):
He was seventeen and he's worried his nude photos from
his hack computers. He's trying to create a venmo with
this poor.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Kid, right, So, Katie and something that's escalated and elevated.
Any any tips in this atrocity atrocity.

Speaker 14 (01:23:34):
Yeah, although I'm gonna make it worse before I make
it better. Okay, I there, aren't you glad you had
me on always? I had a truly a personal good
friend of ours who's in his sixties. The same exact
thing happened to this sixty year old man with grown children.

(01:23:56):
They were like, oh, we took a picture of you,
it's nude.

Speaker 11 (01:23:59):
This guy up losing.

Speaker 15 (01:24:02):
Tens of thousands of dollars.

Speaker 14 (01:24:04):
Oh no, because he was worried that his family was
going to know. I mean, this is someone I know
personally right now. It's sad when you were telling this story,
is all I could think to myself. And again, Harry,
I'm making it worse before I make it better. Is
if I had a penny for every story like this
I heard young and old like, I'd be rich. And
that's really sad, right, that's really unfortunate to hear. And

(01:24:25):
I get so worried about older people too as much
as I do younger people falling victim to these type
of things. So like, head on a swibol, lad Ladies
like we are officially the Sandwich generation. Who needs story
about our like moms and dads and aunts and uncles
and our children at the same time.

Speaker 15 (01:24:43):
So drink up.

Speaker 14 (01:24:44):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah. I think one of the things
is transparency out of the gate. Like I've been talking
to my kids about this since they were little little kids,
and every time something new comes up, like AI voices
were being used or whatever, is another sad yet really
important reality to talk about in a non scary or

(01:25:07):
like alarmist way. Right, But oh my gosh, I just
heard this story, and how scary is it?

Speaker 15 (01:25:12):
And I think a really big.

Speaker 14 (01:25:16):
Kind of theme that I'm gathering from the m is
that in thank goodness and this is something just added
to our parental plate, right, But like that these kids
felt comfortable at some point going to a parent, and
I think that that is huge, right, that we need
to let our kids know that there's some stuff that

(01:25:37):
goes on online and in life in general.

Speaker 11 (01:25:40):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:25:40):
But if you have any questions, I always say I
talk to a lot of young younger like elementary school
kids as much as I talked to college kids about
this stuff. And one of the things I always say,
and this is impactful. I think to my seventy year
old aunt, who I'm worried is gonna like give away
my inheritance to a Nigerian prince and I talk to

(01:26:01):
the like elementary school kids, I say, you know that's
that's that stomach feeling, that feeling you get in your
stomach like something's a little weird, something doesn't feel right.

Speaker 15 (01:26:09):
Listen to that.

Speaker 14 (01:26:10):
And when you feel that, you come to me and
you ask me questions and I'm here for it. So
I think that that is huge and we'll learn together.
And maybe I don't have all the answers, but like,
we're going to figure this out, and you come to
me if anything goes on. So I think every single
time I can turn this into a teachable moment with
my kids or the people that I speak to is

(01:26:30):
a really important opportunity. As kind of scary and daunting
as that may be, this is how the more information
our kids have, our older generations have the better.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
How scary is that feeling? You all remember it? I
remember it so well, Oh my god, I'm going to
get my parents are going to kill me, which they
of course were not, or I'm going to be in
so much trouble or or or and those are small things.
I look back on the things that I was like,
this is so scary. None of it was that scary.

(01:27:03):
This actually is very scary. So, you know, just sort
of opening that line of communication, my heart goes out
because it is tough out there. Communication is hard for
any of us, let alone if you think you're gonna
get in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Yeah, yeah, this is true crime tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
And we are here with Katie Greer, who is an
Internet expert, and she is helping all of us with
what feels really terrifying. But you know, she said earlier,
we can't put our heads in the sand. If you
have questions for Katie, give us a call eighty to eighty
three to one Crime. So I have a question. Are
there any nuns and bolts for teens? Are there monitoring

(01:27:48):
apps that you particularly like? Our Bark Alerts something you
subscribe to. What are your thoughts.

Speaker 14 (01:27:59):
So for for parents trying to keep track of this stuff?
There are a ton of things out there, right. There's
apps that are I'm sorry, there are parental controls that
are on our devices as is, and then there's also
ones that you can buy. And there's Bark, there's Life
three sixty. Oh gosh, I'm forgetting the other one. But

(01:28:19):
there's there's a couple of these out here. Here's the
good news. I think that they're good tools, that they
can be helpful, and that they can kind of make
things a little bit simpler for us. Here's the not
great news. For every great like tool or app or
monitoring or parental control that there is out there, there's

(01:28:42):
an adorable twelve year old on YouTube being like, my
parents use this, and this is how I get around it.

Speaker 11 (01:28:48):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:28:48):
So it's like the constant cat and mouse game, right
when when when do we find a solution? We figure
this one thing out and then someone figures out a
way around it. Right, So I I this is such
a again like a cheesy and frustrating answer, but like
it is communicating. Parents are the first line of defense.

(01:29:09):
Nothing is going to fix you or me being up
in our kids business, being involved in this stuff.

Speaker 15 (01:29:15):
And I get that that's daunting.

Speaker 14 (01:29:17):
Look, I'm a single mom, I'm running a company, I'm
finishing a degree. I'm trying to raise two kids and
keep them out of prison. Like I you know, I am.
I get it. It's just a couple more things on
our list, but like we have to wear it where it.
If there was some magic pool, I would have told
y'all the first time we ever talked, and you'd never
need be again.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
Right, No, But I like how you kind of put
it that it is a little bit the same thing
of it's always whether it was the drinking of our
parents or you know that it is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
The song doesn't exist, the television didn't make exist, like
there are generationally, there have been big things that we
were not prepared for. So even just hearing that you're
on the front lines in a non judgmental space of like, look,
I'm keeping down the fort I'm just trying to make
the world go around and keep us all safe, it

(01:30:08):
is so reassuring and relatable.

Speaker 14 (01:30:13):
Yeah, I think we need to give ourselves some grace, right. Like, Also, COVID,
like we said earlier, made this a bajillion times. It's
crazier because we all went to devices immediately and younger
and social media, and so I think when we thought
the world was ending, like we didn't know what was
going to happen, right, we all went to this and

(01:30:34):
now we're learning about what it does to our brains
and our bodies. The AI and catfishing and it's a lot,
so like, take a deep breath, We're doing the best
we can. It takes a village, right, you could not
do that is a thing, So I think that's really important.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Does our killage got bit bigger because of the Internet,
So maybe that's not even a bad thing. So we're
all hearing it. There's tools and like, listen, we can
beat this system. I know we can because we are
stronger together with the information. And Katie, by the way,
you are a stud shere walking the talk. You are

(01:31:10):
bringing it to us real and honestly, I hope you
come back every week.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:15):
So Katie started as an internet safety keynote speaker. She
started out at the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office, where as
the Director of Internet Safety, she was directly involved with
the development of one of the first Internet safety programs ever.
So listen, she is a stud Yeah, Like she reals
what she's talking about. So she's not like we didn't

(01:31:38):
just pull her from the streets, right, Like she knows
what she's talking about. She does this full time. This
is her company. From there, she transitioned into working with
the Massachusetts State Police. You guys know that we're obsessed
with Massachusetts. She and this is where she's this is
where she gets her her guns from right this in
her gritty I just think of this gritty like office

(01:32:00):
and she's like, this is what we're going to do
to protect kids, and she develops this Internet safety program.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
You know, I have these stories in my head that
I make up. But she really is a stud.

Speaker 6 (01:32:09):
She is now pursuing a PhD in criminology with an
exploration on teens in the Internet.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
She's gonna be famous.

Speaker 6 (01:32:19):
She really is qualified. So she really is qualified. She
knows what she's talking about. So we really thank you
so much for being on the You are sod.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
To you with please please come back and if anyone
wants more information, Katie is at kl Greer Consulting, Katie L.
Greer Instagram, TikTok and x and kl Greer Consulting on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
We will see you when next year. Grace is with
your presence.

Speaker 4 (01:32:43):
Thank you True Crime Tonight, everybody have a great night.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
Bye everybody. Two

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