New Twists in the Luigi Case, Walshe’s Search History, and a Pregnant Mother’s Murder

New body-cam footage has surfaced in the Luigi Mangione hearing, raising fresh questions about what happened that morning. The mother and stepfather of 22-year-old Rebecca Park, who is expecting a baby, face severe charges as investigators continue the urgent search for her missing child. Tune in for all the details.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. It's Tuesday, December two, and yes,
we have a stacked night of headlines, breaking news. You know,
day two of testimony and the Brian Walsh murder trial. Remember,
he's accused of murdering his wife. He says he didn't
In fact, he only chopped her up allegedly. There's a

(00:42):
lot of information coming in digitally right now, so body's
been following this very very closely. This case is going
to be happening all week, and we want to make
sure that we are knee deep in this one because
it's definitely one to watch. Also, Luigiu Mangiona is back
in court today as new bodycam footage is shared in
the courtroom. Luigi and the officer who arrested him actually

(01:05):
were face to face today in the courtroom. So so
much on that to discuss. Plus the mother and stepfather
of Rebecca Park, which we talked about last night. She
was the twenty two year old pregnant woman who was
found deceased. The status of her baby is unknown. The
mother and the stepfather have been brought into custody and

(01:26):
charges have been made and they are not good in fact,
in fact, they are grizzly. And also some new developments
around the Anna Kepner case, the eighteen year old who
was found dead while on a cruise. That story discontinues
and we've been following it very very closely, and it
does seem as though there is no question homicide, homicide, homicide.

(01:50):
And also a quick update on the Slenderman case. Morgan
Geyser is back before a judge, so we must now decide,
or at least they will, should she be put back
into treatment or should she face actual jail time. So
before we go any further, I just want to say
hello to Courtney Armstrong and body move in. Hello, Hello,

(02:12):
Hello ladies, happy to see we're off to a big one.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
I'm Stephanie Leidecker.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
And if you want to jump in and join the
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show and I have to talk to you guys at

(02:38):
some point tonight about the Diddy doc Sean Cole, So
you started reckoning listen. I tried to watch it last
night at midnight, as promised, and I don't know what
the like what the clock is at Netflix, but it
doesn't really drop at midnight. So I watched it a
little bit today in the morning and was like, oh, no,
I really have to keep watching it.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
It's very good. It's really well done, I think.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
And then I've been watching it throughout the workday and
every time the phone would ring and I would have
to stop it, I'd be annoyed and put it on pause.
And I'm dying to get back to it after the
show tonight. It's a really thorough look through his life
and right now we're in the Tupac section, or at
least that's my life, and it's really well laid out.
And yeah, there's like some interesting footage that I think

(03:26):
Courtney you must have.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Mentioned last night that he did.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
He must have hired a camera crew to be shooting
him or a filmmaker to be shooting him in the
days leading to his arrest, like six days prior, and
then somehow after he was brought into custody, somehow fifty
cent got that footage.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
So interested to hear how that unfolds. It sounded from
yesterday that Diddy's camp was not feeling it.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
So Luigi speaking of camps and things that are not
being felled.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Let's go to a talk back right now.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
High ladies. It is producer Ava, and I want to
tell you a little voicemail telling a story about something
that happened to me yesterday. I live in New York
City and this is going to be the jury pool
for Luigimi Manjioni's trial, like New York citizens. And I
was out at a diner last night, just like getting
dinner with a friend, and every single television indus diner

(04:23):
was playing news about his hearings, going on about the
evidentiary hearings and whether or not certain evidence such as
the three D printed gun, the manifesto are going to
be able to be included in the trial. And what
I was thinking to myself is everyone knows that he
had these things like the gun and the manifesto in

(04:44):
the notebook, because news stations are playing it twenty four
to seven, and if you're like a citizen like me
of New York just going out and about your life,
you're going to see it anyway. And so I'm just wondering, like,
how is it possible that they are going to find
a jury that, regardless of whether or not this evidence
is going to be admitted to the trial, that doesn't

(05:06):
already know this information anyway. I was just giving us
some thought, and I would love to know what you
guys think about it. Great show.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Choose our daytime producer, obviously, so it's the night shift
right now. So that's why I guess the voicemail Well,
great question though, those are.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Really good questions. And let's let's live in a world
where the judge says these things can't be admitted, right
And to Ava's question, will people already know? I mean,
it's it's in all these diners. Well the part of
uh oh my, I think I'm getting those weird sounds again.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Do you have a mouse in you you have a
little mouse in your microphone?

Speaker 3 (05:48):
I think it's okay now, as part of bourgeois. They'll
ask the jury, can you can you listen to evidence
only as presented and not you know, taken evidence that
you've heard outside of the trial, And people that say
yes will be admitted or you know, say no, they'll
say okay, bye, So they'll ask the jury to you know,
take a gander at that.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
So basically, can you not focus on that evidence.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
And right only focus on things that are being presented
in trial? And somebody might say, oh, I've just I've
seen a lot of coverage. I don't I don't think
I can true, you know, Or they'll be like, oh, yeah,
I'd barely pay attention.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Or then eventually can they say, oh, we have to
move to the trial to a different place because we
can't get a fair jury pool here in New York
City as a result.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Right, I wonder, I mean it'll probably I bet the
defense might try and put that up. But do you
want to get into what has been happening.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Dying to talk to you about it?

Speaker 6 (06:45):
Dying? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
So again, this is the pre trial evidentiary hearing, so
there is no jury yet, not even there. It's just
deciding what evidence can be put in or not. So
today was the second day, and it's for the upcoming
trial of twenty seven year old Luigi Mangione. I say Mangione,
it was his MANGIONI I say it both ways way

(07:08):
through the show. So Mangione is accused of the murder
of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. This happened almost exactly
one year ago, on December fourth of twenty twenty four,
and it was both caught on camera and happened in
a regular work morning in Manhattan. The defense team of

(07:32):
accused killer of Mangione is seeking to suppress statements and
physical evidence, occluding as producer ever mentioned, the alleged murder weapon,
the three D printed gun and a manifesto, and the
defense is arguing that they were obtained through unconstitutional police conduct.

(07:53):
So that would be gigantic if the drools that way.
So today on the stage and the officer who responded
to the McDonald's where Mangione was found after a five
day manhunt, he testified that he recognized the accused killer

(08:13):
Mangione the moment he entered this McDonald's, and on the
Stanti stated, I knew it was him.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Immediately, what but he didn't know prior, like, he didn't
even put his sirens on when he was pulling up
to the McDonald's.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
He thought it was probably just a fake sighting.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, that's exactly right, and he testified your exactly right stuff.
And he testified about that, saying when they got the
call that he Officer Deweiler sarcastically said, I didn't think
it was going to be the person they thought it was,
And he said that his supervisor promised him a hogie

(08:49):
a big sandwich if he found Luigi Mangione. So that's
how much he didn't consider this a credible threat until
he walked into this McDonald's. On the stand, the responding officer,
he testified that he had seen the suspect Lujimangion's face
many many times on television and that he knew immediately

(09:14):
walking in. There was also body camera footage that was
played in court and the officer you hear him asking
what's your name? And I had forgotten this, So the
accused Mangione responded.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Mark, Mark, I think New Jersey idea.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
I think so, Yeah, it was the name of what
the prosecutors say was indeed a fake idea on his person.
And then the responding officer, this is all you know,
laid out through testimony and bodycam, told Mangione that someone
called said you were suspicious, thought you looked like someone
and then he commented on Mangione's demeanor and said, you

(09:59):
seem a little nervous.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
Why are you nervous?

Speaker 4 (10:02):
So ps Notice I haven't mentioned his miranda right rights yet, right,
because thus far they.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Were not well.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
He wasn't arrested at that point, right, Yeah, erect he's
walking into a scene. You don't just arrest somebody without
asking a few questions and making sure that the other
patrons and McDonald's are are not going to be threatened,
like this guy could have just either been a fraud
or really dangerous.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
And the responding officer, in his testimony, he said that
he conducted a frisk because this officer believed that the
accused man Jone, could be armed, and he said, quote,
I knew up in New York they hadn't found the
firearm because indeed the it hadn't been found at the
scene of the murder. So why wouldn't you assume that

(10:54):
there could be a firearm active shooter? Yeah, And Mangione
kind of oddly, I guess what else would you do?
But what he did was he told officers that he
was homeless and simply continued eating his breakfast while his
identity was checked. And then finally the accused Mangeone, admitted

(11:19):
the truth.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
So that was just the idea I had in my wallet.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
And then at nine forty eight, which was nineteen minutes
after the first contact, Mangeone was read his miranda rights.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
So just for the technicality, because we talked about this
a bit last night, and by the way, by a bit,
I mean a lot. Again, this is not you know,
it doesn't appear that the defense team is saying he
didn't do it or you have the wrong guy. They're
getting him on a technicality for that nineteen minutes where
the miranda rights had not been read. But again, this

(11:53):
is a police officer from a small town, which you know,
they're rolling in by themselves, by the way, to get
a hogie in exchange for potentially bringing down a suspect
that's being sought after worldwide, who could be extremely dangerous,
like they had to assess, I mean, and it's very brave.

(12:14):
I felt like this officer handled it very bravely. Despite
this nineteen minutes. But if those nineteen minutes are so critical,
weren't there other scenarios that Luigi, for example, used that
same fake ID at the hostel in the days leading up,
there were other times where that manifesto, that maybe that
manifesto was discussed with Luigi and somebody in the prison system.

(12:38):
I believe, like, does that really wash that all away
just because he wasn't nineteen minutes?

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Well, it doesn't wash it away, but it does call
into question if what was found in the backpack, which
the defense is saying was on constitutional search, should be
allowed admitted into trial. We'd actually love to hear what
you think about this. Give us a call through on
crime or hit us on the talkbacks. You know, do
you think these twenty minutes are as pivotal as the

(13:06):
defense is saying?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, and I wonder too if it's something to do
with the state the state's laws too, because, like you know,
this is a crime committed in New York, and he
was arrested in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Correct, and the Pennsylvania State Police have a different set
of circumstances, and by their account, it was very lawful,
and I would have to assume this gun was a
three D gun. Remember he had all those fancy, the
fancy bullet casings that were very intentional.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
And this ghost gun.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Great question for Joseph on forensics because can't you just
tell if this was the gun that actually committed the crime?

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Well, that is that is interesting. I did a whole
thing about because I, you know, i'd meant the three
D printing. I know you are, Yeah, And I was
always wondering about the ballistics that a three D printed
gun would leave on a bullet, you know, a shellcasing
exactly because it doesn't it's not made of steel, but
the barrel, the barrel itself is steel, so it's not

(14:01):
fully three Y printed. Its three D printed parts. So
they buy like aftermarket barrels and put these things together
so there would be legitimate casings.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, why do I not understand three D printing at all?
The idea of making a gun with a three D
printer is where my brain collapses. I've seen it. I've
seen like images of it, et cetera. But again, it's
so intentional. And even if this nineteen minutes, for example,
is wiped off the record and the next juror or

(14:31):
jury rather won't see this information, they would still see
the ballistics and I don't know that we could just
remove the gun altogether if.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
The ballistics match.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Well, if you if you can't submit something into evidence,
you can't submit something into evidence.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
This is like protocol ridiculousness. It is, but I mean
it's a slippery slope if it's ignored.

Speaker 7 (14:54):
Though it is, Well, it happened in Pennsylvania, and lucky
for us, we have a Pennsylvania attorney joint that's right.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Oh my goodness, Yes, I'm so dumb. I totally forgot
he's But.

Speaker 7 (15:05):
Yeah, we're going to dig it in because I think
that'll be a perfect time to ask.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Absolutely, because the what the prosecutors say is that the
arrest in searches were conducted lawfully, and they cited that
al Tuna police procedures permit searches of a person's clothing
and bags during an arrest.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well, there you go, there is I means.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
This feels like such a stretch to me. I can't
even tell you. And even seeing Luigi in court kind of,
you know, looking the other way when footage was being shown,
I can't imagine what's going through his head.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Well, stick around because when We're back. We have the
digital trail in the Brian Walsh murder trial, the latest
in the slender Man case.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
That more true crime tonight. Welcome back to True Crime
to on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime all the time.
I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with my two favorite ladies, Courtney
Armstrong and Body move in. Buddy has our little hood

(16:10):
up which is adorable, adorable. And then of course we
have Taha and Sam.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
And Ada are in the control room.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
And yeah, it's cold outside everybody, so hopefully you're all
cozy and cuddled up in front of the fireplace listening
to us. If you want to join the convo eight
at eighth three one crime. So this Brian Walsh, the
accused wife killer. We covered this last night. It's an
ongoing trial real time right now. We'll be following it daily.

(16:39):
This guy is crazy making and I cannot wait to
dig in. Boddy, do you want to give us a
little bit of the backstory from today?

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Let's see how it goes. So today was the second day, right,
yesterday was day one. Today was the second day in
the murder trial of accused Massachusetts wife killer Brian Walsh.
Testimony centered on Trooper Grano's forensic review of the accused devices,

(17:07):
including all these searches that he did about body disposal.
I mean, these searches are horrendous, while the defense worked
to challenge the meaning, source, and context of those searches
through pointed cross examination. Again for those who aren't familiar,
accused killer Brian Walsh is standing trial for murdering and

(17:28):
dismembering his wife, victim Anna Walsh, who disappeared I'm using
air quotes right now, who disappeared on New Year's Day
twenty twenty three. So he's plug guilty to dismembering the body, right,
But he is saying, Oh, she died in bed and
I panicked. I didn't know what to do because you know,

(17:48):
I've got these little kids and I just I didn't
know what to do.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
So that's what it is. To cut her up into peace.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yes, she spread her body parts throughout the lad land
and going to various dumpsters and different locations. Keep in mind,
she has not been able to be late to rest
and she has not been found. So just to add
some context to the grizzliness of what he's done, and
some of the searches are originally into.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Some of them. I picked out some of them because listen,
there were so many that it would take the whole
show to read them all. Okay, So I just, like Cherry,
picked a couple that I thought were like interesting. But
we'll get to that in just a minute. There's a
couple of things I want to talk about first. So
the first witness was police Sergeant Harrison Schmidt, and he
was back on the stand from yesterday. The prosecutors played

(18:41):
audio from the accused, Brian Walsh's interview with the police
that took place in the family's dining room while victim
Anna Walsh, was quote unquote missing right because it's all
the police, my wife is missing because her job was
like where is she? So he had to call the cops,
right well, So they played the audio from that interview,

(19:03):
and then later Massachusetts State Police Trooper Nicholas Garano took
the stand and he testified about all these searches, this
like violent search history. In the audio interview played for
the jurors, police ask him, they accused, where he thinks
his missing wife is, and he says a lot of
people said maybe she went to a spa, you know,

(19:25):
maybe she was she was under a lot of pressure
a spa. Yeah right, that doesn't really track with her
my wife though she loved her jobed and loved her family. Like,
it was just a really strange what a piece of
garbage excuse. Yeah, so it's just a piece of trash.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
He has not been found guilty of murder, so innocent
until but he has pled and admitted that he chopped
his wife up.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
And he's like, eh, maybe she's gotten a massage.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, and that was his Yeah, everybody said, you know,
this is which just people are The word on the
street could be that she's getting a massage and her
nails done at a smile, give me a break, and
not to mention the night. The call, the call to authorities,
which I'm always obsessed with those nine to one one
calls when we know now that they're just methful lies,

(20:18):
is also really difficult to hear.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
So yeah, so this is this is also interesting. So
in an interview the next day, so she she goes missing,
she's gone for a couple of days, work realizes she's missing, calls,
you know. Brian's like, so he had a call the
next day. Uh, the police asked him about the searches

(20:41):
that they found on his son's iPad, right, And his
response was, Oh, I don't know anything about that, and
it's giving the impression. This is what it's giving. He's
like kind of passing it off, like the son did it.
The kids will be kids, boys, boys, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Who can keep a control of your kid's devices? Who
knows what they searched for?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
And some of these some of these searches include things
like how to dispose of a dead body on his
little kids? And he's like, was a me? Well he was.
He was arrested like the next day. So he said
he didn't know anything about those searches and he was
arrested soon after. During cross examination, police Sergeant Harrison Schmidt

(21:23):
acknowledged that the searches were not actually conducted on the
son's iPad, but were synced to the iPad from another device,
like the cloud did it? Okay, imagine the kid. It
doesn't matter. But it doesn't matter when he asked, when
when the cops asked, what about these searches on your
son's iPad? You know, Brian Walsh still cut through his

(21:44):
kid under the bus. Yeah, he's a liar, liar matter,
so let me read some of the searches that I
thought were interesting. You guys, can we can talk about them?

Speaker 6 (21:53):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (21:54):
I am a user on my wife's credit card and
she is missing. Can I still use the card?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Great question, Brian, glad you have your priorities together to
go buy.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Some your chainsaws and something to hack her up with.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Have?

Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:10):
And this one is interesting because I feel like this
is an omission. Best ways to dispose of body parts
after murder? After what? Yeah? After murder? Right? How long
for someone to be missing to inherit? She had like
a one million dollar life insurance policy. This is the

(22:32):
interesting thing. If she died naturally, let's just say live
let's live in a fantasy island where Anna Walsh died
in her sleep. Okay, God rest her soul. If if
he wanted this money, why wouldn't he just call the
cop she died naturally? Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Of course, that's what a normal innocent person would do.
You would call nine one one, You would ask for
an ambulance, and you would also just hope that maybe
her life could be saved, or that there was something,
you know, what happened. You know, these things do happen
and it's very tragic.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
Sure, sure, or a minimum she could be put to
rest properly, like.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Correct, well and the mother children.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Do you guys remember from last night this came out
and yesterday's testimony that the defense are suggesting that Anna
Walsh died of.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Do you remember the name of it? It was like
unexpected death. Oh, it was like SIDS, but like for adults.
It was a unexpected death an adult unexpected life shortening
or something.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
Yeah, you know a forensic expert would have to look up.
Not something that you can just look at someone laying
there and know immediately.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Is the case, but exactly right, right, Like why wouldn't
you assume she had a heart attack?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Right?

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Or a stroke or an animals and many of the
other things that can happen to a young woman.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
She was young.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
She was thirty nine years old. Another thing he he
searched for was is six ways to dispose of a body? Murder, murder, murder.
It sounds like it sounds like a team casted Netflix
right to pretend strange? How to saw a body, How

(24:15):
to dismember a body? Hack saw the best tool to
dismember a body? Can you be charged with murder without
a body. So these are like admissions to me. These
are like big time admissions to me. And I don't know.
I don't know how they're going to get bat I
don't know how they're gonna combat that. And by the way,
if you have anything to say and you want to

(24:36):
weigh and give us a call eight and eight thirty
one Crime or hit us on the talkbacks on the
iHeartRadio app, because I would love to know what you
guys thought of these searches.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
I really wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
You can go find them anywhere online. One of the
interesting things that I that I that we found that
he searched for was Patrick Kerney. And if you don't
know who he is, he was called the trash Bag
Killer and the Freeway Killer. He's an American serial killer
who sexually assaulted and murdered a minimum of twenty eight
young men and boys in southern California between nineteen sixty

(25:08):
two and nineteen seventy seven. He is often engaged in
necrophilia with his victims' bodies before dismembering them, and he
frequently wrapped his victims severed limbs and trash bags and
scattered them in various locations mainly along state highways.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Now, by the way, searching for that, well, I think
we know why he were searching for that, because he
wanted to have the how to blueprint. By the way,
that's a very specific serial killer that's not really commonly known.
We know him, you know, because we follow this stuff
so much, but that's not you know, the Bundy of
the world, right.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Right, So so very.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Specific, which also makes me confuse, like is this something
that was very premeditated, because some of this stuff is
just like, first of all, it's so dumb, why is
he searching for everything under the sun. Of course, your
digital footprint is going to be found out. But remember
this guy's a fraud and a liar to begin with.
He was already on charges and looking at jail time

(26:11):
for pretending to have fine art that was actually fake.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
He had some weird stuff like does the diswasher clean blood?
Is it possible that a knife which had blood on
it remains contaminated with HIV after it's been washed. It's
it's like weird stuff that he's looking for, Like, oh,
I didn't.

Speaker 7 (26:32):
Hear much of these, like he I know a lot
of these he looked in advance before her death. But
I'd be curious, like, oh, no, these are after, these
are after or all of these are after?

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, yeah, there were a few that happened on like
the twenty seventh of December, and it was like the
twenty seventh of December, she again, she went missing on
New Year's Day. And I'm using missing in air quotes
because he killed her. I don't care. I know he's accused.
He's accused of killing her. So December twenty seventh, he
searched for what's the best state to divorce for a
me uh huh? And then at four fifty five am

(27:08):
it's the first search I know of on January first,
how long before a body starts to smell?

Speaker 6 (27:15):
Period?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
And just as it.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Reminds her, this is a young mom who has three
young children, you know, all under the age I believe
of ten years old. You know, they're still very young.
And imagine what that Christmas was like just days prior.
What were the festivities, What was the air in the
room like? Were they opening presents and putting on the
you know, forward facing look of a happy family.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Did she sense in pending doom?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
We know that she was concerned that her husband might
be doing some serious hard time for the fraudulent art
dealings he was doing, right.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
So.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
What was going on that did she sense this coming?
It's heart wrenching.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
It is heart wrenching, and it's it's so funny that
you mentioned it, because at the moment you said that,
I was just saying January first, like there's not even
batteries in all of the Christmas toys yet. Yeah, exactly,
you know what I mean, Like that's there's not and yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Everyone's off, the kids are off of the school. Yeah,
you know, everyone's home.

Speaker 7 (28:15):
The kids were at the time of her disappearance aged two,
four and six, so tiny little nuggets and just the
whole thing is horrific. But I brought this up yesterday
and I was kind of wrapping my head around it
when I know he's looking at towards the dismemberable charges
versus first degree murder, so I had to look up,
like I'm curious, like what is the time frame difference

(28:36):
in Massachusetts for example, So first degree murder in Massachusetts
carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison without parole,
but on the side, improper disposal or dismemberment canuck go
up to maybe five years in prison, and so you
can see why they're clearly going in that direction.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
But five years for something.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Can you imagine if this man again, if you haven't
looked at a photo, we never say this, like, we
never look at a photo when it say this guy.
But in this particular case, this photo makes me crazy
whenever I look at him.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
He looks like that guy who's just like that.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Con Yeah, that he is out for blood just by
virtue of the fact that he's not only done what
he has done. Do you know how difficult it is
to dismember a body? Though he's saying that part, It
is off the charts difficult and scary and sad and
the kind of thing you do not come back from
and it is not normal. So this poor woman, Anna

(29:35):
was married to this monster for a very long time, right,
and you know, little did she know that somebody imagine,
like the person that you're with is capable of that.

Speaker 6 (29:47):
It's really diabolical.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
And her backstory is kind of you know, you know,
telling too. I mean, she she came to the United States,
she had a dual citizenship. Her family is you know,
not immediately around her. You know, they're not going to
get to lay her to rest, and you know, she
she got her degree, and she was, you know, living
a full life and working in hospitality and somehow gets

(30:10):
wrapped up with this clown.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
What a sad ending. I know it's it's really sad,
but I listen, I really believe that he's going to
get convicted. I think, I really, I think the jury
is sitting there going what But I still want to
know if they're going to hear that he pled guilty
to dismembering her and whatnot and dispersing her remains. I

(30:32):
haven't heard anything yet.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
Oh, whether the jury will hear that information? Yeah, oh,
I thought that was because he admitted to that.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
I thought, sure, right, But but what I don't know
is if that they're going to hear that he pled
guilty to those things, because right now it's not charging.
He's not being charged with that because he already play
guilty to it. So stay tuned for that. I really
want to know.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Right now, to Taha's point, because yesterday, I think, remembering
the same thing, it was poor Brian Walsh went to
find his wife unresponsive.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
He shook her.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
She was so unresponsive that she then fell onto your floor.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
And then in a panic this port true God.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
So to protect kids.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
No, you're talking the table. Yeah, I mean I can't
believe I forgot that, Like I just said it like
ten seconds ago. But take portant for that.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
So but listen, like there is these huge trials happening
between Luigi's trial now accused killer wife trial Brian Walsh,
and also these new developments in this terrible case surrounding
the pregnant woman age twenty two, whose body was found
several days ago. There's still this burning question as to

(31:42):
what happened to her baby. And yesterday we were talking
about it. It seemed impossible to imagine that her mother was
involved or her stepfather was involved.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Not her sister.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
She couldn't possibly be involved, definitely, not the baby daddy.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Well, how things have changed. Yeah, So there was the
arraignment today of Courtney and Brad Bartholomew. So Courtney is
the biological mother and Brad is the husband of Courtney,
so he's the stepfather you know of Rebecca Park the victim.

(32:20):
So again, Rebecca Park was twenty two years old. She
was thirty eight weeks pregnant. Oh, I think maybe thirty nine.
She was due basically, she was do She was one
hundred percent due. She disappeared on November third and was
found dead on the twenty fifth in the Manistee National
Forest in Michigan, prompting a multi agency investigation. Authorities are

(32:43):
continuing to search for victim Rebecca Park's missing baby and
have released very limited details due to the investigation sensitivity. However,
I think from reading the charges, we can kind of,
you know, ascertain what happened, and then I'll talk about
So I'll read some of the charges. There's so many.

(33:04):
I'll read some of the charges, and then I will
read what the cops think happened.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
How's that great?

Speaker 3 (33:11):
So let's go through the charges. Okay, So, uh, victim
re Becca Park's mother, her name is Courtney Bartholomew. And
here's here's some of the charges. Okay, immediately, Yeah, so
these are these are Courtney's the biological mom and her

(33:32):
arraignment again was today. One count of premeditated homicide, one
count of torture, one count of assault on a pregnant
individual causing a miscarriage or still birth. Yeah, one count
of unlawful imprisonment, one count of removal of dead bodies

(33:53):
without consent. Yeah, so that's that's the mom's charges. The
stepdad's charges are like the same, except for instead of
premeditated homicide, it's just homicide. He has the torture, the
conspiracy to commit homicide, the assault of a pregnant individual.
He has all those two one count of unlawful imprisonment,

(34:16):
et cetera, and one count of removing dead bodies without consent.
He also because he's an habitual defender, he's also been
charged as the habitual defender, So both of them were
denied bond, both of the goodness.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
So basically, they took her, lured her into the bomb's home,
held her captive, did unspeakable things to her, and then
removed her body and place.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
You're stealing my thunder here right now, right, Nancy Drew.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
But I have a question about one of the charges,
which is for Rebecca Parks's mother, Courtney Bartholo Mule is
charged with one count of assault on a pregnant individual
causing a mis carriage or still birth. Right, But to
my knowledge, we have not nobody has found the baby.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Is that correct? Correct? That is correct? But you know,
the I think the other night when we were on
I think it was I think it was Sir Joseph.
When we were on with Joseph, I had mentioned that
the cops were out there searching the house, the trailer
that they live in, and they were taking devices and
then burn barrels and things like that from the home
while we were on the show. And I think what

(35:28):
maybe has happened is in the in the course of
the investigation, they found communication between you know, all these
characters that could you know, maybe alluded to the fact
that this had happened because they the county prosecutor, Joanna
Carey has come out and said basically what they think happened,
and it includes that. So let me let me go

(35:49):
through that. So the couple, it's saying that Courtney and
Brad again, Courtney is the biological mother of victim Rebecca
Park and Brad is her husband. Is not Rebecca's dad,
but he is Courtney's husband. The couple researched and planned
the crime prior to doing that, like why would they ever?

(36:10):
Do you remember when I presented this case. Do you
remember when I presented this case, I had mentioned that Courtney,
the biological mother, was kind of I feel like, obsessed
with being pregnant, and she had taken a sonogram picture
that you can find on Google and presented it as
her own and then messaged a friend saying that she
had the baby and that it was in the nick
you and it was going to be coming home soon.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
So all this time she sat planning to.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I think that was part of it, like this whole
build up. So the couple researched and planned the crime.
The husband, Bradley, allegedly brought Rebecca, the victim, to their home,
forced her into a different vehicle. They allegedly drove her
into the woods. Rebecca was stabbed and forced to lie

(36:56):
on the ground. Her unborn baby was cut from her womb.
Both she and the baby died, and prosecutor Johanna Carey
described a crime as evil personified. And you know what
I agree.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
I mean for me to hear, yeah, that's too much
if the prosecution is coming out this plainly at this point, so.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I think they found something. Now listen, I'm telling you, guys,
these people never shut up. They're they're live on TikTok
all the time, just make all these crazy stories and
you know, well they're not live now, they're in jail.
But prior to the arrest. You know, this was building
a lot of momentum on social media, particularly TikTok, and
they never shut up.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
So I.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Have to see one TikTok's immediately. Can you send one
to me right now? I just need to see right now.
But my phone is on the other.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
But when you're saying they were all over, you're talking
about the victim, Rebecca Parks, her family, her family, her
sister to leave, was had some engagement.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, so her sister, Kimberly Park, has been charged with
lying to police in the investigation of a violent crime,
false felony reporting. So there's it's unclear if those charges
are connected to Rebecca's death or if Kimberly had any
knowledge of it, but she was lying to police. So

(38:30):
I have a feeling this is I have no evidence
of this, you guys, but I have a feeling there's
some communication between Kimberly the sister, and Courtney the mom
about what happened, and Kimberly was lying for her.

Speaker 7 (38:44):
I'm mistaken that that one of the accusations was she
tampered with evidence as well.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Tampering with evidence. That's another one, right.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
Okay, So she did that well, I mean, it seems
like it's connected, but that could be.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Just deleting a text message, you know what I mean.
It could be anything. It could be anything. So we
don't know, but we're obviously going to find out. But
we don't know right now.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
Interesting said it's horrific, go ahead, and is the victim's
father in the picture.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
I might be misunderstanding this, but what I'm seeing is
that according to Park's father in a statement on November
twenty fifth, he was the person who found Rebecca Park's
body with the search party.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
With her brother. So his her biological father and her
biological brother were out searching for her, and there were
a couple search crews and they found something kind of
they were kind of far away from it, but they
I think they knew it was her. So they went
and grabbed another search team and said, we think we

(39:47):
might have found something, but we're scared to look, you know,
I mean, this is his daughter, rights And the search
team was like okay, and they went and looked, and
of course it was her, and the father really loves her.
Probably no, I'm really not sure about the biological father's relationship.
She was adopted and by another family with her and

(40:08):
her sister. They were adopted. I think they were taken
from Courtney the mom. I mean, these people are not
stable people. They are like insane. Yeah, they're literally insane,
and I mean it's wild. These people are wild.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
And they were all like sleeping with the same man too,
baby with the baby daddy, well many years ago though,
I mean, it doesn't make it better.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
But Courtney, yes, at one point, had a relationship with
Richard Fowler, and Richard Fowler is Rebecca the victim, Rebecca's
baby daddy flash fance And where is he Well, we
don't know, but apparently the cops did suspect him at
one point because they served a search warrant to his

(40:54):
father's trailer where Richard and Rebecca were staying. And in
the search warrant it said that they were looking for
a fetus and so yeah, yeah, but in the course
of that search they found like this evidence that he
was distributing meth. So he's been charged with two counts
of meth. And here's the thing I think Brad is

(41:16):
talking Brad again, is Courtney's stuff or Courtney's husband the
biological mom because he's being housed a different jail, and
he was also seen like kind of with the investigators
when they were searching the property. He was seen with
them kind of like talking to them and stuff. So
I think he's maybe talking. Well, he must be.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Because he's also a convicted pedophile who has his record.
They all now he's a repeat offender that's back at jail.
He's he's definitely all doom and gloom if he doesn't
speak up right.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
This is a sickening story.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
In my eyes is broken for Rebecca and may may
she find some peace? Can we like go to something
a little lighter. Was going to say something later, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
Well go ahead, Courtney, what were you going to say?

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (42:05):
I mean, should you have any thoughts on this very
deeply sad case of Rebecca Park who has lost her
life when she was nine months pregnant and likely her
baby's life. You can hit us on the talk pack
and in the meantime we are going to go to
a different talk pack.

Speaker 8 (42:24):
Hey, this is Lisa from Pittsburgh. Wanted to send you
a huge thank you and a bit of a giggle.
Every time you say there's a talk to your kids
about this thing, I do. I text my sixteen year
old and ask, well, today I got a message from
him that said, Hey, there's.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
This new thing going around. I just want to let
you know they're not going to take advantage of me.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
So I appreciate you opening up that line of communication.
At first he was weirded out, but now it's easy.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
That is so adorable. By the way, That's been the
case for me too.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Suddenly once you kind of like RaSE the ice with
some of this heavy stuff. I mean, we talk about
a lot of heavy stuff, but I'm so glad to
hear that.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Once you bring the ice, I am so thrilled.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Yeah, yeah, I find the same and that just I
think it thrills all of our hearts.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
But yeah, I'm so happy.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
And honestly, that really is the biggest thing, or one
of the absolute biggest things you can do to prevent
something from happening to your child or to a child
in your life is an awareness of what is out
there without You don't need to be super ghoulish necessarily,
but it's open communication is really is everything.

Speaker 6 (43:41):
The key, even.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
For adults, all of us.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Right, the more we talk about some of this stuff
difficult as that last story, is to absorb and hear
the details of it's really important that we talk about
it because again, you don't know what to protect yourself
from in this world, and I don't know, it makes
us all a little bit safer and a little bit
smarter and you know, less less like pray.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
You know, when I was young, I was like anything
my mom said, I was like, you know, she's stupid,
you know, or whatever. So but I can see like
if she had come to me and been like, you know,
if this happens to you, let me know it, you know,
it's okay, I think I would have been able to
talk to her about things. More so, I do think
that that I don't have children, so I don't know,
you know, or even.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Just if you talk about it all the time kind
of regularly, it's not this big weird conversation, you know,
Like what makes truth bomb is just we're all super uncomfortable,
you know, if you're just unaturally asually talking about stuff again,
you know, within reason, I mean PG the G version,
but you know, things like just safety and general safety.

(44:52):
I think for all of us is really important to
keep you know, top of mind or.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Even like what Katie Greer the Internet X Birth that
she's spoken with and also Jessica Kaplan, the therapist, and people
that we interviewed for in cels. It's all all of
them are like just open the communication and kind of
often you know, whenever something, oh I heard X in
the news and you know, versus, hey, what the heck

(45:20):
are you doing on your device? You know, not accusatory,
So just keeping it in the ether, like you said, Stephanie,
in a non pressurized, non accusatory way.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
You know. I posted the story of that that kid
Bryce tape to my Facebook. Oh so sad, so so sad.
This this this kid, he was fifteen and he was
being sex storted. It took three hours, right, I posted
it to my Facebook, And do you know how many
people on my Facebook didn't believe it was true?

Speaker 6 (45:49):
Crazy?

Speaker 3 (45:50):
They thought they thought something was wrong with him, like, oh,
he must have been some you know for him knew
that three hours. Yeah, he got blame or they thought
I was fibbing. No oh no.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
Yeah, it's gotten ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I was like, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Putting all that aside, which is horrible, by the way,
that's wild. But also if another child, if this is
the case for all of us, E've been taking kids
out of it.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
When you're faced with that situation.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
That might seem like, Ah, it's just my mom or
that's just my you know, overprotective friend or partner or whomever,
until you find yourself in the thick of it and
then suddenly those you know, Spidey sense kicks in and
that could be a lifesaver.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Absolutely, ladies. Man, well listen, please leave it here.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Coming up at the top of the hour, we are
going to be switching on to new topics. We've got
slender Man update, We've got that, We've got more talkbacks
True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time of Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney
Armstrong and Body Move in listen. If you haven't heard,
Luigi has been back in court today and man, this
case is definitely heating up. It's actually a huge week
for trials in general, including the Brian Walsh case. We

(47:16):
talked about that earlier in the hour as well. If
you've missed any of the show No Sweat, you can
always catch us right after also as a podcast. So Luigi,
the crowds continue outside the New York Courthouse unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
There were all Meiji costumes, which makes me crazy.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
By the way, I mean, turning him into a iconic
supermodel that people worship is also so demented in my mind.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
But all that to be said.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
His lawyer is actually married to Ditty's defense lawyer.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Talk about a little legal power couple.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Big Time also highlighted in the Diddy doc that I
can't talk.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
To you guys about Wait a minute, can we talked
about that?

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah? I mean it was pretty interesting. I can't wait
for you guys to watch it. I mean, I'm only uh,
you know, a quarterway through, but I'm sure by tomorrow
night I will be fully there. So jump in. It
doesn't need to be a true crime and chill per se.
But you know, we talked about the Diddy case so
so much that I think we were all unsure if

(48:20):
it would be worth the watch or not a because
we've covered it so much and are we all just
a little tired of Diddy at this point? But no,
until I started watching, and I think it's pretty pretty interesting.
It also gives you an interesting timeline, you know. I
think for me, I wasn't as familiar with a Tupac
Biggie part of Puffy.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Story, and I think that's the one I'm most familiar.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
With exactly, And I really probably started getting into Diddy,
and I was a fan when j Loo stepped into
the mix, all right, because they used to date, right, Oh,
they used to date. He was remonsible for her like
remember that versace.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
Green dress, green dress, Yes.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
That's like what he was. I known for pairing her
in and.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Remember that the shootout at the club, and that was
very controversial and so much to still come, I'm sure.
But there's a lot about Diddy prior that I really
didn't know, and it's really well done.

Speaker 7 (49:14):
Yeah, I thought it was going to be a rehash
of all the same things. But if there's new, fresh info,
I will be sitting and watching it.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I'm just so curious what he thinks of it. Oh,
he's probably furious Diddy.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Well, I mean it seems like that he and his
camp are not happy with some of the footage that
is in the dock by Fittycent, So that makes me
I'll be curious.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
If that is a whole other life.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
His response is going to be interesting, right, because he
says he's reformed, He says he's, you know, a religious man,
now he's sober, et cetera. If he flies off the
handle at fifty cent, it's going to be interesting. If
there's like this new like West Coast East coast thing,
it's not going to be like that. But you know,
let's just say, let's live in a world that where

(49:58):
you know, it could be something like that, and it's
going to be very telling because he has changed it all.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Well, it's interesting and again if you haven't watched, this
won't be very fun. So I'll keep it very brief,
but definitely watched so we can chat about it again.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Doesn't need to be this week.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
We can definitely still to our are still to our
our normal stuff. But you know, I sort of really
started noticing Diddy again when Jayla was in the mix
after Biggie had died his beloved best friend, and that
song I'll Be Missing You that he sang infamously on
stage with Sting that one night. That's kind of when
I really tuned in and became kind of a I

(50:32):
think it was a then puff fan and now later
to become ditty, right, But it does tell an interesting
part of the Biggie story and how it's possible that
you know, Puff at the time really forced the hand
to be in Los Angeles where Biggie was ultimately killed
because there was this gang war between East Coast and

(50:56):
West Coast after Tupac's death, and did he just felt
like his ego wanted him to sort of be on
La turf giving a big party kind of as a
sort of like a you know, an few if you will, right,
And ultimately that was the night that Biggie died and
Biggie wanted to go home.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Oh well, one thing, and you had mentioned all of
did he you know, filming himself? And indeed, the director
of the documentary, Alexandria Stapleton, said, their purview it being
the footage.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
It came to us.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
We obtained the footage legally and have the necessary rights.
We moved heaven and earth to keep the filmmaker's identity confidential.
One thing about Shawn Colmbs is that he's always filming
himself and it's been an obsession throughout the decades.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Okay, and that says it. Wait a minute, hold on,
So Sean Combs, did he right hires a film guy,
a camera dude, whatever, a filmmaker to follow him around,
right like his own reality TV show. Okay, So then
he gets arrested and convicted and goes to prison, and
the filmmaker sells that footage to Bitty Cent a portion

(52:08):
of it.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I mean, really, the footage that I've seen so far
and I'm on the early stage of watching, was really
the six.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Days leading up to his quest. So he flies to
New York six days prior.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
He's staying at the New York hotel hyatt Or saying yeah,
where he was ultimately arrested in the lobby. We've all
seen that footage, but this is the six days prior.
He's in a hotel room and there are other people there,
and you hear him talking to his lawyer, who's also
the husband of Luigi's Luigi's defense attorney, which is why

(52:42):
I make the connection. It seems very claustrophobic, and did
he is like, look, I'm in town. What's the problem.
Like this is not looking great? Like we need to win.
I feel like the shoe is about to drop, and
boy did it ever? So, like, that's an interesting piece
of the beehive that you're looking at. I just think
it's wild that he has a person in that hotel

(53:02):
room with him shooting.

Speaker 6 (53:04):
That moment and for what end.

Speaker 7 (53:06):
Well, I probably thought I'm going to be this is
not going to happen. I'm not going to I'm going
to get off and this will make a good future
documentary about me and how.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
It's always he's always producing. He's always producing. He always
just has an ego.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I mean, are there's so many criminals, you know, I'm
thinking of the cult guy to Rinier.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
We've discussed this.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
He's er who also had like a film crew following
him all day all night that he had on staff.
People who think that they're worthy of a twenty four
hour filmmaker to be following them, that they're the ones paying,
Like they're not being commissioned. It's not like HBO wants
to follow you because you're so interesting, just because it's
because you think.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
I'm so fascinating. I will say, though, having cameras follow
you around is pretty it's pretty gives you a good ego.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
Listen, I yeah, it does.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Think it really does.

Speaker 6 (53:54):
It makes you way does it as well? So I
think a lot of people who have that big ego,
so he.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Might needed that.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Like it's not particularly flattering either, it's like, it honestly
shows you know, a slice of him that even if
you have a camera on you and you're being on
your best behavior, it's not that flattering, well best behavior.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
I just honestly, I just came across a quote. I
haven't seen one second of this documentary, but after reading this,
I will be.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
Watching it immediately after the show.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Oh literally.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
So I don't know if you got to this part yet,
Stephanie or anyone else who's watched it, but apparently in
the documentary.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Are you going Shawn spoilers right now?

Speaker 4 (54:36):
No, this is one line of what he said, and
it takes place. It's in He's on the phone six
days before his arrest. Is Stephanie laid out and apparently
he says, we need to find someone who will work
with us, who has worked in the dirtiest of dirty businesses.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
We are losing. Yeah, no, like that's what he says.
It's not a good look. It's really you know, some
stuff that's also in the trailer, but it's so gross.
It just says so much like he's walking through Harlem,
like shaking hands and giving love and hugging on his fans,
and then he gets in the car and.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
He's like, oh, I need some like hand washed, like
oh act and it just gives chills, you know, it
just gave me the chill. The facade is gone, it's
been removed, right.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
And he's been added for a really long time. So yeah,
it just paints a very I think elegant bad picture
of him.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Wow. So if you're just tuning in, if you're just
tuning in, we've just kind of just kind of gossiping, right,
I just having a little gossip session about the new
Diddy documentary. If you watched it, give us a call
eight to eight thirty one Crime or hit us on
the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app where we kind of
want to know what you guys think. It seems pretty interesting.
But Courtney, I understand you have an interesting update for
us as well. Yes, this is going back to the

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slender Man case. Yeah, okay, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
So a judge right now is being asked to send
Morgan Geyser, who was one of the perpetrators of the
twenty fourteen slender Man stabbing case. A judge is being
asked to send her back to a psychiatric facility and
not to jail. And this comes on the heels of
Morgan Geyser, a perpetrator of this attack, escaping a group

(56:18):
home in Wisconsin. Now, this arrest of Morgan Geyser happened
on November twenty third in Illinois, after Morgan Geyser had
cut off her ankle monitor and fled her group home.

Speaker 6 (56:32):
So all of.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
This and so again Morgan Geyser is now being brought
back to Wisconsin. And as a reminder, back in twenty fourteen,
Morgan Geyser was twelve years old at the time, she
and her fellow twelve year old friend and accomplice, Anissa Weir,
stabbed their classmate, a victim, Peyton Lautner. They stabbed her
nineteen times. They nearly killed her in the woods after

(56:56):
a sleepover, and the claim was that this was all
to a He's the fictional character slender Man. The victim,
even though she was stabbed nineteen times, has survived, thankfully.
But Morgan geyser escaping was incredibly scary for all involved.
I mean, she's clearly unwell. So once Geyser so she

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cut off GPS. She meets up with a friend who
she had met through church and they take a bus
to Illinois and Morgan Geyser was then brought back with
no charges in the state of Illinois, and Geyser's attorney
has formally requested that Geyser be transferred back to a

(57:39):
mental health facility, and they argue that she's not facing
any new criminal charges and was originally institutionalized under a
mental disease verdict and therefore shouldn't be in jail.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Well, she needs to be. She needs to be in
a secure facility.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Not group Yeah, it's not safe for the other group
home inmates, you know, for anybody who's exactly that's exactly right.
And I'm curious if her mother has come out at
all Morgan Geyser mom. You know, she has in the
past and has spoken out kind of publicly about the
mental health issues. You know, she knows her daughter had

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been suffering with at this point. But I didn't see
much about that today, you know, I've either I didn't either.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
But in the past, so Geyser herself perpetrator. She disclosed
years ago lifelong visual and auditory hallucinations, including figures that
she interpreted as ghosts and things melting down walls, and
her mother at the time did describe Geyser as being
floridly psychotic is what it is?

Speaker 3 (58:49):
What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (58:51):
And you know I have not heard the term either.
I wrote it down and did not bother to look
it up, I know. So okay, Google tells me listen
to the state of acute psychosis with severe and obvious
symptoms such as hallucinations. The florid phase is the most
intense period of psychotic episodes.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Her brain is sick, you know, ill. I mean I
really believe that, I really believe she's but I mean,
she can't be in these open group homes though.

Speaker 6 (59:22):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
And you know, people warned the judge like way back
when when she got just recently, actually I think this
year early this year, right rand to this group home,
that something was going to happen, like because she's unwell.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
So they'll be a hearing on December twenty second and
the state will figure out then where Indeed Morgan guys goes.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
I would have thought, not.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
To go back to the beginning of the show, but
even back to Luigi, that mental illness was playing some
part in his path, but that has never come up.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
No, not yet.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Well listen, keep it here. We have topics from Anna
Kepner and lots of other dms. True Crime Tonight. Welcome
back to True Crime Tonight. We are so happy you

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are here joining us, and I think you guys, we
should hop right into a talk back.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Hey, ladies, listening as a Sunday episode of Umnic Caountner.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
I'm just wondering this asphixiation just means the loss of
breast or does it mean like I'm just wondering.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Did maybe the stepbrother put a pillow over her face
or does.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
It actually mean she was choked to death? Just to talk,
you know, stuff we've been talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Perhaps you know there were play fighting. Maybe you know
she stopped breathing because you know a pillow smothered her.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Obviously, just trying to play.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Double is advocate by channeling my inner Sefty Thames, ladies.

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
By when we were just talking about this, but we
were yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Because what's the difference between great question, By the way,
thank you for remaining hopeful for the sixteen year old
who was being associated with this horrible, horrible event. But
it's three things, right, what's the difference between strangulation elation
and then the mechanical exphyxiation which is also a new

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layer being added to this report, which is what they're saying.

Speaker 7 (01:01:39):
Correct, she died from and panical exphyxiation means someone died
because airflow was blocked by an outside force, typically caused
by pressure on the neck, chest, or airway.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
So that is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Right. And exphyxiation itself can happen from many different things.
To the talkbacks point, right, it could be strangulation, it
could be suffocation, it could be a pillow, it could
be a good point. It could be chemical, it could
be drowning. But this was a mechanical exphyxiation. And I
think at one point they said it was a bar hold, didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
They That was an indication I remember seeing, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
And as Mema well for sure, and I don't know
if this is fact right, But mem who is Anna
Kepner's grandmother, who she and her grandfather were on the
cruise ship as well, although they were not in the
room obviously at that moment. But I saw her giving
an interview that was heart wrenching, and she basically said

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that she was in the first portion of the interview
that police were doing with the sixteen year old stepbrother
after the body was found, and she made kind of
that choke hold, you know, when she kind of made
that gesture, and then I've seen another person on the
news also just make that gesture, but it doesn't say

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that anywhere. So I mean a pillow. That's a that's
a great thought. And I don't know that we know
the answer quite yet.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
I could have sworn it was reported early on that
it was a bar a bar hold.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Yeah, yeah, which again, you could do that while playing around,
if you're horsing around, as you know sometimes and again
this is not a boys will be boys statement.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
I do not mean that in any way, but if.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
You're clowning around, and I have all brothers, so it
would not be uncommon for somebody to be in a
choke hold just on a you know, on the way to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Dinner, but you know, are long rough housing in that
hold in order to die. It's a long time, is
that right? Yeah, it's a long time, like if you
if you, yeah, it's a long time to choke somebody.
And even if she's so little, even if she's little,
it doesn't matter whow and listen, we're definitely on different

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sides of the coin here, Like I think this kid's
probably guilty of it because again the you know, the
friend of Anna Kepner talked to the little brother and
he said he heard a commotion inside that room.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
And has that been reported anywhere except for the friend
saying it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
No, just no, It's been reported that the friend said that. Yeah.
I mean, that's how I got it that he did
an interview.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah, but the friend was hearing that from the boyfriend.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
So it was the boy The boyfriend is the one
who said it, got it the reporters. Yeah, but again
that's all hearsay, right, It is a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
I guess it's just because he's a minor, the sixteen
year old.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
It's tough, I know. So it's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
So you think that he was a psychopath at sixteen
years old, had a thing or was a little off
to begin with, as reported by Anna Kepner's ex boyfriend,
and that he intentionally took her life.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
Let's just say as reported by Anna Kepner's ex boyfriend
and not by Anna Keptner's grandparents who said this was
a normal kid, was a normal kid, as well as
Anna Keepner's father who has said he was a quote
normal kid. So just yeah, all sides, right, I mean,
just sixteen years old, man. I mean listen, I also

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watched Nancy Grace and shed be on your side of things, body,
and I'm not on a side. I'm just oh, I'm
just devastating to see somebody so young.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
And I just don't I just don't think age really is.
I mean, look at we just talked about Slenderman. They
were twelve. It breaks my heart. I mean, I don't
think age. I just don't think age is something that
holds somebody back from being off the rails.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Well, but just the other side of that would be
that you know, your brain isn't fully developed at all,
your frontal lobes. We know this as facts are not developed.
So your reasoning is questionable. Now just add any teenager
at that age in terms of their reasoning, because you
don't fully understand consequences. You know, you don't really understand

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consequences until those consequences really hit you in the face.
And I guess I'm just responding to what mem her grandmother,
Anna Kapner's grandmother said in an interview days after. And
he was like howling, crying, and you know, the sixteen
year old, you know, was this just something that got away?

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
And you know, just as a heartbreaker.

Speaker 7 (01:06:42):
Yeah, but I mean I've seen you know, sixteen year
olds who what wasn't There was a case recently where
the young guy was arrested for the rape charges. He's crying,
So I mean, yeah, they might have done something awful
and you feel guilt.

Speaker 6 (01:06:57):
About it in those emotions. That's right in that way.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
So that's true. It's it's yeah, I mean, I just
strangulation if if that's what happened, it just takes a
long time. It's very like, very intentional. It's very intentional,
and it's also very intimate. It's also very intimate.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
One piece of the puzzle though, because it's been brought
up a few times, is that she was not feeling
well at dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
She said her brace is hurt, her brace is hurt
or something. She was nauseous, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
According to her grandmother, Mima, she was, you know, sickened,
and she just like something wasn't sitting right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
She was like, I'm going to go back to the room. Yeah.
Was that real?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Is it possible that she had been she had been
food poisoned, for example, and maybe she was like a
little off and got back to the room and wanted
to use the bathroom and he was standing in her
way because now she has like a bad stomach, and
they're in this small little room, and maybe he was
taunting her, as you know, sixteen year olds that are

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dumb dums my do, and it just escalated.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
I just I have to believe.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
That it was something unintentional, and I reserve the right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
God knows to be wrong. But no, I mean, I
hope that that's entirely possible. I do.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
I just I still can't get past the fact that
then you would hide the body under the bed, then
put you know, life preservers and kind of cover it up.
I mean, I know he's sixteen, so we're not fully developed,
but at that point, if you've injured a family member,
it seems like you've got all these other family members
down the hall. When you go and say, I think
I just did something wrong, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
I mean, I just, yeah, I know, what do you
do in that situation? Think about it? I mean, I listen,
Brian Walsh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
We talked about, you know, the accused wife killer. That
was his big idea.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
So I guess to your point, you know, people do
really bad things.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Well, his life is ruined, no matter how you slice it.
We know her body was found under his bed and
it was covered with life jackets, and he slept that
night on top of that bed along with her biological brother.
I mean, that's what I just don't have anything, you imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
It never really occurred to me that he slept on
that bed and the standing.

Speaker 6 (01:09:18):
Yeah, that's my understanding as.

Speaker 7 (01:09:19):
Well, because where else would he have gone until the
next morning.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
So and the little boy that was her birth brother
at fourteen came back into the room and he went
to bed, and he was he.

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
Was just out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
He was out exploring the ship. And you know, I
think taking pictures or something.

Speaker 6 (01:09:39):
Yeah, right, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
I guess I just yeah, I'm a little harsher. I
guess I don't know. No, No, you're just probably a
little more.

Speaker 6 (01:09:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
There's you know, there's an old meme. Can I talk
about it real quick?

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
There's an old meme.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
And it's a three little beakers, okay, and they've got
little smiley face on them and stuff, and one says
I'm half full, and they're all half full, okay, And
one says I'm half full, and the other one it's
got a little sad face and he says, I'm half empty,
and then the other one because it's like yellow liquid
in these beakers, I'm half full. I'm half empty, and
the other one says I'm full of piss says I'm realist.

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
It's one of my favorites and that's me.

Speaker 7 (01:10:29):
Well, yeah, file a little bit more. But yeah, well
that one is one we'll keep following. And if we
have for sure legal questions or anything, we can ask
Jared about that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Do we know if they have alcohol, if by any
chance on the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Ship, I don't know, but if the ship itself, well,
I know the ship probably had alcohol.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
But Anna was eighteen, she could I think drink on
the ships, right.

Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
Yeah, that's a good question.

Speaker 7 (01:10:54):
If you're National water drink at eighteen, I feel like
you probably there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
This was days ago.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
Yeah, preliminary finding, So okay, maybe something comes up. But
preliminary find findings indicate both no signs of sexual assault
as well as no drugs and no alcohol in her system.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Okay, I just kind of wondered maybe, But I mean,
I don't know if you guys ever, like if you're
when we were younger, you know, my mom would let
me have a wine cooler, you know what I mean.
It was like, you can have a wine coolers. Do
you guys remember wine coolers?

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
I loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Right now those anymore?

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Those they were so anyway, my mom would be like,
you know, I was like sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
She's like, you can have one with you know, with
us tonight or whatever. And I just especially when you're
on vacation, you.

Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
Know, I'm sure. So, I'm just I was just wondering, is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
There a world that we live in in which where
the sixteen year old kid maybe had some alcohol or
you know, Anna had some alcohol or something, and to
your point, stuff something happened. But you know, like death
by strangulation is just it takes a while, it is.

Speaker 7 (01:12:10):
Yeah, I didn't think about that until you said it
that I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
I think you pass out and to psychology come back.
So quest to ask Joseph.

Speaker 6 (01:12:16):
I think I think that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
I think you take it takes like thirty to sixty
seconds to like pass out and then another three to
six minutes to die, so.

Speaker 6 (01:12:26):
You have to literally be holding it first to me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Right, and I could be wrong about that, please, you know,
take it with a great of salt. I'm just recalling memory.

Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
We'll have a conversation with Joseph about it. We also
got a DM about the same case.

Speaker 7 (01:12:42):
Oh yes, this one is from Leslie and she says, hello,
huge fan. So glad there's a true crime show that
covers cases nearly every day. Anyway, just a note about
the Anna Kepner case. We cruise often on Carnival and
have actually cruised on the Horizon ship that sweet Anna
lost her life on. Totally creepy to think about. Because

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we often we cruise often, and we have an interesting
family dynamic as well.

Speaker 6 (01:13:09):
Three young adult.

Speaker 7 (01:13:10):
Kids, two young kids, the room situation becomes difficult. Technically,
someone over the age of twenty one should be quote
staying in each room according to the Carnival rules. Trust me,
I have often thought it would be easy to pile
the adults adult kids none to twenty one at the
time in our last cruise in a room by themselves.

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But because of this twenty one year old rule and
understanding there is a reason for this rule, we have
always abided. As a side note, I can see Carnival
not accepting any liability liability whatsoever. If Anna was the
oldest staying in this room, what.

Speaker 6 (01:13:46):
Are your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
I think I had mentioned that I thought it was
weird that, you know, the teenagers are all in their
own room, especially then when they're not related. But I understand,
and I say that as somebody who grew up with
like no money at all and going on a cruise
would be like this extravagant thing. And I know how
expensive it would be to be able to house all

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these kids in different rooms with an adult. I say
that knowing that, But you know, here we are, no, here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
We are, And I wonder what the dynamic between the
family was prior, right, So is this one of those
cruises where we're blending a family and not everyone gets
on and you're hoping that this kind of sorts out
some of the kinks or is everybody thick as thieves?
And this has been a beautiful, smooth transition just based
on what we've read allegedly allegedly allegedly, we know that

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Anna Kepner's birth mother wasn't really included in family festivities.
In fact, she wasn't even invited to go to our
unders funeral. So there was some tension on that side
of things, no doubt. But I wonder, as you know,
you blend a family, step kids, stepmothers, always father, but
not always right. Maybe it's perfect and maybe this was.

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But was this something that they did often as a family.
You know, they had meable there and Grandpa. There was
this one of those trips that was a learning curve
trip where the idea was, yeah, like everybody, it's a
lot of people. We are on that boat together. We're
bonding experience family.

Speaker 6 (01:15:17):
That's a great concept. Actually, that's all Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
And it kind of fits all ages. You can be
the older kids can find something fun to do. The
little kids can also enjoy fun things.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Honestly, a great idea to take the family on a cruise,
I think, yes, yeah, there's something for everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
And now this family is for sure ripped apart because
you know they're on opposite sides of things.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Yeah, we'll stick around. We have more to dig into.
We've got some more talkbacks to get to and keep
it right here at True Crime Tonight, we're talking true
crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm I'm staff here with
Courtney and Body and listen. We have a couple of
talkbacks to get through.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Let's go to one right now.

Speaker 9 (01:16:07):
Hi, this is Andrea from Indiana, and I had a
question for Body about metadata. I was wondering what her
opinion was of the Johnny Depp Amber Heard case because
metadata played a part in the photos that Heard was
submitting us evidence of her abuse and her makeup or
not lack of makeup. I'm wondering what you guys think

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is that was that real? Or was that message? Thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
The metadata is such a great question because we had
the same one for Body as well, because I didn't
realize that if you take a picture of a picture,
then the metadata doesn't count.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
You don't see it like a screen. Yeah, like when
you take a screenshot, it's not really you know, the
camera isn't capturing it, right. And that's kind of what
happened with the Amber Heard and Johnny Depp's stuff. So
from what I recall, this is many years ago. From
what I recall, the defense attorneys for Johnny Depp called

(01:17:05):
a forensics expert who said that, you know, a lot
many of the photographs that Amber her presented of the
abuse that she's you know, claiming that she suffered through,
they couldn't verify the metadata because the EXIF which is
EXIF data, is what's on pictures, like the geolocation, the

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kind of camera that took the phone or the picture,
you know, things like that, and the software section is
supposed to stay supposed to say like the iPhone camera,
and the field didn't say that, meaning that the phone
didn't take the picture. So it was it was edited.

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
Oh okay, right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
So was Amber heard in this I don't recall was
did it appear that she or her attorneys were trying
to shift time or shift the narrative to fit their story,
or just it simply was, hey, we can't verify this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
From from my understanding, amberhard submitted photos of like this abuse,
like bruises and stuff on my face, and what the defense,
the defense forensics expert said was I can't authenticate these
photos because they have been altered outside of the phone,
because the metadata didn't match what it was supposed to say.

(01:18:31):
But Amber's response to that was while I lost my phones.
I lose my phones all the time, asked my sister
or something like that. Okay, so it's such a messy trial.
It really was, and it was a while ago, but
that's but that's That's how it works though, So if
you take a photo on your phone, you can do
it right now. Take a photo on your phone, open
it up in your gallery and hit the little if

(01:18:52):
you if you have an Apple iPhone, hit the little
eye button, like the little information button. It was like
a little eye with like a circle around it. I
think that you And from there you can view a
lot of the metadata on that photo. Now, when you
send it to somebody, like say, I send it to
Courtney and she opens it up in Photoshop and you know,
puts a bruise on my face and then sends it
back to me and I save it to my gallery.

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The software field right in the metadata is not going
to match your other the actual pictures you took with
your phone. It's going to be different.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
So you can tell if it's going to tell kind
of filtered or changed in any way shape or form.
So and then you know, if somebody sends you a
photo and they're like, hey, I'm here, sorry I couldn't
join you for dinner tonight, and then you look at
the metadata and it's from you know, three and a
half weeks ago, you know, liar liar pants on power to.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Get around that. To get around that ask, take go
to your gallery, find a picture view on that Hawaiian trip.
All right, screenshot it, send that because it won't have
the metadata on.

Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
This, so clears it away.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
So right, okay, So anyway, that's the great question, though,
work around. I'm glad we cleared.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
By the way, I just saw Amber heard some photographs
of her looking very happy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
She's a mother. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
I think she's living in a different country, of course,
if I'm not mistaken, I think she moved to a
different country and started anew and had a little family
of her own. And of course Johnny Depp is back
to it acting and money. She had to be excommunicated
from the world and he gets his career.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
But Sam coming.

Speaker 6 (01:20:35):
Sam is saying Spain.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
So thank you, happy and healthy and was making a
turkey for her family.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Oh she is a turkey, so good for her. It's
pretty turkey though. She's very beautiful. I hope that helped.
I hope that I'm doing that for memory. So I
got some of the details incorrect.

Speaker 7 (01:20:57):
But yeah, that tip for me is like, if I
ever want to say, oh, look here's the picture with me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Listen every time Tamas sends me a photo. Now I'm
going to be looking at that. Yeah, I had a
girlfriend And this happens very regularly. That the guy was like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Have a girlfriend who was supposed to bet on a
date with somebody. I forget the total details, but he
was basically veiling saying, oh, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
So sorry, I'm with my kids. We had an emergency.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
And then she looked at the metadata and oh yeah,
it was from like two and a half months prior.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
My favorites with the text and it's it's a live photo.
Do you know what those are?

Speaker 6 (01:21:33):
Oh yeah, I'm in.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
I'm in a reddit subreddit that talks about live photos,
and it's like it's like live photo goofs or something
like that, and it's like a bunch of mistakes people
have made with I photos, like like your friend like,
oh I can't come, I'm there's an emergency, and you know,
the girl clicks the photo so it plays for like
those three or four seconds. Yeah, and there's like a
woman with him. Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
Those Oh no, yeah, do you have strong I pronounce
it and correctly Snden Shoden Frowden, Yes, yeah, by you,
I had of it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
I'm always like that could be you were making a
face like you had something to report on the Amber
Heard situation.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Okay, I didn't have anything to report, but the face
I made was that I remembered that her and Elon
Musk used to get it on, and that just I
was like, oh my god, that's a strange piece of
information I'd forgotten.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Yeah, she's an interesting backstory if I remember, like, she
left home very very very early, she was like fifteen
or something and to be an actress.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
And yeah, she was with very.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Very very powerful, influential men and you know, potentially very
drug fueled.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
I think by that particular trial it seemed to be
the case.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
And it kind of makes me feel.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
For her a little bit, like, well, you got a
little way word there in the early days, and you
can see how that can catch up with you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
And it did.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
So all I would say, she looked very healthy, and
it seemed to be enjoying Spanish living.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
Yeah, it's not to enjoy shinen frauda. And I'm sure
someone will correct me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
I'd be super strong, like I'm not like, I don't
love when people are suffering or noting like.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
This, No, I know, but what it is is I
I love the It's such a particular emotion. It's when
you get pleasure from someone's misfortune that they caused themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
They caused them It's always like when I say, you know, may.

Speaker 6 (01:23:38):
You reput yourself right?

Speaker 7 (01:23:39):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
So I believe I'm not like sitting there like look
at this guy. I know, you know, an example, I'm
not twisting my mustache.

Speaker 6 (01:23:51):
The other night.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
An example like just what body just.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
Said of the the sub breddit of and someone trying
to cover up but in the live photo you see
there's actually a mistress and they get hot.

Speaker 6 (01:24:09):
Well yeah, okay, but.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
It's like that bit of delight if you get it.
That's I just find like people stupidity interesting more than anything,
do you know what I mean? Like Wow, what a dummy?
You know what I mean? Like what a dumb of
that kind of stuff? Like I joined all those am
I dating the same guy? Facebook groups like in every
city just to read like the things that people try

(01:24:34):
to get away with. I don't know, I just find
it interested. What did they try to get away with those?
Oh god, all so many light there's so like it's
so funny. People post a picture they'll be like this
is Andy does anybody have any tea on him. We
just started dating like three weeks ago, and I'm starting
to get feelings and like, just from the picture alone,
I can say I can tell you it's going to
be like a show with problem do you know what

(01:24:56):
I mean?

Speaker 7 (01:24:56):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
And I just like reading them like girls stay Away,
and I just I love like the women empowerment in
those groups because they're like sweetheart, No, no, no, no,
he's bad news. I dated him three years ago, like
he gave me a STV And just anyway, I love
those groups that are hilarious.

Speaker 6 (01:25:14):
Wow, funny.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
I love them anyway. I'm talking way too much.

Speaker 6 (01:25:20):
No, you're not well? Do you want to do? We
have time for another talk? Do you want to throw?
Let's see what Adam has for us?

Speaker 10 (01:25:27):
Hi, ladies in Taha. This is Liz originally from Michigan.
Now I live in Washington State. I haven't called in
since sometime this summer, but I finally decided that I
had to weigh in on this whole past food burger.

Speaker 6 (01:25:38):
Idea Boddy, I'm a little disappointed. Being from the Midwest.

Speaker 10 (01:25:41):
Everybody knows that the real best burger is Culver's Butterburger.
I know I'm from Michigan and it's from Wisconsin, but
having been to many, many, many states all over the country,
there is absolutely nothing that compares to a Culver's butterburger.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
Is listen, Okay, I'm from Detroit. I have never even
heard of Culver's. Culver's Burger is never heard of it,
but I want immediately body is rolling up her sleeves.
Was no, I'm kidding, I'm joking. I joking, but no,
I never even heard of it. Is this something that

(01:26:16):
maybe popped up? I left Michigan when I was ten, Okay,
so this was I left Michigan in nineteen eighty four,
so it might not have been around when I was there.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:29):
I went to californ when. Am I mistaken? But it
might be more of like a Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Oh, Illinois, they probably know what's up with a really
good burger.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
I mean mid the best word is so delicious. Listen,
give me a castle roll any day, like your Midwestern
castle role.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
Oh yeah too, I love me on road trips or
like around Colorado. I'm trying to My geography is absolutely horrible.
If I did not literally cheat, this is one of
the only things I ever remember cheating on But it
was a I couldn't get the fifty states on a map,
and I was like, I will never graduate middle.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
School, and so I cheated anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Yeah, I was on a road trip somewhere forgiven, thank you,
And for several states at gas stations they would have
cheese refrigerators.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
Just at gas stations. Can anyone picture what I'm talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
It sounds made of it is made of cheese.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
No, it would be these little I'm doing about two
feet by a foot and a half. It's a fridge
and you open it and it's packaged cheese and you
just take yes, well kind of cheese, delicious.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Like spiced cheese, and me like like a cheese just
sitting there.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Yes, yes, I'm not okay for tomorrow. That is my
homework for tonight. I'm going to send you guys pictures
because the.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
United States of America is such an interesting country because
state to state is like a different country, like state
is its own little culture, like language accents, dialect like
I have never heard of a cheese fridge.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
More gas stations when you can make your own like
not slushies, but milkshakes, and you press a couple of buttons.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Actually, I've seen those in Vegas. Actually, yeah, it sounds
like at but it's like a it's like a name brand.
It's like a name brand and you just stick a
cuppet and you press like Oreo vanilla, yeah, chocolate syrup,
and it just goes like yeah, and you've got like
a like a blizzard kind of style.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Vote that sounds pretty delicious. Can we just get back to.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Americans just love their self serve? Can we get back?

Speaker 6 (01:28:52):
Don't?

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Dolop is so delicious. I don't know what dole whip is.
If you've never been to Disneyland.

Speaker 6 (01:29:00):
It's like the pineapple.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
It's a pineapple soft serve. Oh okay, it's delicious. It's
like like the dairy queen. Can get the O l E. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
And speaking of Dole, I remember one other thing today,
what which is actually Dell? We found a good billionaire,
the Dell family days the billion dollars or six billion
plus dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
And it's four percent of his total network. They're going
to give two hundred and fifty dollars to students, I
think for college education starting uppers, like a bunch of kids. Yes, wow,
it's like four percent of their total net worth. And
by the way, today on the countdown, Stephanie, we're on

(01:29:48):
the clock. We have seventeen days.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Seventy seventeen days till the release of the Epstein Files.

Speaker 6 (01:29:55):
Crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
I wanted to get that in reaction from Courtney Armstrong.
She did. She was that was huge.

Speaker 6 (01:30:03):
Yeah, that wasn't an eye roll.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
That was actually an exacerbated look. Yeah, you've seemed upset.
You're like you should like what just happened? What went
through your mind? Are you still your bad was to Christmas?

Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
I was like, yes, I literally grabbed any No, I
knew it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
That was like that was not the reaction that but that.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
Was it was she really is I know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
I was like, wow, Corney, are you okay? I finally
got through to her.

Speaker 6 (01:30:39):
She's on my team.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
There's how many days till Christmas? What do you are
you stressed about Christmas? Courtney? I'm strong, not anymore since
there's a little more time then.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
But I thought body was counting down.

Speaker 6 (01:30:55):
The same as everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Seventeen days on the Epstein.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Clock, seventeen days on the X clock, and twenty three
I think on the Christmas clock. Yeah, twenty two, and
when does Hankah start and any of the holidays we
should be celebrating a single one, and yeah, no stress,
it's about don't get stressed over the holidays.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
Let's just kind of breathe in, breathe out.

Speaker 6 (01:31:20):
Everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Thank you for spending your Tuesday night with us. We
will of course be back tomorrow. We will have Jared
Farantino with us, our very favorite prosecutor, to answer any
real legal questions, so you could always leave us talk
backs overnight as well, and we've been stacking them up
all week.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
So have a great rest of your night and stay
safe out there.

Speaker 6 (01:31:40):
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