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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
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Crime Tonight on Facebook. It is Wednesday, July ninth, and
we have a stacked night a headlines. We're exploring the

(01:00):
urban case of the Golden State Killer, covering a shocking
murder that shook up the picture perfect Connecticut suburbs. Later
in the show, we'll be discussing the mysterious death of
LGBTQ icon Marcia P. Johnson, plus new information about Barry
Morphew's secret double life, and we'll be getting into why
the Tiger King star you know and may or may

(01:20):
not love, is facing jail time.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
So listen.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I know we teased an episode today with Lisa Bryant,
the fabulous director of the Filthy Rich series on Jeffrey Epstein.
That was something Stephanie was not going to miss. So
we will have all of that on Sunday's episode. But
right now we actually have a talk back about Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Hey, this is Chase, huge fan of the show. My
question is, how is the general public supposed to get
this new found information that apparently there is no master
list of all the names and associates of Epstein after
we were told that there was, How are we supposed
to go from that and all of the hype that

(02:00):
all these documentaries and various shows built, and now all
of a sudden we're supposed to believe that there's nothing left.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
How do we take that?

Speaker 3 (02:07):
That's a really good question, Chase, thank you for the talkback.
I listen, Like I was saying last night, I feel
like we're being gas lit that you know, we were
told this all these many many years, that you know,
this Epstein list was going to be released, and you know,
I think a lot of people even based their presidential
vote on this, because some people take this stuff like
this is their entire life, you know, just Epstein stuff.

(02:29):
And so where are we supposed to go from here
with that? I I have a feeling that there's going
to be a whistleblower of some kind, or there's going
to be a document leak, There's going to be something
like that coming from some you know, masked person that
releases this stuff. But I think it's going to be
really important to be careful on what you believe too
because of that. Right like, somebody could be creating a

(02:51):
document right now, you know, in Google documents right now
and saying it as a PDF and making it look
like the client list. So I think there's going to
be a lot of those kinds of hoax kind of
thing coming out, like, oh, they said there wasn't a
client list, but look at this, here it is, but
it's not real. And then there's going to be also
a real one in the middle of those. I think
that's what's going to happen. I think that's actually a
great insight. I hadn't even.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Thought of about the fact that for sure people are
out there creating hoaxes. My mind didn't go that step ahead.
But Chase, I don't know where to go with it either.
And also, you know, I think, body, you're right that
maybe at some point there will be some whistleblower, there
will be some list or something, but I don't know
to what end. You know, Jeffrey Ebstein, he was with

(03:35):
the Creme de la creme, leaders of many foreign states
around the world. So who has this list? Like, what
is the top? If there is some top above Ebstein?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
So or was he the top? Or was he the top?

Speaker 6 (03:49):
And there if you believe Stephanie, If you believe Stephanie's theory,
you know, Jeffrey Ebstein was kind of working for somebody
to get dirt on these political elites, right to dirt
on them so that they could be blackmail to maybe
vote for a bill or you know, vote down a bill.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
You know, so who knows, you know what Lisa is
going to be on the show on Sunday. She directed
Filthy Rich series, which covers like Epstein and Glene Maxwell.
So maybe she'll have some insight Chase. So stay tuned
for Sunday.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Stay tuned in the meantime, Body, what is going on
in the headlines.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Well, this is actually really this is really sad. So
the family of Idaho stabbing victim Kaylee Gunsoalves reveal why
they are returning eighty five thousand dollars from the GoFundMe
drive the head So, as you guys know, the trial
of Brian Coberger has been canceled because of course he
plaged guilty, so there's not going to be a trial now. Well,

(04:45):
you know, the victims, the families of the victims, they
live far away from where this trial was going to
be held. So they've been raising money on go fundme
to be able to you know, get an airbnb for
three months. You know, they still got to pay their
bills at home while not working because they're traveling. So
it's it's a significant cost. And the Kaylee's mom and

(05:06):
dad raised eighty five thousand dollars from GoFundMe and now
they said that they want to be transparent and return
that money. The issue is that you know, the money's
already been deposited to their bank account, like how do
they refund? So there's technical problems involved. It's listen, if
it were up to me, they'd keep it. They would
just keep it. I have to say. I mean you

(05:26):
mentioned time off of work. How do you work? How
do you function? Function?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
How do you go back to any semblance of normalcy
after your child has been murdered?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Right?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Like just the financial hit taking out of it what
was going to be the unsurmountable cost of travel and
being put up in a hotel. So right, listen, I
give it to you the Gounsolvest family for CHR too.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
I do too. And you know they they basically said
that they want to be transparent. They don't want to
mislead the public who donated and support. You know, they
don't want to. I think there. I think it's really
noble of them to be like, yeah, we're we were,
We're definitely gonna be refunding this money I donated. Personally,
I would rather keep it, like saying good, I mean
I only donated one hundred dollars, but keep it. I

(06:08):
would rather you guys keep it, because not only I
mean this was a crushing blow to them. Now some
of the families are okay with the plea, right, but
for them, they are very upset by this plea. They
wanted this trial right. So if it helps them, you
not have to deal with this, I'm saying, to keep it.
That's just me. Yeah, you know, I don't know. It's
just really sad. You're listening to True Crime tonight in iHeartRadio.

(06:31):
I'm body moving and I'm here with Courtney Armstrong and
we're just going over the top headlines in the true
crime universe. Give us a call at eighty eight thirty
one crime or tell us your thoughts on the iHeartRadio app.
What do you have, Courtney?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
So this is a little bit of good news, although
I feel like I always say we have some good
news and then it turns horrible.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Because I always turn it horrible. I always said, it's
always me. I always go, oh my god. But what
about the worst thing in the world that could happen?
Is it not bad to have a chicken?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Little it in the mix? Sometimes the sky is falling.
But in this case, the Minnesota State Senator John Hoffman.
He was the man who was shot nine times allegedly
by Vance Bolter, who was posing as a police officer. Well,
he has finally left the hospital and is now recovering
in a transitional care unit. In a statement from his family,

(07:22):
they said John has been moved to a rehab facility
but still has a long road to recovery ahead. But listen,
it's a minor miracle. Even though they had to go
through such tragedy, such senseless tragedy, both he and his
wife Yvette, of being shot many times by a madman.
He is recovering. So listen, let's take the win and

(07:43):
we will be staying tuned. This won't be for a while,
but the alleged shooter, Vance Bolter, he faces six federal
charges that include murder, firearms, and stalking. He could be
eligible for the death penalty. We'll see how it plays out,
but in the meantime, we are sending really wishes to
Senator John Hoffman.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
I saw the story on x I think was yesterday
of him in the hospital. Looks like he was carrying something.
He was standing, I mean he I couldn't believe it.
He was standing like walking. Just I think imagine being
shot that many times, like less than a month ago.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Right, Yes, it's impossible. And his wife was also I
believe she was shot eight times.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I think so. Yeah, I think so, And I believe
she like it From what I remember, I believe she
like ran to her children or child and like covered
them up with her body, like I mean there.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, their adult daughter named Hope, what a name. Okay,
she was there, she wasn't injured, and she did call
nine one one, and I imagine Hope's quick response had
something to do with both of her parents.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Thank god she was there on the road. Thank god
she was there, because if she wasn't there, I wonder
if they would be here today. Because if you're shot,
can you reach for your phone? Can you even speak?
I guess it depends on what your shot. If you're
shot in the lungs, it's going to be hard to talk.
Where O where your phone is? All of the above,
Oh my god. Yeah, But I'm really glad that that
they were able to recover and get released. That's incredible,

(09:14):
And we got to get get back into this. Did
have They never released a motive or we don't know
why he shot these people? We know nothing. It feels
like the story kind of died a little bit, at
least from my perspective.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, I think you're right, because there was there was
a few days of a little mayhem in the news
and the pictures of this alleged suspect Vance Bolter in
that creepy mass going up to the door.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Oh my god, that's right. He had that weird plastic
it's one of those masks that go over your whole head.
And he looked like Uncle Fester, we're precarious. Yeah, it's
so terrifying.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
And then yeah, it was really just bits and pieces,
but we'll see what happens. And there was also one
of your favorite words, so with some semblance of a
light manifesto if I'm remembering.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, But my understanding it was it wasn't really a
manifesto so much as it was a notebook like with
notes of things to do, kind of like you know,
a list, like a checklist. And it also had things
like it had a list of politicians' names on them.
It also had like websites to use to do background checks,
like ben Verified, Spochio like lists so that he could

(10:26):
find out where these politicians lived. So listen, remove your
remove your information from those websites. You can go to
those websites been verified, for instance, and remove your information
so that you cannot be searched. I cannot recommend that enough.
Scrub your name from the Internet.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
And if you haven't looked yourself up on these websites,
you will be shocked. It will likely have your age, right,
your profession, it will have some of your I was
going to say, accomplishes, acquaintances, family members. I mean, so
much personal information that is dangerous in so many potential ways,

(11:02):
not just physically at all. But fine, you know what's
interesting about you know what's interesting. It's kind of I mean,
it's bitter sweet. But the other Congressman that got Senator
that got shot, the woe that passed away. Yes, their
dog was buried with them and they lay in State.
It's the first dog ever to be buried at State.
I think that's so sweet and so sad, but very sweet.

(11:24):
They announced it at one of the baseball games and
everyone in the audience was teary eyed.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
I just thought that was I don't know, it's sad
but also uplifting in a way that you know their
beloved or dog is with them. Yeah, that's right. Well,
coming up, we're going to be diving into the infamous
Golden State Killer stick around for that, and in the
second hour, we'll be sharing the story of Marcia P. Johnson,
whose suspicious death rocked the LGBTQ community. Stay right here,
True Grime to that. This is True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio,

(12:03):
where we talk true crime all the time. Coming up
in this segment, we have some updates, updates on Barry Morphew,
who was re arrested for the murder of his wife Suzanne.
What has he been up to? He was kind of
a ladies man. We're going to get into that, and
the Tiger King roars back into the news with one
of the stars facing new jail time. But now we're

(12:23):
going to explore the story of one of the most
infamous serial killers America has ever seen in the past
fifty years, the Golden State Killer.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
So body, I know you are encyclopedic on many, if
not most, serial killers, but I have to admit this,
this came really late into my purview and it wasn't
until watching the HBO doc that I know you love
the HBO doc I'll Be Gone in the Dark, which
was told from the perspective of true crime author Michelle

(12:54):
McNamara a force of nature.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
OHM. But that was really my first introduct So what
do we all need to know? Well, first of all,
you need to know and you probably already know this,
but Michelle McNamara was an amazing true crime well she
was really a journalist. She was incredible and honestly, she
was one of the first true crime like bloggers I
ever followed. And from a personal perspective, she was kind

(13:17):
of like a mentor to me. I didn't know that. Yeah,
well no, not personally, because I didn't know her. I
mean I looked up to her. She was kind of
like an idol to me. I worked with Billy Jensen
on a Rolling Stone article talking about Luca for the
first time, and Billy Jensen co wrote. He helped finish
the book for her when she passed, and he had

(13:39):
mentioned Billy Jensen mentioned myself to Michelle, and Michelle was like, oh,
I know, I know who she is. And when he
told me, I cried, Oh because that's how important, Like
that's how much I looked up to her. AnyWho personal story,
But yeah, So she was kind of obsessed with the
Golden State Killer and this was prior of course to
his arrest in his identity, and she really was diving

(14:03):
in in this documentary on HBO, as you mentioned, is incredible.
I recommend it to everybody. But moving on Golden State Killer.
He used to be called ear Ons and that stood
for East Area Rapists because he started out as a rapist,
and then he was also referred to as Original night Stalker,
So ear Ons that's where that comes from. And then

(14:25):
you know, of course rich Ramirez in the eighties was
the night Stalker.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I was gonna say, I didn't I knew Richard Ramirez
as the night Stalker, but this guy had that moniker first.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yes, But the thing is is that they initially they
believed the East Area Rapist and the Original night Stalker
were two separate people. They thought, so there was the
East Area Rapist and the Original Nightstalker, but it was
really the same person. So he became the Golden State
Killer because he killed throughout California, the northern in Northern
California and southern California. So just a little kind of

(15:00):
succinct history on that. So he was behind a series
of rapes and murders across California in the seventies and eighties.
Decades and decades passed before a suspect was identified in
twenty eighteen. So the suspect that was identified was identified
through genetic genealogy. And we were going to bring this
up prior to the Coburger trial so that we could

(15:21):
get into IgG. Right, this is why we were talking
about it. But you know, the trial has been scrapped,
but we still think it's interesting and we want to, like,
we want everybody to understand what IgG is for maybe
cases that are coming. So I was like, let's still
cover this. So that's why we're here.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
So the Golden State Killer or the Man of Many Names,
it's Joseph DiAngelo, right, and he was a police officer.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Right, Yep, he was a police officer. Man, there's so much.
There's so much to this. So from nineteen seventy three
to nineteen seventy six he was a police officer in Exeter, California,
so he was actually a cop. September eleventh, while serving
as that police officer, he's shot and killed Professor Claude
Snelling in front of his daughter at his Visalia, California home.

(16:06):
He kicked the daughter three times in the face and
then fled. So while he was a cop, he was
doing these things.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
And okay, so this was oh my gosh, this obviously
wasn't in the line of duty. This was just a
thing he did as an officer. He just assaulted this
man and his daughter.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Right. He was also a police officer in Auburn, California,
from nineteen seventy six to nineteen seventy nine, and he
was fired for allegedly stealing a hammer and a can
of dog repellent. He was a cop. He started out
like burglarizing and raping people. And not only not only
raping women, but he was terrorizing them, like if your

(16:43):
husband was home, he would do everything in front of
the husband.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Oh so torture, torture the wife, and make the husband
watch to have its own Okay.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Right, right, okay, So he was just a really evil guy,
I mean one hundred percent. So he would break into
a victims' homes by prying open a window or door
while they slept. Sometimes he would take jewelry, id cards, cash,
you know whatever, like mementos from his victims. From nineteen
seventy eight to nineteen eighty one, the Golden State Killer

(17:15):
shot and killed Brian and Katie Magor, who were walking
their dog in the Sacramento area. After Brian was shot,
Katie ran and yelled for help, but Joseph DiAngelo caught
up to her and shot her in the head. The
brogaries continued in the East Bay area of northern California
and then escalated to rape. So he started out robbing people,

(17:36):
then he went to rapes, and then he started actually
straight up murdering people. But this is so interesting.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I mean, a progression is kind of a normal thing
that we sadly see many times in violent perpetrators. But
what you're describing is, you know the fact that he
had men and women and different ages as victims. That
is not that common usually. Yeah, most killers have a

(18:03):
type they do. You're listening to True crime tonight on iHeartRadio.
I'm Courtney Armstrong here with data analysts Body move in.
We're talking about the Golden Steak killer, and we want
you to weigh in. Did you know this guy had
three names before we actually found out who he was.
Join our conversation, but yeah, that just seems very rare.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
It is pretty rare. So now I kind of want
to talk about how he was caught because how he
was caught is so interesting. Do you know, do you
know Paul Holes, right, yes, but of course yes, but
not everybody does. So okay, So Paul Holes is like
kind of well, first of all, he's dreamy. Okay. Second
of all, every true crime girl he thinks he's dreamy. So,

(18:44):
second of all, he's really famous criminalist. He has worked
on the Golden State Killer officially through law enforcement, and
he wrote a book on this, and you can you
can read his book. I can't remember the name of
it now, and now I feel stupid for mentioning it,
but we'll call it out later. Yeah, we can call
it later. If you want to know more about this,
I definitely recommend it. So how he was identified, So,

(19:05):
first of all, his last crime was in nineteen eighty six, okay,
you killer, he went dormant, which everyone kind of thought
he died, right, that would be the logical conclusion. But
Paul Holes really never gave up, and neither did Michelle McNamara.
And they worked together on this, by the way, which
is interesting because like she's a citizen, she's not like
a cop. Michelle wasn't a cop. She's like me, she's
just you know, person. So he became the first public

(19:29):
arrest obtained through genetic genealogy. So what they did, and
CC Moore talks about this too. She's a really famous
DNA expert. Every well, you know, true crime people know
who CC Moore is, But if you don't, that's who
she is. She's a really famous DNA person. Well, what
they did was they had DNA from one of the
victims from obviously the crimes, and they ran it through

(19:52):
the public you know, the private for profit DNA sequencing
websites like Ancestry family Match, you know those jed match
those websites, and they found like distant cousins of the
Golden State killer, and then they built family trees and
then they started narrowing it down like this person because
we have his DNA, this person likely has blue eyes,

(20:15):
this person likely has a lisp. You know that's not
what just came up in your genetic makeups. Yeah, and
so they were able to narrow it down to Joseph
Dan and then they got trash just like with Brian Coberger,
and the DNA matched. So this was the first case
ever solved with genetic genealogy, and it was controversial at

(20:37):
the time.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Just like Brian Coberger, I was gonna say it's controversial
at this time. There have In our podcast the Idaho Massacre,
we did an entire segment with experts on you know,
the IgG, the genetic genealogy and do people have a
right to do it? But all these years later, like,
what is your thought on that? By the way, I

(20:59):
actually I think it's I'll give you mine. I think
if I put my DNA on whatever site and on
purpose or inadvertently check the box which people do of
saying okay, go ahead and use my information for whatever
you want, people are going to go ahead and use
the information for whatever they want.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Right. So my issue is, like say my third cousin
killed people. My issue comes into play when my real
name ends up in a court document because they used
my DNA to identify my third cousin or whatever. So
now I'm part of the public record that you know,
body moving is related to this person and that's how

(21:42):
we found you know, her third cousin. That's my only issue.
That's because our point, because that was one of the
problems with you know, Brian Coberger, is that the state
didn't or the FBI didn't want to, you know, invade
the privacy of the people of Brian Coberger's relatives, and
that's what would happen because it becomes part of the
public record. And I think that's the only, my only

(22:04):
real issue. But honestly, if it's for the greater good,
which it feels like it is, then I think you
know it's okay, but I do think it's a slippery slope.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, and many people feel differently than you. And I, oh,
absolutely hear too agree on this issue, but many many
people do not, And just think absolutely and I should
not be responsible for potentially revealing all the crime cousin.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yes, right, but if your DNA can help solve like
a horrible case, wouldn't you want it to I do?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I would No, I totally agree, and we want to
know what do you think should happen with your DNA.
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(23:25):
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Speaker 5 (23:45):
Okay, So I watched the Bonnie Woodward documentary and something
I never really understood was the I want to say convicted,
but maybe I'll say alleged because he's appealing it. But
the killer's motive because he told his wife, I have
killed for you. But it just didn't seem like killing
Bonnie was for his wife in any way. It seems

(24:06):
like if anyone, if it was for anyone, it was
for Heather or his son. I don't know if it's
just something he said in the heat of the moment.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, now, we kind of were wondering the same thing, like,
why did he say I've killed for you to his wife?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
That's a great question. And this is about a case
we talked about last night. A woman named Bonnie Woodward.
She went missing from her family, and after an incredibly
convoluted investigation, it was found that a man named Roger Carroll, who,
as the talk packer mentioned, is appealing the case, but

(24:42):
he was found guilty of murder.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
So Roger Carroll.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Was a man who had been sort of housing the
missing woman, Bonnie Woodward's seventeen year old daughter named Heather.
So those are the names that Paula was talking about.
And the subject of the doc was I've killed for you.
And this came out after the murderer, Roger Carol, had
a domestic violence incident with his wife and he said

(25:07):
those words.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
So Heather is the stepdaughter of Bonnie, the victim, right, correct.
Heather goes missing and they, you know, the parents call
the police. Correct. Then a week later, Bonnie goes missing. Right,
Oh my gosh, we have two missing people now, right, Well,
Bonnie dies or I'm sorry, Bonnie goes missing, and then
all of a sudden, Heather shows up. Right, yes, And

(25:30):
it's like, Okay, where the heck have you been, And
she's like, well, I've been staying with my boyfriend and
his parents, right.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
The boy who was a friend, the boy and his parents.
The father parents is ultimately Roger Carroll and his wife.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yes. In the meantime, Heather, the stepdaughter, is telling the
police that Bonnie was very cruel to her and and whatnot.
So it's almost like the parents of the boy she
was staying with believed her and for whatever reason, the father,
Roger Carroll killed her. Because there's no connection to Bonnie

(26:04):
and Roger, So why would he say I killed for
you to his wife in this middle of this domestic dispute.
It's very very strange, And I think the talkback was
really great in her observation of that, because, yeah, why
did he say that to his wife? There's no connection?
Yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's a stute and I had the same I couldn't
figure out the question. I just think perhaps this man,
Roger Carroll, simply snapped, which I think you have to
have snapped, because the way in which he murdered this
poor woman, Bonnie Woodward, was he first shot her and
then to get rid of her body lit a fire

(26:44):
he lived on a really big property, lit a huge,
low burning fire that he and his sixteen year old
son had to watch and rake the fire to keep
it going for a day and a night to get
rid of the remains. So this man not only killed
a woman who, to everyone's knowledge, never did a bad
thing to him or his family, but then brought his

(27:06):
sixteen year old son into it. What kind of psychological
damage are you're doing there? It's implausible? Wow, So anyway,
I think he snapped. We can't figure out what the
heck the connection was and why he said that to his.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Wife either, Yeah, we don't know either. A good question. No,
A very interesting no answer. Right. Well, speaking of sixteen
year olds, Rall Valley has been acquitted of the murder
and all the major charges in the stabbing death of
seventeen year old James mccrath. The jury was deadlocked for
ten lesser charges, resulting in a mistrial for those counts.
They were deliberating for six days. This verdict came out today.

(27:42):
So if you don't know the story, Ral is accused
of stabbing James. They're both underage. Rawl was sixteen, James
was seventeen and James was a Connecticut prep school across player.
And this all happened in March of twenty twenty two,
and he's been found not guilty on murder and in
intentional manslaughter. He was also acquitted a first and second

(28:04):
degree intentional assault. The jury was deadlocked, as I mentioned,
on the first degree reckless manslaughter and first and second
degree reckless assault. Judge Murphy, who presided over the trial,
declared a mistrial on those deadlock charges. So this is
all breaking news as of today.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
And also, by the way, how many mistrials and deadlock jurors.
I know, it's really the summer of Towerry Jerry's.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Really, I mean truly. So what happened?

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yea?

Speaker 3 (28:32):
What is what is the story? Right? Well, the story
is is that they were you know, you're in high
school and you go to parties and whatnot. Well Raoul
tanded Saint Joseph High School in this is all in
Connecticut and McGrath the victim was a junior and Roll
was a sophomore, and they were all at a party
and a fight broke out. Okay, well it happens, Okay, Well,

(28:57):
then it continued over like a group text, and everybody
went to another party. Well, when they went to the
other party, Raoul brought a knife.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Okay, Oh my gosh, you're listening to true crime tonight.
We're talking true crime all the time. I'm Courtney Armstrong
here with Body Moven, and we are talking about a
verdict that just came out today. If you went away
in with your thoughts, give us a call. We're at
eighty eight three one crime or hit us on the
talkbacks with the message.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
So body.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
So, it's a fight that started at a party many times,
and then it escalated.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
It escalated at another separate party. Okay, so at one
point they go to the second party, and at one
point there's about twenty five people engaged in this like
physical altercation at this point. So it rose to the
level of physical altercation. And I remember these are sixteen
and seventeen year olds who have been drinking and out
of control, right, yeah, I remember what I was like,

(29:51):
Oh my gosh, I'm surprised I didn't die twelve times.
So there's about twenty five people engaged in this fight.
And Raoul, who brought the knife, is literally kind of
like flailing this knife around. Hm. He injured multiple people. Well,
one of the people he injured was our victim, James,
and he died as a result. The knife punctured his

(30:14):
heart and he bled out into his lungs. It's really really.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Sad and how needless and what a waste of several
young lives, obviously not just James McGrath who lost his life.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
But also to know the accused or right, I guess,
so he quitted. Yeah, he testified on his own behalf,
which is pretty rare, right, So he got up on
the stand and there was pretty emotional testimony. He said
he never intended to kill anyone. He said a friend
handed him the knife during a large fight. I also
read that he brought the knife to the fight. I'm

(30:48):
not sure which is true. He said a friend handed
him the knife during this fight involving you know, dozens,
like I said, twenty five different teenagers who surrounded him.
He said that he felt overwhelmed and scared. He let
said it with self defense, and he alleged that at
one point during the fight he lost consciousness. Like you
know how he kind of joke around sometimes I just
blacked out. I don't know what I's right, It's like
that's kind of what happened to him, and it was

(31:10):
he was pretty emotional on the stand, and he further
said he was just kind of like swinging this knife
in all directions just to like in self defense. So,
you know, and I think the jury, you know, bought it.
I mean, and I don't. I don't have any reason
to not think he's not telling the truth. But you know,
in the heat of the moment, it was an accident,
he says, and he was self defending.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
And this goes back to so many of the cases
we've been talking about recently in terms of what people
are being charged with and if they are being overcharged
or charged. This teenager Royal Valley, you know, he was
acquitted of murder, but where were the other charges? Because
even the what what you've been describing and what he

(31:51):
said on the stand, it does seem you know, I
don't I don't know what the correct charge would be, manslaughter, accident.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Involuntary, right, you know, but it yeah, it just seems
like prosecutors because they're the ones who levy the charges
against the defendants, right, And it feels like maybe this
tough on crime, you know stance that you know, we
have right now which is pretty severe, is just maybe
going a little bit too far, and the jury's not

(32:17):
you know, the jury is supposed to be the average American, right,
and I think the average American is just like come on,
you know, like this is just too much. They're not
putting up with this anymore. Now. Obviously nobody wants to
be soft on crime. I mean, certainly, but this was
a fight that just got out of hand. Now the
father of James is of course, you know, the victim
is very disappointed, but he did say that he thinks

(32:39):
he's just in shock and he doesn't really have a
reaction right now. Again, this just happened today, right, so
he still needs to kind of come to terms with
being in our heart goes out to him. I do
believe that they that role was overcharged.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
He was overcharged, and you know, it kind of goes
an in an effort to be tough on crime. And
you know, if you do agree it's an overcharge, it
really ends in a miscarriage of justice because if the
jury is overcorrecting for what they see is an overcharge,
then people who did do a bad thing right walk

(33:13):
free versus have maybe the punishment that would have fit
the actual crime that was perpetrated, and right now we
have a talk back.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Hi.

Speaker 7 (33:23):
Everyone, I wanted to say that I love the show.
I was listening to Tuesday Nights episode and I love
how Courtney always mispronounces the accused name. She said it
like three different ways, like Farley Farlin in another way
she did it in another episode as well. Also, can
we please have a T shirt that says allegedly allegedly
allegedly because I love what Stephanie says that thanks, guys,

(33:45):
have a great day.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
I love you. First of all, Courtney's face is like
bright red, right, you could see face. Listen, this is hard.
This is like hard because you know you want to
be you want to get everything right right, like you
want to get every thing perfect. And the more you
want to get things perfect for me at least, the
more I mess it up, right, especially pronunciations of names.

(34:07):
It's hard sometimes it is.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
And listen the truth, the truth. I will take being
called out. I will do my best, which is all
any of us can do. But on the allegedly allegedly
allegedly from.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
First of all, I love that idea. Yes, so one thing,
our one thing, little little like inside baseball behind the scenes.
One thing our one thing our producer always says before
the show is because we're always getting nervous, right, You're
we're not used to being on the air live, right.
We're used to having like really you know, professionally edited content,
so being live is kind of new for us. Right.

(34:42):
So one thing our producer always says right before the
show starts is vibes, you know. And I don't know why,
but whenever I see him say that, it's just like, okay,
kind of calms me down. So maybe we could do
allegedly allegedly allegedly and like vibes or something like on
the back. That would be That would be the best
one ever. I love shirt designing. In my mind, I love
that idea.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Thank But I have to say, even Boddy, you mentioned
the editing and all of the above, right, and listen,
having done a lot of podcast with KT Studios, even
with the editing, and even when I'm very involved in
the editing, still things come out. Still, the mispronunciations, Listen,

(35:21):
people will mess it up allegedly.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
But I love that. I think it's a great I
would wear that shirt every day. Oh my gosh. We
really do have to do you know there's all kinds
of different like true crime people too, write Like there's
people who only focus on like raising awareness for missing people,
you know, like that that's their entire genre. Sometimes they

(35:45):
only focus on missing children. I follow many people on YouTube,
and you know, they'll only focus on one specific kind
of case, like murder. Like I I prefer to talk
this is crazy, but I prefer to talk about murders
where other people prefer to talk about like Stephanie, like
these these horrible, juicy albeit juicy like scandals with celebrities.

(36:08):
You know, there's just all kinds of things too, and
we've kind of come together, so it's kind of like
a hodgepodge and yeah, we're gonna we're gonna mispronounce things.
It's gonna happen, that's right.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
And also I am always appealed to by interpersonal relationships
behind crimes.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
That is kind of Oh is that what you mean?

Speaker 2 (36:27):
That's that is my most if I had to put
it into a bucket or on a T shirt. But listen,
keep the talkbacks coming later in the show. Seventeen year
old Sarah Grace Patrick has been arrested in charge on
suspicion that she murdered her mother and her stepfather. This
is a scandal about to happen. Give us a call.
We're at eighty eight three one crime. Do not forget

(36:50):
to keep it here? Sure rhymes and I this is
true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We are talking true crime
all the time. Body, I think you have something to

(37:10):
tell us about Barry Morphew. And it sounds like he
hasn't been behaving.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
No, he was not behaving while he was not on
the run but released from jail. So we've covered this
case before. But if you're not familiar, Barry Morphew is
accused for the second time of killing his wife, Suzanne
Morphew in twenty twenty. Well, he was recently re arrested.
So he was arrested in twenty twenty one, and he

(37:36):
was let go because there was some like prosecutorial misconduct.
But what it boiled down to is that they just
didn't have enough evidence to keep pressing, you know, keep
it going, so they released him without prejudice, which means
charges can be brought against him again because it was
never tried or found guilty or fund acquitted or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
And it was the messy it was without prejudice because
the attorney was so poorly behaved or poorly did the case.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Right, so they could they can re apply charges to
him when they deemed necessary, which they recently just did,
so they re arrested him. But he had moved from
Colorado to Arizona, and apparently while in Arizona he was
trying to be a bit of a lady's man. And
it's pretty interesting. So he lived about six hundred miles

(38:24):
away in the you know, in the middle of this investigation,
he moved to Cave Creek, Arizona, and residents knew that
Barry Murphy by a different name as he realized about
his life. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't go by his name,
which is very interesting and kind of new.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
So she vanished on Mother's Day. Oh sorry, go ahead,
I was gonna say it is new information. I certainly
didn't know it. But wouldn't you do the same thing.
Wouldn't anyone if if you'd been accused and then charges
were taken away and you were trying, and you had
been in the news and everyone knew what you were
are alleged to have done.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
I don't know I would change point, but I think
it was just I think it's just so heinous because
he actually, well he's not been he's not been convicted,
but in my mind he's guilty, right, you know what
I mean, Like he's already been like throw the way
to key. But yeah, you you bring up a good point.
Like if if if I was accused of something and
got released because they couldn't really find the evidence, I'd

(39:24):
be like, Okay, well now my name is Sabrina you
know or whatever. Fresh. Yeah, I'd probably do that, but
I would probably legally change my name. I would just
tell people my name is something different, you know what
I mean. I would probably legally change.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
But you're smart like that and think ahead Barry.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
One restaurant employee in Cave Creek said that he didn't
know Barry by his first name and thought he was
an entirely different person. Charlie LUTs. By the way, I
love that name, Charlie Lutz. He's the bar manager at
Harold's Cave Creek Coral Say that six times in a row.
Told Fox News Digital that Barry went by the name
Bruce and Loots. I'm gonna call him because I love that.

(40:01):
Lutz didn't know Barry's real name, Barry's real name until
June twentieth. He said he began seeing Barry or Bruce
as he knew him after the coronavirus pandemic. So, of course,
his wife was murdered in May of twenty twenty and
if you remember, that was the height of coronavirus, that
was the height of COVID, that was the height of
lockdowns and everything like that. So of course, after everything

(40:22):
was over, Barry moved to Arizona. He began, you know,
hanging out at the bars, and apparently his favorite drink
was beer, and he would switch between Miller Lite and
Coors Lights. And he was always approached by other women,
so women were also coming up to him at the bar.
He was a bit of a lady's man. Barry himself

(40:42):
would also approach other women, so it was reciprocal. Libby
another character here, Libby Spurl, said that she was one
of the women Barry flirt with at Harold's Cave Creek Corral.
She said that while she was there in March of
twenty twenty four, Barry asked if she wanted to dance.
He walked right up to me and he said, Hi,
do you want to dance and I said, you're Barry Morphew.

(41:04):
She recognized him immediately, She recognized him media and he said, no, no,
I think you have the wrong person. He denied it.
He denied it was him. A bit later she said,
an individual approached them both and introduced Barry as Lee Lee.
So now it's going by a couple of names.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
So I'm gonna pause on this real quick and not
to make too much like because I know this is
an alleged murderer we're speaking about, is for sure, but
tell me, this doesn't sound like the most quaint sort
of beach book that you would read. And just with
the Cave Creek Corral and Libby Spurrell and lutes and right, yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
A bit of a character bit of these bit of
characters are coming out. But yeah, so this individual who
approached them said that his name was Lee and he
was from Indiana. Now it's interesting because Barry is from Indiana.
So there were like half truths sprinkled throughout. And apparently
he went by the alias Lee Moore. But again other
people knew him as Bruce. It's just a little bit

(42:02):
of a background in Floh. Yeah, this interesting.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
This is what Barry Morphew aka Lee Moore aka.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Bruce Bruce, Yeah, Bruce. But yeah, so that's that's the
background on that. But we're following this case pretty closely.
We you know, her body was what was found in
twenty twenty four, I think, and there was evidence that
her body had been moved. Susanne Morphew, Barry and Morphew,
Barry's wife, right, And so yeah, this is this was

(42:30):
just interesting because it's just brand new information about what
he was doing while the investigation was going on.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I don't know, it's the time some way, and you
are passing it by listening to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio,
and we appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
I'm Courtney Armstrong.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
I'm here with Body Move In and we've been talking
about the new life that accused murderer, Barry Morphew has
allegedly created for himself. What are your thoughts if you
had to recreate a life for yourself, what would it be?

Speaker 3 (42:59):
What would your bake name be?

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Give us a call eighty eight through one Crime or
hit us on the talkbacks. When you're on the iHeartRadio app,
you just go to that little icon in the top
right and leave us a message, and you will be
on the show. So I wanted to go into a
different story body and this just popped on my radar. Yes, yes,

(43:22):
my niece sent it to me and I know you
follow everything. But this story is about a seventeen year
old girl named Sarah Grace Patrick. She has turned herself
in from murdering her parents in Carol County.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah, this is making the rounds. Right before air, I
was getting messages about this. So it's too early to call.
But this could be another big story. Yeah, this is
this is going to be this is going to be
a thing.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
It's just coming out. So we have sort of top
line information. But like Buddy said, I bet some cash
we will be following it. So on February twentieth of
this year, and this was in Georgia, Kristin Brock forty
one years old and James Brock forty five years old,
they were found shot dead in bed by.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Their six year old daughter. Oh horrible.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Their daughter discovered their bodies and Sarah Grace Patrick, who
has since turned herself in. She was sixteen at the time.
She called nine one one and reported the incident.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Okay, so that's her other daughter. So they have two daughters,
once around them six years old and Sarah who is sixteen,
who's also their daughter, called nine one one right, correct.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
And then just yesterday, the Carroll County Sheriff's Office confirmed
in a press conference that Sarah Grace Patrick now seventeen,
voluntarily turned herself in for a rest in relation to
the murders, and she has been charged as an adult,
and she has been charged with two counts of murders
for the death of Kristin and James Brock. Correct me

(44:51):
if I'm wrong, her mother and her stepfather.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Is that correct? Yeah, that's my descnding, Okay, And.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
So it's two counts of murder and two counts of
aggravate to assault. So this is horrible on its face,
but then it gets strange as well as horrible and tragic.
So authorities have described a relentless investigation, and this was
in cooperation with the Carroll County Sheriff's Office, the FBI,
and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation Crime Lab. So lots

(45:19):
of people working together to solve this, and it involves
extensive physical and digital forensic evidence. There's ballistics, there's gunshot residue,
and countless interviews which have not yet been released, right.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
And one thing that's I think the reason that this
is kind of becoming something that people are talking about
is an account on TikTok with the name Sarah Grace
has been messaging true crime creators asking them to cover
this case prior to her rest after it happened. So
it's I think that's one of the reasons it's kind

(45:53):
of like blowing up right now on social media because
the killer is asking true crime creators like us, right
cover this case. Yes, it's interesting, it is.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
And additionally, and again this is this is early days,
so everything very early substantiated, so we're going to take
this with a hunk of salt. But also on social
media accounts that do appear to belong to this Sarah
Grace Patrick, she was also saying, you know, I miss
my mommy, and was.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Almost almost like an attention thing, like she wanted the
attention of like who maybe social media influencers or you know,
people that have who who she thinks have like a
large following, you know, like she just wanted attention. That's
what it seems like right now. At least, this is
very early, very very early. It's incredibly early.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
And we do know that one of the main factors
in the investigation, and I imagine the you know, ongoing prosecution,
is her digital footprint. So what she was doing online
is going to play a really big part in this.
And again, if the information we have is all correct,
then yeah, it's she seems like a very disturbed girl
who was I mean, I can't say a motive of

(47:06):
doing this for attention, but certainly trying to garner.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
I mean, I've we've seen it before. I mean, we've
seen we've seen people kill for attention before. I mean,
this wouldn't be the first time. This might be one
of the first times a daughter has killed her mother
and stepfather for attention. But we again, we don't know
the motive. But that's what that's what the chatter is
right now, right the chatter, it's what I call the
people talking online, people who are because people are already
sussing this out, They're already sleuthing, you know, all kinds

(47:32):
of things for social media, because all that stuff is
still up. It hasn't been taken down yet.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Right and listen, authorities have not ruled out anything, including
the possibility that others may have been involved. There is
no clear sign of staging, explanation, or forced entry, so we'll,
you know, we'll keep covering it as more information comes out.
So Pride Month technically is over, but we are going
to continue to highlight stories of members of the LGBTQ commune,

(48:00):
which is always underserved in terms of media reporting on
crimes and body. I know that's something that you feel
very strongly about.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah, I do in something that you know, I mean,
obviously any marginalized community, I'm like, you know, all in right,
but as part of that community, it hits especially hard.
So I do like to bring awareness where I see
it's necessary. In you know, Marcia Johnson, she's a pioneer
and the fact that the police department are practically relooking

(48:30):
at her case is kind of a big deal. She's credited,
you know, and it's often debated. I don't know if
you guys know what Stonewall is, but it's kind of
the beginning of gay rights movement, and she is credited
as basically throwing the first brick. Yeah, but I will
say she herself denies it, but she Yeah, there's many

(48:53):
different people that have become icons in the community that
have been accredited to throwing the first brick, and she
is one of them. Okay, so it's very interesting, but
it takes a.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Lot of heroes shoulders to stand on and whoever through
the first brick.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Marcia P.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Johnson was a black transgender activist and an icon, as
you just said, body. And she was found dead in
the Hudson River and this was near the Christopher Street
Pier in New York City. This was back in nineteen
ninety two, so quite a bit ago. Initially, her death
was ruled a suicide, but friends and advocates, many people

(49:30):
have long suspected that there was foul play. They pointed
to a sign of a struggle, and she also had
a history of being harassed. The case was reopened in
twenty twelve. It still remains unsolved, but it's also a
case that continues to be a symbol of violence faced
by transgender people.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Right, and imagine being a transgender woman back then. I
mean it's hard enough today, right, even though there's been many,
you know, many people in society who are very accepting,
but back then, oh, you know, you re called every
name in the book. Of course, she was harassed. So
the fact that she ends up in a river, you know,
in the Hudson River, it's very suspect. And obviously her

(50:09):
friends are you know, raising the red flags for decades
now saying that she was She wasn't suicidal. She wasn't
that person, right, you know, she lived a full and
lovely life, and she was constantly harassed, constantly, right, she
was very outspoken for you know, demanding gay rights at
a time when you didn't even admit you were gay.
That's right. She was one hundred percent targeted all the time.

(50:32):
So when her body ends up in the Hudson River,
like I said, it's you know, to people in the community,
it was pretty obvious that something had happened to her.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
So yeah, and this was as I said back in
nineteen eighty two, and Marsha P. Johnson's body was floating
in the river and she had been lasting alive shortly
after the Pride March in New York City. She was
found fully clothed, very very quickly. The NYPD ruled her

(51:01):
death of suicide, but there was immediate skepticism from people
close to her. And it wasn't just the LGBTQ plus
community challenging the ruling, but Martha had a very suspect
or some people say suspect wound on the back of
her head that didn't go with drowning yourself to death.
And you know, just a wildly optimistic demeanor and many

(51:24):
many plans for the.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Future, right, I mean, like she had a lot of
hope for the gay rights in the United States. It
was just a weird time, you know, for this person
who is kind of like a leading voice for gay rights,
and right after a parade to kill themselves. Although listen,
I think I said this before, but like anytime somebody
commits suicide, I think we're always kind of in denial,

(51:46):
like yes, you know, because people like you're just you're
always surprised. It's never like, oh I expected that, you know,
It's always a surprise in the shock. So I think
we have to keep them in mind. But at the
same time, it was just, you know, according to her,
you know, people that knew her, this just wasn't something
that she would do at this time. This was like
a really important time, you know, And if you put
yourself back in that time in the nineties, Bill Clinton

(52:09):
had just been elected. You know, if you were gay
in the military, you couldn't be gay in the military,
and then it became don't ask, don't tell, you know,
there was there was a lot of things happening in
a gay community for her to see, kind of like
hope coming right. Yeah, it would just be like a
really really odd time to do this. This wound leads
people to believe that she was attacked and thrown in

(52:30):
the river.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, it was a large, gaping wound on the back
of her head. That's really not consistent with drowning yourself
or falling and very likely to be to not be
self inflicted on the back of your head. There were
also eyewitness reports that claimed that Marcia had been harassed
by a group of men shortly before her death. Right,

(52:51):
and also there was ignored testimonies. There was an individual
who reportedly told police they saw Marcia being chased and
possibly pushed into the river. And this was one of
the leads that was never thoroughly investigated.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Oh wow, See, I didn't know that. I didn't know
that part at all. Well, you're listening to True crime
tonight on iHeartRadio. I'm Body Movin and I'm here with
Courtney or I'm Strong, and we're right in the middle
of talking about Marcia p. Johnson, and we're going to
get into some good news in a moment, so stick
around for that. If you want to give us a call,
give us a call at eight eight eight thirty one
Crime or use the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. So

(53:26):
I didn't know that there were ignored testimonies and that
they didn't really thoroughly investigate, but I'm not surprised. So again,
you have to put yourself back in the early nineties
at a time when Bill Clinton had just been elected,
We had just come out of the Bush era, yeah,
the war, and you just remember what was going on.
If you're old like me and you can remember, you
know that time I was like, you know, I was ating,

(53:48):
you know, yeah, I remember all this very very well.
And so that's time, you know, it would be normal
for a group of men to be harassing a transgender woman.
It would be it would be kind of the norm thing.
And I'm kind of wondering if the cops again not today,
but back then, would have been like, eh, you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Well, even even more than or on top of that
body is there was a lot of people in the
community and people who knew Marsha that raised a lot
of speculation around police or mafia involvement in her death
and THEA Yes mafia in New York. This was something
that has come up over the years and that Marsha

(54:30):
was targeted due to her activism and her community ties.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
You know, there's a documentary on Netflix about her, and
I'm gonna watch it. I haven't seen it. It's called
The Death and Life of Martha P. Johnson. So I'm
going to watch that and I'm going to add it
to my little list of documentaries who're watching because I
heard it's good. I just haven't seen it yet. But
if you want to learn more about about Marcia P. Johnson, obviously,
I think that if if you're in the community, obviously
you probably should know about her. But even if you're

(54:56):
not in the community, support, you know, be an ally
and maybe watch it, talk about it with your friends
and see what happens. So I've got some good news. Yeah,
you guys want to hear some good news, because listen,
we don't have or have a lot. There's been some
good news in the community in the LGBTQ community Pennsylvania.
Pittsburgh City Council has unanimously passed three landmark ordinances today

(55:16):
and today, protecting LGBTQ residents through real legal mechanisms rather
than just symbolic statements. Right, Like a lot of the times,
like politicians will get there and just be like, we
stand with you, But this is like real, meaningful, you know, legislation. First,
the city has moved to explicitly ban health care providers
from denying elective gender affirming medical treatments like hormone therapy

(55:40):
or surgeries based on the patient's gender identity or expression.
Complaints can now be raised, with the city's Commission on
Human Relations closing a gap in the public accommodations laws,
asserting that trans healthcare is real health care. So that's
pretty big news. I'm reading that it's been gigantic. It's
gigantic's big deal, body, you know, it's it's a really

(56:02):
big deal. So that's that's some good news. They also
there's more the same in Pittsburgh preemptively pledged to deprioritize
enforcement of any state or federal law that criminalize LGBTQ
individuals for engaging in lawful acts such as drag bathroom use.
That's what I really care about a lot, right, I

(56:23):
talk about that one quite a bit displaying pride flags
or being in gender affirming care. If restrictions arise in Pennsylvania,
there's going to be penalties. Basically, if they make a
rule that, you know, if you were born a male
but now you to identify as female and you can't
use that restroom, there will be penalties. So that's really great,

(56:44):
that's really good news. And you know, we just covered
Katie Glass, who of course was a female who went
to the bathroom and she was attacked. So these kinds
of things will will really help protect and make LGT
people in the community feel s a at least in Pittsburgh.
But it's so it's a start, it's but it's in.
It's good news, and so it's always all nice to

(57:05):
include some good news in the mix. So I'm happy.
I'm happy to do that absolutely.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
That is I love that there's actual steps that will
change people's lives.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Yeah, that we can seek about. Well, stick around. We
have more coming up. And why is the star from
Netflix this Tiger King been sent into a year in prison.
Let's chat about what true crime content you're loving lately.
Give us a call at eight eight eight thirty one
Crime with your thoughts. On any of Tonight's stories, or
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where we talk true crime all the time. We have
our very own Netflix documentary scandal that doesn't involve me.
I'm so excited. I'm so excited. So I assume everybody
watched Tiger King and when we were all in lockdown, Yes,
I know that I certainly did. And I remember, you know,

(58:06):
it was right after mine came out. It was literally
like a month later, and so my name was really
big back then with cats and don't cats right winning,
And so my email was just bombarded with you have
to find the Carol Baskins husband again. I always like
to go back in time and put myself back in

(58:26):
these times. Well, there was another Tiger King documentary that
came out and it featured Doc this and other character
doc Antle okay, and so it was the first Tiger
King from twenty nineteen that we all no one love
right with the Joe Exotic, right, and then there's another one.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yep, Joe Exotic is really a little tattooed on my
brain and just the visuals he just I really couldn't
stop looking at him. And one of my biggest COVID memories,
now that you brought me back to that time, was
we were all figuring out, you know, we're washing our
groceries or not nobody what many people are wearing masks.

(59:06):
I was one of them, and a lot of them
that I had, for whatever reason, were sort of leopard
prints or I'm like, let's get stylish with these masks.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
I dazzled some. Yeah, I get it, but.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
I had them hanging and I remember they just reminded
me so much of the little thongs, oh my god,
that he wore on Tiger King, and it was it
was a big joke taking pictures.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
I'm like, yeah, those tiny little things. Yeah. So he
was very entertaining. You know, my favorite thing to do
is look at his tweets because he always tweets like
Kim Kardashian and Donald Trump give me out of jail,
Like he's he's so dramatic. And also I would be two.
If I was, I would not survive in prison. So
I mean, I get it. But let's talk about doc Antle. Yeah.
Doc Antle is in the second Tiger King, and not

(59:54):
as many people watch that one, but it is a
good Tiger King to watch. So doc Antle is set
to one year in prison for animal trafficking. Now, if
you watch the Second Tiger King, you'll also know that
he's been accused of grooming miners, so that's another thing.
But he denies those allegations, and I don't think he
has faced charges in any capacity for these allegations. But

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the allegations were strong enough that they made it into
the documentary, so it's just a worth a mention. So
he's was sentenced Tuesday to one year and a day
in federal prison and find fifty five thousand dollars for
trafficking exotic animals and money laundering after he pled guilty
in November of twenty twenty three. These animal traffickers, I

(01:00:39):
just cannot stand them, so it's hard for me to
remain unemotional. So this is the final sentence in this
true life chapter the Tiger Kings Saga. His zoo was
known for charging hundreds or thousands of dollars to let
people pet and hold baby animals like lions, tigers, and
monkeys that were so young they were still being bottle fed.

(01:01:00):
Sometimes he would ride into the tours on an elephant.
And he would wear like this really crazy like Safari
likeumit no, not a turbine, but you know, like those
Safari hats, oh okay. And he would wear like, you know,
like the tooth earrings. He was just like a character.
All these animal traffickers are cut from the same cloth.

(01:01:23):
You know. I can get into tiraids about this, but
I'm not going to. I'm I'm gonna be professionals. So
prosecutor said he sought or bought cheetahs, lions, tigers, and
a chimpanzee without the proper paperwork, and in a separate scheme,
he laundered more than five hundred thousand dollars that an
informant told him was being used to get people into
the United States illegally for work.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Can I pause you for a hot second, because is
there proper paperwork for buying cheetahs, lions, tigers or chimpanzees?
Can I Can I have a chimpanzee?

Speaker 8 (01:01:54):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
I can't. Can I have a tiger? It depends on
where you live. Like I you know, I live in
the middle of Las Vegas. I probably can't. No, I
probably can't. Actually I live in Las Vegas. It's it's
gonna depend on where you live, like a lot of
like in Missouri, for instance, I know that the animal
laws for exact animals are really like lack. There so
a lot of people that do have exotic animal shows,

(01:02:16):
like the Chimp Lady. She was in Missouri, right, Okay,
you know that was a crazy documentary. Oh my gosh.
I'm going to talk about that later. He was also
convicted in twenty twenty three in Virginia on four counts
of wildlife trafficking over sales of lions, and was sentenced
two years of prison. A lot of these people think that,
you know, the government can't control what they do. They're
very you know, don't tread on me. I can do

(01:02:38):
whatever I want. Hyper libertarian, hyper, yeah, you know, And
not to cast any shade on libertarians whatever, but they're hyper.
You know, there's always extreme in every kind of group.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
So, yeah, he's been convicted of animal animal trafficking, and
I hope he hates prison for the next year. I
hope he hates it, and I hope he has a
terrible time because you know, a lot of these people
don't know this or not, but animal animal trafficking funds
a lot of terrorism. Did you guys know that? No, Yeah,
it funds a lot of terrorism because it's all black money.

(01:03:10):
It's all it's all black money. And so National Geographic
a couple of years ago did this like really great
story on how animal trafficking and is bad Number one,
But also, you know, funds a lot of really really
really bad things like oh my ivory trade, like the
ivory trade possible. Yeah. So you're listening to true crime
tonight on iHeartRadio. I'm body movin and I'm here with

(01:03:32):
Courtney Armstrong and we're just talking about all the latest
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Speaker 8 (01:03:46):
We were talking about grooman and the psychological effects on
the victims that they take and it kind of reminds
me of the psychological effects the victims of domestic violence,
and it seems almost akin to what victims go through.
And I just wonder if there should be like thing
in place that could help these victims of grooming.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Yeah, this is something we were talking about last night, Yeah,
talking about important question. Yeah, like is grooming and you
know what is grooming? Right? What is grooming?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
So I did a little bit so after we spoke
about it and we were kind of debating, you know,
how it can or should be litigated. And I did
find out that there are various federal and state laws
that do address child grooming, which I wasn't sure about.
And it can be laws against child enticement, and it

(01:04:43):
can be laws about targeting online miners. So basically what
grooming is, and it can be if you're doing with
children or really anyone in sort of a minor situation too,
you have more power. It's getting them comfortable, it's making
making them trust you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Like you're basically using friendship or mentorship of some kind, right, Courtney, Like, yes,
you're in a position of offering something to a child
to make them feel comfortable to trust you with the
intent right of some kind of exploitation or manipulation or

(01:05:24):
even sexual abuse. Yep, Right, So that's grooming. Should this
be a crime And you're saying in some jurisdictions it
is a crime, but in other words it's not. That's right,
So I just like I said, it was late.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
It was last night, it was after the show, and
I looked into it, so I want to do an
actual deep dive. But I was happy to know that
there are again some federal and some state laws, and
some of them prohibit contacting a minor with the intent
to commit a sexual offense and that can be even
without a physical meeting. Oh yeah, and other laws are

(01:06:00):
specifically targeting online enticementth and sending harmful material to minors
with the intent to seduce them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Or there's plenty of malevolent people out there who want
to encourage children to hurt themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
I've seen Oh my gosh, I saw like this gang
that does this. We should cover this. Oh. They target children,
and they use social media to communicate with them. They
groom them just as like we discussed, and then they
get them to basically do things because they say, if
you don't, I'm going to tell your mom about the

(01:06:40):
conversations we've had and whatnot. You guys, parents, I don't
know how you do it today. I don't have children
on my own. Please please, please be on top of
your kid's social media. I am terrified for children on
the internet. I mean, I am and I'm on the internet. Listen,
I'm on the internet way too much, like way too much.
And the things that I've seen it makes me shudder.

(01:07:04):
And the stories that I've heard from people whose childrens
have gotten messages from predators and whatnot. I mean, just
being a woman on the internet, how many sugar baby
messages do we get? Like, I just cannot imagine. Oh,
the Eighteenth Street Gang. That's it. We have to cover this.
It's so scary. Parents need to know about it. Listen,

(01:07:26):
if I had a kid, they would not have a phone.
They would have a flip phone. They would have a
Motorola raser that only has my phone number in it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
And listen, there are segments of people who are going
back to that just for all of the reasons. Right,
we talked about But speaking of streaming and everything horrifying
we just talked about, by the way, thank you very
much for that talk back about grooming. It's obviously is
a really important issue, and so I'm very will dig

(01:07:54):
into I'm going to tell you real quick what I'm streaming.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
And oh, yeah, this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Is true crime adjacent, but it was one of it
was about the poop cruise.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Oh I saw that this weekend. I watched it. Yes,
that was I thought it was going to be a
true crime story. So I was like, oh, let's watch
the Poop Cruise. I don't why I thought it was
going to be true I did too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
It's a series. It's called train Wreck and it's quite
a watch. And another one under the banner of train
Wreck is The Mayor of Mayhem, which involves a crack
smoking mayor.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
So right now I'm going to get into what I've
been watching. Right I can't not listen to Courtney Took
My Poop Cruise story because I did watch that this weekend.
That was wild, by the way, Like these poor people,
these poor people were on a cruise. They were on
a four day cruise to I think King kun or Cosmeo,
and they got stuck and they lost the ship lost

(01:08:53):
power and they were given these red hazard bags to
poop in because nothing's working. They don't have any food,
they don't have any and the air conditionings down, so
they're all bringing their beds from their cabins out into
the deck to sleep. And they were there for like
five days, stranded at sea, and like a tug boat's
coming out in a storm. They couldn't like it was

(01:09:14):
just one cat. It was real mayhem.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
And even the people watching it, I mean it was
almost like Lord of the Flies.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
It kind of they I love that book. It's actually
my favorite book, Lord of the Flies, But you took
that for me. So I think I'll talk about the
Idaho student murderers on Peacock.

Speaker 8 (01:09:34):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Yeah. So I watched that. It was very well done.
I thought that, you know, it was a really really
good I mean, there wasn't anything like earth shattering in it,
you know, like new but it was a really good
overview of the case. If you don't know anything about it,
like if you are just now learning about this and
you want to watch the trial, that's what I would

(01:09:57):
recommend people watch. Now there is no trial because he
played guilty, but there's moments in the documentary that I
just thought that I that we're so well done that
haven't been done yet. For instance, they kind of recreated
the house. Yeah, and they walk through the house as
basically the killer. That's how I kind of read it.
And it was very it was chilling, it was it

(01:10:22):
was sad. I cried, actually, you know, at times there's
Kaylee Gounsolve is one of the victims. Her brother is
in it, and he's talking about, you know, how life
has changed, and he also says something that's so heartbreaking.
He says, my biggest fear is that there's going to
be a plea deal. And that stood out to me.
That stood out to me. I was like, oh God,
and here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
No, it's it's horrible for the family members, including the
Consolvst family who feels that way. One thing I will
say Aboutdy and this is without spilling all of Katie's
studios inside secrets, what you're reacting to, the sort of
recreation perspective. It is not as so we can just
read it there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
But it's also not the house because I got that
question too. Did they get access to the house? I'm like, no, no,
because the house was torn This is torn down, and
of course I'm not going to let a production company
in there. Like no, of course it's not the house.
But you know, it was just the details of the house.
You guys captured them. I thought it was really well done,

(01:11:22):
especially if you're just now kind of learning about this
case and wanted to watch the trial because a lot
of people don't pay attention like we do right, like
not everybody does. So I thought it was like a
really good refresher, very well done, and it's number one
on Peacock Congratulations stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
It's the Big Deals. Yeah, Stephanie and Kat Studios. Cool
and listen. Tomorrow we're gonna have a deep dive. Obviously,
Stephanie Leidegger's back and we are joined with everyone's favorite
forensic expert, Joseph Scott Morgan, who was a big part
of the documentary. Listen, leave your talkbacks now. If you

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