Secrets, Scandals, and a Killer: The Dateline Idaho Leak and a Chilling Hunt in the Pacific Northwest

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thrilled for that. Everybody. We have made It is the
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Speaker 4 (00:55):
It is.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
It is Thursday, August seventh, and we have got a
stacked knight of headlines.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Listen, there's a lot buzzing in the news today.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
There's been two major arraignments that happened today. One is
for the man who is accused of killing the Minnesota
lawmakers earlier this summer.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
That's been a long time coming.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
I feel like, you know, it feels like a long time,
but actually not, it hasn't been that long. It feels
like forever ago.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
It feels like forever, So that arraignment happened.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
And then also, and this happened quite expeditiously, Austin Drummond
the suspect in the Tennessee quadruple homicide, so his arraignment
happened as well. And later in the show we're going
to be getting into something kind of curious. There's a
new potential victim who's possibly connected to a serial killer
in Oregon, so we'll get into that. I had not

(01:48):
heard much about it. And Gypsy Roade Blancharts, she's apparently rebranding,
so God, we're gonna yeah, well, we'll get right into
that as well. As always, we adore the talkbacks. We
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I just mentioned. We'll be talking about this evening. You
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have a talkback right now.

Speaker 6 (02:18):
Hi, guys, this is Amanda from Missouri. I guess I
was just wanting to know what you guys thought now
that things are being released in the Brian Coborder case
that was in obviously confidential because it was an active case,
but the things that are being released now, I kind
of thought it was really interesting that Hunter the friends

(02:40):
had actually like checked for a pulse for two of
them and then had grabbed a knife and investigated the
like I think it was a closet or something like that,
before getting everybody out. When it originally it kind of
seemed like it was an immediate thing, which I can't
imagine what traumatizing images are that he saw, But just

(03:04):
I was wondering what now that it's like a sentence case.
What you thought was the most interesting thing that came out?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
There's so many interesting things that's hard to pick just one.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
By the way, I'm so glad you mentioned, by the way,
because that poor guy, who, oh my god, he was
dragged through the mud. He was and it's an atrocity.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
What happened to this?

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Yeah, I mean this is his You know, Hunter was
Ethan's best friend, yeah, okay, and him and his girlfriend
Emily were very close with Sanna and Ethan. They hung
out all the time. Now, just imagine being you know,
in your twenties, young twenties, by the way, and having
to find this and not only keeping your composure, but

(03:53):
protecting those roommates and girls from right seeing. So like
in my mind, I get to chills thinking about it.
Like in my mind, Hunter is an extraordinary young man,
and you know, I'm sure he carries a lot of
I don't know. I just my heart went out to
him just one hundred percent reading these reports. But this

(04:16):
is such a good question, and I think, you know,
going through everything that we've learned from the Moscow Police
Department report dumped that we got, I think the most
interesting thing that I learned in reading those and listen,
it's going to change in twenty minutes because there's so
many but top of head, I'm going to say they

(04:37):
found We learned they found blood on the beer pong table,
which is in the living room, but it's in the
path to Zanna's room. It kind of is right by
that good vibe sign that they had in the right room.
So it's in the pathway from the staircase where he

(04:59):
would come down those stairs to Zanna's room. And I
thought that was very interesting. I don't know, we don't
know whose blood it is. As far as I know,
I might have to go through and see if I
can connect the dots. I haven't done it yet, but
I thought it was It was interesting and I made
me wonder if did the attacks start there as she

(05:19):
was kind of running to the room. I don't know,
I say, Or is it transfer from Brian Coburger. Of course,
he's the man that has been you know, sentenced to
life without the possibility of role for committing these murders.
He pled guilty for those who who need reminding. So

(05:40):
was it transfer from Brian Coburger's clothing or you know,
the knife itself from you know, being upstairs. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, that was my that was my knee jerk of
how it got there. But but you know, who knows.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
Because Bethanie says that she heard a ruckus at the
pong table, so it could have been him sliding into it.
I'm not sure, or I don't I really don't know, right,
I thought that was interesting. And we did see when
the investigators were out at the property, you know, looking
for fingerprints and things like that, we were able to
kind of peek inside the house through you know, the

(06:16):
reporters that were taking pictures, and they were focusing a
lot around the pong tables, so it wasn't like a
total surprise that there was blood there, but it was
confirmation that there was blood there. So I thought that
was interesting. What about you, Kurk, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
I mean I think we listen, we've spoken a little
bit about this, including with Joseph Scott Morgan, but it's
about what Dylan said. Oh, Bethany, excuse me, excuse me,
I've got Dylan on my brain.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
I know.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
We were just talking about Dylan so that she thought
she heard a fire work and saw a flash under
the door, you know, all of that, and and heard
Murphy barking. So we've kind of pontificated what the fireworker
flash could be. I still mean to in the simplest
is what I think, which is, you know, Colberger's car

(07:04):
pulling out, screeching out and backfiring something like that. But
also the mention of Murphy barking, because this is always
something and we've talked about this off the air body
about yeah, just how we both have dogs and you
know they make alert barking when something's up.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
And well speaking, I mean, we're getting at maybe a
little bit off script. That's okay, But the Idaho Statesman
Foyer requested the camera video from one one one two
King Road, which is the house with the light bulb
camera right in front of one one two two King
Road where it's where the victims lived.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
And they released it today and in that video, and
I don't want to get too far into this video
because it is incredibly sad. When I'm watching it, I
have this feeling of just total hopelessness that I want
to warn the girls and Ethan that it's it's it's
horrifying to watch. But in the video, the audio is

(08:05):
a lot clearer and you can hear Murphy. I mean,
it is definitely an alert he is. Murphy is clearly
upset in this video.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
In my mind, he's clearly upset.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, there's lots more come. Yeah, thank you, thank you
for the question though, because there is a lot to
go through. There's a listen. This is true crime tonight.
We are on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney Armstrong. I'm here with
Body Movin and we're talking about the Idaho student murders,
the new information that's been coming out and actually we're
about to move on to a little bit more news.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Body.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Yeah, I just want to clarify real quick I don't
want to get too much into the video because it's
it's very upsetting and the like I said, the audio
is a lot clearer. And for those of you who know,
you know, for those of you who don't know, it's
a trigger warning. And I still I'm still kind of
processing it, and I feel like I have of tears
welling up, and I don't want to talk about it yet.

(09:02):
I still need to process everything. But yeah, just still
already knows. I'm not trying to ignore the video. I
just need to process it a little bit. Yes, So
there in other news though, In other Idaho news, the
Idaho Law Enforcement and prosecutors are disputing claims made in
a recent Dateline episode. And remember we've been talking about
all the Dateline leaks and what's true and what's not

(09:23):
and yes, well the investigators have come out and given
us a little taste of some things that were not
true and the taste of some things that were true.
So we're going to go through them really quickly. Brian
Coberger again, who pled guilty in July of twenty twenty
five to the twenty twenty two murders of four University
Idaho students. He is now serving life in prison without parole.

(09:44):
This Date Line episode was very controversial and it had
a lot of significant information in there that was quote
unquote leaked to them by sources close to the investigation.
I think is what they said. So investigators are saying
that Dateline made false claims about the wounds suffered by Ethan,
rejecting the show's suggestion that he was carved in a

(10:06):
ritualistic manner. This is what Lieutenant Darren Gilbertson, he is
one of the lead detectives in this murder case, said.
He said there was a strike to the back of
the leg. None of us believe or concluded that there
was any other purpose or that he was doing something
ritualistic or anything like that. I think it was simply
a strike to make sure that Ethan was not going

(10:27):
to come after him. So that's one thing that's been
heard of, you know, and this is just on those leaks.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
They were such big news and they should have been
because it really, I mean, it potentially called in to
question the entire court case.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
Yeah, there was a lot of stuff in there too, right,
A lot of it was pretty prejudicial against Brian Colberger, right, right,
I mean, none of it made him look good. None
of it like was exculpatory. In my opinion, all of
it was very unculplatory. M That's how I took it.
But you know, they're disputing some of it. Another one
of the things that they're disputing they're saying that Dateline,

(11:04):
if you remember, claimed that Brian Koberger sat down in
Xana Kernodle's bedroom chair. I remember they said he sat
down in the chair, and we all kind of were like,
what that? What was he this? You know, that never happened.
He the detective said that was completely false. I'm gonna
quote completely false, made up no idea where that came from.

(11:26):
He did not sit down in a chair anywhere in
that house. So I'm not sure where Dateline got.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
That, Like, that's an odd thing.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I wonder if that will ultimately help figure out where
the leak came from.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
It might, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (11:42):
One hundred percent like it was there somebody maybe in
the defense office or the prosecutor's office or one of
the expert testimony people that had mentioned the possibility of that.
That's absolutely a way that they could narrow that down.
And the special prosecutor who has been or will be
assigned to this. I'm not sure if they have yet
or not. Will be able to pinpoint that down, I

(12:04):
think really quickly, and we'll get into more after the break.
The reports assertion Dateline report they said that Madison Mogan
was the intended target. It's unverified as the investigators remain
uncertain whether it was Mogan or Kaylee Consolvest that was targeted.
So the idea that it was Maddie one hundred percent,
they say, no, we don't know, So Dateline got that wrong.

(12:25):
There's a bunch more. There's a bunch of more.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
We're going to get into it.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, we're doing Yeah, we're going to continue with that
after the break. And this is you know, this is
interesting to just see and how it will shape with
the special prosecutor.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Listen, we'll be following up this.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
We have more to talk about, and we also have
talkbacks to get to and a major development in the
case of the alleged Tennessee quadruple murder. Keep it here,
True Crime tonight. We're talking true crime all the time.

(13:03):
Later in the show, we're going to be talking about
today's arraignment for the alleged killer of the two Minnesota lawmakers. Also,
we're going to get into what we know. There's a
mysterious death of a fashion entrepreneur. It took place out
in Mott's Montalk this week. Boy, my Northeast accent really
hit hard there Montak and the entrepreneur. But first we

(13:24):
are getting back into Brian Coberger and the Idaho student
murder case. And that, of course, is where Brian Coburger
fatally stabbed four students to death in their off campus
home and he has now been sentenced to life in
prison without the possibility of parrol after he took a
plea deal. Listen, I know you guys have questions about

(13:47):
the case. We want to hear them, so give us
a call. We're at eight eight eight three to one
Crime and now, body, why don't you get back into
what you were talking about with Dateline?

Speaker 3 (13:58):
What did they get right?

Speaker 2 (13:59):
What did they get wrong when they leaked information?

Speaker 5 (14:02):
I think there's gonna be more that we're going to
learn that they got wrong and more they got right.
But right now I have one more thing they got wrong. Yeah,
and if you missed previously, catches on the podcast right
after the show and you can re listen one of
the other things they got wrong was Dateline reported that
Xana Kernodle went up the stairs to the third floor
and interrupted, you know, Brian Coberger and that's possibly why

(14:25):
he left the sheath. Lieutenant Gilberton again, who is one
of the lead detectives on this case, said that, you know,
there's really no evidence of that, although he thinks that's
maybe what happened. Perhaps she didn't go all the way up,
you know, maybe she went up a couple of steps.
I'm paraphrasing at this point, but there's no, of course

(14:46):
evidence like you know, people were saying, oh, her watch data,
you know, or her phone data said that she made
an elevation change, and there's no evidence of that that
we know of yet. Okay, so that was false. Things
they got right. This one's kind of important actually, and
they got it right. Searches for pornography, the searches that

(15:06):
he was doing for you know, unconscious or you know,
incapacitated women sleeping.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, those are true.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Those are true, and there might be more we don't know,
and that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
I know, people had very gigantic That was one of
the things that people had the biggest reaction to in
this date Line story were were Brian Coobergers at the
time alleged searches for porn, which mirror so closely Lisk
the Long Island serial killer his searches for you know,

(15:42):
incapacitated unconscious women.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Right, it does mirror that quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Right.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
So again, a special prosecutor with like the potential to
subpoena people is now overseeing an investigation into who leaked
the case information to Dateline, operating independently from both the
prosecution and defense. So somebody with no stake in outcome
is going to be intigating these leaks. And I think, Courtney,
you pointed out something so so so smart. I think

(16:10):
that they're going to be able to determine who that
person was based on the things they got wrong.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
That's right, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
So stay tuned for that. I you know, listen, I
don't like these leaks. I think, you know, one of
the cases that I followed incredibly closely for seven years
was Delphi, and the leaks in that case almost destroyed
the case. So you know, I'm very against them. I
don't like them as a general rule. So I hope

(16:37):
they find out who did.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
This, and I have to say, it's an ethical line that's.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Actually very easy to stay away from.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I mean, I actually had so worked on so many
projects and interviewed so many people in law enforcement, and
they simply say, it's an ongoing case.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
I can't speak about it. I say, of course, And
that's it, right, That is it?

Speaker 5 (17:00):
You move on?

Speaker 3 (17:01):
That is right?

Speaker 5 (17:02):
Now what do you do, Courtney?

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Now?

Speaker 5 (17:05):
You know, what do you do as a true crime
producer if you're approached by somebody in law enforcement and say, hey,
I got to leak this to you, what do you do?

Speaker 3 (17:12):
You know?

Speaker 5 (17:13):
We and without it's a dilemma, right, yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Without naming anything about the situation. Actually, but something did happen,
and it was knowledge that, oh that I shouldn't have had,
and we all just we chose to sit on it
like we shouldn't have had it. It wasn't there, There
was no that was the ethical thing to do. Yeah,
Like no good was going to come out of sharing

(17:39):
what I shouldn't have had.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
No right, And I've I've done the similar things. I've
had information I shouldn't have and I just sat on
it and kept quiet about it because number one, it's
not my place that's right to say, you know, and
number two, what if it's wrong? But I look at
an idiot, you know what I mean, and like, I'm
not I don't want to look like an idiot.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
And what if it's wrong, you know, like this with
than Shapin saying ritualistic right, you know, torture was going on, right,
and when that has then proven wrong, what harm do
you impart or depending upon you know, obviously it was
very far down the line in the investigation and they

(18:17):
had the correct man and custody. But honestly, that kind
of misinformation could change in a different case, change the
whole perspective. If it's okay, well now we should be
looking for someone who's a ritualistic killer when that's not
right the case.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
And then then you get the jury, and then you
get the jury pool, and then now they're infected with
the wrong information, right, I don't know, it's just it's
it's not something I'm I'm a big fan of. Yeah,
So hopefully we'll get some answers from the special prosecutor.
They're clearly going to investigate these leaks and whoever did it,
you know, God have mercy in your soul. Anyway, that's

(18:55):
all we know so far, and we don't know if
they've got more wrong and more right. That's all we
know so far.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
But listen, we'll be keeping you. We'll be keeping you
up to date.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
On that, and listen, we would love for you to
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Speaker 3 (19:25):
So we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Updates in the IDOHS student murder case and stuff that
has been coming out. So Steve Gonsalvez, who's the father
of victim Kaylee Gonsalvez, he's been very outspoken and he
is a champion.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
For his daughter, as his other daughter.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Olivia, who for anyone who watched the victim's impact statement
will remember her dressing down BK. He is now speaking
out against the release of autopsy reports and crime scene photos,
and he's arguing that some of the records in the
BKK should remain sealed to preserve the victim's dignity.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
So there's more information. What's your knee jure to that body?

Speaker 5 (20:11):
I don't want to see the crime scene photos, but
uh huh, I'm going to tell you that it's going
to happen. They're going to release them, hopefully they're blurred,
and you know, I just think it's very disrespectful, yeah,
for anybody to see someone in that state. And I
think that the dignity of the victims matter. Yes, I
don't think it's important for the public.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Listen.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
I can read the documents and imagine how terrible it is.
I don't need to see it.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
M it absolutely does, and I agree with you, and
it's been you know, both of us in the course
of businesses do have seen. Autopsy reports are also being
in courtrooms.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
I'm to be real, I would like to see the
autopsy report. I don't need to see any pictures, though
I don't. And you know what, if the family doesn't
want anybody to see the autopsy report, I absolutely respect that.
I would like to read it, but I understand and
respect that they don't want us to.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
I do. I respect it.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
What's done is done me. I'm not going to be
able to change a course of history or anything like that.
I just have questions about certain things that we're reading about,
and I would like to read it for myself and
maybe talk to Joseph about it. But I totally understand
why the family would would be against that one hundred percent,
and I respect that, and I'm not going to do it.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
So Steve Gonzalveez, he was on News Nations Banfield, and
again he said he wants they want the autopsy reports
and the crime scene images to remain sealed because they
are so gruesome, because they have such emotional impact. And
he emphasized what you touched on body, which is dignity

(21:50):
for the victims. And you know, he said, these are
our children.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, families wouldn't imagine imagine, like know this happens. It's
tragic enough, and then you've got all these weird those
like me, you know, reading about, you know, the fatal
injuries of your beloved son or daughter. I mean, I
can absolutely understand how horrible horrific that would be for them.

(22:15):
I can one hundred percent do I do, But I
can tell you it's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
It's going to happen. I hope it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
And I also I think you're right yeah, and did
you see I feel like this is something that we've
talked about before, but it's it's also sort of fitting
the news about bk applying for a job at the
Pullman Police.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
Yeah, I did. We we've known about this for a
long time, but the somebody in Pullman, Washington submitted a
FOYER request and we they responded, and part of that
FOYA request is available to the public and you can
download it.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
FOYA is Freedom of Information Act by the way, for
anyone who doesn't sorry know that term. It's you can
put in a Freedom of Information Act to get records right.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
And as part of the Freedom of Information Act return
it included the internal communications between the Pullman Police Department discussing,
oh my gosh, Brian Coberger applied to this position for
public safety and then you know, talking about it, and
Brian Coberger's responsing that you know, he was excited to
talk to them about this position and you know, things

(23:26):
like that. So we just got there's nothing really to
gain from that. His response is very clinical, like we've
seen in a lot of his responses. We've seen a
couple of text messages that he's sent and he's very
you know, formal and very clinical in his responses, and
he continues to do this in the in the Pullman
request too. So it is interesting, but it doesn't really
provide any massive insight, right right.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
It is the as you said, it's the internals, but
right in this instance, I mean it's a response for
a job interview, so being formal makes sense, you know.
The quote was, it's a great pleasure to me with
you today and share my thoughts and excitement regarding the
research assistant ship for public Safety. It's something else and
maybe at another time we'll talk about linguistics because spoiler alert,

(24:10):
we're excited to have a kind of the linguistics expert
on soon.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
I'm telling you, you're flipping out.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
I freaking out.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
I know, I know.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
And when Taha told me, I almost peed my pants
a little bit. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Well, listen, stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Coming up, we are going to be talking about a
link that authorities say Tye Austin Drummond to the murders.
And also we're going to have some updates on Gypsy
Rose that and more true crimes tonight.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Today was a really big day for arrangements Courtney. Right,
there was a lot of movement in the courtrooms. Two
suspects in case we've been following from the beginning. We're
in court today, Courtney, what can you tell us?

Speaker 2 (25:04):
So this just happened very recently. So Austin Drummond. He
is the man who's charged with killing four members of
the same family in Tennessee just last week. And he
also this is the man who also allegedly there was
a baby who was tied to the family, the baby's mom, dad,

(25:27):
and I want to say uncle and grandma. This baby
was found at the end of someone's driveway, a seven
month old. So he has the death penalty is what
will be sought for him.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
And that seems that's right. That seems correct.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
It does, and it seems appropriate.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
It sure does.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
And he appeared by video feed from jail before the judge,
and this was two days after he was arrested in
murdering the parents, the grandmother and the uncle of the infant.
And get this the temerity. At this hearing, Drummond told
the judge that he operated a business and stated that

(26:08):
he really wants a speedy child for this case.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
Oh, because he thinks he's going to go back to
his business.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Well, listen, he's got a business.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Keep it moving, just business of what running drugs, killing
people move when whatever disaster. So the judge and this
is so fast moving.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
So once again, big ups to the authorities and to
everyone who helped get this man. And he is a suspect,
you know, he is not confirmed of anything. But the
judge entered a not guilty plea on Drummond's behalf. And
that's because a lawyer hadn't even yet been appointed at
that time.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
Oh really, yeah, I write a statement today. I wrote
a statement today from his lawyer. Well maybe he got
it after the arrange he did, that's exactly okay, Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
The judge also ordered that Drummond beheld without bond and
he will be back in court in August fourteenth.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Okay, So now he's being held without bond y not
you know, okay, not when he was accused of murder.
When he got out of prison. You know, they did
an investigation and found that he you know, they thought
he had committed you know, some felonies while he was
in prison, including you know, possible murder. But so now
he's not going to be on bond. Okay, I feel
a lot more protected exactly. That just infuriates me. That

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he was out on bond infuriates me.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
And listen, they have mentioned a possible motive, and I
think you're going to have a little bit to say
about this as well, don't.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
I don't even know if I want to hear it.
I'm sorry angry.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Listen, I know this guy keep its speedy judge on
a business dinner. Okay, the gal So authorities have confirmed.
They've confirmed, now what we said was speculated that Drummond
had been dating a state corrections officer related to the victims,

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and that the woman is pregnant with Drummond's.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
Baby, be correct.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, and she was fired from her job over the affair.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
Okay, So for those who don't understand really quick, Yeah,
Austin Drummond was in prison for thirteen years, all right.
While he was in prison, he met this prison guard
and it is the sister of the grandmother who was
killed that he killed, well, that he's accused of killing.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
That he's accused, that's right.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
Her name is Yep. So the people that were killed
are two young parents, her mom and her brother. Okay,
so there's when when we say grandma and uncle and whatnot,
We're not talking people in their sixties and fifties. These
are very young. The grandmother herself is only like thirty

(28:46):
eight years old, very old. She was a young mother.
Her daughter, her daughter, you know, had a young a
baby at a young age. And the baby is the
one that was found, you know, dropped off at the driveway.
So we're saying, you know, grandparents and uncles and whatnot,
these these people are very young grandparents, like very young.

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The uncle himself was only fifteen years old. Fifteen years old.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
That's unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
And and we don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I was going to say, do we know if that
fifteen year old boy who lost his life was he
then the brother of the woman that Drummond, the alleged
murderer was dating.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
No, So the Drummond was dating the sister of the
grandma Poppy you okay, So basically it's the uncle's aunt. Okay,
So yeah, I know, I know. So the grandmother had
a son and a daughter, and the daughter had the baby.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Mm hmm okay, So.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
When we say uncle, it's uncle to the baby, grandma
to the baby, mother to the baby, father to the baby.
And Drummond was dating the sister of the grandmother understood, okay,
which would be the uncle's aunt.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Man. So do we know?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
I mean, I would have to imagine that it's correlated
that Drummond and the correction officer who is carrying his baby.
Do we know if she was helping with any of
the kizza and vodka that he has was enjoying in prison?

Speaker 5 (30:24):
Right now? She has not been arrested for anything. She
hasn't been accused of anything, correct, you know, as far
as I know, she's totally innocent. But you know, there
is a reason they have these rules in prison, right
and she was fired over this relationship. I don't know
what she was giving him or anything at all. I
wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't currying him favors while

(30:47):
in prison, but I don't know yet.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
We don't know.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Wow. So you know, stay tuned. We're going to keep
updating this case. This is true crime tonight on iHeartRadio.
I'm Body Moving here with Courtney Armstrong. Right now, we're
talking about Austin Drummond, the suspect in the recent Tennessee
quadruple murder. And we want to hear from you, you know,
give us a call at eighty eight thirty one crime
or hit us up on the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. Courtney,

(31:12):
what was the other case that got.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Some news today?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Okay, so this goes I was going to say goes
back to, but as you said, it was not that.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
Seem so long ago.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yes, So the accused shooter of the Minnesota state lawmaker
and her husband, he has pleaded not guilty in federal court.
Authorities continue to investigate the politically motivated attacks. And this
is Vance Bolter is the accused alleged shooter, and he
is facing six charges, including murder and stalking. And he

(31:48):
fatally shot Democratic state Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark,
and he also shot miraculously another senator and his wife.
And they were both shot eight or nine times and
survived because of their daughter who was at home. And

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this triggered the largest manhunt in all of Minnesota's history.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
And you know this is federal court, so we're not
going to get any any video or audio from these
sessions in court. Right, It's a bummer. But yeah, so
for those looking for it or whatever, don't even bother.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Right, the judge interesting, I mean, all cases are complex
of course and have their own intricacies. But the judge,
Judge Foster has said this is particularly it's been designated
as complex, which I.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
Don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
I know it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I mean, I wonder if it's because of the stalking,
because there are multiple places vance Bolter. If you remember,
he was dressed up as a police officer as part
of how he had people open the door.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Remember he had that weird mask on that was like,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Use the word weird, I use the word terrifying for
that mask that was on his head.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
Yeah, we got we got the ring like the ring
footage from him like knocking on the door of one
of the victims. I can't remember which one, and he
had that weird ball mask on.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
So, oh my god, my laugh right now. It was
like an uncomfortable laugh because that's.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
You know what I always thinking of it.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
What the My understanding is at the Minnesota one of
the Minnesota Twins games or one of the sports sporting
events in Minnesota, they played a tribute to the to
the husband and wife that died and included the dog
in it. And my understanding is is that this is
the listen, you know, what you guys know. I love animals.

(33:47):
I love people too, Don't get me wrong. I have
a special place on my heart for animals, animals, babies,
and elderly people. I just you know, my heart, okay.
And this is the first dog they've ever buried, meaning
it got like state services.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
I just I don't know.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
I just thought that was so tender and sweet, A.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Super beautiful yeah, super beautiful. And I mean, I'm with you.
Dogs dogs deserve the world.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
So for this listen, A chrial date hasn't been scheduled yet,
and unsurprisingly, authorities suspect the attacks were politically motivated, since
all of the victims were politicians or the politicians and spouses.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
And maybe that's what they mean by complex too. Maybe
there's you know, things that we just don't know yet
about what the motivations were, and that's why it's complex.
We'll have to find out. We don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I'm sure there's there's many there's many things because he
had that whole list, remember he did.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
He had a list, and he had like how to
find people's addresses. He also made a lot of mentions,
you know, in some I think an email to somebody
that Tim Waltz like hired him to do this and
like all this crazy you know, these crazy ramblings. You
remember that we're going to have to recover this stuff
because it you know, it does seem like it's been

(35:07):
a super long time since this happened, but really it
just happened like a month and a half ago or something, right.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, I don't know, No, it's totally true. But yeah, actually, yeah,
this this judge is correct. This is a complex case. Yeah,
it is a complex case. There's the list, and what's
the you know, his background whether am I misremembering or
was he very pro abortion?

Speaker 5 (35:29):
He was, No, he was pro life and he was
kind of like a preacher. Remember there was that video
of him in Africa, I can't remember where in Africa
doing a sermon, and he was very pro life and
you know, very against abortion. And you know remember his
weird friend and roommate that was doing all those interviews

(35:51):
on the court and like sweeping up the glass and whatnot.
And he even said no, no, you know, he's very
Christian and loving and he was very surprised that you know,
his friend had done this. Or we're gonna we're gonna
keep following it up on this later on the show,
another body has been tied to a potential serial killer

(36:11):
in the Pacific Northwest. Ooh, scary, scary, But now we
have a talkback. Let's go to that talkback.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Ooh.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Playing off of the dark tourism and just this vaccination
that we have a society have with violent criminals and
serial killers. I went to high school with a guy
who looked like and.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Dressed like Jeffrey Dahmer for Halloween.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
And I want your thoughts on people who do this.
I've seen parents literally dress up their children as serial killers,
and I.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Think that is just sick. Oh, I've never seen anybody
dress up as a serial killer.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
That's cow I was gonna say. I've never had that
misfortunate either.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
But I've seen kids dress up like Jason from like
Friday the Thirteenth, or like Freddy Kruzcheber, you know, maybe
Michael Myers, you know from Halloween. But I've never seen
any of That's cool. Listen, if I had kids, I
don't have children, I wasn't blessed, but if I were,
I would never let them do it. You know, Courtney,

(37:12):
we go to Crime on Right usually like usually every year,
and they made a rule in their dress code in
I think twenty twenty that people couldn't, you know, wear
those kinds of clothes that like kind of made glorifies
or glorify thank you. I couldn't think of the world

(37:34):
like you know, they used to. They used to sell
like T shirts that would say like choke me like
Bundy and eat me like Gammer, things like that. And
they've banned good that kind of dress. There's like a
dress on now because of this stuff. So what do
I think of parents that dress their kids up as
serial killers? I think they need to be checked out

(37:54):
in the head, is what I think.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, it makes me think of that old adage of
like you need a license to go fishing, but not
to have a kid, and like m should we that's true,
but regulations. But yeah, I have never seen that. What
do I think? I think it's so horrifying, is what
I think.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
And especially I.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Have seen some controversial Halloween costume. So like I've seen
like people dressed up as like the N word nazis,
you know, like I've seen that. I've seen those kinds
of things, and that Prince William what.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Wait, Okay, tah needs to Okay, he's nodding, but this
is like when I said that beaver thing, and it
sounds so crazy coming out loud.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
I want to make sure it's correct.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
I didn't know that, Prince. Are you serious Reformation? But
are Oh my god, I did not know that.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
Yeah, Now if I saw that in front of me,
I would literally punch him in the face. Like, you know,
our grandfathers fought against this, right. My grandfather was at
Pearl Harbor like and then he died in the war.
He survived because he was hiding, but our grandfather's fun
I would punch him in the face. Yeah, punch him

(39:06):
in the face.

Speaker 7 (39:07):
You are correct, Courtney. In January two thousand and five,
Prince Harry attended a fancy party in a costume where
it was a colonial theme and he wore a Nazi
uniform a swasticker armband.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
So, oh my god, apparently celebrities doing really distasteful things
lives red free in my house.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
Yeah. It's like you have like this memory and you're like,
I know on this date this happened, and it was
this person chair knows that guy or whatever. You know
everything about this stuff.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Oh my god, funny. But that was a great talk.
I certainly got us thicking and talking. Listen.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Coming up at the top of the hour, we have
more true crime headlines that are coming out today. Later
we're going to be hearing from you. As always, do
not forget to give us a call eight A eight
three one crime.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
We want to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
What's the craziest thing you've ever seen a child dressed
up as for Halloween?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
True crime tonight.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Later in the show, what authorities have shared about a
mysterious death that took place this week on a mon
talk yacht. That's like your area, right, Courtney. But now
we have a talkback.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Hi, I'm Brock.

Speaker 8 (40:22):
Love the show. I'm just wondering if you guys could
relate some of the modern cases that's happening to some
older cases and how they might relate to each other
or how they might affect each other. Thanks bye, Brock.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I don't know, I actually, first of all, I love
your name. What a great name, and yeah, top of head,
I am. I do not think quick on my feet
as as a parent anyone who listens to the show,
but I do think deeply when given time, and absolutely
I think contextualizing cases that are happening now with what

(41:03):
have I mean, that's with serial killers. A reason why
it's so important to study certain types of killers is
then to find Okay, here are the signs we can
look for and people can be captured more DNA.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Go ahead, Boddy.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
I love what you're saying, and I agree with you.
They need to be studied so that we can look
for these warning signs and whatnot. But even when we
see these warning signs, nothing is done, like what are
we supposed to do?

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Listen?

Speaker 5 (41:28):
I love the Behavioral Science Unit. I am the biggest
fan of John Douglas in the entire world. Like there's
two people that I adore and Jim Fitzgerald as you
both know linguistics expert, love him and John Douglas. He's
like the founding father of the Behavioral Science Unit. But
we don't do anything like what are we supposed to do,

(41:48):
like violate somebody's constitutional rights and throw them in bars
because we think they might be a serial killer someday?
Like what are we going to do about it?

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Or that people?

Speaker 2 (41:57):
I think we can also talk about historical cases and
how they can help quicken the investigation of maybe finding
and stopping filing for yeah, profiling absolutely, even in linguistics
if they know, you know, we learned here are certain
patterns to look for that we have established in previous cases.
And now if you start to see certain patterns, okay,

(42:19):
people can more quickly narrow in also other cases. You know,
some cases have literally borne new areas of scientific research
that is now forensically used in court. So that's right anyway,
rock Yes, we absolutely, uh, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Very good question. It's very deep. I know we could
talk about we I could probably talk about this for
quite some time. Actually, Yeah, sometimes some of these talkbacks
make me go, God, I can talk about this forever,
you know, I can talk about these kinds of things
for a long time. I just think it's interesting that
we have like things like the Behavioral Science Unit, and
we come up with these great profiles and it fits
so many people. But then we find, you know, we

(43:02):
find the person and recognize that they had so many
warning signs right, and nothing was done well And what
are we supposed to do about it?

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Though?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Well, what you ask do yeah, as a and as
a as a real answer, you know, I I think,
I think and if not, we will publicize it.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
There are certain signs that.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Potentially can lead to dangerous things in the future, like right,
like our sin, like a bed waiting, bed wedding at
a very late, very late age, like hurting animals. And
if people see these signs in someone who is young,

(43:43):
then it can be addressed if we have the knowledge.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
Maybe therapy exact, you know, things like that. But if
they're at an older age, what are you supposed to do?
Like I experienced this personally, what did it?

Speaker 6 (43:56):
You know?

Speaker 5 (43:57):
And the cops were like, Eh, what are we supposed
to do? It's frustrating. It's frustrating, and you know, and
to their credit, to their credit though, yeah, like Leonora
with stalking, right, and she had to do all this herself,
she had you know. It's just it's frustrating because they

(44:17):
you know, we get all these warning signs, but you know,
to the system's credit, they can't just like arrest somebody
because they might do something that's like you know, futuristic
movie stuff.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
But Leonora, who body just referred to, Leonora Claire was
on last night. She's a brilliant advocate for victims of
stalking and has used her personal experience to then lead
to proactive action up to legislation. And you know what,

(44:51):
A lot of what she said was people need to
know about things like there was a law and I
wrote it down I don't have it in front of
me where you know you You may think something like
people just voted in in California that non violent offenders
should get very small sentences, but without knowing that classified
and non violent offenders is sodomization of people who are unconscious.

(45:16):
And you know all of these things, so it's it's
knowledge anyway, right, thank you, very.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
Good question, very Thank you so much, Brooke. We really
appreciate and keep it coming. And hey, listen, if you
want to weigh in about what are we supposed to
do about this kind of stuff, give us a call
eighty eight thirty one crime or leave us a talkback,
give us a suggestion, because listen, I'm at my woods end.
I don't know what we're supposed to do. I'd love
to hear from you guys. Right, So what else? Okay, headline,

(45:45):
let's keep it moving. Let's keep it keep it moving,
body moving.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
So so this, okay, this is a story with a
lot of heroes. Just yesterday, a sergeant, his name is
Cornelius Rafford, he opened fire at Fort Stewart Army Base.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
This was in Georgia.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
He injured five soldiers, and officials described it as a
swift and chaotic incident. However, the shooting prompted a lockdown
that was immediate and absolutely the emergency preparedness of all
of the soldiers helped minimize the harm that could have
been done. Radford, the offender was very quickly tackled and

(46:33):
subdued by fellow soldiers and so the shooting was over
very shortly after it began because of all of the
fast thinking.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
People who were on the base.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Heroes absolutely, and you know this this shooter he really
caused mayhem. Was there was a driver on the base
who described the situation understandably as really scary and alarming
and thinking that for a little bit of time that

(47:07):
thinking they were at war, which of course you would.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Think that reason, why wouldn't you take that, Why wouldn't
You're at an army base and are these shootings? Yeah,
you probably would think that, how scary.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
But again, these you know, the fast acting soldiers really
saved lives from being lost. And one of the soldiers
who was injured is in high spirits is expected to
be released next week, and all of the victims are
expected to fully recover.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Recover.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
Oh that's so good.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
And I think you had mentioned that. Yeah, there's some awards.
Give us some more.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Yeah, six soldiers at Fort Stewart were awarded the Notorious
Service Medal for their bravery in subduing Cornelius and providing
aid to the wounded after the shooting on Wednesday. The
gunman identified as Sergeant Cornelius Radford shot five soldiers before
being tackled and disarmed by the other soldiers. It's incredible. Yeah,

(48:05):
So they got like a really really great medal for
their bravery, and they deserve it. I think it's great.
I just kind of wanted to end that on some
good news, and I think the medal being awarded to
them is, you know, it's good news. Yes, none of
them are none of them are going to die.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
I know, thank God, you know, thank God for small favors. Okay,
you mentioned something earlier in the show. I believe, and
I want to know all about it. Tell me about
that nurse.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
Wacky so Florida woman of course, Autumn Bardisa. Bardisa has
been arrested for impersonating a nurse and providing medical care
to over forty four hundred patients without a valid license.
So she is twenty nine years old. She posed as

(48:52):
a registered nurse at advent Health Palm Coast Parkway from
July of twenty twenty three into her contract termination in
twenty five, and she used a stolen license number and
false documentation. Her actions prompted a month's long investigation after
the hospital staff race concerned about her credentials. Scary, So

(49:12):
what did she do right to?

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (49:14):
Scary? So she was arrested a couple days ago at
her home. She was wearing scrubs. Following a seven month,
seven month investigation by the Flager County Sheriff's Office, the
authorities did confirm she treated forty four hundred and eighty
six patients from June of twenty twenty four through January
of twenty twenty five without a valid night nursing license.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Hold on June, so that's about six months time. Yeah,
I don't why she was very busy.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
I mean that's seven hundred. That's more than seven hundred
patients a month.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
She was a Yeah, it sounds like it was like
a quick Care kind of place like urgent care. You know,
you go in, they see probably a hundred patients day.
At least every time I go to a quick Care
there's tons of people in the waiting room.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
I hate going there.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
So hospital officials terminated her contract on January twenty second
after she failed to provide a marriage license to verify
her identity. She faces seven counts each of practicing a
healthcare profession without a license and fraudulent use of personal identification.
I kind of wonder, like, was the care good. Well,
I wonder too, because I am I'm not.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
I don't believe there's any Yeah, nothing that has been
reported to my not.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
Nothing that we've seen yet. Yes, nothing we've seen because
it was just providing her credentials raised red flags, not
her actual care. So maybe she was a nurse and
previous and just didn't renew or something at some point.
I don't know, but she trained a lot of people
with apparently no complaints that we can see yet.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Right, Well, you know, we're going to see how this unfolds,
because I do know. The Share described the case as
quote one of the most disturbing cases of medical fraud
we've ever investigated.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Because wow, because the risk was high.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
But yeah, to your point, I do wonder like if
there were no complaints, like was she like five star
nurse on YELP?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Maybe?

Speaker 5 (51:17):
And did she go to nursing school? She excuse me?
She initially claimed to be education first registered nurse, meaning
she completed schooling but hadn't passed the National license exam yet.
So maybe she went to nursing school kind of like
going to law school. You don't pass the bar. You
know you're a JD. You're a JD at that point, right,
Maybe she, you know, went to nursing school but didn't

(51:41):
pass the test. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
It's scary though the inverse, And I know this is
not your area of interest, but it is Stephanie's who
will be back on Sunday. I was gonna say, isn't
Kim Kardashian. I think she's planning to take the bar
without going to law school, which.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
You don't have to, you know, have to if you
know the law. I mean, do you have to go
to law school to pass the bar, to take the bar?

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Not to take the bar? You don't unless things have changed.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
So I could just walk in and take the bar exam.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Well, good luck.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I mean, if you're gonna, if you're gonna spend a
couple of years studying, then that would.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
Be a waste of money. But are you saying that
I can just literally walk into like the Nevada bar
test and take the the exam and if I pass,
I'm a lawyer. Now I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah, yeah, we'll double check that because because I looked
into it because I thought it was so odd to me.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
But you know, if you can pass it, you can
pass it. Should we try, I want to try and
pass the bar, what would happen?

Speaker 5 (52:42):
I wan't gonna try. I'm gonna try. I probably fail.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, well, I mean I guarantee on my end, but uh,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
So yeah, so this is very disturbing case. And you know,
obviously if you were treated by this nurse, you know,
check in and see, you know, make sure you're doing okay,
and stick around because we've got more to dig into.
A potential serial killer in Oregon has been connected to
another murder and the ever never ending saga of Gypsy Rose.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Her new rebrand, and we are going to kick this
off with a talkback right now.

Speaker 9 (53:15):
Hi, ladies, this is Sarah from Michigan, And in terms
of the dark tourism topic, I think the difference between
serial killers like Jack the Ripper and Bundy and these
tours for them.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Jack the Ripper it was a different time and.

Speaker 9 (53:30):
When you think of all of that, you think of
yourself in that time period, whereas Bundy all of these
other serial killers kind of happened more recently and it's
not so different. There's not as much to imagine. Does
that make sense?

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Oh, it totally makes sense. Like you completely nailed it
in my opinion. You know, I've been saying like I
probably wouldn't go on these things if the immediate family
is still around, and I think it could be seen
as disrespectful, and I definitely don't want to disrespect you know, Victor,
that's not my it's not my DNA. But I think

(54:03):
you actually, uh put it into better words. You know,
when I went on the Jack of the Ripper tour,
you know, obviously it happened so long ago, and you
know you're walking down those like cobblestone streets and it
is you are imagining yourself in a different time, a
totally different universe almost right, like no electricity, you know,

(54:27):
using potatoes to warm your hands. You know, we don't
we don't do those things.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Oh yeah, what was going to do with potatoes?

Speaker 5 (54:36):
So in in in the UK, they call like baked
potatoes jacket potatoes. In my understanding this and I got
this from TikTok. So listen if I'm wrong. If you
live in the UK and you're hearing me and I'm wrong,
do not come for me. But they call them jacket
potatoes because back in the day before, you know, when

(54:56):
it was really cold out, they would heat up these
potatoes and put them in their pockets and it kept
their hands warm. And so that's why they called them
jacket potatoes. And then somebody made a comment it was
so funny and they said, no, those are called pockets. Anyway.
I digress. But you know, it is a different time, right,

(55:18):
so if there was the Dollmer Tour, you don't have
to imagine it so much because your things haven't changed
all that much. Right, So it's too it's too fresh,
I think is what her point is. It is too
it's too close to current time. And I think that's
a really good point.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Yeah, it's it's kind of the adage of you know,
it's tragedy plus time equals comedy. And I'm not suggesting
that any of these equals comedy, but it's like a
tragedy plus an elongated history, then it turns it into
kind of a different thing.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Anyway, thank you for the talkback, Sarah. That was that
was really good.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
You nailed it.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
I really do, body, what is happening in Montalk?

Speaker 5 (56:02):
I don't know. I don't know what the heck's going
on down in Montcok. But listen to this Manhattan fashion
entrepreneur Martha Nolan. She's known for her Iron high end
bikini brand. She was found dead on a boat at
the Montauk Yacht Club with no signs of foul play.
As police continue investigating Martha Nolan. Oh, how do you

(56:25):
say her last name? Oh? Slatra, Oh slaterer, Slaterra. Thank
you listen. I'm getting my Irish card revoked immediately.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
All right.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
She's a thirty She's only thirty three. She's a thirty
three year old Manhattan and founder of the Batique Resort
where label East by East. She was discovered unresponsive aboard
a docked yacht early Tuesday morning at the Montauk Yacht Club.
Police are conducting a thorough investigation with the Suffolk County
Homicide Squad, but preliminary autopsy reports show no evidence of violence,

(56:58):
so they have no understand of how she passed. But
she's so young that you know, and there is no
indication of foul play. But obviously if the homicide squad
is investigating, there's something right or they have reasons to
believe something happened. So she was found unresponsive on the
boat just after midnight on August fifth, just a couple
of days ago, with nearby bystanderds performing CPR before first

(57:21):
responders showed up. The initial autopsy was inconclusive regarding the
cause of death, and the final ruling is pending further
examination by the Suffolk County Medical Examiner. Police are interviewing
all the yacht club members, boat owners, and receiving and
reviewing all the digital evidence such as like surveillance footage,

(57:44):
video footage photos that people took that day. The boat
scene has been secured by investigators who are ensuring it
remains intact during this inquiry, and the Montalk Yacht Club
confirm cooperation with police, but declined for their comment, emphasizing
guests and staff say but in privacy, like it's so weird.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
It is, it's very curious, Like you said that the
homicide investigators are indeed investigating, but then also there appears
to be no foul play. I mean, I guess this
is just something that because of her age, because of
her apparent health, because no one in her life had
ideas of what could have caused this.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
That, uh right.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
So just in a background on her, just a little
background on her. She's originally from Carlo, Ireland, and she
earned her Bachelor of Commerce and master's degree in Digital
Marketing marketing from the University College in Dublin. She founded
East by East. It's a boutique resort where brand and
actively promoted through all her social medias well.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Yeah, and she was. She was definitely well known and certain.
She was definitely, you know, an influencer and people looked
up to her and really liked what she was doing.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Right.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
She often shared like a lot of behind the scenes
content of her fashion shoots and marketing efforts, include being
a recent pop up event at the Gurney's Resort in
montac Her business partner described her as passionate who built
her brand from the ground up and was deeply loved
by colleagues. So there's no obvious suspects in this. So

(59:15):
we're gonna have to stand by and find out what happens.
But you're listening. You're listening to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio,
where we talk true crime all the time, and we're
kind of just right in the middle of some headlines.
If you want to weigh in, give us a call
a day to eight thirty one Crime, or hit us
on the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. And now I
have another one, another story.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
This one.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
This one is in regards to the potential serial killer
in Oregon. So we just we just started following this
today and so that we don't know a lot about it.
But I'm going to tell you what we do know.
Jesse Lee Calhoun, he was already charged with three murders
in Portland and southwestern Washington, was indicted today. Was indicted

(59:57):
for the murder of Kristen Myth, whose remains were found
in twenty twenty two. Calhoun was indicted last year on
the death of Charity Perry she was twenty four, Bridget
Webster she was thirty one, and Joanna Speaks she was
thirty two. He remains in custody of the mole. I
always get the hardest names, you guys, like, what is

(01:00:19):
going on? MALToma, Multoma. That's your guys, Oregon are going
to have to call in and correct me on this
County Inverness jail. And his trial is expected to be
held in twenty twenty seven. So we got a long
way to go on this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Well, talk about complicated cases.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I mean this if there's four, you know, four victims,
and I guess that investigators are sort of just tying
one in from.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Three years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Right, So he's he's accused of killing the three women
prior important in dumping their bodies.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
And again he was just charged. He was just indicted
on the fourth murder charge Tuesday. So that is technically
a serial killer. Yeah right, it's technically a serial killer.
So a grand jury has indicted him in the November
twenty twenty two death of twenty two year old Kristen Smith,
the district attorney, Nathan Vasquez said during a press conference.

(01:01:18):
The new indictment, which comes roughly two and a half
years after her remains were found, adds one count each
of second degree murder, second degree murder, what and abuse
of a yeah, and abuse of a corpse to his case.
Melissa Smith, who is Kristin's mother, said she was overwhelmed
with emotion. I've always stayed hopeful that I would get

(01:01:40):
justice for Kristin, she said. She said this at the
news conference, and I think every single person who didn't
give up on this case, my heart goes out to her.
That's going to be I mean, it's bittersweet, right, She's
lost her daughter, yea. At the same time, she's now
getting some justice in her daughter's name. So he pled
not guilty to the three counts each a second degree

(01:02:01):
murder and the use of corpse in the initial indictment.
But Perry, Webster and Smith were found in Oregon, while
Speaks was found in an abandoned farm in southwest Washington.
Their bodies were found over several months starting in twenty
twenty three, in wooded areas, in a culvert and under
a bridge in a roughly one hundred mile radius. Do

(01:02:25):
you conically a serial killer?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Yeah? Do you know what a culvert is? By the way,
what is that?

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
I think it's like a ditch. Oh, justin listen, this
is a man question.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
It's a structure hold on hold on uh, culvert. It's
a structure that channels waterflow. Oh, typically under a road
or railway or something else. It's one of those things
you see. It's like a I'm holding my hands wide apart,
like a big pipe that has a little.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Bridge over it. It's always kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
A picture or is it a pipe?

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
No, it's a pipe, so water flows through it anyway.
So he he was utilizing oh and under yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
So police and prosecutors have shared very little information in
this case. The death of another woman during that time
period is still be investigated, so stand by because he
might have some more charges. He Calhoun was arrested in
June of twenty twenty three on unrelated pearl warrants and
indicted in May of twenty twenty four in these women's deaths.

(01:03:31):
So it's very you know, very interesting. I don't know,
we're going to learn more about this week again. We
just started following it today. Of course, if it's a
serial killer, I'm immediately like woo, the back of my
neck hair stand up, you know, So I definitely want
to be following this absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
And you know, as is often the case, especially early
and obviously this has been happening four years, but it's
still happened. But it's still occurring now this investigation. More
murders can be tied to someone once they you know,
once they had a suspect.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
In So, what's interesting about this guy Courtney, listen to this.
So his initial indictment again, he was indicted, you know,
a while ago. The initial indictment came weeks before he
was due to be released from state prison. He initially
went to prison for assaulting a police officer and trying
to strangle a police dog. Ah can you yeah, a canine?

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
So he wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
He was in prison for that, and while he was
in prison for that, they were like, oh, you might
be this guy the serial killer. And they indicted him
while he was in prison, and he was going to
be out in a week. In one week, he was
going to be on the streets. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
That's insane, that's insane to me.

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
I know. So initially he was released in twenty twenty one,
a year early because he helped fight wildflowers. You know,
sometimes they use these guys in prison to you know,
rehabilitate them. They become kind of like volunteer firemen and
they get to work off some of their stuff, so
we're going to keep following that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Yeah, we'll follow this for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
And also Gypsy Rose Gypsy Rose Blanche shirt, what is
doing with your rebrand? And we'll be turning them go
over to you keep it here. True Crime Tonight eighty
eight three to one crime. We are talking true crime
all the time. Let's get back into it. I understand

(01:05:39):
we got to talk back.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Let's hear it.

Speaker 10 (01:05:41):
Hi, ladies, It's Hannah from Australia. I just wanted to
ask how you feel about the differences between the treatment
of the Mendez brothers and Gypsy. They're both terrible things
based off family violence, but I feel that Gypsy manipulated.

Speaker 11 (01:05:54):
A vulnerable individual to commit a crime, which shows to
me that she planned this and was well aware of
what the outcome would be. Maybe the movies have been
made about both of these cases have sensationalized things and
made us feel a different way, but it seems that
for some time she was aware what her mum was
doing and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Had the ability to escape.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
Mmmm, you hit Oh my god, You've on so many
nerve points with me. That was such a good talk back,
And yeah, I do I do recognize that, you know,
the media has treated both and not just the media,
the public. Right, Gypsy Rose was kind of celebrated when
she was released from prison, and the talk of the
Menendas brothers has kind of garnished a little resentment in

(01:06:33):
some in some circles, like how dare they they brutally
murdered their parents? How could they be released from prison?

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
So did Gypsy Rose.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Right yep.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
But not only did Gypsy Rose murder her mother, but
she manipulated her boyfriend at the time, who you know
is severely autistic, and you know, she she had him
do everything, and then she mailed the knife that was
used to murder her mother to his home so that

(01:07:02):
when they got there, you know, they could dispose of
it in another state. I mean, it was very conniving.
And you know, why is it treatedly? Why why are
they treated differently? Is it because Gypsy is you know, acute,
you know, speaks like this?

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
You know? Is it?

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
And is in her her abuse is well documented? Her
mother suffered from Munchausen by proxy and you know, was
medically mistreating her for her whole life. Right, So, but
then the Menendas brothers, their abuse was kept secret. I
mean they said it happened, but they couldn't prove it
and they couldn't testify to it because it was taken

(01:07:39):
away from them at the trial. So the public has
a much different perception of the me Menanda's brothers. I'm talking, well,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
No, no, no, it's I know, I know, Gypsy Roz Rose.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I know. This hit a nerve, and I think it's
a really interesting distinction that you drew. And listen, it's
not just you mentioned the media, you mentioned the public
at large, but it also is the court system. Because listen,
even Robert Rand, who is our you know, resident expert,
who has been kind enough to visit with us several times,

(01:08:11):
has known and followed the Menendez brothers since the day
after the murders. Do you recall when he said that
after after he spoke with all of the jurors, that
all of the men they didn't think that it was
possible that a father could have sexually assaulted his son.

(01:08:32):
They literally couldn't wrap their minds around it. The men
couldn't and the women could. So I do think this
is one instance where you know, sex comes into it,
male female, Like you said, oh you know, Gypsy Rose,
as a victim, whereas you don't see affluent males, athletic

(01:08:54):
young prime of their lives. It's harder to see them.
I think we're honestly programmed that way.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
And I love that she drew that comparison the Hannah
from Australia. That was such a good talkback because I
never correlated it two ever until just now. And so,
you know, thank you for that talkback. That was such
a good like comparison. I never thought of that. Yeah,
and she's one hundred percent right. She's one hundred percent right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
And you're Australian accent.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
I know, we love it. Call us again and say no,
I love that. I love it. When I was in
Malaysia filming for The Mole on Netflix, our production company
was Australian, and you know, we were bored a lot
because we didn't have anything to do, and so we
would often talk to our handlers, who were all Australian. No, anyway,

(01:09:46):
I'm getting sidetracked and get a little loopy here at
the end of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Listen, Australia is a good place to get sidetracked into.
I spent six of the best months of my life there.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
Oh, I would love to go. I would love to go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
But what do we have now? Yeah, well we have
Gypsy Rose in the headlines. So Gypsy Rose blanchert she's
quote rebranding her social media profile and she wants to
reflect a shift toward a new business and to step
out of the public eye. So, as you touched on briefly, body,

(01:10:20):
Gypsy Rose grew up under her mother DD's horrific.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Treatment of her.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
So her mother had Munchausen breatht proxy, which is a
condition in which often it is very often a mother
and their child. And when you have Munchausen by proxy,
you make someone ill in order to garner the sympathies
of medical professionals and your neighbors and anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
You know, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
You wonderful mother. You have to caregive. But I mean
she DEDI had Gypsy Rose. She had her in her wheelchair,
she had teeth extracted, she had her grossly underweight, had
she was injecting her with all kinds of real poisons
and medications she didn't need.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
Wasn't Gypsy a lot older than Dede was saying she
was too, like she was two or three years older
than So she was like infantilizing her too, is what
I'm trying to get at.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
She was one hundred percent infantalizing her.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
And I think also, you know you mentioned her voice,
but also if you're treated, because part of what Dede
did was to garner this attention. She had sort of
trips to Disneyland that were granted to her, and she
would say, oh, you know, my Gypsy, and she just
loves cartoons and Disney. And she did also infantalize her.

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
So they got a free house, remember they got that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Yes, yes, So it's I really struggle with Gypsy Rose
because I did too, you know, did she? I agree,
she fully manipulated her boyfriend, who had an incredibly low IQ.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
And therefore, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
We we go to sort of legal competency. He was
sort of on the verge of it, I would say.
And but also in your talkback you mentioned she manipulated
him and controlled the situation.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
She absolutely did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
She also grew up knowing nothing else, right now, that's
a good point.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
She grew she grew up knowing nothing else. She only
really understood lies and manipulation, right she didn't. I mean,
I'm sure Didi loved her. I'm sure and I'm sure
Gypsy Rose loved her mother as well, but you know,
it really twisted and manipulated kind of love, right, not
like you know, quote unquote normal mother daughter relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
And so her.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
Idea of love at that time. She might be healed now,
but her idea of love at the time was manipulating people,
because that's all she.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Ever knew, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
And then also she did Gypsy Rose did try to
escape this hell that she was in. And I don't
use the term hell lightly again. You're being tortured by
medical by surgeries you don't need. So she attempted to
escape in twenty eleven, but immediately Mom DEDI tracked her

(01:13:32):
down and she was punished. And it wasn't until four
years later that she then that Gypsy Rose then enlisted
her online boyfriend into murdering.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
He traveled to her home in I think Missouri, right, Missouri,
I think that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
He traveled yep.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
So during they had a two year Gypsy Rose and
her online boyfriend, Nicholas, they had a two year relationship
and to kill her ultimately, and that was with the
hopes of Gypsy Rose being free and then being together.
And he traveled to Missouri. He ultimately did stab d
D seventeen times in her sleep. Gypsy Rose hid in

(01:14:15):
her bedroom, and.

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
You know, they released those crime scene photos of vd's murder,
and I think that's when the tide started shifting for
Gypsy Rose, when people saw how brutal the attack was
like with their own eyes. And I think that's when
the public started kind of shifting a little bit in
their opinion of Gypsy Rose, because remember when she was released,

(01:14:39):
everyone was like, yeah, Gypsy, go Gypsy, And she was
talking about her husband, Oh yeah, he does me well,
and you know whatever, being kind of vulgar and you know,
playing up her popularity. And now she wants to rebrand.
She doesn't like it, right, she doesn't like that. Now
she wants to be the scene as this professional mother

(01:15:00):
doing whatever business she's going to be doing. I'm not
going to promote it, but you know, she she wants
What did she say? I decided to shift gears because
I got tired of people constantly trying tying my name
to my past. I started to crave a more private
life and wanted to redirect my energy. Okay, okay, interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
You know what do you guys think? Eight A eight
three one crime. We would love to hear your thoughts
on Gypsy Rose and are based on the talk back.
How you think you know, she has been treated publicly
between her and the Menendez brothers, And I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
I got to say, I'm a.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Little suspicious of a public announcement about wanting a private
life versus kind of quietly going ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
And yeah, I think she I think she was fine
having this very public life when she was like going
on all these talk shows and getting all this attention
and millions and millions of views on her social media's
that were you know, she's raking in the cash. And
then she went through this breakup with her boyfriend or
her husband, I'm sorry, and started dating the guy that

(01:16:07):
she really loved and of course had a baby with him.
She loved all that. But when the public started shifting
a little bit, going, oh, Gypsy, you know, you're a
little bit of a scallywag, you know, I think that's
when she was, you know, I don't know, I just
pull it out, you know. I think the I think
she started being like, well, maybe this this attention isn't
so great. And now she's got a daughter, right, she's

(01:16:30):
got a little baby. You know, congratulations to her for
that beautiful little girl, and she's probably just like, yeah,
this isn't the life for me. Maybe it's just growing
up too. Who knows, Maybe it's just her. It could
coming of age.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
And entering society, being in society, which arguably she never was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
I mean, she was entrapped in her mother's house and
she had a.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
Sneak on the internet. Remember she had that lap top
and then like her she would have that phone and
she her mom didn't know about it. Yeah, she she
really had a very sheltered life. I mean in her Listen,
I'm not saying that Dede was a great mother in
that Gypsy didn't have the best childhood obviously obviously, yes,
you know, but she I just feel like, you know,

(01:17:16):
she maybe could have run it, or you've tried to
stay away, told her dad what was going on something.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Yeah right, all right, listen, And I know you said
that you're not going to promote her business, but taha,
do you know what this business is?

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
I'm just I'm just curious.

Speaker 7 (01:17:29):
At this point, it looks like she has a blown
beauty art so it's some sort of artistic technique she
uses to blow dry hair, some sort of blow dryer art.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
I think it more all right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
As a reminder, if you missed any part of the show,
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(01:18:05):
also call it any time. It doesn't have to be
live on the radio because we have a voicemail set
up and we will get your message and you'll be
on the show that way. So anyway, it's kind of cool,
lots of different ways.

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
That one's actually pretty popular. With the voicemails. I've been
pretty happy with them. Yeah, I'm stoked about it. Yeah
I am.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
We'll come in and.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
They're like, oh, we have six voicemails and I'm like,
oh my god, yay. Yeah, it's great. I love it fabulous.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Also, we wanted to clarify, so at the very end,
I got morbidly curious and asked Taha about Gypsy roses business, and.

Speaker 7 (01:18:42):
Yeah, I was incorrect. I mentioned the word hair with
her blow dry her company. It's blown beauty art and
I saw the word blow dryer, so I assumed hair.
But the correction is she applies acrylic paint to a
canvas manipulates it with a blow dryer, so it gives
it some sort of a unique abstract look. And in
her own words, this art gives me peace and it

(01:19:03):
kind of centers me. So correction about that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Well, whatever moved you, whatever, I'll leave it there. I
think you had an update.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
For us body.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
Well, do you guys, did you guys watch that documentary
Chimp Crazy?

Speaker 7 (01:19:24):
Loved it?

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
I so did Indian and I watched it. We were like,
we couldn't stop watching it. Well, Tanya Haddocks, she was
featured in that documentary. She was the one that was
hiding the chimp.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Uh huhh.

Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
She's fifty five years old. She's an exotic animal broker,
and she was convicted for lying to the federal judge
about the death of her Champanzee Tonka, who was also
featured in this documentary, whom she was hiding in her basement. Haddock,
who calls herself the Dolly Parton of Chimps, pled guilty
to perjury and obstruction of justice in March, and was

(01:19:57):
arrested in July for harboring yet another ape and her
misery home. Well, she was sentenced today to forty six
months in prison, and I'm telling you right now, she
deserves every second of it period.

Speaker 7 (01:20:12):
I'm with you one hundred percent. I saw the treatment
of Tonka and that documentary, and she deserves it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:18):
I believe she absolutely loves these these animals, I do.
I believe she loves them, but she loves them like
to death right, very inappropriate. I don't think they were
treated well. They were obviously not being well maintained. I
just don't listen in any capacity. I don't like wild

(01:20:39):
animals in cages in any capacity. They shouldn't be in
cagu they shouldn't be in cagous. They shouldn't be in cageous. However,
if they are, they need to be treated a certain way.
And she was feeding them like big macs.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Like it If they are in a cage, which I
agree with you, they should not be in someone's basement.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
There's no universe in which a chimp live in their
best life.

Speaker 5 (01:21:01):
These are social animals. These are you know, they live
in with their families. Yeah, they live with other chimps.
They're not meant to be alone. Imagine being in solitary
confinement your entire life. We do that to people who
kill people, you know, and we're doing these to chimps,
the smart animals. No, I'm against it. I don't like it.

(01:21:23):
And she lied about his location because she's a selfish
be And I'm glad she got put in prison.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
I wish you could speak your momd body.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
I really, that's the one thing I'll never be accused
of is not telling you how I feel exactly, exactly
how do you feel? Let us know, Let us know.
Even if he disagrees me, I want to hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
We love being with you, guys, and we will be
back on Sunday, and thank goodness, we will be back
with Stephanie Lydecker and we will also have Joseph Scott
Morgan with us. Have a beautiful weekend, Keep safe and
good night.

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
Good night,

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