'Sit Up Straight When I’m Talking to You’: Families of Idaho Student Murder Victims Address Killer Kohberger at Sentencing; Plus, Dopey Dentist Trial Continues as Fellow Inmates Testify About a Conspiracy Behind Bars

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. And while we have a huge,
stacked knight of headlines, tonight's kind of a different one
for us.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Here.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Brian Colberger, the accused and admitted killer I should rephrase
in the Idaho student murders, was in court today and
was sentenced once and for all and was forced to
face family members as they read their victim statements and
speaking for myself, it was one of the saddest things

(00:53):
I've seen. And we're going to unpack that and much
more later in the show. Jarrett Farantino, who is that
extraordinary trial attorney who also appeared in the documentary on
Peacock about the same case, is also going to be
joining us to break down some of the legal ease
in this case, because even the President would agree something

(01:15):
just feels off about it. So here we are. I'm
Stephanie Leidecker. I head up KAT Studios, where I get
to make true crime podcasts. And documentaries and I get
to be here every night with Courtney Armstrong and body
Move In and here we go. Here's a clip from
today's hearing from Kallie Gonzalvez's sister. Kally Gonzalvez is one

(01:38):
of the victims, and her sister Olivia couldn't have said
things better. I mean, you know, this is Boddy. I
if I didn't know any better, I would say she
hired an expert to talk to him. The way that
she talked to him is the only way to talk
to him.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
She was a powerhouse. I was so touched by everybody
you know that that spoke today. And when Olivia got
up there there were no tears. She wasn't trembling. She
was steadfast, and she told him exactly who he is.
And I want to say, and I don't know, maybe

(02:17):
this is just what I want to think, but I
want to say it was really the only reaction he had.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
All day was to her words.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
And it was just kind of like a squirmy right,
like a she had a number, she has it number, yeah,
and it was she did not power and she.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Was And by the way, all of the victims statements
were all of them were great, incredibly all of them,
and we'll play some throughout the show. Rest assured, but
that one, honestly, you know, to Olivia who had the
grace and the fortitude and the dignity and the integrity
to stand there. It was a real masterclass. Even just
hearing it again, and you know, we've watched it live,

(02:56):
we've been talking about it all day, it makes my buckle.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, you know, I watched this alone, and now that
I'm watching and hearing it and revisiting this now with friends,
I'm a little emotional.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I'm a little emotional. Same. We're all kind of and
you know, exact same time.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
We didn't even know these girls and Ethan, right, we
didn't know them. We didn't of course, we're not connected
to them in any way. But you know, over the
course of the last two and a half years, we've
gotten to know this family and through them, have really
learned about how special these these people were that were murdered.
And we all feel just tremendously sad and kind of

(03:37):
also like this chapter is closing.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
This was Brian Coberger's legal funeral.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Correct well, and even several of the family members who
gave their victims impact statements. Several people mentioned that the
world now knows Yea, these guys, they know Kiley Gonsalves
and Madison Wogan and Sana Cronodle and Ethan Shapin, and
they know them and they love them, and you know

(04:05):
that is what stands out as part of a legacy.
But Olivia just I couldn't agree more with you, guys.
Her poise was unbelievable, her telling the murderer sit up
straight when I talked to you.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yes, sit up straight when I saw you, sit up
straight when I talked to you, because he was.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
He was.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
And by the way, if you're not familiar with this case,
we've talked about it a lot. But I don't want
to take that for granted. Brian Coberger had been claiming
his innocence for two and a half years in the
Idaho student murders, and basically back in twenty twenty two,
you know, four incredible young people were murdered, slaughtered, I

(04:52):
might add, in their off Pampus house. There were two
surviving roommates, thank god, and there was a hunt worldwide
and we all wanted answers and when we got the guy,
when the person was arrested, turns out it was this
PhD student from the town next door going to a

(05:13):
neighboring university, and it just didn't add up, right, was
it just? We were all voracious looking for answers. We
wanted the guy internally here at KT. We struggled because
we wanted to make sure he wasn't getting convicted in
the press. And what a bunch of fools. Not only
did he did it, he confessed to all four to

(05:36):
save his own life, and therefore he will not be
getting the death sentence trial that was initially anticipated to
be happening in August. He waited to the bitter end,
just until the filing was due to sort of say sure,
I did it. And he hasn't given an explanation, nor

(05:56):
has he been forced to, so we're no wiser. We
just us know that he will spend the end of
his days, hopefully in a really dark place, and let
that begin as soon as possible. So sorry, court, back
to you will to your point really quick.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
He's been transferred to the prison already, it's already happened.
The website's been updated, The Idaho Department of Corrections has
custody of him, and he has been transferred and is
probably on a bus right now as of two pm
two h two pm Mountain standard time, Mountain daylight.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I don't know what it is MDT M on his way.
And maybe we take a little bit of Steve Gonzalveez's
two cents about calling him BK. Yeah, maybe this will
be one of the last times we talk about him,
and Brian Coberger is the killer of four incredible students,
and we're going to refer to him as BK because

(06:50):
I do think that's a really valid point. Is he
loving the celebrity of it all? Is he loving the
limelight because his fifteen minutes of fame is yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Well, and that's exactly what Judge Hipler said. Obviously you saw,
but quoting him, Judge Hippler, really he did not say
a lot, but everything he said was unbelievable and spot on,
including the time has come now to end mister Coberger's
fifteen minutes of fame. And he talked about him slithering

(07:24):
through the sliding glass, which is allegedly how BKA got
in to slaughter these four children.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
I mean, they were past eighteen, but barely so.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Anyway, I think the judge really did an unbelievable job.
And listen, we want to hear from any of you,
either if you saw the victim's impact statements today and
want to say anything about them, or if you have
any questions. We have watched all of it. We're at
eighty to eighty three one crime, and we'd love to
hear from you because I think everyone really is in

(08:00):
a state of mourning, yeah, honestly.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
And maybe we all needed that, just you know, collectively. Right,
it's like a permission to have a real good cry,
all of us, not just here at KT, not just
amongst us friends, and not just amongst listeners, like the
whole country and hopefully the world. Like took a second
to really take in how wonderful these young people were,
and how promising their lives were, and how loved they were.

(08:25):
And you know, listen to hear so many of the
family members really spreading forgiveness and love and kindness and
light is a level that I'm not even sure I'm at.
And we just made a podcast in the documentary, I
feel like these are family members. Can you imagine the
a level of grace for the actual family members. It's

(08:50):
really just a testament to the human spirit. And you know,
just as a reminder of the stuff that we all
complain about or stress about, or this is too tight,
or that is too fast, or we missed, we're late,
whatever the things are, and our lists are all really long,
right myself, you know, we get stirred up and then
you hear these incredible humans and they have this fortitude

(09:14):
to push on and to see a better day ahead.
And I don't know, maybe we all just needed to
like get the perspective that this may be offered. Perspective
is right, I'm speaking for myself. I guess no, it
is true. It is true.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
You look at all of the family members of these
victims and how they can go on and to use
your word with such grace. Xanna Kernodle's aunt him stood
out to me in a particular way and a few
things she said, and we're looking at transcript, was you
united And this was her speaking directing this to b K.

(09:53):
And she was one of the yeah, and she made
that very clear, and she said, you united us with
your actions. We have family and friends now that we
never knew we had. I am here today to tell
you that I have forgiven you because I no longer
could live with that hate in my heart.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
It takes. There's a lot of power and forgivness right,
and I don't look at I'm covered in chills.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I get checked up. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Sorry, We're not basket cases. We're going to pull in
the energy, I promise, and it's gonna We're gonna like
check it out the door. But it's really hard to
not be affected by this. Listen, we talk about really
sad things every night, and not just to just talk
about them for the fun of it. We talk about
it to hopefully keep ourselves safe in the world. And
this is like that quintessential case where stranger danger just

(10:40):
some clown who you know, wanted what he couldn't have
and so senseless. And this is also a guy who had,
you know, my all accounts a pretty bright future had
he just stuck to the program and remained a human,
and instead so senselessly to see him sitting there so
callously with no response, slouched in his chair. When Olivia

(11:04):
said that Kaylee Gonsalvez's incredible sister, it was so he
was gonna scarey point. He got scormy, not like not
super obvious, but as much as it can be from
somebody who was given it was nothing.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
And I think it was obvious for us who have
been like staring at him and studying it for so
many years now, and the obvious like uncomfortableness that he
was having with Olivia. I was beaming with pride with
for her. Yeah, and you know who else. I was
really proud of Dylan. Dylan, if you don't know, she's

(11:42):
the surviving roommate, she almost gonna get emotional.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
And we're like, A is like, and this is really
we've never all tried ive.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
She she saw Brian Coberger, she described him to police.
Uh luckily was spared, thank god. And she walked into
court and she asked to sit. And I was so
appreciative that Bill Thompson kind of like scooted it over
a little bit. He's the prosecutor, kind of scooted over

(12:12):
a little bit so to block Brian Koberger from viewing
her or or hit or her from viewing him. I
just and she spoke and she told her, she told
her truth. And I was just so proud of her
because that took a lot of guts.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
It took a lot of guts. It took a lot
of guts to report the guy with the bushy eyebrows too.
By the way, they also their surviving roommates took a
lot of slack in the media. Absolutely did you know,
not from us. We've been of that, but never from us,
you know. But that really was a moment where I
was like, I talk about a pile on. Why is
everybody being so tough on the roommates like they survived?

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Yeah, and and they you know, spoke today. Listen, we're
going to have more on the BK sentence hearing, and
I think more importantly on the victim's impact statements that
were so powerful. Jarrett Farentino, legal expert of Short Narrows,
joining us later.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
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So listen, we've been a little somber. If you haven't

(14:02):
heard BK Brian Coburger, but we're going to refer to
him as BK moving forward. The killer in the Idaho
student murders was in court today and sentenced to lots
of life behind bars. As you may remember, he was
set to stand trial a death sentenced trial in August

(14:24):
and decided to change his little plea and has now
pled guilty to all four counts and the murders of
Ethan Chapin, Kaylie Gonzalveez, oh my goodness, Madison Mogan, and
of course Aner Kernodle. Now keep in mind the victims
and their families, have the victims' families and even surviving roommates,

(14:46):
et cetera, have said their peace today and if you
haven't had a moment to check it out, it's it's
next level human and we all should not only watch
we'll obviously be playing clips throughout the night, but it's
really something so incredibly powerful and Brian Cobra Worker will

(15:06):
hopefully only see a couple of minutes of light a day,
and life is about to get really hard. Our energy
has been lifted from sadness to oh that's right, I
forgot and Olivia, who is Kaylee Gonzalveez's one of the
victim's sister, I think she put it best, and hearing

(15:27):
her again, we're starting to feel a little differently. And
that is so true, And it is so true. You
know what a squirmy, low life hunk who snuck in
the night, slithered to a glass door and then murdered
four people and then went back to class just right

(15:50):
after and acted like a teacher's assistant getting his PhD
in criminology and the exact same thing he was accused of.
And this guy kept it all together and lied to
the world for two and a half years. So may
he get his and our hearts are so with the
Gonzalvez family and Madison Mogan's family, and even Chapin's family,

(16:13):
and of course Xana Karnotle's family, so a little what
what for all of them?

Speaker 6 (16:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (16:18):
And another Olivia. I feel like, first of all, she
mentioned how you know, went back to class. I believe
one of the things that Olivia talked about was trying
to be so smart and being persnicoty about grammar, but
even going to these tiny insecurities like you think you're
so smart because you took an IQ test online in
twenty ten or you you know, it was so specific

(16:45):
and body, I think you were the one who mentioned
because this guy he was like a statue. I mean,
stoic is the word that I've read a hundred times,
which I guess is it the cowards cement or cowardly,
But it was when Olivia was speaking to him and
in her words, seeing through him. You literally I had

(17:06):
my face about two inches from the screen watching and
you could just see the barely perceptible like one eye twitching.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah that's right, Yeah, that is extraordinarily right. And by
the way, you know, being wildly debated, is he did
not have to, you know, give any reasoning, he respectfully
declined when asked if he had a comment. So listen,
we're no closer to the facts right, the who, what, where?

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Why?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
All of this stuff that we all wanted answers to.
I guess that will probably never happen. And it's a
hard pill to swallow for a lot of people, including
the family members. But boy did he have to take
it today. And you know what, as we're talking about it,
let's like wipe away the sad, get a little mad
and enough is enough of the b K for that matter.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
I want to I'm going to read a couple things
that Olivia said. That's okay, yeah, please, I do feel
I do feel somber. I feel and I know I
want to shake it and get the energy back up.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I know. So I just want to read a couple
of things that she said.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Okay, Wow, if you were really smart, do you think
you'd be here right now?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
The truth is your basic Let me be clear.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Don't ever try to convince yourself you matter just because
somebody finally said your name out loud yep, I mean.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
And by the way, it's bananas, you know, because you know,
we make the podcast the Idaho Massacre and then the
documentary that's airing now on peacap and listen, that's been
the thing that was the biggest takeaway, This was an
ordinary guy that was looked over and looked over. And
this is not an excuse, but he was that guy
that was sort of unremarkable by every level, and maybe

(18:50):
this was his way of feeling remarkable. We interviewed, for example,
one of his former classmates, meaning somebody who was in
his class who shall remain nameless. Well in was in
his class while he was the teacher's assistant in the
days leading up to the murders and the days after,
and to Olivia's point, this guy was like a real

(19:12):
like uh, he was like the nightmare ta, like the
nightmare we've all had that teacher that's like red line,
red line, red line, red line, correcting every little thing,
like you know, like the neurotic, annoying, Like nobody wanted
to go to like student hours with him because he
was just so annoying, is how we interpreted this. And
then after the murders, he was giving everybody straight a's,

(19:34):
including the girl that we interviewed. She was getting c's
because he was such a hard grater, even though she
was like an A plus student in every other class.
And then after he was giving oh, a plus plus,
he was still like reading things and not just like
breezing through it. He was still circling things and being
like his persninkity self, but was giving a's And by
the way, we were like, well, there's no way somebody

(19:55):
could kill four people and then roll into class the
next day and start grading papers and giving a plus
plus is by the way, turns out that's not accurate.
I was way off. I was wrong, and he was
having like a release of excitement happiness. Maybe he was
just more gleeful. And think about how messed up that is. Like,

(20:16):
knowing what we know now in retrospect, it's even more
messed up that thumbs up picture. Can you describe it?

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Please?

Speaker 4 (20:25):
So after the murders of about five hours after the murders,
he well, first of all, he apparently went back to
the house for nine minutes, and we don't know exactly
where he was during those nine minutes, if he was
in his car, if he was looking around for the sheath,
we don't know. And then he went back to his

(20:46):
apartment and you know, he's calling his dad or his
mom for that hour, and he took a picture and
did a little thumbs up in his buttoned down white shirt. Looking,
you know, like professional. We don't know who he sent
it to. We don't know anythings I should say I
should mention. The Moscow Police Department has released three hundred

(21:09):
and fourteen documents, police reports, log entries. I've gone through
about two hundred of them so far. I've still have
a lot more to read. You know, it's only been
you've been named and in the way, so let's just
stop that in them.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, like body has been named in these documents, and
how has she been named in them? Because she's her
and a super sleuth and of relevance.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
I think it's because I foided the nine one one call.
I think that's but I again, did I did too?
Oh well than urinim too? Then maybe I'll look and see.
I don't know, but yeah, I've gone through a couple
one hundred of them and.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
I just skimming them.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
And one of the things that we learned though in
these documents already is that Brian Coberger had a big
scratch on his face that some but he noted and
asked him what happened, and he said he got in
a car accident.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
What I didn't know that, Yeah, I absolutely did not
know that.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
There's no lot, you guys, a lot. No covering it obviously.
I mean, just because the case is over doesn't mean
we're never going to talk about it. But you know,
we need some time. I don't want to present something,
you know, hastily, right right, I want to like, oh,
guess what, guys, guess what we learned, you know, because
we have to go through everything meticulously.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Right.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
They were not there for the car garbage. So yeah,
stay tuned for more on that. And if you have
any thoughts on anything that we're giving or talking about,
give us a call at eight eight thirty one Crime
or use the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. So yeah,
another thing that she said that I kind of wanted
to read to kind of get us, you know, back in.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
The bus Olivia you're referring to, Yeah, sister, Yeah, no,
Katy Gonsolva's sister.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Yeah, it's okay, No, it's a let me find it
really quick. Sit up straight. We already did that one.
Why did you choose my sisters before making your move?
Did you approach my sisters? Did you tell what you
were thinking and feeling before leaving the home? And she
was doing these things because of the Reddit survey Brian
Coberger did exactly. She was she was mimicking him, and
I loved it because it's like it's an inside thing, right,

(23:23):
it's she's speaking, she's making fun of him.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Mm hmmm yeah, and like the gloves are off, because
I think everybody on here, we've all been really sensitive
about making sure that he's not getting like tried in
the press all of the things. And now that we
know the truth, fm f him. And by the way,
I sky, yeah exactly SBK, right, I mean, yes, that

(23:53):
is sort of the lead. And by the way, where
he's going just rest assured doesn't sound so great. You know, body,
what's your ta on what the conditions that our BK
will be in?

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Well, another thing we learned in the documents is that
he was quite annoying in jail. Yes, neaty he was.
He was annoying the other inmates. So I have a
feeling he'll be in protective custody for quite some time
because the nature of what gives you that, well, because
I follow a lot of prison people on YouTube, and

(24:25):
that's what they say, and they also say that it's
very likely he will be recruited into some sort of
you know, white gang, giving his notoriety, so it is
possible that he might have a little life of luxury too,
and in some sort of gang.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Really is that a life of luxury? I saw a
little walk and talk on I believe it was news
Nation of his soon to be living conditions, and they
did not look so luxurious. It doesn't seem like there's
wi fi, doesn't seem like there's a lot of sunlight.
It doesn't seem like there's a lot of exercise much.
I mean admiration like private crew or something.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
There's due to the notoriety of his crimes and the
nature of what he did. But there are people who
also say that he's going to be, you know, tortured
due to the nature of his crime.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
So I don't really know. It depends on what side
of prison YouTube you watch, you know. I guess I've
seen the shots shape Redemption and it does not look
like a fun entry. No, it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Well, don't go anywhere. We're going to be continuing this
conversation and later in the show we're going to have
Jared Farantino trial attorney, who's going to give us some
insight to the legal things that happen today. Give us
a call a day, eight thirty one Crime. Keep it
right here on True Crime Tonight, We're we're talking true
crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
night with Body Moven and Court me Armstrong. And what
an emotional day it has been. We're all feeling a
little angsty and a little mad. Brian Coburger BK. We're
going to call him BK, the killer in the Idaho
student murders, showed his face in court today and he

(26:15):
had to face some of the music, at least some
of the victims and the victims' families, i should say,
and some of the surviving roommates. And if you haven't
been following this case for incredible students murdered in off
campus housing, by now we know Brian Coburger BKA himself.

(26:35):
And it was pretty harrowing stuff because we've all been
following this case for two and a half years. Lots
of documents have just been released, so body can speak
to that, most because she's actually named in some of
these documents. So more on that for sure, But you know,
we're trying to turn sadness into might, So we want
to hear from you eight eight eight three one crime.

(26:57):
Please tell us how you're feeling, and we are finding
a little energy with each other. So pull up a chair,
join the conversation. Let's go to a talk back, because
I feel like this will set the mood.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
Hey, ladies, after watching the sentencing today, First and foremost,
I just want to say how inspired and amazed I
was by the grace and poise and strength of the
families as they faced Coburger in court. But I also
just want to see what you guys had to make
of his demeanor and how he carried himself in the
court room. I thought he just looked totally detached and

(27:31):
cold and didn't show any signs of guilt or remorse.

Speaker 8 (27:35):
What do you guys think.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Well, that's a really great observation. Yeah, you know what,
he is detached and devoid of emotion exactly. That's exactly
who he is. That's a psychopath, right, Okay, that is
a psychopath at its core. They do not feel the
same emotion that the rest of us do. So we're
so desperate, myself specifically, is so desperate to understand why.
But it's an unanswerable question, right, we were chasing the

(27:58):
dragon on that one, and maybe some things will never
add up, Courtney, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (28:04):
I literally do not know how those family members were
able to comport themselves any and all of them. Looking
at BKA's smug face as he sat there, the only
one tiny thing that made me happy about his appearance
was the orange jumpsuit, the as Bill Thompson, prosecutor said,

(28:26):
belly chain and handcuffs, versus coming in there looking like,
you know, a junior.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
What was on the table in front of him?

Speaker 3 (28:33):
No?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Wait, what's that? What was that? Exactly? I'm so glad
we're talking about this.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
What I wanted to ask you it was? It was
a black black heart.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
It was like a like he drew it or something.
I'm so curious about this because what is the messaging?
And I guess he has a black heart and we
know that is which means I guess, no heart. But
what was that? And what a cowardly thing there? Asked him? Finally, Hey,
what are you going to say for yourself? Do you
want to respond? Do you have something to say? Do

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you have some remorse to share? You know, obviously this
is I'm exaggerating the many times this. You know, he
was asked this and his quote was, I respectfully decline.
I almost threw the television again. What were you expecting, though,
I mean, we talked about this last night. I was expecting.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
I'm so sorry. Oh my gosh, No, that is not
who BK is. I know, it's so hard to demand
him to be normal because he's not.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
It will never happen. It will never happen.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
And one thing we saw in on the podcast. You know,
we covered this Courtney, you and I did when we
were making the podcast. I guess it was season one
when we talked to a school official that was in
his high school and in his high school. I'm paraphrase
and I'll give it to you quickly, but basically he was
in this like weird pop program. We had this in
my high school. It's called Boci's and he could kind

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of choose like a trade. You could be a hairdresser
or you could be a police officer. He was like
the weird kid that was like boom boom boom, I
want to be I ah, I'm the star. He was
like desperate to be like the number one classmen in
this really prestigious police program in high school. How great.
And then somebody, two of Fellow's students who shall remain nameless,

(30:18):
got real something's they got a spidey sense. They had
a bad interaction, and they reported him, and he was
therefore kicked out of that program, no longer able to
be a cop, and he chose to spend his senior
year at home. This is pre COVID. This is when
like at home learned everyone went to schooling, everybody went
to school. So his senior year was in solitude because

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he was essentially booted for either being a weirdo. And
by the way, we've questioned this, we were like, oh,
was we're maybe was he being bullied by, you know,
maybe some mean students or did those students spot a
what would be mass murderer slash serial co and they
identified it? And was that his cross section between I'm

(31:05):
going to be a good guy, I'm going to be
a bad guy.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
We'll never know because he's too much of a coward
to actually speak up. Go ahead, go ahead, Darty, I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Oh what just on the talk back when they said,
you know, how what do you think about how the
family delbwin facing them, and I have to say. The
person who's maybe shoes I felt I would be closest
fit in was Xana's stepfather, Randy Davis. Yeah, and he
I have again where we have transcripts and he said,

(31:38):
I don't know what my limits are here, but I'm
really struggling. I want to be out in the woods
with you so I can teach you about loss and pain.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I love God.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
I would not take your life, that's up to him,
but I guarantee you you are weak.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
You're going to hell. You're evil. There is no place
for you in heaven.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
And then he said, I'm shaking because I want to
reach out to you.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
I hope you feel my energy. All right, go to hell.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, and let's talk about what you know. What one
of the other victims sisters said about his time in
prison will be like, what's that clip number?

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Uh, producer tah, do you have that clip number four?

Speaker 3 (32:19):
I think it is?

Speaker 2 (32:22):
And that I mean, does that not say at all?
Have you not seen what happens in prison? We've all
made plenty of prillars in shows. Bodies seems to have
probably an Excel sheet about it and is watching it now,
I do know, but you know, entry is not sweet
on those who take the lives of young women or children.
It is a tough spot. And he is not going
to a spa and that's the good thing. Nobody else

(32:43):
I really.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Loved about today was when Steve Gonsalves, the father one
of the victims, yes, got up there. So the podium
for those who haven't seen it, the podium was sort
of facing the judge. Okay, he turned, He physically turned
the podium very abruptly, I might add, to face b
K and he was literally point like talking directly to him.

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And you know what that call to action? Do we
get to work? Do you know that they're the ones
who found the grubhub video, the Gonzales family, So when
they say they got to work, they're not lying. They
got to work. And you know, every everybody handles this
kind of situation differently, and I can't help but feel
I would be very much like they were.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Like, very proactive. I think you, for certain, both of
you would. I believe honestly, I'm not going to.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Leave this in the hands of police that who don't
care about me, you know, like I'm gonna you know.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
You got to step up and step up, step up.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
And you know sometimes that does need to happen. And
God bless them. You know, they got to work and
they put their grief to work.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
It is so true. I couldn't agree with you more.
By the way, Stephen Gonzalvez has been like the mighty
father that we all want, right, Like he's all of
the fathers have been tremendous, but he's so outspoken, and
he's like he's out front in front of a courthouse
and he's ready to give him hell. His son Gonzo,
how he's affectionately referred to Stephen Gonzalvez Junior. Also, you know,

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worked with us on the documentary that we made, and
they really do have a spirit and a fight in them.
And look, I also worry that you know now that
there's this record scratch ending of a day. I know
we all feel sort of like, now, what, you know,
where do you put that anger or you know? And
I am very confident they're going to put it to
great things, and that he will never let his daughter's

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name or any of their names, all four of them
equally not be heard and not be remembered. And a
lot of love and light to all of them because
boy one after the other, one after the other, finding forgiveness.
I don't know that. I'm not sure that. I don't know.
I know, may we all not have to be in

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that position, but it's a tough spot.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
I just I mean it.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
He just moved, he picked up that podium and he
was like, huh uh, I'm gonna face this guy.

Speaker 9 (35:06):
I just had.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
It was very empowering.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
So we have another clip that the guys are going
to pull up in a minute. This is another one
from Steve Gonsalves. It's clip number seven. But body, while
it's being pulled up, what grub hub video were you
referring to?

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Are you talking about.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
The grub truck? The the truck video truck?

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Excuse me? I got confused with the door.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
I could say grub Hub, I didn't. I meant to say,
you meant that the food try. I heard it food.
So there was this infamous truck. There was this like
final footage basically of Kayley Gonsolves and Madison Mogan, who,
by the way, were childhood best friends, the two blonde
ones that you see in the photograph so iconically and
after a night of you know, being out and about
in university. They went, as college students do, to this

(35:52):
like food truck and it was super late in the morning,
you know, it was like wee hours and they were
just like a twitch stream exactly, and that truck has
a twitch stream. And Steven Gonzalvee's dad, this guy's like
a detective. He found that footage and he's the one. Yeah,
so Oli, it takes a village, It takes a village.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
I just love that they got to work. They were
gonna do everything they could to. You know, Maddie May
Kaylee's best friend was also a victim, and she was
like a daughter to them, so it feels like they
lost to daughters and sisters right like they.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Grew up together.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
They were not going to let this just kind of
be handled on their own and just you know, sit
in the background, which by the way, is fine to
do as well, of course, you know what I mean,
Like obviously, but they just were just you know, and
we're gonna play that clip when we come back.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Stay with us. We have a lot more coming up.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
We kind of want to highlight some bits and pieces
that we found throughout today's hearing that we want to
play for you that we found touching or moving or
even just get us fired up and listen.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
We're breaking down all things that happened in the courtroom
today with b K killer Ryan Coburger, who is as
we speak, en route to his forever home in prison
with very little sunlight, possibly in solitary confinement for a
very very very long time. If you haven't been following,
he was in court and has been sentenced officially and

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had to face family members and surviving victims in the
courtroom and their impact statements were bananas moving. Ain't that
the truth? Bk F, bk F. Let's get a trendy
hashtag FBK Okay, you know we have another talkback actually

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talkback number four.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Guys.

Speaker 8 (37:41):
Hey, girls, I'm loving the show. So I was just wondering,
what do you think prison will be like for Brian Colberger, Like,
do you think he'll get what he deserves or maybe
even get special treatment?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Great question.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
I don't know, you know, like I said, it really
kind of depends on what prisoners you listen to. There
are documents they've they've released from the Moscow p D
are they interviewed some of the inmates that he was
housed with and they say he was very annoying. He
was washing his hands all the time, he was pacing
in his cell. He would take hour long showers and.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Yes, stayed up all night, would take naps during the day,
and just pace all night long.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
And then I guess, I don't think he's gonna make
it that behavior. Is that surprising to you guys he's annoying.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
No, not at all, And that's not surprising to me
one bit, not at all. You know what else we
learned well to answer the talkback question. We don't know
great question though, I mean, what do you think.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Is if you were just going to get if you
were going to guess, if I was going to guess,
I would I'm going to say he's going to be
in protective custody for quite some time, and he's going
to be alone. That's my guess. Being alone is not
so fun when you're used to a little notoriety and
you've had access to Wi Fi and listening to podcasts. Well,
I think he's still gonna have that. They can get

(39:03):
tablets for like a hundred bucks in prison, and even
in this prison, I thought he wasn't going to be
able to have a tablet. Oh no, he's going to
have a tablet.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yes, you don't even have a tablet. How is it
possible that BK is going to have a tablet? I
honestly literally don't have a tablet. How is that not
have a tablet? I know we were talking about this
last night because I just I don't know because they're expensive,
and that's why. But Brian Koberger brought Brian Enton.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Excuse me, Brian Nton, our friend, Brian Nenton went to
the super worship We love him news daddy. He went
to the super Max yesterday and did truro the prison
and they showed it. Here's the tablet he's going to
be able to get for a hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
So makes me mad. So yeah, he's going to be
able to read all about himself. Absolutely. M my goodness, Fortney,
what are you thinking over there?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
You know if.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
Wishing made it so, I am thinking a lot of
things that probably you can't say on the radio and
not get a little bit of fine.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
But I.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
You know, I love the phrase may you reap, but
you so? And I hope he kay gets everything he
deserves and I hope he gets that multiple times every
day of the rest of what I hope is a
really excruciatingly long life.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
That's my hope.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
That's your hope. Well, we wish you. I second that hope. Yeah,
I hope he you know, I don't know. I just
hope he's I hope. Here's what I hope.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
I hope he somehow rehabilitates and realizes the damage he's
caused and is remorseful and gives the family some answers.
I know that's not gonna happen, but that's my hope.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Fair I second that hope too, And we hope you'll
keep with us because we're going to be back right
after the break. We have Jarrett Farantino, the trial attorney
that we love. He will be joining us to break
down some of the legal ease. This is true Crime Tonight.

(41:06):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on Iiheart Radio. Oh,
we're talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker
and I had a Kat Studios where we make true
crime podcasts like The Idaho Massacre on iHeart, and also
documentaries like the one currently streaming on Peacock, the Idaho
Student Murders. All of this feels wildly relevant because If

(41:27):
you haven't been paying attention to the news today, no problem,
we are here.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
We got you. BK.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Brian Coberger, the killer in the Idaho student murders, was
in court today and officially sentenced. He will never see
the light of day again, except for in little, small
doses perhaps when he's let out of hopefully solitary confinement
and he had to face the music and family members
and the surviving victims. And despite what we all think,

(41:56):
which is, oh my, it's crazy making because he didn't
give us anything. He didn't tell us anything, He didn't
give us the where the murder weapon would be some
of these unanswered questions. There is an upside to their
not being a death sentenced trial in August, and that
is we get documents at last. You know, so many
things are being held under lock and key by law

(42:17):
enforcement and attorneys for very good reason because you know,
it's a trial and it's a very important one. So
there's been a lot of details that we just have
not had access to. And tonight those documents have been shared,
so we're getting fast through them as quickly as possible.
You could imagine, body movin is all over it, and

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we will be continuing this conversation throughout the hour, but
also in the coming days as new information is revealed.
So we like to jump Jarrett Farantino that are in
trial attorney. You'll also recognize him from the Peacock documentary.
He's so good in it and he's been with us
so many times. Obviously we love you. Jarrett, jump in,

(42:59):
join in the convo. Welcome to the show, because we
know you have a perspective on what happened today in court.

Speaker 9 (43:07):
Well, good evening, it's great to be with you. Promise
me you're going to have me on a boring night
where we could talk about the weather something.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, can we please, because you know we just are
going to talk about, you know, sunshine and roses, but
instead let's talk about murder and this a maying wow.
I mean, come on.

Speaker 9 (43:27):
I think we witnessed the entire emotional spectrum today in
that sentencing hearing. I have been a part of many
of those victim impact statement type of proceedings. One thing
I want to say right out the gate, I'm really
happy everybody kept their composure and got to say what
they wanted to say. And if that brings these families

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and friends resolution and closure. So many times I've seen
people break down be unable to say what they wanted
to say. I think young Stephen didn't get a chance
to say what he wants to say, but read his
statement at a press conference later.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
That's right.

Speaker 9 (44:03):
I was relieved they were able to do that so
getting it out, getting it in front of Brian Colberger.
They were certainly speaking to him, not necessarily just the judge.
I thought was a was a win for the families
and friends of our victims and man.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
As victim statements go. I mean, listen, we've all been
in courtrooms. I mean, obviously you've been in more than
any of us combined. But you know, victim statements, to
your point, is very powerful. But boy, this was like
next level. I literally my knees buckled. I cried, I cheered,
I yelled. I wanted to throw the TV against the

(44:37):
wall at one point. It was really next level. So
what's your response to how he behaved this BK killer?
What's your take on that? Like, why was there no allocution?
Why did he not have to speak?

Speaker 9 (44:51):
Well, he just doesn't have to. I hate to set
the answer. He doesn't have to. Brian Kolberger is dead
behind the eyes. You know, he acted as much as
I expected him to act. We've talked about his demeanor.
We talked about his demeanor at the plea. I think
the really changed dynamic in Colberger is seeing him in
those prison clothes again, seeing how pale he was seeing him,

(45:15):
I mean, he looked like a psychopath. Today he looked
like and that was a different you know. That shows
you the power of perception. And the fact that he
didn't have prison clothes on, which was a motion his
lawyers filed for because they were worried it was going
to prejudice the jury. Seeing him today, he looked as

(45:35):
evil as they were telling him he was, and that
really played into the emotion of the moment.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Could not agree more. We actually have talkback right now.
We'd love to go to.

Speaker 8 (45:46):
Hey, guys, I did not realize this until after the sentencing,
but the questions that Kaylee's sister asked Brian Colberger and
her victim impact statement were the exact same questions that
he had posted on Reddit in his survey before he
committed the murders.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Mine blunt, Yeah, and that's right. We just mentioned that. Yeah,
she was almost like making fun of him when she
was asking him, uh, did you why did you pick
my sisters? What were you feeling when you left your apartment?
Did you do any you know, she was almost like
mocking him.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I don't like me, and it was just so perfect
and anyone doesn't know what that is. You know. Something
that we always thought was very interesting and troubling was
that when Brian Coberger was getting his you know, PhD
in criminology, smarty pants that he is, he had done
this really strange survey where he sent out questions to prisoners,

(46:43):
asking very specific questions that were kind of daunting, I
mean in retrospects, like straight up scary, horrifying and a
real tell. And those questions are what Kaylee Gonzalvez, his sister,
basically repeated back to him in jest. And it was
really again I know I said it earlier, it's total masterclass.

Speaker 9 (47:03):
She was mocking him. She started off by saying, you're
a psychopath, You're a sociopath. Then she proceeds to mock him.
And narcissism is that you know, he's a narcissist and
she's saying to him, you have no power over me. Here.
I am another young, beautiful woman looking you in the face,
telling you how small and basic you are. That up,

(47:27):
oh was perfect. He wouldn't have had emotion or sympathy
for them. He definitely got pissed off when and that
was her goal. That was she was trying to knock
this narcissist off his pedestal.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
You can't see me, Jarret, but I'm pointing my finger
at my nose because you just hit the nail on
the head.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
He did.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
So true and by the way you've said that body also, Courtney,
I'm for you have too about how the only way
somebody will get through to him or get a reaction
is if a woman kind of comes face to face
with him and is not like cutesy and you know, vulnerable,
Because listen, this is the guy that couldn't get the girl,
He couldn't get a lady. He was the guy that
had no game. He was the guy that resented the

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other people who did have game, and none of these
women or Ethan would have paid him any mind. So
the fact that it wasn't tears and shriveled up, but
rather shoulders back and just basically like you're a joke,
is I guess again that is truly like the anti
for and what is it when you have a kryptonite

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for a narcissist.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
One moment that was so beautiful and just seemed so pointed.
And this was where I did feel like I actually
saw at least an eye twitch of a reaction from
Bka was when Olivia Gonzalvez asked him if he started
shaving his bushy eyebrows or if he's manually plucking.

Speaker 9 (48:48):
Them right right?

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Yeah, that was a good one. Can we go to
talk back number three real quick?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
For Jared.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
I have a question about the bron Coberger taste. Could
the prosecutor have made him get up and tell why
he committed the murders? Like, if you're going to take
this plea deal, and we're going to give you this
plea deal, then you're going to tell us why you
did it and force him to tell. I know we
have the right to remain silent, but is that a

(49:16):
stipulation that could have been put in there?

Speaker 9 (49:19):
Great questions, A great question when we're getting quite quite commonly.
The answer is the prosecutor could not have forced him
to do that. He could have leveraged that and made
that request and made it a condition of the plea.
But you cannot compel a factual elocution of that nature.

(49:40):
You can. We've talked about We've talked this all of us. Yeah,
so the answer is no, he couldn't force it. He
could have asked, but they just didn't have. The prosecutor
today said he didn't ask that, he never asked it.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
You're listening to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. I'm body
Moving here with Courtney and Stephanie and we are joined
by Jarrett Farantino, veteran trial attorney. I have a question
for you, Jarrett. Could he have could Bill Thompson has
said something like this, and I'm just gonna talk. Could
he have said, Okay, we're gonna give you, We're gonna
take the death penalty off the table and give you

(50:16):
life in prison, but you have to tell us where
the knife is, tell us where the murder weapon is.
And if we go dig it up and it ain't there,
you're not getting the deal. Could they have done something
like something like that?

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah, right, I think yes, of course, that's the whole
point of it. It's a bargaining chip.

Speaker 9 (50:35):
So he could have The thing is he did. Bill
Thompson was saying today in his press conference afterwards, we
saw an opportunity resolve the case and the litigation not
through the trial, and did he specifically said we wouldn't
have believed what he said anyway. That's fine.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Who is he to decide that though, But you don't
have to believe him. If he tells you where the
knife is and you go dig it up and it's there,
then you know he's telling the truth. What does it
matter if he's lying or not?

Speaker 9 (51:01):
Like well, and that was about the motive. That was
really about motive when we were talking about answering that.
But the reality is, you know he could have asked that,
and he had leverage at that point because you didn't
agree to the deal and Colberger's life still hung in
the bounce to say, all right, Brian, you want us
to take the extreme step of taking death off the table,

(51:23):
you got to give us something other than saying you
did this. You got to tell us why, how, where?
What are we missing?

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Exactly? Do that or you face a firing squad, which
was you know what was on the table at the time.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Right right, And Jared, just one more question on you
know the fact that prosecutor Billa Thompson did not ask
for the allocution. I was actually thinking because I couldn't
get it straight in my head. I said, there must
have been a lot of stuff going on in the
background that we are not aware of of why that

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didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
But then to just say he didn't ask.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
Is there a rationale aside from I understand wanting to
not go to trial to save you know, many years
of the victim's family's lives. But is there a rationale
I'm not understanding.

Speaker 9 (52:14):
A rationale for not asking about those situations? Are taking
the plea in general? Well just not Yeah, Bill Thompson,
this is not a cut at Bill Thompson. I think
he's a competent guy. I think this was a good
result in this case. I don't think it was the
best result. So let's say that right at the outset,
he fits into this archetypical prosecutor I've encountered where they're

(52:34):
just by the book. They're very much like the guy
didn't even have a suit on today and a sports
that can ants on, which like you look at him,
You're like, Bill, the whole world's going to be watching
throw a suit on, you know, But he probably got
up this morning he said, oh, this is the jacket
closest to the door.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
He would have been wearing cuplings. I have a sinking fish.
You would have had couplings. For sure.

Speaker 9 (52:54):
He's engrossed in the law. He's a very matter of fact.
He doesn't see the crazy political and emotional aspects of this.
That's the way I see him. I've encountered people like him,
so I think he just saw it as an opportunity
to resolve the case, take gamble out from what could
happen with a jury, for go decades of appeals, and

(53:18):
bring some closure. And some of the families were on board,
and they had a very small window to get this done.
It wasn't rushed so much as it had to happen
before they brought jurors in. And while Coberger was willing
to accept it, those things happened fast. And that's one
thing Thompson said, I agree with them one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Well, and to your point about the jury selection was
slated to begin like July thirtieth, which would have.

Speaker 9 (53:41):
Been seven days, thousands of people.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Ten thousand, They said, yeah, it's crazy. I would have
been one of them. So you know that's part of it.
When we come back though, Jared, stay with Jared? Are
you going to stay with us? Please? Absolutely? Hostage Lucky.
You're our favorite. You're so our favorite, because I'm curious
what you guys are going to think about this too.
What is the one burning question that each of you

(54:05):
have that you would have wanted to get from BK today?
If he allocated or if he what is the word allocated? Listen,
if you haven't been following closely Brian Coburger, we're going
to call him BK even though I keep calling him
Brian Coburger regardless he was sentenced today officially for the

(54:26):
murders of the four Idaho student that students that were
murdered two and a half years ago. He was really
claiming his innocence for all this time and jokes on
us because not only is he very guilty, but he
has also avoided the death penalty. And we're kind of
asking you guys the question because our last caller was

(54:49):
so smart to say, why didn't he have to allocate?
Why didn't he have to tell us where the murder
weapon is in some of the details of that night?
Instead he just I to respectfully decline when asked if
he had something to share while the families and the
surviving roommates, etc. Were there, So we all have very

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mixed feelings about that. We would like to hear from you.
What is the burning question that you would want to
have heard today in court from b K himself? That
he was too much of a coward to say call
us eight eight eight three one crime, or just leave
us a talkback on the iHeartRadio app. Or you could

(55:31):
always leave us a voicemail again eight eight eight three
one crime. I'm curious, guys, what's your courtney you're at First?

Speaker 5 (55:39):
I would want to know if he was aware who
was in the house that night and he if he
actually had intended to murder those four four victims, I mean,
and then if so, why had and unravels but did
he know who was in what he was walking into
that night?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
And Jarrett Farantino incredible, you know, veteran trial attorney, what
would be the question you would have wanted to know?

Speaker 9 (56:05):
I would I would want to know why and why them?
Why do this at all? And why were they targeted?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Good question? Body burning at the seams here. I know
you have ninety questions. Let's answer.

Speaker 9 (56:19):
You can do it.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
You can't roll off ninety of okay, number one, Yes,
where's the knife?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Where's the murder weapon? Number two? I'm not going to
be able to do two, number two?

Speaker 8 (56:28):
Five?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I can I do twenty? You can do twenty? The
note to dad? What is in that note to dad?
So explain the note to Dad, because that's in.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
The Pennsylvania search warrant results. They said that there was
a note addressed to Brian Coberger's father from Brian Coberger,
right BK FBK from BK. I want to know why
now they can, Jarrek, let me ask you a question.
They can only take things from a search warrant that
is relevant to the crime, or that they think is

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relevant to the crime.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Correct problem, That's correct.

Speaker 9 (56:59):
But writing like that, if it was contemporary with this,
they knew Brian came BK just came back to the house.
Writing from him would be contemporary that you would take that,
you would grab that, No problem.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
So noted, What about what about Jared?

Speaker 4 (57:15):
The the IDs they found in the house with inside
the glove they found IDs in the search warrant.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
It tells us everything they took from the house. They
took I saw what was that?

Speaker 9 (57:28):
Did they say? They were fake IDs? Is if he
was going to go on the lamb or were they
his own IDs like student IDs and things of that nature.
I think it was. Let me say this, If they
were fake IDs, that would be an argument for consciousness
of guilt, would suggest that he was going to take flight.
But I don't know. I think they were his student
IDs and things of that nature if I remember correctly.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Okay, But why would they take them if they were
his student IDs?

Speaker 9 (57:52):
Is there a real show's ownership of the items they
were found with? If they were co mingled with gloves
and clothing and things of that nature, it just further
shows that there were Brian's.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
I never thought of that. See, this is why you
get paid the big bucks. I never thought of that
while you were in the fancy suit to the courtroom.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
That's right, that's why you were wearing the cuff links
and I'm were in the overalls right there.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Let me go the producer, tahow what it would be
your burning question?

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (58:20):
Well, based on everything we saw today, I'm kind of
curious does he feel anything at all when he hears
the victims' names?

Speaker 8 (58:27):
Like?

Speaker 10 (58:28):
Is there any anything emotion?

Speaker 8 (58:30):
Like?

Speaker 10 (58:30):
Does he have an emotion at all for this these
family members.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Is there any like call back to it?

Speaker 8 (58:34):
Right?

Speaker 2 (58:34):
I'm dying. I want to hear my question. I'm dying
to hear about that car ride with Dad, so we
know Dad obviously had this note. Also there was this
infamous car ride from the school back home for the
Thanksgiving Day holiday and was it Thanksgiving?

Speaker 8 (58:50):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Oh my god, I'm starting to block it out one
second at a time. And he was in the car.
You got pulled over twice and by two separate law
enforcement entities, and you know, everybody seemed pretty cool and
calm in the car there. Did Dad know? Is that
possible that maybe he confessed? Because we also know that
BK hauled home in the hours after the murders and

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six lord the bodies were found. What the hell were
they talking about? Was that like a manic, weird moment
call where he was like, everything's cool, Yeah, I picked
up my drag cleaning.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
School, yeah yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Or maybe was he confessing or was that like a
tip off conversation anybody else and he talked, Please.

Speaker 10 (59:35):
I do have a Can I ask Jared a question?
I know, because he crossed state lines, why wouldn't he
face federal state federal charges or can he still face them?

Speaker 9 (59:47):
Well, well, he didn't he that's a great question. So
the fact that he crossed state lines, he didn't. The
crime was committed is the murder is typically a state clime,
but let's start there. And the fact that he crossed
state lines. You mean from Washington into Idaho, right, correct? Correct,
So the fact of the matter is the lion's share

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of that crime was committed in Idaho. It's a state
murder crime. If he kidnapped one of the victims and
took them across the Washington and the crime was continuing, arguably,
then it would become a federal offense. So it's a
great question. But there's a distinction in the law. If
you're in the commission of the act when you cross

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the state line, no brainer, it's a federal thing. But
the facts really are contained in that state. It's a
state crime.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
God, thank you, Jared, I have one question, and then Stephanie,
we're all we're literally all studio, and I said, but
since we have you, here's my question. And by the way,
if any of you have questions for Jarrett Farentino, our
legal expert, give us a call. Eight at eight three
one crime. He will answer it for you. Here's my question,

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and Taylor Slash, the defense team, which has gotten zero mentioned,
what's going on. I'm not asking you to be a
mind reader. What do you think a prosecutor would feel
about this?

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Is it a win? Is it a loss? Do the
victim's impact statements impact them?

Speaker 9 (01:01:21):
Well, Look, as a prosecutor who's done this, I've taken
death off the table and accepted a pleat of life.
It's a win A lot in an injustice is if
Brian Colberger walked out of that courtroom, that's injustice. And
I've seen it happen. So and I'm not suggesting that
Colberger would have walked out. I'm just saying so in
the realm of options that could have happened, this is

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option B. A would be death, B would be life,
throw away the key God forever. I think the prosecutors
have no reason to hang their heads because one out
of the four victims' families takes issue with the result
or wishes it was better. But at the same time,
I'm Steve Consolves came in today and thank them. I

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think in the end they have no reason to hang
their heads and Taylor did a hell of a job
defending Brian Colberger on the guilt phase with the preliminary challengers,
and she, in her mind had another job, which was
to save his life. She believed she saved his life
so she can walk out with her hand held high

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or were there head held high? I think you know
she could say, look, my job was to protect his life,
and I did. And I have to go back to
his parents and say, Brian's alive today you can call
your son and that's a win from the defense perspective.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
And by the way, today in the courtroom, his mother
and sister were there. His father and his other sister
were not there. My heart is again divided. Come at
me for this one. I know this is an unpopular opinion.
I feel for the mom and the sisters of Brian
Holberger in a sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Like they didn't do anything and they were very loved
and loving, and what a hard spot to be in,
and you know, to have to kind of go there,
they know they're going to be, you know, ganged up on,
and that there. That takes another level of courage. Also
to know that your offspring or somebody you love so
deeply is capable of something so horrible, you know. To

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that end, Jarrett, I actually have a bunch of questions though,
jaredt is like say, for example, we're not saying that
this is the case, but what if Dad was tipped
off or was aware prior to recently that this happened,
maybe he confessed to his son. Again, we're not saying
this happen because we have no evidence that that's the case.

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Could charges be brought up on them.

Speaker 9 (01:03:43):
If he committed affirmative acts and support of helping Brian
get rid of that. But it's like when he was
putting the garbage in the neighbor's garbage and the Poconos
in Pennsylvania, for example, if Dad did any of those things,
if the trip cross country was to get him out
of Dodge and away from the police, there's really no
indication of that. Now. The second part of that question

(01:04:04):
really is what did Dad know and when did he
know it? There's a lot of odd behavior there. This
The whole cross country trip never really made much sense
to me. I was always suspicious of it. They're very
wide eyed. If you see on those police stop where
they're looking like they're just waiting for the cop to say,
get out of the car. You're one of some of
those murders. And I don't. It's like why, Just to me,

(01:04:27):
it's just it seems odd to me that Dad wouldn't
have known. It's entirely possible, but I don't think and
haven't seen anything that he's done affirmatively that aided Brian
in flight or covering up the crime.

Speaker 8 (01:04:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Fair, that's so fair. Yeah, I wonder why Dad wasn't
there is he just so?

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Go ahead and body wait.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
We learned in the press conference after there was a
question and answer section between the reporters and you know,
the team the State, let's call it the State, and
Bill Thompson said I think it was Bill Thompson, and
one of them said that no, by the way, no
tips from the family.

Speaker 9 (01:05:06):
Came in, right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
I remember, I had, I had. I had been kind
of wondering if that maybe the sister maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yeah, And I was really feeling that theory, and that
was totally tracking for me. It was tracking with me too.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
Obviously I wouldn't have said it, but I mean, obviously,
I mean I was wrong, apparently, and I'm willing to
admit that for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
But apparently no tips from the family came in, so.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:05:28):
There were rumors. There were rumors when uh, and this
may have been inner family type of conversations. When the
vehicle that was being sought was initially released, there was
a concern from one of the one of his siblings, saying,
could Pran have done this? Now, the next question was
did they report it to the police? And that was
speculated too, but Bill Thompson put that to rest today.

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
Hmm right, well, listen, thankfully you will be staying with us, Jared,
and again anyone who wants to join the com conversation
eighted A through to one crime. We have our fabulous
legal expert. After the break, Jared, I want to know
if it's illegal. If I knew that someone murdered someone,

(01:06:11):
is that a crime?

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
We'll answer that after the break. Keep it here. True
Crime Tonight, we are talking true crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
night with Courtney Armstrong and Body Moven and we have
veteran trial attorney Jarrett far and Tino back with us.
Also the host of the True Crime Boss podcast. He
also appears in our documentary You're So Good in It,
The Idaho Student murders on Peacock and listen, we're all

(01:06:51):
feeling a little fired up now, Jarreed, because of you.
The show started, we were like three sad chickens, so
sad inside, and you have reminded us that it is
time to I feel like fighting somebody at this point.
So maybe after the show we're all going to go
and get into a bar fight together or something. But
you know it's about to hit the fans, so we're

(01:07:13):
paying a little game called talkback Broulette, and Courtney go ahead.
You had a question first.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
I had the one question that I asked you before break,
and I don't know the answer. If someone, let's say,
my sister erin may God forbid, this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Still never happened. It would never happen any life.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
But if she committed a crime wherein she murdered four people,
and therefore I had knowledge, and the police asked me,
I didn't help. I didn't do anything, and I didn't
get rid of anything physically. If police asked me, hey,
did your sister do this? Is it a crime to
say no?

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Like, is there any if you just shrugged your shoulders, yes,
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:07:54):
So, so if you're under oath, it's perjury. It's a
crime to lie to law enforcement certain types of questioning,
but just knowing alone is not a crime. You need
to have an affirmative act, whether you're hiding a weapon,
hiding the person. So if you hid your sister, if
you lied to the police to protect them, you could

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be charged with being an accessory or obstructing, or perjury
if it's under oath in front of a grand jury.
So those things. Knowledge can be a very dangerous thing
if you act out and in violation of the law
just knowing alone. If Colberger's dad only knew and didn't
do anything to assist his son, then he's not guilty

(01:08:37):
morally wrong yet legal wrong though, right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
And we were just like playing this terrible game between
us during the break, which is like, okay, so this
is not an intentional murder. What if it was like,
oh my goodness, they hit their head and it was
a vaz that fell out of the sky. I don't know.
It's very different when four people are slaughtered. You know,
you have to face the music, and you could love somebody,
but you would have to stand with them and say, look,

(01:09:02):
I love you so much, but you have to face
the time, and I will bring you to face the music. Oh,
it is tough spot to spot. By the way, did
we ask Jared what his number one question?

Speaker 7 (01:09:15):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Yeah, Jared, Yeah we did.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
We did.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
I think you have another one though, Go ahead hit
us with another question. You may have. I blacked out.

Speaker 9 (01:09:21):
I don't remember another question I would have had was
I think it all boils? How did you target them?

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Did you know it was there one?

Speaker 9 (01:09:30):
Did you intercept them? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
I think that's like I'm sorry, Jared, I'm sorry, no, no, no, please.

Speaker 9 (01:09:36):
I was just going to say, was there some kind
of a where did you find In my opinion, it
was Matty Mogan? And did you see her at the
at the vegan restaurant? Did you find her on Instagram?
Because even though Bill Thompson denied those things today, they
never talked about some of the things they pulled off
Coburger's phone that we know. We know there were Ted

(01:09:58):
Bundy searches, we know there were afphic porn searches. Thompson
didn't mention any of that. He really cleaned up his
description of this thing, and so I would want to
know from Coburger what did they missed, because they did
say two things that were distinct that we didn't know
that we now know tonight. Number One, he did employ

(01:10:18):
hardware or software to clean his phone, and that's huge.
That was huge to wipe out any any kind of
browser history or certain social media history. The second thing
they said we found tonight was that Brian Koberger, what
was I'm sorry, I'm losing my train of thought here.
There was a second issue that came forward tonight about

(01:10:41):
something briank Oh. He downloaded software to monitor police activity
at twelve thirty pm on the night of the murder.
So those are things that never get discussed by Bill
Thompson today and we're never revealed publicly till the paperwork
was revealed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
And I have another question too, why that night or like,
what was the inciting incident in his personal life that
made him decide that that was the moment to kill
to quote his little weird survey that he was sharing
with prisoners to find out what their weird reason was.
Why then? I always, like my dad used to always say,
you know, if only they had woken up a little

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sooner or gone to bed a little later, like if
the day just was brighter, you know, sometimes that could
have changed the course of such a hideous night. But
it just seems like it was so random. And I
guess that's why we're also scared by this case, because
there's no great origin story. In the slightest it just
seems so incredibly senseless. We actually have a talk there now.

Speaker 9 (01:11:42):
There were some things going on at the university that night,
you know, the big game, and a lot of put
traffic and a lot of drinking, So that would have
been a night to be moving around late or early
in the morning. True too.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
Right, you're listening to True Crime tonight on Nheartradio. I'm
body move in here with Stephanie Leidecker and Courtney Armstrong
and we are joined by veteran trial attorney Jarrett Farantino,
host of his own podcast, True Crime Boss please check
it out, And we're talking about the Brian Coberger sentencing
that happened today and we really want to know your thoughts.
Give us a Callauday eight thirty one Crime and we

(01:12:14):
have a talkback right now. Can we go ahead and
hit that talk back?

Speaker 11 (01:12:17):
Hi, listen to Schelle from Tampa and a question I would.

Speaker 9 (01:12:20):
Want to ask the Kay is did E c Dylon
that night?

Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
Thank you, big fan?

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Great, that's a when we were in the break and
I think that was one of tahas because you know, listen,
we all have one hundred questions, but Stephanie is only
making us pick one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
She's because she's torturing us. But that was one of tas.
That was one of tas, right, TAA, did you are correct?

Speaker 10 (01:12:42):
Yeah, I'm curious as to what he saw that night
and after he saw her, but yeah, that was my.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
And why did he spare her? And thank god he did?
Thank god he spared her? But why did he spare her?

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
I was he just exhausted from everything that he just did?
Was his vision visual snow at play? Was it just
too dark?

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
And he just was like seeing only the slider to
get out and he's moments away from pulling this off.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Like you know, what are the what are the what
are the reasons? So I think that's a good talk back.

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
Thank you, But didn't b Kay also say he responded
and said something like it's okay, I'll help you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Dylan Okay, So, just so everybody knows, the Moscow Police
Department have released a three hundred and forty one I
would know, three hundred and fourteen documents, police reports, interview notes,
things like that that they've collected throughout the last two
and a half years. You know, I sent this subpoena
for this, then I got this back, you know, and
some of the things that have come out have given

(01:13:42):
us a little bit of insight to that. And Dylan,
it's a little bit more detailed in these police reports,
and again we have to go through them. I I
kind of feel bad even talking about them right now.
But in one of them, Dylan said that she absolutely
heard him say that, and it was a voice she

(01:14:03):
didn't recognize, and it wasn't said in a nice tone,
which is a new element that we didn't have before. Right,
So I thought that was interesting. Another thing we learned,
you guys, is that apparently Brian Coberger BKA, sorry, Beka
matches somebody on tender. We don't know when it's not dated.
It doesn't give us any kind of time frame. He

(01:14:25):
matches somebody on tender. They were talking and he asked her,
what do you think the worst way to die Is
and she said, oh, probably a knife, and he goes, oh,
something like a k bar.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Wow, can you believe it?

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
So these documents are giving us a little bit more
insight to little little things. And again I'm going to
go through them all. We're going to present it in
a in a better, in a better way than just
me rambling.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
But I thought that was interesting old today.

Speaker 9 (01:14:58):
One thing Olivia make an impact stable was incredible. If
you remember, she said, a prisoner is going to say
to you, I'm here to help you. Yes, I don't
have anybody pick that up. I caught it, and I remember,
oh my god, that's what Dylan heard him say.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I did not catch that until just this moment said it.

Speaker 9 (01:15:18):
She said it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
There were all kinds of inside oh yeah, said Olivia.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Made yeah inside baseball that. Yeah, it was like poetry.

Speaker 9 (01:15:27):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
She was doing a lot of like, you know, you know,
a wink and a nod to those who know if
you know, you know, kind of a vibe and using
his exact same verbiage right back at him. Oh that's
really interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:15:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
I heard that when during the hearing, but it didn't
that didn't click for me until just now. Interesting observation, Jared,
I was so impressed with Judge Hippler today. I don't
know about you, Jared. He seemed really.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
He Jared did, is it normal for a judge when
he's handing down the sentence to somebody like this to
speak to b K the way that Judge Hitler spoke
to be K. And for those that didn't watch it,
he was just like kind of like, you're fifteen minutes
of fame are over.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
You're nothing. You know, here's your sentence. Is that normal?

Speaker 9 (01:16:12):
Well, I wouldn't say this case is anything but normal,
but I've seen judges. I've seen judges tell defendants they
have no redeeming qualities as a human. You know. At
that point, the robe was essentially off, like we're gone
being neutral here, I'm about to send you away. So
it is common in a case of this magnitude and

(01:16:33):
this kind of a crime to really let the defendant
have it. And when he said to Colberger, you have
no redeeming qualities. I can't even compliment you on your penmanship,
which is a judge he cited the one nice thing
you could say. So I thought that spoke volumes, But
Hitler was no nonsense he was emotional, which I've seen

(01:16:54):
judges get too. I mean, you can't be a human
being other than Brian Colberger and that woman not heal
the emotional pain of those families all the way around,
and a judge or no judge, it's it's hard to
hide it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Yeah. I was really impressed.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
Absolutely, And Jared, I know we only have you for
two more minutes. But on something that you said earlier
about prosecutor whose name just flew out of my head,
Bill Tomson, Yeah, you commented that he quote cleaned things up,
which I agree. Why do you think that what is
the rest now behind me?

Speaker 9 (01:17:33):
He's trying to he's trying to take some of the
sensationalism out of this, and I don't, As I said,
I'm describing his as a very by the book prosecutor.
He only wants enough details out to secure the conviction
and move on. He's really trying to downplay this and
that's not a rub against him. That's a style, that's

(01:17:54):
an approach to this. I don't see that. It's just
not effective in this type of a case. You have
to kind of just wide away a little bit and say, look,
the demand of the public. They really want to know
some of these details. Stop holding back.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
Yeah, well said, and as is everything you always say, Jarrett,
we literally clap when we know you're coming around.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Yeah. Sorry so Jared Farantino love having ye so so much.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Jeran veteran trial attorney, national legal analyst post of True
Crime Boss, which everyone should be listening to as well
as Primetime Crime. As always, Jarrett, thank you for gracing
us with your present. We hope to have you back
soon and listen. After the break we will be hearing

(01:18:45):
from you. We will have final thoughts of the night,
and as always.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Don't forget to call us eight eight eight three one crime.

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
And it's actually it is a real old school voicemail,
like think about almost nineteen eighties, and we actually say
I'm Stephanie, I'm Courtney on body. So even if you
just want to hear it, we're very very hippy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
And we have a caller on the line. See welcome
to the show. What's your question?

Speaker 9 (01:19:12):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Hello?

Speaker 11 (01:19:15):
Actually, and it's potentially a horrizing question, Bring it okay.
I was curious if anybody had empathy towards becaved family.
I do, and I want to clarify that I believe

(01:19:36):
that he is guilty. I believe that he does not
necessarily deserve empathy, but I feel empathy towards his parents
and his family, his siblings.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
I do too. It's Steph. I also feel the same way. Again,
he can, you know, go to hell, in my humble opinion,
and may God be with his family, like his sisters.
And you know, we've all dug into this for so
so long, and there's really nothing that has ever been
said poorly of them. You know, his sisters lost their jobs.

(01:20:08):
You know, they've been through it. He was the baby
of the family. Mom was very loving, dad, you know,
Janitor working at the high school. And you know, they
all seem to be like really equally as washed up
in this. But I know that's also an unpopular opinion.
And I understand all sides of this. It's not very popular.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
It's just that they still get to they still get
to talk to him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Yeah, the victims' families do not.

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
So yes, I absolutely have thank you see by the way,
thank you for the call, so you get a call.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Great question.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
While I absolutely have sympathy for you know, the Coburger family.
They've done nothing wrong. This is not their fault.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
They're just not center stage to me because these other
families have lost everything. They've lost everything in some cases.
So no, I mean it, they just don't take center
stage to me.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
Think it needed to be center stage necessarily, even the victims.
Anna ker Nodle, her uncle Stratton used his time, his
victim impact statement time to.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Actually speak to exactly what you called about.

Speaker 5 (01:21:15):
And looking at the transcript referring to b Kay, he said,
you know everything he's done to his family, his parents,
his siblings, his friends, his universe, he has contaminated, tainted
their family name and pretty much made it horrible, miserable
thing to ever be related to him. Sure, so I
thought that was real compassion to be able to even

(01:21:41):
have that thought.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
As well as the victims.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
I mean, they're real people. They're I mean they're victims too, right,
English sisters a therapist.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
But let's face it, they get to talk to him
myself want to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
They might not want to, but his mom and sister
were sitting right there in front of him. Tell me
they're live.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
I might ever see them, are not ruined.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
They saw them at the jail yesterday. They went for
a visit.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
I don't know the lives that they had on November twelfth,
twenty twenty two. Are ruined, they're over and they're done. Yeah,
and it's so true.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
It's a family stain on the name of generations and
generations of Coburgers, right, So it's a hard one, you know,
it's a spot that you know, not everybody can relate to.
But wow, I don't. I'm not sure that I even
have the proper words. But listen, we're obviously going to
be going through all of these files. So we didn't

(01:22:38):
even get to Josephcott Morgan tonight. He's going to be
digging through files too. He's going to be joining us
on Sunday to talk about sort of the forensics that
we're learning now real time. Obviously, law enforcement has now
released documents that we would never have had access to
until the trial was either happening or thereafter. So there's

(01:22:59):
a little bit of a deep dive happening. We're all
in it for the next twenty four hours, so of
course we'll be covering that tomorrow. And Epstein. We didn't
get to Epstein and the dopey dentist dentist in Colorado.
The trial continues, so please we will see you tomorrow.

Speaker 9 (01:23:15):
Night.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Thank you for being with us. This is true Crime Tonight.
We talk true crime all the time. Stay safe and
have an excellent night.

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