Talkback Tuesday: Bryan Kohberger, Ghislaine Maxwell, and More

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. It's Tuesday, August twenty six. Welcome
to the show. I'm Stephanie Leidecker, and I'm here with
Courtney Armstrong and Body Move In and Yelsen. We don't
have a stacked night of headlines because we have a
stacked night of talkbacks. Tonight, as you know, is Tuesday,

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and the entire show is dedicated to hearing your thoughts,
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and I promise you we're getting them and working on
all of them, so keep it coming. Honestly, without further ado,
there's not much more to say other than gentlemen, let's
go to our first talk path.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Hey, guys, Wendy from Kansas City, want to call in
on the Maxwell topic. With her being in minimum security,
with all the alleged mishaps with Ebstein, don't you find
it ironic that she's now in minimum security? I kind
of think of, holy cow, you're a sitting duck, and
I just think the possibilities are endless. And what could

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they say she was in minimum security?

Speaker 4 (01:42):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Listen, didn't we mention this the other night a little bit?
We touched upon this, you know, so I don't know
how to phrase it, but boy, do I get it? Yeah,
because listen, either she's getting a kind of a part in.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
Sort of a cushy deal, not really a part in,
but look.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
You can and you know, Rome, you're not, you know,
you're not in a high security prison like she was prior,
or does that make her a sitting duck and easy
access if somebody wants to do something very bad to her.
Not that we're suggesting that should happen. I'm only suggesting
that she should be in prison for the sex crimes

(02:21):
she committed.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
But that is a really interesting point and yes, that
we've had a.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
Lot of chatter about it. What do you guys think?

Speaker 6 (02:29):
Well, I kind of thought, maybe you know that it
was silly to think that because she's in this minimum
security prison, people who are in those kinds of facilities
aren't committing murder. But then my conspiracy brain got turned
on by what are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (02:42):
And see himself? Why we was allegedly allegedly alleged.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
But she's in like this minimum security yeah, where anybody
can walk off the street practically.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
No, I'm telling you if there was a.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
To a prison movie where there's uh an assassin and
somebody has to you abandoned cartwheel and they come through
the prison. But that's how loose of a goose this
prison is. But they're not breaking in like the kool
Aid man. Okay, maybe maybe more like I don't know,
Mission impossible or born identity.

Speaker 7 (03:16):
You've lasers in your brain, and I know I hear
the perspective of the talk back totally. However, people from
up on high love what she was saying. I have
to imagine since she is saying she never saw any
man act in any way that was could be judged

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poorly from any woman of any age, So that's like
mana from heaven. I think she's pretty safe from Well,
she might be.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Safe to President Trump and President Clinton for example, who
she was asked about specifically, but maybe not the royal family,
any other people out there who may have a bone
to pick and can't really listen. I'm not suggesting that
anything should happen to her. I am a peaceful human. However,
there's a lot of people that are potentially mixed into

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this mess.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
And let's be real, she's a bit of a wild card,
that's true. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
I just don't think she's in any danger. That's just
my opinion. But it is interesting to talk about.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
So thanks for back speaking of Hi, I'm just.

Speaker 8 (04:22):
Maybe I've actually missed something. But if great Net has
been convicted of this crime, why does she say she
should be pardoned or let out or whatever? Because a
document there is no list, so what we're convicted?

Speaker 9 (04:39):
Thank you, good y.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
Yeah, but doesn't that go back to this agreement that
Epstein had, this non prosecutorial agreement that Epstein had in Florida, right,
This is what many years before so many and in Florida,
by the way, right, and basically in his sweetheart deal,
where I mean it was a sweetheart deal, there was
a claw basically saying that none of his cohorts could

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also be brought into this or accused of a crime
or you know, subject to this type of jail time
or prison time.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
And you know, technically she feels maybe she falls into that,
or she's also just saying I'm innocent.

Speaker 7 (05:18):
Well, she is saying that. I mean, she is insisting
in the recent interview that she did there was no
wrongdoing that happened, and also she never saw, witnessed, or
participated in any criminal acts. She has denied all of it,
and even her prosecutor has gone on record saying that
it's a quote scapegoat effort. So the reason she's asking

(05:40):
for a pardon is because they're presenting her as completely
innocent and wrongfully convicted.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
So two hundred plus women who were you know, victims
of this island in Jeffrey Epstein and his beloved partner
in crime.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Dare we say, Giley Maxwell, it was all.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Bunch of everybody was just against them, and it was
all a bunch of noise, according to Glaine and her attorney,
And why in the world would we believe her. Why
are we choosing to believe her?

Speaker 5 (06:10):
I don't know. I'm royal we you speak of? But
who like blank Stairs, even like Sam and Adam.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I'm so impressed you were like not I yes, I
like look at the resistance.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
You guys were like all the resistance right there. I
don't miss it was like a miser rob Right now?

Speaker 10 (06:29):
Do we hear the people sing.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
I don't believe her? I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (06:34):
I mean I don't believe her about Clinton, and I
don't believe her about Trump. It's not I just don't.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Isn't Trump the one that said that Clinton himself was
there like twenty plus times.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
I'm paraphrasing, but.

Speaker 6 (06:45):
I didn't put it say Trump was in the files
like on her desk, and now all of a sudden,
there's no files at all.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
I just don't. I don't believe anything. It's wild from
any of them. But if I can't.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Believe that, what else can't we believe? And I guess
that's where it gets scary?

Speaker 6 (07:02):
Well, and that's where we are in this country right now,
right this is where we are.

Speaker 7 (07:06):
Well, where we are in this very second is on
True Crime tonight and I are radio we are hoping
you will join our conversation.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Give us a call eighty to eighty three to one crime.
I'm Courtney Armstrong.

Speaker 7 (07:19):
I am here as always with Stephanie Leidecker and body
move in and tonight is talked back Tuesday, yep, and
we are talking about Gleane Maxwell, or more specifically, you
guys are. So let's go ahead and play the next one.

Speaker 11 (07:33):
Hey, y'all, this is Silligan from forward. I'm fired of
about this Maxwell transcript. So what are your thoughts about
her saying she didn't do anything wrong? Trump is perfect,
Bill Clinton wasn't involved, and then Trump saying this is
a democratic hoax, just disrespecting the victims. And then the
lady who spoke out that's in the cushy person that
she's at, spoke out about her and then got moved

(07:53):
to a violent facility afterwards, Like.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
What is even happening?

Speaker 11 (07:56):
I'm losing my mind.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Please wait while you're.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Thinking, I mean, all of victims too are having a really,
really tough time too. They're also putting their lives at risk.
They've come out publicly, their faces have been seen by
so many. Imagine and now your person, the person who
actually brought you harm is getting kind of a sweetheart
deal and America is just like it's cool.

Speaker 6 (08:20):
No sweat did talk back mentioned something about one of
the victims was in a cushy prison and then got
moved to a more violent one.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Who I'm not sure it's a former.

Speaker 7 (08:29):
I'm just I'm looking it up now because that certainly
perked my ear as well. And this, at the very
least is according to Yahoo News, that yeah, a former
inmate at a cushy prison camp. She claimed she was
recently booted to a high security prison. And this happened
just hours after an article came out and she had
spoken out against Elaine Maxwell. Who oh, forty four year

(08:54):
old Julie Howell in fact, and this is per the
Daily Mail. So this inmate, yeah Howell. She gave an
interview to the Daily Mail. She said she was quote
disgusted by Gillaine Maxwell's transfer, and a couple of hours
later it appears that she was transferred to a high
security federal detention center in Houston.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
Holy mackerel, I didn't see. I love the talkbacks they're
telling us what's going on. I didn't know that happened.
So was she was she at the facility that Gilaine
got transferred to. Correct and she was like, I want
this woman here. She's dirty or whatever, and she gets
transferred to a maximum security or something.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
That's what's being reported.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, think nothing's up in there unless we're gonna have
to talk. I'm looking over my shoulder right now, because
I am a perfectly happy and healthy individual.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
There has to be a reason like there. Does it
say anything about like why she was transferred? Does does
the Daily Mail article that you're reading, Courtney have any
information on that?

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Not what I'm saying now, her superpowering super power she
is a fast skim reader.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Happened in real time? Right? Yeah? Nothing.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
I mean, honestly, we'll we'll come back after the break
find something.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
But this is thank you for that. Yeah, thank you
about this. I think that's insane.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
So that either means that they needed to make space
for Gilaine Maxwell in this unprecedented, extremely unusual, rarely if
ever seen scenario where somebody who's been convicted of a
crime like sex trafficking is you know, given just maybe
not a lighter sentence per se, but a lighter, cushier place.

(10:37):
That's really, really, really unusual from what we've been told.
So maybe there was a swap, or you know, there
was space required at this new location, or she spoke
out against you know, somebody who's being very protected right now.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
I mean, that's a massive lifestyle change, right she goes
from this cushy prison to some kind of you know,
law down scenario. That's a pretty massive change for her.
So I can't imagine that it's just because she made
a comment.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
I just can't why there's got in that. I don't know.
I just listen, I believe in love, Okay, I believe
in who doesn't I believe in love.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I'm just saying I need you to imagine this for
a little bit, because it seems suspect.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
It doesn't. Some of this stuff seems a little bit wild.
I'm sorry. This is not my personal opinion.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Only many are saying it, and I just think I'm
curious to hear what you guys have to say. Eight
eight eight three one crime. Keep those combos coming, right.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
I don't know, I just feel like there has to
be something on her record, like she was called it's
a cell phone or you know, it's something.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
It certainly doesn't appear to be that way. Body even
though that should.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
Be what I'm digging. But I'm a big woman.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
She was just serving a one year sentence for theft,
and the movement happened after blasting Maxwell as quo disgusting
in an interview.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
Wow, in an interview with who Daily Mail? No, No,
So the Daily Mail just happened to reach out to
this prisoner for an interview and she said it's disgusting
and she gets transferred to there's something. There's something here
that's crazy to me. That's crazy to me, there's something
else going on.

Speaker 7 (12:20):
Really, I think it makes I don't know sense universe
we're living in right now.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
The Daily Mail just reaches out to a random prisoner,
or she reach.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Out to any prisoner who's at this facility where Geelane Maxwell,
one of the most high profile prisoners of this time,
rolling into a white collar crime facility.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
She's there for a year for theft, not sex abuse.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
We're talking major different types of crimes, one year versus
twenty by a federal judge. Apparently we're not allowed to
really speak about it, and I got to be honest,
I think it's fishy.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
We're gonna find.

Speaker 7 (12:55):
Out, agreed, Well, listen, we'll be continuing to follow this.
Thank you again for the heads up on that. And yeah,
it's Talkback Tuesday all night long. We will have a
lot of coburger related messages and more. Keep it here
a true crime tonight, talking true crime all the time.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Let's go to our next one.

Speaker 12 (13:24):
Yeah, Hello, this is Steve from Maderie, Louisiana. I'm just
calling about two points. One is what do you think
the likelihood of Coburger following at eight Amendment Queen for
cruel and unusual punishment because he's not allowed to sleep
like many. I don't have a problem with it, but
he may file it.

Speaker 13 (13:41):
And the.

Speaker 12 (13:42):
Importance of the resurgence of neighborhood watches. They're so crucial,
beneficial to proactive patrol for police.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
We have any great questions. Yeah, there's very different but
really important.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
You know, neighborhood watch that was such a big deal
when I was growing up. I don't you know.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
I was born in the seventies, you know, and grew
you know, up in the seventies and eighties, and I
remember neighborhood watch being like a really big thing. And
today I don't even let me tell you something. I
don't even know my neighbor's name.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
I don't body move in. I don't. No, I get it.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
It's like I don't know why, but I walk out
of the house with like a paperbag over my head
as if like we don't let see anybody. And I've
lived here for fifteen years. What, Yeah, you don't know
your neighbors. I don't fifteen years. I don't do you
do not like your neighbors?

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Well, I don't know. He might be wonderful. I have
no idea, but I see him all the time, but
I never very literally, I'm just.

Speaker 7 (14:37):
Saying like, but not even dog owners, like like are
you your schedule.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
With or just feeling a little anti social when I
don't know, I just never nobody's brought you a cup
of coffee in the morning or some cake. No, it
hasn't happened to me yet either, but in my head
it's coming.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
So it was interesting.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
It's interesting though, that you bring up the neighborhood watch, because, yeah,
neighborhood watch is an important thing for society.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
Well, it's a presence where I am, but it's it's
a very neighborhoodye here and body, I was in your
position in most places where I live but this one
now is everyone.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
It's a talkie, a nice courtney.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Isn't a lot of groups like I'm a real joy
you're actually a little.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Joy happy, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
She does join in and sometimes if I'm like, oh,
I want to sell something, She's like, well, let me
ask one of my many groups, and she like is
very efficient about it. I don't have any groups in
my world, but like, yeah, neighborhood Watch turned into weird
stalker neighbor who's like looking in your windows a little

(15:45):
too often? Right, So what's the line? And I think
it also really depends on where you live. And there
is a resurgence right now of the neighborhood Watch. It's
so important, you know, we have to look out for
each other well.

Speaker 6 (15:57):
And also the Eighth Amendment thing, right, So eighth Amendment,
just for those who don't know what that is, it's
you know, it protects us against cruel and unusual punishment,
excessive bail, things like that. And quite frankly, I don't
think Coburger has a chance with that argument because he's
really he's protected from other Inmacy's and segregation, he's escorted

(16:18):
everywhere he goes, he's never alone he's got to learn
how to deal with this. I don't think he has
a chance to make Eighth Amendment argument, does do? I
think he'll make one, maybe because Brian Kaherenberger is a complainer,
and you know he might my coffee's hot.

Speaker 7 (16:33):
But I don't think also with the leg to stand on,
because it's not if the prison itself, the institution were
quote purposely keeping him awake. That's very different than other prisoners.
That's a totally exactly different thing.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
So, by the way, isn't it just bad idea to
complain about the prison that come in while in prison.
I don't feel like bad things come to those I
don't think so in this way you don't leave. You
think they're all like, oh my goodness, Brian, we heard
your complaints and your your need for a snappier meal,

(17:08):
and we're going to get to it.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
No sweat. Well, you know I feel about that. We
need to fe No.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
No, I agree, and you turned me on that let
him eat. But I also think that might come with
a little bit of backlash.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
It might because the inmates are the ones serving the trace. No, No,
is that right?

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah? Okay, well we reap the we reap the what.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
Is it they saying?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
May you reap what you sow and reap what he does.
We have a collar bear bear, we have collar bear.

Speaker 13 (17:35):
Hey bear, Hi bear?

Speaker 5 (17:38):
Hey?

Speaker 13 (17:38):
How's it going him? I'm good? Good, back to the
mends boys. Yes, I just want to know about like
is there like when you kill somebody? To me, murder's murder, right,
But is there a time frame like you're in for
twenty five, you know, ten years whatever? Because look, it
hits me hard because my nephew years ago was in

(18:00):
an auto accident and killed two people. And that's a
hard thing to handle because that's my family. He was
in for seven years. He did everything he could to
get out. His daddy's money couldn't get him out, but
he paid his time. But I'm thinking, like, Okay, he
killed two people, but he's got to live with it.
But to me, murder's murder. I mean he's seven years.

(18:21):
Somebody's tenseif what is the deal there? And I'm just
wondering about I'm liking to do a petition like get
him can we get him out of there? Because look,
someone said, oh if we let Kyle out, he might
kill somebody. I'm like, out of they know that. I
don't think they want to do that again. But what
about this governor of California what's his name? Awesome, there's

(18:43):
some Yes, he lets people come, Oh, come to my state.
You can steal under a thousand dollars and I'll let
you go. Like that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
Right, by the way, not listen.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I kind of hear you on this one, and bear
it's it is a fair point though. It is a
little different though for your nephew, who and this is
so hideous and I'm terribly sorry that this happened to
your family. You know, vehicular manslaughter is different than the
manslaughter of these two brothers, who were, you know, plotting
their parents' death.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
I guess thank you for the question. Yeah, thank you
for calling. Thank you so much better.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
So, yeah, the manner in which this was occurred is
relevant to the sentence. Right, So your your nephew, it
was an accident of some kind of I'm sure whether
they were drinking or under him, it was still an accident.
They didn't intentionally go out and kill somebody like Lyel
and Kyle Lyel and Eric right.

Speaker 7 (19:33):
Right, So manslaughter versus right first degree murder and with
special circumstances for lying in wait, which adds its levels
and degrees, and also so state dependent and all of
the of So all those.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
Things are considerations when they're handing down sentences. And I
think Gavin Newsome, the governor of California, is probably going
to stay out of this. I know that yesterday the
lawyer for the Menendez No No, Noendez brother. I know
the lawyer told news Nation last night that they were
going to petition Gavin Newsom and some superior court judges

(20:07):
to get this overruled. But I do believe that Gavin
Newsom and the judges are going to take a hands
off approach to this and let the courts make their
own decisions or the parole board make their own decisions.

Speaker 14 (20:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Yeah, So I.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
Think it's prudent too, to be honest, and I think
it's prudent instead of making it a political Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
So listen, if you want to call us, we just
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Speaker 15 (20:35):
We have another talkback ladies.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Did you hear every morning when I'm walking I love
listening to you. It's what I look forward to.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Anyways, I'm listening to the eighteenth and you're talking about
Brian Kolberg and all these nine complaints against him and
campus security or walking students to the cars and they
don't feel safe. What is going on here? I know,
why wasn't the police involved and checking this guy out?

Speaker 5 (21:01):
GG dumbfounded girl.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
You and I are like in sinc we're besties right now.
I don't know what the protocol is. I truly don't.
I'm not in academia. I have a Bachelor's of Science degree.
I didn't, like, you know, spend a lot of time
in college. But I know that campus security has full
authority over things that happened on the campus, right I
don't know what d I don't know why they weren't involved.

(21:25):
I don't know if he was maybe on a short
list when the murders happened. There's no indication of that.
There's no indication that they even eye side eyed him.
They just kind of, like I feel, and I could
be wrong, this is my total opinion. I feel they
put band aids on the situation to try to get
through the semester, is what I feel. And then once
the semester was over and they were on their break,

(21:46):
he was let go. I feel they limped it along,
and I feel like there might be some kind of
complaint from the families at some point, some kind of
legal complaint. We know that the Consolves' family, through Shannon Gray,
their attorney, has filed torque claim against the city of
Moscow and the University of Idaho, but I'm not sure
if they did one against WSU.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
So really good questions. I'm on your side, gg, I
just don't know the answer.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
I think it's it's very typical of academia. As you said, Body,
they it's kind of like a cruise ship like they do.
They have authority, they like to keep things cloistered, keep
their students and their name. And I'm saying this kind
of as fact, not trying to disparage any particular university.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
So in retrospect, of course, or.

Speaker 7 (22:34):
With known threats and that they're escorting people, you think,
oh my god, But it's pretty typical.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
For I mean, we learned from the New York Post
article yesterday, Courtney that even the professor's wife, because Brian Coberger,
would follow the professor to his car and he was
doing that terrier weirdo, you know, and even the professor's
wife was like, dude, what the heck is with that?

Speaker 7 (22:59):
Yeah, he says the professor said, she recoiled like you've
never seen her in their entire relationship together.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
So even like really smart people recognize that this guy
was not okay. But I mean, what can you do, right, Like,
can you arrest somebody because they're not like socially okay?

Speaker 5 (23:18):
You know, you can't rite so what are they not?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Even if you're being abused by a person, you can't
necessarily get the help.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
So yeah, it's it's not a perfect system. No it's not.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
And you know, what are they going to do anybody
that's a little odd. They're going to bring them in
and they're going to fire them, you know, like the
list goes on and on. So you know, I would
have to assume they did their best judgment at the time. However,
when you see this in black and white and that
this many complaints were actually submitted on paper, that is staggering,

(23:47):
and I would have to assume that this is not
the end.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Of that story. Right.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
It's desperate and it's dangerous, and I think the number
nine has been elevated to thirteen now, so there's we're
thirty teen official complaints from students and other professors and
you know, people he worked with at WSU, because remember
he worked for WSU and don't.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Again, in WSU told it's students not to worry when
the murders happened. They were like, it's fine, it's far away,
nothing to worry about. Meanwhile, the killer was amongst them.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
Teaching, sitting next to them in class, following them around
like a little terrier down the hallways, and spatially trapping
them in office and hovering over their office. When I
read this report about how he was hovering over this
woman constantly, Oh made my skin crawl, Like it's it's
so bizarre.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
And that's the takeaway.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
We have to all listen to our side. I do
not dismiss that because I think we're so conditioned to
do so.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
We are, we're conditioned to smile and be polite.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
But I'm telling you right now, ladies, don't do it.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Without further ado, Let's go to our next talk back.

Speaker 16 (25:08):
Hi, guys, I love your show. Love listening to y'all.
I have a question about what visual snow is. I
heard you guys talk about this a couple of times
when talking about BAK and the Idaho four. Can you
explain to me what visual snow is?

Speaker 5 (25:21):
Really? Good question.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
So it's a neurological problem from my understanding. So back
when you know, we read about these forum posts and whatnot,
of course I went and what's visual snow? Because I
never heard of it before. It's a neurological condition, and
it's where the person sees like kind of like static,
like you would on like a TV screen that's.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
An old TV yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
Geist, Yeah, And this static covers like the their entire
field division and it's present in my my understanding, it's
present all the time. It's just kind of an underlying
thing that's always there. Like do you ever rub your
eyes like really hard, like for long time because you've
got like something in it.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
And now you open the eyelashes, you and I we're
doing those eyelashes, and you pull them out. You kind
of start to see like rights, you start to see spots.

Speaker 6 (26:06):
Right, so you'll see like tiny flickering dots across you know,
your whole field of view, and you might have like
ghosts like those little globs, you know, those little blobs
you can see sometimes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
And it affects you.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
It affects your daily functioning, reading, your mental health because
like you can't turn it off. It can cause depression.
It affects your social life because you're dealing with like
all these constant visual noise all the time. It might
make people withdraw socially and they'll struggle in school. There's
a lot of lot of issues that it can cause.
And by the way, there's no no, there's no known cure.

(26:41):
Now they do say, like migraine medication can help with it,
but there's only in.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Your some some cases, I guess even migrain medication doesn't
work for all neither. But in Brian Coburger's case, Yeah,
he was seeing the static over his eyes, and you know,
he would say that that brought him a lot of
you know, air quotes, anxiety or or you know, literally
blurred his vision for a happier life.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
I suppose sure not that that's a good excuse. But no,
we none of none were going to say something.

Speaker 7 (27:11):
Oh, I was going to say that also a body
when you were describing visual snow and talking about how
it can impact your life, and it often is or
can be accompanied by Tonight's that ringing in your ear,
and also migraines as well, which are or can be debilitating.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
Oh I didn't know that.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
Yeah, so you're having if you're having tonight's end visual snow,
think of this a little crazy making, a little crazy making, didn't.
Luigi man Gionne also complain of visual snow the guy
who has been accused of shooting Brian Thompson the SOO, we.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Should do a deep dive on that, just you know,
we do in the documentary. We talk a bit about it,
and it does seem like one of those conditions that
can be very maddening. And we do know that Brian
kobok Or in earlier days, you know, so you know,
kind of recognize that he had this kind of an affect.
He didn't necessarily feel the world the way others did.

(28:08):
You know, some could call that depression, but in order
to be depressed, you have to probably have feelings, right,
like he was almost void of feelings.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
That's what he said. He said, he doesn't you feel anything?

Speaker 6 (28:18):
Yeah, he didn't feel anything, and he he would he
said something like his dad would show him affection and
he would just kind of like be like, eh, you
know what I mean, he just didn't. But it could
be part of the neurological condition that he's got with
this visual snow, because it does affect your your emotional process.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
He was autistic also, you know, Yeah that came out sure,
not that we think.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Again, that's not an excuse for murdering four people, but
it's autistic. I would never murder somebody. Of course you
use that.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
You use that perfect brain of yours for greatness, right,
because it's your superpower in so many ways.

Speaker 6 (28:53):
Yeah, but yeah, the autism definitely is part of him,
you know, and it is going to affect the way
that he says his emotions and deals with social situations.
But it's definitely not making you a murderer, like one
hundred percent not. You know, I still feel things that
you know, everybody else does, and I probably feel them
a little bit deeper sometimes, you know. But yeah, no,

(29:14):
the autism is definitely part of him, but it has
nothing to do with he's a murderer. You're listening to
to Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime all
the time, and we're taking some Brian Coberger talkbacks. Let's
go to the next one.

Speaker 17 (29:25):
Yes, hi, ladies, is Anthony Colleen from Canada. I'm listening
to your Thursday Night episode where the body camera foot
it's just dropped and you described it. You talk about
the roommates shaking. And I'm not a psychologist, but I

(29:45):
was reading a book on psychology once and they talked
about how moving your body after something traumatic is quite
good for you. And they cited a case in Chachilla
House in I think nineteen seventies or the eighties, where

(30:06):
twenty seven kids were kidnapped and buried in I think
a cave of some sort, and the two kids that
were able to dig themselves out and escape actually showed
out of those kids, those twenty seven kids that they
were had the least trauma, long term trauma impacts, and
it was as a result of being able to move

(30:29):
their bodies. So, you know, I know it's horrible to
watch someone shake, but you know, according to this theory,
it's you know, quite a good thing in terms of
trauma healing long term.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
And that makes a lot of sense if you think
about being that emotionally dysregulated. You know, I know, for myself,
I can get really emotionally unregulated quickly, whether it's like
exacerbated or overly excited or super worked up, and you're
adrenaline is going at that point, so think about it.
So if you're shaking or giving yourself movement, you're kind

(31:04):
of shaking it out a little bit too, and it
allows your nervous system to kind of reset either.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
There is actually that equipment.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
You guys are going to make fun of me because
it's not the dumb weighted vest, but the it's like
something you stand on and it just like vibrates a
bit and it basically makes you shake. And the spirit
of it is that it's supposed to kind of shake
out your nervous system and kind of bring the energy
kind of to one level.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
I need one of those to send me a link
to that.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, I don't know what it's called exactly right, but
you know it's something to just do while you're having
your morning coffee.

Speaker 7 (31:36):
Well a little shit, yeah, but don't fill that coffee
mug up too high.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
My rug also has a lot of coffee on it.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
But yeah, you know what.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
I learned, it's kind of similar in the same vein.
It might be interesting to somebody out there. I was
having leg problems, like a couple of years ago, and
it went to the doctor and they were hurting. My
legs were hurting my thighs like constantly, and so I
went to the doctor and she's like, are you stressed?
And I'm like, unbelievably stressed. I was so stressed out.
I don't remember what I was doing, but it was
like an incredibly stressful time in my life. And she

(32:07):
was like, well, you know, when you get stressed, your
body plumps blood to your extremities, your hands, your arms,
and your legs. And I was like why, and she's like,
to run because like back in the day, back in
the day, if we were being chased by you know,
an ape or something I don't know is an ape predator,
I don't know whatever an.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
A an apeil kill you. Though. Okay, well, you.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
Get stressed out and your body is telling you to run,
and that's why your your your legs might purt or
your So it's kind of the same thing as shaking, right,
like your body is reacting to stress and anxiety in
some way I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Your body keeps a score. If you haven't read that book,
that is a really good one. Indy was just telling
me it's a really good one.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
And it's true.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
You know, your body experience and his trauma and if
not dealt with it, sits. And she's not just telling
me about this. You're not moving enough for sort of
figuring out ways to expel it. You know, some people
say exercise, some people say all kinds of stuff. I
am not describing any of it, but it does it
make sense.

Speaker 6 (33:16):
It's like a sign. I've heard it twice in two
days now. I'ma have to go, Tod, did you have
something to say.

Speaker 18 (33:22):
No, No, I was just going to say that you
are a spot on. I just looked up really quickly
and I am reading that after a traumatic experience, moving
can be helpful. It releases storage stress formones and it
completes the fight or flight response. So there you go,
both of you are.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
We do a little dance break at Kate's. That's right.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
We do around you know, we do a little dancing
around the edges. It's the exact same principle. You kind
of dance it out and you kind of get all
your nervous energy out and sort of you know, we're
talking about a lot of dark things or stressful things,
so sometimes you just got to release it, and you
know that might mean a little dancing.

Speaker 6 (34:00):
That's right, Well, thank you talk bout yeah, you got
us going here. Ainsley always you know Iningsley's great from Canada.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Love her. Uh we have do we have time for
another talk? Then let's yes, let's do it.

Speaker 15 (34:11):
Hi guys.

Speaker 16 (34:12):
I really love your show and I love listening to
you every day.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yay.

Speaker 16 (34:16):
When you guys are talking about Ryan Coolberger and his
obsession with the games little Ripper, I feel like I
remember hearing something that Danny Rawlings also broke in through.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
A glass door, like a sliding glass door.

Speaker 16 (34:29):
Have you guys heard this also or did I imagine that?

Speaker 5 (34:32):
If so, how creepy you did not imagine that? So
smarting hands?

Speaker 6 (34:36):
Yeah, good memory he did. He broke in to Christa Hoits.
She was eighteen years old. She was a chemistry honor
student at Santa Fe College, and he pride opened her
sliding glass door with like a screwdriver or some kind
of blunt instrument like that. I don't know exactly what
it was, I can't remember, but yeah, and then guess

(34:59):
what she was a home so he waited for her
no did you know this top of head?

Speaker 5 (35:04):
I'm so impressed.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, Like that was a lot of information to just like,
you don't even know what these questions are going to be.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
So is my superpowers? Your superpower?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Last door is such a scary Uh, it's so scary.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
You know, we should be sliping. Should have.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
My friend Steve, I was over at my my friend's
house this weekend and he loves the show. He loves
Sucgarme tonight and he was like, you guys need to
have somebody on the show that can teach people how
to secure their doors, maybe even what to do, what
to do if it's dark at night and somebody is

(35:45):
in your house, like grabbing them by the wrist and twisting,
you know, things like that.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
And I was like, what a good idea. I have
one takeaway that I just read and listen. I'm not
subscribing to any fear mongering. We're not trying to make
anybody feel scared. But get yourself a fire extinguisher and
have it right next to your bed. Not for the fire,
per Sello, Stranger things have happened, but as a weapon.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
I have, you have, you have, I do body.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
You just need the sound I'm downloading that sound on
my phone.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
You're gonna start any wrong one, It's gonna be Taylor
Swift in Congrats to Taylor Swift.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
You're beloved.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
After two years of dating, I are officially engaged.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Did you see that rock? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (36:36):
Holy moldy, dangerous, gorgeous.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
It's so beautiful, so beautiful. I hate them? Why do
you hate them? I love them? No, I love them too.
That's why I hate them.

Speaker 7 (36:46):
Yes, because you.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yes, I wish them well. Blast they seem healthy.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
Keep it here.

Speaker 7 (36:53):
Whatever you think of Taylor Swift, we will continue what
we are doing. And some of you have been slipping
into our dms and we love nothing more, so we'll
be answering some of those messages topics or juicy.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Listen, I'm Stephanie here with Courtney and body, and I
think we're all shaken. We have just done our little
like mid break after the first hour kind of dance moves.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
And ah, Yogi's with us today, by.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
The way, he's on the mend. But yeah, a little
dancing goes a long way. So listen, we're still kind
of rolling through our talkbacks.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
It's talkback Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Keep them coming. Eight A eight three to one crime.
Let's go to our next one.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
If I may, Stephanie, I would love to do a
DM from Anthony.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
Oh yes, love a DM. Oh hey, let's do it, Anthony.

Speaker 7 (37:43):
Yes, okay, afternoon. I've been listening to the show, and
I've been thinking about the grooming question. Here is a
good compromise when talking about adults that fall into this
type of situation. I like predatory conditioning. It highlights the
calculated nature of the behavior. It is neutral, it avoids
age assumption. The other one I like is manipulative entrapment.

(38:07):
It signals strategic isolation and control. In addition, it could
apply to financial, emotional, or sexual exploitation. Love the show,
Tony with the heart, Tony heart right back to you,
And that's a.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
Great Hearty, gret. What do we think?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
I like the second one the best for some reason.
It sounds even scarier to me, and I do think
it's really dead on the manipulative environment.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Yeah, because I like you both.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
I think the predatory conditioning is more kind of generic,
you know, and the manipulative entrapment kind of signals specific
things like the isolation and Tony said intention.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
I like them both, honestly.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
From different situations, and I don't know that we need
to get so nuanced with it, but I really do
like those suggestions quite a bit.

Speaker 7 (38:55):
Totally, and I love it. You know how he points
it out. It's neutral and avoids the age assumption, all
of the above. So this was really thoughtful Anthony, and
I don't know. There's there's three of us, So let's
take a vote between his two. Predatory conditioning is one.
Manipulative entrapment is two.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
Body manipulative entrapment, Stephanie manipulative entrapment.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
I'm going predatory conditioning, Writney, would it be you know what?

Speaker 10 (39:27):
Just because the conditioning?

Speaker 7 (39:31):
I love that word, because it's over time.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
I see how this goes. You guys A coordinating this
in advance?

Speaker 5 (39:36):
This is crap?

Speaker 7 (39:37):
Okay, okay, Adam or Sam? Do you want to weigh
in between predatory conditioning?

Speaker 15 (39:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
I better better stay out of this. This temperature is
getting hot.

Speaker 7 (39:46):
Yeah, Steph's getting the Stephanie's getting riled up.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
That was really good. Though they're both they're both really great.
Kind of can't go wrong. So do we have another one? Hi?

Speaker 19 (39:59):
Guys, it's calling from Alberta, Canada.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Again.

Speaker 19 (40:01):
I just wanted to say that I'm listening to you
guys live right now, and for all my Canadians out there,
it'll be eight o'clock Mountain time on ninety nine point five.
The River, The River, I knew it best, and then.

Speaker 17 (40:16):
I didn't know this.

Speaker 19 (40:16):
But it plays the like a sponsor aedd during your
break and then it plays a song. Oh so I'm
parting out while waiting for you guys to come back on.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
It's great.

Speaker 15 (40:25):
Love you guys.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Did I call you too? I sat out to that
same music. That's what we rock out to.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
We have a little dance break in between each one
of the do you know segments while the commercials are going.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
Yeah, a little bit, a little bit of inside baseball.
But during the breaks, we do a little dance party.
We can we can visually see each other. We do
a little dance party because we're shaking it off.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
Yeah. I need Canadians in my life.

Speaker 7 (40:50):
This show has introduced the most wonderful Canadians to me.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Yes, they're seriously about it. Need to go via Salillite.
I tried to go catch.

Speaker 6 (41:00):
And they were like, nah, stay there, get me out here,
and they're like, yeah, you're good.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
We don't need you, but come on, well listen, we're
coming right back with more of your talkbacks. This has
been talked back Tuesday. We're talking true crime all the
time thanks to you.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I've been getting a lot of hits on our social
at True Crime Tonight show on Instagram and TikTok oh
and Courtney Armstrong is like, it looks like you're getting
one right now. Are you receiving some sort of a
DM right now? Listen on Facebook It's at True Crime Tonight.
So again, keep them coming or to save us a
talkback in boom, you are on the show. We are

(41:53):
playing talkback roulette, which means none of us know the topic.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
This is scary and I love it.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Sam and Adam and Taha are running the show at
this point and they are surprising us.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
With your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
I like to call this men versus women. Yeah, okay,
this is what's happening right now.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
They're in charge.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
We are listening to them, So hit us, Adam and Sam,
let us just give it to us.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
Shoot him at us.

Speaker 20 (42:19):
Hi, ladies, it's Heather from Wisconsin. Just listened to last
night's episode. In regards to Eric Menendez. I'm gonna say this,
I'm mad.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
I'm really mad.

Speaker 20 (42:30):
I'm not mad, I don't I'm conflicted on what their
punishment should have been. But I think anybody, regardless of
where you stand on that, is going to agree that
those boys did not get a fair trial. That second
trial was not fair. You don't get to have a
trial and not allow half their witnesses. The judge would

(42:52):
not allow that what he called the abuse excuse, which
was their only defense. So at that point the only
thing the jury had to decide was whether they were
giving them life in prison or the dust penalty. It
wasn't a fair trial.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Why do I feel like we went to high school together?

Speaker 7 (43:07):
Like she said, I was gonna say that familiar Stephanie
hands to god, I.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
Was did we got a high school together?

Speaker 2 (43:14):
I it's just a setchem high school student calling real time.
But yeah, that was a really great point, and I
felt pretty mad about it yesterday also. And by the way,
I entered this conversation about the you know Menandez brothers
sort of anti their release in early days when we
first started this show, and you guys kind of all
convinced me otherwise. For so many really important reasons. Honestly,

(43:38):
So I hear you, I really do. I can't wait
to see you at the reunion.

Speaker 7 (43:43):
Seriously, I know I got a high school reunion coming up.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
Maybe I'll see you.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of in the middle too. Honestly,
I'm not pro Menendez and I'm not anti Menendez. I
do think that it had their evidence been admitted at trial,
as it should have been, and they would have been
already and that's kind of my thing. And I don't
think there is you know, necessarily a danger to society.
Did they break some rules in prison? Yeah, but you
know I probably would too, And listen, I'm a rule follower.

(44:12):
I do not break the rules. I'm like so anal
rule follower. It's annoying to all my friends. And I
probably would too to survive, you know, like, oh my god,
I got survive in prison. I'm going to be traded
for a pack of cigarettes.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
Okay, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
Like, I'm a follow I'll do. I'm very compliant, you
know what I mean? Yes, and so yeah, no, I
feel the same way. Thank you for the talk back.
What do we have next?

Speaker 5 (44:37):
This is uh Heather following up she's the one who
went on the Jeffrey Dahmer tour. Just giving that context question,
doesn't there make it so clear at the beginning?

Speaker 21 (44:45):
Okay, sorry, ladies, I live in the woods and got disconnected.
It's Heather from Wisconsin. Just wanted to also mention that
some of the people that still work at this bar
actually served him, and he was a nightmare patron. He
would not allow women to serve him, only men, to
the point where he'd make the bus play fix his

(45:06):
drinks and had to have a particular barstool threatening others
pace trends. So yeah, he's a nightmare.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
We also went to high school together. I'm so glad
everyone's really coming out from the scenes because that's honestly,
I couldn't agree with her more.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
He's a nightmare. He's that guy.

Speaker 7 (45:25):
Yes, well, I mean unsurprising Jeffrey ber.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
Yeah, I'm not shocked, like a serial killer was kind
of like a crappy person shocker, you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
Who's not surprised by that?

Speaker 6 (45:38):
You know, like every single one I'm sure is incredibly
annoying and just the worst person imaginable.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Yuck. I'm just not surprised. At all. Anyway, what do
we thank you for that?

Speaker 7 (45:50):
And speaking of really prolific, notorious and horrible Son of Sam,
just a quick reminder we have true crime and chill
and that is tomorrow we will all be discussing the
Netflix Son of Sam Confessions of a Killer.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
On Netflix. So yeah, tomorrow. You so you haven't started it?

Speaker 10 (46:17):
I have, Yes, I have.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
I am Courtney. I know body you have. But Courtney Armstrong,
you didn't know the name of it. So that made
me have pause.

Speaker 7 (46:24):
Well, because there are two son of Sam's on Netflix.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
Watch the other one. You've watched a lot of it.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I feel like, don't get your show off these days.
I came in this week listen, after a long stretch.
I would not leave my Sam behind. I can't wait
to talk to you guys about it.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
I'm excited.

Speaker 6 (46:45):
Well, don't say anything right now, keep it, keep, don't
give any spoilers. Everybody's got to finish watching by tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
Homework is due.

Speaker 6 (46:54):
Homework is due, and I'm the teacher and I have
a ruler and I'm not afraid to use it. I
am not afraid to use it.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
It's like my sidon great Teacher. Well, just what you guys. Yes,
we have a caller. Ooh, hi Crocker, welcome.

Speaker 14 (47:09):
Hi, Hi Crockfie Ohnophie, yay yay Hi guys. I don't
normally get to listen to you live. I actually only
listened to ten minutes because in Newfoundland we have our
own time zone. It is twelve thirty five am. Here
we have after half hours, go to bed.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
Everyone go to after this call, after this call, after
the show.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
We want to come visit with you and hang out
with you at twelve thirty five in the morning.

Speaker 14 (47:41):
Oh, we go later than that on George Street. It's
well long, yeah, so early, Crocker.

Speaker 7 (47:49):
I know you have something important to say, but I
have to ask you. I went on the Weirdest Tangent yesterday.
Have you read the book The Shipping News?

Speaker 14 (47:57):
I haven't, but I know about it. But there was
also wasn't there a movie done at the Shippy News?
I believe that was here as well. I think they
did in.

Speaker 13 (48:06):
A movie of the book.

Speaker 14 (48:09):
I feel like I had to read it in school,
but I didn't really read it.

Speaker 5 (48:13):
In school exactly. We have to watch the movie. Well,
added to the movie list.

Speaker 10 (48:17):
You're totally right, Okay, yes.

Speaker 7 (48:20):
There is a movie and it is with Julianne Moore
and we love her.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
I love her and Kevin Spacey.

Speaker 7 (48:26):
Yeah, anyway, I derailed, but I'm really falling in love
with Newfoundland reading this book.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
So yeah, tell us what that book. I'm strong.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
You have mentioned that book about four times in the
last four days. Anyway, We're so glad you're talking with us.

Speaker 14 (48:46):
Yeah, I can't believe I'm talking with you all.

Speaker 22 (48:48):
This is awesome.

Speaker 14 (48:49):
My friend also, she will write me because she gets
I'm a teacher, so I'm off in the summertime, we're
still off, she'll write me and say, you were on
the pot again today, So she lets me know. And
she just gave me an okay that if anything ever
happens to her, I can share all of the documents

(49:10):
and pictures of her if any if she gets murdered
her anytime on a podcast.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
That's perfect.

Speaker 14 (49:17):
Dream Yeah, perfect, So I would saying you guys could
come and visit and it could be a work trip.
There actually is a missing person's case from Newfoundland that
has been actually looking it up to see how long
it's been. Nineteen ninety six, so I was only ten.

(49:39):
The O'Brien brothers so there was disappearance of Adam, Trevor
and Mitchell O'Brien and their mom is still looking for them.
Their father, they were not together. He came and picked
them up. They were allegedly allegedly allegedly allegedly by the father,

(50:00):
Gary O'Brien on November ninth, ninety six, and they still
have not been found. They made national and international headlines.
They actually there was a clue. They found a his car,
the father's car, off of a cliff.

Speaker 13 (50:18):
I think it was a middle cove, yeah, in.

Speaker 14 (50:20):
The ocean, but didn't find any remains.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
I went, they found his car in the ocean of
Lefty oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 14 (50:30):
Okay, No, he was No, it was in the ocean
off a cliff. But it was like, yeah, so it's
a I think it was a middle cove. So it
was right by the beach kind of like he drove
it off, so they would have been in the ocean. Yeah,
and their bodies weren't found. And I actually just like

(50:51):
went and did a little bit of body move and
this kind of stuff myself and found a Facebook group
and there are three brothers that look exactly like them,
and they're in the States. Apparently it's not them, but
I I thought you got to look into it.

Speaker 6 (51:11):
You got you gotta put Yeah, you got for details
because it's helloly interesting.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Hello at body Movement.

Speaker 14 (51:19):
Email, Hello at Body Movement. Okay, yeah, I did look
for you as emails for a long time. There's also
another one, Courtney Lake. This is like very recent. She
went missing a little bit of information. They couldn't find
a lot about it. And then her ex or her
partner at the time, who they suspect caused her to

(51:43):
go missing, didn't give up any information nothing, and then
he actually died and her mother is constantly looking for
and trying to find information and all of that. So
it's another big thing here. So you have two works
trip opportunity.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
We get to visit ear Fee's going to be on
the Crocker I love it.

Speaker 6 (52:06):
Yeah, Okay, we'll send me the NFL, send me the info. Seriously,
send me the INFL and well we'll look at the
Facebook stuff. Thank you so much, Crocker for I'm sorry,
Thank you Crocker for calling. We love hearing from our
Canadian friends, especially in New.

Speaker 14 (52:20):
Fee A little bit different.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
I know you guys are very unique. You're very unique.
Up there and we love it though, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
Keep coming and keep calling. Oh wow, so in the ocean.
That kind of got my So.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I love it when we get these types of cases
that we just wouldn't be aware of. So we have
cases again so hard though, because like people are allowed
to disappear, isn't you know, like if I wanted to vanish,
I'm allowed. So sometimes really difficult. I mean for loved ones.
I don't think there's anything worse than probably not even

(53:00):
knowing if your child is dead or alive. I cannot
not knowing if you could sleep one second because you're
still looking and yeah to yours can't vanish.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
Yeah, And it's just like it's like trying to figure
out like was there something subispicious? I can't even speak,
was there something suspicious? Or did they leave on their own?
And getting just to that answer is hard. It's really hard,
and you're constantly wondering, like am I violating this person's
like privacy, you know what I mean, Like it's missing

(53:31):
person's cases are just really really really hard. I just
can't imagine like having to actually work one, you know,
like for real, Oh right, it's gotta be so difficult,
so we'll definitely look into these. Yeah, Cracker, I know,
I gotta love it. So do we have time for
one more?

Speaker 8 (53:49):
Wait?

Speaker 9 (53:50):
And sorry body for this question, But I don't quite
understand why Pecdy wasn't just charged for assault, considering they
have it on videos, and why they went for huge
charges instead of just getting something that they could get

(54:12):
him on. I know our legal systems are a bit different,
but I thought maybe you could find some light on that.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
Bye, that's a great question.

Speaker 6 (54:21):
I think we're going to have to cut to Break
and answer it when we get back, But that is
a really good question, but really quickly. I think it
has a lot to do with something like they wanted
a federal case.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
Exactly, very correct.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Let's go to our next one right now. I just
go knocked over my water. I wanted to answer really
quick before we go to that talk pack. We had
one prior to the break, and remember about about Diddy
and why he wasn't charged with just like assault, right,
and I listen, we're not in the heads of like
you know, these people that decide who gets charged with what.
But I do really think that there were probably enough

(54:59):
complet about Diddy and his actions that they kind of
put together this federal case because I really think they
thought they were going to be able to prosecute, prosecute
him for this rico, right, and then also tie in
all these sex charges and trafficking and whatnot.

Speaker 6 (55:17):
It's kind of like, here's what I really think. They
couldn't prosecute Epstein, right because he died right for whatever reason. Okay,
so let's make a boogeyman. Let's get the boogeyman. It's
going to be Diddy. And I think that kind of
plays in. It's a little bit, a little bit political,
a little bit you know, tough on crime.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
I think it has something to do with that.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
I don't really know, Adam, Everyone's like nodding their heads right,
blocked out, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
But it does make sense.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
And they are kind of the same pockets of problems, right,
We're talking sex trafficking in theory, but different.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
Did they actually prove.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
That the same thing happened in Ditty's world as it
had in Epstein's?

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Was there a cover up?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Tif Did people keep to themselves and get paid to
shut up?

Speaker 5 (56:06):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Was their videotape using really compromising things to blackmail people?
We'll probably never know, but boy, has did heven quiet?

Speaker 5 (56:17):
Huh?

Speaker 6 (56:17):
I know? Well, he keeps filing appeals to get his
sentencing moved up, but they keep getting denied.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
I think he's filed five.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, but he had his moment to be able to
move it up, and then he pushed it.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
I know, while they didn't argue or something. They Yeah, no,
you're right now, sir.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
I think it could have been in October at one point,
and then is it.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Not October third anymore? I think it got moved again.
Let me just check right now.

Speaker 6 (56:40):
Yeah, I'm not sure, but yeah, let's let's continue, Let's
keep going. Let's hit another talk back.

Speaker 23 (56:45):
Hey ladies, Alex from Arizona again, just wanting to tell
you guys that I recently found your show and am
absolutely loving you guys. But another question I have for
you regarding the Idaho four is being if the guilty
convicted murderer here, if you think that his dad possibly

(57:06):
knew something that was going on because of the hour's
long phone calls the morning after you guys, Thank you.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
We love you too. By love you too.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
I want to go on record as saying, yes, I
believe that dad, whether he was conscious of it or not.
I don't necessarily think that Brian directly told Dad. I
don't think that he did. And I would imagine, and again,
I hope never to be anywhere near a situation like this, right,
but imagine you love your son and they're saying one thing,

(57:39):
but somewhere in your gut, you know it's not accurate.
He know in his heart. I have to assume, Yes,
my personal opinion, it's based on nothing.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
Yeah, well I have an opinion too, and I think
I think that he probably talked to Mom that morning, know,
and we know that they talked for a couple hours.
And we also know that at nine am, when he was,
you know, later pinged in Moscow the next morning, he
was on the phone with Mom during that time. So

(58:13):
he's driving back to Moscow after the murders, right nine
am in the morning. He shows up in that area.
We don't know specifically where. He's not on surveillance scene anywhere,
but he's somewhere, right, Maybe he's driving by the house,
maybe he's parked somewhere looking, we don't know, but he's
on the phone with mother. He's on the phone mother now.

(58:33):
Steve Gonsalves has has given some hints that he believes
mom and Dad knew, and he has kind of hinted,
you know, the day of the sentencing, you know, he
didn't he went in obviously or no with the plea,
the plea, the plea.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Day it was he was science in court, he refused
to go inside the building.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
She's the victims, right Father.

Speaker 6 (59:01):
Well, Steve was out in front giving kind of like
a a news conference kind of thing to the bunch
of reporters that were crowded around him, and he implied
that Dad purchased the ticket to fly to drive back
with Brian Coburger, you know, in that drive home. Yep,
last minute, and it was an emergency.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Trip, which is a different story than originally told, which
was this was a long standing plan. Father and son
were always intending on taking this road trip of sorts together.
So yeah, if suddenly he's getting tipped off and buying
this ticket in the eleventh hour to fly down to
get his kookie son out of Dodge and they took

(59:42):
the weirdest way home.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
You know, it wasn't a direct riot route. They took the.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Long way, the scenic view, the scenic route, and got
pulled over twice by authorities, which is crazy from two
separate law enforcement agents.

Speaker 6 (59:56):
Nine minutes apart, I mean literally two agencies. What is
the But I will say, though Bill Thompson didn't, was it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
Bill Thompson did an interview and I can't remember. I
think it might be I think it might be the
Idaho Statesman. And he said in the interview that there's
no indication that mom, dad, or.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
The sisters knew.

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
So it kind of blew my whole theory out the
water because I kind of thought they did. I kind
of even thought the sister might have called in a tip.
That's what I kind of thought.

Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
Many people said that, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
So but according to Bill Thompson, if he's telling the truth,
I can't imagine that he would lie. But you know,
I don't trust anybody, But yeah, according to him, they
did not know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
I think they did.

Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
Well, I don't know, because unless he himself. Coberger's father
is somewhat of a sociopath, he was not flipping out
when cop number one an Officer number two pulled them over.
I would be losing my brains. I think most people would.
And he appeared I thought he had nervous energy. I

(01:00:56):
don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
My dad was nervous. I did. It was like blah
blah blah blah blah blah buth.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
He was like nervous energy, talking like my son's a teacher,
A da dada, and there's this like shooting and Dad
he was just like rambling to me, well, remember there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Had also been this shooting in and around the area.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
But he was just given too much information.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Like when you get pulled over, When I get pulled over,
I've only been pulled over a few times.

Speaker 5 (01:01:19):
Oh no, I'm very by my hands on the wheel
and I shut my mouth. Oh my god, I'm like hysterical.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
It's so scary and honestly, like they're behind you and
you're trying to pull over, and it's so horrifying.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
All I want to do is contress.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I can't imagine having to keep secrets.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
I said it before.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I go to the Miami Airport and they make you
put your hands up in the air and go through
that like spin thing, and I'm like, I feel so guilty.
I don't do drugs and I don't carry guns, and
somehow I think I should be confessing to something. So
I can't imagine what those two clowns we're dealing with
in that car that night.

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
M Sam says, not to tell you any secrets because
you're going to confess them all. No keeper to the
listening to crime tonight, do not give Stephanie any of
your secrets.

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
Give us a call it eighty eight thirty one crime
or hit us on the talkbacks on the iHeart Radio.
What do we have next?

Speaker 24 (01:02:11):
Hey, ladies, is Ainsley calling from I have a question
for body. You were talking about amber alerts and the
criteria for them. I was wondering if you can give
a history of where they came from and then some
of the criteria and as well as there are they
only used for kids or are they used for adults too? Anyways,

(01:02:35):
talk to you later, ladies.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
Wow, ye what a good question. Yeah, very clever question.
So go ahead.

Speaker 7 (01:02:42):
Oh I was going to say the amber as you
pulled together all your thoughts because that was a really deep,
really involved question. But Amber alerts are for children, and
then they have silver alerts for adults and older people.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
Yeah, silver alerts. They also have one for adults that
are not so they have the silver alerts for elderly people.
They have endangered child alerts. For maybe children that aren't
you know, seen in a car, but you know, endangered nonetheless,
maybe they need medication or you know, they have some
kind of disability, or if they believe that the child

(01:03:21):
is at great risk of harm, that's an endangered child alert.
Amber alerts. They had the silver alerts, which Court and
you already covered.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
I think it's a.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Gray alert or a blue alert. Oh, a blue alert
is for a police officer or first responder. There's one
and I can't remember. I can know that, yeah, there's one,
and and I can't remember if it's what color it is,
but it's for the gap between silver and amber, and
it's for like adults that are.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
You know, at risk.

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
I just can't remember the color right now. And my
understanding is that the Amber alert system was built around
a girl that got kidnapped and her name was Amber,
right right, And that's kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Which did not have a happy ending. No I did not,
But the Amber alerts really do. It's an extraordinary effort
and they're wildly effective. They are, which really speaks the community.
He really speaks to us all working together and looking
to each other and trusting in one another, and we
can keep each other safe.

Speaker 7 (01:04:23):
Wow, And there are many it so I'm just in
I don't know if this is California specific. I did
a quick search and the California Highway Patrol website popped up.
But yes, there's amber, there's blue. As you said, body,
there's ebony feather alert.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:41):
Oh the feather that's new by the way, for they
didsona that was for indigenous folks.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's a really good one. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
And I think they're well, I think they're going to
try to do a national one. They're gonna name it
Turquoise Alerts for Missing and Murdered Indigenous or missing Indigenous
people Turquoise. I just can't remember the color of the adult.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
Do you have that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Handy or let's see, it's not amber, it's not blue. Well,
if you know, let us give us a call.

Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
I know there is one. I just have any cause
for African American. Oh that's good people.

Speaker 7 (01:05:18):
Yeah yeah, but silver is actually just for over eighteen.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Okay, Well I'll there. There's there's a new one and.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
It's supposed to take The silver is supposed to be
for like you know, elderly folks, maybe they have dementia
or you know they're struggling with some kind of you know,
memory loss.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
Those are supposed to be for silver alerts.

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
And they created a new one and it's supposed to
be the gap for you know, the missing between you know,
the elderly folks and the kids.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
I just can't remember the color. But thank you for
the talkback. What else we got? Oh? Do we even
have time for another one? I don't even if we
have time for another one? Evening?

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
No, we're I guess we're too tight on time.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
Just about a minute left.

Speaker 6 (01:05:59):
Oh, well then we can't do that. But yeah, the
Amberler system is incredibly effective. But the only problem with
the Ambler alerts, you guys, is that there has to
be a car scene. Right in many cases, you know,
if a kid runs away, there might not be a
car right, And there might not be because every single
Amber alert I've ever gotten is you know, last scene

(01:06:22):
in this white Cadillac license plate one two three for
five six seven out of Arkansas. Right, it's very rare.
There are Ambler alerts. Sebastian Rogers was one of them
who he got an Amber alert and there was no
car scene.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
But they're super super rare.

Speaker 25 (01:06:49):
Let's go to our next talkback, I ever wanted Cynthia
from Canada calling Carson. Neighborhood watch very popular in the
seventies and eighties in Canada as well, But today's neighborhood
watch is secure cameras and it's less personal.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
But you know, we have a record of things.

Speaker 25 (01:07:04):
And also homes are much farther away from roadways and
sidewalks today, and garages impede the vision of things. So
I can see why the personal neighborhood watch has kind
of disappeared. But also think about the Guardian Angels out
of New York. Having listened to Son of Sam.

Speaker 6 (01:07:20):
Oh, Yeah, that's a really good point that I didn't
even consider. So maybe I didn't even consider that. Yeah,
you're right, Ring neighbor the ring cam is our neighborhood
watch now, right. But I think with neighborhood Watch, we
had like a sense of like purpose and community, you
know what I mean, Like there was right, like.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
There were no bystanders.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
You would feel confident that your neighbor would come and
save the day or recognize if something suspicious were in
the neighborhood or something suspicious in and around your home.

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
I love the iNTS that I.

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
Love the you know what, Thank you Cynthia, because I
love that we put out a call. You called us in.
We got the talkback right away. I love the talkbacks,
I really do.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
Boddy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
You need to get to know your neighbors. So maybe
on your homework list is that you go and introduce
yourself and maybe you bring a little cupcake or some pie.
Go to the rest of your neighbors.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
If I can get at and I order a steak
and potatoes and they serve me salmon and green beans.
I don't even complain. I'm just not a talker. I'm
just not like, well I'm on a talk show. What
not a talker? Having out of I don't approach people.
I don't like go up to people. Hi, how you doing?

(01:08:31):
You know, I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Do you it When I gave you so many hugs
when I first that was different that I practically put
you in a headlock and gave you niokies, like I
couldn't get enough hugs on you if my life depended
on it. Well, you should get to know your neighbors.
My names really really nice. And Courtney has a whole
community over there. She's running a high stake spoiler room.
With her neighbors all the neighborhood problems.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
Well, I don't know, we'll.

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
See, but thank you for the talk medium, Really we
really appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
What else we have?

Speaker 15 (01:09:06):
Hi guys, is Tara from Alberta, Canada. Again, I just
want to say that I like to respond to my
question last time about the Virginia Missing Children. And I
was wondering if you guys have heard about Mark Twitchell,
the truth head case here in Canada. It's pretty infamous.
He's now in jail, but he's dubbed Dexter Killer, and
I was just wondering to see if you guys knew

(01:09:28):
anything about that and then he could possibly cover it
because it's really, I would say, morbidly curious.

Speaker 6 (01:09:33):
Thank you a hundred million percent infa. It is so interesting.
So this guy, he was obsessed with the Dexter Show.
Do you guys know the Dexter Show on showtime? Of course, unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
It was so good.

Speaker 6 (01:09:47):
While he was like putting, uh what dating what he
had dating profile and he was pretending to be a woman,
and he was making films and like he set up
this whole kill room and like lured somebody to the
room and he was going to like film them getting
tied up. He went too far. So if you don't

(01:10:07):
know who Dexter is, Dexter is a character on Showtime
show Dexter. He's a blood spatter analysis, okay, and he
his mother gets killed and he witnesses it and he's
sitting in blood. So he has like this disdain.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
A baby. So he has like this disdain for killers,
so he hunts killers and he kills them. Oh my
poor dog, Oh my goodness. So yeah, it's so interesting.
It's so good.

Speaker 6 (01:10:35):
And Mark Twitchell's case is so interesting we absolutely should
cover it. Maybe we could cover it during the Halloween week.

Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
I'm a Foh you know it's Friday the thirteenth this year,
is it?

Speaker 15 (01:10:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I think Halloween falls on a Friday this year, but
not Friday the thirty first.

Speaker 10 (01:11:05):
That doesn't say it all. That doesn't say it all.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
There's no recovery from that. I should be youthized. Can
somebody just take it out and I'll be You'll be
for We're gonna have to edit the side of the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
I know it is, okay, you can leave it live
and real with a straight face.

Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
I love it. That's so funny.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
But now, Mark Twitchell, please we have to go work.
Thank you so much for the talkback. It's really one
of the most fascinating cases. I looked into it because
of Luca, because Luca put out an ad on Craigslist
that he wanted to film a movie and that's basically
one of the things that he did to meet somebody, Okay,

(01:11:49):
so uh and of course he did meet somebody, and
of course that was John Lynn.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
And you know, anyway, so.

Speaker 6 (01:11:56):
I researched Mark Twitchell because it was similar, you know,
and that's how all right, because he was also Canadian
on top of it. So yeah, I know a lot
of weird stuff. I mean, let me just tell you
that I know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
A lot of weird stuff. Thank you so much for
the talkback. What else do we have? What's next?

Speaker 22 (01:12:13):
Hey, lady Stephanie from Ohio. I just wanted to do
a quick comment on the missing baby in California and
in history, it seems like when a baby is missing,
a lot of times the cops focus on the parents
and it's more of your guilty until proven innocent, and
based upon their ethnicity, maybe they want to be more
out of the spotlight due to the political climate and

(01:12:35):
fear of being deported thoughts.

Speaker 6 (01:12:38):
Oh, well, you know, normally I probably would agree with you,
you know that, But I just I don't think that's
the case here. I think that I think that the cops, listen,
making an arrest, getting a probable cause warrant without a
body is so hard, it is so difficult. So they

(01:13:01):
had enough to arrest them. So there's got to be
something there, right, And then the mother's story, you know that, Oh,
somebody said O lah to me and you know, knocked
me unconscious, and there's literally no evidence of that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
There's no evidence of that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:19):
And you know, then of course Jake Harrow, who is
the father of Emmanuel Horrow and his history with children
is not good. And then of course we see him
in the orange jumpsuit earlier this week on the side
of the highway, possibly trying to tell police or something
where maybe the body is. You know, there's there's a

(01:13:41):
lot here, and I do think or there's smoke, there's fire.

Speaker 5 (01:13:44):
With this case.

Speaker 6 (01:13:45):
But normally I would agree with you, because I'm very
much the person that does not blame the parents. Initially,
I wait, I sit back, you know what I mean,
Like It's just horrible to think that you know you're
missing a child and now you're getting blamed for it
on top of it. Right, that's horrifying. But I do
think in this case, I do think there's some smoke

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or some fire.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
And if you know, that's the protocol, if God forbid,
something happened to your child and you knew that first
up is going to be me as the first person
of interest or you know, Dad or whomever. That's just common.
So you think you would want to like blow through
that process as fast as possible and be as forthcoming
as possible with authorities, take whatever test, give whatever it

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is needed, because you want the word out.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
You'd be screaming from the rooftops. Right.

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
And by the way, they were charged officially today, Yeah,
so mom, Mom was a charge with false report of
a crime, murder in the first degree and depth child jurisdiction.

Speaker 5 (01:14:46):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 6 (01:14:48):
And then Dad was charged with false report of a crime,
murder with malice, willful harm of a child, felony, possession
of a firearm, prohibited ownership, et cetera of AMMO. So
there's there, there's something there, and we just don't know
what it is yet. Hopefully we'll get a PCA soon
and we'll find out. But I think they're going to
want the body.

Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
First there on each other. Do you think no love loss?
Do you think yeah? I think that's right. I think
Dad was given a tour of what under the bus?
Do you think mom did something? Yeah, I think it was.
I think Dad's going to throw Mom under the bus.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
And I are at the scene doing a little talk
in a little walk with the authorities.

Speaker 6 (01:15:26):
In the document release today, the cops said that he
has been missing it from August fifth, So he's been missing.
Remember the other day, I was like, I think he's
been missing, right, Yeah, he's been missing longer than reported.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
There's something that is something you don't I mean a baby, right?

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
Baby?

Speaker 7 (01:15:44):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:15:46):
Well listen, we are definitely going to be covering this
as more information unfolds. Thank you so much for that
talk back, Yes very much. You're listening right now to
True Crime Tonight, and I'm Courtney Armstrong. I'm here with
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It's a lot of insight from a lot of experts.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Recognize the voice Courtney Armstrong is so good on it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
We love your voice, crist and oh you're.

Speaker 7 (01:16:27):
So sweet, and all of us, I mean, yeah, we're
all you know on it and Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert.
So okay, I got very off topic, but if you
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and then.

Speaker 6 (01:16:45):
Why I was just going to remind people tomorrow's true
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love us know your questions, like what did you get
out of it?

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
You know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We're going
to be talking about it tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
When are we going to talk about Amanda Knox? When
we watched that one? Mmm, I've already deired that one too,
Apparently I have no life. How is this possible that
I've seen that?

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
Also? You watched it already. I've already watched it. Did
you watch the one on Hulu or the one on Netflix?

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I'm not quite sure the one of whom old Monica
Lewinsky one? Okay, I haven't seen that one. I'm not
totally sure what Monica Lewinsky was on it?

Speaker 6 (01:17:38):
Monica da Knox, Yeah, Monica Lewinsky was on the Amanda
Knox documentary.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Yeah, okay, yeah, it was much the ABC News.

Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
Somebody get in my back here, I know I have
not I.

Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
Kind of feel like you were falling in and out
of sleep and like unconscious.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
But I do believe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Yeah, Vargas, who's my girl on the A B SE
News that I love?

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
Nicole Vargas? Is that her first lie last name? Vargus?

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
For sure, she's on it and is highlighted, and some
Monica Lewinsky is on it. Amanda Knox herself is on it,
and by the way, I thought it was pretty compelling.
Elizabeth Vargas, Elizabeth Vargas, I love Elizabeth Vargas.

Speaker 5 (01:18:22):
Let me know who that is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Oh, she's so cute and smart. But she's in it.
And I don't know what that would have been. I
think that was on ABC.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
Hmmm, I don't know. Stephanie had a little riddle Monica
Lewinsky and the Man of NOx. Maybe I saw that
on Friday at thirteen maybe.

Speaker 7 (01:18:40):
Everyone's favorite Halloween Day.

Speaker 5 (01:18:44):
Very interesting, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:18:45):
Actually it would make sense actually because both at young ages,
were brought into the public eye in an international and
unrelenting way.

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
So maybe she made it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Maybe Monica, Yeah, she pe second of producer, but she
was on it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
All right. I believe you were awaken. This exists, and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
We swear shine and we all have the undeniable giggle.

Speaker 10 (01:19:11):
What's worse.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
I don't know why we all find it. We all
have like church giggles right now, our apologies. I think
Listen until Tuesdays is a blast. It is literally our favorite.
So it's less heavy, right, it's less holy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
I mean, like we have talked about some heavy things
we do. We get to talk to people, and everyone is.

Speaker 6 (01:19:31):
So smart and so nice.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
And Courtney once she had somebody slide into her sad.

Speaker 7 (01:19:41):
I am repulsed by myself. I would like to apologize one.

Speaker 5 (01:19:45):
More time for that crazy uh never again, there is
it a celebrity. I can't into your dms. My goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Fun?

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
Okay, all right, well pull you back to you and
Halloween on right. I mean I'll never live it down before.
I shouldn't. That's pretty bad. We need to roll it in.
We need to wrap it up. Okay, And I have
a DM.

Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
It is not a sexy one, but I did have
a DM. This is from Kristen and it says, regarding
Brian Koeberger and the drive home with his father who
drives all the way across the country for Thanksgiving, you
have to be back the following monday for class. Was
he not planning to return? It seemed so fishy to
me that his dad knew nothing As a parent, I

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would have so many questions about why he wanted to
drive home. Great question, Love the DM, But he was
not due back on the following monday. He was going
to be He was supposed to be there until after Christmas,
when the semester restarted. But guess what, he got fired,
so he was never going back. Right, once you get fired,
I mean, he's going to be losing tuition, he's going

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to be losing his special housing, he's going to be
losing all his benefits, he's not going to be a
teacher's assistant anymore, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But
he didn't tell anybody this happened, so as far as
his parent to do, he was going to be there
for about a month, right, And then he gets there, right,
and on Christmas Day he's reading about you know, this
white Alantra in the New York Times, and he's panicking.

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He starts googling himself and googling psychosis, and he's he's
googling all these things, and he's also googling, how do
I get rid of this white car? Like he is
starting to He is un unraveling real time. But yeah,
back to your DM, though, it seems so ficient to
me that his dad knew nothing. I agree, Kristen, I

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totally agree. It does seem fishy to me too. If
I have a kid, and I well, if I have
three kids, right, and two of them are successful, you know,
wonderful children, as his sisters.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
Seem to be.

Speaker 6 (01:21:45):
And then I got this weirdo, right autism aside, I
have autism.

Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
I'm not.

Speaker 6 (01:21:50):
I'm not like Brian Coberger has nothing to do with that,
right autism aside, you got this weirdo. I would be
wondering too, like, hm hmm, there was this murder, you know,
five miles from his house. My son has a cilantra.
He bought a k bar and it had it shipped
to my house. I would be like, something's fishy here.

Speaker 7 (01:22:08):
We would have to assume also that they knew he
bought a k bar, and we knew.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
I have no idea.

Speaker 7 (01:22:14):
The boxes arrived from my husband every other day from Amazon.
I don't know, you know what kind of what's in them?

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
Do you guys share an account? No, they do, because
oh they did it? Did the fourth documents say a
family account? That's right, I forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
But ps, I don't know Amazon account from your husband's.

Speaker 7 (01:22:33):
I think it's a key to a healthy marriage. You
need the person you live with knowing it free ointment
you use like.

Speaker 10 (01:22:41):
Or if you're going to buy them a.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
Gift, that's true. The gift thing I mean the.

Speaker 7 (01:22:45):
Gift, but no, I yeah, fair, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
I think it's fishy.

Speaker 6 (01:22:50):
I think it's a very fair question. We don't know
the answer to that. Maybe someday we'll get answers. I
do think Brian Koberger is going to squeal soon. I
don't know when the gonna happen, but as at tension
dies down, I think he's gonna miss it. I think
he's gonna miss it and he's gonna start talking. What
do you guys think?

Speaker 7 (01:23:07):
I think he won't be able to help himself.

Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
And yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
I don't find know what the answer is there. But guys, listen,
we're going to be back tomorrow. So this night is
already a rap. It's been extraordinary. So tomorrow make sure
you watch. Are you watching, because we have our true
crime and chilled night one, So Sena, Sam, this is
true crime tonight. We're talking true crime all the time.

Speaker 14 (01:23:31):
Matth