Talkback Tuesday: Ghislaine Maxwell, Serial Killers, ‘Going Postal’, and More

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. Oh we are
talking true crime all the time. It's Thursday, August nineteenth day.
We made a Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Rather, it's only Tuesday. Listen.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
A sign of the times. I just moved and that
is a sign of the time.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
So welcome to Tuesday, everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm Stephanieleidecker here with Body move in and look. Courtney
Armstrong is off tonight, but Taha, producer, our beloved Taha
is jumping in at all costs. And of course we
have Sam and Adam in the studio.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Here with us.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
So it is talk Back Tuesday, and it's our favorite
day of the week.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
You guys have done such a.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Great job given us a bunch of talkbacks, so we're hoping.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
To cram them all in.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
We're actually trying to organize them by almost like bisection.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
So body and.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I don't know what's to come, but the team is
working very hard to sort of aggregate all of them.
So it seems a little cohesive. Obviously, you can still
call in live eight eight eight three one crime.

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Speaker 3 (01:29):
Body, you're already up in your chair, let's hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
I'm right head, I am listen. Tuesday is my favorite
day of the week. I am obsessed with the Top
Max because I feel like it's more conversational and I
really like the conversation, yes, exaccination. So I'm so excited
for tonight. And here's what I understand. My understanding from
TAHA is that they're organizing it by subject because like
we have like a couple on Epstein, we have a

(01:51):
bunch on Cloburger, we have you know, but then there's
like random ones, right, don't tell I don't want to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
That's all I no. I don't know why. I'm better
going in blind. I need you to know this though.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
They're going to be organized by subject at first, but
then we're going to go to Sam and Adam's choice
for talkback Roulette, and that's what it's going to get
mixed up and we're you know, oh what's coming now?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
It's like, oh my god, what's happening? So we'll let
you know.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
It's almost like it's going to get progressively more challenging.
I know you're going to like it. You're gonna love it.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
I'm going to get voted off the island.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
No, you never get voted off the island, because I
will fight to the death.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
I promise that will never happen.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
So Samuel and Adam equals Samuel Adams the beer.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
We're just sort of discovering this.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Of course, Body the analyst figured this out, like, can
we just call for Sam Adams because it feels like
we should all be having a proverbial coile together.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Need their own identity, Okay, sam an I do like
Salmon Adam fair enough?

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Okay, well where should we begin? I don't know what
do we do?

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Why don't you just We're going to just go for it.
This first one is a little more general, but it's
a way to get to know you.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
So oh then you right now, let's just do it.

Speaker 6 (03:04):
Hi, guys love the show.

Speaker 7 (03:06):
I was just wondering, what's the case.

Speaker 8 (03:08):
That got you involved in true crime?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Thank you? Oh that's a good one. Go ahead, Boddy.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I know, I think I know your answer, but I
would love to hear it. It's kind of a two
part Can I do two parts of course? Okay, So
the first one, the first part was West Memphis three. Yes,
that got me interested in the true crime genre like
I was back in the day.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Okay. You used to go to like a GeoCities website.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Like you know, it was old school internet stuff, and
you used to sign up to talk to other people
that are interested in the safe subject as you. And
they were called list serves and basically what it was
it was just a mass email. Every day, it's a
mass email, and so you would email the list serve
and everybody in the West Memphis three list would get

(03:55):
your email and that's how you would communicate. You know,
now we have you know, Twitter in full and you
know whatnot. And then we would all get on IRC,
which was Internet relay chat. You guys, I am really
aging myself here, okay. Well, and then I started getting
into that and then they would call like Damian and
Jesse and whatnot in prison and we would talk to

(04:15):
them through IRC and through this lifts anyway, That's what
got me involved with true crime in the genre. What
actually got me in the business, I guess I don't
know how else to say. That is perfect Don't f
with Cats honestly the case that did that because I
had been doing all these things, and in fact, Lucas
wasn't the first thing I ever did, but you know,

(04:38):
it got like attention and it was kind of like
I think if maybe the first case of or documented case,
I should say, it's probably not the first, let me
be real, I'm not like, but it was probably one
of the first cases where like slew thing was featured,
and so I got a lot of attention, you know,
just via and here we are.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I would like to add to that because I I
watched Don't f with Kats during COVID early days.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
My backstory is I used to make sort of loud
reality shows, some of which I got to make with
Taha producer Taha we were on Temptation Island together, and
I used to make The Bachelor and American Idol back
in the day and more unscripted. But I've always been
a true crime fan, a watcher and a listener first
and foremost. And when I first started Katie Studios, we

(05:27):
started working with Nancy Grace, and she really did teach
us kind of the ins and outs of victim forward
crime and from there we did the piked in Massacre,
which was our very first podcast and are probably my
personal first obsession with a case, meaning not that I
was obsessed with a crime, but yeah, it hadn't been solved.

(05:50):
It was unsolved, and I felt like we were kind
of in the behive and sometimes it does take a
second set of eyes to look at something and sure
it just it felt like my DNA had changed. Cut
to I'm watching Netflix one day randomly and DONEF with
Cats comes on, and this is really like my hand

(06:10):
is up right now as if on a Bible. And
I watched donef with Cats and it changed my DNA
yet again, we were already working in true crime, but
that really just kind of clicked for me in terms
of actionable true crime, something that you can put information
out there and maybe with group thought and community.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Maybe we can move the needle a little bit. Because
I was an audience. Still. I know how to make TV.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I know how to make content and documentaries and things
and podcasts, but the idea that with fresh eyes and
kind hearts, you can really look at a crime.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I mean, look at the police only.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Have so much time to go back in time, right, Like,
there's enough crime happening real time, and sometimes if done
ethically as you did so incredibly, then you know we
can actually maybe move the needle a little.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
And I think that's a spirit of this show.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Certainly, the Piketon massacre was the first for me in
terms of the deep dive, and that's I guess where
this all evolved from.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yes, I met Bobby crime Con.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
We were in the green room, and again I had
had this experience in my head and in my heart,
but we.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Had never met.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
And now we're in a green room crime Con Courtney
and I are also doing a panel. Body is there
as well, and I basically jumped up from the table
as soon as I saw you, and I about tackled you.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Honestly.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
We took photographs together. I was like fangirling.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
I was like, you have no idea.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I head up KT Studios and I feel as though
my DNA changed once I saw you. I really felt it.
And then I sort of said like, hey, look, if
you ever want to work together, we're doing all kinds
of fun stuff.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Cut two years later, here.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
We are, yeah, and startners, and you were so kind
and I felt immediately welcomed, you know what I mean,
like like fandom I really love I felt. I felt it,
and it's definitely reciprocated.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
So yeah, and now we get to play.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Together every day and you are somebody who I admire
so deeply.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
And Courtney and I were sort of giggling on the way.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Out because it was like, oh my god, She's like,
I haven't really seen you behave that way in front
of anyone.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
So it is true.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
And that week end was so surreal for me that
Joseph Scott Morgan was there.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yes, it was.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
That's where I met him. I met him at her
Vegas crime Con. That was my second crime con and
it was a year and a half after don'n f
with Cats came out, so like the attention was still
really high on us. And you know, it's waned off
since then, obviously, I mean clearly, but like I have
not been I'm not used to receiving attention, you know

(08:49):
what I mean. I kind of sit in the back
and I'm kind of a quiet person. I like to
observe more than I like to speak. Now, so yeah,
give her a pod. That makes sense, right, that.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Makes total sense. Now here's a chat show for two
hours live every single night. But I will say this,
that's the best part.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Of this case because you know, when we do documentaries
or podcasts, obviously they're a deep dive into a specific
case and it's very serious and we want to make
sure it's handled delicately and we never want to you know,
accuse anybody of murder or interrupt an investigation or we
don't want to bring you know, harm or just you know,

(09:28):
regurgitate sad things. So when this opportunity popped up for
us to be able to chat like we would normally
like we do, it's the best case scenario because we
get to you know, interact with you guys and talk
backs and listeners. So it's just one big conversation. So
here's to it. More of it, Here's to it. Okay,

(09:50):
next one.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Thank you so much for that talk.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
All right, that was a really good one. But yeah,
we got a lot of good ones coming. And I
just wanted to add to your point. We're all fanning
out about body. But I also had a resurfacing love
of true crime because of don't have f with cats.
Mine goes all the way back to the days when
I worked with Stephanie, back with John Benay and all
of those true crime stories. Yes, when I saw that

(10:15):
Netflix doc, it was it was to this day like
one of the best documentaries the true crime docs I've
ever seen.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
So yeah, and if you haven't seen it, by the way,
we're you know body like literally was a big piece
of solving a prolific serial killer case. And you know,
Tahan and I go back, I don't know, twenty plus
years at this point, so we've made a lot of
content together in different.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Ways, in different sexes. Sally, I was.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Way back then, so I know. Now we're dating ourselves.
So enough of dating ourselves. Let's get to another.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Fabulous how about that? All right, let's do another one.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
Hey, guys, I really love your show and I look
forward to listening to you guys every single day. I
just have a question when it comes to a cooling
off period. Is there a way that authorities or professionals
can distinguish between a true cooling off period and maybe
just an external life change like moving, health issues, family obligations,
things like that, Like, how do they know that a

(11:16):
serial killer is in a cooling off period.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Thank you guys. Bye. Wow.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Okay, so this this is going to be a long answer.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
I don't know their time.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
We do, do we? Okay? Oh well two hours. Yeah,
there is definitely a difference. This is such a good,
like legitimately good question. So, yeah, there is a difference. Obviously.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
You know, if you have a major life change and whatnot,
it's going to look the same on paper if you
have a cooling off period, right, it's gonna it's gonna
look the same observationally, cops are not going to know
until they start investigating that person. Right, So a cooling
off period is think of it as like a mental reset. Okay,
like maybe like when you go on vacation, right, totally different.

(12:02):
But you go on vacation and then you get home
and then you have to go to work. You get
home on a Sunday and you have to go to
work on Monday. You would really like to take that
Monday off because you just need to you need to
break because of your vacation.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Right, you need a cooling off period.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
You need a cooling off period, and it's just a
mental reset. And obviously, if there's a major life change,
like you move or you meet somebody maybe you know,
those things are going to be able to be investigated,
but they're not going to be able to do that
until they have a suspect. Right, But let's just say
they have a suspect, how do they determine is it
a cooling off period or is it a life change? Well,

(12:37):
they start investigating, they'll find things like they moved, you know,
they'll they'll do those things, or in rare occasions, the
suspect will talk, and in some of those occasions, the
suspect will describe that, you know, after they did what
they needed to do to satisfy whatever urge they have,
they felt better and they had they just started developing

(12:58):
urges again.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
So that's that's how they Other dots.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
We want to hear from you eighty eight to three
one crime because talkback Tuesday is kind of our favorite
day of the week.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
It's been a long week.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's been a long day, I might add, so nothing bad,
but hearing from you guys makes our hearts sing. So
go ahead, what should be our next talkback? To do it?

Speaker 9 (13:30):
Well?

Speaker 5 (13:30):
We have gotten so many talkbacks about Epstein, so I
thought we would spend some time diving into some of those.
So let's do it, Sam and Adam, let's go to
one of those.

Speaker 10 (13:40):
It's great listening to you guys really enjoy it. On
Galley Max, well, they really need to put it back
into confinement. She's just the worst, the worst, and she
has been found guilty of trafficking and as a survivor
of sexual assault and domestic abuse, I find this really upsetting.
I'm highly from Australia.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Thank you. Oh.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
First of all, we love you and Australia first and foremost,
and we're really happy that you're pushing through. I'm so
sorry for experience. Yeah, and survivors, you know, they have
to tell the tale, right, So we.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Got everybody's got a band together.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
And I think this is why the Gilaine Maxwell case
is bothering all of us so much. This is a
convicted sex offender. And you know, listen, chis exactly of children.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Sometimes we say underaged women, and I hate that.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I actually hate that term. And I never really understood
why we never say underage men. They're children. They're not
even underage, they're just young girls. And whether you're underage
or not, it doesn't matter if you have been in
an experience that has been violent and sexually charged or
any of the above. If you're experiencing trauma, this case

(15:01):
will trigger you because they're getting away with it, is
what it feels like.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I was thinking about this.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
You know, I don't really think about the Ebstein case
all that much, you know, my real life, Okay, but
I was thinking, for whatever reason, I was watching something
like CNN or something and Ghlaine Maxwell her image came
up on the TV and I started thinking about this,
and I wanted your opinion about it, Stephanie.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
I'm kind of pleased, yes, because it's actually one of
the things I only think about. I think about Glaine
Maxwell and Epstein.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Way more than I should.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Honestly, I'm afraid to ke even text about it, but
I think about it all the time.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Well, I was wondering if, Okay, now we know that
Glaine Maxwell, she also not only did she recruit, but
she actually participated.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Right this is what she's been convicted.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
She was an active participant in abusing these children right there,
And there doesn't seem to be a massive uproar about
her being moved to this It's like temporary, you know,
minimum security where she can leave for the day or whatever,
there doesn't seem to be a big upwarn I'm kind
of wondering, do we think it's because she's like a

(16:11):
prim and proper woman, or like, if this were Epstein,
wouldn't do you think the uproar would be bigger?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
I think it's a straight up cover. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I do think you're one hundred percent correct. I think,
including just in our talk back, it seems inappropriate that
no one's more upset that somebody who's been really she's
looking at twenty years behind bars for real, active, bad
sex crimes and now suddenly for reasons we cannot ever

(16:43):
be told, and it seems very odd to me or
dare I say suspicious that somebody of this caliber in
terms of their crimes, could be put into a low security,
minimum security place with white collar criminals even and the
people in the current prison she's in are mad about
it because it's not customary to be around, you know,

(17:07):
violent or sexual offenders in this case. So something happened
behind the scenes that were just not privy to.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
That's my two cents.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Again, I'm nervous to sometimes say this stuff out loud
because I don't want it seems like a scary topic,
but there is more to it happening behind the scenes.
And you know, we were told that she would never
get a pardon, that she was you know, convicted and
had to do the time for her crime. Now suddenly
she was moved seemingly in the dead of night. And
you're right, nobody's really talking about it. She is at

(17:39):
a minimum security prison where there are very few cameras.
There's not even you know, twenty four hour surveillance. There's
I think ropes, not bars anywhere. This is where you
would go when you have issues with tax evasion. Right,
you're not really you're not really a menace to society.

(18:00):
That to me is a problem, and I think for
victims around the country it's a problem because she has
victimized many and those victims are getting no say.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
And that's the part that I find really confusing.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, I agree, and I think it's did I read
Stephanie that she is now on like some kind of
work release so she can leave during the day and
come back.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
No, not that I'm aware of, but he Jeffrey Epstein,
who has you know, taken his own.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Life allegedly, allegedly allegedly, Let's be.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Real, suddenly, you know, when he committed suicide, there were
no cameras.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Suddenly, the guards weren't there.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
You know, there was just all of these things that
went wrong that one night he many years ago was
convicted in Florida and West Palm Beach and he was
allowed to kind of troll all day and do work
things and then he would have to just go sleep
in jail for the night. Like what is sweetheart deal?
Only money can actually get you that kind of a deal.

(19:04):
And I think it's just a scary time when we
look at this level of abuse against women. And again,
I'm not trying to get on a soapbox here, but it.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Makes me so mad.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
So if you you know, and again, if anybody listening
has been the victim of any kind of abuse, let's
stand up like this is not okay, and at the
bare minimum, let's look out for each other. Because somehow
Gieley Maxwell is swipping through the cracks and she's not
being held to the same standard that.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
That anybody else would be. And I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, I don't know either.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
I don't know why she's getting such leniency. Leniency, and
then some right.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
No, wow, that's a good talk back, thank you for that.
Stephanie went on for about five minutes about that time.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Was I grandstanding?

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Sorry, No, you're passionate girl. You don't have to talk
to me about that. You've sat on my rants many times,
so you're good.

Speaker 11 (20:01):
There. This is dre in Utah, the one that gets
super fired up about this whole push to get the
Menanda's brothers out. Random thought on the dlamee Maxwell. Okay,
you know she got moved to the Federal Club, right?

Speaker 4 (20:21):
She was moved?

Speaker 11 (20:22):
Is anyone had answering why she was moved? It's like,
in all this going on with the testimony and trying
to get immunity all that, why are they saying she
was moved? Because I have not heard that anywhere. So yeah,
if I've missed it somewhere, let me know, but let
me know her journey.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Her attorney, David Marcus or David O. Marcus, said that
the transfer happened because she needed safer placement, and he
posted that on x That's that's the only reason I
even know about it.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Doesn't let me a break.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
That's what he said. She was in danger and she
needed safer placement, which truly doesn't make any sense. It
literally does not make sense to me.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Can I just say a little out there thought, unsubstantiated.
I think this is a workaround because ultimately she was
looking to talk to the Supreme Court, talk to Congress
about getting a pardon, and she wanted to speak before them.
Suddenly the White House people, Pam Bondies number two. Everybody
was going to talk to Gallaine Maxwell, including jd Vance,
our Vice President, taking all politics out of it.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
A pardon fair, No one's changing her her actual crime
or what she's been convicted of. So yeah, it's on
its nose. It is not a pardon, or is it.
It's like a secret pardon. It's a little pretend pardon.
It's like a little under the table, under the table pardon.
This one gets to walk around, she's on jogs, she's
eating good meals. She is living a life that many

(21:51):
people here today don't have that same benefit from They
get she gets free room and board, she gets to
get exercise, she's watching TV, getting Wi Fi, watching the
soap operas, watching Bravo. It is nonsense, specifically because so
many of Jeffrey Epstein's victims and hers have come forward
to say that they are disgraced and they are tortured

(22:13):
by these new events, and our hearts go out to them.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Right hey, and if you if you guys, if you
guys have been at Club Fed, listen and no judgment
for me, I'm from the same year felons, like, no judgment,
Give us a call eight to eight thirty one crime.
I want to know what it's like in one of
these one of these facilities, you know what I mean. Like,
I want to know if you've been at Club Fed
and you've also been in like a more restrictive prison,

(22:37):
Like what is the difference, Like what.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Are the key differences?

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Because I'm sure it's a major life change, right, Like
I'm sure it's a massive uh restrictions listed you know
those kinds of things. I want to know.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Give us a call eight to eight thirty one crime.
I want to hear that too.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Actually, so again, yeah, inter judgment free zone. But look,
if you've seen the Markets Stewart documentary, but you know
she was in a low security prison. No walk in
the Park for Martha, by the way, that was a
great documentary too.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
If you haven't watched that, I thought it was so
have you?

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Oh the Martha Stewart documentary I thought was so interesting. Oh,
if you guys haven't listened, it's nothing to do with crime.
It's just the story of I'd be so curious or
what our listeners have to say about it. But anyway,
she was in a low security prison, but again no
walk in the park.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Martha was like, what is happening right now? She was
not a.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Convicted felon of these level of charges, right she was
being convicted of tax evasion or something like that. Geleen
Maxwell is not in the same category, making it is
crazy making.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
There are people that are.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Behind bars for so much longer for you know, selling
petty drugs on the street for ten dollars that may
not see the light of day again. Yet Geelane Maxwell,
who's been brought up on very real charges, is somehow
living our best life having coffee and cappuccino at club
fed crazy.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
I don't know, I just I kind of agree with
you that it's kind of being swept under the rug
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Not well, it's not a finding. It's not a.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Pardon, right, It's not a pardon because like she's not
being forgiven for her crimes. Like when she gets out
about it, if and when she gets out, she's still
going to be a felon and have like these crimes
on her record. But I wouldn't be surprised if a
pardon isn't coming.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
At this point.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Oh my goodness. And by the way, I think it's
odd that it's so quiet.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
It's so quiet.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
About it, so I'm glad we're talking about it. But
again I'm looking over my shoulders, as I know.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
And by the way, Martha Stewart was in prison for
insider trading, the same thing, same thing. It's not come
ext trafficking, it's not it's not well coming up, it's
talkback Tuesday. We don't know what's coming up?

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Stick around? Is your talk back going to make the
ne segment?

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Keep it right here? True Crime tonight, and.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Look at is talkback Tuesday our favorite night of the week.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
So we're sort of just hearing from you.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
You're kind of rapid firing us talkbacks, and frankly, I
have no idea where this is going, Buddy, you seem
to know a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
I don't, actually, Okay, good, okay, no ideaof I know
that TA has organized them by category, so.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
I think we're dipping now.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Into Idaho territory and just as a quick heads up,
Idaho Massacred. The podcast Season three drops tomorrow on iHeart
and we all.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Hope you check it out and please have a listen.
So go ahead, buddy, call it. Let's okay, let's let's
hear it. Sam Adam, Hi, ladies, this is.

Speaker 8 (25:55):
Liz from Washington. I'm just wondering about Coburger. If any
of you have any thoughts on the reason Coberg waited
so long to admit guilt, thinking because he had a
female lawyer, if maybe he didn't want to give her
that satisfaction or have to admit anything to a woman
who was pretty much in charge of his life at
that point, or if there was anything like you guys
might think might have gone differently if he had a

(26:15):
male attorney instead. And then on the backside of that,
I am originally from Michigan, body completely unrelated to Crue crime.
I just wanted to know if you noticed that they
announced the Red Wings that are going to retire Federof's
Jersey go hockey, my favorite sport. I play it but
love you guys. Just wanted to call in and ask
about Coburger's attorney.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Let's go red Wings.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Let's go Red Wings'.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Detroit. They are my first love, the red Wings. And yes,
Federov's jersey is going to be retired at Little Caesars Arena.
It's going to be amazing going now, I can't.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
How am I going to do the show? Oh my goodness,
we're holding you hostage. No, you cannot go. But you
are giving us all a new insight into hockey.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
I love hockey. Well, so listen, this question is loaded.
All right, I can't wait. I have great question, though
I haven't asked an amazing question. And I have often
said that the prosecutor should have been a woman, not
necessarily Brian Coberger's attorney, you know. But you're but to

(27:22):
speak to your question specifically, and I can troal on
to what I was talking about in a minute. But
why did he wait so long? Because I think he
really thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. I
think he really thought he wasn't or he would be
able to convince a jury of his peers that there
was reasonable doubt about his guilt. And I think he

(27:44):
thought that some of the motions that Anne Taylor had
been submitting were going to be at least, you know,
reasonably heard by the judge. You know, the third party
culpability which which denied the alibi defense was just kind
of a joke. The disputing of the DNA no, not
going to happen, just rapid succession of denial, denial, denial, denial,

(28:07):
And I think, you know, the writing was on the wall,
and I'm not sure what convinced him to, you know,
maybe start talking about a plea.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
I kind of think maybe his mom might have had
something to do with it. I did too. I think
his mom did as well. I think she waited.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
This is based on nothing, by the way, nothing evidence
of this, but I mean, we do know that they
were so communicative and that he was speaking to his
mom so regularly even right after the murders. And listen,
there was also just a formal drop dead date that
he had to make a decision, right, so he was

(28:48):
looking at a death sentence trial in August, and the
stage was set. You know, all of the family members
had bought their tickets, had reserved rooms, they were intending
to be there, taking time off of work, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
So yeah, he really waited to the eleventh hour.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
And maybe because it just felt like there was a
pylon and a pilon of new information coming out that
he knew he wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna win. I
do I secretly, this is a secretly in my head
think that mom or dad. But maybe Mom basically said

(29:25):
please don't put us through this because make keep Let's
be real, his sisters would have had to testify against him.
His own mother would have had to testify against him,
as would his dad. And and I don't think he
played into I don't think that. I don't think that
would have done anything to him. I don't think I do.
I really do think he's like just a hollow shell.

(29:47):
I think more along the lines of son, if you
just plead guilty, maybe we can fight this, you know
what I mean, like it buys us time. I think
I think it was more along those lines, like going
to get you out, but we have to figure out
if you if you get the death penalty, they're going
to kill you and then it's over forever. Like you know,
if you plead, maybe we can appeal, maybe we can

(30:09):
do it, you know, whatever, that kind of situation. But
I just I just don't think that mom or Dad
or even sister. Let me rephrase, I don't think mother
or father or sister would have been able to play
to his emotions because I just don't think he had
I think he does have them, I just don't think
they rise to the surface very often. And I know

(30:31):
this so many times too. I feel for them, I
genuine do. What a bummer to have your youngest child,
your son.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Be such a mess.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
After reading some of those reports from the Idaho State
Police dump that we got about his behavior at WSU,
you know, I I really genuinely did feel bad about
his parents and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
But at this point I don't know that I do.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
And why is that?

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Because you feel like they too saw signs and just
chose to.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Do you were that? Did you?

Speaker 9 (31:00):
Guys?

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Ever read his reddit his mother's reddit posts?

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Of course?

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Hello friends today my twenty t me okay on June
let me see, let me pull it up. On June
twenty fifth, twenty twenty two, Hello friends, Today, my twenty
six year old son left for Washington State to begin
his doctorate in criminology. We live in Pennsylvania. I probably
won't be submitting many designs in the next few days.
Because I will be too busy crying. I will see

(31:27):
you all soon.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
But what's the downside? This is a mom who loves
her son. Listen, so many people are like taking their
kids to college right now. I'm seeing that all over
social media, there doing their dorms and getting them wrote.
But there was COVID and he was a bit of
a drug addict at one point, and he was living
in the basement, and there was this gap of time.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I'm not justifying Brian, I know.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I'm just saying from a mother wishing that her son
still lived close and she's having that extra experience of
you know, sending him out into the world and likely
not thinking she's sending a maniac into the world to
kill four people, and just frankly minutes.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Compared to that.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
I mean, this was not a long time after Right
the minute he got there, he was already up to
no good that you know. And maybe I'm giving benefit
of the doubt here, but maybe you know, you're so
close to somebody that you don't see the signs. And
I'm just so curious if that's a different Reddit post today,
Like I'm just so curious now in retrospect, what does

(32:36):
his mom or his family say based on what they
know about him and his behaviors, and you know, maybe
he was super needy and maybe she kind of secretly
loved that, and he was living in the basement and
that was their dynamic. So needy versus being a psychopath
are two very different things, right. And we also know

(32:56):
that dad went with Brian Coberger to kind of get
moved into school, and he was literally knocking on neighbors
doors saying to them, hey, my son.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Just moved in.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
He's a little shy, but he could really use some friends,
and you'd really like him. He's very friendly. Can you
imagine your father. You're an adult, you know, to your point,
you're not eighteen, you know, you're in your mid twenties,
and you're moving into an apartment.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
He's twenty six years old, twenty eight and now you're
twenty eight years old.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I don't know however, I think he was twenty six,
But like, either way, Dad is saying, oh, yeah, he's
trying to make friends for you because you're a weirdo.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
So somewhere they knew.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
It, and they knew that they were dealing with somebody
with real social issues.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
Right yeah, and they had to know he had social issues.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
What do you think do you think that they knew
he had social issues?

Speaker 4 (33:46):
I think they did. Listen, I don't have kids, so
I might be totally off the market. Give us a
call eighty eight thirty one Crime or give us a talkback,
you'll make the show. So I wanted to say one
other thing too. I mentioned I think the prosecutor should
have been a female, and I think she's had been
a beautiful, intelligent, classy prosecutor, right. Can you imagine he

(34:09):
had He had such a visceral reaction to Olivia, who
was also intelligent and beautiful and well spoken, and she
was classy you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Olivia is uh.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Sister Olivia Gonsalvez, and she infamously spoke at his sentencing. Man,
was that a masterclass delivery of like how to treat
a narcissist?

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Right? And we had Susan constantin on on the show.
She's the body language expert, and she explained that, Yeah,
he had a visceral reaction to her, you know her
her words, and I think it cut deeper because she's.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
A beautiful woman.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
So I kind of wonder if the prosecutor was you
know this this great woman. Would Brian Coberger would he
have rolled his eyes at evidence? Would he have like
clenched his jaw at certain point you know what I mean? Like,
would we have gotten the urge to correct her? Because
that's what I see, the urge to correct, right, because

(35:11):
he has to be the smartest guy in the room.
And if the prosecutor is up there saying this happened,
then this happened, Then this happened. Would Brian Koberger have
to somehow get it out of his system that Nope,
that's not what happened.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
This is what happened, right, Like he might have had
an over reaction or like had a he couldn't.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Just take it, Okay.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
No, I think that's really interesting, by the way. Yeah,
and the body expert really does kind of sum it
up frankly that he was uncomfortable at certain points.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
And Olivia Gonzalvez.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
We have Stephen Gonzalvez is on the podcast, and you know, listen,
those guys have been through it. All of the family
members have just been to hell dealing with this, and
it's interesting to see how all of them deal with
it so differently. Oh yeah, and Olivia Gonzalvez, I mean
talk about dealing with a psycho. She was not having it.

(36:03):
And you know, that's a question I have for everyone listening.
What are you supposed to Do you get a weird
feeling by the guy standing behind you online at the
pharmacy and he's like, you know, asking you a question
or being kind of friendly, do you just shut it
down and just become really cold and just.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Be like knock it off? Or are you polite? Like
what is the language?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I know we had Jessica Kaplan on the therapist to
kind of talk about some of that, and I want
to continue that conversation and if anyone has suggestions, because
he's the quintessential problem. He's the guy that you know,
you don't want to be super mean to because he's,
you know, frankly kind of a nerd.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
And feels like he probably is like awkward and weird,
so you want to be kind. But then you're a
little kind and this guy takes it as a green
light to follow you home and that's a little bit weird.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Or if you shut it down and you're tough, suddenly
he's like, all show her, and now he's following you
home for another reason, it's just so nuanced.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
The intended not to speak English. I mean, I'm an
avoidant I have. I'm not even that's not a bad
tip I have. I'm fresh up blah, I don't know,
you know what I mean, like I am so bad.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Oh my goodness. That's actually a really great tip because it's.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Just interesting if what if the guy speaks Spanish though,
and then I'm like.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Oh crap, you know, oh yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
But like in the military, they would say to throw
up or do something that's just like disgusting because go up. Well,
I'm not at the pharmacy online. There's more that's a
deeper unpacked. Well, we're going to unpack that in a minute. Well,
keep and ray here. We have more of your talkbacks coming.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Listen. That whole segment was that one talkback when I
tell you we can talk about this week for weekn
talk about it.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
If we're doing talkback tuesdays, we're hearing from you. We
want to get all of your calls, keep them coming.
Any case or is something that you want us to cover,
We want to hear your opinion. So this is a
free for all kind of a night. In fact, we
have a caller right now.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Hi Glenn, Glenn, Hi Glenn, welcome to the show. What's
your question?

Speaker 12 (38:03):
Yes, this show is dealing with this. Diane was a Montana, Idaho.
I I'm sorry, no problem, and they killed the four
people and he had admitted to doing it, and now
on he's in prison. And why are you questioning?

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Why are we.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Still talking about it or why are we questioning I'm
not so many questions. By the way, we're The reason
why we're still talking about it is because we have
to unpack it in hindsight, just as a way of
unpacking these red flags.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Well, again, this is like a really big case. How
do we know how to put a.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
True crime show? And this is a true crime show.
This guy is a unicorn in true crime. Okay, this
is so rare, unbelievably rare, and thank god for that. Okay,
but there are still so many unanswered questions about him.
People are going to be talking about this and this
case for decades to come and oh, generations happened. And

(39:07):
because we're a true crime show, we are also going
to be talking about it.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
But it's why question.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
For Glenn, It's sort of like, look, this has been
no right and we're like, look, we know what the
deal is. He's confessed. You know, why are we still
talking about it? And it's two part also because there
was no death sentenced trial. Now we are seeing all
of these unsealed documents for the very first time. They're

(39:36):
all falling in our lapse for real time. So we
would be remiss not to really go through them with
a fine two cone, because how do we glean from
this mess and in honor of Kaylee and Xana and
Ethan and Maddie, to make sure this kind of thing
doesn't continue to happen again. So so it's a fair question, Glenn.

(39:58):
But that's why we're we're kind of carrying on about
it because the info is still coming in.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Like it we just got six hundred pages of documents
over the weekend and it had all this new information
about Brian Coberger's behavior leading up to and after the murders,
and these are really important things that society needs to
talk about in address exact because he was harassing women
and students at his school and nothing was done.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Can I give you a little teasing, Glenn, don't forget
to download the podcast The Ideral Massacre Season three tomorrow
your the target audience, just fyi. But also there is
some interesting like we do well, there's an interesting piece
done by the university chief of police and he was

(40:49):
actually brought into this particular job just two months before
your murders.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
And get this this part.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Six months prior to the murders, he interviewed with Brian Coburger,
the killer. Brian Coburger wanted to do this like Master program,
Pullman Police like internship type of.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
He wanted to do like a study on safety or
some public safety.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah, and you got rejected. This guy rejected him. He
rejected it on the podcast. Did you just give him
a way?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Oh yes, listen, it's a tease, baby, that's a tease.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Well, stay tuned. You're gonna get some more teases throughout
this show. Hopefully we'll get to some more talkbacks, more
than one segment. Hopefully.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Keep it right here. A true crime tonight. Listen, a
bunch of talk talk too much.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Keep it right here, A true crime tonight.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Let's us go right to our next talk back. Let's
do it all right.

Speaker 13 (41:49):
We have a little more Coburger here, and this is
kind of We have two relevant talkbacks here on the
same topic. So I'm going to play them in quick
succession here.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
All right, so wait, wait, wait ahead, are you going
to play them back to back? Or am I gonna
are we going to answer in between if you want
to say, like, oh you know, i'se okay, oh all right, okay,
we got it. That was a good direction than you.

Speaker 11 (42:13):
Hi ladies.

Speaker 14 (42:14):
Ali here from Orlando, Florida. Hi, Alan, if you could
recap something for me please, regarding the Brian Colberger case
and the reference of him writing a review on Reddit
or a survey on Reddit or something like that, If
you could just run through that briefly for me please,

(42:36):
I would appreciate it. Love the show, have a good night.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Thank you for listening. Ally, Yeah, no problem, we can
do that.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
My favorite topic also, So go ahead body take it.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Well, I'm going to wait for the next one.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
I think.

Speaker 6 (42:49):
Hi Family from Australia calling just on the Cobo good
documents and the surveys that he put out on Reddit.

Speaker 14 (42:56):
Does anyone have the feeling that.

Speaker 10 (42:58):
He was kind of using those surveys to confirm I
suppose thoughts and feelings he was having about committing crimes
and sort of I guess.

Speaker 14 (43:06):
This preempted or pushed him to actually commit those crimes.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Thank you the truth boy, one talkback to another, they're
like in sync, one hundred percent in sync.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yeah, so that was.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Those are really really good, really good. So Brian Coberger
was a criminology student at the Sales University when he
did the survey. Okay, and basically the survey. I'm gonna
this is a two part answer because there's two talkbacks, right,
so I'm gonna go over with the survey really quick.
The survey was you know, I have it actually right here,
let me grab it.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
It should read some of those questions because there Harold,
he wrote.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
He writes this. The study should take you about fifteen
to twenty minutes. Your petition, your participation in this research
is voluntary. You have the right to withdraw at any point.
Yahd YadA, YadA, yad YadA. If you have any questions
about this research, you may contact the research team via
email Brian Coberger to investigator at BK blah blah blah
blah at the Sales dot Edu. The other and then

(44:05):
the other two people's names. I don't want to read
those people's names because they're innocent and.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
They don't need anything we've reached out to them, right
a bajillion.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
Times, right, and by clicking the button you acknowledge, you know,
and it goes through the general thing. Right. But here's
the interesting interesting thing about this survey. It was posted
in December of twenty twenty, and he would have been
basically done with this kind of research by then. So

(44:35):
that's gonna that's going to go into my next the
next answer. I'm kind of jumping around, but let me
read you some of the questions. For the first talk back.
He asked questions like, how did you feel after committing
this crime? After arriving? What steps did you take prior
to locating the victim or target? Please detail your thoughts

(44:56):
and feelings?

Speaker 3 (44:57):
And okay, that's a huge one.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Remember when I'm saying this, what Olivia Comesolves said to
him during her victim impact statement when she was like,
please detail your thoughts and feelings when you know when this,
please explain what you were thinking and feeling. This is
what she's referencing. She's referencing this survey. Okay, and it's
a list of, you know, a bunch of questions about

(45:20):
criminology stuff, but it's a lot about emotion and decision making.
And we know now from reading these reports that we
just got that Brian was very interested in sexual burglery
and the decision making process that criminals make during you know,
during crimes. And if you read the survey in hindsight
now right, it's like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
This is a roadmap.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
Why did you chose that victim or target over others?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
How did you travel to an enter location where this occurred?

Speaker 5 (45:52):
Like?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
How did you travel there? And how did you break in? Basically,
he wants details over the past two weeks. How often
have you been bothered by the following problems? Nervous, anxious,
are on edge, trouble, relaxing, feeling afraid? Like he's asking,
he and how did you how after committing the crime?

Speaker 4 (46:10):
What were you thinking and feeling sore leaving?

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Is there anything else you did? Question mark? How did
you leave the scene?

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Question mark?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
After committing the crime, what were you thinking and feeling
question mark? These are wild questions in retrospect if you're
a criminology student. Okay, I guess that's like interviewing, you know,
a criminal, I suppose. But he was doing a study
on himself in his own emotional integration and his own emotional.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Ability to pull this off.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
So my opinion, this was.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Posted in June. I don't know, Li said December. I'm
losing my mind. This was posted in June, and he
graduates in August, all right, so that's not a lot
of time to be conducting research for any kind of
paper that you're going to be submitting. And then, by
by the way, he's moving to Pollman. Okay, So it's

(47:09):
very interesting that this was posted at this time because
it feels now like it was more of a personal
like inquiry into why he's feeling the way he's feeling.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Does that make sense? Yeah, no reason.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
I used to always think and this was unsubstantiated and
now we know to be untrue. My gut always was
that he went to Pullman for a reason, maybe even
because at that point he had already been following one
of the girls or had become socially engaged on social
media with one of the victims. Because Polman's are real

(47:45):
far away. He was living in his mama's basement. He
was not living far from home for a really long time.
So suddenly now he's decided to move across the country.
To some degree, he's studying under the great you know,
Catherine Ramslin, who we've heard so much about. But why
that particular school, why that particular program.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
For a hot second, I was wondering.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
If maybe he had targeted one of the girls or
a grouping of them and that's why he went there.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
We know that's not true.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Now it seems like there is actually no real connection
between him and any of the victims, which frankly is
even scarier beyond measure. He just was choosing randomly because
he had been lurking around many other women and many
other people in and around the neighborhood, in and around houses,

(48:40):
in and around a sorority house, taking pictures of girls
in bikinis that we found on his phone.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
So he was that guy.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
He was a lurker, right, Yeah, it's such a good
talk back, Thank you like so much for that. That
was It reminded me of that and reminded me that, yeah,
maybe it was kind of a personal, you know, reflection
on why he's feeling the way he is. And you know,
he posted the he posted the survey, the one that
I know about at least in the ex con subreddit.

(49:09):
So he was specifically targeting people who were caught, you know,
which is interesting. Anyway, thank you so much for the
talk about what do we have next?

Speaker 7 (49:18):
Hey guys, Megan from Kentucky again, Sorry, I'm just episode
as far as so as far as the protections, uh,
you know, as for Brian Coberger in all the security
that has been put in place or that was put
in place, I'm wondering if anybody ever brought up a
Title nine issue, because that protects, you know, victims and

(49:41):
gives them a better voice and you know, something that
the university.

Speaker 11 (49:44):
Is obligated to deal with by law.

Speaker 8 (49:48):
But that's just my.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Extra two cents.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
But thanks, love you guys to show still listening.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
I am so impressed, Megan, such a good listener. I
didn't even think about this.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
So.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Title nine is a US federal rights law that prohibits
sex based discrimination in education programs or activity receiving federal funding.
So any any school that's receiving federal funding in any
way has these Title nine you know issues. Let's say,
I don't know how it's yeah, this is the core state.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
I just googled it right now because frankly I'm kind
aware of this. It says, quote, no person in the
United States shall comma on the basis of sex, be
excluded from participation and be denied the benefits of subjected
to discrimination under the Education Program of activity receiving federal
financial assistance. So that's like the long winded answer, sorry.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
And did so we do know that at least one
of the I don't know. I can't remember if she
was a student or faculty. There's so many reports. I'm
kind of my brain is kind of spaghetti at the moment.
But she said that she filed a complaint with the WSU, SILVIL,
the Civil Rights Office, so it is possible that they

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might have been investigating some kind of Title line violation.
I'm not sure. I didn't see any reference to any
Title nine in the documents, but I could have missed it.
If you've seen it, give us a call. Eighty eight
thirty one crime. We want to know. I didn't see anything,
but I don't know. I just don't know how to
answer it because I just don't know. I don't think

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they did anything. I do know that they ended up
firing him prior to his arrest, and not because he
was arrested, because it was, you know, weeks prior to
his arrest.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
That's why I think the walls were closing in on him.
You know, suddenly he was going to lose that scholarship,
he may have lost that fancy job that he had given,
you know, gone across the country from his parents going
to think of him. You know, who did it to him?
Like he was kicked out of the cop program in
high school. Here it is, it's happening again. This is

(51:56):
the kind of stuff that becomes a boiling over potentially
for somebody who's up for no good.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
And I don't know, I don't know if the school
is you know, at all culpable in anything or you know,
I can't imagine, you know what I mean, Like, there
is not their fault that this guy did this or whatever.
And so when we're talking about these things, we're not
implying that, you know, like that they're responsible for his
behavior in any way.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
But I would be.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Very interested to know what disciplinary action leading up to
his termination they were taking, like specifically, because the allegations
in these reports were really heinous. And if I'm telling
you what, knowing what, I'm not knowing that he's a killer,
but just reading what I read, I would be avoiding

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him in the hallways one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
No, he's that creeper.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
And also to that point, that's why it's also really
important that we're talking about it, because again, how do
we prevent this the next time there's a criminology PhD
student acting the way he's acted. This is not just
a guy that's like socially awkward and a super nerd.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
This is a guy.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Well, this is why we're talking about talking about it,
and exactly so, and again if anybody who's listening has
any advice or any thoughts, because we want to take
away something there's nothing positive to be taken from this,
let's be honest, but we want to take away something
informative so that these types of things don't happen again

(53:32):
to these extraordinary kids. Like we also don't want to
forget them, so you know, we should do a whole
segment on the victims.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
We won't do that tomorrow too, just about.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Their lives because again they become such a footnote. Kaylee
Gonzalveez and Ethan Shapin and Madison Mogan and Xana Kernodle
who fought for their lives against this monster so senselessly,
and their families are struggling.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Deeply as we speak.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
So, yeah, the story goes on and there's all this
new information and it sounds like, you know, it's interesting,
but at its core, it's terrible and it is menacing,
and it's sad and it's unimaginable. So if we could
all collectively just like have a quick second and send
the victims' families are our love and support, and.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Let this never happen again.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Right, all right, the studio's gone wild anyway, so we're
gonna we're just gonna cut straight to the next talk
back because we want to keep hearing from you.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
Let's go oh wait, wait, wait, wait wait, oh there's
a wait.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
I have to let the audience know this is bagroulette, right, yes,
So at this point in the show, Sam and Adam
are running the asylum and we don't know what's coming,
we don't know the subject, we don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
So if only anyone knew how funny that was, let's go,
come on, This asylum is real, so let's go. I
have great faith in you, Sam and Adam.

Speaker 15 (54:57):
Hyattsnthip from Canada calling in regards in regards to the
Adaho Masacre conviction and Brian Colberg. He was just convicted.
But we talked about Manson until the day died. So
it's not unusual for our culture to talk about murders
and crimes until the individuals pass away and that sort
of thing.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Have a good Nightynthia.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Couldn't have said it better ourselves, Cynthia, tip of our tongues.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
But I couldn't articulate it how well even.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
I mean, we still talk about like Bundy and he's
been gone forever. Hmmm, you know what I mean, like, oh, yeah, listen,
it's a.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Great white shark.

Speaker 9 (55:32):
Right.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
This is why we talk about some of these big
ticket items because yes they're rare, but they're also fascinating
as they are.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yeah, I mean takes a lot of boxes.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
I mean, the goal is to talk about these things
so that people are aware and society is you know,
learned about things and you know, understands how these things
work or whatever.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
But does it is it?

Speaker 4 (55:58):
There was a talk back yesterday and it is sad
in my stomach ever since I heard it.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
And she was so articulate.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
She said, you know, we either learn from these things
or it's just gossip something like that. I'm parafuct Yeah,
so it was so no, it was just so well stated,
like it has just sat in my craw and I'm like,
what's the point?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, Like we not just want to repeat hashing out
terrible things like right, the takeaway?

Speaker 3 (56:24):
What's the takeaway?

Speaker 6 (56:25):
Right?

Speaker 4 (56:25):
And and I really want to be kind of like
takeaway focused. I guess you know what I mean otherwise
because yeah, otherwise it's just we're just talking crap.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
We're just talking.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
Well, thank you, Cynthia, Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
And by the way, Cynthia, we want to know without
like doxing yourself, like whereabouts in what province are you in?
Is what we're wondering. We love that you call. We
just want to know where the heck you.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Are, Cynthia, Cynthia.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Tonight.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
By the way, guys, we're getting True Crime Tonight's wag.
So listen, this is a small team operation, so there's
not get crazy with a swag.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
But we're going to like figure out a way.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
I don't know what the thing is that we're celebrating,
but you know, when we do, we're going to send
you a sweatshirt or a mug. You know that we're
starting that jam. So we're open to suggestions too, So
if you have any, let us know.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
So is that whole? Are we naming the club?

Speaker 5 (57:25):
Yes, happening, that's going to happen, as a matter of fact,
that's going to happen tomorrow to be here, and we
actually we know the winner because the whole wait ta.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
You already know, don't tell you.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
But I'm not going to say a word. My lips
are sealed.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
So is a Red String Society?

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Didn't make it in?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
It is definitely not. I I'm going to go on
record as saying that's impossible that it's Red String Society.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
It wasn't even an option, but I was hoping there
we go, because like, how cool would that swag be?
A little red string bracelet or something? How cute would that?

Speaker 3 (58:00):
See? I'm you guys need to like I just like.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
A hoodie or a mug or something a little like
a coffee mug.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
So we stay up late together.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Drinking coffee and talking with the times like a tumbler.
I'm into it. I'm into all of the above. A
little T shirt, a little yes, I mean it's endless.
That'll be our next.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Little vote in for But in the immediate tie, is
that the case? Tomorrow is the big night.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
Tomorrow's big night, guys. We're going to have to decide
which doc we're going to be watching.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
But oh, I haven't that okay place, send me a
text and emails and we can add those to the list.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
But I would love to hear another good talk back
from Sam and Adam.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Let's do it.

Speaker 6 (58:50):
Hi, ladies, this is Tara from Alberta, Canada. I just
wanted to send you guys a question about the ice
cream trucks.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Being out late at night in Virginia and what you
guys think about it. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (59:03):
I've seen it all over my TikTok. I think it's
super weird, but please let me know if you guys
have seen it or heard anything about it and the
missing children there.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Love you guys, I listened.

Speaker 7 (59:13):
To every day every morning through my routine.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Thank you, Thank you so much for that talk back.
Alberta literally the best.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Do you know what?

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Alberta is so beautiful? That's where that ban Off Park is.
Have you ever been there?

Speaker 6 (59:26):
No?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
But my one of my best friends lives in Vancouver.
That count Christy.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Well, now it's first Columbia, but that that whole western
part of Canada literally God's country.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
It is so incredibly beautiful up there. Why are all
Canadians so lovely?

Speaker 4 (59:42):
I know they are there. It makes us look bad,
it makes Americans look bad. I don't like it. They're wonderful,
genuine and thank you for that.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
Yeah, So we were talking about that.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
We were talking about it, we were talking about it
a little bit. So I actually did some recent on
this because I saw it too, and I saw that
it had a lot the one the video that I
saw had a lot of engagement. There were a lot
of likes, there were a lot of reposts, there were
a lot of comments. And that's what the goal is,
you guys. Like, every comment is engagement. Every like is

(01:00:19):
another penny, you know, especially on TikTok when you're in
their creator fund. Every you know, every engagement is another
point into the creator fund for these people. And so
I always am suspicious about videos like that. So I
went and looked and it's not true. So it's just

(01:00:40):
not true. The Virginia, I think the Virginia State Police
actually came out and had to make a comment about
it because they were getting so many calls. There was
there was like a big news article about it. They
don't have a handy, but there was, Yeah, there was
a big article about it. But it's it's just not true.
If somebody is running with that story for engagement. Hate,

(01:01:01):
I mean, listen, I hate. I'm not trying to. Okay said,
how scary is the idea of the idea?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
And I said, ice cream truck rolling around? By the way.
Ice cream trucks, it's kind.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Of in that context are so scary. It's like the
start of a really scary creepy movie.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Like I expect the clown on the wheel right exactly,
And who didn't like all of us ran to that
darn truck.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
You just hear that. Oh my god, I'm a New Yorker.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
So the mister Smoothie truck. Do you remember? Even as adults,
we would love that mister Smoothie truck. But just like
the regular old school kind of ice cream truck.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
That rolls through America.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Is nothing against ice cream truckers, by the way, so
we're not putting a bad stain on ice cream.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
He doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
But just like the sound and it's evening time and
kids are running.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
To and that's the video.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
It's like one or two in the morning. It's like
slowly going down the street and it's playing like like
a song, and the speeders kind of like you know,
out of It's scary. Yeah, and that's by design. That
is a hundred percent by designs.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
This was this was making its round because there's a
movie Weapons that do with children that have been disappearing.
So there's this whole correlation as to why that TikTok
is becoming popular. But either way, I agree with your
stepf creepy ice cream trucks, uh SOMETHINGI.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Although I want ice cream so weirdly right now, the
kind of has like the little chocolate bar in the middle.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
What was that one called?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
It's like surrounded by crumbs, you like it's a strawberry shortcake,
but like the chocolate kind.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
I like the strawberry or cake. Oh it's so good.
What is that called? Oh? My goodness? And just like
the what's the one with the red white? If you
know the answer, give us a call. Eight.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
This is true Crime Tonight. I'm body moved and I
live in this hellucker. Stephanie's just still she's still going.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
She's still going.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Keith A ray Hare a True Crime Tonight. We're going
to be getting into talkbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
What do we have next, any ladies?

Speaker 14 (01:03:04):
I have a question about Marilyn Monroe.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
Oh is it true that her body was moved a
few hours after she was discovered?

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Allegedly?

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yes, really, yes, I've heard, yeah, allegedly allegedly allegedly. But listen,
this is a story that has had rumors upon rumors
circling it, so it's hard to tell what is like
completely factual versus what is not. But yes, that has
been speculated so many times. It also has been speculated that, you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Know, the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
There's just been a lot about was there a cover up?
So whenever there's a cover up, you know, being discussed,
it's hard to know what's right or wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
A little bit like Elaine Maxwell right now.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Yeah, oh that's yeah, that's kind of creepy and scary
as well. But yeah, I have not heard that rumor.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
I hadn't heard that either. I really don't know a
lot about the Marrily Mineral thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Though, I don't know, do you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I just love America's sweetheart and your untimely death that
was under suspicious circumstances. I'm curious, I mean, I do,
what is it about marily Monroe that you didn't want
to follow.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
It's not that I didn't want to follow it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
I just had a million other things I was following
them in My plate is only so full, you know
what I mean? And then I have seven thousand emails
of people asking me for help on stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
What do you have against Marilyn I trauma? She was
just you know, entertaining all of America at her whim
while being drug frankly potentially killed, I don't know, tragic,
allegedly allegedly allegedly.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Wait, so where was her body moved to?

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
What it was like all on the bed, but you know,
the circumstance of how she died, it all looked a
little I'm going to sound crazy right now, but if
you look at even like Whitney Houston's death scene, dare
I say, it looks like it's just ma'am, I'm like,
who has a hotel room like that? What even a
drug addict, dare I say? Lived in that manner? It's

(01:05:08):
like almost as though if you wanted to take a
photo of like that were up to no good drugs
were involved. It almost looks staged.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Right. So it has been alleged that Marilymn Rose death
scene almost looked.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Staged, like there's pills next to you know, like, okay,
is that really what would it look like if you
were going to take your own life at that time? Again,
we don't really know the answer to this. It's the
the question of the time. But you know, suspicious things.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
How would you know the body was moved? Like why
would that even come into question if the police come in.
I just know the body had been moved.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
I just googled it because I'm like what and it
there is a legitimate question and it says did Marilyn
Monroe's body really go missing for six hours after her death?

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Because there was a timeline gap.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Again, these were different times as we got to have
social media, nobody had a cell phone, so you are
relying to official reports, and there were a lot of
high profile people involved in this case. So you know,
it's kind of like, you know, why am I spacing
on her name overboard? The most beautiful actress of all time?
West Side Story? Who was the actress that was like

(01:06:22):
Natalie Wood? It's like there's so much speculation because we
just don't know. Honestly, don't get me started on Natalie Wood.
Listen without further ado, let's jump right in. What's our

(01:06:43):
next talk?

Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
Bout Hey, guys love the show. Have you ever heard
about this new case coming out of New Mexico. It
was an eighteen year old boy and he shot his
Uber driver and killed him, and he said he did
it just to let off some steam. Don't understand this
juvenile violence that we're staying increased in the country.

Speaker 14 (01:07:05):
It's really troubling and I think it speaks to the
psychopathy of our young people.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Mm hmm. Yeah, So I do know about this. Actually
I didn't know about this. So this guy, all I
really remember about him is that he has a weird
first name and his last name is like Sanchez, and
he's and he's eighteen years old out of Albuquerque, I believe.
And he was going to his girlfriend's house and she

(01:07:31):
called him an Uber and he apparently went through a
bunch of drivers and chose one that he wanted to kill.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Yeah, and he said he's seen those he targeted Uber.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Well, he didn't know him. He just looked at the picture,
you know, Yeah, And he said he just was what
he was letting off his team because he was stressed.
But shut the front door I swear to God. But
he also during the interview, if I'm trying to remember,
during the interviews, he said that he's killed before too,

(01:08:09):
when he was little, like when he was younger, when
he was little.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
He was eighteen years old at this time.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
Why little?

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
I mean fifteen?

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
I oh, my goodness of two year old Atolice are
investigating those other people that he said he he killed. Yeah,
I'd imagine. I thought I emailed this to you guys
to talk about. This is the first I'm hearing about it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
No one, but I definitely we should definitely cover it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
It's eighteen years old out of Albuquerque shot it. He
shot the uber driver, and he's confessed to other crimes.
And his mudshot is really creepy. It's like, oh, you
can't see me. That's a really dumb thing to do
on the radio. I'm making a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Face that's a very good face, Like why why that do?
What is that face that you're trying to make. It's
like you look a little you look a little like
you look stressed. I'm a stressful stress. Okay, so it's
a stressful face. But again, that is a very unfortunate
fan for all drivers were out there driving everybody around.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
Do you see there was recently on the daily I
don't know if you listened to that. They had a
whole investigative report on how there was an increase in
the number of like uber crimes or with the drivers,
and they knew a lot of them were going on,
but they kept it all under wraps, like it's just
the person was able to get some of their inside
documents to see how many crimes were happening with uber drivers,

(01:09:31):
and its kind of disturbing. Yeah, that's another one. I
wanted to maybe have us do in the scary.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
What you can do if they are young adults and
their kids are teenager.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
I think it was like lockdown, like COVID. Did you
guys seem like anything like that has anything to do
with it? Or is it just the twenty four hour
news cycle and our unsatiable thirst for true crime?

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
I think it's what were you I was going to say,
I think it's a combo of both. But I think
I definitely see a lot more of social media like
things that I had never heard about. All these we
would have never talked about this uber driver. I think
there's now a bigger world of news that we're getting
so much easier.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
So it just feels like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Right, it feels like it's constant. But at the same time,
thank goodness we're hearing about it, because now I'll think
twice about making sure that I'm choosing the correct Uber
and checking the stars, and I'm sure I actually look
at the license like you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Know me, I'm the dummy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
I'm like, oh yeah, like Uber closely, Yeah it's me,
Like I don't they don't check my name. I'm out
looking at the license plate like I'm in the backseat,
just driving in nowhere first to be killed in the movie.
So yeah, it makes you think you have to check
the license plate, make sure that you do.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
It's not and they ask you for your pen now too,
because it gives you like a random ten number to
give the driver to passenger. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
Yeah, it's an option on Uber app. So I would
definitely recommend it. I started setting that up because I
kept getting in the wrong Uber when I's why go
to Proton.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Because you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Were we at the same time jumping into the rover
with checking her license p.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
I've literally gotten into a person's car that wasn't an
Uber driver.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
It was just a regular person.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
But That's how I think anyway, But I feel like
it's tough for another talkback.

Speaker 9 (01:11:25):
Hi does this Jackie from North Carolina and I just
wanted to talk a little bit about Delaine Maxwell. I
am actually very worried for Glane that they've moved her
to a lower security prison that perhaps that means that
somebody can get to her kne near. Granted, she is

(01:11:49):
a criminal and deserves to be where she's at, but
that is something that kind of expecting at this point.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
That's a really interesting conspiracy theory, by the way, as
you say that, there's some truth here, because listen, if
she's not getting a pardon, so they're like, hey, look,
let's just send her to a minimum security prison, and
then they send her there, and then there's really it's
publicly known that there's not a lot of surveillance. There's

(01:12:19):
not a lot of people checking in on her. There's
not twenty four hour cameras everywhere. So God forbids something
were to happen to her. Not that we are suggesting
it should, because that is not the crime she's committed of.
I'm just saying she should do the time in the
place for the crime she's been convicted of no harm

(01:12:39):
should come to her. But if it did, is that
another way of the government maybe throwing her.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
To the wolves?

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
And then after the fact, they're like, there were no cameras.
I don't know, she was very likable.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Isn't this a prison that she went to like minimum security,
like blue collar.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Like yeah, I wanted to do bad things to her.
There would be very little coverage of that event, which
is a reminiscent a bit of Epstein.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
So that's perspective.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
So we're thinking, let me just supplay this out, all right,
because I got to play it out.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
We're not thinking a prisoner is going to do something.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
We're thinking somebody's going to be hired to go to
prison hit man, to go to the prison like yes,
to be a prisoner, like a pet prisoner.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
She's the one with all the info print to her
own admission, she's talking to everybody. She has talked to
a lot of people, by the way, she stuck to
a lot of people. And there's been like mum's the
word about any of it. All anybody has said is nope,
nothing to see here. Actually, come to think of it,
based on all of our interviews, there's really no new

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information outside of what was already you know, handed over
in the courtroom.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Okay. So and we're all kind of like, okay, because that's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
What we we should do, right, Like we have to
believe like at some point to what end. But yeah,
now they're like, hey, we're going to just toss you
in this lower security prison where there's very little oversight,
if you will, What if something the farious happens God
forbid to Gilayne Maxwell, you know, some saying that's what

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happened to you know, Epstein. So I just don't know
who would be in charge of what and where and why,
and like it just feels like there's a lot of
bigger players and it's hard to track.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
So that's a very interesting perspective.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
That is a good perspective. But I do think if
anything happens on her now, it would be super suspiciously,
Like she's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
In the news all the time. What pitchforks? Who would
be having the pitchforks think about it? She's been raked
through the coles. Many people are angry, myself included, that
this has gone to the level that it has. The
victims of Jeffrey Epstein and Gilayne Maxwell. We have put
themselves out there and they're mad.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
So here she is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
She's in a lower security prison. You know, they're not
pardoning her, nor are they changing her conviction per se.
Her like actual crimes have not been lessened or wiped away.
They just tossed her in this like den where there's
very little security. If something were to happen to her,
it's like, I don't know. Again, this is a theory.

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I'm just like jumping in here. Or she gets to
live the next epteenth years, you know, very comfortably, or
she gets a pardon.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Those are the three choices.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Good talkback, you got stuff to be fired up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
I got to deal with it. Yeah, all night, all night.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
Fire I think we do. If you want to give
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Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
So let's let's get another.

Speaker 8 (01:16:02):
One, hey, ladies.

Speaker 14 (01:16:04):
I just wanted to bring up Andrew Canana discussion.

Speaker 9 (01:16:08):
The history teacher in me had to kind of maybe
bring up something about the idea of going postal.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
In the meeting.

Speaker 14 (01:16:15):
It was back to the nineteen eighties.

Speaker 11 (01:16:17):
Where postal workers were over worked and super stressed.

Speaker 14 (01:16:21):
And they went crazy, if you will, and that led
to act of violence, not people showing up post offices
for fame, Andy think.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Right, Yep, that's correct, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
It was do My ex dad was a postal inspector
in the car job in California, and this I'm not
I'm dating myself a little bit, but this was the
early nineties, okay. And I learned that from him. Yeah,
that it's it was due to the postal workers kind

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of being super stressed.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
And you know, everyone's so rude to the postal they
really are.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
It is so true, that is, And I never, I never,
I don't understand why. Like my mailman is literally the
nicest person on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Mind, yeah mine, like game no, No, I think it's
like in the office the post.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
I never got there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Who dreads It's like DMV right, like we all kind
of dread going.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
On that line.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
And it's a thing I can't imagine going in that
am obviously. But that's a really interesting, you know point.
I hadn't really heard. Of course, I had heard the
term going postal, but I really it never even occurred
to me that it was about a postal office, which
is you know, pathetic. So yeah, thank you for the clarity.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Yes, thank you, Sam.

Speaker 5 (01:17:45):
What were you going to say?

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
I can't be the only one thinking this.

Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
I just think the perfect response is Newman from Seinfeld
where he says, because the male just keeps coming and coming,
and it never stopped.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Never stopped.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
Do you remember over the route when yeah, and he
he was like shoving the mail into the into the slot.
He just keeps coming and then it just how the
mail comes.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Out comes dying through. I used to be I uce
to have a paper out. I had. My first job
was paper out. It was the worst job ive ever had.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
The worst Remember were to do the penny saver where
you have to are we to say prayed in Sunday
different the same all at once, like yeah, the penny saver,
the wrapping it all up and putting it in there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
And then the Sunday gets in and you got to.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
Put the paper or you can say collect.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
You have to go collect and go to people's doors
and not on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
How dangerous was that?

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
Look that that was very streets in the dark.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
You would go at night, what am I doing?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
That's why we're talking about this because those days are
a little bit over.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
At last that was very that was unsafe. It wasn't safe.
Next us just we're nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
This night has gone by like I don't know, it's
gone by way so quick.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Everybody's nodding their head the same way. Right now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
We're all in unison. I hope you guys are too.
Talk back Tuesdays strikes again. Always a pleasure hearing from
you guys. But by the way, it doesn't only have
to be on Tuesday, so you can talk anytime you
on eight A eight to three to one crime any night.
We're here Sunday through Thursday. Obviously, if you've missed any
of the live show, you can catch us right after

(01:19:30):
as a podcast, and if you can, tomorrow, we're premiering
our podcast on iHeart the Idaho Massacre Season three. You'll
recognize many of the player's body of course, Courtney Armstrong
is the voice who narrates it. Joseph Scott Morgan and
Jeannette Levy, you know, Jarrett Farantino, we have you know,

(01:19:53):
so many of our regulars are also weighing in on
the podcast, and I have to tell you there are
some real shocking developments in there.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
So we hope you'll tune in.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
And I'm outage.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
What do you want to do? One more talk back?
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
Do we have time? Can we? I think what you decide?
You're in charge, I'm in charge, You're the boss baby.
I want to raise mmm? Okay you made both? Like, okay,
we would like some raises.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Tasa.

Speaker 16 (01:20:19):
Hey, ladies, this is Sylvia again from Florida. I was
on vacation all last week, so I missed you guys.
I had a binge everything on the weekend. But I
am at another talkback.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
I love them.

Speaker 16 (01:20:29):
Body is just in it with the documents, like she
is just in her helmet.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
We love that.

Speaker 16 (01:20:33):
I hate that my Red String Society got crushed by Dawn,
but I totally get it. And it's sad because I
don't have Instagram anymore and I can't vote. Is there
any other way that I can vote? Because I'm so
in this club. Thank you, ladies for all you do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
I wanted Red String Society. I love her.

Speaker 5 (01:20:51):
I know you did.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
You can't do it. No, no, no, no, just like Conjo
is weird things. No No, it's all got beat out.
But what is the other way?

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Well, I think right, now she should have just maybe
you call us with your vote and we'll give a
handwritten ballot.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
It's it's too late, he said.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
We are to win it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
Sadly, we already picked it. They're closed. It was only
a twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
This place tight leash. We're on a tight leash here.

Speaker 5 (01:21:17):
But this might make her feel better. I think the
choice that they have, we've gone with is the best one.
So she's going to be happy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
You're bias. Okay, you are biased.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Everybody's nodding with excitement though, So that's going to happen tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
The big reveal is tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Right Wednesday reveal with Toronto Fear, our favorite pop culture
true crime expert, always the best of Is he going
to be the big reveal?

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Is he going to say it like?

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Is there a drum roll salmon at and we have
like a smoke machine or is there like a stroke.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
Blood say, like a drum band?

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Like we wear.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Matching outfits, Oh my god, the hoodie sweatshirts and with
little cups in the Chaka Is.

Speaker 13 (01:22:01):
Visual radio show. You know that we can come up
with something auditory.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Okay, great, I like the idea exactly. I maybe like
a dance theme song for.

Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
Sometimes a big number. Now you forgot it?

Speaker 12 (01:22:16):
Okay, for just that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
I was just going to add I going to talk
a lot about the so called ketamine queen. Oh yes,
so we're going to dig into that one, because that
is that's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
A really interesting case, because any sort of it is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
When I tell you I don't know anything about Hollywood,
I am not lying, like if it's a star, if
it's a star, or like I'm just like, ignore, why
do you hate Maril Monroe? I just don't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
It's okay, it's okay, just enough attention, they get enough attention.
I want to like pay attention to people who don't
get enough attention. Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
You just don't like dead celebrities. I see. Okay, a
fair fair, we are equal, evertunists. That's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
But yes, listen tomorrow, the ketymine Queen is a big one.
That's the person who gave the lethal dose of ketamine,
by her own admission, now pleading guilty in Matthew Perry's
death from Friends. We'll be following that and much more.
Listen true crime tonight. We're talking true crime all the time.
Thank you for listening.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Please stay safe. We'll be back tomorrow mac