Turning Tragedy Into Advocacy: On 9/11, First Responders, Missing Persons, and More

High-powered changes due to the Epstein birthday book; the New Zealand dad who lived in a secret wilderness camp with his three daughters; and Lori Vallow Daybell’s message to her surviving son. Plus, two “helpers”: John Feal, a 9/11 responder who tirelessly advocates for other responders suffering long-term impacts of the attack, and Sheena Scarbrough, who is raising awareness about cases involving missing and murdered women of color after the tragic loss of her own daughter. Tune in for all the details. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This program features the individual opinions of the hosts, guests,
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it's affiliates, or sponsors. This is True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker and then I
head up KAT Studios, where we make true crime podcasts
and documentaries, and I get to be here every night
with Courtney Armstrong. We've made many podcasts together, including The
Idaho Massacre Season three, which is out now on iHeart,

(00:40):
and documentaries together. We have worked together for I want
to say twelve years.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Ten years.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's more than a decade. Wow, more than
a decade. So Body Movement is out for the evening,
but of course Taha Howes and Sam and Adam in
the control room. We'll be keeping us in check because
it's a big night. We've had a stacked night of headlines.
It is Thursday, September eleventh. We can all probably imagine

(01:08):
where we were twenty four years ago, and we plan
to commemorate this day in this tragedy. It's hard to
imagine it's been twenty four years but we are going
to have a very special guest, John feel who is
an American hero who has really dedicated his life to
helping Americans affected by the tragedy and continues to do

(01:32):
so to this very day. Also, obviously a lot happening
in the Charlie Kirk assassination. And I say assassination, and
I stutter because it's straight murder, right, I don't know
what the right word is, but this man was murdered
and we have all now seen it, and it's extremely triggering.

(01:54):
Even as we go on to the air tonight, his
casket has arrived in Phoenix, Arizona, where he will be
laid to rest. And you know, there's so much chatter
to unpack. We will do so and try to do
so as delicately as possible. Please, we want to hear
your opinions. Eight eight eight three one crime. The killer
remains at large, but we are receiving some updates and

(02:17):
new information in photographs that we'll talk about also throughout
the show. And last night we discussed the tragedy happening
in Denver school shooting three students. We're in critical condition.
Last night one died that has now been confirmed to
be the shooter. We'll unpack more of that as well,

(02:38):
and look, we won't put it to bed officially here.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
This Epstein thing continues.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
We talked about it on Tuesday night when Lisa Bryant,
the director of the Epstein documentary Filthy Rich, was with us,
and frankly she called it. The UK ambassador to the US,
who has close affiliations with Epstein, has spelt out in
his recently released birthday book as well as many emails, etc.

(03:07):
Has been removed from his post. And I have to
be honest with you, it's a really big thing and
it's not getting a lot of press right now. So
here we are lots of heavy things to discuss, and
again we really want you to join the conversation. Please,
any opinion is welcome. If we don't share each other's perspectives,

(03:31):
we're really never going to grow. And I think that's
the spirit of this show. We all want justice together.
We all want to somehow meet in the middle of
what seems like a never ending finger point of them. No, no, no,
it's them. It's like the word them is becoming the
scariest word imaginable. And this is a place for us

(03:54):
to feel safe to share, give us your perspective, all
of it is welcome, Courtney, on this very emotional night.
Let's first go to a talk back. Let's do let's
let's do.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
It a good morning, because in listening to you guys
in the morning, it's actually September eleventh.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
Now.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
I just wanted to reach out and touch base about
the shooting of Charlie Kirk. Yesterday, my daughter, several of
her friends decided to go to U one of them
made the dance team, and I was just thinking about
how here they are starting this first chapter of college
life and moving past high school, and how that momentum

(04:35):
and joy has just been stripped away from them, and
it just breaks my heart. Her friends are actually there
at the Charlie and Kirk place where he was talking
there and watching, and they watched this happen. My daughter
actually the one that broke it to me in real time,
and just trying to make sense of at all. And
I don't know. I'm proud of her maturity first speaking
with me about it and processing it.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
But on this.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Anniversary eleven, I really wish that we could change the
trajectory of what our whole society is on so well.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
That doesn't set the stage unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (05:11):
Well, thank you so much for sharing that with us.
I can't it's really hard to imagine what it would
be like to hear your child explaining that they were there,
and your thoughts about nine to eleven and wishing that
we had come further than we have are lost on
no one.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, and by the way, we will go further. I
mean we will. These are watershed moments, right, I know
in my heart that somewhere not so far away, maybe
even tonight.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
You know, people have you know.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Their feelings, they're right on this side, and everybody has
their feelings they are right on that side.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
But we know the truth often is in the middle.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
We work on true crime shows, we see this all
the time. Sometimes the truth is in the middle. And
I don't know what to call that middle, but I
know that there is love there and that we can
all meet there and we can all be smart there
and productive and find a lighter way. And again, if

(06:11):
you have any insight on how we could do that
better save zone, let's do it. This is a crime
of our community, of our hearts, for all of us,
so none of it is lost here. And yeah, Courtney
I mean, that is a tough one to start with.
And I want to reiterate, you're having your daughter there.
This is such a beautiful rite of passage moment where

(06:32):
you go from high school to college. You know, you
should be out meeting friends and having fun and rushing
and doing all these beautiful things, and instead you just
witnessed a live assassination and murder.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
And frankly, we all have now.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Witnessed this, and it changes things and I think we
have to, you know, choose the vibration of love and
authenticity and kindness somewhere somewhere.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Well, listen this.

Speaker 7 (07:00):
He's still evolving with Charlie of course, Yeah, it happened yesterday.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
But here is what we do know.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
The FBI has released images of a person of interest
sought in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk.
Of course, and this just hit my radar personally in
a press conference, but apparently police say they have a
name of that person of interest as well. The FBI

(07:26):
is offering up one hundred thousand dollars reward for information.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Which is pretty major. That's a lot of money. One
hundred thousand dollars is a pretty large reward. I don't
think that gets thrown around that quickly.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, well, I mean this everyone.

Speaker 7 (07:39):
You know, authorities were quickly in motion when Charlie Kirk,
who was the founder of the conservative youth activist organization
Turning Point USA, when he was shot at the speaking
event at the Utah Valley University yesterday, and FBI has
and other authorities have been fast in motion. So in

(07:59):
addition to the name of a person and some pictures,
they also have recovered a high powered action rifle in
a wooded area near where the shooting took place. It
was apparently wrapped in a towel, and officials say that

(08:20):
they've been able to track the movements of the shooter
and have quote good footage of the individual, but that
video footage is not being released to the public at
this time.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
And as a reminder, yesterday, on two different occasions, there
was somebody who was arrested on site.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
We all kind of watched that live.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
There were two persons of interests who were brought into
custody and pretty quickly released, which I was surprised by
because sometimes you know, if you're brought into question on
a case as massive as this one, with you know
the world is watching, you know, you know, fortunately they
were removed very quickly. I'm so curious. I'm so curious

(09:01):
that even about this footage that we're seeing of this
what seems to be a young man wearing a T
shirt and an American flag on it in a ball cap.
You know, hopefully that's the guy, because look alikes everywhere
are you know, frankly in danger.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
Yeah, And it is worth saying because this is something
that has happened before.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
It comes to mind.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
There was the bombing at the Boston marathon, that's right,
and social media became a very dangerous place when people
started I'm talking about civilians. I'm not talking about the
FBI or other law enforcement agencies. But when people start
posting pictures of this is the guy, that's the guy,
it can be dangerous. It can be life ruining, it

(09:45):
can be deadly. So let's all proceed with caution and
not try and fill a void of information with stuff
we may think versus stuff that is fact.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
So in just so well said, and it's got everybody
a little bit amped, right. I think anybody listening right now,
ourselves included, it has triggered you know, we're all a
little amped, you know, I don't know what the better
way to phrase that is. And nothing really great comes
of that, right, We get amps, but like it. It's
fear based, right, so we're gonna hope to not perpetuate that.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
That's right.

Speaker 7 (10:20):
Listen, this is true Crime Tonight. We are on iHeartRadio.
I'm Courtney Armstrong. I am here with Stephanie Leidecker. We
want to hear from you. We're at eighty eight three
one Crime, Gollie. We're talking about a lot of things.
It is the anniversary of nine to eleven. We are
covering headlines of evolving stories like Charlie Kirk. We are

(10:41):
about to get into the updates on the Colorado shooting
as well. But any any thoughts you have, give us
a call and join the conversation.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
All opinions valid.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
As an update on the Colorado shooting, which also happened yesterday,
the two students were injured aut of Colorado High School
after another student opened fire. The suspect has been identified
by authorities at sixteen year old Desmond Holly. He has
since died from a self inflicted gunshot wound. It's unclear

(11:16):
how Holly had obtained the gun but his family is
cooperating with the investigation, and the Sheriff's office is searching
through Holly's phone and locker and family phone. So what
we do know, aside from the fact that he reportedly
took the bus to school that morning, is the sheriff

(11:38):
office said he was quote radicalized.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
By some extremist network.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
We have no further information from that, but as that
also comes to light, we will share information with you.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
And something that we've sort of been hearing about a
lot is this online radicalization of young adults and and
you know, Courtney and I we've all been we're knee
deep in it right We're making a podcast that will
be coming up soon, and it's crazy that it's so
timely because again, it really does speak to this radicalization

(12:14):
of young people, whether during COVID post COVID, you know,
it's the online generation and it's really hard to monitor
to the extent that we need to be and I
think it's an important convo. So yeah, obviously, more on
that to come.

Speaker 7 (12:31):
More on that to come, And we pulled some research
that I think is interesting to share, just so we
all really hear some black and white numbers in terms
of shooting. So high school where this occurred, Evergreen High School,
it's a big one. More than nine hundred students are
enrolled there and it's in the same county as Columbine was,

(12:53):
which is just a notable thing because that was a
really pivotal moment in this universe of school shootings. There
have been three hundred reported mass shootings this year in
the United States, and that's a three hundred Wait, three
hundred this year. That's correct, it's September. Really, it's correct,

(13:13):
and that is according to Gun Violence Archive and Stephanie.
A couple of weeks ago that number was two hundred
and eighty six. So again, these are just numbers I'm sharing.
And of those three hundred reported mass shootings, about forty
seven school shootings have occurred so far this calendar year

(13:34):
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
So forty seven this year, and again that's an obvious uptick, right,
So or is there something about the social media awareness?

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Are we just more aware of these shootings?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Right, isn't impossible. This is crazy.

Speaker 7 (13:49):
It's just you know, I had looked the other day
there was a dip in twenty twenty with the pandemic.
I believe there was another slight dip in twenty twenty one.
It could be wrong about that, and we have since
been on the wrong trajectory and an uptick of school shootings, so.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
That I don't know. I mean, we've talked about this before,
even since this show has started. That and I wish
we had a better answer, honestly, if there was a
secret pill or a piece of cake or something that
could make this better. If we don't have the obvious answer,
if you do, please share it.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Eight eight eight three one crime.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
You cannot buy a vest for your children to keep
you safe in school anywhere in the country right now.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's astounding. Is there sold out?

Speaker 2 (14:37):
This is true crime tonight. We're talking true crime all
the time. Please stay with us. We'll be right back.
Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. Listen, we
are talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker

(15:00):
with Courtney Armstrong and listen. It is nine to eleven.
It's been twenty four years. I'm sure everybody listening can
remember exactly where they were twenty four years ago when
this horrific tragedy occurred. It's been close to all of
our hearts we're all New York not all of us,
excuse me, but several of us are you know, New Yorkers,

(15:22):
and hold this so close to the heart, and we
want to do something a little productive tonight. So we're
going to be having an extraordinary man with us to
share how he's been helping ever since, by the way,
literally ever since, and you know it's a page we
should all take. And also Epstein, we didn't get to

(15:44):
that in the last segment. There have been some you know,
pretty staggering developments even just today, so we'll be getting
to that as well. And also for a prospective check,
we have I mean, honestly, Shade Robinson's mother. She's been
here before and we know we promised that she would

(16:04):
be back.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
She's one of the most.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Extraordinary humans period, and she's going to be sharing her
update things that have been happening since her daughter's She
had to actually give her a victim her you know,
victim impacts shapements about the matter in which her daughter
was murdered, and there's been some new developments since then.

(16:28):
And also will be highlighting another case that hasn't really
been getting nearly enough attention as a result of you know,
I get choked up when I think about Shade Robinson.

Speaker 7 (16:39):
I do understand the fulsh Yeah, it's unbelievable and as
she said to talk about perspective check and what she
the greatness that she is putting out into the world
after the tragedy she endured and similarly, John feel literally
a hero.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
So John, he is an activist.

Speaker 7 (17:01):
He is a retired construction worker who has spent the
last twenty four years advocating for first responders of the
September eleventh attacks. He himself was injured while working on
Ground zero demolition team and was ultimately he was denied
financial compensation for really serious health issues he faced as

(17:21):
a result of his injury, and thus he took that
and began his advocacy for others in similar situations. It
has been tireless, it has been effective and impactful. And John,
we are so grateful that you are here on this
important day.

Speaker 8 (17:38):
Hello, Hey, thank you for having me.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
And that introduction was way too much because I am
far from the hero.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Oh yes you are. And by the way, you're there,
you are a real hero.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
And you know, and I always want to clarify too,
heroes happen daily.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
You know, heroic effort. It's our daily you know.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
We all have the opportunity to do that, and sometimes
we need to be reminded. And it's people like you
who remind us how that looks and how that's done.
And by the way, a little happy shout out, because
I would.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I went to Staycham High School.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I'm from Lake grond Konkoma, Long Island, so Wisconsin. Listen,
we are maybe like sixteen seconds from each other. So uh,
you have my hometown pride as well, because a Long
Islander is in the house, all right.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
I grew up and called back my house and my
park that I built was in Wisconsin, all right.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Come on, you guys are problems.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
We might even be related at the end of the day.
So I'll meet you at Little Vinie's Pizzeria and we
can talk more about it.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
So great, And the park is right across the street
from the Little Mini exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Come on, that's my That's exactly where I grew up.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
So so much more of this to come, amazing, Sean
tell us and tell everybody.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Why is there still.

Speaker 7 (19:02):
A need to advocate for nine to eleven first responders?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Why is that important?

Speaker 9 (19:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (19:08):
Great question, So back in twenty ten, we got a
bill called the James Jog and Helping Competition I passed
for the first time, and we walked the halls of
Congress for several years to.

Speaker 9 (19:21):
Get that done. Nobody thought it would get done. They
called it dead on arrival.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
They didn't give it a chance. And we got what
they call lucky and we got this bill passed. And
at that time there was probably just about forty thousand
people that were sick.

Speaker 9 (19:37):
In twenty fifteen, when we got the bill passed the.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Second time, there were seventy six thousand people that were sick.
Now today there's one hundred and forty two thousand people
in the World Trade Center Help Older and that is sick.
I did that one hundred and forty two thousand people.
Forty eight thousand plus have a certified nine to eleven
related cancer. So as we get further away from nine
to eleve, then more and more people are getting sick

(20:03):
because everybody's lane care is it different, And as you
get older, you're immune system is compromised. But the talksin's
a bit from nine to eleven and just age, you know, yeah,
it's mass.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
And for those that aren't thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Sorry, Court, but like imagine if you're responding in something
so critical as that time. We all remember the photos,
the the incredible amount of toxic smoke and ash, and imagine,
you know, while people were you know, running for their lives,
there was also so many that had to also run
in to this mass of massive destruction. So so yeah,

(20:43):
that lingers, and we don't think not only is it
thousands and thousands lost that day, but the thousands and
thousands that have to actually now live with the result
of that level of exposure to such you know, horrible
toxin toxins.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I guess I don't know how better to say it.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
Well, you know, even in the early two thousands, you know,
when we were walking the holds of Congress and they
said we were making it up and we weren't sick,
science caught up and gave us validity. We worked there,
we ate there, we slept it, we went to the
bathroom that you name it. We did it, and we
were exposed to those toxins studentose, mouth, and skin. And

(21:25):
if you took those toxins individually, they were harmful, they.

Speaker 9 (21:29):
Would cause cancer.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
Then if you combine them all together, it was a
toxic soup that nobody's ever seen before. It was unpresident
So for them to.

Speaker 9 (21:37):
Say we weren't sick, it was disingenuous.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
And then for them to say it was just a
New York issue, it was disingenuous because in the eight
month clean up, somebody from every state and four four
hundred and thirty four out of four hundred and thirty
thousand congressional districts in this company, in this country were
represented a ground zero.

Speaker 10 (21:57):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
So we we took every excuse they had and we
shot it down. And while we're a mandatory bill and
they have to keep us hoping until twenty ninety, they
can slow it down, they can delay, they can put
obstacles and hurdles in a way, but we're not going
around them anymore.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
We go through them. Oh man, this is unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (22:23):
And listen, I am really so happy you're here because
you're giving us facts, figures and information that I for
one didn't know and we need to know.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
So this is really important. John.

Speaker 7 (22:38):
What now are you working on and what kind of
obstacles are you facing now?

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Well, we're trying to get Hr. Fourteen to ten pass,
and that is to fund the world traits and a
health program which is a lifeline for one hundred and
forty two thousand people to continue treating them, paying for
their surgeries, paying for their medications, making sure that they
go to the right doctors, making sure that they get
their prescriptions mailed than the mail. And here's the thing.

(23:05):
We have enough money to twenty ninety. We don't have
enough money to twenty twenty seven. And I know that's
not sounds right, but that's Washington d C wonky mad.
And here's what happens in twenty twenty seven. If you're
in the program, you'll continue to get treated. But if
you get sick at the twenty twenty seven you're not getting.

Speaker 9 (23:26):
In the program and you will die.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
Our doctors have, our doctors have twenty plus years of expertise.
I was signed to have twenty plus years of medical journalism,
peer reviews of expertise. And we have a highest survival
rate in the nine to eleven communities than the general
population because we have early screen and protection. But this

(23:50):
administration and this Secretary of Health, they have recklessly hurt
the nine to eleven community with poor leadership and truly
truly horrible decision making and a million thousands are going.

Speaker 9 (24:05):
To pay for it.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
And like looking back in those days, because like you know,
we've seen so many you know events, whether it's you know,
the excessive fires that just happened in Los Angeles, and
you know, people that are heroes going into these tragic situations.
In your case, you know, posts on nine to eleven,
when you started living and breathing in this toxicness, were

(24:29):
people aware like is there anything to take from what
happens next time? God forbid? There's something like do you
wear masks? Were you all in hazmat suits? Like there
was really seemingly nothing, There was no protection at that time.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Correct.

Speaker 9 (24:44):
They were home.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Depot paper masks, and they were cumbersome and they were
in the way and they didn't do anything.

Speaker 9 (24:50):
Well, I was there for five.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
I was there for five and had things before and
I never bore a mask on. You didn't talk on
the radio, you couldn't communicate with the guy next to you,
and a lot. But we knew we were sick. We
knew it was because everybody had a running nose in
the sword throat. And that's how it starts.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Mm hmmah, by the way, and that's how it starts,
but yet you still kept going. And that's the piece
of it, Like I guess got a little covered in
a chill right now, Like the fact that you know
it and you have that moment of impact where you're like,
I know this is bad for my health personally, but
I know this is bigger than me, so as a hero,

(25:26):
I'm going to continue and to fight.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
That is the intention point, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Like, that's the moment where it's like, Okay, well I'm
thinking bigger than myself and it's pretty extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Period the end exclamation point.

Speaker 9 (25:41):
Well, I think if you asked most nine eleven responders,
they would do it again. They would all say yes.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
But I'm that guy that would say no. I'm that
guy that says no, I don't want to eat thousand
pounds this Year'll crush on my left food. I don't
want to get hurt, I don't want to get sick.
I want to get on with my life and I
want to live a normal life. You know, I'm never
going to come This is twenty four years of my life.
I've had twenty six surgeries, thirty.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Years, forty six surgeries, thirty eight what thirty eight from
nine to eleven because of my left foot was crushed.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
And I was in the hospital for eleven weeks with
gangreen and teptus. That badfoot had numerous surgeries, which created
another bedfoot, which had numerous surgeries, which led to a
bad knee which had nine surgeries, and then led to
two bad hips which had double hitting replacement. But again,
you know, if you look at me, I look healthy.

(26:32):
I go to the gym every day, I exercised, I
don't drink, I don't smoke, and I you know, John
Stewart told me, I was built for this, John Stewart,
and I have the endurance, but I had to be
broken to be built for this.

Speaker 9 (26:45):
If that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, of course that's the case for most people that
are heroic. They have to be broken because that's where
you rise.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
And also continue the fight.

Speaker 7 (26:56):
As you said, we even with Congress, you go through
them and you make them happen, you know, John, you
had said earlier, you guys, something you got lucky and
something past.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
The harder you work, the luckier you get. So no,
this is what you and your community have made happen.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
True, John, What do you do this time of year
when you want to acknowledge the anniversary of September eleventh.

Speaker 9 (27:19):
Well, to me, time an anniversary today, rememberance. It's a
day of reflection. It's a day of.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Remembering those who were lost the sense of violence and
their families.

Speaker 9 (27:27):
Who were torn apart.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
Yeah, but I also can't forget those who got sick
that didn't die that day, but part of them died
that day and they're slowly dying sin and many have
died since. In it Hentoy, I created that memorial in Wisconsin.
This Saturday, we're putting three hundred and sixty two names
on the wall that already has over three thousand that
have died since nine to eleven. This is non stop. Yeah,

(27:53):
you know, this is what we do and when we're
not going to stop anytime soon.

Speaker 7 (27:59):
And that again go back to our initial question of
why do we need this still? And you have you know,
continued to answer that this is an urgent and evolving issue. Listen,
if people want to support your work or to learn more,
where should they look.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
Just call their members of Congress and the Senate across
the country and tell them to support Hr. Fourteen ten.
You know, over the years when we were passing legislation
in Albany or New Jersey, or Michigan or several in Washington, DC.
We always had opposition.

Speaker 9 (28:35):
This time, we don't have opposition.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
We're fighting the boogey man because we don't know who's
our opponent, and it's frustrating and it's difficult. But today
we're up to eighty six co sponsors and I'm confident,
and I'll bet my one kidney that we get a
bill pass by the end of the year.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I'm going to bet on that as well, because I
bet on you in a heartbeat. And if somebody wants
to make a donation or something, is there some place
that they can find that information. We're happy to post
it on our website as well.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah, you know, we don't go out.

Speaker 9 (29:10):
We let our work body of work speak for yourself.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
We don't asktra donations, but they can go to field
Good Foundation dot com fea l and you know, while
it's greatly appreciated, it's going to go to somebody who's
waiting for help. But we don't ask anymore and people
just do on their own. And what we do, you know,
we have to wear several different hats.

Speaker 9 (29:33):
We have to.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
Advocate, We have to go to hospital beds and hold
someone's hand while they're dying. We have to go to
the family we have today die. We have to make
sure they're enrolled in the World Trades and a health program.
We have to make sure they follow the victims competition
claims you're compensated for their roles and their death. This
is you know, advocacy hours a week. It's a hobby

(29:53):
or Saturday afternoon, but activism is twenty four to seven.
And you got to make sacrifices.

Speaker 9 (29:58):
You have to.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
You have to make anniversaries and birkdays and holidays and
apologize later.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (30:05):
Well, we're so honored. We're really honored that you took
this time. And John, we will be posting your information
and you know, let people do with it what they will,
which hopefully is donate. And we just thank you again
so much for taking time out of your schedule. And
I look forward to toasting when those next bills pass
Go Strong Island. That's right, exactly, John, feel how great

(30:30):
was that? And I just honestly, we were so excited
to be speaking to the powerhouse of a man who
I think John Stewart said correctly, was built for what
he's doing.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
And listen.

Speaker 7 (30:41):
You can and should order pre order his upcoming book,
It is I Will Follow You Anywhere, The true story
of the nine to eleven responders who took on Congress.
You can also check out his vendation at the Feel
Good Foundation fea l Good Foundation, you know, and just
to read it what John says. He's like, Listen, we
don't ask for donations, but if people want to, so

(31:04):
if you want to.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Again, we talk about walking the talk, right, that is
what it's all about. That is what Americans are all about.
And by the way, if you have never been to
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(31:28):
I encourage you to go check it out and have
a slice for me me too. Well, Listen, there's been
so much happening in the news, and you know Epstein,
this the story continues, you know, before these most recent tragedies,
the news of the moment that we were talking about
on Tuesday, when Lisa Bryant, the director of the documentary

(31:52):
Jeffrey Epstein Filthy Rich, which you can watch on Netflix.
You know, I say that because she was really in
in the mix, right, she was really talking with victims,
she was going to the island. She was like knee
deep in it. And there were a couple things. And
I know, Lisa, we've had the benefit of working together,
and you know, she has to be a little careful sometimes,

(32:12):
but I felt like on Tuesday, man, she was letting
a lot of new information come to the surface. And
in one of those things that she not only said
but frankly predicted, happened today And I'm not really saying
it in the news all that much. Court, Do you
want to fill us in Phyllis?

Speaker 7 (32:32):
Yes, absolutely, because it is you know, given everything that
is going on, it's gotten a little play.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
It would probably have gotten more.

Speaker 7 (32:40):
But Peter Mendelssohn, he's the UK's top diplomat to the US,
he was withdrawn from his post.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
And this is following.

Speaker 7 (32:49):
The release of that birthday book quote the first fifty years,
the private birthday book that was compiled for Jeffrey Ebstein
by Gillien Maxwell. And you know, for his birthday and
Peter Mendelssohn, Okay, he didn't even he didn't just drop

(33:10):
a note or write a poem. In this book, which
was made public by the US House Committee, it had
a ten page personal note and vacation photos from Mendelssohn
alongside emails in which he defended Epstein's criminal record.

Speaker 8 (33:26):
Like that.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's a lot, and it's a lot because this is
somebody who has been you know, controversial and sort of
one of those names that's been around this story for
a very very long time. So for the UK, you
say dismiss or release, I say fired.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
They straight up fired him.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
It's been pretty quiet about this firing, and I think
it says a pretty loud thing, meaning this birthday book
that has been released, as there's also been other documents
that were released alongside of this book, and frankly we're
waiting to sort of get the details of some of
those other things too, but it shows the weight of

(34:11):
this book. So, you know, we talk about this guy
Mendelssohn saying, oh, yeah, you know, we were associates.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
You're saying you were his best pal.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
There were photographs or cartoons like literally hand drawn cartoons
in this birthday book of little girls, little girls and
then young girls giving a massage to Epstein. I mean,
it's really it's unbelievable that this exists. So as much

(34:42):
as we all want to pretend that this book is
sort of irrelevant or it's nothing or you know, put
it under the rug, the UK is not playing and
they have.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Fired this man.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
And by the way, this guy was up for question
many many times over the years, and somehow he still
rose more questions. No, actually, let's give him a promotion.
How about some more questions? Well, no, no, no, let's
make it him an ambassador. That's an idea. It is
impossible to fail upwards that much when you are in
and around a pedophile.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
And we know for a fact now that.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
The relationship between the two of them and their association.
I say that in air quotes continued well after Jeffrey
Epstein had been convicted as a pedophile.

Speaker 7 (35:32):
Absolutely, and as you say, in the UK is not playing.
The UK Minister Steven Dary he stated that Mendelssohn at
the extent of his relationship with Epstein was totally different. He'
said materially different from what had been known. So it
appears that Peter Mendelssohn, who has been dismissed of his

(35:52):
post as ambassador, really tried to play it down. And
then after the release Mendelssohn he has publicly he's expressed
regret over continuing this relationship with Epstein for far longer
than he should have done.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
How about the regret for the women that have still
been victimized by this man that you call your best pal,
even after his conviction where he got a sweetheart deal
by alex Acosta, which again we also know will be
in the hot seat a week from tomorrow. We should
all be following that closely, not also getting any chatter.

(36:32):
I'm not hearing tons about this, but alex Acosta was
a US attorney at the time when Jeffrey Epstein in
West Palm Beach was brought up on charges he pled guilty.
We heard from Lisa Bryant that he was actually charged.
There was allegations of about fifty eight charges, if not more,
and instead only two were brought forward, of which Epstein

(36:56):
pled guilty.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
He got a cush deal. He got to go to work.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
And hang out and have free reigns all day and
then he had to report in at his low security
little jail and have a little sleep, and then the
pedophile got to do his thing. So I know we
all agree that this is, uh, that's not cool. That
doesn't seem totally fair. So some of this is the
onion is getting unraveled, or how do you you peel

(37:21):
the the onion?

Speaker 3 (37:23):
The onion is getting a little.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Peeled back, And.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I I think in the coming days we're going to
continue to see more of this and we should all
be playing we should all be paying attention.

Speaker 7 (37:35):
Yeah, absolutely, and see you know what, what information continues
to come out. Well, listen, this is true crime tonight.
We're on iHeartRadio and we have been talking about Peter
Mendelssohn and the top diplomat to the US from the
UK has been has his post taken away after it

(37:57):
came out that he wrote in Epstein's birthday book that
he wrote ten pages in fact, if you have any
thoughts on that eighted eight three to one crime, if
you have any thoughts memories about nine to eleven, or
you know, whether it's sad, whether it's beautiful, we'd love
to hear that. John feel was also just on who

(38:21):
supports all the people who have been were hurt during
the rescue of nine to eleven And now we have
a talk back.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
Hey guys, I love your show and I just want
to say I'm so disheartened and heartbroken to hear about
Charlie Kirk and my thoughts and prayers go out to
him and his family. But one thing I have seen
people mentioning on social media is how Charlie Kirk was
advocating for the release of the uncensored and unredacted Epstein files.
What do you guys think about this? And not to

(38:51):
be insensitive or anything, but do you think this could
have something to do with his death?

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Thank you? Right to the heart of it.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I'm going to just jump in here and I'm going
to be a little naked about it. We have heard
this a lot today, and again these are two separate
issues because the tragedy should never be tarnished in any
way like this is something that should never have happened.
And just like our caller would say that, our prayers
are really standing with his beautiful wife and there two babies.

(39:22):
This is a senseless, disgusting criminal act the end. However,
there has been a lot of conversation about the fact
that he also was speaking out and getting a little
out of maybe off script when it came to his
relationship with President Trump and the transparency of the Epstein files.

(39:43):
And I know that's a scary thing to say out loud,
but he really in just the last couple of weeks.
I mean, it's no question just there's plenty of evidence
to support it and footage to support it. He was
blatantly asking that these files be released in the fullest
transparent way as we all are. And it has raised

(40:07):
some questions. I certainly don't know the answer, nor should
we be guessing.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
But what do you make of that?

Speaker 7 (40:14):
I think there's too many unknowns. Certainly what you said
it is, you know, I have certainly heard that. I
have also heard many many different iterations of what possibly
could have motivated this shooter. But we don't know we
they are unless it has changed in the last moments,
which may have the shooter is still not yet in custody, and.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
We don't know. There's so many schools of thought.

Speaker 7 (40:42):
And I think, you know, as kind of I said
earlier in a dearth when we don't have a lot
of information that you know, we're humans and we like
to fill it with information. So I think it's strange
that we are releasing an image of this potential shooter
where an American flag and a ball cap, Like, what
is that dangerous?

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Also, I don't know, I'm.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Surprised that that footage is being seen so widely. And again,
we work in true crime. We see this in cases.
We've seen people be harmed in hurt because of their misidentification.
It is a little you know, I don't know how
to even talk about how somebody could get such a
great shot and have such access scary stuff.

Speaker 7 (41:29):
It's just such scary stuff. So yeah, and I think that,
like my concern more is if people have sort of
lookalikes versus the FBI.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
It appears that it's released with a certainty.

Speaker 7 (41:42):
I mean, we've seen if you've been watching, you've seen
the video of the perpetrator allegedly running across the.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Rifle in a towel in the woods.

Speaker 7 (41:52):
Apparently, and apparently there is video of the perpetrator leaving.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
So well, regardless, here's I want to know about Epstein.
Let's just like refocus it up. I would like to
understand better Epstein's financial backing because there is one thing
I know is we have to follow the money at
all costs.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
So how does this grifter of a.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Guy who has not does not have an illustrious background.
This is not a you know, a finance extraordinaiy. This
is a guy who has very little background, yet he
has somehow managed to be in the middle of so
many high profile let's just call it. Take the leaders
out of it, let's justa let's take a list out of.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
It, let's talk. Let's keep the.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Names out of it for a hot minute, out of respect.
But what about the money piece of it? How is
it possible that this average guy somehow is in the
in the behive with this much money swirling around him?
Is it possible that he was what's the word honey potting?
When you when you when you sort of lure, you know,

(43:01):
you're giving a you're basically luring people to your island
so that you can put them in compromising positions where
you can therefore blackmail them, where you can therefore have
that blackmail equal a lot of money or a lot
of high profile decisions or frankly, world decisions.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Is it possible that he was a somebody.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Who was being paid to lure people into these situations.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Who knows. That's of course a speculation.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
But I'm so curious how we can see Deutsche Bank
and JP Morgan be implicated in something so insidious.

Speaker 7 (43:44):
Well, you're saying, follow the money, and the fact of
the matter, as it seems, is that you know, they
were aware that there were wrong doings going on with
the money. However, having Ebstein as a client was bringing
them so much money that it was, you know, close

(44:05):
enough to keep them.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah. Yeah, let's just traffic.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
A bunch of thousands and thousands of girls, some of
which were fourteen years old.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Man, Yes, I mean, let's stay.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Let's ask the other question, how do you own an island?
How does this average schmagega guy suddenly own an island
that's like real money? Where are all the videotapes that
we saw being removed from said island and the West
Palm Beach location that he lived in, which was extraordinary?

Speaker 3 (44:36):
What about the New York City address.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
One of the most high fallutant locations in all of
New York City, one of the most expensive cities in
all of the land.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Who is paying the bill?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
And I think that is a very scary answer or
or is it? I don't know, but I think it's
also something that no one's really talking about right now.
And and this story is continuing regardless of whether we
cover it or not. And I think if you have
an opinion, we'd love to hear it, because again, so

(45:11):
much confusing information at such a triggering time.

Speaker 7 (45:14):
That's right, Well, listen, stay with us, because at the
top of the hour we have more true crime headlines
we want to hear from you, eighty eight three to
one crime, and later we are going to get to
speak with Sheena Scarborough and how she is keeping her
daughter Shadday Robinson's memory alive. Keep it here True Crime tonight.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
And look, it's been a heavy couple of days. It's
nine to eleven. We want to send our prayers and
our love collectively to anyone who has been affected by
the tragedy twenty four years ago in New York City.
Nine to eleven has affected us all and remained so

(46:04):
deeply in our hearts, and I hope everybody is still
feeling the love and the compassion and the empathy. Again,
if you have a story from that time period, we've
heard so many important ones. I even had a friend
who was had gotten like multiple parking tickets, for example,
And it's a small thing, but it stuck with me.

(46:26):
This morning had gotten a bunch of parking tickets and
was working in one of the trade buildings and because
of said parking tickets, they couldn't go to work that
morning and had to go and pay all these parking
tickets because their car had been impounded, and then had
they gone, they would have been lost. So it's like

(46:48):
all of these lighting doors moments, children who have grown
up without their parents. It's just the stories are endless.
So if you have one to share, please do we
want to hear it. And if you don't want to
share it, just know that we're thinking of you and
moving on. You know, steph Taha, what do you want

(47:09):
to share?

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Where you were?

Speaker 8 (47:12):
Sure? Well, where we were?

Speaker 11 (47:14):
I think for some reason, I feel like Stephanie and
I were both working together around that same time.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
We were. We absolutely were. We were New Yorkers who
had moved to Los Angeles at that time, which was
like a.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Big dream come true.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Suddenly we went from city living to sunshine and beaches
and yeah.

Speaker 11 (47:36):
Everyone casual and relaxed, and yeah, I don't remember the
project one hundred. I feel like it's one of the
ones we've done together. Yeah, do you remember we were
told we didn't have to come into work and the
visuals of everything that day were so impactful, But it
was crazy. It was hard to believe. And that's why
some of this is remembering. I started calling everyone from

(47:57):
the office back in New York. I couldn't get through
to eighty in New York. It was, it was. It
was disturbing when you have friends and family that lived
there and then you have no idea what's going on.

Speaker 8 (48:07):
You can't reach them.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
It was a really like naked feeling to not be
able to get on a plane and be in New
York as a New Yorker during that time.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
And yeah, you're so right.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
I was with like Jocelyn Inquiry, a friends mutual you know,
friends that we used to work with also at that time,
real time.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
So, yeah, you're right, it's it's been a we've had
a great run.

Speaker 8 (48:31):
A great run, I know.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yeah, I know so many.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Life yeah, important life memories together and really tragic ones.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Courtney, where were you? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (48:42):
I had also just moved from New York Connecticut area
to Los Angeles and my mother called Betty, who.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I seem to talk about on the show.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
But we love you, Betty, love you, Betty.

Speaker 7 (48:57):
Betty called me very early in the morning my time
and said, turn the news on.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
And so I was on the phone with my mom.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
The first building had been hit and I was on
the phone watching news when the second building was hit.
So that was, you know, six six something my time.
And that day I was supposed to start. It was
going to be my first day of working with a
lawyer who I worked with for a couple of years.
And I had to call into work and I remember

(49:25):
I literally said, I'm like my mom said, I can't
go to work today.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
I think that we are at war. And that was all.

Speaker 7 (49:33):
It was so confusing, I mean, it was just it
was so confusing.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
My cousin Chris, thank god, he walked down.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
He was in one of the towers, and he has
commented many times of the unbelievable experience of seeing first.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Responders go up in wow.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
And also so not just what it was like walking
down the stairs with everyone helping everyone, no matter, and
he'll say this and posts, you know, no matter, what's
your creed, what's your religion, what's your everything, everyone helping
who they could, and once again those first responders going
in while people were fleeing.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
So you think about that. I mean, that is just
something that is a moment. It's a feeling, right, and
I think we all have it. I think every single
one of us has that feeling that John feel, for example,
you know, spoke about earlier, where you know, when put
to the moment, at that set when you have no
time to think, when you're just operating from your heart space,

(50:41):
that you just run right in. It's like, you know,
we hear stories about mothers, you know, lifting a truck
to save their child pinned underneath it, and you're like,
that's unimaginable. Yeah, that's that's the thing, right, So like
that instinct. I don't even know how to put words
on it, but I find it so wildly impressive.

Speaker 11 (51:05):
I'd asked Sam and Adam, but I think you're you
were in strollers at that time, or were you?

Speaker 12 (51:10):
I don't know, Well, I was in I was in
first grade at the time, so I am just old
enough to remember it, Okay.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I think I was at school for some red.

Speaker 12 (51:19):
I might be combining memories, but I remember my teacher
was from New York and hit her hard, and I
remember her sitting all of us down and having a conversation.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
I'll pass the mic over to Sam here.

Speaker 9 (51:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (51:33):
I actually was in fifth grade at the time, and
I remember being televised.

Speaker 14 (51:39):
Actually one of my classmates, her dad was in one
of the buildings.

Speaker 8 (51:43):
Oh you made it.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
I just remember a lot of that that was going
on that day. Oh wow. And I guess that's a
it's a complicated I mean, listen, we work in true
crime and see grizzly things, but I also think we
work in true crime because we have empathy.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
We want to.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Solve things and help things and understand things and be
able to identify things and spot things in the future.
It's so different than some of these visuals. Even when
you see the visuals today, people jumping out of you know,
eighty story floors. You know, it's hard to unsee. So,

(52:21):
you know, these are very difficult times, and of course,
the tragedy and assassination yesterday something that we're all we're
all kind of reeling from. Still and listen, if you
missed any of the first hour, you know, you can
always catch it right after as a podcast. Please, do

(52:42):
you know Apple Podcast has highlighted us as podcast podcast
of the.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Month, so I love that and thank you for that.
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Nine to eleven is a tough one and it's just
an important thing for us to really end her in and.

Speaker 7 (53:02):
Remember it is. And again, if it listen, we would
love to hear from you. We just shared ours and
if you want to let us know any thoughts you're
having about nine to eleven or otherwise edit eight through
one crime. We are True Crime tonight and speaking of
sort of anniversaries and reminiscing Taha.

Speaker 11 (53:22):
You had a story to share, I did, and it
ties in with New York a little bit. But it
feels like this is another music related sort of my
world of music and crime are kind of intersecting a lot.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Oh my goodness, it's almost like it's a Taha intersection.
I like Temptation Island. I think it might have been Temptation.
I think what we were working on maybe season two.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
That might have been one on Fox.

Speaker 8 (53:47):
I don't know, it could be.

Speaker 11 (53:49):
Yeah, there's a few shows in the past, and.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I love it, you guys, because we have any impact
of that other time another day.

Speaker 11 (53:59):
The stories we have for that one but yeah, but well,
so back to this. This is some music and some
crime intertwined. But Mark David Chapman, if you remember that name,
he was the person that nearly forty five years ago
he killed John Lennon. So Mark David Chapman, of course,

(54:20):
recently denied parole for the fourteenth time. This is nearly
forty five years after killing John Lennon. He For those
who don't know the background, Chapman faithly shot John Lennon
outside his New York City apartment on December eighth and
nineteen eighty. He's been serving a twenty twenty year to
life sentence since nineteen eighty one. He's repeatedly expressed remorse,

(54:43):
but remains in court incarcerated due to the nature of
his crime, of course, and he's continued public and victim
there's been continued public and victim opposition to his release.

Speaker 8 (54:55):
So that is a listening yo.

Speaker 7 (54:59):
Go as well has continually opposed his release and said
it's listened to personal trauma and public safety concerns, which
seem really valid.

Speaker 8 (55:09):
I agree, Yeah, I think there.

Speaker 11 (55:11):
I think this is a case where you know, I
think it hit so many people so hard, like many
of the things we're talking about, but this is one
where it's just it's hard to let that one go
and move past it.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
So yeah, and for anyone who's not aware of who
John Lennon is.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Which is really possible.

Speaker 13 (55:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
So John Lennon was the I guess, the lead of
the Beatles, right, the infamous Beatles, and was you know,
really senselessly and also viciously assassinated outside of his home
in New York City. You know, again, that used to
be a place that there was a memoriam. I forget

(55:50):
what street that was on exactly that his building, but
I've been to it and by it many times. But
you know, for all of these years, there's typically some
sort of flower or some sort of a memoriam out there,
which you know, which really just shows the power of legacy,
right and making an impacts on people's lives. You know.

(56:14):
Music is that thing, right, We all kind of are
so affected.

Speaker 11 (56:17):
By his one one of his songs imagined to this day,
I still get goose like every time You're Beautiful.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Still the theme song of this moment, I think.

Speaker 8 (56:28):
So that's a good point, Courtney.

Speaker 7 (56:30):
You're going to say something, oh beautiful boy, which I
wasn't calling you although you are beautiful boy is a
song that that I.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Oh shoot, he's beautiful when Tah.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
When I first met Taha, he was a producer and
very fancy, and he was exactly as he is right now.
He's always very polished, and he's very you know, smart,
and he's very up to date and has a clipboard sometimes, right,
he loves a clipboard.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
He did them too, and sometimes he'd be like, oh shoot,
can we just think about that a different way?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
And like I say oh shoot like Taha in my
head probably thirty five times a day for the last
two thousand years since I've known you.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
And by the way, he still says it.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
And by the way, now we all do, Adam and
Sam included. So that's also another catchpra we should make
a T shirt.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Oh shoot shot.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Shoot, yeah, yes, exactly, not shoot like oh shoot, Well
I can't see.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
This is a tricky thing.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
So show we don't mean like shoot as in the gun.
It's like, oh shoot, like I forgot something, not like
pull a trigger.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Oh shoot, A valid distinction. Who would have thought? But yes,
here we are like.

Speaker 7 (57:52):
You're not just bringing the music news, You're bringing a
little controversy with yes.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
So this is again the are a buzzing.

Speaker 11 (58:01):
Let's keep them ringing and buzzing. But yeah, I like
the music stuff, so I'll keep you abreast of any
other ones. There's no news on David by the way,
the singer.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yes, what happened with that last night?

Speaker 8 (58:12):
Yeah, there's no update. He's still touring.

Speaker 11 (58:14):
So nothing else found in the front of a tesla
or anything like that.

Speaker 8 (58:18):
So we're we're good and and but I'll keep you
up to date. I'm following that one really closely as well.
So I suddenly like into the music side of crime.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
So are you a music of correspondent crime tonight?

Speaker 5 (58:32):
It might be.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
You get to go to the v M as results.

Speaker 14 (58:38):
Well, we are hard and are you gonna host Wango Tango?
Let's know where do I get the tickets?

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I actually think we are.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
In that beehive that that could happen.

Speaker 11 (58:55):
That's nice, official we get concert tickets that Okay.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I feel like there's a concert upon us actually very soon,
So I don't know, Hope.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Can you pull us some strings?

Speaker 8 (59:06):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (59:07):
Shoot, let's it slipped out. That was a real one.
I love that's going to be your beat that's going
to be your beat. So the music crime, well, there's
quite a few of them that we should also put
on your radar of yester year, right, like there have
been lots of musical crimes.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Of course, Oh yeah, what comes to head Court?

Speaker 7 (59:28):
Of course, Well the twenty seven club comes to head sure,
you know. So for people who don't know, there's you know,
thoughts and theories of the fact that many musicians Jim Morrison,
Amy Winehouse, jo thank you.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Many people who die at the age of twenty seven?

Speaker 8 (59:51):
I did not know.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
How do you not?

Speaker 2 (59:53):
How does our music correspond to know this?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Well, listen, keep it here.

Speaker 7 (59:58):
We have Sheena sco will be joining us and she
is going to be talk about the wonderful work she's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Keep it here at True Crime Tonight, Important perspective check.
This is again an important story. We've covered it before
several times. Courtney Body and I have felt extremely close

(01:00:28):
to this case, and without further ado, we would like
to invite Sheina Scarborough back to the show. She's been
here once before, really after unspeakable tragedy and is you know,
shedding light on other cases that are being kind of

(01:00:48):
underserved in the media and maybe not getting enough attention
after the tragic loss of her own daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
So Courtney, you take it away. Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:00:59):
Shaddey Robinson daughter was she was murdered, she was dismembered.
This happened in Milwaukee, and ultimately the murderer, Maxwell Anderson,
was sentenced to life in prison. Without her role, she
founded Chade's Voice Foundation, which we will speak about shortly,

(01:01:20):
and that is pushing for a task force to address
missing and murdered black and brown women. And there are
you know, politicians joining the cause. So before Shina comes on,
I just wanted to play a quick moment of her
powerful victim's impact statement.

Speaker 15 (01:01:43):
You and your family will be held fully responsible for
the rest of your life. You will be eternally haunted
by myself, my ancestors. I know you cannot sleep at night.
They have already been at you. You will never get peace,
you will never sleep. You no longer can harm and

(01:02:03):
hurt my innocent baby. You took advantage of her. You
manipulated her in the worst possible way. You're a coward.
My daughter is a hero.

Speaker 8 (01:02:16):
Sheina.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Welcome on, Welcome on, he gang.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
How you guys doing first and foremost?

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Love you?

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Yes, the whole gang. We're so happy. Listen.

Speaker 7 (01:02:33):
Ever since, ever since you have been on, obviously, none
of us have stopped thinking about you and everything you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
And you know, since we.

Speaker 7 (01:02:40):
Have spoken, you of course had the sentencing and gave
that powerful statement. Is it right that you didn't write
anything down in advance?

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
All of that was from your heart.

Speaker 13 (01:02:56):
Yes, that's that's absolutely correct. You know, as I share
with anyone, you know, when I'm doing you know, speaking,
doing any type of interview or speaking on behalf of
shah day, I'm usually I just I call it freestyle.
I speak, you know, through my soul, through her, and

(01:03:20):
you know I'm her voice, and she speaks through me.
I speak through her.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
It's really beautiful.

Speaker 7 (01:03:27):
I can't think of anything more powerful a mother could do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Period.

Speaker 7 (01:03:34):
And do you want to tell us a little bit
more about Shada's voice foundation?

Speaker 13 (01:03:41):
Yeah? Sure. So you know, this has been again the
most tragic, you know, unimaginable experience any parent or family
can endure. And through the process, you know, I have
to find some type of focus or you know, elevation

(01:04:05):
to stay above. You know, you can fall deep when
you're dealing with grief. It comes in many different layers,
and you know, everybody deals with grief differently. So her
foundation is you know, a way to carry on her
legacy and her name of who she was and who
she represented it. And at the same time it's you know,

(01:04:27):
the focus is it's a nonprofit. Shatta's Voice Foundation is
a nonprofit to support you know, others in the community,
other crime victim families with maneuvering and advocating. You know,
the mechanisms when you're dealing with you know, the loss
of a family member and all of the challenges and

(01:04:48):
layers that you have to go through. You know, learning
every system and you know, advocating you know, for your
child while you're grieving and you know, getting through the
process from you know, being able to survive and you know,
understanding crime victims compensations and in different things that you know,

(01:05:09):
your state provides and you have access to understanding your
crime victims.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
By the way, it's Steph and you bring up a
really really important point because you know, listen, many of
our listeners have also been you know, either victims of
crimes or have loved ones who have been the victims
of crimes. And you know, while in recovery or while
healing or grieving from these things. It is a really

(01:05:37):
hard system to sometimes navigate, so having advocates, you know,
frankly like you, and again, nobody wants to be necessarily
the king of this club, but it's really important stuff
because you can imagine how emotionally dysregulated you must be
when you're in the wake of tragedy like this, you know,

(01:05:58):
and again I hate to even say this with you
on the line, but you know, Shade was nineteen years
old and a college student and went on a first
date with a monster and this monster not only took
her life, but dismembered her body and has done a
crime that is too graphic and disgusting to even discuss.

Speaker 13 (01:06:23):
And yet it's disrespectful and the most unimaginable.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Unimaginable way. And like we have to say it because
we have.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
To all be mad, right, Like this is something that
we can free.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
It is like not allowed forrill.

Speaker 13 (01:06:40):
This is really thrill. Like you know, it's it's still
awaking nightmare. It's seventeen months, you know, that's my baby.
Oh it is the seventeen months, and it seems like
yesterday and all of the things that we my family
and I have you know, had to past pace and

(01:07:00):
door from the trials and being dragged out and you know,
our entire life have been displaced. You know, sometimes people
fail to realize, you know, we don't get to you know,
return to work.

Speaker 9 (01:07:13):
We don't.

Speaker 13 (01:07:14):
You have to still pay your bills, you still have
a whole lot of things that you know are still
on the table. Then you have to It's very challenging.
So just to be able to have, you know, somewhere
to go through someone who can kind of understand that
that process or some type of guidance. You know, I

(01:07:36):
wasn't really guided, you know, I have to kind of
self maneuver and advocate and teaching myself and you know,
everything that I've gone through this process. That's a part
of the you know, things that I'm implementing and the foundation.
So the foundation is the combination of you know, I
want to be I want to implement you know, scholarships

(01:07:59):
of other crime victim families, more specifically the siblings of
crime victims. Is one of the focuses I want to
do with the foundation. You know, I feel like sometimes
the siblings they get you know, not intentionally, but when
you know a parent is breathing and trying to get
justice for one of their children. You know, they you

(01:08:23):
can sometimes get stuck and you know, so caught up
that you sometimes unintentionally may like not give you know,
the usual attention to your other child.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
So oh yeah, so disrupting. Imagine how disrupting that must be.
And as a mama bear you have to fight so
hard and the system is not a simple one to navigate.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
And then, of course I know in your case, Shade
has a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Sister, your your other daughter, who's again a rising star,
and what an important life she will have. But also
while grieving, and yeah, of course things get lost in
the sauce when you're trying to find your way, and
you're what a system you have at least to be
able to share for others and Sina, I just.

Speaker 7 (01:09:15):
I wanted to say, like the one part, I love
that Shade's voice.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Your foundation has.

Speaker 7 (01:09:21):
Several different songs to sort of address all of the
different things that you yourself have been through. I mean, on
anyone's best day, navigating the court system is nearly impossible.
So that for one and this scholarship focus, do you
want to say anything about Adriana? I know she is

(01:09:42):
a greeny shestar.

Speaker 13 (01:09:47):
I have been such a phenomenal, you know, big little sister.
She's been standing right beside her mom on being her
sister's voice is well, fighting right beside me. I'm extremely
proud of her, you know, throughout all of this, you know,
tragic trauma. This she was fifteen when this, you know occurred,

(01:10:10):
she had a sixteen you know, birthday. It's just been
so beast page Like you know, she shared in her
sentencing statement, she was, you know, she's so dedicated to
school and her sports and stuff, and you know she
this is erupted. She's out searching for her best friend

(01:10:30):
and her sister, her sister's remains. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 9 (01:10:34):
Like?

Speaker 13 (01:10:34):
What child you know, goes through that and then still,
you know, happens to be able to maneuver, you know,
maintaining all AP classes, maintaining a three point eight gpa,
a four point eight.

Speaker 7 (01:10:50):
Really, I think your child, your child, That's what kind.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
I will say this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Yeah, amazing, great humans aren't always built on easy times. Right,
even as I'm reading, I don't ever want to repeat
what I'm reading right now about what you and your
daughter had to do in terms of Yeah, retrieving remains
of body parts and things that are unspeakable. And yet

(01:11:18):
this is someone who has still shown up, both of you,
showing up deliberately, intentionally, relentlessly to make sure that justice
is done and that this man never sees the light
of day again. And also while going to school and
putting food on the table and all the things that
go with it. And I think sometimes that gets lost,

(01:11:40):
you know, a crime isn't just an event. The aftermath,
the grief, the remorse, the ripple effect, it is just
really never ending. And I think that's where we can
all step in and help. And is there a place
that someone could donate if they wanted to or on
shot Day's behalf.

Speaker 13 (01:12:00):
Yeah, definitely there's a couple you know things. Please visit
the shad As Boys Foundation dot com a website, you know,
on the website, we do have the donation link to
go fundme, you know, ongoing link you know, with the
ongoing you know support donations, they they're recycling back to,

(01:12:22):
you know, help create other scholarships. Again that I'm implementing.
I'm partnering us with not only her high school that
she graduated from, Riverside University High School. Nice have. Yeah,
they have also implemented a scholarship memorial in her name,
and I do want to give it, you know, a
special The community has been phenomenally supportive for college, Milwaukee

(01:12:47):
Area Technical College. I'm looking to team up with them
and do some whole you know, scholarships with them as well,
and then alful individual ones to the foundation. And you
know also, you know, with the foundation, I'm I'm setting
up like different means of I have a you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Know, I'm creating.

Speaker 13 (01:13:09):
You got to build things up from the ground up.
This is something I've never done before. You know, I've
never done a nonprofit. I've never you know, known that
I was going to walk and be the advocate for
crime victims. I come from the mental health background, but
you know, like this is totally different from the usual
taste management and the advocacy that I've done in my past.

(01:13:29):
You know, so definitely, we are implementing currently the self shot,
a self disfense of courses that you know are a
big part of one of the goals that I wanted
to put down. It has to be one thing at
a time in between all of the court trials, you know,
I have to take one you know, layer at a time,

(01:13:51):
because I want to make sure everything is done you know, correctly,
and you know and her legacy and through you know,
through her spirit, in her honor, the way she will
want it.

Speaker 7 (01:14:02):
Absolutely, Sheena, I mean again you you are always present
in our minds. Yeah, you are a bright light for
us all and we we want to give the cases
their due.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
So we are actually going to hold the.

Speaker 7 (01:14:21):
Missing case we were going to talk about because we
want to do it properly. Although just to say out loud,
it's Jeneia Walker. So we will be covering that. We
will be covering cases, you know, in honor of Shada's
Voice foundation, and you know, we just want to thank
you one more time for sharing Shada's story, for your

(01:14:43):
careerous fight for justice.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
You are a stud. You're such a stud. Honestly, we
are made a Shena in our corner, a mama bear
not be let down.

Speaker 8 (01:14:55):
We love you.

Speaker 13 (01:15:00):
I love you guys, Yes, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Fight on, We are fighting with you.

Speaker 7 (01:15:05):
We are all fighting with you until next time, and
then we will be keeping Shada's voice alive here on
True Crime tonight. Stay with us, and the final thank you,
Sena for your time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
I cannot believe we're in our final segment. I'm staph
here with Courtney, producer Taha House, Sam and Adam in
the control room. Man oh Man, does Sheena Scarborough rip
my heart out? In ways I cannot describe?

Speaker 8 (01:15:42):
She is?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Shade Robinson's mother, Shadai Robinson was murdered aged nineteen, went
on a first date with a lovely guy that she
met and he not only murdered her, but dismembered her body.
And the fact that Sheena goes off on and fights
the fight with a level of resilience that maybe she

(01:16:05):
didn't even know she had. Right, Sometimes you don't know
the resilience until you're called to that moment. And I
guess that's what we're talking a lot about tonight, right
without even realizing it. It's that moment that maybe you
don't even realize you have that hero in you until
you're faced with that level of adversity, until you're you're
faced with violence or a crime or survival or whatever

(01:16:27):
the things are that we've had to discuss humanity. I
guess that's human. Yeah, I guess you're right, Courtney. I'm strong,
the smartest girl I.

Speaker 7 (01:16:35):
Know, But but yeah, just the best, like you said tonight,
it's the best of humanity. It is the worst of
humanity is the deep I mean it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Yes, let's focus on the best, even in the darkest combos,
because I think that's again we talk about true crime
and murder, but I think we're talking we always every night,
all of us who would listen, and we're all like
true crimers. It's something we like crime. We're not like
causing crimes and running out and like we're like, yay crime.
Quite the opposite, We're like, no crime, We're gonna put

(01:17:07):
the bag guye away, We're gonna understand how that happened.
We're going to see the little red flags in somebody
else's tail so that we can prevent doing the exact
same thing on our own. Right, Like it's so easy
to walk into the fire until you hear somebody else's
version of how they walked into the fire, and it's like,
oh god, okay, now I understand.

Speaker 7 (01:17:28):
So what a productive check, what a perspective check. And
I actually I have one more set of heroes that
I do want to bring to your guys' attention.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Bring it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:42):
And yes, we I think are all dog lovers I've
certainly spoken about my small herd and cat lovers as well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
This is Rita the cat. Ye yes, Rita the cat is.

Speaker 11 (01:17:56):
A studio favorite for legged area. So any we love
our fur babies, we'll keep it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
We love our fur babies.

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
So on this anniversary of nine to eleven, many have
likely seen these pictures of truly heroic dogs who worked.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
In the rubble. There have been documentaries about it. Listen.

Speaker 7 (01:18:18):
There were over three hundred search and rescue dogs really right, yes,
and most of them were not trained for urban rescue.
So handlers flew in services time there's the dogs, and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
So these dogs were trained.

Speaker 7 (01:18:35):
It often was wilderness and avalanches. And even though they
were in such a totally different environment. Think about that
from I mean a dog or a human's perspective. You
used to being out in the woods and now it's noisy,
it's you know, it's completely different environment. And these search

(01:18:56):
and rescue dogs they worked literally day at night, day
and night at ground zero. They were trained to find
survivors in disasters and also the volunteer, the loads of
volunteer veterinarians. They went so far as to sync up
their schedule with the schedule of handlers so that the

(01:19:19):
dogs would not have to see different veterinarians all the
time because they were working so hard in such horrible conditions,
as John described to us earlier, and these dogs as well,
in between working in the rubble, they would need to
get care.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
They need to get all of everything washed off.

Speaker 7 (01:19:39):
Of them, because of course they too had all of
the noxious stuff. They had to have ivs because they
were so dehydrated, they had to have their eyes irrigated.
And these veterinarians, all these people are volunteers, and they're
from all over, and you know, several of them said
once the dogs were just rehydrated, they would start telling

(01:19:59):
their handles go back, you know, pulling on the leash,
like we have the job. So anyway, I just want
to absolutely make notice of them. And then one more
thing on this which touched my heart, and I didn't
even know my heart had this depth to understand what
these people did. So after these dogs, they were getting

(01:20:22):
depressed because they were not finding survivors, which was their job.
And so as the handlers noticed this, they decided to
help and they staged sometimes some fake rescues, so a
firefighter or handler would hide and debris so the dog
could find them and they acted like it was a
real rescue. And then it gave the dogs success and

(01:20:46):
it lived their spirits.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Did their spirits? Yes, yes, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
So I will say this, so if you think that
you don't have any love left in your heart, go
get yourself an animal, a dog, a cat, Get yourself
like the boys read of the Cat, like god Less
read of the Cat. I'm considering a new dog. Listen,

(01:21:16):
it's a hard one. I lost Dodger, my dog.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Guys. You guys all know about Dodger forever.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
If he were alive when True Crime Tonight launched, he
we lost him right before. But boy, you'd be hearing
him the whole night.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
He had more to say than Stephanie.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Impossible, hard to imagine, hard to imagine unless he was
in my lap.

Speaker 16 (01:21:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
So I harried a dog with me everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
For many, many, many, many, many many years. But that said,
it's a it is a hole.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
That is I'm still struggling with the idea of a
new pet because I'm not there yet, but I guess
it's my first real like oof that as a whole
that it's.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
A loss unimaginably.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I mean again, I know we're talking about children and
lost and daughters and human and right now about dogs,
but that's it is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
I took it real. I can imagine he was your dog.
I mean, you were his person.

Speaker 7 (01:22:20):
It was I have to say, having witnessed from before
day one before, I couldn't. I could before Stephanie got Dodger,
I could not picture her with a dog.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
As the chief.

Speaker 8 (01:22:31):
Yeah, I've not seen you with a dog, so I'm having.

Speaker 7 (01:22:33):
Well, it's the most natural thing in the world. And
Dodger was in every meeting we were in. Dodger was
on every set.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
He was like, well he was like he was a
little naughty, rest assured, and but he was like a
combo mutt of every little loud dog.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
It's every Yeah, we just sort of disappeared in.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
My life and we were we were like, oh, look
at this little dog.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Is he ours?

Speaker 8 (01:23:05):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
And then you're like, okay, so little is not gonna matter,
Like okay, it's fine. And boy just one had a voice.
So he just kind of had to go everywhere with me.
But my point is not about me. But my point
is void. And I love Dodger and boy joes a
dog or a cat or but whatever your.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Thing is, run, don't walk.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
And I will say people are always like, well, you
know the costs and you gotta feed them and you
gotta walk them.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
And it's so true.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
All of those things are accurate. But boyd is it
like work yourself out. It just like isn't the thing
to like stop you from doing it? It just works
itself out because the love is so big and deep.
That's a great story Court.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
And it's the dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
They needed a win, Yes, they needed a win. And
we never think about service dogs, noy who find cadavas,
who need to be the ones at the front line.
We need some more pet detectives. Dodger would have been
a great one. Dodger was like in everybody so nosy.
He was nosy as nosy could be. You leave your

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cell phone, Dodger will go through your contacts, you know
what I mean, You'll read all your texts. But like,
we need some pet detective heroes.

Speaker 7 (01:24:20):
Yes, if you listen, anyone out there edit eate three
to one crime.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
True true grime.

Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
Tonight wants to know any pet detective story you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Yeah, by the way, Sam and who has Okay, so
Rita we know has some detective potential.

Speaker 12 (01:24:43):
Right, Rita surely has a detective potential.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Yeah, well surely.

Speaker 8 (01:24:48):
Yeah it's good. Like, let's let's tell everyone who read it.

Speaker 12 (01:24:52):
Is sure sure, we'll read us my cat.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Uh for all our super sleuths, we couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Figure it out.

Speaker 8 (01:25:05):
Okay, I got it.

Speaker 12 (01:25:11):
But she's real sweet. Yeah she might. I don't know
if she's quite so focused to uh, you know, focus
herself in on one case at a time. But but
she's smart. You know, surely she could crack some coats.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Yes, the cats know what's up. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:25:28):
Yeah, I've accused very few of my dogs of being smart,
but I have one right now who is like, whoa
really smart?

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:25:38):
He's just a smart dog. Geez, Now I'm coming on
a blank smarter dog.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
That's my that's my most that's my I guess that's
the category.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
I'm looking for.

Speaker 17 (01:25:55):
A lot of emotionally, and you like the hyper ones
like I love a Jack Russell Terrier like and people
are like, what a mistake, But those are my favor
They're so cute, there's so high energy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Yeah, I was Dodger. You would have loved Dodger. He
was a party pants. But like that again, you know
they they bring a whole energy to the table.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 8 (01:26:19):
But a smaller dog.

Speaker 11 (01:26:20):
I like, like, you know Doron who's been on our show,
his dog a little too big for me?

Speaker 8 (01:26:25):
Like that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
That's uh yeah, coda real big, like a size of an.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Adult, aute puppy. He's like two adults.

Speaker 8 (01:26:35):
He's a big one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Yeah, he's a human. But he's so cute and he's
so good. He's like a human and he's like looks
like he's wearing a dog Halloween costume.

Speaker 8 (01:26:46):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
I'm like, that's that real. Oh, here's a talk back.
I hope it's about dogs.

Speaker 8 (01:26:51):
Oh, let's hope.

Speaker 18 (01:26:53):
Hey, girls, I had an idea about a topic that
you could touch on. This Daniel Riviera, who was found
dead in his hotel room after being on tour with
the Annabelle doll from the Conjuring movie. There's been all

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kinds of weird things happening around this doll, and I
thought it might be fun for you to talk about it.
I'm curious as to why he was even allowed to
take the doll out of the place where it was
being stored and out of the glass case. But anyway,
I just was listening to another podcast that talked about it,

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and I thought, of you, thanks, love you bye, We
love you too.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Can wait. That's we were guys.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
We were just talking about the what was more scary
clowns or the Annabel dolls or any doll that blinks right,
like any baby doll that has like a adult hair,
like the dolls that have.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Like the long hair.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
But they have like real long hair in their eyes
blink because of the animal movies have totally freaked us
out for a good reason, right, so, I don't even
know that I know this. We should do this for Halloween.

Speaker 7 (01:28:10):
Thank you for that voicemail. And actually it wasn't. We
thought it was a talkback. We corrected it was a voicemail.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Again. If you call the number day or night, you
get the old school voicemail even message.

Speaker 8 (01:28:21):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Sam and Adam are nodding excessively right now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Do you know this case? Do you love the movie?
Are you excited about dogs and rita?

Speaker 9 (01:28:31):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Where are we at you right now?

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Stimulated beyond No, it's great that.

Speaker 12 (01:28:38):
It'll be great for the Halloween week with all this.

Speaker 11 (01:28:41):
Every day we're gonna have something creepy and scary, and
I'll tell you right now, I'm scared to talk about
this doll because I'm afraid of dolls like that. Like
I used to work for a TV personality. I will
say their name, but they kept a lot of these
creepy dolls.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I worked at the same Yeah, I feel like I know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:28:58):
We know who we're talking about.

Speaker 11 (01:28:59):
This person kept them in glass cases, but they were
the creepiest kind. In their office, in their house, everywhere
in the house glass Annabel dolls. And so once I
had to drop off for script at night and the
lights were shining down and these creepy dolls.

Speaker 8 (01:29:15):
I swear they all moved their heads and looked at me.
But to this day, the dolls all shoot shot.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
I gotta go, I gotta go. The dolls are blinking
and their hair is flowing. I gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
They're coming out of the box shooting. I hope my
boss doesn't see me right now. Oh well, that is
true that there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Was like glass dolls that blink in like glass cases.

Speaker 12 (01:29:45):
Body has her libibos too, and those those kind of
scare me. I'll say it now that she's gone tonight yeah,
kind of scares me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Go ahead, jump in that grave, go ahead. No, she's
just it's like it's but that's not in a glass box.
It's like hanging from a purse, which is like a
little bit. But they are some of the lab Boo boos.

Speaker 7 (01:30:01):
Do you have a little scary I'm with I am
with Adam and Body, I love you, but your La
Boo boos they scare me.

Speaker 8 (01:30:09):
They got on the go.

Speaker 12 (01:30:10):
If they're not, we haven't had enough time to properly
study them yet.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
We don't know what they're capable.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
What their powers were like bodies La boo booz are
for sure on the internet like solving, like solving crimes
real time.

Speaker 16 (01:30:25):
She has a little yeah, yeah, a little boiler. They're like, yeah, yeah,
I think that that that team of La boo boos
is going to bring it down.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
Well, listen again, hard night, but a beautiful night to
be with you, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Thank you for thank you for sharing this space and
time with us, And listen, We're going to be gone
for a few days and I know I'm speaking on
behalf of Courtney and I. We will be back on Sunday.
We're so hoping you will join us. Thank you for
doing so in advance Science, Sundays, True Crime Tonight, We
love you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Be safe.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
I'm going I sa