Virginia Giuiffre’s Memoir Released, Mark Sanchez Scandal, and is Courtney The Louvre Thief ?!?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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(00:41):
the way, welcome to the show. Talk back Tuesdays, everybody.
It is October twenty first, and we have a stack
night of headlines.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I buried the lead. I'm here of course with.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Courtney Armstrong and Body Movin all that talk about podcasts,
and they are on and making the podcasts as well.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
So Hi five, everybody, five. We made it.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
We made it to Tuesday. I hope you guys had
a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I did, did you? Of course?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Listen, We've been all knee deep in the latest developments
in the Virginia Goufrey memoir, Nobody's Girl, and her post
suicide memoir Frankly and I think it's an important thing
that we touch on tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
It is getting a lot of press.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
We talked about it last night, of course because Prince Andrew,
due to his association with Virginia, who is the main
victim in When I say main victim, I don't mean
the actual main victim, just the most probably the most outspoken.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
She became the face of it.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
You'll remember the infamous photograph of Prince Andrew and a
young blonde girl. She's the young blonde girl, or frankly
she was, and in that photograph, Glaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's
co conspirator stands beside them, and there's a lot to
unpack from her take on how things went down and

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scary stuff. So let's go to a talkback first and foremost.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Hey, true crime tonight. I hope you guys are having
a wonderful evening so far. I feel like there's been
a lot of conversation lately about suicide between Ellen Greenberg
and Virginia. Good Facebook coming out, So I just wanted
to say that if there's anybody that is struggling, there
are resources available and you are never alone. And I
thank you guys for bringing attention to these subjects and

(02:24):
the way you so eloquently and respectfully approach each situation.
Love you guys, have a great night.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
We love you too.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
We were just kind of having a very similar conversation
prior to airjis now, So yeah, thank you for the
thoughtful talk back.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
It's tough stuff.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
It is tough stuff, and you know, that would be
a good time to remind people that help is available.
You are not alone. You can call nine to eight
eight and somebody you will talk to you. That is
the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline, and they speak English and
Spanish and they're open twenty four hours a day, seven
days a week, nine eight eight. Or you can start
a chat by texting nine eight eight and it's free

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and confidential, and please don't be ashamed.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
You are not alone. Give them a call. Yeah. It's
heavy stuff, right, it's heavy stuff.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
And you know, sometimes our darkest days, and many of
us who have lived lives of any length, or sadly
lives of shorter length, your darkest day can feel like
it should be your last and that it will not
get better.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
But your darkest day can be one of many.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
It's always darkest before the Dawn and that right, and
the can often turn.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Into the best So okay, so true a call. Yeah,
you know it's funny.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
My best friend Tara, this is tangential, but just as
we're talking about it kind of gets my heart right now.
She had sent something that basically says that, you know,
we're not really taught how to rewire our brains after
a traumatic event, whether that's abuse of any kind or
pain of any kind. It's very difficult to rewire your

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function right. Your nervous system is dysregulated. We've talked about
that so much, and it's a reminder that amazing things
are still ahead. They are, but man, it's tough to
get through that pocket. So I do think it's important
that we're talking about this, and if you're listening right
now and have a story you want to share or
advice to give, we do want to hear it eight

(04:20):
eight eight three one crime or hit us up on
our talkbacks, because you know victims in this case with
Virginia Goufray based on her memoir in her association to
Jeffrey Epstein, I think the shtick is being quiet and
being silence, and you know, sometimes unchecked sexual trauma can
really have a reoccurring loop and while we are not therapists,

(04:43):
we talk too many of them, and from the conversations
we've even had since this topic kind of hit the airwaves,
it's here and a lot of people are really connecting
to it. So please keep the conversation open.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
And on the topic of Virginia Gufray. So, she, of
course was a an American Australian advocate and now author,
and she has known as Stephanie mentioned for being probably
the most visible accuser of Jeffrey Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell
and implicating them in their sexual abuse and trafficking her

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as a teenager, and today was the day her posthumous
memoir was released. Epstein, I say, of course, but Epstein
was a convicted sex offender, a financier backed with tons
and tons of cash from questionable sources, which answers seem
to be coming out in drips and drabs in terms

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of which banks were fine enough.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Enough enough information about the source of this money. Because
if we're looking at this book in Virginia is one
of many stories that are being told, she is.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Not the only one.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Although this memoir has some excerpts that we'll discuss tonight
that are pretty dumb founding. But regardless of even this,
there's like enough in numbers. You know, women are coming
forward now as a group with very similar messaging, and
there has to be something to it. And how is
it possible that financially Chase Bank or Deutsche Bank, who

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have both been indicted in this, Why are we not
getting more information about that? And where are the files?

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Why are we.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Not just getting full transparency? Because on the one hand,
we're hearing Virginia's point of view and many are saying, oh, well,
that can't be true. That's just one handed account, totally fair.
Let's see the files. If there is another account to
be had, have at it, Like, let us see it.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
And I can speak for myself. I don't care who's
in it, Like I don't care if my hero is
in it.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Same release it, you know, Like I don't care. I
don't idolize politicians, I don't idolize billionaires. I want to
know who's in it, regardless of who's in it, right,
regardless of who's in it, I want to know who's.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
In it, because that could still be happening right now.
And as a reminder, victims are made, not born, and
if you have been a victim, it is not your fault.
You will be okay. You know, we heal together. Everybody
who is listening right now has their own version of
something the end. This is really extreme stuff, right, So

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how do we get beyond the systemic failures or the
inability to hit the legal system correctly? What is the
problem and why are we not getting enough answers? I
understand we have a talk back.

Speaker 7 (07:28):
And it's Indie again. I actually have one more thing
to say tonight, the Virginia and New Fray thing. Are
we all going to act like she didn't take her
own life? I think about Epstein and how big that was,
and everybody was pretty much on the same page, But
no one is really talking about how she got hit
by a bus, survived that, and then shortly after it
supposedly took her own life.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Like, are we all just.

Speaker 7 (07:50):
Ignoring the fact that didn't happen?

Speaker 8 (07:52):
Very weird?

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, it is weird. It's a tough one.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
I particularly struggle with this one because there's very varying
accounts of exactly what you talked about, Indy. So this
happened just late March twenty twenty five, so one month
before very recent, yeah, and one month before Virginia which
took her life several months ago, only exactly. And there

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indeed was a car accident with the school bus, and
Virginia's her portrayal or her perspective, was that the bus
was traveling at high speeds and that initially she went
home after the crash, but was later hospitalized due to
complications that included renal failure, and that she was told
she had only days to live and was eventually discharged.

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So that is Virginia's perspective of the events. However, the police,
the official report was that it was a minor collision,
there were no reported injuries at the time, and also
other people who were eyewitnesses support the police's claim.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
So that's a tough one for me to reconcile. Also,
what do we think happened?

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Well, she had posted photographs of herself online. And by
the way, if you're just joining us, you're listening to
True Crime tonight. We're so glad you're here. I'm Stephanie
here with Courtney and Body and we're discussing the latest
developments with Virginia Gufre's post death release. Of her memoir,
and some of the allegations in it are are pretty harrowing. Yeah,

(09:22):
so she had posted basically some photographs of herself on
social media, basically kind of with black eyes, and it
looks as though she had been beaten, and that was
allegedly due to this said bus accident and then courtnying.
To your point, other people have suggested that that didn't
really add up to the accident.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
We've heard from sourcing that. Listen.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
She was allegedly in an abusive relationship. She was at
odds with her ex husbands. They were having a custody dispute. Remember,
she had three children, I think you know to date
they're as of now, I think fifteen, seventeen and nineteen.
She always said her daughter's birth. She has two sons
and a daughter, and her daughter's birth really really inspired

(10:06):
her to come forward and to speak up, which you know,
you could imagine west have a very profound effect on you.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
But yeah, she did have this really odd incident.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
So was it potentially a cover up for a beating
that she got Elsewhere?

Speaker 3 (10:21):
There was domestic abuse?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I think her now ex husband was was convicted of
that in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
Let me does a quadruple fact check that. But you're correct, Stephanie.
He pleaded guilty to domestic violence in twenty fifteen, and
that's Robert Grufray.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
So one could you know again we are theorizing here.
One theory is that she was in a bus accident
and she was injured and suffered from renal damage per
her own words, and that all was accurate. Another scenario
would be that she was a victim of domestic violence,
as she was in twenty fifteen when this person pled guilty,
the father of her three children. And maybe this was

(11:01):
a cover because she was embarrassed by a bruised face,
or there was a whole other storyline happening behind closed doors,
and people look out for each other and protect each
other and don't want people to feel ashamed, or you know,
she's been ridiculed after years and years and years of
sexual abuse by Jeffrey Epstein, he has been convicted of that.

(11:25):
The Laine Maxwell is behind bars, granted with you know,
some tender treatment.

Speaker 6 (11:31):
Yeah, just right at the time of her death. No
one would wish this on their worst enemy. She was
involved in an incredibly bitter custody dispute. She had been
prevented from seeing her children for several months, which would
drive honestly anyone to insanity. And I say that without judgment.
I just feel like that is fact if you cannot

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see your children for months at a time, and that
was due to family violence restraining order that was initiated
by her strange husband. So it was very complicated, it
was very messy, and she was navigating all this while
publicly denying wrongdoing.

Speaker 9 (12:09):
You.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Yeah, I feel like she was probably gasol at her
whole life, like, you know, thinking that it didn't She
probably was questioning her own sanity, you know, by the
end of everything, and this.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Is the cycle. Yeah, Like, this is the cycle.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Right, So you were subjected to abuse at a very
early age. Somehow a familiar hell is better than an
unfamiliar heaven, you know, a heady way of saying. Sometimes
we find ourselves in cycles. This applies to every human
who's you know, taken an air, right. At some point
we repeat the same cycle because it's familiar, and it's

(12:46):
writing those cycles.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
It is very hard and even though it's painful, at
least it's a familiar pain, right, at least it's something
I've gone through before. I survived, I can do it again.
It's not this unfamiliar maybe happiness even Are you guys
going to get the book?

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yes, you are.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
I don't know if I'm going to tell me why.
I just you know, the sexual assault cases. I kind
of feel like it's just a little bit triggering for me.
That's why I don't normally talk about like Epstein or
Ditty or you know those.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
You know, these sexual assault cases just a.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
Little triggering for me, which is odd considering I can
talk about murder all day, every day, no problem, But
the sexual sault cases, I don't know why. It's kind
of like Courtney, you know, when we have our little
meetings and I'll like talk about things in the headlines
or whatever, and I'll be like this little girl and
You're like, oh, the kids, I can't. It's kind of
like that for me, you know, because and I get

(13:38):
where you're coming from one hundred percent, but it's just
a little it's just a little too triggering for me,
a little bit. I don't think I'll get it. I
don't think you're alone in that way.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
I know. We all we all are very different, and
I think that's why we do so well together. We're
all so different, but we have respect for each other's
points of view. And I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
I appreciate you guys. And by the way, the idea
of someone being wrongfully accused right is also a nightmare.
If that is the case, imagine that is every every
I'm not just going to say, man, but everybody's worst nightmare,
male or female, would be to be wrongly accused right.
And it's easy to jump on that bandwagon. So you know,

(14:20):
making sure that all sides are being considered and heard
is the name of the game.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
Absolutely well, stick around when we come back. We have
many more talkbacks recovering everything from the scandal with NFL
star Mark Sanchez.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
There's an update and.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
You've been sharing your theories on Brian Koberger. That more
True Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with
Courtney Armstrong, Body Move In and the boys. We have Taha,
Sam and Adam in the house and it's Talkback Tuesday.
So we are gathering your talkbacks and if you want
to join us live. You still can eight eight eight
three one crime and if you want to leave us

(15:13):
a talkback now, it still may make the show. So
come on, bring them on. We've been talking a bit
about Virginia Goufrey and her recent book that just dropped.
I think yesterday I said that she had a ghostwriter.
It's not a ghostwriter. It's a regular writer, and an
acclaimed one, Amy Wallace.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
So I just want to make that correction briefly.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
But there are some really staggering allegations in it, and
we just want to share some of the excerpts as written.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Right, So these are kind of like the biggest revelations
that we've seen so far. Obviously we haven't had a
lot of time with it, but because it just dropped today,
but these are some of the bigger ones.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
The first one.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
Is that she's saying that she was savagely raped by
a well known prime minister. One of the most brutal
sexual assaults she allegedly suffered came when she was trafficked
to a high powered politician she identified only as a
well known prime minister.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
And these are un quotes. Now, just when I.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
Thought things couldn't get worse for me they did, She wrote,
Epstein trafficked me to a man who raped me more
savagely than anyone had before. She claimed that the man
wanted violence, and that he allegedly choked her repeatedly until
she lost consciousness. She said when she left the encounter,
she was bleeding from her mouth vagina and anus. Gouffwe recalled,

(16:39):
I'm sorry, tearfully, begging Epstein not to send her back
to the Prime minister, whose nationality was not specified, but
Epstein didn't seem to care. I don't know if this
is in quotes. Again, I don't know if Epstein feared
the man, or if he owed him a favor, but
he wouldn't make any promises, saying coldly of the politician's brutality,

(17:00):
you'll get that sometimes, she wrote. She did not name
him in the memoir or in past court filings out
of fear he would hurt her.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, and I think you know sir WELLSS. The writer
has said that. Yeah, she genuinely feared for her life.
So some of this was not coming up out of
fear for safety, for herself, for her children. And that's
something that we also have to remember for victims to
come forward. We've been following the ditty case. We've been
following the case after case after case. We're almost becoming

(17:28):
slightly immune to it. Right, you put yourself out there,
you make yourself public, you make your truth known, and
that can get ripped to shreds and you're now embarrassed
and humiliated. You know, she had that you know, really
painful quote that she was habitually used and humiliated. Imagine that,

(17:50):
just like hear that habitually abused and used and humiliated.
So yeah, you're like, I, you know, who first into
the most abusive relationship ever? The person who has been
habitually huge, you know, used and humiliated is likely the
magnet for yet another toxic scenario.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
And that's really hard.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's like it's textbook, but it's also how it happens.
And I certainly I don't have the answers, but you know,
it seems it seems so sad.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
It does also it seems very sad, but it also
seems very like outlandish a little bit, you know, like
a prime minister what it Just listen, I'm not here
to question victims or whatever, but I just find some
of this stuff to be a little outlandish and I
don't know, you know, I don't know where to go

(18:46):
with that.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
And yeah, like listen, and that is the truth that
this is one person's account, So we would need to
have the Epstein files to be able to know what
is not accurate, right. I think that's at the root
of it. Why the transparency is a thing. There must
be enough of a thing there that Prince Andrew and
Sarah Ferguson have lost their royal titles, which is, you know,

(19:08):
generationally a pretty major thing.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
That's a hossive family.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
You know, he's been named in this obviously and by
the way, also not with a great look. You know,
Andrew's definitely a highlight in this book and a low
light I should say, although many of the other names
are not in there.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
What were you going to say?

Speaker 6 (19:27):
Right well, to body's point, and a lot of this
is when I think landish is the word he used,
the stuff that with Prince William some of the expert
or former excuse me, former Prince Andrew, I would say, William, that.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Was a misspeaker.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
Andrew, you know that the elaborate eight girls in an orgy,
or Andrew with a puppet that looks like himself. That's
grabbing it underaged girls. I don't know all of that.
There's kind of no there's no level of depravity that
I would think, Oh, this person is either so rich

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or has such a fancy title, they couldn't possibly.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
So it's all money and influence is the name of
the game here.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Remember, at its core, this is not only a story
about trafficking and sexual abuse. This is a story about blackmail.
And they're being cameras and people allegedly, allegedly allegedly being
honey potted. I say that as a verb where influences
being drawn to Epstein's islands so that they can be

(20:36):
put in compromising situations, having tape on that and therefore
very large decisions globally or being made as a result
of Epstein's alleged blackmail. That's important stuff, right. So we
saw this in the Ditty case. It's one person's account.
How could this be true? How would we not know
about it? Fair question? But we saw Cassie Ventura in

(20:59):
the Diddy tapes, you know, get knocked to the floor
in front of an elevator at the Intercontinental Hotel and
guess what nobody heard about it because he paid them
off and imagine the level of influence we're talking about
global leaders. If at every checkpoint, at every door, your
passport's not in your hand, your family is in jeopardy.

(21:20):
You're now an air quotes sex slave, which is what
she allegedly feared she would die.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
As where do you go? And what is the answer?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
And again in the land of being productive, even where
does a victim go when coming out and being loud
about something also makes you live in the shadows and
shame because we see victim after victim again getting thrown
to the wolves in the media.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
What's the point that's true? There's no call to justice.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Nobody's really getting what they deserve based on information that
we're told. But like, where does the disconnects happen? And
I guess at the lead, where are the files? This
would all be solved if the files were out there
and there was transparency, we would have something to fact
check against. But the truth is we don't, and everybody's

(22:12):
like being hide and seek about it. And I guess
that's where the confusion lies. For me, for me, for me,
for me, Please, if you have an opinion, disagree anything,
please jump in. We are not the arbiter of all things,
you know, just trying to sort through it and trying
to see how we can prevent this type of thing
from continuing to happen in a small way and in

(22:34):
this case, a global way.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Allegedly, allegedly allegedly, right, this is true.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
From tonight on iHeartRadio, we're talking true crime all the time.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
I'm buddy, move in and.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
I'm here with Courtney and Steph and we're right in
the middle of talk Back Tuesday. We're kind of talking
about some of the excerpts from Virginia Goro Phra's new
memoir it's called Nobody's Girl. And Courtney, do you have
another one on the way.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
That we wanted to go through?

Speaker 6 (22:58):
I did have another one, and this one, I mean
it's I keep using the word shocking, because that's what
these details are to me.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
But here we go.

Speaker 6 (23:10):
Per the book, per Virginia gaphrase memoir, Jeffrey Epstein and
Gillen Maxwell allegedly wanted Virginia Gurffray to have their baby.
This was in the summer of two thousand and two. Yeah,
and Virginia was shocked when both Epstein and Maxwell said
they wanted her have their baby. She considered the request brazen,

(23:34):
which I think is an understatement.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
It's a well used word, but an understatement.

Speaker 6 (23:40):
And not only was she unsure Virginia whether she even
could have a baby because of her previous hospitalization.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
That we spoke about, I believe when she spoke up
in the hospital with that scar. Okay, okay, exactly. So
this happened after that, correct, So.

Speaker 6 (23:59):
This was two thousand and two, after that, And she
wrote she had no idea how to tell them she
didn't want to do it, so she simply asked if
they would pay for her to become a professional messuse.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
I don't know whether she was, you.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
Know, she had no idea that she They had no
idea she was a prisoner plotting her escape.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
I am kind of confused by this, Yeah, And like
they clearly don't see her as having autonomy over her
own body because she's basically a sex slave, right, but
they approach her about carrying a baby, Like why do
they care?

Speaker 3 (24:34):
What she says? Oh, I'm very confused.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, Well, meaning that they would just like do whatever
they want with her anyway.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Right, Like they're doing what they want with her anyway.
Scary thought too, I mean that means I don't know.
I just I just I guess. I just don't understand.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
And you know, I'm maybe glad that I don't understand
the sex trafficking world. But to me, they she's basically
a prisoner of them, right, Why are they asking her
permission to carry a baby? They're already raping her, Like,
I don't know, I think that's a fair question.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
I also to answer this, which is a very strange
conversation we're having.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
It is if you're going to things that we didn't
think get left turns we didn't think we'd have, but
I mean, it's here we are.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
So it's a real conversation.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
If literally the request is will you have my baby?
You're going to want that person to agree to take
care of that baby while they're in uterow.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
Sure so and give it up too, right, I guess right?

Speaker 2 (25:46):
And hand it over right? And in some messy universe
is it possible? And again, just like go with me here,
and you're you're feeling overwhelmed. You've been working with or
under the abuse of Jeffrey Epstein and Geelay Maxwell since
you're seventeen years old. Now add many years of this.

(26:07):
You know this hustle that is just this loop of hideousness.
If what we're reading is accurate. In some ways, some
maybe she saw that as something loving to be said
to them, or that she was somehow being accepted, or
she was going to get you know, privileged to be
out of here. She was going to become a professional messuse.

(26:29):
I also think part of their stick was also promising
lots of big things as a payoff. You know, just
hang in there, nobody will ever know, and you'll get this,
And that's sort of that's kind of the playbook a
little bit. But yeah, it is a shocking allegation. I
don't I don't really know what to make of it.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Wow, No, not at all.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
But for anyone who is within earshot and needs assistance
and is in a position where they feel like they
cannot get out, you can call the National Human Trafficking Hotline.
The number is eight eight eight three seven three seven
eight eight eight. It is available twenty four hours a day,
seven days a week, in more than two hundred languages.

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All the calls are confidential. Again eight eight eight three
seven three seven eight eight eight. So we put that
out there, should it possibly be of any help to
anybody because help is out there.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Help is out there, and there are blessings around the corner,
So hang in. And you know, interesting, we thought that number,
we had heard this yesterday, that that that hotline number
is often placed on papers in bathrooms, in airport, in bars,
throughout the country, all over.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Interesting is that when I flew when I flew to.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
Malaysia, I stopped in Qatar, and it was in all
the bathrooms in Qatar, And when I landed in Malaysia,
it was in all the bathrooms there too, and well
obviously in the in the States as well. I was
very happy to see that. I was very happy to
see that it's everywhere.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
It's everywhere.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
And I also think that's an example of it's everywhere.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, it's every where.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I think those posters are just up because people really
want to put paper in bathrooms throughout the world. Honestly,
the fact that that's so prevalent, I also think speaks
to a very large operation. It is the financial This
is the win for so many financially. Sex trafficking is
a business internationally that is unmeasured in terms of the

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financial gain, and that's why it's important that we know
about it. The fact that that's in bathrooms and airports
around the world because girls are being taken to places
that they can't get home from and they don't have
a cell phone and they don't know who to call.
You go to that bathroom and you ask to borrow
a phone, and you call that hotline, and that's can

(28:55):
you imagine, just like you know, for a perspective check right,
like all alone in.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
The world, must you feel?

Speaker 5 (29:02):
I promise so that any woman approaches me in the
bathroom asking me to borrow my phone, I'm going to
give it to you, right same, I promise, And I
think any woman would also say the same.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Latform in the ladies bathroom line, no matter where you are,
we're also your soldiers, thunder right, like we're like, honey,
you have the toilet paper on your shoeld I'm gonna
comb your hair, that dress, that skirt is an untalked correctly,
like you go out there and get them. So imagine
someone in crisis relying on that same group of female

(29:37):
soldiers and men.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
By the way, but like the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Line for ladies is a whole other things, you know,
you it is, it is sacred shared space, So hats
off for those who are working that hotline.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
Wow, hat's office, right, and they are real experts and
know how to keep things really discreete and even I
was on their website yesterday and if if you go
to the website, there's a big button that says exit
quickly and it literally pops it off the screen. Should
someone should you need to not make it visual that
you were on the website.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
So wow, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
And listen, we are turning the vibes around. I am
putting on my weighted vest as we speak. Ladies, we're
getting a lot of talkbacks for that. It's talk back Tuesday,
and we want to hear from you, So let's go
straight to one.

Speaker 9 (30:26):
All right, Hi, ladies, is Alexi from Fort Worth, Texas.
I was just listening and it clicked that I have
never really seen y'all and I was just curious to all,
what ever consider doing a live recording of your show.
I was just listening to I'm getting caught up. I'm
a little behind, but I was listening to the segment
We're y'all talking about how you do your make under

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throughout the show, and I kind of think we want
to be part of that like, you know, in the
evening we all get company, we listen to our true
crime tonight and yeah.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
LEXI amazing And I tell you, and this is not
indicative of a normal may you know the make unders
that we do. However, several weeks ago, I was leaving
on a late night flight and it was at the
end of a Thursday show. I left the room in
such a rush that when I came back on Sunday,

(31:17):
I had literally I had socks on the floor. I
had a card again on the like, I had literally
thrown my stuff as we were wrapping the show.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
It was just like, there is a real, real reason
that we haven't done any video. And that's the reason.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Why Courtney Armstrong it gets No, No, that's not the reason.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
It's because we all sort of, you know, we peel
it all off. That's what's so fun about it.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
And yeah, we get to kind of wipe off the
well who wears eyeshadow anymore?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
But kind of, I mean.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Whatever, you know, all the things that we do to
put our arm were on all day. By the end
of the show we are bare faced and you know,
exercise crow.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
So where will there be a recording of it? Anytime soon.
Please give us over my dead.

Speaker 8 (32:11):
All right.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
So I'm like taking off my eyelash clusters, I'm doing
my medicue wand I'm you know, I'm wearing a red hat,
electric red hair hat. Before the show.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
You're supposed to promote generous amounts of hair growth. Oh
so yeah, we'll see how that tracks. But yeah, you know,
it's a real vision. So I think we're all down
to let you see the raw. But you have to
be on the same program.

Speaker 10 (32:37):
You have to be in it.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah, exactly. Let's go to another talk back. What have
we got, ladies?

Speaker 8 (32:47):
Did you hear I'm walking and listening to last night's show?

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Of course you are.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
So you're speaking about wondering why women are so into
true current empathy is definitely a reason.

Speaker 8 (32:59):
And also because we're fixers.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
We like to fix things.

Speaker 8 (33:03):
We like to know that things are fixed. Yeah, it's
just in our DNA.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, it's so true.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
And by the way, maybe we're a little less likely
to try to fix things in our own like messy
worlds when we can like look at others and fix
it again in retrospect, we're like, oh, I oh, that's
the left turn. I shouldn't take I empathetically know that
for myself next time, you know.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
We learn through each other stories. I totally agree.

Speaker 6 (33:27):
Mm hmm, No, I think there's absolutely a lot of
a lot of truth to that.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
I definitely agree.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
And sometimes, like I feel like I get too into it,
you know, like it's really important to take a step
back and go, Okay, I need to not be so empathetic.
I need to take a step back. I don't want to,
you know, take on all these emotions. You have to
protect yourself a little bit, right, I mean, I think
as women, I think you're right, we do want to
be fixers. And I think sometimes when you're in the genre,

(33:56):
you can take on a lot of that pain a
little bit just being an empathetic person. And it's really
important to remind yourself that you are not the story.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
You know, You're not this is you know, you have.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
To kind of take a step back, and so I
have to remind myself of that often.

Speaker 10 (34:13):
I wonder is it different for men who like it,
like for me, like I enjoyed, because it's almost like
a puzzle in some cases that I'm trying to solve,
and I don't know if it's a whole different attitude
that men versus women. But for me, I look at
it from the angle of like, how can we fix that?
What is the not fix it? As much as like,
what's the solution to this problem? How did it get

(34:34):
to this? I think maybe that's why I like Brian's
case resonates, so I'm like, what why did he do this?
Like I want to understand it. I want to try
to wrap my head around it.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
That's so weird, it goes so wrong, right, Yeah, and
when you spot the boogeyman in your real world, I
totally agree, And I think we're everyone men and women
were all empathetic ging and I do think that's why
true crime we're all leaning in on it is not
for the crime, but for the truth a little bit
if we were splitting words.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
So yeah, awesome, take that.

Speaker 10 (35:04):
It's in a great top back, right that we tick
the best ones out of our arty.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Absolutely, let's grab another one.

Speaker 11 (35:11):
Hey again, this is Jeff from Connecticut. I can't believe
I'm calling in to discuss the Mark Sanchez case. He
was an amazing quarterback in the New York market and
when I heard he got stabbed, I was wondering Oh
my god, who did this? And are they going to
catch him? And now I hear that he's the one
who got arrested and he was the aggressor and has
alcohol problems. It's just really concerning and amazing, and I'm

(35:34):
going to follow this case.

Speaker 8 (35:35):
I'd like to hear what you think about it.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Jeff.

Speaker 6 (35:40):
I feel like we're buddies from the Nutmeg State since
I's been a hunk of my life in Connecticute. It
seems like he has gotten Mark Sanchez has gotten himself
into quite a bit of a mess. As you said,
he was a former NFL quarterback now Fox Sports analyst,
and he is set to stand trial. This is new

(36:03):
information on December eleventh of this year, so two months
and that's gonna happen in Marion County, Indiana.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
But honestly, you know, it's it's on video. It's it's
a tough it's a tough situation.

Speaker 6 (36:18):
He's facing felony battery, three mister misdemeanor charges from an
altercation he ad with this almost seventy year old truck driver,
this poor man, Perry Toll. So, I mean, I don't know,
what do you guys think, how good or bad does
it look for Mark Sentiez.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
I don't think it's looking too good for Mark Sandras
looks really bad.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
I think that I think that there's probably going to
be some sort of you know, leniency from you know,
the judge of some kind, you know, if he goes
into you know, rehabilitation or you know, something like that,
which obviously, you know, everybody wants him to be well, right,
you know, we don't want this man to suffer with
any kind of addiction. But it's looking that way right

(36:58):
right now. We don't know for sure, but it's looking
that way. But he still has a civil suit to face,
you know, and there's not going to be any leniency there.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Mark Sanchez had just stayed home that night, right right.
If this this was like one too many on a
Tuesday night, it might not have been Tuesday night, but
it was like a random It was random, yeah, if.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
You just wasn't there.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
And the escalation, I mean, because the incident, which is
on surveillance, Sanchez climbed. If what is on it was true,
Sanchez climbed into this guy's truck without permission, blocked off
his cell phone and shoved him. And then in response,
then it escalated and this man in self defense Pepper

(37:45):
sprayed him and stabbed Sanchez. I mean, how quick, like
you said, had you just stayed home?

Speaker 10 (37:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
See the way, if he's struggling with whether it's drug
abuse or alcohol abuse, I don't know that, you know, right,
you know, maybe this is the beginning for him and
not the end, right, and that's the.

Speaker 10 (38:04):
Whole right, you know how During our show sometimes we'll
ask our audience, do you guys have an answer to
something somebody wrote to us regarding this case, and they
have an answer to a question we asked. So it's
a DM but it's a little longer, so bear with me. Hey, guys,
definitely from void. Last night you were talking Mark Sanchez
about possibly being drugged and if the hospital would test

(38:26):
for it. Well, I'm a medical laboratory scientist, the professional
performing the testing you're wondering about. In my twenty seven
years of experience at hospitals, we have a standard panel
that automatically gets ordered upon arrival. Generally it's a rainbow
of tubes that are drawn. No, a doctor won't wait
hours to do the alcohol testing. It's important that doctors

(38:47):
have all the pertinent information to treat the patient asap,
and testing can be added on after as long as
we have a sample to add to it. So in
some cases, the medical examiner may even request we turn
over any samples were drawn for them to use. I
work at a Level one trauma center in Detroit. My
specialties in blood banking, which is providing safe blood products

(39:07):
for transfusion. So it's not as simple as give me
a unit of your own negative. So there's one of
our questions.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Thank you so much for that, Stefanie. What a hard
job that is? What a great talk back or am
I should say? But drawn serious? I loved that all day.

Speaker 10 (39:24):
Many yeh, I love our audience. Listen. I was born
there and I.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Grew up there.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Yeah, you already know from I grew up in Detroit
and moved to California when I was ten.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
I was born, I was born in Detroit. Yeah. Fun O.
The sas of Detroit Eminem as well. Are you absolutely
a big Eminem fan? Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (39:47):
He has a he has a little spaghetti stand called
Mom Spaghetti.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yep. But it's a walk up window. It's very it's
kind of like a drive through. It's walk up. Sounds
so delicious right now. It's not very good.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Well, it's food isn't very good.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
No, what I ordered, I don't It's just spaghetti like
garlic bread. Oh right now, I don't want Eminem to
come after me.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
So, yeah, we love Eminem. Who does love Eminem? I
know who doesn't?

Speaker 6 (40:21):
Well, listen, way in, what do you think of Eminem?
This is true crime tonight, give us a call. We're
at eighty eight three one Crime. It's Talkback Tuesday. I'm Courtney.
I'm here with Buddy Movin and Stephanie Leidecker and we're
honestly talking about whatever you are putting in front of us.
It had been Mark Sanchez, and now we have another
talkback to go to.

Speaker 12 (40:42):
Hi, guys, this is producer Ava And regarding Mark Sanchez,
I think you guys are being way too generous with him,
suggesting that maybe he was acting violent because he was drugged.
And the reason I think that is because after the
news became public, his ex and the mother of his
child posted quote sadly. None of this is surprising to me.
I have always been concerned for my son's safety and

(41:05):
what he is exposed to, So I think that this
is the real hymn.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
Yeah, That's why I said, you know, I think that
we're going to learn that, you know, this is what
the problem was, and he's going to go and get treatment,
and the judge is going to show him some leniency
and the cycle continues, or maybe it stops.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
That doesn't stop though, is the damages that this man
who is the victim has irreversible facial damage apparently deformed,
has a deformed face did you see.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
As a result of this, and looks like he was
in traction?

Speaker 2 (41:40):
He wasn't, but I'm not a trauma nurse, but you know,
the photographs of him in the hospital were astounding, horrifying.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
Horrifying because Mark Sanchez took the knife from him and
started attacking it. Like there's some confusion with that, but yeah,
the guy is defending himself in this called truck and
gets a knife out and Mark Sanchez basically grabs it
from him and starts using it on him.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
By the way, Mark Sanchez is an NFL former NFL star.
He's like one hundred thousand feet tall too. He's a
big hand. If you see him doing the sprints in
the back alley, he's in like epic shape. You know,
he's scattered out of his mind? Is that drunk? Is
he drunk?

Speaker 9 (42:24):
Like?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Why was he doing that? That was just this is
a crazy night. He's going to have to work through this.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
But we want when I get drunk, I want to
go to sleep. I'm not doing sprints.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
You don't want to dance on a table with me?
Come on? What kind of that is that? Very you
are smipy right now?

Speaker 10 (42:39):
There is?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Come on, I go dance till sunrise.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
I don't really drink, so like when I have a drink,
it's nack. I'm like, oh, it's nacking because I'm like, huh,
I'm not doing sprints, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I don't think it's I don't think.

Speaker 10 (42:54):
There's no running around. It's a more.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Relaxed there's no layer of shade on your head. Come on, no, yeah,
but I'm I don't do any We got come on
on the table off right?

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Any table any day?

Speaker 13 (43:10):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Close the joint down, Yes, and I'll be right there too. Body,
we will coerce you.

Speaker 10 (43:20):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yes, she's sneezing right now. Sneeze. I hated herself in
a row. Oh my goodness, Todd, do we have time
for one more? Talk? Back on this Tuesday, we.

Speaker 10 (43:33):
Do Let's go for it.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Hi.

Speaker 13 (43:35):
My name is Jordan. I am a listener from Arizona,
and I just wanted to call in and tell you
guys that your show is something I listened to every day.
It works, and it's the only kind of news that
I can have in my life because you guys put
this beautiful filter of humanity on it and that's the
only way I can consume news. I also wanted to say,

(43:58):
just Courtney's laugh I could listen to on repeat. It
is just I love you all to death, but there's
something about Courtney's laugh I just had to point out
makes my day. Also, she said something some quote that
was like do good or be good at it or
something like that, and I can't remember exactly how it was,
but I just absolutely loved it, and I've never heard
it before. So if she could say that one more

(44:19):
time so I don't bumble it, I would love it.
Thank you guys for being wonderful. I can't wait to
have the next shelf.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Ah so funny, Qritney, you have your greatest laugh ever
love her life.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Oh my gosh, you guys, I'm blushing so hard.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
That was the kindest thing really is, and it's be
good or be good at it, and those are words.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
For a life. That's just one of my favorite favorite sayings.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
Yeah, first time I heard it, I was on a flight,
a Southwest flight from Los Angeles to Las Vegas, which, yeah.

Speaker 10 (44:55):
What's the flight. The pilot didn't say that.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
Yes he did, we landed a that we landed and
Vegas be good or be good at it?

Speaker 3 (45:03):
And I was like, sir, that that is my mancher
for life. Now I love it. But yeah, like I
don't like to our talkback.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
I can't even I can't even listen to the news
anymore because it's like, you know, so I get it.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
Listening to people who are like not robotic and whatnot
in telling things is probably how I would digest the
news now. But yeah, but thank you for the talkback.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
We were really really nice. Yeah, it was really good
to the news all day. So that's probably why I'm
always off the rail.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
We are so glad that you've been listening. If you've
missed any of the show, catch it as a podcast
and we will.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Be right back talk back Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
You're listening to True Crime tonight, stay with us Welcome
back to True Crime tonight an iHeart Radio. We've been
talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

(46:06):
with Courtney Armstrong and Body.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Move in and listen.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
If you've missed any of the first hour, you can
always catch us after the show as a podcast. Please
do and leave us a talk back because listen, it's
talkback Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Everyone.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
It is my personal favorite night of the week. So,
like Body, I mean, we get very excited by it.
I'm totally sure I do. I like, it really is
so exciting. It's my favorite show because it's not we
just talk, you know, we don't. We don't have an agenda, right,
like of the plases that we're going to be talking about.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
It's just us talking.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
So this is like us pretty much unfiltered, Welcome to
the kitchen table, everybody, right exactly?

Speaker 14 (46:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
So I think that's like a cup of coffee or
a cocktail or a glass of water or do some
squats squad.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
So we're doing this, we're doing a new thing where Okay,
so Eva emailed me, all right, and she's our she's
one of our producers here, and she emailed me and
she said, you can't tell Courtney and Stephanie what this is.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
This is like a surprise, but you need to read this.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
And so I'm going to read something that Courtney and
Stephanie don't know anything about, and then They're going to
turn This is a little surprise.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
It's like a little it's like a little like.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
The spot.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
Okay, okay, so here it is. This is a d M.
It's a DM and it's from Kate. Okay, and Kate
loves Kate. So I feel better already, you do?

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Okay? Good?

Speaker 14 (47:27):
I do?

Speaker 3 (47:27):
I love a Kate. I love Kate, she.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
Said, Kate, what is going on behind the scenes with
the fall of Ditty and the fall of Epstein having
similar timing?

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Is there an.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
Army of good people blowing whistles behind the scenes, or
maybe a power battle behind the scenes in the trafficking
world and they're taking each other's systems down?

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Wait? What that is? That is hardly a fun little DM?
I say, what's fun? I thought you were going to
talk about face masks. I say it.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Don't get me started, by the way. The face mask aside,
but I do would want the face mask recommendations because
I am feeling dry in my hands and cuticles are
feeling it as the fall kicks in. Do I think
the system is busting down?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
I do. I think that they're at a very high level.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
The system is being reorganized or re I don't know
about reorganized.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
I don't know enough to know that.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
But I think what is happening in the dark is
coming out, and I think the light is going to
win good.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
I hope you're right.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
It's like a heavy thought because it is interesting, but
it does feel like I know that sounded so esoteric
and vomers but you know what I mean, Like, I think, like, yeah,
enough is enough one It just takes one person.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
It's like the ultimate.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Whistleblower story, right, Like you have one person and it
ticks over and then it ticks over and listen, we've
made documentaries about trafficking.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
It's important. It's bigger than we think.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
It is closer than we think because it happens in
such silence, and it's it's brushed away with such high
profile people. So I do think the Epstein and Diddy
cases were maybe emblematic of what's kind of happening real
time all the time, and maybe it's allowed us to

(49:17):
sort of see things with you.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Know, a clearer vision.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
Yeah, maybe, well, thank you for that, DMP. So I
think that one was probably for Stephanie was so yeah,
let's do that. Let's try to guess who.

Speaker 10 (49:31):
Was for once them.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Okay, okay, okay, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Courtney's a coortant answer because I know she has an
opinion on this as well.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
Okay, so this is from as well producer Ava.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
And I think written from behind the scenes, and I
think this is like the sausage is.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Being made live that grinder. Beth thinks.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
The interesting thing about the BK selfies, she says for me,
is that before the murders, all of him he's doing stuff, hiking, sports, game,
visiting places like pretty normal. Quote, I'm documenting myself doing
this thing. After the murders, all of them are just
like him around the house in the car, like he
was just looking at himself, wanting to see himself.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Hmmm, ladies thoughts. Yeah, and she's right, she's right.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
You know, we had mentioned when we were analyzing those
selfies that it looked like he was maybe taking photos
for like a dating website or something. Initially, right, he
was hiking, he was doing the thumbs up, he was
out he was, you know, at restaurants. You know, it
looked to be he was living a normal life, and
then after the murder's're right, he's at home. Everything's at home,

(50:40):
everything is in the car, at home, at his mom's. So, yeah,
that's a really good observation. I'm going to guess that
moment was for me.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I thank you figured that that was a very well
put statement, though it was at CM, which was see himself?
Was it the time that after the murders that he
really wanted to quote see himself?

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Right?

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Like you're taking photographs to see if maybe post do
horrible act, do I look different? Do I see myself?
Because this is a guy that seems like he was
lost in the really worst way.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
And in a lot of those two and you know,
it's something that I kind of still kind of obsess
about a little bit admittedly unfortunately. Is you know this
hand placement that he had on his head after the
murderers where he's kind of pulling his hair back. Maybe
he is really looking at himself, you know, for the
first time, maybe even you know, maybe maybe this did

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something to him and there's no turning back, or it
thinks it or he thinks it did. Yeah, thank you
for that.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
DM.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
That's a heavy one. I'm going to throw this one out.
I'm curious you will be able to guess who this
is for.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Again.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
This is from Hin into the scenes from our associate
producer Ava Anta, who have secretly texted and emailed this
to me. So was make sure you guys know and
I was told specifically not to share this prior to
the show. This is also from Kate. We have Kate twice.
This seems questionable. Another Kate quote. Are you still working

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on any investigations or searches like you did for don't
f with?

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Who could that be for? Who could it be for?
I don't know, Kate. This is a tough riddle. So, Boddy,
are you you know it's interesting? That's an interesting question.
I don't talk about that stuff.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
If I am working on something, you're not going to
know about it until it's done. And the reason I
don't talk about this stuff is because I really believe
in ethical slew thing And if I talk about like
anything that I'm looking into, then number one, the person
is alerted. Number Two, I'm giving potential dangerous information about
somebody to the public. You know, I kind of do

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everything internally and keep it very quiet. But yeah, you know,
maybe at some point we could talk about some of
the other cases that I did work on that have
been adjudicated and whatnot that are you know, finished and whatnot.
But as of right this moment, I can't.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I don't want. I don't talk about it for a reason.

Speaker 6 (53:09):
Yeah, and I hope that makes sense. Of course it does. Yeah,
you do have it when it's finished. And those are
all wonderful rationales to not. This is true Crime tonight.
We'd love to hear what's your rationales for life, or
for studying, or for any of the above.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Give us a call.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
We're at eighty eight three one Crime and we have
Crocker on the lines, who is just called in.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
No, Hi, Cracker, welcome to the show. What's your question?

Speaker 8 (53:37):
Hi?

Speaker 13 (53:38):
Hi, It's Jess Crocker from Newfoundland.

Speaker 15 (53:40):
Hy day, yay, and I have my best friend.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Here double trouble.

Speaker 16 (53:47):
She actually in Newfoundland time. She's been forty now for
thirty eight minutes, over the hill.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Over the hill, all the hill, just getting started to
baby Wow, Happy fortieth right, happy four.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
And we're never up this late.

Speaker 17 (54:06):
Call her past nine o'clock.

Speaker 16 (54:08):
She's like I'm in bed, like I'm not answering.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
No, I'm the same.

Speaker 17 (54:12):
So we're up now. It's twelve thirty eight pm news Orlanti.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Well, Happy birthday, Happy day.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
You know my forties were literally the best time in
my life.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
So welcome to the best time of your life. To
your best friend.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
What's her name, Melanie, Melanie, Happy fortieth birthday from all
of us.

Speaker 16 (54:30):
At you don't say anything, she's too shy, Melanie.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Right here you were in a safe room. You're doing
fabulous forty. Please go and dance on a table in
our honor.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Please, Stephanie really wants somebody dance on the table. I
beg you right before I take every we were.

Speaker 16 (54:50):
Talking, oh sorry, we were talking about the self care stuff.

Speaker 18 (54:55):
And we aren't actually having a few drinks in my
hot tub and.

Speaker 16 (55:01):
Listen to true crime.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
We were actually watching some documentaries. And then I was like, oh,
true Crime tonight is not live and she's never listened live,
and I said, we got to call in.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
Absolutely, We're so glad you did. I want to be
in a hot tub with a glass of wine. I know,
what a great way to spend a birthday.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
And it's like the Chris fall here, like, come on,
I'd love that.

Speaker 17 (55:21):
Yeah, and it's really crispy and really folly up here,
did you guys hear?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Can you do me a favor? Can you say sorry again?

Speaker 13 (55:29):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (55:30):
I love it so cute.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Sorry, I love the accent where we should all be
living in the heads, right in the hot tub with
a class of wine, celebrating a birthday with your best friend.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Perfect, perfect, right.

Speaker 17 (55:43):
It's perfect and true crime.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
And true crime. So care true crime and hot tubs.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Let's do it.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
Thank you so much for the called Jess. We really
and have your birthday to your friend Melanie. We have
another talk about.

Speaker 18 (55:54):
Huh Hey, ladies, is a from Canada. I just listen
to your Sunday episode and it was awesome and left
me leaving with a nice, warm and fuzzy feeling to
start off my Monday morning because I look to you
guys the next day. I just want to say, since
I started listening to you guys, feel like you've helped
me in my life, Like even just adding the way

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to best just helped me with my posture. And you
guys give me so much joy and laugh listening to
and Stephanie, I think you should have hard launch getting
your dog. Anyways, can't wait to listen to you tomorrow morning.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Back as soon as you mentioned my goodness, you should
have seen Stephanie's face.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
It just lit up. It lit up. Oh what stuff?
You really should I really should consider it like it's
time too, hap and I have said different before. For Stephanie.
I have said it is not time. It was like, unwell,
you know it's just heard. But it's a thing he

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went through. I would say a devastation.

Speaker 10 (57:03):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
I feel like for that. I didn't, of course, not
that what That's what happens to a human. I was.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
I didn't grow up with a ton of pets and
all of that. So yeah, no Dodger up in heaven,
never d in the World series, right, the Dodgers Dodger.
This is we got Dodger. That's why his name was Dodger.
And this is a sign from Dodger. I'm telling you
he wants you to love another dog.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
To hard launch the idea of another dog.

Speaker 10 (57:33):
That and second holiday, I can't think of anything more
perfect than a little cute dog around the holiday by
the Christmas tree.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Can imagine pajamas.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
I love Dodgers so much, and you know, he was
always in my lap and I haven't been slept since
because he's a sleep on my shoulder. But kind of
he got out of the house and even though I
had locked the door, there were those winds, and I
think I'd blame myself. I don't know. I've so afraid
that I don't know somewhere every time I get excited,
I like think back and say, oh no.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
Yeah, it's hard to love again, right, It's hard to
have that kind of pure love for, you know, a pet.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Because when you think you have no more love to give, though,
you get yourself a dog, a cat, oh my goodness,
or a pet. And if any kind look at Rita.
I mean, we know you guys have dogs beyond and
oh cat day. So there is so truth, so much
truth to that be I had so much.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
I want a nice dog. I need someone to just
going to be like.

Speaker 10 (58:31):
Low energy, cute.

Speaker 6 (58:33):
Yeah, no puppy, you know, some couch potato chilling out.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
You know, I wanted to low.

Speaker 11 (58:39):
I wanted a low energy cat when I got Rita,
and she's pretty high energy.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
But it's like, you know, this was the cat that
was ordained to me, and I love this crazy cat.
So we love your crazy cat too, but you do
and listen. That is a great thought for whatever it's worth. Like,
for some reason of my social media, dogs keep popping up,
so I don't know, And that's our talk.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
The Dodgers are in the World Series.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
It's a sign. Just had this arrest in the Palisades.
Oh my goodness, right there's and dogs are pumping up
on your on your algorithm.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
It's time. It is a sign from above.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Well, you know, what kind of a puppy is the cutest, coziest,
laziest little nugget that just wants to watch Bravo and
talk about crime all day?

Speaker 3 (59:30):
What kind of pet does that cleander up? And I
was gonna say, I'll sign that job. I will be
that dog.

Speaker 6 (59:39):
Okay, a couple of bowls of food put right in
front of my face, I don't care, like.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
No shame, I'll put it off. It's a very sweet thought.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
So yeah, well landed, you know hard launch herd And yeah,
I felt that in my heart.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Wow, I love that we have time for one more.

Speaker 10 (01:00:02):
I think for you we might have more. Let's see
if we can squeeze one more real quick.

Speaker 8 (01:00:06):
Hey, this is Julie. To pamper myself and take care
of my well being. I'll go to a sound bath,
which if you've never been before, it uses singing bowls
and other instruments to create an immersive century experience that
just help reduce stress, anxiety, and negative moods and creates
kind of an inner piece. Then I go home and
have a nice cup of hot tea and read a
mystery book and I feel great all week.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 19 (01:00:29):
Sounds familiar with I've heard of this well body coming
up at the top of the next segment, we will
let you know what a sound bath is.

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
This goes for you and everyone else. We have that
and more. It's talked about roulette. Sam and Adam are
going loose true Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Lydecker here with
Courtney Body and Oh we have Taha, Sam and Adam
in the house for talkback Tuesdays, and we have a
caller on the line.

Speaker 20 (01:01:13):
Hi, ladies, this is Sarah from Michigan. I just wanted
to compliment Sheena Robinson. I have been listening since she
was first on your show. And I love that she's
getting together with other people that have had the same
experiences as her and helping others through it. But she's
so humble. It's insane, you guys. She is so humble.
And also she has gotten so much better at speaking

(01:01:36):
too when she comes on. I really enjoy when she's on.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
Yeah, she's something else, right, like the trauma that that
poor woman has been through and to be able to
want to turn that around into actionable like legislation and
working with the senator like pain into power. Yeah, she's remarkable.
She really is remarkable. And you know, of course we
love her here, We absolutely love her.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Here force of but nature.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
And by the way, I think she's so significant too,
and we couldn't agree with you more. And this particular
time that she was here really stuck with us also
in a way because you're we're on this this healing
journey with her, right, So what is the whole saying?
You know, hurt people, hurt people, but healing people heal people, right,

(01:02:21):
So you know, even just her having the wherewithal and
by the way, like nobody needs a mother's day like
massage and self care, like she needs to be pampered
for a hot minute in ways that can't be described.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
But she won't do it. No, we're going to have
to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
Yeah, and that's what I mean, Like she is a
major Yeah, that is so true.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
That actually because she's so in it and it's really
you kind of you walk away really inspired, and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
There's a there's a story and I kind of want
to tell it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
And and Courtney probably knows this because it's from our
favorite show, The West Wing. So really quick, it's very quick,
but it's important. There's a man and he falls in
this hole. Okay, and he's down in this hole and
he's like, oh my god, how am I going to
get out of here? And a priest walks by and
the guy goes, hey, priest, can you get me out
of here?

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Father? Help me out?

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
And the father writes a prayer and throws it in
the hole and walks away, and the guy's like, how
am I going to get out of here?

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Well? And then a doctor walks by, Hey, doctor, get
me out of here. What am I going to do?

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Get me out of here? The doctor writes a prescription,
throws it in the hole, and leaves. Finally, this guy's
friend walks and the friend He's like, hey, pal, get
me out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
I'm in this hole.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
And the friend goes, oh my gosh, and he jumps
in the hole and the guy, our guy, he goes,
what are.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
You doing now?

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
We're both stuck down here, And the friend says, yeah,
but I've been here before and I know the way out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
And I feel that, and I feel that with Sheena.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
You know, I didn't mean to make you cry, Steph.
I'm sorry. Dogs are running in her head right of
the old dogs, new dogs.

Speaker 10 (01:04:07):
That's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
The point of it is it takes a village.

Speaker 10 (01:04:12):
I love that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
That is beautiful story. I know I like it too.
But yes, we agree. We love her. She's a friend
of the show and we want nothing but the best
for her. But I understand Ed's audio might be working.
He might be back, is back.

Speaker 10 (01:04:25):
Ed.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
We almost lost you there, We lost you for a second.
Wilcome back.

Speaker 14 (01:04:32):
I yes, great to be here. I love you people.
Oh I hate it when Thursday it ends and I
have to wait some.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
O.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
ED.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
We appreciate that.

Speaker 14 (01:04:46):
At any rate. I just wanted to ask you if
you guys have noticed the one sitting next to Courtney
that she's been taking a lot of days off, sometimes weeks,
either allegedly allegedly allegedly going to see your mother or

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taking a trip you know, here or there, and she
knows I was, I'm referring to the heist in France,
and I'm thinking that she knows how to recook the
diamonds from the crown so that they can't to and U.

Speaker 10 (01:05:36):
On my day.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
You are going to get into that load of her
life depended on it because she's in a weighted vest
a't a thousand pounds and any rate.

Speaker 14 (01:05:47):
You know. I was just wondering if you guys have
noticed or you know, because she probably knows how to
get a fake uh transport or a for flying of
the country.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Wow, well you know, listen, thank you for the off.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
And man, by the way, if I had some if
she has sapphires in those pockets to cough them up.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
So Fortney took a day off and apparently broke into
the love.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Wow, I lately, why did you bring me an emerald?
I just told you, I want to know. We all
she was getting us crowns.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
All of us were going to get a crowd, that's right,
But that one got lost in the wash.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
I know it's going to be true Crown tonight. I know,
true Crown. Do we have another?

Speaker 10 (01:06:39):
Do we have?

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
That was awesome?

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Okay? Ed was lovely to hear from you. And by
the way, we have eyes on Courtney right now. All
of us are here, we are accounted for. I'm weird
not stealing any Joel jewels.

Speaker 10 (01:06:51):
She's not wearing any diamonds tonight, So okay, how about
we go to another talk back?

Speaker 17 (01:06:55):
Hey, ladies Fleet from Canada. I was really captivating with
the Amy Bradley Netflix period, but I was wondering if
you think that public attention actually might cause her harm
if she has alone, because if someone took her years ago,
would if they now be trying to hide her and

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couldn't that now make her unsafe? I really hope they
signed her alive and she comes back. Anyways, looking forward
to listening to you tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
By Ainsley.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
You know, you have such a way of taking words
out of my mouth that I'm afraid to say. Okay,
but yes, I do think that it's possible that if
she is alive and living somewhere, that the attention listen
as somebody who's been in a documentary on Netflix. The
amount of eyes that are on you after these kinds

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of things come out are intense. I was on Facebook
and I would see photos of me from people I
don't know taking photos of me grocery shopping and sounds
so upset.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
It is.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
It's very weird, or at a hockey game eating a
hot dog, like just weird things.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
And I saw her today at the grocery store.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
Just so, My point in bringing all this up is
that it's just a lot of attention, especially from these
big streaming networks, right So, yeah, I do think that's
possible one hundred percent, But I feel at this point
the family is probably desperate for information and are going
to use whatever means necessary to get the word out
that she's been missing, you know what I mean, maybe

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not even realizing the amount of tension it's gonna it's
gonna put on them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Because I do alternative there, because that's a tough spot
and that we ask ourselves excuse me this a lot,
which is if you if you scream from the rooftops
that this is happening and that help is needed. Yes,
that's also putting a spotlight, which pulds potentially make the
situation worse for someone.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
I don't know the answer there. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
If it were me, I would want the documentary made
about me immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Yeah, I would do.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
If I was her family, I would do the same thing.
I don't think they did anything wrong. I think it's
worth the risk, you know I do. That's just my
take on it, though.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
I think it absolutely is worth the risk.

Speaker 6 (01:09:14):
And I mean, good grief, what are we going back
twenty five thirty?

Speaker 10 (01:09:18):
At least?

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
I still feel like that time is like ten years ago.
I think it was nineteen eighty four, right, No, I know,
but I feel like nineteen eighty four. I was like
a sophomore high school. It is ten years ago. What
are you talking about? Thirty years? It's a week lost.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
It's when we're on a lunar eclipse or something. Isn't
there a special lunar event happening tonight?

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
I think? Why movies? There's two moons? Is with two moons?

Speaker 11 (01:09:40):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
Yeah, there's like an asteroid that we're getting in our
orbit or something. Until twenty eighty three, we're going to
have like two moons. But it's like a yeah, are
you joking me?

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
I can't believe in some way.

Speaker 6 (01:09:51):
I literally can't believe I didn't know this because my
father in law.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Sends me all the moon because, as you could know,
was that relating when you were out resting all the diamonds?

Speaker 6 (01:10:01):
That's what I was dying on the phone with Ed.
I mean I was literally at dinner with my in law.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Sure the airport, I see, because now.

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
Body, this body is going to be laying my calendar
out with all the major crimes that are happening international.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Now we know why the weighted best you've been like
scaling the walls you've been this whole time, like Ocean's thirteen.
You're like Spider Man scaling the walls of the loop
back Ed, Ed is like, uh, something s fishy here?

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
I I just listen. Nothing gets my end Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
By the way, Courtney would be able to pull it
off though, And secondly, I guess what even worse, Ed,
I wouldn't tell who.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
You know if I had a feeling. Yeah, but can
we do another talk about let's.

Speaker 21 (01:10:53):
Hey, ladies, this is Sel from Florida. Than like a
month since I left to talk back, I'm wanted to
get out on Tuesday action. I wanted to know if
you're familiar with the.

Speaker 8 (01:11:01):
Chrystine Krue case.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
It was the.

Speaker 21 (01:11:04):
Premiere of Dateline and also coincidentally twenty twenty the same story.
But it is right along the lines with the whole
like catfishing and stalking and someone close being the murderer,
like and it was a husband.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
But I am just stayed away.

Speaker 10 (01:11:21):
Oh, I know, she revealed a little bit. Well, I
cheated and I did a little research on this one before,
so I can fill us in on just a stage.
And yeah, So Christy Krug she's a mother of three
and an engineer from Bloomfield, Colorado. She was brutally murdered
in her garage on December fourteenth, twenty twenty three, after
months of escalating digital stalking and surveillance. For over ten weeks,

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Christie was harassed by someone posing as a former boyfriend,
sending explicit threatening messages and despite all her reports, everything
was left in the dark. Authorities were left in the dark.
So that's just the surface of that story. But basically,
I don't want to give away too much because it
sounds like it's something we might cover. She gave away
a little bit of it now already, but I think

(01:12:05):
it's a case that is intriguing and that if you
guys are interested, it could be something we can dig into.
I'm always interested, body you might find this interesting. After
her death, urgent and urgent digital evidence revealed the IP
address behind the harassment led back to Oh, well, I'm
going to kind of give it away. I guess if
it's on dateline it led back to her. Should I

(01:12:27):
not say it?

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
I'm not going to say it.

Speaker 10 (01:12:30):
Led back to someone, and that's how they figured out
who it was.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
Okay, But the key here is is that she was
asking for help about this kind of stuff prior to
her death and it was ignored.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Is that right?

Speaker 10 (01:12:41):
That's that is correct, And that's the important.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Part, Right, that's the important part. I mean, obviously it's important.
She died, clearly, no question, but her please for help
fell on de waters.

Speaker 10 (01:12:53):
And that's that's It's all a tragedy, but that's one
of the more levels of tragedy to add to it.
So I think it's an important one to shed that light.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, I'm in.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
I'm atalist. Yeah, let's adit. Churlist to start to start
digging into for sure, I'm in. Thank you for that talkback,
because yeah, we're always looking for new you know, not
necessarily just like cases just because they're violent, because we
don't you know, that's not where we want to do.
We want to you know, dig into these things to
talk about change right and be better. And these kinds

(01:13:25):
of cases like this one that you know, she just
brought to us is the kind of case that can
maybe bring about change, right. And I don't know what
that and I don't know what that changes, whether it's
like new different stalking laws, legislation, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
I don't know what it looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
But it needs to get stood though in a better way,
because again, these restraining orders are oftentimes nothing, not that
you shouldn't get them, but of course it sometimes only
aggravates the situation. It's very hard to enforce how much
law enforcement needs to deploy every time there's an argument

(01:14:01):
with someone versus someone who's really in a dangerous situation
that is life threatening. And sometimes if you're in that situation,
it's hard to even know the line.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
So there's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
False alarms and then that's all part of the process
until it's a full alarm, right. So it's a complicated,
nuanced thing, and I do think it needs a real
closer look because it's you know, for victims, it's hard
to find help well.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
And I think, you know, in just hearing what Taha
said about you know, she was getting messages and text messages,
I'm guessing dms of some kind. I think there needs
to be some kind of tech rule that people can't
create these fake accounts and message people and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Like that should be something that's a good step.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
We literally need to start looking into like it's it's
getting absurd. People are getting hurt, and it's all, yeah,
I'm not into it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Well, listen, keep it here.

Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
For the rest of Talkback Tuesday, we are continuing with
talk Back Roulette. Sam and Adam are over the inbox entirely.
We have no idea what's coming next. I'm going to
be covering my tracks from ED, so be on the lookout.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Keep it here at your Crime Tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
And welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're
talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie here with
the Courtney and Body. This is the time of night
where we all lose our minds in the best way.
It's a little off the rails. We're just thinking, Taha
has the listen. It's the best and worst poker face.
We were just, you know, having a giggle. If Fortney

(01:15:42):
was doing a jewel heist and I knew it, especially
if it was a crown with me in mind, I
probably would never to the grave. And Taha, I think
you were like nodding, like you too, but you couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Your face it is the most expressive.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
It's like a cartoon character, almost like he's like, oh shoot,
there's trouble, and it is like it is the it
is so have you ever played poker?

Speaker 10 (01:16:07):
I have lost every time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
I was gonna say, I'll take you off your cash. Yeah,
I'm not great either.

Speaker 10 (01:16:13):
Earlier second I look at the cards like, you know, oh,
sad face, that's not a good hand orgy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
You are like an emoji.

Speaker 10 (01:16:20):
Yeah I wish I could change that. Yeah, if the
police investigated me about you robbing the loop, they would
know immediately. Oh yeah, I think I know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
A girl actually call ed here's his number, because you
know she was missing yesterday and she does love Sapphires,
and you know that would be so funny. But yeah,
that is the Sophie's choice. How about the love though
those guys. I mean, so far, no arrests. I know
who We're going to wild wild talk about Tuesday.

Speaker 15 (01:16:52):
Let's go to another Hi, ladies, I'm just calling in
regards to internet access and poth and every with kids,
I think also a big thing. Just while I was listening,
my thought of was that people will be like, oh,
it's not my kid or my kids like either too young.

(01:17:13):
Nobody's going to do that. And I just want to
bring up that there was a they made take Facebook
and like Instagram account for kids and hid photoshopped adults
into looking like kids just to try to catch creditors
online and everything like that, And in doing so, they

(01:17:36):
made a profile for I think it was like an
eight year old, and within minutes they had messages from
grown people asking about them and stuff like that. When
they were talking about their friends, there was like this
grown man asking if their friend was still in diapers.
So it is a harsh reality that I think a
lot of parents need to take into account. And as
someone who was an unrestricted access internet kid, my daughter

(01:18:01):
will now be having very strict access and I'm sure
she'll just like me for it. But I had grown
men messaging me as early as like eleven years old
when I was on my video games. So it is
a harsh reality, and I think being honest with kids
and making sure they're aware of those type of people
out here will also help them be a little bit

(01:18:23):
more understanding as to why you're being this way instead
of thinking it's only a privacy issue.

Speaker 13 (01:18:29):
Thanks so much.

Speaker 15 (01:18:29):
Sorry for the long talk, pick, but hope we all
have a wonderful night.

Speaker 5 (01:18:32):
Oh nothing to be sorry about. So this is my
favorite talk about night. Harsh reality. I love that phrase,
harsh reality. You're right, I often. I mean, it's kind
of one of the things that I talk about a
lot because I'm really passionate about internet safety for kids,
and you know, I'm like, if I had a kid,

(01:18:53):
I will, you know, because I don't have children, so
it's really easy for me to be that way, right,
But it is. It's a harsh reality that we're living in,
and I do think it's important to be honest with
the children about the reality of this world, right. I mean,
but what age do you start? I don't know those
are those are?

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I mean, we heard it last night from our caller
that it was aged seven, So you know, you can't
necessarily put the genie back in the bottle, But these
are conversations. By the way, this is so much easier
said than done, right, so I prescribe, Yeah, the conversation
is the armor.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
I think that's the case for everything.

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
Yeah, and even looking because you are so right of
once again the harsh reality as body points it out,
you know, and working on in cells, which we've been
spending a bunch of time on. This is not a
plug for it, but just the stuff of learn I mean,
eighty five percent of women and girls globally experienced some

(01:19:55):
form of online harassment or abuse. That's eighty five, that's right,
eight five out of one hundred. And also similar, I
was just reading up on a report similar to what
you're saying, and someone created several accounts for like twelve
year old boys and within one half an.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Hour, they as well were being targeted.

Speaker 6 (01:20:16):
They didn't put information out, but potential predators came to
them within a half an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
So what's the answer. It's terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
I The hiccup is also that you know, we're in
a COVID generation, the post COVID generation, so you know,
the kids are smarter than all adults, I know, like
they're really able to get around most of those safety measures.
As our talkback just said, right, good luck finding And
by the way, this is double sided. The downside is

(01:20:47):
there's more ad you know, access to you know, predators
and weirdos. The upside is the future will be bright
because there's this generation of smarty pants tech humans that
are just so advanced. So it is hard to of course,
you have to safeguard, but you know, kids are getting
smart enough to get around the safeguards.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Like you're kidding. Seven years old, you would have been
cracking in the system.

Speaker 5 (01:21:13):
Feel like this is like a billion dollar business waiting
to happen, like somebody that invents.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Something that actually works.

Speaker 10 (01:21:20):
Protection, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
Like protection because like protected. Oh shoot, I didn't think
about that, Steph. You was thinking you're always thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
I mean, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
That's the thing there the large right, you know, this
is how do you think all these traffickers? And again
I'm like, I don't get me back on my soapbox.
I know I was a downer and segment one. I'm
trying to, you know, shake it off, shake it off. However,
this is like I mean, we're hearing the reports about roadblocks,
for example, which you know for many that is gained.
I would never let my kids. That's what got most

(01:21:52):
of the kids through COVID. So now you're not allowed
to be on that because it is now you know,
can I say this, this is allegedly a X trafficking Yes,
it's a real hotbed. I thought that those safeguards, so
I think there's a reason that there are.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Coming down on them. Yeah, but what does that mean.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
DJ is coming down on all kinds of things. I
want that to be true. But like we see this
story here every night. You know, women are being trafficked left,
right and backward and boys, and of course this is
not just a gender thing, but it's like a real
market and I think one of the most important ways
they do that is through social media and tech.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
Well, you know what, this is well timed because today
Florida Attorney General led his roadblocks is a predator quote
breeding ground, an investigation open. Yeah, so this is a
new investigation today.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
By you think Instagram couldn't have put parental channels available sooner?
I mean again, nobody's watching TikTok anymore. For the dance
videos anyway, I don't even have it. I love the
dance videos, and by the way, I got a lot
of joy out of them at some point as well.
So this is not a judgment, but the reality is

(01:23:08):
it's being used for different things, and social media is
also a blueprint into your life, which makes it a
real easy access point for a predator. We cannot forget
that it went really far away from Hey, looking at
picks from your best friend from high school that you
haven't seen in twenty years. Oh my goodness, they had
a baby, they bought a house, they got a car. Okay,

(01:23:29):
then we saw the depression from that. Oh my god,
their life is better than my life. I get a
real kick out of seeing people that I grew up
with from home have like, you know, life moments. I'm
still in that like pocket. That's not the real world anymore.
They now add bots in artificial intelligence, and there's a
larger alcoholrythom business.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
It's cash.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Where is the money. It's the same question we had
in the first segment. You know, we talk about Virginia Goofrey,
and we get our at least I do get lost
in the sauce and the victims and the feelings and
all the stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Where's the money? It is a money train.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
They really the only conversation that really needs to be
followed with a fine tooth comb, which we're all ignoring
in any of the trafficking conversations.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
I'm on a soapbox. It's this cash. Follow the money, honestly,
and Roeblox is no exception.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
No, And we should get into that a little more,
you know, either tomorrow or later this week, but definitely
get into it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
And let's hit another talk back.

Speaker 22 (01:24:30):
Hi there, this is making import worth. And when you
were talking about Ellen Greenberg the other day, I did
not realize she had Ella's damost and I'm wondering if
that could be the source of the bruising that was
on her body. I have a friend who lives with that,
and not only does she bruise very easily, but often
many of the bruises never go away. Love the show
so much, love all of you, and cannot wait for

(01:24:52):
the merch.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
We're having a conversation about that tomorrow like a meeting.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Oh really, oh, a merch merch meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Excited set the set, the timer now again inside the sauce.
Will Ap producer ava be there. Will she be sending
secret messages? No, but it is a conversation happening tomorrow,
So more on that to come. It's a high priority.

Speaker 10 (01:25:17):
I love that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:18):
Yeah, So we're going to be talking more about Ellen
Greenberg tomorrow, right tomorrow time, Yes, Crime and Show. Make
sure you've watched the Hulu documentary out now. It's apartments
four O three is that right? Or six six six
three department?

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Yeah on an apartment.

Speaker 10 (01:25:37):
Six so three. What happened to Ellen Greenberg?

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
Yeah, and we're going to be discussing it tomorrow. But yeah,
she had Eller Dan Loos and that was one of
the reasons that you know, they were saying she wouldn't
have been stable with the stab, the stab wounds.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
That's my understanding. At least I still have to finish
the show myself. Yeah, but I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
A friend of mine has this as well, and she
also bruises, and she'll have a bruise for weeks at
a time, but she also.

Speaker 10 (01:26:11):
Has familiar What is it, so you bruise very easily
or I'm not familiar.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
With elder It's I don't really I don't want to
speak out of turn or speak wrongly, but it's apparent
it's it primarily affects your connective tissue and so your skin,
your joints and blood vessels and things like that, and
it makes them more like elastic.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
And again, you know what if I'm wrong, give us
a call. Eighty eight thirty.

Speaker 6 (01:26:41):
Yeah, I don't want to things becoming a parent. It's
apparent to me that Taha as well has not finished
the documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Have you, Taha?

Speaker 10 (01:26:51):
How do you know? Did my poker face give it away?

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Strong? The face?

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
I have to say, I just the exactly like its down,
like literally looked down, like oh right by the way, ed,
don't for it, don't come for me. But I'm going
to be gone tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
I have watched.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
I'm going to send in my two cents to the girls.
Don't get me started on this documentary. You guys have
to watch. It's very very good. It's very very good.
I swear it's very very good.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Hunting.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
It's important we are hunting webbits. But I'm not going
to be here tomorrow. I've been invited to a party
that I'm going to go to because I need to
make some friends nice and you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
Are willing, You're not allowed we're we You're only allowed
to have us as friends, you know, I know, I know,
I know which.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
You have to be in? No, fly free, fly free, No, No,
I'm very possessive. Three hours.

Speaker 10 (01:27:43):
We'll miss you, but.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
I to watch. I can't wait to discuss talk back. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:27:50):
Hey, this is Leslie and Alabama. I listen to you
guys every day and I love your show. And as
much as I love True Crime, I do enjoy the
hints today on cleaning, So that was pretty cool. And
I had one that I've never heard of anyone say
besides myself. Okay, you know the filament on Lily's how

(01:28:17):
it kind of shakes off?

Speaker 13 (01:28:19):
Yes, you get that.

Speaker 16 (01:28:20):
On your clothes. You can't wash it off, and if
you try it, it will be stuck there. So I
found out that if you take whatever it is that
has that filament on it and put it out in
the sun, the sun will absorb it and it will
be gone in less than a half an hour, which
is not only cool, but a great idea for a

(01:28:42):
Science Fair project. Anyway, goodness the show. Are you going
to rename it true crime and clean the way?

Speaker 11 (01:28:52):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
I love that is such a first of all, a great.
We didn't talk about the sound bath either. First of all, Yeah, Tim,
right to the test A lily lover. I feel like
I have suffered from this and I have a blouse
that I love that I still have that has a
epic lily stain on it, and I wonder if it's
too late because I probably like clean this little axe.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
These little tips are everything?

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
Ever like the surround favorite one?

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Did you try it? Did you tryin carpet?

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Did you throw a bottle of red wine all over
your couch? Not your couch, it has to be a carpet.
Don't talk about the sound band?

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
What is the sound what's that?

Speaker 8 (01:29:35):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
I've only been to a few. One of them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
I was a disaster in and I like sobbed weirdly
like what in ways I can't quite describe, so speaking,
it was post Dodger. Yeah, I went to a sound
bad that was recommended to me and I kind of
like weirdly sobbed the entire.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
Time, but it felt really good.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
And basically it's all of these I'm going to get
this a little bit wrong, but it's basically bowls, beautiful bowls,
and the person who does it like is trained and
knows what sounds good and they basically take kind of
like a stick or most painful and they go room
and it makes it that's your body vibration. Yeah, and

(01:30:14):
it like it heals you because it's at the right frequency.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
Of your I'm in, I'm in, let's do it. I
think that's right. My saying that right, court That's yeah,
that's very Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:30:24):
They it's the vibrations from the bowl and the way
that the technicians sort of hit it. They will hit
different parts of our bodies will be affected, and it's
it's pretty profound.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
On the Giggles one time, sobbed one time it was
just like whatever, It's like, really what you need in
that moment?

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
Yeah? Good, I love it. Well, we're done. I guess
we are done.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
That is a wrap, everybody, So listen tomorrow. We have
a full show on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Taha. What do we have to look forward to? Tomorrow?

Speaker 10 (01:30:53):
We're going to update the updates on the heist in
Paris not involving Courtney and True Crime and Chilly Yay
see you then.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
I love you. Stay safe out there.

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