What Luigi Mangione Carried, What Brian Walshe Hid, and What Happened to Pregnant Mother Rebecca Park

A newly released affidavit in the death of pregnant mother Rebecca Park reveals a chain of events far more disturbing than anyone expected. Plus, we track the federal case against NBA player Terry Rozier and the chilling new developments in the death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner aboard a cruise ship. Tune in for all the details. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. It's Monday, December eighth, and yes,
we have a stacked night of headlines. Accused CEO healthcare
shooter Luigi Mangioni's pre trial continues.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
He was in court today.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
And again face to face with the people who actually
did the.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Arrest in the Altoona McDonald's.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Plus week two of the trial of accused wife killer
Brian Walsh continues.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
It only gets more wild.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
So I know we've been following this one closely body
very close to your heart. Cannot wait to download with
you on it. Plus the biological father of these sixteen
year old suspect in Anna Kepner's death, the young eighteen
year old who died while aboard a cruise ship. So
the biological son of her stepbrother has finally spoken out.

(01:11):
And it's complicated and layered and complex and lots of
discuss there. And this other case that we've been talking
about Rebecca Park and her murder. Grizzly, grizzly new details
revealed by authorities today.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Buckle up.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
This one's a dark one and man, what her mother
is being accused of is unimaginable. Plus the NBA player
Terry Rogier, he's pleading not guilty while in court today.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
We discussed this a few weeks ago, this.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Wild NBA draft that's kind of looking like a big
mob scheme operation. Please, it's crazy. What is that going
to do to the sport? It's so upsetting. But listen,
he's saying he didn't do it, So my fingers are crossed.
I know all NBA fame, all NBA players and fans

(02:05):
agree with me here. I just need to know that
we have body back in the house. Body, you're feeling nice,
and I well, I'm feeling thank you, Yeah, thankfully, And
we hope everybody listening had a wonderful weekend and that
your Monday was off to a great start. It's freezing here,
and I need to know people watch the ditty doc.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yet I want to show of hands in the studio.
I was sit, wait, body, what is your You were
a sickle weekend. I slept like twelve hours every day
and then slept another eight hours at night. I was
up for like four hours a day. It was terrible.
I had a really bad fever. I had one hundred
and two point two degree temperature fever. Sweet. I was out, Yeah,

(02:46):
I was out. So I did not get a chance
to watch it. But I promise you I am going
to watch it, even if it's next weekend.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
They can't talk to anybody until somebody's watched it, and
it's crazy making terrible, and I feel like I want
to cut the line on true crime and chill and
just ask everybody listening to please watch it. I just
think it's a really interesting documentary. I think it's worth
discussing just as a doc period. It all about it,

(03:15):
and that's I'm sure people have very swede opinions. I'll
save mine for when we can really talk about it.
But it has so much crossover to a lot of
the things that we talk about in the Epstein case,
a lot of things that we've seen in you know,
Weinstein in that case. So yeah, more on that to come,
but in the meantime, let's go to a talk back.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Hey, lady Stephanie from Ohio, I just wanted to say,
I'm just really surprised that this Miranda rights issue is
even a thing in the Luigi case because I mean,
what happens to you know, search and seizure and you know,
if the cop has probable cause to be able to
look like that's often done many times before an arrest,

(03:57):
and then the Miranda rights are read and what they
have is still included as evidence.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
So I'm really confused, says why this is leaveing a question?
Good question, great question, It's very good, and you know
it's it's a hard one for like me to answer.
You know, I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding is
the probable cause piece of this right. You have to
have probable cause in order to search somebody's possessions prior
to arrest. And like probably like if you if you're

(04:24):
getting pulled over and you have your person, like your
the front seat of your car and it's open and
they see like a gun, Okay, that's probable cause, right,
they can they can then search your your your your
purse or if you give consent to search, right. But
the Fourth Amendment doesn't really offer a lot of leeway
with that. Okay, So I guess it's going to really

(04:47):
determine on whether or not the judge decides that they
had probable cause to search that back.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
What in't a nationwide, multi jurisdictional manhunt.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yes, justify do it? Yeah I would not justify it.
Yeah you would, you would think. But defense doing their job.
The defense is doing their job. They're you know, bringing
up every single thing. Again, this is the fruit of
the poisonous tree. Right. If this they find out that
the cops didn't have probable cause to search act patpack
and the you know, the defense has to do what

(05:20):
they're doing. By the way, I had.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
The same exact scenario gone down, and I'm going on
a limb here, So come at me if you must.
But you know, here are these Altuona police officers who,
by their own admission, did not really believe in their
heart of hearts that they were really walking into a
McDonald's where the New York City shooter was at eating a.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Hash brand or brown Right.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
So basically, in case you haven't heard, one of the
patrons at this McDonald's had notified an employee that looks
like the guy from the New York City shooting, and
these guys roll in. If they had rolled in and
not checked anything, and not check the backpack, and Luigi
Mangioni whips out his three D printed gun and starts,

(06:07):
you know, shooting at everyone and there's fatalities. This would
be a much different conversation. It seems to me that
they rolled into that place and they handled with absolute care.
And yes they said maybe it was a bomb and
maybe that got weird, but who cares.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
They kept the place very safe.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
They were able to identify that this was in fact
the guy despite what they went into it thinking, and
they secured the property to some degree.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
They it could have been an active shooter.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
So they were able to identify the gun, and let's
get on with the show. This just seems wild to
me that this is the technicality that he's gonna die
on this hill and it might actually be successful.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Does it seem wild to you?

Speaker 6 (06:48):
Though?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
It does? It does?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Okay, So you can't get it right or you can't
get it wrong, like there's no there's no way to
win in that situation.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
The police went in.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
They did the best they could, They kept the situation restrained,
They were able to identify a potentially very dangerous item,
a gun. They got the gun secured. Now we're going
to complain that they shouldn't have had the gun. No,
I listen, I agree.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
I think the police did a good job and they
obviously got somebody incredibly dangerous off the street. Let's start there.
That's not I do believe that. But the process of
how they got the gun is under question. Right, did
they have probable cause to You can't police. You have
to give consent or they have to have a reason
to sert to you. We live in the United States
of America. We have a bill of rights, we have constitution.

(07:34):
You know, we have all these rights. We can't just
violate those rights because we want to. You have to
have a reason, Okay, And did they have a reason and.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
The reason can't be Wow, you sure do look like
the active shooter. Well that's fake identification.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Right, that's the question. And listen, it's not for us
to decide. Right, the judge is going to decide this.
I don't really this guy gave a fake ID I know,
but he was like shaking leaf apparently. You know, you
could see his little pinky. What was Luigi thinking today
in court too?

Speaker 7 (08:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Again, he seems pretty happy and he seems at ease
and he's given a fist, you know, given some sort
of a signal to the universe, like as if he's
going to walk free, and probably is feeling all the
love that he's receiving in and around the courthouse because
he's handsome by you know, some account.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I find it just troubling. It is well.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
I think he's also receiving good counsel from his legal
represent representatives to say, you should don't go in, don't
be haunched, don't look weird, don't look this, knowing optics
are everything and what you do.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
If he was head.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
In his hands, then it's, oh, you're so guilty. If
your head's held high, you're so smug. There's like, you know,
it's tough, and it's it's a lot of optics.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Right, I mean, but go ahead please. Oh.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
I was just gonna say, there's some information about today's
pre trial evidentiary here.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Let's hear it.

Speaker 7 (09:01):
I'm down, Yeah, let's dig into that.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
So it was day four and today's today's focused mainly
on Officer Christopher Wasser Christy Ross excuse me, officer Christy Wasser.
And she was of the Altoona Police Department and she's
the one who searched the accused Manngiones backpack in the
McDonald's on the day he was arrested after the manhunt

(09:25):
we've been talking about. So, twenty seven year old accused
Mangione is charged in the shooting of United Healthcare CEO
Brian Thompson. He was shot on a sidewalk in Manhattan
walking into a work conference early in the morning. And
Mangione and his lawyers are trying to get man Ngiones's

(09:46):
initial statements, his notebook slash manifesto, as well as a
three D printed gun found in his backpack excluded from
the evidence at trial. So that is what you know,
everything we've been talking about is exactly what's on folding
in court. So when the officer Christy Wasser first searched
the backpack, she found a pocket knife and a loaf

(10:07):
of bread, and she said that when man Joon was
officially arrested, she walked over and picked up his backpack.
So he had been arrested when she picked up the backpack. Now,
Officer Wasser was then shown on bodycam video pulling out
quote wet great underwear out of this backpack, and Officer

(10:30):
Wasser said, when I opened it up. It was a
fully loaded magazine, so a gun magazine.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Now, also in.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
This bag, Officer Wasser found a Faraday bag and that
I didn't know what it was. I believe everyone else did,
but if you don't, it's it's a bag that's designed
to block electronic signals used to detect items, so it's
portable and it uses conductive layers to shield electronic devices

(11:02):
from being remotely tracked. Now in the footage, the officers
could be seen debating whether a warrant was needed for
the search.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Most concluded one wasn't needed.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
So all of these details are what is exactly as
a play right, and an officer was heard suggesting that
the bag be brought to the police station's check for bombs.
At this point, Officer Christy Wasser was heard joking that
she preferred to check it at the scene there at
the McDonald's because she quote didn't want to pull a moser.

(11:35):
So that was a sarcastic reference to an officer, a
former Altaduna officer who accidentally brought a bag with a
bomb to the police station to be checked. Altuna, what
did I say, alta douna alta douna.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Trust me, people get really weird about the cities.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
No, thank you, But that in and of itself to
me suggests that the officers present there at the McDonald's thought, listen,
it's not out of the realm of possibility or plausibility
that there's a bomb in this bag right here.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
No, and then the defense jumped all over her.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
By the way, I feel for her, because these guys
are getting the tough wrap here, you know.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Then they jumped all over her saying.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, did you secure the premise, did you shut all
the doors? And did you scream like there's a bomb. Well, no,
we're trying to keep everything calm. Again, it's easy to
Monday morning quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Some of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
We're talking about a small police force, and these are
you know, jurisdiction issues, YadA YadA. These are not you know,
big city police officers. They're responding to a guy who
just murdered somebody in cold blood in midtown Manhattan and
the whole world was looking for him. It's alleging that
they allegedly, allegedly allegedly, it seems to me that they

(12:59):
did a fine job. And boy does money pay for lawyers.
You know, lucky that Luigi Mangioni has so much, so
much cash behind him and comes from a family that
can really afford good legal counsel. To your point, Courtney,
that yeah, he has great attorneys, and it counts, it
really does. But if this was anybody else in the

(13:21):
world who didn't have that level of an attorney defending them,
or that level of a team defending them, I'm not
sure this would play out the same way.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
Agree, I don't disagree.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Yeah, absolutely, And Luigi I'm going to try and say
Mangioni and men gion Mangi, it's every it's split in half.
But Mangoni's defense attorney attorneys did say in a filing
that the officer did not search a beg because she
reasonably thought there might be a bomb, but rather this
was an excuse designed to cover up an illegal, warrantless

(13:53):
search of the backpack. This made up bomb claim further
shows that even she believed that time that there were
constitutional issues with her search, forcing her to attempt to
salvage this debacle by making this spurious claim.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
But like again, they're not suggesting that he didn't do it.
He had a manifesto in his backpack, he had a
plan an escape route in.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
It on backpack. He had a gun in his backpack.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
In fact, it was a three D gun that was
allegedly used to murder a guy just a few days prior.
This is wild that they're trying to get this thrown out,
and I think it will be baseless.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I do too. I think that I think they're going
to say that it was a justified search, right or
a search after the arrest, which is completely justified.

Speaker 7 (14:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I mean they have to make sure that you don't have, like,
you know, needles in your pants and things like that,
you know, but this is again a back so yeah,
I think they're going to find that it was it
was needed. We'll see.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
Well, Stephanie, you mentioned the word manifesto and another thing
that Mangioni's defense team is objecting to is prosecutors using
the term execution to describe Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson's killing
and the word manifesto when discussing Mangione's notebook.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
So be called like a journal or something.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
Or well, I'm not sure what they wanted to be called,
but they don't want to be called those and the
judge said those terms have no effect during pre trial
evidentiary hearings. But quote, you're certainly not going to do
that at the trial, right, They don't want that done
it from the jury.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
I think that's very interesting. Well, listen, stick around.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
We will obviously continue following this and also a lot
more to come. We're inside day six of Brian Walsh's
murder trial and we have the latest with Rebecca Park
and the Affidavid reveals the unthinkable that more through crime tonight.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking
true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with
my two favorite true crime ladies, Courtney Armstrong and Body
move In. Body's been a bit under the weather, so
we are glad to have you Backbody back to.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Your full throttle self. Yeah, I'm like eighty percent throttle.
Oh you look great, so that's got to count for something.
So I got my guys today. Yeah, it looks so good.
But ways so comfy.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Ooh, we're gonna have hoodie giveaways also, So it's coming
allegedly allegedly, allegedly it is coming. So that's number one
and number two. If you want to jump in and
join the convo. Eight eight eight three one crime. Or
you could always leave us a talk pack on the
iHeart radio app. It's free, or you could also hit
us up in our socials. So this Brian Walsh case,

(16:56):
oh the stufus. This guy is just too much much.
I can barely handle it. So, ladies, where should we
begin with this? Because gosh, Week two began today and
it's you know, it's not pulling any punches that we are.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
I don't know, I don't know what to say. He's
he's a dufe. I just there's a Twitter account I follow.
I can't remember his name, but he just the whole
account is just making fun of Brian Walsh, and I
am obsessed with it. It is so funny. So this,
but the crime he committed is far from so. Today
was the sixth day in this trial of the alleged

(17:34):
Massachusetts wife killer Brian Walsh. He stands accused of killing
his beautiful wife, Anna Walsh, who disappeared quote unquote on
January first, twenty twenty three. Brian Walsh has pled guilty
to dismembering her body and misleading police, but denies killing
your Remember. He says that he found her and that

(17:57):
she died of like the sudden death and she so dead,
her body just rolled off the bed. Yeah, such a.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Good Rather than calling the police or calling an emergency
ambulance or god forbid, a family member, somebody called for help,
there's been there's there's something wrong with my.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Beautiful beloved wife. Please help me.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
He decides to go to home depot and do some
shopping for a chainsaw hacksaw, you know, cleaningsuit.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, watching that.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Clown on surveillance, I wanted to jump through the television.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Just seeing him. We got to wandering around.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
Oh yeah, you guys gonna ask about that, tell us
about that surveillance, because.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, so that happened today. But I'm gonna jump back
to day five because we weren't here Friday, and of course,
you know, the trial happened on Friday, so day five
was Friday. And digital forensics expert Colin O No connor,
I'm sorry, Connor Keith where he returned to the stand

(19:02):
as prosecutors continued to lay out all the cell phone data.
Connor testified about messages and searches pulled from the phones
of the accused, Brian Walsh, and his wife, the victim
on a Walsh, including a text that he sent her
the day after the prosecutors say he killed her. So

(19:22):
he's like sending her texts like pretending she's still alive,
and it said I still love you. Ha ha ha
hat Like I was so bizarre. During cross examination, the
defense attorney for Brian Walsh, Larry Tipton, accused the prosecution
of cherry picking the accused Brian Walsh internet searches. So basically,

(19:45):
do you remember all this internet searches? Like, well, I
if my wife is missing, can I still use her card?
And how long to smell eighty of them? So he
this member of body right, So but the defense is
saying that you know the state, you know in order
to prosecute my client has cherry picked the internet search

(20:09):
as noting that a search for Anna Walsh found dead
occurred around the same time as a search for Christmas
Day plane crash, both made before Anna texted that she
was driving home on Christmas. So this was, you know,
done before her death. He was just planning to kill her, right,
like what it looked like in black and white?

Speaker 5 (20:31):
Because agree, he has said I dismembered her, so we
know she wasn't on the road or in some unfortunate
plane crash.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Good grief. I almost think it makes it worse.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
You know, what is the I don't understand what the
point he lends more credit.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
So basically, the one of the things that the state
is saying is that you know, brought uh Anna was
having this affair and Brian Walsh knew about it, and
she was with this guy on Christmas and enraged him.
So it leads more credibility to that that you know
when she was driving home on Christmas. You know, he

(21:06):
knows that this happened and he's searching. In my opinion,
it makes him look worse.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah too, he was obviously premeditated and his searching for
ways to have her oft By the way, she was
probably having an affair on this guy because she knew
deep inside he's a monster and the kind of guy
that would hack you up right.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
And the art fraud right.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, but excuse me, I have a clarifying question. I'm so,
has the defense changed strategy or am I confused? Wasn't
there a point at which Brian Walsh's defense said he
had no knowledge of the affair between his wife and
Anna that iss so's somewhere it's changed.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
I don't think that's changed. I think they're still contending
that and.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
That maybe they're just saying that he was having these
interesting little Google searches without knowing that this affair had
been going on.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Remember he called the person that I'd been having an
affair with days after she went missing, basically calling to
check in to see if you.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Know, she had it anywhere. He's playing out this storyline
that he's really looking for her, right, and he just
so happens to call the guy she's having an affair with.
He totally knew. Come on, so the defense attorney, Larry
Tipton also said that Brian Walsh had made a New
Year's Day dinner reservation for the couple. How could he

(22:37):
have killed her? He made a reservation, they were going
to go to dinner.

Speaker 7 (22:40):
What dinner like?

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Okay, okay, yeah, that's not that's not a good And
clearly he didn't kill her. He made right. I mean this,
but listen, what is it? They really don't have a
lot to work with the right you know, they used
to work with him too.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
He just sits there and I just want him to
serve serious time.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
And like he has a father he has children. I know,
sweet children are being exposed to this. So jurors on
Friday saw the tools that were recovered from a dumpster
outside the accused Brian Walsh's mother's house, including pliers and
measuring cup coated in finger printing powder. The state's deputy
Chief Medical Examiner, doctor Richard Atkinson, testified about testing a

(23:25):
rug from the same dumpster for human tissue, noting, you know,
his office usually examines bodies, not household items. Again, this
is a nobody case, right. Anna's body has not been recovered,
but they have recovered pieces of it, and the medical
Examiner's like, you know, usually we don't test rugs, We
test bodies.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
Judged, like, he puts the items in his own mother's
he's dumpster a goof.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
I don't know, I don't know how to say it.
He's just a goof. What would somebody do with finger
printing powder? I don't know, almost, I don't know, maybe
hiding something prints on it. Yeah, oh.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
I see, I'm really good.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
They can't, right, So the judge on Friday told jurors
she anticipates the evidence phase will conclude in about two weeks.
So today was the sixth day right. And by the way,
this is true Crime tonight on iHeart Radio. Right in
the middle of talking about the Brian Walls trial. I
just went over at day five. We're going to jump
right into day six if you want a wagh and
give us a call. Eight and eight thirty one crime

(24:34):
and today. So today's day six, okay, and this is
where we see the surveillance video from Low's. Okay. So,
witnesses from several businesses were called to the stand today
by the prosecution and their testimony was used to introduce
surveillance videos into evidence. Okay. And these videos were all
from the early days of January, and some clearly showed

(24:54):
Brian Walsh's face. Not only did they show his face,
He's looking into the camera, smiling and like fixing his hair,
like closing. He's such a weirdo. I can't wait for
the stralla be over because I'm so sick of looking
at his stupid face. Well, I just literally never heard
you say that before. I know that something out driving

(25:17):
us and I feel like he's a con man. You know,
he's a frog.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Lows. The representative from Low's Kid Reid, walked jurors through
the Danvers self checkout video okay, and a receipt that
showed items including a hack saw, hatchet, mop, buckets, cleaners, rags,
and the receipt for four hundred and sixty three dollars
in cash. Other videos showed purchase he made at Acbs

(25:44):
and Walgreens. The medical examiner again his name is doctor
Richard Atkinson, also returned to the stand to testify about
his review of the evidence from the case. Prosecutors showed
photos of a stained carpet. Remember we just talked about
this carpet that they talked about in day five identified
as containing a blood clot, and the witnesses said investigators

(26:05):
also found this white powdery substance, more clots and hair
on the carpet pieces. I think he was using this
powder to look sticky if he had fingerprints on the stuff.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
Yeah, yeah, to make sure he cleaned up his don't
you guys think.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
That makes sense?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
As soon as you said it, it kind of just
stop on the video for one second, Okay, I said
thoughts about and I really meant lows.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, we know what you meant. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
First of all, it's shocking that anybody gets away with
anything in this world. His surveillance footage is so good
and this was such good clear footage. It's clearly him
really wearing a mask. For portions of it. You see
him buying nothing else except for things that you would
murder a person with, or nothing else. Yeah, he literally

(26:49):
just like stacked up on supplies to cut up his wife.
And just the context seeing how casual he is. I
guess this is always the case when you see somebody
knowing that's like, whether he killed her or not. His
dead wife remains at the house, So he got in his.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Car, the mother of his children, by the mother.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Of his children. Right, where are the children? I'm curious
at this point where are the children? But the dead
wife is somewhere, right, She's in a rug someplace, rolled up,
is what I'm assuming. In this clown gets his mask,
he gets his clothes are on, he seems dressed, he
brushed his hair, probably brushed his teeth. He goes he's
strolling through the store purchasing things to hack her up.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
It is mind.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Blowing cool as a cucumber. And by the way, cool
is a cucumber watching the footage too.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, and in this smirk he gives the camera right oh,
I cate to hear what the defense has to say
in defense of the hacksaw the hatch, because he admitted
he had to service, right, No, I.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Did it for the kids, remembers my mind actually refuses.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
No, no, no, he's a problem. He just he was
doing it for his children. Let's remember he was doing
it for his children. He pushed her off the bed
and she just fell off like a brag doll. Clearly
dead because obviously he has a secret degree in health
and can determine when a body is not to be saved.
Can you imagine you think you'd be screaming help life?

(28:24):
Is there a lifeguard, somebody, an ambulance? Not Brian Walsh.
He already knows the answers. He's going to decide to
do shopping.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
He's too busy doing phone searches on how long he
can get the inheritance after.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
She's with the two insurance policies he has on her head.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Right again, but it's for the kids, for the kids.

Speaker 7 (28:42):
Oh yeah, it looks fishier to me. That's the part
where I think it'll be harder to defend, like looking
up the like if he's saying she died and I
brought these items to get rid of the body. I
want the kids to see it. All that. Okay, that
tracks with maybe your ridiculous story. But then the part
about the inherent and looking up the inheritance, that part,

(29:03):
now it gets questionable, Like now it feels like, well,
what was the logic of that?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
But tah, you're cherry picking. She was also searching about
people dying in airplanes. Dead wife, I know he was.
He was busy searching for restaurants to meet. Oh and wait,
while I'm.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Mad at I'm going to call a bunch of fake
people and leave fake messages on their machine, knowing full
well by his own admission, she was dead at that point.
So here he is listening to these voicemails to her,
his now deceased wife's boyfriend, and he's.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Like, hey, there, I hope you're good. I'm just checking
in to see if by chance you've seen Anna. Haven't
heard from her from a few days. He already knows
that she's dead.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, shocking that he is not a disaster mess, emotionally disregulated, crying,
broken out in hives, hysterical.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
He's a calm cucumber. That account I was talking about
on Twitter had tweeted that every time he looks at
Brian while she sees like one of those you know,
monkeys with the symbol the toy that you want in
his head, Like yeah, because he's just a goof. And

(30:20):
the smirk that he gives the camera like he realizes
he's checking out and it's one of those cameras like
on the cash register, you know, so it's like right
up on it. It's like he realizes, Oh, I'm on
camera buying all these things. I'm gonna smirk, and he
gives like the smile and then he runs his fingers
through his his greasy hair. Yeah, I just he drives

(30:42):
me nut. So the defense continues to emphasize the possibility
of sudden, unexpected death, with expert testimony explaining that without
a body, a definitive cause of death cannot be determined.
So basically what they're saying is, listen, we can't say
how she died, and neither can you, because we don't
have because Brian Walsh got rid of it.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's interesting that no one's like standing up for him too,
Like we know, we've seen this in other cases where
the accused, you know, in this case, Brian Walsh that
you know a friend or a loved one or a
family member, his mother. Where's mom? Where's his mother? He
was like, dumping supplies in the.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Trash can by her house. What does that say?

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I mean, thanks anyway, But does she believe him? Is
she standing by him?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I know that's a good question. Maybe we'll hear from her.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
By the way, Taha, we need little sound cue for
you because you are going to read us a DM
dun dun dun da da dun dun duh.

Speaker 7 (31:37):
Well, and this is just a reminder for all our listeners.
We really do get a lot of dms from you,
and we go through every single one and we really
appreciate everything that you're sending to us. So yeah, them coming.
And one of the topics that we covered not too
long ago has resonated with a lot of viewer listeners
out there, and one of that topic was seven sixty

(31:57):
four in line with also Gregory's cult that we also
talked about recently. So let me read you something from
devn that is in reference to the whole Greggy's cult. Hi, Hi,
this is Devon. I'm from Toronto and I'm listening to
tonight's episode that whole Greggy's cult thing happened to my
friend's fourteen year old kid last night last night, if

(32:21):
it was the last night, not sure if it was
them per se, but they found him on TikTok, groomed
him to send photos, not nudes, just shirtless, then they
photo shopped them to be more exposed, and tried to
extort money from him via gift cards. I am so
incredibly glad that he went to his parents and he

(32:42):
told them what was going on, but my goodness, it
has done a number on him. His anxiety is now
out of control. My friend did file up a police
report and is having some tough conversations with their kids.
But I feel awful for kids who can't go to
their parents.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
So, my gosh, that is night.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, thank goodness, Thank goodness that she's reaching out and
that they, yeah, responded so quickly, quickly and swiftly.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Oh that's and Devin, thank you, thank you for sharing this.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
And also even I love the detail that you know
the kid was groomed and it didn't start out even
as nudes just shirtless.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Hey, you know, just bad enough.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
But things start small, and I know I keep repeating this,
but things you know, the kids and victims get lulled
in by often kind words and accolades, and you're such
a good game player, or you're so clever and maybe
just this, maybe just a picture of your room. Okay,

(33:47):
now you in your room. And I'm so glad. I'm
grateful you shared this. And also that this fourteen year
old went to their parents.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Oh, and that took a lot of bravery, by the way,
for your you know, your friend's son. And I'm and
also it's a testament to your friend's parenting, right that
he felt comfortable enough and secure enough to go to
his parents. And thank god, you know, this is like
I think I told you guys. I posted something about

(34:16):
this to my Facebook and a couple of people just
don't believe it. That they think I'm making it up
or something. I even posted the DJ did to Gregy's cult.
And for those who don't know Gregy's cult, it's an ought. Well,
it was the precursor to the seven six four? Uh
kind of movement? Is it a movement or I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
It's yeah, I mean kind of. It's an extremist group, right,
and so falling under the category of six Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
And it's it's they target minors via gaming platforms Discord, Reddit, rollblocks,
I mean, any kind of platform kids can be on,
and they engage in extortion, in and whatnot. Just like
Courtney said, they started out small like, wow, you're really
good at call of duty, Like you are really good
with that BFG, that gun that you know or whatever,

(35:07):
and that kind of escalates to hey, let's talk offline,
you know, and then that escalates to wow, show me
a picture of your room, just like you said, court right,
and then they say, oh, now that you sent me
this photo, I'm gonna, you know, make it look like
you're nude, and I'm going to tell everybody at school
that you're sending nudes out. And if you don't send
me five hundred dollars, I'm just being general right now. Sure. Yeah,

(35:30):
And they do this to get money, obviously, and they
really like to torture these people. They are sadistic people.
They're very sadistic. Sometimes they'll tell you to kill the family.
Pet cats, guinea pigs, rabbits have been killed by these people.
They'll tell the kid, you know, if you don't kill
your rabbit, I'm going to tell your parents. And so

(35:54):
the kid kills the family, pet, makes a video whatever,
and then the people that do this to brag to
all their prole friends that they made this kid do that.
It's like Internet currency. It's a cloud they had.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
There was one example, and this was when we were
speaking with one of the prosecutors on the in Cells
podcast project, and they referenced a case where a victim,
a girl underage, maybe she was fourteen or so. As

(36:29):
the grooming as it got bigger as the blackmail, this
victim of a girl was basically incited to call in
bomb threats to her own school to create as much
havoc as causing bomb threats would to get her in
the amount of trouble that you would get in calling

(36:51):
in bomb.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Threats to blow up federal school.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
Exactly right, I mean any logic, And they set back exactly.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
And look at all the chaos I caused. I'm the
winner this week, you know, or whatever's exactly right? Right, Well,
you know, they get to say to all their friends,
look at all the all the news stations, all the
police cars, all the whatever, it's because of me, you
know I did that. They it's currency, It's Internet currency.
So god, I'm so glad that your friend is a

(37:23):
good parent and their kid felt comfortable enough. You know,
I just read that story of the kid seventy six, no,
fifteen years old killed himself because he was mortified that
his nudes that he had sent one of these people
because they said that, you know, we're going to send
we're going to send these to you know, your school,

(37:44):
and they're going to know what a pervert you are.
And he's fifteen years old.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
He took three hours, three hours and also just one
thing to say, body, and you said, thank god that
the person Devin was referring to that they are good parents.
Absolutely also worth noting if you find out your kid
isn't over their head for for some reason and you

(38:10):
haven't been told, that also doesn't.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Mean you are in any way a bad parent. Yes,
I think it's I you're so glad you said that.
I'm so glad you said that. No, I really am
so glad you said that, because I definitely don't mean
to imply, you know, that that parents of children that
have fallen victim this are bad parents, because certainly not.
You know, It's just I just feel it's just sad,

(38:35):
and I don't know how to I don't know how
to communicate that.

Speaker 7 (38:37):
It's just so sad, it's just so solid, and I
think that we're continually talking about it, and I think
that's part of the one way to help keep this
up maybe to solve it. Maybe one person out there
will listen to this and then think, Okay, I'll take
this information and make sure I check in on my child.
So us doing this, maybe we're helping society in some
small way shape or form.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
But well, and if you're out there in your parent
and you have a child, you know, maybe from the
ages of eight to seventeen. This case is a part
of the Project Safe Childhood. It's a DOJ initiative to
combat online child exploitation, protect victims, and dismantle abusive networks

(39:21):
like Gregi's colt in seven sixty four. So please check
out Project Safe Childhood. There might be like some tips
and tricks in there on how to talk to your
kids about this, because I think if your kids know
that this is out there, they're going to be more
prone to talk to you about if it happens to them.
And if they know that you know that it exists,
That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, Like, mostly kids think that you know anything, or
they're going to be mortified when they realize that, or
my parents, you know, would never understand. Meanwhile, it's like,
chances are I've lived every possible thing you are most
afraid of, and you know, sometimes we don't realize that
in our parents until it's too late.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
So yeah, it's a tough one. Thanks. I really appreciate you.

Speaker 7 (40:04):
M We have shift gears. Yeah, let's go to a
talk back and we'll talk about some other stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Hi, ladies.

Speaker 8 (40:12):
Okay, I'm currently reading a new thriller. It's by Sherry
Lapina called she Didn't See It Coming. And one of
the characters mentions watching the Don't f With Cats documentary
and I literally flipped out. I was like, oh my god,
she's talking about Body. So I just want to say, Body,
you are in a book, the famous girl, more famous

(40:33):
than you already are.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Love you all.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
Yay Simpsons, Yeah we have a Simpsons episode.

Speaker 7 (40:42):
Yeah yeah, I didn't know about this.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
I'll send it to you. Yeah, yep, okay, it's about
these two obsessive Internet nerds and just read up you know,
of course, but yeah, there's no greater compliment. You know
that crazy Simpson's made after you when the producers, uh,
the producers told me about it, and I was like,
I thought I thought I was being punked. Actually, I
was like what, but yeah, there's a Simpson episode I'll

(41:07):
send to you guys. It's crazy though.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
First of all, that book that I've seen, that book
I have not read. It was such a good title.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
I thought, what's it called? I she had a coming.
I blacked out.

Speaker 7 (41:24):
It was coming.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
She didn't see it coming. She didn't see it coming
for some reason, I heard Cherry Peppini.

Speaker 7 (41:36):
Oh no, you know what I.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Mean, Like I confused all the cases for sure saw
it coming.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Thank you for the talk aback and letting me know
I had no idea.

Speaker 7 (41:49):
That's funny. I think we have time for another one.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Hey, let's do.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Hey, lady Stephanie from Ohio, I just wanted to let
you know that I spent the day.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Home yesterday sick, and I watched the entire.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Uh P Didy Reckoning documentary on Netflix, and I just
wanted to ask, did anyone else read all of the
subtitles in your head?

Speaker 3 (42:07):
In Courtney's voice.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
I'm just so used to it, and it just is
so much soothing and makes it so much more interesting.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
So I just wanted to see what y'all thought. Thanks by.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I hear everything in my head and narration. Honestly, I
hear it. I I feel like I Courtney's the muse.
He really is, you know, like I can hear her
in my head day in and day out.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Courtney is the person I compare myself to sometimes, like
when we you know, we have to record our promos
or whatever, I'll be like, Okay, you have to be
as good as Courtney. I have to figures.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
I tried to say, let me channel my Courtney.

Speaker 9 (42:45):
Energy, reckoning, ultimate goodness, no reckoning.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I think he saw it.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
First of all, when we talk about the doc, it
is crazy that we can't talk about it, just talk
about it.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
We pick a day when appropriate. I think I have to.
I have to.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
We have to jump the shark here and we might
have to get to push our next true crime and hill.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
How about when.

Speaker 7 (43:15):
Day well, Jared's coming wins, maybe Thursday, and that way
anybody who's really Thursday works for me start their weekend.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Force feed it. It's just so interesting.

Speaker 7 (43:26):
You know, you were speaking highly of it before, and I.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Was like, yeah, yeah, I had planned to watch again.

Speaker 7 (43:31):
Could not stop, Like I got glued to it. It's
shot so well. It's you know what. Another thing I
love about it because we've been following this case from
the beginning and I heard the name KK, I heard
the name Capricorn. When you see them now, it's so different.
I'm like, Oh, that's what Capricorn looks like. Oh, that's
what KK looks like. It's it's funny to hear and
see them, just little things like, oh, wow, that's how

(43:53):
she would dress for parties. Like I don't know. I
found it interesting visually, and it's almost like characters we've
talked about forever and now I get to know them,
see them how they interact. I don't know. I could
not stop watching it, And every person I've told has
said they can't stop watching it either.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Capricorn Clark brings down the house in this episode, that
last episode, and I can't believe we're not all talking
about Aubrey O day. It is one of the more
painful things. Yeah, oh, I just think you have to
watch it. I think it's handled really elegantly, and by
the way, even some of the controversial stuff I'm dying
to talk to Jared about to because he's getting laid

(44:32):
on pretty thick, with some real accusations coming.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
To sidiomes his way.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I mean they squarely say a lot that he's been
a part of that was not on his list of charges.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Was up for racketeering. It's all else.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
I don't want to ruin it for anybody, but I
think it's really worth a discussion.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Okay, I'll have it done. I will definitely, definitely promise
to have it done by Thursday, only if you feel
if not sooner. No, I listened so much, yay. I
lived on my couch for like four days and slept
the whole time. I went through like six bottles of juice.
I lived in this woodie. I had to wash it

(45:14):
because it was like filthy because I had lived in it.
I was like sweating because I was I had a finger,
You had a real I was really sick.

Speaker 7 (45:23):
Yeah, did you get your tie soup?

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yes, of course, mild spice number three. I can't do
it higher otherwise I'm going to die. But I had
like six orders from postmates of tomm Yum feeling. It's
it's really I don't I'm only wearing one ear piece
tonight because it still hurts, but it was. It was
a pretty bad Earie like it affected me in ways.

(45:49):
I never thought like I was like freaking out. I
was like, oh my god, I'd better go to listen.
I never go to the doctor. Ask India. It's like
it's getting me to the doctor. Is like, so if
I go to the doctor, I'm sick. You know what
I mean. I'm like, I had Death's door and then yeah,
I had one hundred and two point two fever.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
That's not healthy, that's crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
That's ice bathory. No, no, for an adult to have
one hundred and two point five fever. For any one
hundred two point two, it's still that's very high. It's high.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Well I survived, and I definitely broke my fever. I
broke my fever late though, Sunday. Sunday, Honey, I'm so
glad you're okay. We were thinking about you. Boy.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Had I known, Ludia, I would have just been hanging
on the phone with you and put your straight this loose.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
Listen, stick around because top of the hour we have
the Rebecca Park at the David, which uncovers an absolutely
chilling plan and the NBA scandal took a sharp turn
to crime tonight.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Court,
New Armstrong and Body Move In. I can't believe the
first hour is already gone. So if you're just joining us, welcome,
We're so happy you're here. If you've missed any of
the show, do not worry for one single second because
you could always catch it right after. As a podcast,

(47:25):
you know, we're going to be talking about this NBA
super scandal which has got me all kinds of worked up.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
And also Rebecca Park.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
You know, the young pregnant woman who was found dead
man oh Man. The details that are coming in from
her fateful night are pretty unimaginable. So we'll be breaking
that down as well. And again, if you want to
join the Conversation Live eight eight eight three one Crime,
we want to hear from you and also keep those

(47:54):
talkbacks coming. So Court, this NBA draft scandal, it's not
really the draft, that's not the scandal. But you know, again,
we had a major player in court today who claims
he is not guilty period the end. That's right, Miami
Heat guard Terry Rozier is who you're referring to, and

(48:15):
he indeed pleaded not guilty today. He's up on federal
charges of wire fraud and money laundering. And this all
has to do with an alleged insider sports betting scheme.
So the accused Rosier is accused of manipulating his performance
during a twenty twenty three NBA game to benefit illegal gambling.

(48:37):
And this falls under a much broader federal investigation that
involves more than thirty defendants. It includes Portland Trailblazers coach
Chauncey Billips and NBA player Damon Jones. And the scheme
allegedly involved sharing non public information about players availability and

(48:58):
game participation to place fraudulent bets between December twenty twenty
two in March twenty twenty four. So if you guys
are unfamiliar with how a lot of betting platforms work,
you're not necessarily just betting on.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Team A is going to win, team B is going
to lose.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
It's you know, Tony on on Team A will get
so many points in the first quarter even or this
in the first half. So it's all these micro bets
that would be grossly influenced by, say, a player going
out early. So accused player Terry Rozier appeared in the

(49:41):
District Court of Eastern District of New York today for
formal arraignment and a pre trial hearing. Again, he pleaded
not guilty to everything. He was flanked by his attorney.
They declined to comment anything to reporters, and Rozi along
with NBA coach Chauncey Billups, have both been placed on

(50:04):
unpaid leave by the NBA, and Razier's salary is held
in escrow until the federal investigation concludes.

Speaker 7 (50:15):
Which is that serious?

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Imagine? I mean, these guys, they work so hard to
get into professional sports, like their whole life, right, They're
in elementary school, they're playing basketball, football, whatever, in junior
high and high school and college. Sometimes, like imagine all
this time just to get there, and then you do

(50:36):
this kind of stuff. It's insane to me.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
No, it is better not be more widespread, because that's
the fear is that it's not just going to involve
simply the NBA. The fear is that this is going
to go for even heavy hitters larger than these particular players,
that are even bigger in the game, their names. I
won't even say out loud because I don't even want
the allegations being thrown their way. And that also's happening

(51:01):
in other sports potentially, that's devastating. To your point, how
about for the guy that's been working his tail off,
sacrificing everything, full scholarship, working their tail off, you know,
against all odds, who finally gets to the big leagues
and these clowns are taken bets And it seemed like

(51:22):
it's a pretty big operation because we had talked about
this once before. It has mob ties, you know, the
steaks are pretty darn hard. And are they getting all
tied up in this because they had debt? Was there
some sort of gambling debt that this player was potentially
allegedly allegedly allegedly trying to pay off, maybe got in
under their head on some of these high stakes gambling

(51:45):
ring things. And then suddenly you have Uncle Knuckles from
the mob in New York City like saying, listen up
to you, I don't care who you are, you need
to pay up or put out. And suddenly they're like, oh,
break my ankle, you know, like that is how at
least it happens.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
In the movies, you know who wants uncle knuckles all
over you.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
So it is scary stuff, and this is pretty major,
it really is.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
And the specifics in the indictment are or include that
player Terry Rozier informed his childhood friend, a guy named
de niro Laster, that he was quote going to prematurely
remove himself from the game in the first quarter due
to a supposed injury and not return to play further.

(52:33):
So at that point, the childhood friend de niro Laster
sold this information to co conspirators for betting purposes, and
this resulted in I think it was two hundred thousand
dollars going to the larger I'm not saying that one
to the players going to the larger betting platform.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
And again it's always the childhood hanger on our friend.
I would never have the I have the best childhood friends,
but who have better judgment than I would, so they
would actually make sure that I kept it on the
straight and narrow. But this guy has this, this buddy,
you know that it is now all tangled up on it.
Chances are the buddies talking away to the Feds or

(53:16):
whoever's you know, knee deep in this operation, and yeah,
he's like loose lips sinking ships and I'm just so
curious where the tentacles of this go. Yeah, because you
know it's Terry rogierret listen Ice live in Miami, so
I know these are fighting words to say against the
Miami Heat player.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
So is it just something he mentioned to his.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Buddy like, hey, buddy, I can't I'm not feeling well tonight.
I doubt I'll even make it through the first quarter
of the game. And the buddy interprets that as you know,
signal code, and then he triggers, you know, some said scheme.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Is that possible? It doesn't sound like that.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
It does not know and you know childhood buddy de
niro Laster is also a co defendant. He as well
has pleaded not guilty to charges and was released on
fifty thousand dollars bond.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
But no, it it certainly seems that there was.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And what about the coach. He also says he's not guilty, right,
So the coach that was brought in also, so everyone's
not guilty.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
Settles that Ander is having is having his his salary
held in escrow. Coach billups he's losing his current season's pay,
which is around seven million dollars entirely.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
While he suspended too.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Much money, Why are you doing anything out of line.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Seven million dollars?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Did you possibly more to do other than you just
do the straight and arrow and coach twenty four hours
a day and then spend time with your family and
do good things in the world.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Who has time for the gambling?

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Well, with all these not guilty, I mean, I don't know,
maybe nobody, maybe no one, nobody apparently listen, this is
true crime tonight.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
We are on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
I'm Courtney Armstrong, so lucky to be here with my
buddy Body Movin and Stephanie Leidecker, and we've been talking
about this NBA gambling thing going on. If you went
a weigh in eight at eight three one crime And
now we're going to go to another story that Body
will fill us in on.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I just want to give a quick grigor warning for
this case. This case involves graphic violence, torture, harm to
a pregnant woman, and the death of an unborn child.
It also includes themes of drugs, betrayal, coercion, and extreme cruelty.
Listener discretion is strongly advised. Especially for those sensitive to

(55:59):
violence against women or any kind of pre natal harm
this is.

Speaker 10 (56:05):
Or sensitive to mothers doing to their children. Yeah, that's
a good point. Stuff like this is just so awful.
So a probable cause affidavit related to the homicide of
twenty two year old Rebecca Park has been released Tomorrow,
December tenth. Both biological mother of Rebecca Park, she's our
victim in this case. Her the mother's name is Courtney

(56:26):
Bartholomew and her husband Brad have a probable cause hearing
in Wexford County, Michigan at ten thirty am.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Why you might ask, wow. The probable cause affidavit was
released today and it outlines the investigation into the dead,
appearance and the death of Rebecca Park. So Rebecca Park
for those who aren't familiar, she was a thirty eight
week pregnant woman and she was reported missing on November fourth,
twenty twenty five. Rebecca had been living with her fiance

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slash baby daddy, Richard Fowler, and was last known to
be with her biological mother, Courtney Bartholomew, who reported that
Rebecca left her home on the night of November third
with an unknown individual in the black Sedan the victim.
Rebecca's phone was found later near the biological mother's residence

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by the biological mother, Courtney and her husband, Bradley Bartholomew,
and it was turned over to the fiance, Richard Fowler.
Investigators reviewed all the phone records of social media activity
location data, conducted interviews with everyone involved, and you know,
basically they where do we start? They know the course

(57:43):
of events. Where do we start?

Speaker 2 (57:45):
So the alleged story we now just heard, and there's
a sister in this mix also, so just for clarity,
we to simplify this. And Rebecca Park is our victim,
only twenty two years old. She was very pregnant at
the time, very pregnant, and we've been he was still
in like two days, yeah, and it was unclear where
where the whereabouts, if the baby were and if the

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baby was alive.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
She is a mother and a stepfather. Let's just call
it that biological because she was.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
A biological correct, a biological mother who she was not
really raised by, no, who sounds like a real nut,
let's also start there. And then has a stepfather who's
a sex offender registered, I might add. And then she
has a baby daddy who they're engaged.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Ish and that.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Guy also seems a little troublesome, who because he was
also having a relationship with Mom at one point, biological.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Mom right back in the day, back in the day.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
And then they have a sister, Rebecca has a sister, Kimberly,
who's also been dragged into this and seems to have
also been hiding evidence.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Right, let's just go.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
So what we now know to be the course of
events based on this after David, which is horrifying.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
It truly is it truly is horrifying, and it's hard
to get through. So the biological mother, Courtney and the
stepfather Bradney Bradney Bradley, in the interviews, they showed inconsistent accounts.
They blamed each other. You know, this affidavit tells us
about how they were blaming each other and I didn't
do this, but he did, and he didn't do it

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but I. You know, it went back and forth and
all these interviews, investigators learned that the biological mother, Courtney,
had told her sister, her sister, that she had recently
given birth to a baby who died, a claim for
which no records existed. Remember I talked about she had
posted the sonogram on TikTok and was telling people that

(59:38):
she had this baby and the nick you who died. Well,
she told her sister this, So she has like this
history that she's kind of like setting up that she
has a baby, but she doesn't, Okay, And she was
not even pregnant. No, she no, not even pregnant, not
even pregnant. Search, So just keep that in mind. Though

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she had told her sister that she had a baby
that was a nicke youu, sirch Warrants revealed phone data
showing the victim, Rebecca, arrived at her mom, Courtney's home
around seven sixteen on November three pm, and that both
stepdad Brad and the biological mother, Courtney's mobile devices were
active in areas linked to the recovery of the victim,

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Rebecca's phone and later the area where her body was found.
So the cell phones were placing them together at the
scene where her body was found. Okay, So you know,
they bring him in for questioning because they're finding all this, right,
they bring him in for questioning, and as he's interviews continued, Courtney,
the biological mother, and the stepdad Brad each accused the

(01:00:42):
other of being responsible brad First, Brad is a stepfather.
He first claimed he was uninvolved, and he later alleged
the biological mom Courtney was responsible, and eventually admitted he
witnessed Courtney cutting the baby from the victim, Rebecca, while
she was alive. While she was alive, he reported helping
dispose of the infants remains in a cooler, placed inks,

(01:01:07):
placed in the garbage bags, and then put it in
a residential crash receptacle, as well as helping discard the night.
He also confirmed cleaning blood from the Ford F one
fifty truck. The biological mother Courtney's statements changed multiple times.
She first denied involvement, then requested immunity and witnessed protection,

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and eventually gave conflicting explanations that alternated between blaming Bradley
and partially implicating herself. At various points, she stated brad
the stepdad, acted alone, stating she tried to save the baby,
admitting cutting the baby out and acknowledging knowledge of the
disposal of the cooler, knife, and other items. She also

(01:01:49):
later admitted the story about the black Sidan was fabricated.
Remember she said she got into a blackcident and said, mom,
this is something I have to do now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
When she missed there or she's also trying to throw
her own other daughter of the bus, right, so she
takes the fall and cuckoo mom who had also been
search googling looking for ways and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Sort of brad the stepdad.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
They were doing their own little Google searches about how
to remove a body, how to do a sea sex sarium?

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Yeah, this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Can you imagine these two maniacs are doing a sea
section on their living twenty two year old daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Rebecca. Now, we're going to continue moments. There's a lot
more to get into, so stay with us. We're going
to continue on. This is true crime Tonight. We're talking
true crime all the time. And again, don't forget our
trigger warning and I will repeat it at the top
of the next segment. Tick around true crime tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. Staff here with Courtney and Body,
and we're hearing a very difficult story. Rebecca Park. We've
been following this case very closely. New developments today, I'm
out of basically this document that essentially gives the timeline too.

(01:03:11):
How sweet, Rebecca Park pregnant twenty two years old, about
to give birth in mere days.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Anyone who's given birth, you know what those final days
are like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
It's all you can think about is nesting and creating
a home for your baby. And yet her home, her
biological mother and her stepfather couldn't be anything further from that.
They basically lure her to the house and as we
just heard from you body, they get in his f

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one fifty truck, a stepdad's truck, and then you know,
only horrifying things happen from there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
I just want to give a quick trigger warning. This
case involves graphic violence, port your harm to a pregnant woman,
and the death of an unborn child. Listener, discretion is
strongly advised, especially for those sens of the violence against
women or prenatal harm. So again, this eighteen page probable
cause Avid David was released today and we learned a
lot of details. And I had been going over the

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inconsistent statements between the biological mother, Courtney, and the stepdad,
Brad their statements. They're both in custody right now. They're
they're being charged, of course, with the murder of Rebecca Park,
Courtney's daughter. Oh my goodness, not our Courtney, by the way,
Armstrong's name and the associated right. So, Kimberly, Kimberly is

(01:04:34):
Rebecca's sister, okay, and Rebecca's uh. Kimberly had this this bag,
the backpack, and in the backpack was a bunch of
stuff obviously it's back and it had an ID or
a debit card belonging to like her boyfriend. Okay, Well,

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Courtney and Brad took this card that was in Kimberly's
backpack and placed it at the scene to try to
set up Kimberly her own daughter.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
Wow, can you believe that, I'd be shocked if it
weren't becoming fairly clear what she did to her either
daughter victim Rebecca Mark.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Right, right. So they also took a knife from the
sister's backpack and placed it at the scene. The stepdad
told investigators that the sister had taken Rebecca down a
two track and believed Rebecca was dead. He claimed the
sister needed to get Rebecca out of the picture. I mean,
they're just trying to set up, you know, Kimberly in

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this situation. The sister of the biological mother, Courtney, said
that the sister had posted online accusing the biological mom
and the stepdad, and in response, the stepdad, Brad allegedly
said Kimberly needed to be quote unquote taken down to
retaliate or redirect suspicion. Courtney and Brad used Kimberly's belongings

(01:05:59):
to plant over the biological mother. Courtney told investigators that
Kimberly the sister, sent her coordinates of Rebecca's phone. Right,
so Courtney says, she gets these these coordinates from from
her sister, and you know, basically it's all made up.
The goal was to suggest that the sister knew where
the phone was, right, implying involvement, but of course Kimberly

(01:06:24):
didn't have anything to do with it. So they look
at all the phone records, the travel routes, all the interviews,
all the inconsistent statements, all the physical evidence, and it
led to detectives to conclude that both the biological mother
Courtney and her husband Brad were involved in the events
leading to Rebecca's death. Their accounts varied, but ultimately both

(01:06:45):
provided details pleasing themselves at the scene, acknowledged actions taken
after Rebecca's death, and offering information about efforts to dispose
of evidence, and of course, you know the sweet baby.
The investigation is established probable cause to charge both with
multiple offenses, including premeditated homicide, felony, murder, torture, conspiracy, assault

(01:07:08):
of a pregnant individual causing miscarriage or still birth, unlawful imprisonment,
and removing a body without a medical examiner authorization. Now,
the autopsy of Rebecca revealed six sharp force wounds to
her back, arms, neck, and face. One wound penetrated her

(01:07:30):
lung and her abdomen of course, was cut open, and
the stomach contained a blue green, chalky residue.

Speaker 7 (01:07:38):
I don't know what that is. It's that residence.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Maybe we can just a little queasy. It's getting details.
Yeah yeah, jump ahead, by the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Way, if you're just joining us, we're talking about Rebecca Park,
the young twenty two year old pregnant woman who appears
to have been murdered allegedly by her own mother, biological mother,
and stepfather.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Can we get to the why? Yeah, so harrowing. What
they think is that the biological mother, Courtney revealed that
a month prior, Brad had researched c section online and
stated he was going to cut the baby out of
Rebecca right in front of Richard. Again, Richard is the

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fiance and baby daddy of the victim, Rebecca, because Richard
Fowler previously reported Brad for a sex offender registry violation
the previous year. So again they're all sex offenders. Okay,
they're all sex offenders and the baby daddy, Richard and
Brad the stepdad had beef, okay, and get revenge. To

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get revenge on Richard the baby daddy. He was going
to basically cut the baby out of Rebecca right in
front of Richard, is what they said.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
But somehow Richard got left out of this plan. Here
comes Rebecca going no mom and going to go see
her biological mother. She comes rolling in Stay's stepdad and
Stepdad's like, hey, hop in the truck.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
They take her to this you know, desolate place.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
They perform the most hideous acts on a young woman
that a person could possibly do, then leave her for
dead and then try to pin it on Kimberly, the
other sister.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
I really think the motive is probably revenge on Richard
from Bradley's perspective, but I really think the biological mother, Courtney,
wanted that baby and that she had set up that
TikTok and you know, I was pregnant my babies and
that Nick you and all this stuff in order to
have an excuses why she had this baby, because she
really did.

Speaker 7 (01:09:35):
Before she was showing like ultrasound photos. Right, It's like
she seems a little obsessive, right, the child in a
weird way.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
In a very weird way. She was like obsessed with
being pregnant. And I remember on TikTok Kimberly had said
that Courtney was like Barren, you know, and Courtney freaked out.
I'm not you know she anyway, I really they're all liars.
So we'll find out, you know, soon tomorrow. They have
a probable cause hearing, so well maybe we'll learn some

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more tomorrow. Again, that's a ten thirty Eastern Standard time. Okay,
onto another case, Courtney, what do you have? Well?

Speaker 5 (01:10:15):
Anna Kepner, whose case we've been following for quite a bit.
She's the eighteen year old Florida teen who very sadly
was found dead under a bed in the cabin on
a carnival cruise back on November seventh of this year.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
All of this happened during a family vacation.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
Now, the victim of Anna Kaepner's death has been ruled
a homicide due to what's called mechanical exphyxiation. It is
a type of strangulation. This has prompted an FBI investigation.
Now Anna Kepner's sixteen year old step brother, he remains
a federal suspect, however, he has not been charged now.

(01:10:57):
While this is going on, separately, custody hearings are continuing
amid really heightened family tensions. So on the cruise ship
with the victim, Anna Kepner, was her mother and her sibling,
and her stepmother and her step siblings, including her sixteen

(01:11:20):
year old stepbrother, who again is a suspect, though he
has not been charged. Now Friday of last week, a
Florida judge confirmed in court that the sixteen year old
is again officially a suspect, and this has been after
he's been a person of interest for quite a bit,
so this is changing to a suspect is a change.

(01:11:45):
The suspect is currently living with relatives in a secure
and undisclosed location that apparently is known only to his
parents in law enforcement, and he can only be removed
from this place with consent from both parents. Now Anna,
Anna's father and stepmother reportedly sent the suspect sixteen year

(01:12:12):
old stepbrother to live with relatives in order to remove
any danger to any of the other children in the home.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Of course, Oh my gosh, yes, obviously, yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (01:12:22):
Would do right, because there's multiple children blended from both sides, right,
and we're hearing from We're hearing from Anna's biological father
for what I believe is the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
I think you're right, right, Yeah, And.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
There's he has a lot to say about Anna's stepmother,
chantal who suggests, who suggests charges me eventually be filed?

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
What's that? What is he saying? So what he's saying?
Excuse me? I just lost my mind with all these
step parents. Yeah, I know, I can jump in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
So just Anna has two parents, right, One of them
is her biological father who remarried the stepmother. That's who's
on the cruise. Also on that cruise is biological dad's grandparents,
you know, his parents, So Anna's grandparents. Then there is
the step son and the step children.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
Moving on. Step son, the accused sixteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Old, has a biological parent of their own. He is
a biological father who has also remarried this young man's
stepmother and this so you follow. So Anna is dead
and now the accused is her stepbrother stepbrother and not
the accused.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
He's a suspect because he's underage. He's sixteen years old.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
This suspect has a biological father and a stepmother who
are now entering the conversation for the first.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Time, and they're in this custody battle over them exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
And what we're hearing is that biological dad of accused
step son has been alienated from his children and his
son specifically, And we've also heard that from the other
side because we know Anna, the victims biological mother not
on the cruise, was also allegedly not invited to the

(01:14:27):
wake our funeral and she had to come in disguise.
So there's some alienating happening in this co parenting agreement
on all sides, which is really confusing, right, So it's
adding another layer here. So this young sixteen year old
who's now a suspect in his stepsister's murder, I guess
we can just call it that aboard this cruise ship,

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given that he was the last person seen with her
in that room, and there's been many reports.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
To suggest he's the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Dad is stepping in to say, look, I haven't been
able to see my or talked to my son in
forever because everyone's holding him hostage and it's clearly having
an effect on him. I'm reading that he's a suspect
and a murder. At this point, I need some access
to my son.

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
That's yes, exactly. Thank you very much for writing that.
There's so many players, no pun intended.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
I did not know. Yeah, there's just a lot of players.
It's hard to momo.

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
But this biological dad of the suspect, his name is
Thomas Hudson. As soon as the news broke of this tragedy,
he filed emergency custody motions and he claims that his
ex wife, Chantelle, the stepmom who was on board, have
put their son's future in jeopardy. He also claims that

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because he has had no impact into his son's life,
that it's totally impacted this sixteen year old who.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Is now a suspect.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
Also, the father claims that the sixteen year old son
was taken on this cruise without his knowledge.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Oh so, not only is he alienated from his son's life,
he's saying that the alienation from my son's life is
causing problems for him. And I wasn't even informed they
were taking him on this cruise and out of the
country in international waters crowd, which it's a pretty foul ball. Yeah, yeah,
you're not supposed to do those kinds of things, right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Yes, even in the most contentious scenarios, you would hope
that all bets are off when it comes to travel
in general safety and just having general access to your child.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Not everybody wants access, but if they do, you know, sure, right.

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
And in terms of the relationship between the victim, Anna
Kepner and her you know, sixteen year old step brother,
the suspect, it depends on who you listen to, because
stepmom describes the tea's relationship and this is in court
as the closest of friends and like three amigos. Anna

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Kapner's grandparents who are on the cruise described the pair
as two peas in a pod, so that they were
very close. So you know, from their accounts, sounds lovely
and close. A dissenting voice is the victim, Anna Kapner's
ex boyfriend.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
But I take this with a mountain of salt.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
But he has been in the press speaking with reporters,
including outside of the victim's memorial service, that she didn't
enjoy spending time with her stepbrother and had some unsavory
things to say. But again, this was not in court,
and this was not on any kind of her record.

Speaker 7 (01:17:49):
Right, So it's and this is an ex boyfriend, you said,
that's right. Yeah, So okay, I see why you take
it with it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
He made it seem like it was a creepy kind
of situation. I mean, again, to Courtney's point, it wasn't
in court. It's you know, so to you with the
mountain of salt, right. Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
So the next court date will be coming up on
the seventeenth of this month, and at that point, the
suspect's father, Thomas Hudson, he is expected at a contempt
hearing after filing a motion alleging the permission of taking
the children out of the country on a cruise.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Is going to be big. Oh yeah, wow, that's something. Well,
stick around, We've got more to dig into. We've got
a few more talkbacks to get into, and maybe we'll
have a little gossip, sessh. Stick around touring.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Tonight, Welcome back to True Crime Tonight. On iHeartRadio. We're
talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here
with Courtney Armstrong, Body move in, and of course the
gentleman in the control room. We're having a pretty wild

(01:19:02):
debate about how gruesome is too gruesome, And by the way,
please let us know what you think, because some of
these cases, you get into it and you start talking
about them and you realize, wow, this is a lot
to take in right now. And sometimes they're back to
back which might be hard to follow, and then suddenly
you feel queasy and there's twenty six people involves like

(01:19:23):
thirty thousand family members that you're supposed to track. So
we do really try to keep that simplified. But you know,
if we're not doing that, will you let us know,
or if it's just too gross at times, let us
know and we will listen and definitely want your feedback.
It's also important stuff to talk about, so tell us

(01:19:44):
what the line is.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
In fact, let's go to a talk back right now.

Speaker 11 (01:19:49):
Hey, my name is Ryan, I'm from Evansville, Indiana. I'm
just listening to you guys talking about the metadata and
I've got a funny story. My former post is Indian
and work to go to India for his sister's wedding,
and I wound up having to work the entire time.
And they he was supposed to come back, we got

(01:20:10):
a phone call, Hey, I can't come back. My mom
and dad were in a horrible bus accident and they're
in the hospital. And I was like, oh, wow, that's horrible.
It's too bad. That's so bad. So do whatever you
gotta do. Take care of it. I'll cover it. I'll
cover your ships. Don't worry about it. I wound up
working for like three four weeks straight while he's in
India taking care of his mom and dad. Well, he

(01:20:32):
comes back and he asked me to download his pictures
from his phone to the office computer and then email
them to him. So I'm like, okay, no problem, I'll
hop you up. So I'm doing it, and I click
on this picture of his mom and dad. I equipped it,
just checked it, and I said, date came up on
it and they were sitting around the fire, just like

(01:20:54):
dancing and drinking and able to having a good time.
But the fire the picture was four days after he
said they had been in this horrific bus accident on
the wild streets of India wherever, and uh yeah, so
he got a busted is a and he no longer

(01:21:15):
worked there. We all had to work like four weeks straight,
a month straight with no day off while he's out
parting in India with his family. But hey, I love
the show, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Right, and such a good juicy story. And Ryan, you
must have been like suspicious, why did you write click
on that photo? You must have known, like he must
have been feeling. That's exactly what Menadita does. Though, Listen,
it never lies and people always forget about it. Like
just as Ryan kind of described by.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
The way, you cannot kill off loved ones, no fire,
no buses, to tend to be sick, because you'll get
if for me at least, because I've done it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
You call it. I'm very sick, not here, of course,
but in an earlier dum or day.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
And you know, and I guess guess what happens? You
get sick two weeks later and nobody else so at it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
So always you know how many times does that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
I mean, I literally cannot do it because I'm like,
don't say it, even tell everybody that we work with,
don't you don't have to lie. Just tell us what
you need. You can have a personal day. You just
can't make it today, like you can. Actually, just don't
kill anybody in your stories, because I feel like it's
we have karma.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
And it's incredibly bad. Ryan, if you're listening, I would
like more details, like I know, I mean I would
really I would love to know how you explained it
to your boss's boss, Like how did you explain it?
Did you show them what the metadata was, like did
they understand I need the tea, send us a DM

(01:22:49):
or something I need to But yeah, that talk about
reaping what you sew.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
I mean, you know, you give your parents a disfiguring
bus accident and there you go, you're out a job one.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
That you are out. What do you feel the guilty it?

Speaker 11 (01:23:04):
For me?

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Wouldn't you feel bad if you knew your crew had
to be working around the clock and you were just
straight up lying about being in the hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
That's terrible. That's terrible.

Speaker 7 (01:23:17):
Yeah, that's not good.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
But we've all all into work. We've all done it.
Everybody listening, I know we've all done it. God knows
I have back in the day. But again, you learn
the hard way as all lessons in this life.

Speaker 7 (01:23:29):
Right, but at least for that, I would never blame
it on another person. I would never say a family
member of someone is ill like I would. I would
go with like a pet that doesn't exist before that,
like oh, fidoh got hit by the bus. I don't
own a dog. But one thing I would say a family.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Member, one thing I would used to do, and I
would start.

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
So in TV it's a lot of freelance work, so
you start jobs and jobs go.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
They come up and down all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
So when I would start a new job and I
knew that March eighteenth would be sometime I would be working,
I'd say, oh, you know, I have a pre scheduled
doctor's appointment on March eighteenth.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
Who knows why.

Speaker 7 (01:24:09):
March March eighteenth.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
I feel like I should know the answer. Day after
St Patrick's Day. It's the day after Patrick's Day. I
would just say, hey, look, you're starting your job.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
And even we probably had this conversation at some point,
because it is true. It's a national holiday in Courtney
on Strong's World, and I just say listen. I don't
ask for a lot. But the day after Saint Patty's
I party my brains.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Out and I'm not going to be much good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
I want to take that as a personal day, and
I'm saying it now in advance. I would respect that
I fives stories.

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
Yeah, yeah, this is many moons ago when I was
still capable of being out and partying.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
My face, I have one drink and I'm like dancing
on the tables, like you know, I can't do it anymore.
But I would respect that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Yeah, me too, and I would want it to be real,
like I would expect some metadata.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Dancing on tables came back with no voice.

Speaker 5 (01:25:04):
Imagine if I'd made up some for cock to whatever
instead of saying I'm going to a party, I'm not
going to be on the show.

Speaker 7 (01:25:15):
That's funny. But well, I'm glad that situation was resolved
with the boss getting which was due and deserved. Do
you want to go to another talk pack that brings
up tonight?

Speaker 12 (01:25:27):
Hi? True Crime to Night Molly. Here, I'm listening to
the episode about all of your Christmas trees, and y'all
are breaking my heart with the artificial tree. We have
a Christmas tree farm in Pennsylvania, so I understand why
people do artificial but you're killing me here killing me.
There's nothing like a real tree. I agree, support your

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local farmers, and there's actually a lot of environmental benefits
to a real tree versus artificial. I will bore everyone.
I just wanted to say, breaking the heart, Merry Christmas,
Happy holidays to everyone.

Speaker 9 (01:26:01):
One.

Speaker 12 (01:26:02):
Let's all be married in these crazy times. Take care.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
She's right, she's right. I love this message.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
By the way, I two artificial trees under my belt.
I can say this one's officially rooted at me and
I love it. And you know what, yesterday I noticed
just around the corner as I was doing drop off
that there was this local tree and the people were
coming out the trees, like, you know, put on the

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car single So I'm like in a new town. I'm like, oh,
getting the tree off the car and then putting it up.
It just seems like the beginning of a really bad movie.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
But maybe not. And maybe I had to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Just go smaller because it was wonder smell of a
real tree.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
This is a dumb question. I have a dumb question.
I wonder if you can buy a real tree, but
just like the top of it, like maybe the top
foot of it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
I don't understand why Because it's just easier to manage
and getting it in tiny and I can put it
on my car, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
Like that's not a dumb question, and you can well
you know, listen, I can't speak from whether it's just
the top of it or wicked small trees, but no,
because I have in my day purchased real small trees
that fit inside my like a like a like a
one foot like.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
You know, like this big one.

Speaker 6 (01:27:25):
But Mollie, Mollie, you have picked my heart out and
you are so and it's such a really good point,
and I'm going to give you my promise that I'm
going to get a live tree from that place that
I saw this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Yeah, you just hit so true. We don't think about that, right,
We think.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
About the convenience, the easy, the instant access.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
Oh it showed up at my house. I didn't even
have to go to Target to get anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Right, So we don't really think about the this is
all your your this is your big moment.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
You're selling the trees time and then here we are
saying the beautiful Pennsylvania Christmas farm tree list. Okay, I'm
gonna give you a picture. I promise I'm going to
give my word on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
There is a live tree in my future room for
the more trees, the better this year I am.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
I am claiming Merry high Water.

Speaker 7 (01:28:29):
I agree with you, and I think I'm also gonna
I wasn't gonna get one, but now because of Molly,
I am going to get.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
I can you know what I can envision Taha's tree
being super elegant. It's gonna be all like Golden Band tree, right,
it's all.

Speaker 7 (01:28:51):
I like that uniform. I think it would be beautiful.
But no, to Molly's point, a real tree keeps their business,
so don't worry.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
But it smells good. It smell so good.

Speaker 7 (01:29:05):
It helps the scent, it helps the environment. I think
in some ways too, So I think it's a win.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Unless you're mean it's gonna smell like pine and urine
because Yogi's gonna pee. But if I got a small one,
like a one and a half footer table, yet, we
got your back on this one. And you're so right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
And by the way, if you're one of those people
and I've been there, I've been there many times, I
might add where you're like, I don't know the tree thing.
It seems like such a mess and what a hassle
and putting up it's just me or I'm in an
apartment or or or or or I'm just straight up
not feeling the holidays this year. Frankly, I can't get
out of the bed, let alone think about getting a
damn tree and decorating that tree.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
It actually can seem.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Very overwhelming and sad. And I hear you, but this
is not the time. This is the year. Everybody needs
to get out of the bed and let's get a tree,
even if it's a little, tiny, tiny little one. Ideally,
according to Molly, we should get a live one, and
I support that, but like, there is something to not
cheating yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
To a little cheeriness.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
We're so easy to We're like the last ones we
think about is ourselves. You would love it if you
could blink your eyes and it was suddenly there. It
just seems like a huge hassle, right, So let's all
pretend we're going to Molly's farm in Pennsylvania and bring
it in the cheer and it's also take out your cocoa,

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a couple of stomping the boots with the snow out.

Speaker 7 (01:30:38):
Our entire team to get together and do something like that. Maybe, yes, something.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Or something. Hotsider is my favorite. You could use some
hotsider right now? That would you? I would kill No,
I wouldn't literally kill would I would really love some hotslider.
It's my favorite in the whole world old and I
grew up in Michigan and there's cider mills, like very
famously there, And oh, can't we get that at Starbucks? No,

(01:31:08):
they don't have that. They don't. I don't think.

Speaker 7 (01:31:11):
Oh did you do your lemon ball medicine ball?

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Yeah I did. I did, but it didn't really help
because it wasn't like a cold I didn't have.

Speaker 7 (01:31:18):
For those who don't know, Starbucks hasn't. I think it's
an off menu thing. If you're sick, you asked for
a medicine ball.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
And it's peach, it's peach t it's mint tea hot lemonade,
and I think, honey, it's so delicious and it's so good.
You just asked for a medicine ball. They hate making them,
but they do make them. I love how the tips
and they have.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (01:31:46):
I'm not annoyed like you have, like a skeptical and
skeptical of the medicine ball from Starbucks.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Yes, I am really, I like.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
You're really the antill I can't imagine.

Speaker 7 (01:32:05):
Ye. Yeah, I mean I'm to your point.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Holistic.

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
Yeah, the holistic properties of the Starbucks.

Speaker 7 (01:32:14):
I just think it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Makes you feel better. I don't think it's like it
just makes you feel. It tastes good and taste.

Speaker 7 (01:32:21):
It adds a lot of calories. But you know when
you're sick. That's when I'm sick. I eat whatever I want.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
That's one I'm telling you. One time I was I
was down, I had like I was down bad. Okay,
it was like two years ago. I had like six
medicine balls in four days. I was cured, cured.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Wow, point right here A love for you, Courtney. So
can we just do some fast predictions? What do we
think is going to happen in the Brian Walsh a guilty,
wife killer, guilty. This can happen any day, right, So
we're we're probably weak out, so we'll be following it
every day at this point. But you think he'll be

(01:32:58):
found guilty of murder and this guy's walking in three years?

Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
No, okay, No, I don't believe it's going to be
a member.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
He couldn't even check out without assistance on every single
item he scanned. There's no way he's getting away with murder.
No way if he's if he gets away with this,
it's not moving, it's it's it's you know she died now, well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
No, it would, but I know, but that's what would
be this, that's the claim he's making. But I think
the judge and hopefully the jurors will see past.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
They will, I assume I think they will. And then
what's going to happen with Luigi?

Speaker 7 (01:33:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Luigi.

Speaker 7 (01:33:40):
That one's tougher for me to predict.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
I think I think the judge is going to going
to find that the cops had probable cause, and that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Mostly because even if the cops held off on looking
into his they would have found it eventually.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
They would have.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Found it at the you know station in two hours anyways.
So that to me seems like a confusing one. But man,
it's complicated. Play along, you know. Obviously he's back in
court tomorrow. This will be going on all week, so
we'll be following the Luigi case very closely. We also
have new developments coming up on the Epstein files. TikTok,
TikTok the time is coming. The eighteenth is coming up

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real close. So when will these files be released? And man,
we hope many of you are sick, but if you are,
hit up Starbucks apparently for the medicine Bold per doctor body.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
And we're crazy for you. Guys. Thank you for listening.
We'll be back tomorrow. Stay safe. Bye