Who Killed Gianni Versace? Diving into the Serial Killer Behind His Murder, Plus Unpacking the Newly Released Uvalde Documents and Kid Cudi on His Diddy Testimony

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to True Crime Tonight an iHeartRadio. We're talking true
crime all the time. It is Wednesday, August thirteenth. I'm
Stephanie Leidecker here with Body Moven and Courtney Armstrong is
out for the night. But we're being joined by Doronto Fear,
the pop culture true crime expert, because he's going to
be unpacking this Versace story. Remember when Versace was murdered

(00:40):
by Andrew Kunanan. Well, it turns out Deron has a
unique connection to that case. So we're going to do
a deep dive back into yesteryear and really kind of
fill in some of the blanks about that case overall.
And also there's been this new development in the Luigi
Mangione trial. You know, he's very upset about a few things.
There's a legal battle happening behind the scenes right now

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as he awaits his upcoming trial and Uvaldi there's also
been these, you know, incredibly horrifying updates post that shooting.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
That body's going to fill us all in on.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
And look where you have a big night tonight, because
we are finally going to name the screening watching party
book club type thing.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
So again body thought of this.

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Essentially, we're all going to be designated something to watch,
like a documentary or something you know, in the true
crime space, and then we're all going to watch it
in a certain amount of time and then we'll all
discuss it. Yeah, so we have to name it. Apparently
it's a very big deal. Deron has been working behind
the scenes. Ah, it's a very high stakes operation happening

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here tonight.

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A good job giving us cases and suggestions and calling in,
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Speaker 3 (02:15):
In fact, let's go to one right now.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Hi ladies from Australia.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Thanks you for the talk back last week about the
Menendez brothers and Gypsy Rose wondering if you ever talk
about unsolved murders.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
The John Berney murder.

Speaker 6 (02:27):
Has been something that has fascinated me since a kid.
Also for you body.

Speaker 7 (02:32):
No, holy no, true, But we don't really sound like that.

Speaker 8 (02:36):
Yes, we do more like no, which for us probably
is no no.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I don't know the nerve I do that once more, so, Baddy,
are you saying no incorrectly?

Speaker 8 (02:47):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:48):
So I love the way Australians say no. And it's
kind of like an inside joke with my mole cast.
Our production team was all from Australia. They were so
lovely and we would always be bad.

Speaker 9 (02:59):
We would bore very naughty and they would always be like, no,
don't do that, body, or no, don't do that, Tony,
or we know whatever, and so we would always tease
them with the nerves.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I love it an Australian. I a New Zealand accent
and a British accent gets.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Me every time. I like the Irish.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, you know when I try to do an imitation
of any of them, they all say, and let's sound
the same.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
So like a pirate, Well, thank you for the thank
you for the talkback, Hannah. It really does make us
happy because the first thing I do and I connect
is how many talkbacks do we get? You know, we
just we really love the talkbacks, and we love the
interaction with the listeners, and you know, we really want
to speak conversations. So keep it coming, yes, right, yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Again, like I know, we're switching gears to you know,
not the larious topic, but it's important. You know, families
are returning to school, kids are returning back to class again,
and now there have been these new developments post the
Uvaldi shooting. There's now some new information being released. It's
important for us to discuss and.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, you know, lots of records have been released in
regards to the you know, tragic twenty twenty two shooting
at rob Elementary School, and you've Allde Texas revealing you know,
a lot of really undisclosed details prior. These records were
obtained after years long legal battle between you know, various
media organizations and the local Uvaldi government. It feels like

(04:21):
they were really trying to keep this under wraps, right,
The twenty twenty two incident resulted in the deaths of
nineteen students and two teachers, marking one of the deadliest
school shootings in US history. And we learned a little
bit about the shooter's past, which is, you know, listen,
we don't really want to pay attention to him, but
it is important to learn about these people's past because

(04:44):
maybe some of this can be predictive for the future. Course, No,
it's important.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
There are red flags in a way as the hindsight, right,
So I think as if we don't talk about it,
it's just, you know, we're meeting a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
What can we take from it? Just looking back? Right, So,
the shooter name was Salvador Ramos, and he had a
history of inappropriate behavior, including hitting other students and using
sexual language. He also this might this isn't very well known,
but I did an interview with it. I think it
was Fox News about this. He was killing cats, m

(05:16):
h and yeah, that's true, and doing her online. Yeah
he was. He was harming animals. His mom, you know,
was warned multiple times about his behavior, including drawing inappropriate
pictures during class. His mom even reached out to the
police department because she was scared of him. Yeah, disputes.
She turned off his like WiFi, I believe, and he

(05:39):
kind of had a tantrum and she had to call
the police and they separated the two for the evening
and he went to go stay at grandma's house for
the night and then returned home the next day. But
you know, because that's what cops do, they did, you know,
they de escalate the situation. Sure, and that's what happened.
He struggled academically. He you know, was often failing classes.
He had very poor attendance, and he initially or he
actually drop a school. He was bullied at a school

(06:02):
party partially due to his lisp. And you know, he
was in poverty and you know, had a chaotic family life,
and this all contributed to his mental issues.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
He was struggling just generally speaking, right, he was really
left out. Again, I feel like this bully story air
quotes gets used as this origin story that we're somehow,
you know, justifying such behavior. But again, it is something
just to kind of we should all be looking at
the kid that has nobody or feels hyper isolated. You know,

(06:33):
this seems to be a repetitive thing and it's just
something for us all to keep.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Looking for right now. They did have prior contact with
him too. Deputies visited the home on two consecutive nights
months before the shooting due to it dispute with his
mother I think went over one of them. His mother
told deputies she was scared of him and she wanted help.
She didn't know what to do. She kind of felt
like she was at her wits end. Yeah, and what

(06:57):
are they supposed to do? I mean, what are they
supposed to do? Despite all these visits, and you know
there were two, not all, but no effective intervention or
follow up prevented the attack. There's nothing that would have
prevented this from happening.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And sometimes, how do you know, is it just a teenager?
Air quotes being a teenager and acting out. We've all
had those moments. I look back to being a teenager.
You know that you what are you calling out as
a red flag?

Speaker 3 (07:21):
I'm going to tell you. Walking around with dead cats
in the bag, that's a fair and uploading videos of killing,
uploading videos of himself. He made a video. Oh I
didn't know that. That's the idios beyond words. Yeah, Well,
there was a witness that said he uploaded a video.
I don't actually know that he did, but there was
That's why I went on Fox News to talk about that.

(07:43):
But survivors, you know, they really this is the really
sad part. They felt really unsupported by the school district.
A fourth grade teacher emailed the superintendent describing her terror
during the shooting and said no one, no one even
contacted her afterward elsa of the she was a teacher
who survived being shot. So she was shot and she

(08:05):
was traumatized. The district never even reached out to her
while she was in the hospital. She expressed frustration over
the lack of follow up and accountability from the government
agencies and the school leaders. Staff were reportedly asked not
to speak to the media in the days following the massacre.
And to remember, there was a lot of criticism because
of how the cops just sat there for like nine, oh,

(08:27):
it was.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Seventy minutes, and they seemed as though they were not
following the protocol that was practiced. You know, the school shootings, unfortunately,
is something that's a part of the process now. And
it turns out seventy minutes we saw that time.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, we all saw these and read the transcripts and
listened to the dispatch. Well, these are things that we're
learning from the documents. Though there were long standing security
issues with the door locks, teachers frequently used rocks, wedges,
and magnets to prop open the classroom and exterior doors
so they would avoid using the locks. Can you be crazy?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
It's crazy, and you think about it, what's the alternative?
You have to have locks on everything. It's like our
kids are being raised in cages at school at this
point because there's metal bars everywhere.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
And what do you do right as a parent, Like,
you want your kid to be safe, but you also
don't want them to, you know, be terrorized by the thought.
You know that there might be a school shooter. What
do you think? Let us know? Give us a call
eight eight eight thirty one crime or use the talkbacks
on the iHeartRadio app. We'd love your suggestions, Like what
do you do as a parent. I'm not a parent,
It's easy for me to say your and goal a
lot I would do. I have no idea what I

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would do.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Can I just tell you what I thought was astounding
is that there are backpacks that have inserts in them.
They're like basically bulletproof business. It's by the way there,
you cannot they're off the shelves. Yeah, they you cannot
find one if you wanted to. It's there's a huge uptick. Frankly,
since you've all been in this particular shooting, there was

(09:55):
a huge increase in the sales of these backpacks, these
metal backpacks and inserts. It's actually very big business at
this point. And you know, think about it, what do
you do. On the one hand, you know, you don't
want to, you know, petrify your kid, I'm sure, sending
them off to school. And at the other times you
also need to have them prepared. So that's a real

(10:16):
cross section and I think kind of sums up a
lot of things right now, that that is a leading
business that is only a sick right.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
And it's so sad, right. It's capitalism, mass finance, let
me just tell you that. Yeah, So a little bit
of history here too. Nearly four hundred officers showed up
and they waited more than seventy minutes to confront and
kill the shooter, despite knowing children were trapped and injured inside.
Two Uvalde School District Police officers Pete ariondo the former

(10:45):
police chief and Adrian Gonzalez I'm sorry. Gonzalez were charged
in twenty twenty four with child endangerment and abandonment for
their role in the delayed response.

Speaker 10 (10:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I mean, look, and we're not trying to piele on
is their panic involved. You know, it's a hirrowing situation.
You can only imagine. It did seem as though we
know for a fact the shooter got through an open
door that was not secured correctly, So you know, what
is the alternative? But again, it's important to kind of
look at this stuff, unpack it. We don't want to
be labor on something so incredibly sad. But even now,

(11:16):
years later, our hearts.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Are of course, No, I always think of those kids
and those families. I know, I always think of like
the first responders to like the ambulance people like to
go into those classrooms and and get the kids and
attend to them, and you know this, I don't know,
I feel really bad for them and.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
The parents who are waiting to get information, and also
the teachers who are putting their lives on the line
to protect these you know, children. So it's you know,
the ripple effect goes on and on and on teachers should.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Be paid millions of dollars. I could not agree with
you more. Please, Yes, it's so true, million boy? Is
that true?

Speaker 2 (11:48):
So if you have any suggestions about how to keep
you know, keep the school safe eighty eight three one
crime and yet to switch gears a little bit, you know,
I'm sure you're following all things, Luigi. So yeah, it
seems like there's this you know, battle behind bar is
a clerical battle almost between lawyers. So basically, you know,

(12:08):
he had back issues and he has some some stuff
medical medical issues, et cetera, and you know, medical things
are protected by hippa. And apparently the defense is saying that, unfortunately,
the prosecution was given information about Mangione and his health
history that they felt was an overshare and was not

(12:33):
the specific data that they were requesting, and therefore they
are not happy and they feel as though, you know,
Luigi's being violated and that his rights are being violated.
He's going to be back in court, of course, in September,
and you know, many are suggesting that.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
This is going to be a hot ticket item. What
do you think. I think we're going to have to
continue this conversation because we got to go to a break.
That's what I think. Hmmm, it was so quick. We're
going to continue with this conversation and the update on
Luis when we come back, and Dorono Fear is going
to be here. We're going to be diving into the
serial killer Andrew Cananen and the murder of Gianni Versacei,
and later in the show, Kid Cutty has spoken out.

(13:10):
Let's hear what he has to say. Keep it here
True crime tonight, we're talking true crime all the time.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Dorano Fear, our pop culture true crime expert, is jumping
in and pitch hitting, and he's already jumping in overbody
on this Luigi conversation. So if you're just joining us,
please join the conversation eight eight eight three one crime,
and we're talking about Luigi Mangione. You'll remember he is
the twenty seven year old Ivy League graduate who essentially
assassinated Brian Thompson, the CEO of United Healthcare, back in

(13:50):
December twenty twenty four. And he's behind bars, actually in
the same exact penitentiary that Diddy is being held inc.
Is that what it's called the Brooklyn, Yeah, MDC Metropolitan
Detention Center, I think or something exactly exactly. It's also
considered by many to be air quotes Hell on Earth

(14:11):
and listen behind the scenes. Now, his defense attorney is
really saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, there are troubles troubles here,
kind of looking or intimating that there's going to be
a mistrial or seeking something in that regard, because they're
claiming that Luigi's health.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
History was over shared with the prosecution.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
ETNA is the healthcare provider, and apparently they sent like
one hundred and twenty pages of personal health data that
the defense feels the prosecution shouldn't have had and therefore
it's a violation of his rights and I should tell
everybody too.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Though the prosecutors noticed it right away, they said they
didn't even read it right. They claimed they acted appropriately
by not reviewing any of the materials for them the
judge and deleting their own copy. Here's the thing, I
think the argument. I think the argument has merit from
the defense because this I don't think it would be
if if he wasn't accused of killing health insurance CEO.

Speaker 6 (15:12):
But you know what part of this whole case, it's
such an insignificant part of this case, and I understand
that lawyers will do anything to distract and create a
smoke screen. I understand the hippolaws that are supposed to
protect you, but most of those hippo laws don't even
fall into effect the second you go online and get
the DNA test, or whether you want to do an
online pharmaceutical, buy for a zemblance.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Get health insurance, you know, our life insurance rather, you know, so.

Speaker 8 (15:38):
That is all what kind of out the window the
other issue here.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
You agree to that though it's a just.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
Well yeah in the small print, just like you agree
to lose all your privacy your Facebook.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
But what does that change about what he's being accused?
Because Healthcare CEO and the health your company, gave his
medical information to the prosecutors, and that goes to their
he goes to his motive for doing this. It's the whole.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
Case because he said that he targeted him because of
you know, the way the health the health insurance, I
think it praise on its victims and worried about his
mom and his back, so it would prove whether he
was lying or not. But it's an unnecessary element to
this case. And when I find so crazy about this
case is again connecting it to a pop culture situation

(16:24):
is that Luigi became a complete and total thirst trap.

Speaker 8 (16:27):
And women and men, yeah, just lost their minds.

Speaker 6 (16:31):
They dug up photos of him shirtless, they found apparently
or allegedly pornographic material that he had participated in. It
was shared widely across the internet, and it was all about,
you know, the love of Luigi.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
They had lookalike contests for him at bars across America,
and in fact, he's considered like a hero sometimes behind bars.

Speaker 8 (16:51):
The Robin the modern Robin Hood.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, they call him the modern day Robinhood, which is insane.
He literally shot somebody in broad daylight. And while they're
having you know, wet T shirt competitions with Luigi's face
on their T shirts, you know, there's a family and
children who are at a funeral for their father, you know.
And again, he didn't even have United Healthcare, which is
the craziest piece of this.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
And he was the CEO of United Healthcare for a
very short period of time.

Speaker 8 (17:20):
It's not like he was part of the systemic legislation
that the way they run their company and by.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
The way, the healthcare industry, I mean, let's be honest,
we've all probably lived versions of it. It could use
a little overkill, right, it's terrible and frustrating when you're
in it.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
But that is not the answer.

Speaker 8 (17:38):
But it's correct.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
It's basically targeting anybody in the bureaucracy. It's sort of
you know, it's strange when you think back to the
old postal the you know post office shoots, where who
would go in because they were so aggravated for waiting
online and that would shoot the weird post.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
We would go postal.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
That's where it answers and that's where the tag came from.

Speaker 8 (17:58):
So this is sort of a reckoning of that.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
And then if we're going to target everybody, are you
going to target the person who runs the ride at
Disney because it tooks you too long to get on
the ride?

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Like those rides are brutal.

Speaker 8 (18:07):
It's like it's like people relax.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, that is so true. You know, that's why they
called it going postals. You test that the post office,
it would cause such strain emotionally speaking, that people would
use their guns and shoot.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, it was a postal workers.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
That were postal workers because of the repetitive nature of
their job and people going into the Post Office for
fame and glory like it.

Speaker 8 (18:28):
You know, it became, it became a fad.

Speaker 6 (18:30):
And that's the dangerous part of things like Luigi is
that you don't want to create a fad, you know,
a celebrity for his actions, which was cold blooded murder,
like a coward who.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Shot him in the back exactly, exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
And that manifesto.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I know that body, this is your territory because you know,
body loves a manifesto. If you don't know this already,
but you know, even his manifesto what like what a
piece of jump. It really just it didn't even go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
There was no he had the bullets and the oh
we're going to do the deploy. You know, it seems
so well thought out ghost gun.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
But if the story is true and they're hanging their
hat on trying to create a mistrial based on HEPA violations,
that ETNA would be the person responsible for releasing the
information without the so called signature.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
I'm talk about a red herring.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Talk about a ready herring. It is and I but
here's the thing. You know, the defense is now pushing
for sanctions and the possible exclusion of all this evidence
arguing that the state's mishandling of his medical records is
part of a broader pattern of rights violations as a
prosecutor's rush to try Mangion before his federal death penalty case.
This is now again, you guys. This is the state

(19:42):
versus Mangion. This is not the federal case. The federal
case has nothing to do with this, So keep it here,
you know. Manngeon's next court appearance is set for September
sixteenth in New York, where these disclosure issues may play
a role in pre trial motions. We're going to keep
reporting on this, you know, keep it here on True
Crime tonight. If you want to weigh in on this
really controversial topic, give us a call eighty eight to

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thirty one crime or leave us a talkback on the
iHeartRadio app. I'm going to jump into the uh Andrew
Cannnon story. Let's do you guys want to do this?
Are we ready? I mean, I am amy ready.

Speaker 8 (20:18):
You're in talk about another weird thirst trap.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
I know. So let me give you guys a little
bit of background on er Cannon. Okay, Andrew Canannan killed
Gianni VERSACEI that's the headline, Okay, but who was Andrew Cannon.
He was a serial killer connected to five cross country
murders in the late nineteen nineties. I remember it very well,
culminating in the murder of Gianni Versacchi at his home
in South Beach, Miami. Right previous to his killing spree

(20:43):
and eventual suicide. He lived largely in San Francisco and socialized,
right he was you know, he would hang out with
wealthy older gay men in exchange for living like the
super luxurious lifestyle. So Andrew Canannon. He was born in
nineteen sixty nine in San Diego, California. He was raised
by a really religious mother. She was Italian American and

(21:06):
Filipino American father. His name was Modesto Cananan. He was
quite the character himself. His father was not violent as
is usually associated with violent criminals. His father was pretty passive.
He was kind of like a playboy, wouldn't you say,
like a little bit like.

Speaker 8 (21:21):
Well, they're flamboyant.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
There is relative information that he was very abusive to Andrew,
which is the origin story of Andrew Kunanan's psychopath right,
and that is a real question about whether you know
it's the chicken of the egg and I'm definitely I've
said it before on this show. I don't subscribe to

(21:42):
any of that. I don't like an origin story.

Speaker 8 (21:44):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (21:44):
I think that once you have crossed the line, you've
crossed the line. So I tend to discount the history
of what caused it. It's a fascinating topic. But Andrew
was a serial killer. He was in a psychopath and
he did his spree from a place of narcissistic Absolutely,

(22:05):
he was so envious of people and he developed a persona.
And here's another thing. He didn't come from super poor background.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
They were pretty middle class. They had a really nice.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
Home and they and they were an immigrant story, his
mom and dad and they brought and they and.

Speaker 8 (22:21):
They sort of became the American dream.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
Unbeknowing, they had this gay son who in a lot
of ways capitalized on this idea of beauty and sexuality.

Speaker 8 (22:32):
And he became an escort, and he.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
Had done a lot of adult films and he used
his sort of looks that he really believed he was
extraordinarily beautiful. This really became popular from a pop culture
perspective when Ryan Murphy's American Crime drama in the second
season American Crime Story became the.

Speaker 8 (22:55):
Second season, and it was the Murder of Gianni Versall.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
By the way, that is such a good series, the
American Crime Story, and that season in particular is so good.
I thought it was really good.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
It was extraordinary, and Darren Chris's portrayal of Andrew.

Speaker 8 (23:10):
Cunanan won him the Emmy.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
And it was an extraordinary feat It was emotional, and
it really delved into the history of the murderers and
the people also were murdered that were not Jiohnny versacka right.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Because those people matter too, right, Maybe you know, maybe
we should kind of go over his victims, right. So
in April twenty seventh, nineteen ninety seven, in Minneapolis, Minnesota,
the victim he killed was Jeffrey Trail. He was beaten
to death with a hammer. He was a friend of
Aner Kannonen, so they were friends, and I think I
think Andrew Cronin was kind of like CouchSurfing at his house.

(23:46):
Two days later, April twenty ninth, nineteen ninety seven, and
also in Minneapolis, he killed David Madsen and he was
now this guy was Kunanan's ex boyfriend, okay, and he
was shot by the Mississippi River, and they believe he
was taken hostage before the murder. Four days later, he
killed in Chicago, Lee Miglan. Now Lee Miglan was rich.

(24:11):
He was a rich guy, and he was found like
kind of like tied up. So there were a lot
of rumors taped, duct taped. There were a lot of
rumors that he was like, uh, he hired Andrew Canana
to be like his gay lover kind of situation, but
there is no evidence of that at all. The family is,

(24:31):
you know, vehemently denying those accusations that he was gay
or anything like that.

Speaker 8 (24:35):
But Ryan Murphy made that an incredibly salacious.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Episode, so he did.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
Yeah, And when you think about that as a fictional
dramatization of what had occurred, it really.

Speaker 8 (24:47):
Painted a very dark picture. And the wife.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
Was was was incredibly offended by that portrayal, right.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Right, she was. And then five days later, on May ninth,
in Pennsylvania, he killed a cemetery worker, William Reese, and
stole William's car and drove it to Miami. And in
July fifteenth, so a couple months later, the victim there
was Gianni Versaci and we all know that story, but
we know the other victims are important too, and we

(25:18):
wanted definitely to pay attention to them as well. And
so it's kind of interesting how it started out that
Andrew was killing people he knew, and then he expanded, right,
he expanded his you know, terror to people he didn't know.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Listen, we're going to come right back too, So listen,
drawn more on this. We're still going to be covering
this Versace case and we haven't even scratched the surface
yet now, so stick with us. This is true crime tonight.
We're talking true crime all the time, and we're joined

(25:57):
tonight with our favorite pop culture true crime expert Duran.
Oh fear, the great and powerful and wonderful Duran. So
we're talking a lot about Versace and the Andrew Gnannan case,
and Douran has this very unique connection to this case.
You'll remember the Miami Beach slaying of VERSACEI back in

(26:18):
nineteen eighty nine or no, I'm getting a nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
So yeah, where should we take it right now? Well,
I mean maybe we should talk about his first couple
of victims, right, and again, I was saying before the
break that the first two people that Andrew Canon killed
were his friend and then and then his lover Doron
what can you tell?

Speaker 6 (26:37):
Which is really this is a really sad element of
this because Jeffrey Trail, who was the first his first victim, right,
and let me just paint a picture about Andrew per second.
So Andrew his own visuals. He thought of himself as
somebody who was of superior genetics. Visually, he thought he
was the hottest person in the world. And therefore anybody

(26:59):
who had snubbed in any way, shape or form, there
was something wrong with them.

Speaker 8 (27:03):
It's the it's the it's the narcissistic disorder. And he's not.
He was not a very big guy. He was like
five eight, right, he.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Was kind of on the Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't
all in particularly strapping in any.

Speaker 6 (27:14):
Way or or physically imposing. But Jeffrey Trail was a
former US Navy officer. He was somebody who was strapping
and Cunanan blodge him to him, you know, with a
claw hammer. And as the story goes, he was having
an affair with David Madison separately, and David Madison was

(27:35):
the one person that you know, has allegedly been the
person who had tried to to to emotionally connect with Andrew.
And that was the murder where they they supposedly David
Madison had figured out that Counan had murdered Jeffrey, and
they went on a road trip as if to escape
and go on this sort of you know Bonnie and Clyde.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
If you will, Yeah, that's why I would describe it
Bonnie and Clyde.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
Yes, And he wanted and Conan was sort of he
realized at that point that there was no going back.
And when David began to sort of figure try and
figure out a way out is when he had murdered
him by a lake.

Speaker 8 (28:11):
And there's a really beautiful full episode.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
Of Ryan Murphy's The Assassination of Gihonny Rossacci that was
actually directed by Matt Baumer, and he had done that
episode specifically to show the heart behind the victim of
David maddis the sctimization of David Madison, and that's one
of those must watches. And I'm not trying to sort
of again sensationalize this, but that's where Ryan Murphy got

(28:35):
it right, I think, And it was brutal and savage,
and that was really the beginning stage of his rampage,
and then he went on to murder this this this.

Speaker 8 (28:48):
Multi millionaire Lee Miglin.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
Right, and then he then the William Rees thing and
the William Rees think has just popped up in the
news again.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Right, because exactly the son of William Rees, his name
is Troy. This is interesting. Troy said. Just days before
his father's murder, his dad warned his family about Cornon's
killing spree after watching him on America's Most Wanted. Because
after the murder of Lee Miglin, the cops figured out, okay,

(29:17):
this guy, you know, Andrew Canannon, needs to be taken down,
and he went on America's Most Wanted. So this is
what Troy shared. Troy said, my dad was watching America's
Most Wanted a few days before his murder. He warned
us that Andrew Cannanan was on a killing spree. Now,
when you hear that, you think, oh, he must have
known him. No, there was no connection between William and
Andrew Cannnon. William was just like a cemetery worker. And

(29:40):
Andrew was traveling south again. He was in Minnesota, and
then he murdered two people in Minnesota. He started traveling
south right to Chicago where he murdered Lee Miglin, and
then in Pennsylvania he ran across this William Reese guy
and murdered him for his.

Speaker 8 (29:56):
Car apparently was for the truck.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, exactly, like a getaway vehicle at that point. Well,
you know, Troy has shared too. Troy, the son of
William Race, expressed deep frustration over the lack of attention
given to other victims other than Versace. Right, because it's
always Andrew Cannan, the guy who killed Versace. Will know
Andrew Cananan killed five people, like, you know, he's not

(30:19):
just killing Andrew Rossachi. He said the other victims were
forgotten except for Versace. Nobody remembers the other victims. It
makes me feel frustrated. Everyone says, oh Versace, but they
forget about me. They forget about the rest of the victims.
And he's kind of right, you know. Yeah, and the.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
Fact that, okay, let's go back to William rece for
a second. So he stole his red truck. Now I'm
going to circle back to this red truck thing for
a second. But there's a lot of non information and
we get into ideas of conspiracy and all of that.
We do know that Andrew Kunanan was an escort and
that he believed that his beauty and his sexuality came

(30:59):
at a premium. And so the question was what was
his connection to Lee Migland? What was his connection? Is
there a world where these were closeted gay men who
had made contact with Andrew at one point and so
that there was a connection. The FBI and the story
that came out around it always said no, no, no,
But it does raise the question because Lee Miglan was

(31:21):
tortured and brutalized in a very BDSM way.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
He was and he was found like bound may SM
mean for for us Layman's in the room with the BDSM.

Speaker 8 (31:34):
Bondage uh sato masochism basically is.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
What it is. It's an angel.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
It's the kink behind sadism and masochism. So you know, King, Yeah,
that's exactly what it is. Bondage, domination, maxicism, BDSA. So
the sadness about all of this. So then he goes
on this run, right, so he steals this red truck,
and that red truck then does the follow up episode

(32:01):
of America's Most.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Want America's Most Wanted exactly.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
Now picture this, It's nineteen ninety seven, Andrew Canannan goes
to the place that he thinks he's going to blend
in the most beautiful populace in America, which is now
at the time, South Beach, Miami, of course, where he
feels he will not be noticed amongst this crowd of
beautiful models that are running the streets on Ocean Drive.
And this was an era of supermodels, and this was

(32:26):
a moment in time where South Beach was the pinnacle
of the American riviera. Now, Gianni Versacei moved to South Beach,
fell in love with its bohemian nature, bought a mansion
on Ocean.

Speaker 8 (32:37):
Drive, which, by the way, if you don't know what
Ocean Drive is, it's all hotels.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
And this was an old hotel that he then bought
in an Italian Renaissance way and wanted to live amongst it.

Speaker 8 (32:46):
Were you no, Gianni Versaci.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Oh, Gianni Versati, Okay, I'm sorry, I like what oh sorry?

Speaker 8 (32:51):
Sorry bad?

Speaker 6 (32:52):
No, no, my bad, And Gianni Versacei was amongst the
people in Miami at the time. He would just walk
to News Cafe which was four blocks up and have
his coffee every morning, and Miami was a moment in
time that was extraordinary because a less celebrities, fashion designers,
supermodels were all walking amongst the normal people of that
lived every day. And the night scene there the hottest

(33:14):
scene in the world, and the night scene there was extraordinary.
I was living in Miami at that time, and I
was running nightclubs and I was a club, a front
door impresario.

Speaker 8 (33:24):
Right, So I was the person picking and choosing you
to get in.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
And this is the time yeah before where you would
you couldn't buy your way in.

Speaker 8 (33:31):
This wasn't bottle service.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
You have to look a certain way, right.

Speaker 8 (33:34):
Oh yeah, I picked and choose. That's why i'm That's
why I'm a This is why I'm a casting.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Do that's why you're casting? Duh? Oh my god, it's
such the same thing. I didn't even put the two together.

Speaker 8 (33:43):
It's yes, It's how I developed my eye.

Speaker 6 (33:45):
So what's fascinating about this? So I was working at
a club called Liquid. Liquid was owned by Madonna, and
we were running the door and this unassuming boy walks
up to the door, makes his way to the front
fairly confident, and shoves his way to the front of
the Velbert rope and he's like, excuse me, excuse me.
And I looked at him, you know, sort of with

(34:05):
a smirk, because you know, I mean the set on
this kid to come up that way, and he's just like,
I need to be inside. And I said, oh, do you?
And I said, well that's nice for you. And he said,
you know, don't you know who I am? And I
said no, I don't, and he goes, I was the
king of San Diego in the gay scene. And I said, well,
you know, although you know LGBT are welcome, it's not

(34:27):
a gay night and you're sure you're in the right blaze.

Speaker 8 (34:29):
And he said, oh yeah, I need to be inside.
I need to be a part of the VIP. You know,
it's funny.

Speaker 6 (34:35):
His look was not something that I would have spotted
in the crowd, to be honest, he didn't set himself
apart from anyone else. But I his confidence gave me pause,
and so you know, I you know, I smirked, and
I said, you know, all right, you know, so I
threw a man on him.

Speaker 8 (34:49):
I let him in.

Speaker 6 (34:51):
And now there's sort of an alternative story here that
he was searching for Gianni, because you know, Gianni would
go to liquid often and he would be in the VIP,
but that wasn't the case that had happened.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Wow, so you're listening, did your crown tonight we're getting
the inside scoop on Andrew Cananon's shenanigans in Miami prior
to the murder of Gianni Versaci. If you want to
weigh in, give us a call eighty eight thirty one
Crime or hit us on the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app.
Please continue. I'm literally our seats fear.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
Okay, So he goes inside, right. I didn't really pay
too much attention to this. It didn't really register to
me anything about him. About thirty minutes later, he comes
back outside and he's like, excuse me, tranks me on
the shoulder.

Speaker 8 (35:31):
And this is a time when you don't touch a doorman.
You don't talk to a doorman. Like, I'm not trying
to sound super egomaniacal, but.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
There's your rights to this. They're scary.

Speaker 8 (35:39):
And so I could turn around, I see him again.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
I kind of look down on him because he's petite,
you know, and I and so I said what and
he goes, I need to get into the VIP, and
I said, well, you're not getting into the VIP.

Speaker 8 (35:51):
I don't know you, and thanks for coming. You know,
I camped you in. I thought you were funny. Now
I'm finding you relatively annoying.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
People tell this, they say that he would have murdered me,
but you know, I, you know, what's funny to me
is that I didn't. Again unassuming in a way. Now,
I gotta give credit to where credit is due. There
was a sort of a level of confidence or gumption
of it, and he had a chip on his shoulder.
Now simultaneously, this is what's happening in Miami. The next
day was the assassination.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Oh my god, it was a night before, the.

Speaker 6 (36:22):
Night before, and that's where I being on the ground,
Suddenly I see it all over the news and they're
saying that there was this man hunt and that the
FBI had known that Andrew, that Cunanan was in Miami
and operating and was potentially looking for his next victim
because they found the red truck at the parking lot
on Collins Avenue.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
That's cool. In fact, the gay community in Miami was
very critical of the FBI for like not warning them.
They felt like, in fact, they did it on purpose.
In a little bit of a way.

Speaker 8 (36:51):
They tried to bait it, right, but.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
They were basically trying to lure him into a certain
scene potent so that they knew that they could probably
catch him.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Well.

Speaker 6 (37:03):
Yes, and then there was all of this backstory that
you know, he had this secret affair with Gianni and
that he had gone down to find Gianni Versaci after
a supposed meeting in San Francisco.

Speaker 8 (37:12):
All of this was never substantiated.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, and there is no move to be true. Yeah,
I always thought there was no connection.

Speaker 8 (37:19):
Well, this brings me up to the whole conspiracy concept.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
But allegedly, you know, do we know that Gianni had
ever contacted him through some sort of a portal of
male escort services.

Speaker 8 (37:28):
We don't know exactly, but we do know that he.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
Was in Miami at the same time, and they have
bions and and all of the police bodies had been
sort of looking for this because they found the truck,
so they knew that he was in the vicinity.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
So they knew he was in Miami for a while.
And they didn't do anything, but they would I mean,
I'm sure they were looking for him, right.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
Okay, So now murder happens by one of the most
famous figures in the fashion industry in the house of Versace, right,
he's found shot point blank execut cution style on the
front of his stairs in the morning, in the early hours,
with a dead pigeon next to it, which is symbolic

(38:08):
of a mafia hit.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
And Doronto Fear, our true crime pop culture expert is
here with us, thankfully, and he's giving us a little
scoop on the Andrew Cunanan case. You'll remember he killed
many Versace, being the most infamous of them, back in
Miami Beach in nineteen ninety seven, and Doran had a
very close connection to this case. In fact, he was
working the door at the nightclub that Andrew Kunan in

(38:33):
the killer.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Allegedly allegedly allegedly was at the night club the night before.
So Douran continued, had us at the edge of our seats.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
Okay, So where I leave off is that Gianni Rossanchi
was murdered execution style with a shot clean shot to
the head and a pigeon was found next to it,
which is a tailtale sign of a mafia hit. Where
the question started happening now in real time, was that
you find this body of a world famous celebrity murdered

(39:03):
gun down on one of the most busiest streets in
Miami Beach. Celebrity death is not common in Miami at
this time. And now you've got swat teams, the FBI,
the world is clamoring for information about who did this.

Speaker 8 (39:17):
And this is where I'm going to go into a
conspiracy theory here.

Speaker 6 (39:20):
And if you did watch Ryan Murphy's take on it,
he sort of alluded to this, which I found very
interesting when watching it because it gave me a check
mark in my head being on the ground at the time.
And again, my connection to this is obviously, you know,
just it was a brush by, but I like to
take sort of you know, liberties he could have.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Been, you could have been a target Doronto fear. Thank goodness, anybody.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
Was for him because you know, you know, okay, well
I'm alive, so.

Speaker 8 (39:47):
Notckwood. So here's where he gets interesting.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
So the conversation begins with Donna TULLIVERSACEI and at that time,
the Versa the House of Versace is a Italian fashion
house which was bill on the backs of Gianni. But
it is a family operation and he was going public.
She wanted to go publish she wanted to take the
House of Versace public, which would have been worth a

(40:11):
billion dollars at the time, and Gianni was adamantly opposed
to this. He was absolutely not. The other thing about
this is you're talking about a very pious family Roman Catholics,
and they did not appreciate that Gianni Versaci had now
been living this life in Miami.

Speaker 8 (40:26):
That was very open LGBT proud Wow.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
He was the first person to ever release the male
supermodel book Men Without Ties, which featured men and paid
them accordingly to the female mark. And you know, his
notorious parties A La Ditty parties were infamous in Miami.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Did you go to any of those parties?

Speaker 8 (40:48):
I didn't. We'll keep that out of there, but they
were infamous at that time.

Speaker 6 (40:53):
And you know, the question was was Andrew Kunanan involved
in this or was he at one point had a
brush with it. The point is that nobody really knows
because no one's ever seen him there before.

Speaker 8 (41:03):
I had never seen him before.

Speaker 6 (41:04):
And I had seen pretty much everyone in Miami because
they had to come through my door at one point
or another. Now, I'm not being an expert in this,
but then the theory is is that he was assassinated
by the mafia at Donna Tella's request.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Stop it, Groano fear. That's the conspiracy. That's not.

Speaker 8 (41:24):
The conspiracy.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
And I can tell you where this rumor began because
there was a book in twenty ten attributed to the
former Nagarita member who claimed that the murder was ordered
by the calabri In mafia. But I can tell you
that at the time, everybody talked about this assassination, the
dead pigeon, and that it was very convenient for the
Miami Beach Police Department to lay it on this They
knew Cunanan was there, and how convenient would it be

(41:46):
that they it was wrapped up very quickly, never to
be heard from again. And we don't know because Cunanan
committed suicide and his body was found nude on a houseboat.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
On a houseboat very close to where you were living
at the time. So I'll hold that thought again.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
We don't want to cut you off, Dron, but edge
of our seats, We're going to be right back, and
don't forget for anybody listening at home, we want to
hear from you.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Also. We have a very big night.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
We are choosing the name of our screening club or our.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Book club whatever we're calling it.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Oh, there's no books involved, actually, but this is true crime.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Tonight, we will be right back.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Please stick with us. Our trailer for The Idaho Massacre,
the final season, just dropped tonight, so please check it out.
We're really looking forward to you hearing it. And I'm joined,

(42:38):
of course by Body Movin. You'll know her from our
podcasts and also from Donuf with Kats, the Netflix documentary,
and also doron opear. He is our pop culture true
crime expert and he's been filling us in about this
versace Ah, that case from nineteen ninety seven where Gianni
Vassaci was murdered allegedly by Andrew Kunanan, who later took

(43:00):
his own life, and Doran sort of insider experience. During
that case, Douran was running the doors. It's actually when
I met Doran. In fact, I was working for a
local news station and Doran was working the doors at
all of the nightclubs. The lines were around the block
and I used to have to go up there and
ask him what's doing and he would part the ways

(43:21):
for me and I always appreciated it, and we have
stayed lifelong colleagues ever since. So yes, Dorn and I
just want to be high edge of our seat.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
As titillating as this conspiracy theory is, the rumor that
Dona Tella ordered gianni'ssassination is entirely unsubstantiated. The family came
out publicly to sort of stop this, but it is
something to think about, and I, you know, if there
wants to give us a talk, pack, I would love
to continue it.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
By the way, it's a very scary allegation though, when
you think about it.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
This is his sister.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
So the idea that it's being put out there that
Versachi's sister took his life or put a hit on
him as is pretty intense. I was always under the
impression that they were extremely close. Andrew knon I think
it was Andrew. I have my own connection to Andrew knanan.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Let's hear it. While it's not really to him, Luca
really loved him, Luca mcno I could see how that
is all right. Mcnaa also thought he was you know,
his genes were great, and he was he called himself
the King of Canada, right, so just like just like
and he was an escort just like Luca, Andrew was

(44:28):
nothing and he wanted to be something. And I think
he killed Versace to get his name in the paper.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
But you know, but Andrew kunan and had an interesting background. Right,
So he was raised in a very kind of affluent household, right,
Wasn't he raised around some extravagance, which always sort of
surprised me.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
It wasn't. As though he was seven he spoke seven
leven language.

Speaker 8 (44:47):
Yeah, by the time he was twenty one, he was
well educated.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
And he had a paper high IQ by all accounts, Yeah,
he was not. He was not a dumb guy. But yeah,
that's the that's the Andrew Kunanan story. If you want
to weigh in, give us a call eighty eight thirty
one Crime or hit us on the talkbacks. Darn is
dying for and Andrew Canaanan talkback. I can see him
making Google. We have a talkback now.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
If you haven't seen the assassination of Johnny Brissaci, it's
a must watch.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
It's so good. It really is so good. So we
have a talkback.

Speaker 11 (45:19):
Let's hit it, Hi, ladies, today is talkback Tuesday that
I'm listening to. This is Stephanie from Pennsylvania. And you
guys were talking about Diddy and how he's not really
out in the public eye right now, so to speak,
like out in the media. We haven't heard anything about
his sons, and they're pressing charges that they have against them.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Can you fill us in? Yeah, so much wit, such.

Speaker 12 (45:44):
A good work.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
I just love you guys. Oh that's so sweet.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Thank you for listening, and such a good You have
a great, great speaking voice.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
It sounds very familiar at this point.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
So, yeah, we have seen some quiet times in the
land of Diddy, except for Sean Ditty Combs, who of
course is now serving time behind bars and is waiting
for his sentencing hearing to happen. It's looking like later
in the year there is some back and forth. He
has slapped News Nation in his former associate, Candice Burgus,

(46:15):
with a one hundred million dollar lawsuit, claiming that he
had you know, there was defamation involved. You'll remember this
former associate basically said that they had tape of these
freak offs and that Didy was, you know, being with
underage girls and all kinds of allegations that were apparently
on videotape, and then those tapes never really substantiated. Remember

(46:37):
nobody ever came in defense of Ditty or really overly
spoke out from his camp. Right, that became a very closed,
very closed case.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
So we're curious.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
You know, he had filed this fifty million dollar lawsuit
back several months ago, back in January, and now he's
just upped it to one hundred million, and we are
hearing from his attorney. Like we mentioned last night, Garret
goes that he's hoping for some sort of a pardon
from Trump and that even though did he has had
some disparaging things to say about the President, that he

(47:12):
would pledge his allegiance any time. And we are all
kind of waiting to see. And as far as the
other lawsuits, nothing has changed. They're still sort of pending.
But there has been this very quiet time and I
have to assume that's by design.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, but what about the Suns, the sons, Yeah, like
nothing has changed yet.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
They're all still a waiting in their in their various
different cases. But we haven't inserted any new allegations that
have come forth and none of them have been dropped.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Wow. Well, I have an army hammer hammer story. You
want to get into that. Yeah, Okay, so disgraced do
you guys remember Armie Hammer. Of course, so disgraced and
after Armie Hammer is making headlines again after claiming on
a podcast that he marijuana roofed Johnny Depp okay while

(48:03):
they were on a press tour together in twenty thirteen.
So this is kind of interesting. So in a recent
podcast episode, Armie Hammer recounted a twenty thirteen incident where
he says he got co star Johnny Depp extremely high
before a prece event for the Lone Ranger movie, leading
them to be kept apart for the rest of the

(48:23):
promotional tour. The story comes in as Hammer continues to
make headlines for his real you know, like his past behavior,
including bizarre hunting rituals and addressing past allegations.

Speaker 6 (48:35):
So he said, this is this just sensationalism because he
didn't actually roofy anybody. Now, what he did was he
got him so high that they separated him because you know,
he's a troublemaker and he's the bad influence friend. Now,
I'm not trying to protect Armie Hammer here in any way,
shape or form. However, the House of Hammer documentary series

(48:57):
on A and E is one of those documentary series
that I watched that.

Speaker 8 (49:01):
I had a ton of criticism about.

Speaker 6 (49:05):
It was so sensational in a way that it basically
evisceraates him before there was any kind of real investigation,
of which later that investigation was then fully dropped. The
main person that they talked about they talked about without
her consent, and the interviewers that were on it, one of.

Speaker 8 (49:24):
Them that was so compelling throughout the whole thing.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
Only at the end does she actually say, I'm so
glad I never met him.

Speaker 8 (49:32):
So it was all about this sort of fantasy.

Speaker 6 (49:36):
Back and forth of back to the BDSM King of
dark fantasies, And the truth was, did he ever really
cut off a pinky and eat it?

Speaker 8 (49:48):
Did he barbecue a rib? So it does yeah, because
I'm a little.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Like, okay, listen to this. A couple of years ago,
maybe like two years ago, I got a message on
TikTok and the lady was to me, did you see
what Armie Hammer said about you? And I'm like, excuse me,
I swear to God Doron I'll send it to you.
And I said what, and she said yeah, go look.
So she sent me a link and I went looked,

(50:13):
and sure enough he was texting somebody I don't know
who and saying, oh, I just finished watching don'nuf with Cats.
I got really turned on and the girl was like
what and he was like, yeah, episode three really turned
me on, and I was like, it was episode three
about unfortunately. Episode three is the episode in don'no with
Cats spoiler alert and trigger warning where Luca mcnatagh kills

(50:37):
Juan Lyn, he dismembers his body and cannibalizes him. I
was like, I don't know what to say about that.
I will say, I swear.

Speaker 8 (50:49):
You have just literally, I just I'm I'll.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Text it to you this, so okay, I will say this.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
The podcast called Painful Lessons with Tyler Ramsay is really
about recovery and sort of life after difficult times. So
I didn't hear it personally. This is the first time
hearing about it. But I have to assume there's some
sort of redemption conversation at the heart of it.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
I don't know what he said on the show. He said,
but is that a crime?

Speaker 8 (51:16):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (51:17):
Is it really criminal to have outrageous fantasies if you
don't actually act on them. Now, I'm not defending and
if there are women who suffered.

Speaker 8 (51:27):
Essay at his hands. It breaks my heart. And the credible, the.

Speaker 6 (51:32):
One that had actually had the video, that had really
claimed the credibility and filed the lawsuit. There's a lot there,
but ultimately it never really went to trial. And that
documentary made it seem like all of this was real,
and I felt like it was an assassination job. And
I just think it's the responsibility of us of bloggers, broadcasters,

(51:53):
documentarians to tell a critical thinking story. And I'm not
saying you have to defend the other side, but at
least you don't highlight somebody who just had this conversation
the whole time that leads up to what's supposedly going
to be a horrific.

Speaker 8 (52:05):
Meeting, only at the end to say I changed my mind.

Speaker 6 (52:07):
At the end, I'm so glad I never met him
after reading these texts, right, no, you know what I mean,
And even as somebody who watched it unfold on the screen,
because if you watch the documentary, it shows that the
texts exchange the people who were receiving the text from him,
where he starts to sort of groom or you know,
hit on sort of this darker material. They start to
like it, which basically gives him the acknowledgment to go

(52:30):
to the next level or to continue the conversation. You
don't like it, hang up, disconnect, ghost block.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yeah, I got no problem.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
So true, And I think the spirit of it was
that he's claiming that he was very inebriated.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
I would assume. Yeah, I don't know if you know
what to say here, Let's go to a fun talk
back because the cannibalism stuff, I just can't. I just cannot.
Can we hear it?

Speaker 13 (52:55):
Talk about Hi? Un bras love the show. I'm really wondering.
And I know this is a pretty off top of question,
but I really couldn't put it off. But what kind
of do you recommend while watching these dock ah?

Speaker 3 (53:15):
What do we recommend? Chips? Oh, I can tell you that.
I can tell you that too. Listen, yeah, flame it
not Chito's lemon, and you have to eat them with
chopsticks otherwise your fingers are gonna end up reread. But
I'm obsessed with them. I swear to got all my
weight gain is from flaming chitos.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I have the greatest tip that I somehow saw and
I don't even know who to credit for it, but
it is so delicious.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Two things.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
One obviously just having some tortilla chips and putting cheddar
cheese on it and microwaving it for one minute and
having nachos.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
But also if you take cottage cheese.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Which I know sounds disgusting, just a vat of cottage cheese,
and then you take sour cream rice cakes, the little
mini ones, and you dip it.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
I promise you it is. I'll try it.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
If you like sour cream and I love sour cream,
you just take those little mini rice cakes, the sour
cream ones and dip it into the cottage cheese and
it is a delicious, healthy snack.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Well, I need those because I need and diet. Listen,
if I die, they're going to open me up for
autopsy and it's going to be diet coke and blaming chitos.

Speaker 8 (54:17):
I'm just I'm just a fan of the smart pop
white cheddar.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Oh those are delicious.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
It gets almost in your hands, though you have to
like sit with like a warm paper towel that's already
wet beside you.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Correctly, I love those popcorns. Great ques, really good question.
Maybe we can get us he listen if Flamingla Chitos
wants to sponsor me for the show, the Documentary Club.
You know, we'll promote it on the A.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah, I went from cannibalism potentially to oh god, yes, listen.
We're also going to be right back because there no
Fear is sticking with us and we're going to switch
gears to a different tale. And also, don't forget we
have our big naming woo the poll.

Speaker 8 (55:09):
The Documentary watch Club.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Okay, wait, you can't call it that because it hasn't
been called that yet.

Speaker 8 (55:15):
That's the general name. That's not the title.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Oh I think that should be the title, but again
I'm not giving my idea way. We're talking true crime
all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Body Move In,
and we're joined tonight by Doronto Fear, who was our
pop culture true crime expert. He's been talking a lot
to us about this, Andrew Kuonan, and we're putting that
to bed I think officially right. But here's what's not

(55:39):
going to bed quite yet, because it has been a
really the day has been a flutter talking about this
screening club we're going to have. This was Body's original
idea now dorn is jumping in and trying to take
credit for it. They were battling out behind the scenes
here in the studio. Tah, break them up, break them up.
But listen, we have to name the club, so just

(55:59):
for the rules and so you know what we're doing here.
So once a month, we're all going to be assigned
I assume by one of the two bosses of the
show right now, which who's going to choose?

Speaker 3 (56:07):
I think body.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Let's say Body will choose what documentary or project or
show or something a little I don't know, a video
play of sorts that we're all going to watch and
we all collectively will have X amount of time to watch,
and then we can all create a swell by discussing
it and talking about it real time, so that way
we're not spoiling anything for any Why.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
That's the idea.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
We don't want to be a spoiler alert central and
also some of the stuff is really fun to talk about,
so we.

Speaker 8 (56:35):
Also want to get engaged.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
Were the listeners to get involved with this so that
weekly It's well, why we keep saying book club, because
it's the most equivalent thing that people would reminisce. So
whatever the documentary is you must watch at least X
number of minutes of a movie or the exa.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
It could be a movie. Does it only be a documentary?
Can be a movie?

Speaker 13 (56:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:55):
In scripted series, yeah for sure, talk.

Speaker 6 (56:57):
About it and so all of the juicy behavior and
we'll leave online just.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
I want to read the book based on that's fine,
or it has to be to be the okay, So
there's no reading involved.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
There's no reading. Okay, I'm not doing hey boo and
the reading. Oh right, everyone's so outside the reading. So
we have a lust of names rights.

Speaker 6 (57:18):
You guys did a shout out to this and we
got a ton of responses and I had to narrow
down hundreds of these, and since I am a pop
culture expert, I was like, well, what really resonates me? So,
as Rupeaul would say, I think I'm going to help
make the final decision, but that's not actually true.

Speaker 8 (57:32):
All I did was narrow it down to the top ten.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
You know, I love a list, so I'm going to
start with first one being I'll stay on theme.

Speaker 8 (57:39):
Popcorn and perps.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Popcorn and perps like per perpetrators.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Oh, popcorn and perps, not like you said, perks I
was like perks.

Speaker 8 (57:49):
Individual bite sized moments, have fun.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
Killer, Watch Party, Okay, True Crime and Chill Murder.

Speaker 8 (57:58):
They watched Deadly Viewing, Sleuth, Stream, Stream.

Speaker 6 (58:05):
Of Suspects, Watch Club, Final Two, Truth, Real Society, trs,
and Documented Minds.

Speaker 8 (58:15):
Oh what are your thoughts? Wait?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
I have one that's not even on the list. Okay,
so what about crime Watch?

Speaker 8 (58:21):
Okay? Did you send it in? Did you follow the rolls?

Speaker 3 (58:26):
So let's throw in crime I think crime Watch? That's
my vote?

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Could I add my screwing up the game already? Sorry,
I'm already putting a curveball into the game. Well, I
know I'm supposed to choose, So I choose crime Watch,
which is also not on the list. But now we'll
have eleven to choose from how exciting those eleven? We
pick one that we like, and that's what people are
going to vote on. Is that what's not going to happen?

Speaker 8 (58:45):
Yeah, take you one, and then we'll narrow it down
to those.

Speaker 14 (58:49):
We'll have these view and now our viewers audience the audience,
so the listeners will pick the best one.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Is this American idol going to listen? I'm going to
do number three True Crime and chill. I get it.

Speaker 8 (58:59):
She's staying on brand.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Yeah, I'm saying a brand that I mean Neflix. I'm
still what is yours stand for? Again? I don't know
why I can't get this one in my head.

Speaker 6 (59:06):
The one that I want to me honestly, and I
think that it's it's again cheeky and pop culture related.

Speaker 8 (59:11):
Is Murder they watch?

Speaker 3 (59:12):
That is pretty cute. I like, pretty good one. I agree,
what about you? That's a tough one. Ta, how was
your vote?

Speaker 14 (59:18):
I kind of like the watch Club. It was just
pretty easy.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Crime Crime Watch, So listen, Sovanila, I know, but what
can I say?

Speaker 6 (59:30):
You know that's watch Club and crime Watch are two
different ones. Stephanie Yours's crime Watch. The audience wanted watch Club. Okay,
we've got those. I'm on Murder they watched, and body's
on murder, crime and chill.

Speaker 14 (59:43):
Okay, in Ta, I'm gonna go with watch Club as well,
like I'm gonna go with watch Club and I like
Crime Watch. I'm torn.

Speaker 8 (59:50):
So those are the two. TikTok and do we want
to You.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Gave a little wins though, Okay, so you like Okay,
It's fine. I don't mind losing.

Speaker 8 (59:59):
I'm I want to hear, I want to hear.

Speaker 11 (01:00:03):
Yeah, I might have to go with body on a
true crime and chillun you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Know, yeah, that's that's so true. There's nothing about saying
a little crime watching.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
I'm killer watch Party.

Speaker 8 (01:00:17):
That was my second choice.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Sam, My second choice is popcorn and purpse. I think
that's pretty cute too.

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
I also like the acronyms. So if you're going with
Killer watch parties w and if you're going with watch Club,
it's just w C.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
You guys are the enthusiasm and excitement and a feeling it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
At home and that you're all getting at your Freeto's
and your Cheetos and your popcorn and your cheddar cheese
and your sour cream chips.

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
We want to hear from you, guys, which would make
you excited and would be a part of our secret
society of documentary watch Club enthusiast.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Speaking of society, what happened to Red String Society?

Speaker 8 (01:01:00):
That was one of these I canceled that one. Why
I didn't, well, I'm sorry about it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
And I understand that true crime lovers automatically go to
a place where they say, oh, the Red String Society
of connecting that red string between the pictures on a wall,
and you know, I went to like Noma stay Yoghi's
kind of smelling like Julie.

Speaker 8 (01:01:21):
Sort of the haabalah of it all, and I felt
like that, Okay, wrong way to go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
That's a good point. I didn't think about that. This
is why Doran, who is with us tonight thankfully, along
with Stephanie and myself body movin. You want a weigh
and give us a call eighty eight thirty one crime.
But that is why Doran is the pop culture expert,
because I didn't even think of that. So thank you,
thank you for having I can tell you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:42):
I can tell you that I'm getting a text message
from a family member that says that they're listening I
guess live, which is crazy, and they're saying they like
they think it should be called the crime Scene Collective.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Ooh, I like the crime collective. I like crime scene
Collective too, But I have a friend that runs an
organization called crime scene Collective. Did Oscar vote behind the scenes?
Was there a secret ballot by Oscar as well?

Speaker 14 (01:02:05):
Unfortunately he was not a part of this, but he
told me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
He texted me he loves he did Crime Watch. No, he.

Speaker 8 (01:02:14):
Very seek Okay, well we need we need to we
need to cross.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
To make sure that please, he's on my phone is
blowing up right now, everyone's.

Speaker 8 (01:02:20):
Calling Crime Crime Watch, bringing up the hook. Just don't
mind everyone. Let's go in the top five now, top
fin cri.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
No, I don't have a single text from my friends.
All of my friends are fired. Okay, I just want
you to gays know, No, nobody's texting me anything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
I mean, honestly, they need to get their priorities together. Honestly,
let's name this club and call it a day.

Speaker 8 (01:02:42):
Okay, So what greeting kids?

Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
What's in play for the audience to send the time
so quick? It's watch Party, Crime and Chill Murder. They
watched Watch Club, right, I watched the.

Speaker 8 (01:02:55):
Crime Watch Crime Watch. Yeah, there we go. That's the
top five. We gotta all there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
So what are we going to do? We're going to
do ada on social media? Is that what we're doing.

Speaker 14 (01:03:05):
What we're going to do is we're going to post
this on social media, all five of these, and now
all of our listeners will be able to choose the
one that they think. Whoever, which everyone gets the most
vote that's the title of what we're going to call
this club.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
I just want everybody to remember who I am, and
I will find out if you vote against me. Oh
you can vote against me. I will find what happens.

Speaker 6 (01:03:23):
Also, somebody as somebody who's at like you know, who
does comic conventions, I can get you secret to coder rings, hats.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
And oh you could. Also you want to be cast
on the next reality one new Hitch show. What are
you casting right now?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Darn?

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
What do we need to know about?

Speaker 8 (01:03:38):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
Well, I'm currently casting incredible singers for American Idol.

Speaker 8 (01:03:42):
We're going into our.

Speaker 6 (01:03:43):
Penulptuous season and I'm looking for sixteen to twenty nine
year olds who have the voice, the charisma, and the
ability to win American Idol in the hearts of America. So,
if you are a singer, know somebody who's a singer
who sings in the shower, sings while washing dishes. It's
your daughter, it's your your aunt, it is your son
in law. Please send me that information. Hit us up

(01:04:05):
and you can find me in my socials and I
will arrange a producer direct interview. So that means that
you are not going to the open call you don't
have to wait online.

Speaker 8 (01:04:13):
I am the VIP.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Oh my goodness, the drum roll please you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I'm the document I was sitting with an American Idol
casting director. She would be freaking out. My poor mother.
She just loved American Idol.

Speaker 6 (01:04:28):
Man And if anyone's watching something lighthearted, are You the
one is coming out? Sorry, I actually miss stated that
my Are You my first is coming out on Hulu
premieeres August eighteenth, and that is a show about virgins
and whether they will find love and maybe change their lives.

Speaker 8 (01:04:45):
Actually, Hulu premiering.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
On the eighteen, So it's a love show.

Speaker 8 (01:04:50):
It's a love dating show. Yeah, and it's extraordinary. The
cast is incredible. You should watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
I'm so excited. And it's going to be on Hulu.

Speaker 8 (01:04:55):
Hum h August the premieeres.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
We'll have to check five for the screen baby party.
I was just gonna say, maybe that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:01):
Could be part of us. It's not a true crime, yes, you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Know yet you know many reality stars do you know
any reality stars are committing crimes? Like for real? Like
so many?

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Not me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
I'm not one of them. But if anything, my castmates
are listening. Watch out you might be next. Don't pulliny
shenanigans because you might end up in the news on
my show and you don't want to be on my show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
We are doing a couple of stories that do center
around the reality world and some of the crimes that
have been committed in and around or because of so
definitely more on that to come, and again we want
to get your vote. We also want your opinion, so
eight eight eight three one crime. Can leave us a
message or a talk back, or hit us up in
our socials. And remember, if you've missed any of the show,

(01:05:46):
you could always catch it right after as a podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
So we really appreciate you listening and more importantly, thank
you for your vote. You'll be right back with you
ran no fear Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
We've had a lot of debate about this new screening
viewing club that we're trying to start, so we definitely
want to hear your answer in your vote eight eight
eight three one crime. Please jump in anytime. And also,
you know from our previous talkback we were talking a
little bit about Diddy and any new developments in that case.
And worth noting is that kid Cuddy who infamously really

(01:06:30):
had to speak out against Ditty. I'm this you know,
infamous trial, right. He testified, you know, just as a reminder,
he was Cassie Ventura, who is Ditty's ex girlfriend's ex boyfriend,
meaning after Ditty she started dating Kid Cutty, and you know,
his tail was pretty harrowing if you recall. Basically, he

(01:06:51):
said that Ditty was almost hunting him and essentially accused
him of lighting his with lighting his car on fire
with the Maltov cocktail, and that when Kid Cuddy got
back to his home, he felt as though Diddy had
been in it and was threatening him, and all that
really led to a lot of nothing as we know.

(01:07:12):
And I guess Kid Cutty is officially speaking out and
saying that he is cutting all ties with those times
and all ties with Sean Combs, and you know, he
wanted to stick up for Cassie Ventura and felt as
though he had to and kind of wants to wash
his hands of all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
What do you guys think about that? Listen? You know
how I feel. I don't care about Diddy. I just don't.
I don't care about the Diddy story. I don't care.
I just I don't know why. I just don't I
don't care about any of these people. I know it's stupid.
I know that sounds terrible. I mean, listen, she's I do.
She's living her life. She's got a beautiful family. Like
I'm happy for her. But I just I just don't

(01:07:50):
have interest in these those kinds of things. I don't
know why, but I just don't. I know that makes
me boring, but no.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
You're the faest thing regards God topic. So like, there
a talkback we can go to. Right now, let's do
the ooh, let's do it. You want to do talkback roulette?

Speaker 13 (01:08:06):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Let's go right now. Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Hi, all, this is jessper again from Newfoundland, Canada. Movie
for having the body language expert on and thanks for
asking every question that popped into my head during that episode.

Speaker 8 (01:08:19):
As well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
With regards to.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
Gypsy Rose, there is a podcast called Blink episode thirteen. Specifically,
they did an interview with a representative from the Munchausen
Support Association and it gives me a different perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
When I'm listening to you guys talk about this. Yeah,
that's the check out easy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Munchausen's disorder is a real mess and if you're not
familiar with what that is. That's you know, it's typically
mothers to their children that are seeking some sort of attention,
sympathy for them and therefore attention.

Speaker 8 (01:08:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
So in Gypsy Rose's case, you know, her mother, very overbearing,
was with her twenty four hours a day, was saying that,
you know, Gypsy was suffering from all of these ailments
of which she was really suffering from none, and essentially
was making her sick so that mom could get a
free house or be it is not of as a
saint right, so her saintly motherhood and dealing with this

(01:09:14):
sickly child and exactly giving her the best life and
making her out to be the mother of the year
kind of situation.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
So yeah, no, I'll have to check that out. I
never I haven't heard that podcast off. Yeah, thank you
for sharing, Thank you for sharing. Yet and I love Nufie,
I love Newfoundland.

Speaker 8 (01:09:29):
Well, I was just like a give a shout out
to Newfoundland.

Speaker 6 (01:09:32):
My favorite Broadway musical is Come from Away and it
is the story of the nine to eleven planes that
landed in Newfoundland.

Speaker 8 (01:09:42):
And it's so strange topic.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
To have as a musical, but it is so beautiful,
so heartwarming, and it's such an incredible musical, and it's
actually available, you can watch it.

Speaker 8 (01:09:53):
I do believe that it's.

Speaker 6 (01:09:54):
Either on Disney Plus or on Apple Plus and you
can watch the entire musical.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Didn't the resident events that where the planes land like
the residents in Newfoundland offer their homes.

Speaker 8 (01:10:04):
Up to me? It is an extraordinary story that I
knew nothing about. And if you watch it, it'll uplift you.

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
It'll make you love Newfound Nound, It'll make you love
the people of Newfoundland.

Speaker 8 (01:10:14):
And it's an incredible musical.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Yeah. New Fees are great. I love them. I like
the way they talk. I'm very shallow. I like the
way they talk. Let's go to another talk back.

Speaker 7 (01:10:24):
Hi, ladies, missus Amanda from Misseri, I was just wondering
what your opinions were on allegedly all of the inmates
that are in the jail that Brian colbergers in and
even though he's in solidary confinement, that they are using
the event to allegedly harass him and make stabbing noises

(01:10:49):
and stuff like that. I just didn't know if you
guys had an opinion. Personally, I think even though he's
in solidary confinement. I think it's a little deserved off
of what he did to those poor victims in the
surviving roommates having to live with that trauma. That's just
my opinion, but I didn't know if you guys had
any takes on that either.

Speaker 15 (01:11:11):
I don't agree more.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Yeah, I agree one thousand percent. Let him be, you know,
sleep deprived. Is that what he's complaining about. It's been
really tough for him because he's not napping enough. So
Brian Coburger, who is the now known killer in the
Idaho massacre, if you haven't been following along his fellow
inmates in this very scary prison that he finds himself
in for life four times over, is complaining about the

(01:11:36):
noise and the inmates seems to really be rallying against him,
and I think it's great and I eat it up.

Speaker 8 (01:11:42):
They are bullying him.

Speaker 6 (01:11:44):
I was just reading a story about it that he's
complaining about the fact that he's being bullied by the
other inmates.

Speaker 8 (01:11:49):
And my point about that is, what do you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Expect exactly and who cares you kind of give away
that right you are looking at a death sentenced trial.
You haven't given any explanation or information regards why or
who or what like all the things, and now you're
just feeling like you're not getting a good night's rest.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
You shouldn't slaughter for people. Yeah, like, listen, I don't
like Brian Kolberger.

Speaker 8 (01:12:10):
Obviously, no rea for the wicked.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
I don't like him, and I hope you know his
prison stay is terrible and humiliating. However, our justice system
has worked, right, this is the this is how things work.
I don't know have we seen credible news sources on
this yet? Mm hmm, yeah, okay, I haven't checked. Listen,
I've been busy today. Okay, I haven't checked.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Oh oh yeah, no, I mean listen, take off what
it's worth. Yes, it does appear that the inmates are
like screaming through the vents all day. They're all taking
turns and they're just making keep Brian Coberger to possibly
get on. And it sounds like the conditions are a
little bit rough and to Doran's point, you know, there
is no sleep for the wicked.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Yeah, next, talk back, let's do it.

Speaker 12 (01:12:54):
Hi, it's Cricket from Connecticut again. Cricket, I called in
about the La Bianca house and I was actually looking
at it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
It was for rent to live.

Speaker 12 (01:13:04):
In and this would have been back in the late
eighties or early nineties, so yeah, to live in. The
Lost Socca House was actually the house that they used
to practice in order to enter into the Sharon Tait House,
so it was like a practice run. And it was
a husband and a wife who were brutally murdered in

(01:13:26):
the middle of the night.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Right, So she called yesterday, right, and we were wondering,
is it like an Airbnb kind of situation like or
but apparently was you You could live there.

Speaker 8 (01:13:36):
And it's part of the and it's part of the
dark tourism.

Speaker 6 (01:13:39):
They people drive by and take photos and mark their
things and they write healthter skelter like you know, on
their forehead.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Again nuts, nuts, Wow, I would assume it's haunted.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Well, if you want to leave us a talk back
and get on Talkback Roulette, give us a call it
eighty to eight thirty one crime. This is true crime tonight.
We are right in the middle of our favorite thing,
talk bout Acrolett where the control room guys Sam and
Adam just shoot us some talkbacks. We have not heard
these before, so we don't know the questions that are coming,
but we love to get them. So what do we
have next?

Speaker 15 (01:14:12):
Hey, ladies, Stephanie from Ohio just wanted to make a
good comment on the surrogacy case in California. Oh, it's
definitely giving the factory vibes.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Yes, the John Cusack movie.

Speaker 15 (01:14:22):
And it also makes me wonder if they're trying to
superpopulate the earth like the man who has a thousand
Kids documentary on now. But it also makes me wonder
what is the nefarious reason for them wanting to have
all of these kids? Are they wanting to defraud the
government or get into human trafficking?

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
What do you guys think? Yeah, that was my first thought, Stephanie,
thank you for the talk back again, Like that was
my first thought, Like are they raising these children to
be trafficked? Because like this is expensive, It's like fifty
grand a kid and they've got twenty one of them
all eaches one through three, Like, what the hell? What
are they raising these kids for? There's something nefarious here.
I don't know what it is, but my spiders senses

(01:14:59):
are are going crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
What could they not be? Pretty one, it's a yes,
but all of those options. By the way, Stephanie could
be accurate. Those are all pretty good categories, right, Is
it for trafficking of some kind? Are they going to
financially benefit God knows? It must be excuse me, a
really huge amount of money to have that many sarrogates
at one time, so clearly they are not looking for

(01:15:23):
more money.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
They must have quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
We also know that there's a very large age difference
between them, not that that matters, but you know, it's
thirty plus years if I'm not mistaken, or are they
just trying.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
To populate excessively? What is that about? I don't know.
I would we would love to hear it. I want
to follow up on this. I want to keep following
this one, you know, to hustle. I want to I
want this story to kind of be on a radar
because something's going on with that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:49):
I'm going to hope that it's just about love, that
they have the ability to have their own groups. I mean, it's,
you know, staying on the musical theme. It's the Annie
of it all, and they're just adopting the whole orphan.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
But they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
They're getting surrogates. They're like employing the surrogates. So they're
not adopting them, They're like going out of their way
to have more children, not take children.

Speaker 8 (01:16:11):
Well, but they're.

Speaker 6 (01:16:12):
Still having children that are genetically their own. I'm just
saying that they have the ability to raise a bunch
of them all at once. I just want to stay hopeful.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
I like that about you. I'm very like bitter and
like h they're evil and well, yeah, who knows. I
like it. I'm going to air with doron so yeah,
next talkback.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
Hi, ladies, is Nainsley calling from Canada. I'm listening to
your Sunday episode on Sunday morning or sorry, Monday morning.
So sorry that this question isn't just timely, but with
regards to the suspective suicide of Marilyn Monroe, I noticed that.

Speaker 10 (01:16:50):
There's quite a few suspectives suicide.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
And I'm just wondering if you know, if there's any
history or evidence.

Speaker 10 (01:16:56):
That when there's a suspective suicide, does it ever to
like later at all, through maybe government documents or further testing,
that the suicides are then.

Speaker 8 (01:17:08):
Ruled a murder.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Yeah, great question. It's a good question. It has happened
in modern history where they're able to like exuom a
body and like retest something and whatnot. But apparently in
Marilynroe's case, this is not an option. Right. We learned
from Joseph Scott Morgan that these pill casings were in
her colon, and you know that it was probably this

(01:17:32):
overdose that she had might have been done rectily. So anyway,
we don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:17:38):
Again, I'm a conspiracy theorist when it comes to this one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
I hate to say it, but yeah, yes, jumping in
with Court's absence has been Deran and Dorna. It's always
I love having you here. And you know, he's one
of the best brains in the prolific. You're underestimating them.
I mean, it's like I was. I went to as
IMDb and I was like, oh my god, he's He's
done like every very successful reality show in like tele
is in history.

Speaker 8 (01:18:01):
Like my favorite thing to talk about is myself obviously, So.

Speaker 6 (01:18:04):
You know, if anyone's if anyone's really interested, I do.
I've done a series for The Daily Mail and it's
available on YouTube and my second episode of From Cast
to Screen Drop, oh, so you could find it on
that and it actually goes into this history and it
actually has a whole bunch of club footage from the
late nineties two thousands in Miami and how that shaped
my eye on discovering potential talent for unscripted tellivience.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
It was the best South beach at that time. You know,
Miami will always have my heart. What is such an
iconic time. I was such a fish out of water
stepping into this incredible place and like, they're really here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
I look back now.

Speaker 6 (01:18:40):
It was like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Literally in my yellow canary sweater set. But man, I
got cool. Listen, you did not get cool? Okay, listen,
do not let the waited best fool you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
And yeah, there's easier days ahead, and thank you Doron.
I was always cool. So are you well back at you?

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Listen, We're going to be here tomorrow night to make
sure you tune in because we have a big show tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
We have amazing guests. We will be teasing those.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
But also remember we're not here on Friday Saturday, but
we're back Sunday through Thursday, so live each night.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
We want to hear from you. And you got to
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Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
So eight at eight three one crime, make sure you
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looking forward to We're going to reign someone superior here
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We will be back tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (01:19:29):
Bye bye bye

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