October 18, 2023 • 40 mins
The search for Shacaiah continues as John and Deanna begin looking into potential suspects. Theories arise from Jared’s murder as they begin looking at every way possible the murder might have happened.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've heard that there's a house and has some bodies
in the basement. Somebody told you that Hicaia was a
victim of human trafficking.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm come to find out. This is like it exploded
into this huge thing.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I knew, I just knew something was wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Police say thirty three year old Jared Bridigan was shot dead.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I kept calling his phone during the drive. Gunned down
in front of his two year old daughter.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It's a murder of the stun jack speech neighbors.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying
he was targeted.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Eventually, a police officer answered and told me to come
to the police station.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Justice is something that takes different shapes reformed.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
If you know something, heard something, please it's never too
late to.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I
spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in
the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get
animal abusers arrested.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators.
We spent over a year and a half trying to
get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man
that was killing cats online and he was threatening to
move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnauta.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called
Don't Fuck with Cats.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills
to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios.
At the end of our last episode, we were learning
about a couple of new players in the missing person's
case of Chicaia Blue Harding. One person of interest was
a man named Rico.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So of course I have to look at Arica Wallace, right.
Who's this guy?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So I did a search for Ricol Wallace. The first
thing that popped up was Tammy Bear comes Out. Tammy
posted a lengthy post and she said, you know, Chikaia
was at tumble Meat Tumbleweed here in Billings where she
met Rome big Day and Rico Wallace. Rico spent three
months grooming her before she disappeared. Okay, I've got to
(02:15):
get information about Rico Wallace, right, and this uh Rome
big Day. So Rico Wallace. Right, he's got several Facebook profiles,
none of them have any information on them except for
he spells his name differently in all of them. Whatever.
So I was like, all right, let me just do
a general Google search, right, and I found out he
(02:37):
is in the Yellowstone County jail right now with a
sexual intercourse without consent charge. He has not been tried.
He's stolen like county jail. And it made me start
thinking like, is it possible if he knows where Chikaia is,
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is it possible that he will exchange information for like
a plea? Right? And it got me worried, like, oh
my god, we're right in the middle of this, because
this is happening right now.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So we've been digging into both Jared Bridigan's murder and
Shakaia blue Harding's disappearance for a while now, and we
found some really interesting information that may lead us somewhere.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, there's a lot of like threads that we need
to pull at. Some are probably dead ends and maybe
a waste of time, but there are a few really
good ones that look promising. So I think what we
need to do is get more information on Shikaia, and
we need to get on the phone with her older sister, Shawnee.
I'd really like to talk to her about the man
Shakaia was hanging out with right before she disappeared, Rigal Wallace.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I have Shawnee on the line with us. H.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Hello, how are you? I'm good? How are you.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Behind that work? I'd of like stressing out how.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I'm going to go on newt then, just so you know, just.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Because on that work.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Okay, it sounds like it's noisy, Okay, okay, so real quick.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
We just kind of wanted to get you kind of
fill you in on what we've been doing. We have
been like scouring the internet for everything we can find,
looking for things. We've been trying to reach out people
to speak with them.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
These are just like social media profiles and like links
to the official investigation and a lot of stuff about Rico.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, you know, because.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Another guy named Romelo big Day.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
What can you tell us about him?
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Well, they call him Liz right on the streets. He
was also part of the Tumbleweed gang. When we first
started looking for Chikaia, he was sitting across the street
and I don't know if you just knew that we
were looking because we had passed by a couple of times,
but he was kind of avoiding us. When we asked
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him if he knew who Chikaia was, he straight out,
like flat out refused that he knew anything about her.
When later came the Investiga investigations started rolling out more
he did in fact know her.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So were and him friends as well or associates.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
From what I can gather, they work together.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, that they teamed up, and.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You know, he's not a good guy, so I kind
of wondered if him and Rico were in cahoots, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah, from what I understood, he uses him to help
him recruit locally.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Oh you mean Rico uses him?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yes, you're right, because Rico's Diego, right, Yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
That is a conversation that she had with Aaron Peterson.
This is just what Aaron told me, So I don't
know what is actually true, but he said she kaya
told him she was going to meet Rico and they
were going towards the North Park. And so when he
couldn't convince Chikaia to not go, to give her a knife,
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I think what it was a knife to protect herself.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So she was going to go talk to Rico. Aaron
tries to talk to her out of it and say
don't go see him. She goes anyways, and he gives
her a knife, saying, here, take this as protection. And
is that then the last time she's seen or is
she seen after this?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
So if what her friend Aaron is saying is true,
and this is totally not substantiated yet, then she was
scared enough of Rico and Romelo to bring a knife
to their meeting.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
From what we can gather from talking to Shawnee and
Chicaia's social media accounts, she was friends with Rico and Romelo.
The nature of the relationship is not completely clear. After
our conversation with Shawnee, I went and did my own research,
which I shared with you. There's two different accounts of
her going this thing. One is that she was last
seen at Tumbleweed getting into like a red truck. In another,
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Jamilstone County Sheriffs she was last seen on Whenevisa drive.
And there's all these people that are in her daily life, right,
There's Aaron, there's Rico, there's Romelo, and we don't really
know exactly what roles those people played in her life.
Rico is in jail right now for rape sexual assault,
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all right. So okay, now I gotta look at Rome
big Day, right, well, this is creepy. So I started
looking at him this morning, and he has several profiles.
He says he's a digital artist, like he's a rapper, okay,
And all of his profile photos are of a rapper
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named Polo g. So he's got one account and it's
called Romelo big Day, that's his full name. And on
that profile he's sharing a bunch of like pictures and
whatnot from a guy named Melo the Down right, And
that triggered me because Don is like, you know, mafia boss, right,
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So I went to Melo the Don and sure enough,
on that we on that Facebook page he shared his
Montana Department of Corrections identification card like a freakin' moron,
all right. And and I mean, I'm like, are you
kidding me? Right now? It's got his DOB, his full
legal name, his photo, like what he looks like, his address,
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like everything, all right. So he's got those those two profiles.
I go back to Romelo big Day's profile and when
I went back, the name changed. What the name changed?
He changed his name on his Facebook page while I
was looking at it, and I'll tell you what, if
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anybody knows about our Luca investigation, the deja vous that
I got from from from that happening, it blew. I mean,
I I texted you immediately right and I said, I
can't believe this just happened. I'll tell you about it tonight.
Like it freaked me the heck out. And I didn't
like anything on his page. I didn't do anything, you
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know what I mean. I looked, I'm like, did I accidentally?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, there's no way he would have known somebody.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
No way, no way. I looked at my activity log
on Facebook and I'm like, did I accently?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Did he anyway? Nothing he changed yet while I was
looking at it to Polo Capalot and I'm like, okay,
so I did a Google search for a Romelo big day, dude.
This guy's not a good guy. He has several charges
of sexual assault several.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, So I don't know if he's part of this
or not. But Shakaya was hanging around with him at Tumbleweed.
According to Tammy Bear comes out her mother.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Okay, so today would be day three for our search
into Sekaiah. Something interesting happened earlier. Body came across a
comment on Facebook by a person by the name of
Michael and said, I seen a story on Facebook yesterday
about girls going missing from Billings. One got away and
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told a story of about twenty or so girls being
kept against their will. If she went missing around Billings, Montana,
it might be worth looking into now. Sophie, which I
believe is a relative of Chakaia, responded, Yes, we have
heard about a house way out on Grand, but I
haven't gotten the exact location. I hear they have a
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house way out there that they have been keeping women.
Gianna felt like this was very, very important, so she
actually reached out to the producers over at KT Studios.
She sent them an email asking about this house, if
there's any relevancy or if there's any importance, And shortly
after that, Boddy and I started getting text messages from
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Stephanie at KT. She send us a text with four images.
Three are of a house and some vehicles, and the
fourth image she says, Hi, it's Stephanie at KAT, nice
speaking with you. Here are the photos I mentioned. You'll
notice that to the left of the front door there's
a round camera. Those are the cars parked next to
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it and the school up the street.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
So John, we went to Crime Con in Vegas and
as part of Crime Con, we were kind of in
the green room, you know, getting ready to go do
our talk on ocent and stuff. And in the green room,
Stephanie Lydecker and Courtney 'mstrong approached me, and Stephanie from
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KAT Studios was talking about wanting to work together on
a project in the future, and I was like, yeah,
you know, and I gave her my contact information and
I'm really like public about like my passion for getting
awareness out about the MMIW movement. And I think through that,
you know, we kind of hooked up. So KAT Studios,
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you know, there's Stephanie Leidecker, Courtney Armstrong, Jeff Shane, and
Andrew Arnell. They did their own show on MMIW all right,
and it was called The Missing and Murdered in Montana,
and through that they hired an investigator named Mike tooth Well.
In twenty nineteen, the producers from KAT Studios went to Billings,
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Montana and they looked at that house that we were
interested in, and they were able to get photos, but
they weren't able to get the exact address, because it's
like a weird it's like a weird little building.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
In the summer of twenty nineteen, the KT Studios team
went to bill Montana and heard about this same house.
They were able to obtain photos of it, but we
still don't have the address. So this is my forte.
This is where I'm good at. I'm good at finding locations,
specifically using Google Maps. So the comment that body found
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on Facebook, Stephanie sending us this picture saying, yes, there's
a house we've been looking for. We think this is
one where.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
The girls was missing.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
So I asked her. I said, the white building we're
looking for is near the school up the street, and
Stephanie says yes, So I log onto. I'm actually on
my cell phone at this time because I've gotten the
text messism. So I go on to Google Maps and
I go to Billings, Montana, and to just do a
search for schools. So I start looking at all the
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schools in the satellite image of Google Maps, and I
spent probably about thirty minutes and I could not find
that specific school in the picture that Stephanie sent us.
So then I went back and looked get the picture again,
I said, well, this kind of looks like a school,
but I see a pool, looks like a playground, some
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orange slides. I think this may be a park or
a community center. So I went back on Google and
just did a quick Google search Billings, Montana parks with pools,
and literally the first result came up to me for
a park in Billings called South Park. So I go
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to my Google Maps, type in South Park and Billings Monttowna,
and sure enough, there's a park. So I zoom in
at the satellite and sure enough I can see this
pool with the orange slides in it, and right across
the street, which looks like it's on sixth Avenue South
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and South thirtieth Street. It looks like where the picture
was taken that Stephanie sent to us. She is telling
me that house is somewhere around this area. So now
I'm frantically on Google Maps looking for this white house.
And it's not a really good image. It's not the
full house. What you see is a white, kind of
dilapidated house. You see a small concrete pad in the
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front and a small sidewalk leading to the city sidewalk
and some grass. The other images show some vehicles which
look like they're parked either behind or to the left
of this building. So when I'm in Google Maps and
I'm in the satellite view looking down, I start looking
for roofs that are that same clay Adobe color. So
I reach out back to the staff at KT Studios
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and I said, is this house here? And Stephanie says, yeah,
I believe so. And I said, well, this actually is
in a school what you sent us, it's actually a park,
and she goes, really, she goes, maybe I'm confusing some things,
and then Jeff chimes in. He goes, well, let me
reach out to the private investigator we have up in
that area who's been helping us. Maybe he can give
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you some more information. At this point, I can't get
this white building out of my mind. I am frustrated
that I can't find it, because that's what I do.
I find locations. I found the park, South Park, found
the pool with the orange slides. Why can't I find
this house. I won't be able to stop thinking about
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this house. I won't be able to sleep until I
find the location of this white building. And the unfortunate
thing is I promised my wife I would take her
out to dinner tonight, so I desperately wanted to talk
to the private investigator so I could find out if
he knew the location of this white building and what
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importance it was. Let's stop here for a break. We'll
be back in a moment.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
So before we connect to private investigator, Mike talk follow
up on the White House of Montana. Can we quickly
talk about Jared's case. Yeah, we know that Jared and
his ex wife Shana had a really contentious relationship even
after their divorce. They were constantly battling over money, custodied
their twins, and lots of other things.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
We also know, according to Kirsten, that Jared's ex wife,
Shana and her family are really concerned about their public image.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
And despite the fact that Shana said that she was
staying in Florida after Jared's murder, Kirsten says, Shana and
the twins are moving, though she doesn't know where. This
is really helpful information about what's happening now. But I
really think we need to map out Jared's last hours.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
So Deanna and I are looking at a map. She
went in and took some of the locations that are
important to the Jared case, his house, the ex wife's house,
the location of the crime and things like that. But
what she also did is she actually outlined on the map,
like the route he would have taken from the house
to where the incident happened, and other things. This is
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really great for us to understand. It kind of gives
a timing issue. Okay, you have ex wife's house at
this time, it would have taken an X amount of
minutes to get to this location or this happened.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
So what I did was I started at the ex
wife's house where he dropped off the children, and I
just I just like zoomed out right of the map
and said which way would he have traveled? Right? I
just drew it out. There's only really like one way
to go to end up at Sanctuary Boulevard. Right, It's interesting. Yeah,
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it's interesting when you look at the neighborhood of Sanctuary Boulevard,
there's only one way out. So I thought that was interesting.
But anyway, so I marked the location of the crime scene.
I watched a bunch of videos like news clippings, and
I saw.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
This is the one that says next to driver's side door, right.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, And if you look you can see the sign,
the street.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
The yield of the pole, it's leaning kind of die.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's kind of leaning right. And so I just wanted
to verify what Kirsten told us. I mean, I obviously
I believe her, but I just want to verify right
on my own. So I watched all the news articles
and they showed this, and this is actually Jared's car
from that night, and it's parked right next to that sign,
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like it's right there, right, And you can see if
you look at the front tire, the passenger side tire,
it's kind of diagonal with that sign. So it's right
in front of that sign, right. It's not past it,
it's not it's before the sign. So that's where I
marked the shooting pin on the map. And so it's
two point twenty six miles.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So in the neighborhood, you would drive twenty five miles
an hour break, yeah, and to go that it would
take you somewhere between five and ten minutes to get
from the house to the location.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I would, you know, wh When I mapped it out
in the Google Maps, it s hit something like twelve
minutes because it's all neighborhood, which is interesting to me
because there's a massive way to get there from like
a main road that he totally avoids. But according to Kirsten,
his wife, this is the route he took all the
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time and it is an odd route. So in a
news article from News for Jacks, a police officer said,
I'm asking if you were along this roadway of South
Beach Parkway that leads to the on ramp to JTB,
which is the J. Turner Butler Boulevard, or from Jackson
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Drive coming down Sanctuary Boulevard turning onto JTB, please give
us a call. It does not matter if you saw
something or you didn't see anything. We're asking if you
were in the area to call us. And they're looking
for anybody in the area between seven fifteen in eight pm.
And the reason that's important is Jared presumably dropped the
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kids off at the ex wife's house at seven around
seven thirty, all right, So if they're looking for somebody
from seven point fifteen, they're theorizing that somebody was getting
set up around that time, right like they're parking their truck,
they're you know, putting the tire out whatever, or getting
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ready to they're getting in position, and they want to know,
did you see anything? So I thought that was interesting.
So on the map, that is the route in like
the teal blue, and I thought, and this is important
because this is either the escape route or it's the
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way they came in. And I feel like if we
know where the surveillance cameras were that cap sure the
three videos that were released, then we'll be able to
figure that out. I think that would be a good
thing that the surveillance videos were captured on Setter Boulevard.
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Oh my god, okay, I need I need to I'm
start freaking out. Okay, So if he or she is
leaving the crime scene and they take oh you can't.
That's only one way.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Talking about is that there's a video that the police
have of a four death one safety trout that happens
to be missing a tire.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
That matches the tire that was left at the team
in this video. The front passenger tire is obviously a
spare tire. It doesn't match the other three. So in
the twelve oh two video, that front passenger tire is
a spare tire.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
That could be the tire that was left in.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
The scene, right right. I'm like freaking out too much.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, they could depressed.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
So remember last week when we were talking about this
and I was like, how do we know that there
it was the it was a tire left in the
way and not just the truck, right, Well now we know.
Now we know because if it was a truck that
was like in distress with its hood up or something,
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that person in the truck would not be able to
get back up to Shutter Avenue heading west by leaving
Sanctuary Boulevard the way it was facing. It would have
to make a U turn, which was the vehicle.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
If the vehicles parked there with the tire was acting
like they're changing the flat tire, their direction would have
been southbound, which would have taken them to Sanctuary Boulevard,
where your only option is to make a right and
get on the turner unless, like you said, you do
an illegal U turn back up.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And that's totally possible. Right. So I was thinking about
where the heck was this truck while the person was
you know, putting the tire while they were hiding, And
there's only a couple places. Now, if you actually go
to a terrain map like where you can see the
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trees and all that good stuff. If you look at
the satellite view, there's cars parked in the grass there
and on the in the cul de sac right, So
the person could have parked their truck there, walked across
that lane, hid in the bushes. Like literally, Jared's coming,
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He's gonna be there in a minute. He's going to
be there in ten seconds. There's no other cars behind him.
He puts a tire out, hides again right boom boom boom,
runs back, leaves a tire, runs back to his truck,
heads north on that little road and makes a right
on Jacksonville Drive and heads right back home. Additionally, there's
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another place that he could have parked. He or she
could have parked, and that is to the right of
the crime scene. There's another neighborhood with the cul de sac.
It's important for the listeners to know that all these
roads are no parking because they're like tiny they're basically
one way roads. If a car is coming at you,
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you're gonna have to like pull over to get out
of the way. You're not going to be able to
park a car on any of these roads. And if
you look on the satellite view, the neighborhood to the
right of the crime scene. This person would have to
go through all those trees. Right. Basically, well, the house
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that's at the end of the cul de sac, there's
nothing else there that's all open. There's no fence. I looked,
there's no fence. There's nothing. So they could have gone
up the road to the wooded area and gone in
there and done it that way, right, But what's more plausible?
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I tend to agree with you, But I also feel
like it's more noticeable on America Way.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So you could park on America Avenue. There are some
trees where you could have parked, or your car, that truck,
if it was parked there, couldn't have been seen. While
you're driving out Sanctuary, you walk around the trees, you're
at the location.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Those are my two locations that I thought were interesting. Obviously,
I know nothing. I don't know what is correct and
it is. That doesn't help it all, not really, because
I'm sure the police have queried all these homeowners for
their surveillance cameras, their ring doorbells, their nests. Right, It's
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just surprising to me that in such a nice neighborhood
there isn't more surveillance. You know, but you mentioned something
interesting to me last week about laws in different states.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
My friend had a security company system, and they have cameras,
and the security company system tells you you can't point
in your cameras outside your property lines. I guess it's
their rule. It all came back from me, and so
he was switching out the security company cameras and putting
in cameras. Later that night, it all came back and
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be like, oh, now I remember. So it's a three
letter security company, A and E. T. If you buy
their security camera system and it's installed on your house,
they don't want there. They have access to your cameras,
so they don't want to be able to look into
other people's houses.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Gotcha. I just don't understand how there's no surveillance of
the street at all.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
So what do you think happened to the well?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I don't know. I mean, doesn't have license plates. It
just doesn't make sense to me that in the whole city,
the whole way back to the route that they would
have had to go to get from the crime scene,
that there's no other surveillance cameras. It makes no sense
to me. So I have to assume that they strategically
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released specific ones, and I want to like, I want
to give them credit and say it's to measure a
reaction from the suspects. But at the same time, I
think you might be right John that it's more of
a convenience thing because it was a police department. So
assuming they have other videos, none of them got a
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license plate.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So earlier this year, Deanna and I were invited to
convention on Crime and she was working on a cold
case that where it was like a shoe being outside
a club and he's gone down every road and was
coming to nowhere. She's talking to one of her coworkers
and they said, hey, have you done a geofence? And
she's like, well, geofence? What's that? He goes, Oh, go
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to Google and ask them to provide you all the
information about people that were in that area. You draw
a radius of sense and what people don't know that
when you're in your car and you haven't changed the
settings on your phone, it can track you as you're driving.
So when you're looking at Google Maps and it said, oh,
there's traffic in front of you, because the people in
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the phones in that car are sharing their location and
showing how fast they're moving, and that information is collected
through Google Maps. There's also your unique identifier number. You
talk about cat food and the next thing you know,
you're getting all these ads for cat food. Each of
your phone, each person is giving a unique identifier number.
(29:57):
There's actually a company that's made of two retired police
officers that that's what they do. They collect this unique
identify advertising numbers and they do something called a life
pattern analysis and they can tell looking at all the
ads and stuff you get that this person might live
in this area. So the detective in Atlanta did this
(30:19):
geo fense and it came up with like only two
or three cell phones, and one of the cell phones
led to the person who he believes committed the crime.
So I'm wondering. I'm wondering if the police here in
Florida have done something similar. Hopefully the person was you know,
not smart enough and had a cell phone on them
and they geo offensive. Maybe they have, we don't know,
(30:40):
but that would be a great way to find out
who the person was if they had a cell phone
turned on and was with them at Alto and they
didn't know how to and they didn't know how to
change the settings on the boone.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
How would the killer know Jared was coming and that
there were no other cars surround like behind him.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Somebody had to be offering them, right.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
So she is at the house right, so she's not
very likely very she's not following Jared. Or did they
use an air tracker when.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
He went they put something on his car or.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
A GPS tracker of any kind? Right when he went
to ice cream with the kids and he was, you know,
inside eating ice cream, did somebody come up to his car?
That is a great question because if somebody did mess
(31:38):
with this car but like a GPS trucker on it,
they would have had to drive all the way to
Saint Augustine right in that truck, presumably put the tracker on,
and then go get in position, which could easily be done.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So it sounds like we need to find we need
to find the ice cream location place. So some people
on Reddit created a subreddit talking about the Jared case,
and you've been sharing a lot of information on there.
It's full of great stuff and made it easy for us.
Thank you all.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
From that sub Ready confirmation bias is a thing and
John and I working together will naturally you'll feed off
each other, and you want to make sure that you're
not agreeing with the evidence that you are. You don't
want to get wrapped up in things and take things
(32:28):
at face value, and you can easily do that when
you're doing this kind of work. So you want people
to go, no, this is wrong and this is why.
And you can't take that kind of stuff personally either.
You just kind of have to go, oh, yeah, you
know what, that's you're right, and you learn from that.
You stuff it in your brain and you remember that
the next time you do something. Confirmation bias is a
(32:49):
hell of a drug.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
So if everybody doesn't know, Reddit is a very popular
website that people can go on to and find out
like going on and make comments, and on Reddit you
can make your own subreddit about a topic you like.
After the incident happened in February of this year, somebody
made a Jared subreddit and like there was like seven
(33:14):
months ago and their first post was reddit sluice, Let's
solve it. And I thought, oh no right after reading it.
And so when I went on the subreddit or Jared
and I kind of went through every single post this week,
you know, I started getting that feeling we have again.
So I'm able to do it. Yanna is able to
(33:36):
do it. That means anybody's able to do it, including
the person they suspect who may have committed this crime,
which on Reddit, the subreddit, it's pretty clear they have
an opinion who is responsible for the Jared's death. And
so what happened is is these people all well meaning, good,
good intentions, Hey, let's solve this, you know, this heinous
(33:58):
murder of a loving father who got killed. And they're
posting things like, oh, here's so and so's social media
profile and then a short time writer, boom it's down.
Like they literally have a thread about oh here's so
and So's Instagram account and then boom it's all gone.
Or here's so and so's family member Facebook page and
(34:19):
now it's all locked up. So it's all like good intentions,
they mean well and they're trying to do it, but
in the end they ended up having like scrubbing the
Internet of things that I think you and I would
have found useful.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Right, that was a perfect example. So Mario the ex
wife's husband, current husband, he had an Instagram account and
it was full of information that we could have gone
through right. They were posting about on Reddit and they
would link to the post and then people would go
make comments on you know that Instagram post and the
(34:51):
ex husband or the current husband Mario was like f
this and just deleted his entire Instagram. So now all
of that is gone.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
He had an Instagram, he had a YouTube.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Program, a Reddit account, he had.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
A Ready account, which they identified. So the moral of
the story is is if you're trying to track somebody
down and you think they're the person responsible, you might
not want to publicly post what you're looking at because
they're going to know it too, which is the same
thing that happened to us with the cat killing videos.
The person was responsible was lurking in amongst the people
and seeing everything we were commenting about until we decided
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Deanna nine. A few people say hey, let's go in
private and not share these things publicly. So unfortunately, there
was a treasure trol of information on the people who
they suspect that's now no longer available to us. There
are some snippets of things, some screenshots and things like that,
like I saw the video of him shooting the gun
at the firing or and all that, but you know,
(35:47):
the things you and I look for, we can no
longer look for it again. So I was a little
I was like, oh God, I wish that was there
so we could look at it. And so it kind
of got to me this weekend and I wanted to
touch base on it a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And the good. The good when you have a public
search like this or a public discussion like this, is
that you can get a lot of different opinions about
one piece of like what you would consider evidence, right,
and you can get a lot of explanations from that evidence,
or you can also get like confirmation that it's actually
(36:21):
a piece of possible evidence. But then you also basically
are warning the suspect, right, hey, this is what we found.
And then you know, well meaning people again, they'll go
to those profiles and start commenting hate, right, like you're
going to die in hell for what you did. How
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Like I kind of said in the documentary, it's just noise, right,
and it's emotional, right. People are upset this wonderful father
of fors is gone, and so the person on the
other end of that, it's just like I'm dealing with
this for a freaking Instagram account and just deletes it,
and now the police, who's I mean, it's more important
(37:07):
that the police have access to this stuff, not necessarily us,
but now the police doesn't even have access to that, right,
the hive mind, Right, And there's a reason it's called
the hive mind too. That's another thing. If you get
fifty people together and can of those people appear to
be really smart and aggressive and they're posting and they're
finding a lot of information, the other forty people are
(37:31):
going to naturally agree with them.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
You're very rarely going to get people that will speak
up like you and I did with the with Luca.
You're very rarely going to get people that are going
to speak up and go, hey, wait a minute, this
doesn't the sound right. Right, It's hard to do that.
It's it's difficult to do that, and you go against
the hive mind. Right. So that's also something to keep
in mind when you're doing these kind of things. And
(37:55):
I don't talk about these kinds of things on like
my TikTok or my Facebook or my Instagram because huzz
of that. Right, We've done things privately forever. In fact,
this podcast is the only time we've ever done something publicly.
Let's stop here for another quick break.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
The last time you and I spoke, we mainly focused
on the security cam footage, but we didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
What we didn't nail down was when those pictures or
videos were taken, and that's what we were going to
do tonight.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I was kind of searching. I know, there's three security
camera videos. We found, the two from the police station
and then the one from the business right down the
street from police right. But while I was searching, there
seems to be a screenshot of the same vehicle. So
the ones the videos we see is obviously at night right,
car lights are on everything, but in one of these
it's like a screenshot. There's another video, which I don't
(39:01):
know if we have seen yet, but it's obviously in
the evening. The sun's out, it's like sunset flight time.
And so I was like, well, I wonder what time
the sun set on February sixteenth and Jacksonville, Florida. So
I just went online to Sunday suntoday dot Org, plugged
in the date and it said, you know, sunset at
(39:21):
sixty sixteen PM on February sixteenth. And then when I
was looking at that picture, screenshot linked to an article
or the police said that we're looking for a timeframe,
and I think you mentioned this Scianna between five thirty,
five thirty and eight thirty, right, so that I think. Yeah,
So the police said they're looking for if you saw
(39:44):
this vehicle between five thirty and eight thirty, So that
tells us that that video where we haven't seen. But
it's obviously from the screenshot during the day that that
video was recorded before the incident, because the incident happens
around seventy thirty at night, right, So there's no way
that whatever that screenshot of that truck is, it happened
during the sun was still. That's what I know. So
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it's kind of eerie.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
More on that next time.
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I've heard that there's a house and has some bodies
in the basement. Somebody told you that Hicaia was a
victim of human trafficking.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm come to find out. This is like it exploded
into this huge thing.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I knew, I just knew something was wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Police say thirty three year old Jared Bridigan was shot dead.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I kept calling his phone during the drive. Gunned down
in front of his two year old daughter.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It's a murder of the stun jack speech neighbors.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying
he was targeted.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Eventually, a police officer answered and told me to come
to the police station.
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Speaker 1 (00:38):
If you know something, heard something, please it's never too
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Speaker 4 (00:43):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I
spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in
the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get
animal abusers arrested.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators.
We spent over a year and a half trying to
get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man
that was killing cats online and he was threatening to
move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnauta.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called
Don't Fuck with Cats.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills
to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios.
At the end of our last episode, we were learning
about a couple of new players in the missing person's
case of Chicaia Blue Harding. One person of interest was
a man named Rico.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So of course I have to look at Arica Wallace, right.
Who's this guy?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So I did a search for Ricol Wallace. The first
thing that popped up was Tammy Bear comes Out. Tammy
posted a lengthy post and she said, you know, Chikaia
was at tumble Meat Tumbleweed here in Billings where she
met Rome big Day and Rico Wallace. Rico spent three
months grooming her before she disappeared. Okay, I've got to
(02:15):
get information about Rico Wallace, right, and this uh Rome
big Day. So Rico Wallace. Right, he's got several Facebook profiles,
none of them have any information on them except for
he spells his name differently in all of them. Whatever.
So I was like, all right, let me just do
a general Google search, right, and I found out he
(02:37):
is in the Yellowstone County jail right now with a
sexual intercourse without consent charge. He has not been tried.
He's stolen like county jail. And it made me start
thinking like, is it possible if he knows where Chikaia is,
(02:57):
is it possible that he will exchange information for like
a plea? Right? And it got me worried, like, oh
my god, we're right in the middle of this, because
this is happening right now.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So we've been digging into both Jared Bridigan's murder and
Shakaia blue Harding's disappearance for a while now, and we
found some really interesting information that may lead us somewhere.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, there's a lot of like threads that we need
to pull at. Some are probably dead ends and maybe
a waste of time, but there are a few really
good ones that look promising. So I think what we
need to do is get more information on Shikaia, and
we need to get on the phone with her older sister, Shawnee.
I'd really like to talk to her about the man
Shakaia was hanging out with right before she disappeared, Rigal Wallace.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I have Shawnee on the line with us. H.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Hello, how are you? I'm good? How are you.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Behind that work? I'd of like stressing out how.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I'm going to go on newt then, just so you know, just.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Because on that work.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Okay, it sounds like it's noisy, Okay, okay, so real quick.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
We just kind of wanted to get you kind of
fill you in on what we've been doing. We have
been like scouring the internet for everything we can find,
looking for things. We've been trying to reach out people
to speak with them.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
These are just like social media profiles and like links
to the official investigation and a lot of stuff about Rico.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, you know, because.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Another guy named Romelo big Day.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
What can you tell us about him?
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Well, they call him Liz right on the streets. He
was also part of the Tumbleweed gang. When we first
started looking for Chikaia, he was sitting across the street
and I don't know if you just knew that we
were looking because we had passed by a couple of times,
but he was kind of avoiding us. When we asked
(04:56):
him if he knew who Chikaia was, he straight out,
like flat out refused that he knew anything about her.
When later came the Investiga investigations started rolling out more
he did in fact know her.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So were and him friends as well or associates.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
From what I can gather, they work together.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, that they teamed up, and.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You know, he's not a good guy, so I kind
of wondered if him and Rico were in cahoots, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah, from what I understood, he uses him to help
him recruit locally.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Oh you mean Rico uses him?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yes, you're right, because Rico's Diego, right, Yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
That is a conversation that she had with Aaron Peterson.
This is just what Aaron told me, So I don't
know what is actually true, but he said she kaya
told him she was going to meet Rico and they
were going towards the North Park. And so when he
couldn't convince Chikaia to not go, to give her a knife,
(06:03):
I think what it was a knife to protect herself.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So she was going to go talk to Rico. Aaron
tries to talk to her out of it and say
don't go see him. She goes anyways, and he gives
her a knife, saying, here, take this as protection. And
is that then the last time she's seen or is
she seen after this?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
So if what her friend Aaron is saying is true,
and this is totally not substantiated yet, then she was
scared enough of Rico and Romelo to bring a knife
to their meeting.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
From what we can gather from talking to Shawnee and
Chicaia's social media accounts, she was friends with Rico and Romelo.
The nature of the relationship is not completely clear. After
our conversation with Shawnee, I went and did my own research,
which I shared with you. There's two different accounts of
her going this thing. One is that she was last
seen at Tumbleweed getting into like a red truck. In another,
(07:01):
Jamilstone County Sheriffs she was last seen on Whenevisa drive.
And there's all these people that are in her daily life, right,
There's Aaron, there's Rico, there's Romelo, and we don't really
know exactly what roles those people played in her life.
Rico is in jail right now for rape sexual assault,
(07:26):
all right. So okay, now I gotta look at Rome
big Day, right, well, this is creepy. So I started
looking at him this morning, and he has several profiles.
He says he's a digital artist, like he's a rapper, okay,
And all of his profile photos are of a rapper
(07:49):
named Polo g. So he's got one account and it's
called Romelo big Day, that's his full name. And on
that profile he's sharing a bunch of like pictures and
whatnot from a guy named Melo the Down right, And
that triggered me because Don is like, you know, mafia boss, right,
(08:12):
So I went to Melo the Don and sure enough,
on that we on that Facebook page he shared his
Montana Department of Corrections identification card like a freakin' moron,
all right. And and I mean, I'm like, are you
kidding me? Right now? It's got his DOB, his full
legal name, his photo, like what he looks like, his address,
(08:36):
like everything, all right. So he's got those those two profiles.
I go back to Romelo big Day's profile and when
I went back, the name changed. What the name changed?
He changed his name on his Facebook page while I
was looking at it, and I'll tell you what, if
(08:58):
anybody knows about our Luca investigation, the deja vous that
I got from from from that happening, it blew. I mean,
I I texted you immediately right and I said, I
can't believe this just happened. I'll tell you about it tonight.
Like it freaked me the heck out. And I didn't
like anything on his page. I didn't do anything, you
(09:19):
know what I mean. I looked, I'm like, did I accidentally?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, there's no way he would have known somebody.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
No way, no way. I looked at my activity log
on Facebook and I'm like, did I accently?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Did he anyway? Nothing he changed yet while I was
looking at it to Polo Capalot and I'm like, okay,
so I did a Google search for a Romelo big day, dude.
This guy's not a good guy. He has several charges
of sexual assault several.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, So I don't know if he's part of this
or not. But Shakaya was hanging around with him at Tumbleweed.
According to Tammy Bear comes out her mother.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Okay, so today would be day three for our search
into Sekaiah. Something interesting happened earlier. Body came across a
comment on Facebook by a person by the name of
Michael and said, I seen a story on Facebook yesterday
about girls going missing from Billings. One got away and
(10:31):
told a story of about twenty or so girls being
kept against their will. If she went missing around Billings, Montana,
it might be worth looking into now. Sophie, which I
believe is a relative of Chakaia, responded, Yes, we have
heard about a house way out on Grand, but I
haven't gotten the exact location. I hear they have a
(10:54):
house way out there that they have been keeping women.
Gianna felt like this was very, very important, so she
actually reached out to the producers over at KT Studios.
She sent them an email asking about this house, if
there's any relevancy or if there's any importance, And shortly
after that, Boddy and I started getting text messages from
(11:14):
Stephanie at KT. She send us a text with four images.
Three are of a house and some vehicles, and the
fourth image she says, Hi, it's Stephanie at KAT, nice
speaking with you. Here are the photos I mentioned. You'll
notice that to the left of the front door there's
a round camera. Those are the cars parked next to
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it and the school up the street.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
So John, we went to Crime Con in Vegas and
as part of Crime Con, we were kind of in
the green room, you know, getting ready to go do
our talk on ocent and stuff. And in the green room,
Stephanie Lydecker and Courtney 'mstrong approached me, and Stephanie from
(11:59):
KAT Studios was talking about wanting to work together on
a project in the future, and I was like, yeah,
you know, and I gave her my contact information and
I'm really like public about like my passion for getting
awareness out about the MMIW movement. And I think through that,
you know, we kind of hooked up. So KAT Studios,
(12:20):
you know, there's Stephanie Leidecker, Courtney Armstrong, Jeff Shane, and
Andrew Arnell. They did their own show on MMIW all right,
and it was called The Missing and Murdered in Montana,
and through that they hired an investigator named Mike tooth Well.
In twenty nineteen, the producers from KAT Studios went to Billings,
(12:41):
Montana and they looked at that house that we were
interested in, and they were able to get photos, but
they weren't able to get the exact address, because it's
like a weird it's like a weird little building.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
In the summer of twenty nineteen, the KT Studios team
went to bill Montana and heard about this same house.
They were able to obtain photos of it, but we
still don't have the address. So this is my forte.
This is where I'm good at. I'm good at finding locations,
specifically using Google Maps. So the comment that body found
(13:18):
on Facebook, Stephanie sending us this picture saying, yes, there's
a house we've been looking for. We think this is
one where.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
The girls was missing.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
So I asked her. I said, the white building we're
looking for is near the school up the street, and
Stephanie says yes, So I log onto. I'm actually on
my cell phone at this time because I've gotten the
text messism. So I go on to Google Maps and
I go to Billings, Montana, and to just do a
search for schools. So I start looking at all the
(13:46):
schools in the satellite image of Google Maps, and I
spent probably about thirty minutes and I could not find
that specific school in the picture that Stephanie sent us.
So then I went back and looked get the picture again,
I said, well, this kind of looks like a school,
but I see a pool, looks like a playground, some
(14:06):
orange slides. I think this may be a park or
a community center. So I went back on Google and
just did a quick Google search Billings, Montana parks with pools,
and literally the first result came up to me for
a park in Billings called South Park. So I go
(14:29):
to my Google Maps, type in South Park and Billings Monttowna,
and sure enough, there's a park. So I zoom in
at the satellite and sure enough I can see this
pool with the orange slides in it, and right across
the street, which looks like it's on sixth Avenue South
(14:50):
and South thirtieth Street. It looks like where the picture
was taken that Stephanie sent to us. She is telling
me that house is somewhere around this area. So now
I'm frantically on Google Maps looking for this white house.
And it's not a really good image. It's not the
full house. What you see is a white, kind of
dilapidated house. You see a small concrete pad in the
(15:14):
front and a small sidewalk leading to the city sidewalk
and some grass. The other images show some vehicles which
look like they're parked either behind or to the left
of this building. So when I'm in Google Maps and
I'm in the satellite view looking down, I start looking
for roofs that are that same clay Adobe color. So
I reach out back to the staff at KT Studios
(15:38):
and I said, is this house here? And Stephanie says, yeah,
I believe so. And I said, well, this actually is
in a school what you sent us, it's actually a park,
and she goes, really, she goes, maybe I'm confusing some things,
and then Jeff chimes in. He goes, well, let me
reach out to the private investigator we have up in
that area who's been helping us. Maybe he can give
(15:58):
you some more information. At this point, I can't get
this white building out of my mind. I am frustrated
that I can't find it, because that's what I do.
I find locations. I found the park, South Park, found
the pool with the orange slides. Why can't I find
this house. I won't be able to stop thinking about
(16:19):
this house. I won't be able to sleep until I
find the location of this white building. And the unfortunate
thing is I promised my wife I would take her
out to dinner tonight, so I desperately wanted to talk
to the private investigator so I could find out if
he knew the location of this white building and what
(16:39):
importance it was. Let's stop here for a break. We'll
be back in a moment.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
So before we connect to private investigator, Mike talk follow
up on the White House of Montana. Can we quickly
talk about Jared's case. Yeah, we know that Jared and
his ex wife Shana had a really contentious relationship even
after their divorce. They were constantly battling over money, custodied
their twins, and lots of other things.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
We also know, according to Kirsten, that Jared's ex wife,
Shana and her family are really concerned about their public image.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
And despite the fact that Shana said that she was
staying in Florida after Jared's murder, Kirsten says, Shana and
the twins are moving, though she doesn't know where. This
is really helpful information about what's happening now. But I
really think we need to map out Jared's last hours.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
So Deanna and I are looking at a map. She
went in and took some of the locations that are
important to the Jared case, his house, the ex wife's house,
the location of the crime and things like that. But
what she also did is she actually outlined on the map,
like the route he would have taken from the house
to where the incident happened, and other things. This is
(18:00):
really great for us to understand. It kind of gives
a timing issue. Okay, you have ex wife's house at
this time, it would have taken an X amount of
minutes to get to this location or this happened.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
So what I did was I started at the ex
wife's house where he dropped off the children, and I
just I just like zoomed out right of the map
and said which way would he have traveled? Right? I
just drew it out. There's only really like one way
to go to end up at Sanctuary Boulevard. Right, It's interesting. Yeah,
(18:32):
it's interesting when you look at the neighborhood of Sanctuary Boulevard,
there's only one way out. So I thought that was interesting.
But anyway, so I marked the location of the crime scene.
I watched a bunch of videos like news clippings, and
I saw.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
This is the one that says next to driver's side door, right.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, And if you look you can see the sign,
the street.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
The yield of the pole, it's leaning kind of die.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's kind of leaning right. And so I just wanted
to verify what Kirsten told us. I mean, I obviously
I believe her, but I just want to verify right
on my own. So I watched all the news articles
and they showed this, and this is actually Jared's car
from that night, and it's parked right next to that sign,
(19:23):
like it's right there, right, And you can see if
you look at the front tire, the passenger side tire,
it's kind of diagonal with that sign. So it's right
in front of that sign, right. It's not past it,
it's not it's before the sign. So that's where I
marked the shooting pin on the map. And so it's
two point twenty six miles.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So in the neighborhood, you would drive twenty five miles
an hour break, yeah, and to go that it would
take you somewhere between five and ten minutes to get
from the house to the location.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I would, you know, wh When I mapped it out
in the Google Maps, it s hit something like twelve
minutes because it's all neighborhood, which is interesting to me
because there's a massive way to get there from like
a main road that he totally avoids. But according to Kirsten,
his wife, this is the route he took all the
(20:20):
time and it is an odd route. So in a
news article from News for Jacks, a police officer said,
I'm asking if you were along this roadway of South
Beach Parkway that leads to the on ramp to JTB,
which is the J. Turner Butler Boulevard, or from Jackson
(20:43):
Drive coming down Sanctuary Boulevard turning onto JTB, please give
us a call. It does not matter if you saw
something or you didn't see anything. We're asking if you
were in the area to call us. And they're looking
for anybody in the area between seven fifteen in eight pm.
And the reason that's important is Jared presumably dropped the
(21:06):
kids off at the ex wife's house at seven around
seven thirty, all right, So if they're looking for somebody
from seven point fifteen, they're theorizing that somebody was getting
set up around that time, right like they're parking their truck,
they're you know, putting the tire out whatever, or getting
(21:28):
ready to they're getting in position, and they want to know,
did you see anything? So I thought that was interesting.
So on the map, that is the route in like
the teal blue, and I thought, and this is important
because this is either the escape route or it's the
(21:51):
way they came in. And I feel like if we
know where the surveillance cameras were that cap sure the
three videos that were released, then we'll be able to
figure that out. I think that would be a good
thing that the surveillance videos were captured on Setter Boulevard.
(22:15):
Oh my god, okay, I need I need to I'm
start freaking out. Okay, So if he or she is
leaving the crime scene and they take oh you can't.
That's only one way.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Talking about is that there's a video that the police
have of a four death one safety trout that happens
to be missing a tire.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
That matches the tire that was left at the team
in this video. The front passenger tire is obviously a
spare tire. It doesn't match the other three. So in
the twelve oh two video, that front passenger tire is
a spare tire.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
That could be the tire that was left in.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
The scene, right right. I'm like freaking out too much.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, they could depressed.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
So remember last week when we were talking about this
and I was like, how do we know that there
it was the it was a tire left in the
way and not just the truck, right, Well now we know.
Now we know because if it was a truck that
was like in distress with its hood up or something,
(23:31):
that person in the truck would not be able to
get back up to Shutter Avenue heading west by leaving
Sanctuary Boulevard the way it was facing. It would have
to make a U turn, which was the vehicle.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
If the vehicles parked there with the tire was acting
like they're changing the flat tire, their direction would have
been southbound, which would have taken them to Sanctuary Boulevard,
where your only option is to make a right and
get on the turner unless, like you said, you do
an illegal U turn back up.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And that's totally possible. Right. So I was thinking about
where the heck was this truck while the person was
you know, putting the tire while they were hiding, And
there's only a couple places. Now, if you actually go
to a terrain map like where you can see the
(24:25):
trees and all that good stuff. If you look at
the satellite view, there's cars parked in the grass there
and on the in the cul de sac right, So
the person could have parked their truck there, walked across
that lane, hid in the bushes. Like literally, Jared's coming,
(24:49):
He's gonna be there in a minute. He's going to
be there in ten seconds. There's no other cars behind him.
He puts a tire out, hides again right boom boom boom,
runs back, leaves a tire, runs back to his truck,
heads north on that little road and makes a right
on Jacksonville Drive and heads right back home. Additionally, there's
(25:09):
another place that he could have parked. He or she
could have parked, and that is to the right of
the crime scene. There's another neighborhood with the cul de sac.
It's important for the listeners to know that all these
roads are no parking because they're like tiny they're basically
one way roads. If a car is coming at you,
(25:31):
you're gonna have to like pull over to get out
of the way. You're not going to be able to
park a car on any of these roads. And if
you look on the satellite view, the neighborhood to the
right of the crime scene. This person would have to
go through all those trees. Right. Basically, well, the house
(25:58):
that's at the end of the cul de sac, there's
nothing else there that's all open. There's no fence. I looked,
there's no fence. There's nothing. So they could have gone
up the road to the wooded area and gone in
there and done it that way, right, But what's more plausible?
(26:21):
I tend to agree with you, But I also feel
like it's more noticeable on America Way.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So you could park on America Avenue. There are some
trees where you could have parked, or your car, that truck,
if it was parked there, couldn't have been seen. While
you're driving out Sanctuary, you walk around the trees, you're
at the location.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Those are my two locations that I thought were interesting. Obviously,
I know nothing. I don't know what is correct and
it is. That doesn't help it all, not really, because
I'm sure the police have queried all these homeowners for
their surveillance cameras, their ring doorbells, their nests. Right, It's
(27:02):
just surprising to me that in such a nice neighborhood
there isn't more surveillance. You know, but you mentioned something
interesting to me last week about laws in different states.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
My friend had a security company system, and they have cameras,
and the security company system tells you you can't point
in your cameras outside your property lines. I guess it's
their rule. It all came back from me, and so
he was switching out the security company cameras and putting
in cameras. Later that night, it all came back and
(27:37):
be like, oh, now I remember. So it's a three
letter security company, A and E. T. If you buy
their security camera system and it's installed on your house,
they don't want there. They have access to your cameras,
so they don't want to be able to look into
other people's houses.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Gotcha. I just don't understand how there's no surveillance of
the street at all.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
So what do you think happened to the well?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I don't know. I mean, doesn't have license plates. It
just doesn't make sense to me that in the whole city,
the whole way back to the route that they would
have had to go to get from the crime scene,
that there's no other surveillance cameras. It makes no sense
to me. So I have to assume that they strategically
(28:25):
released specific ones, and I want to like, I want
to give them credit and say it's to measure a
reaction from the suspects. But at the same time, I
think you might be right John that it's more of
a convenience thing because it was a police department. So
assuming they have other videos, none of them got a
(28:48):
license plate.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So earlier this year, Deanna and I were invited to
convention on Crime and she was working on a cold
case that where it was like a shoe being outside
a club and he's gone down every road and was
coming to nowhere. She's talking to one of her coworkers
and they said, hey, have you done a geofence? And
she's like, well, geofence? What's that? He goes, Oh, go
(29:13):
to Google and ask them to provide you all the
information about people that were in that area. You draw
a radius of sense and what people don't know that
when you're in your car and you haven't changed the
settings on your phone, it can track you as you're driving.
So when you're looking at Google Maps and it said, oh,
there's traffic in front of you, because the people in
(29:35):
the phones in that car are sharing their location and
showing how fast they're moving, and that information is collected
through Google Maps. There's also your unique identifier number. You
talk about cat food and the next thing you know,
you're getting all these ads for cat food. Each of
your phone, each person is giving a unique identifier number.
(29:57):
There's actually a company that's made of two retired police
officers that that's what they do. They collect this unique
identify advertising numbers and they do something called a life
pattern analysis and they can tell looking at all the
ads and stuff you get that this person might live
in this area. So the detective in Atlanta did this
(30:19):
geo fense and it came up with like only two
or three cell phones, and one of the cell phones
led to the person who he believes committed the crime.
So I'm wondering. I'm wondering if the police here in
Florida have done something similar. Hopefully the person was you know,
not smart enough and had a cell phone on them
and they geo offensive. Maybe they have, we don't know,
(30:40):
but that would be a great way to find out
who the person was if they had a cell phone
turned on and was with them at Alto and they
didn't know how to and they didn't know how to
change the settings on the boone.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
How would the killer know Jared was coming and that
there were no other cars surround like behind him.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Somebody had to be offering them, right.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
So she is at the house right, so she's not
very likely very she's not following Jared. Or did they
use an air tracker when.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
He went they put something on his car or.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
A GPS tracker of any kind? Right when he went
to ice cream with the kids and he was, you know,
inside eating ice cream, did somebody come up to his car?
That is a great question because if somebody did mess
(31:38):
with this car but like a GPS trucker on it,
they would have had to drive all the way to
Saint Augustine right in that truck, presumably put the tracker on,
and then go get in position, which could easily be done.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So it sounds like we need to find we need
to find the ice cream location place. So some people
on Reddit created a subreddit talking about the Jared case,
and you've been sharing a lot of information on there.
It's full of great stuff and made it easy for us.
Thank you all.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
From that sub Ready confirmation bias is a thing and
John and I working together will naturally you'll feed off
each other, and you want to make sure that you're
not agreeing with the evidence that you are. You don't
want to get wrapped up in things and take things
(32:28):
at face value, and you can easily do that when
you're doing this kind of work. So you want people
to go, no, this is wrong and this is why.
And you can't take that kind of stuff personally either.
You just kind of have to go, oh, yeah, you
know what, that's you're right, and you learn from that.
You stuff it in your brain and you remember that
the next time you do something. Confirmation bias is a
(32:49):
hell of a drug.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
So if everybody doesn't know, Reddit is a very popular
website that people can go on to and find out
like going on and make comments, and on Reddit you
can make your own subreddit about a topic you like.
After the incident happened in February of this year, somebody
made a Jared subreddit and like there was like seven
(33:14):
months ago and their first post was reddit sluice, Let's
solve it. And I thought, oh no right after reading it.
And so when I went on the subreddit or Jared
and I kind of went through every single post this week,
you know, I started getting that feeling we have again.
So I'm able to do it. Yanna is able to
(33:36):
do it. That means anybody's able to do it, including
the person they suspect who may have committed this crime,
which on Reddit, the subreddit, it's pretty clear they have
an opinion who is responsible for the Jared's death. And
so what happened is is these people all well meaning, good,
good intentions, Hey, let's solve this, you know, this heinous
(33:58):
murder of a loving father who got killed. And they're
posting things like, oh, here's so and so's social media
profile and then a short time writer, boom it's down.
Like they literally have a thread about oh here's so
and So's Instagram account and then boom it's all gone.
Or here's so and so's family member Facebook page and
(34:19):
now it's all locked up. So it's all like good intentions,
they mean well and they're trying to do it, but
in the end they ended up having like scrubbing the
Internet of things that I think you and I would
have found useful.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Right, that was a perfect example. So Mario the ex
wife's husband, current husband, he had an Instagram account and
it was full of information that we could have gone
through right. They were posting about on Reddit and they
would link to the post and then people would go
make comments on you know that Instagram post and the
(34:51):
ex husband or the current husband Mario was like f
this and just deleted his entire Instagram. So now all
of that is gone.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
He had an Instagram, he had a YouTube.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Program, a Reddit account, he had.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
A Ready account, which they identified. So the moral of
the story is is if you're trying to track somebody
down and you think they're the person responsible, you might
not want to publicly post what you're looking at because
they're going to know it too, which is the same
thing that happened to us with the cat killing videos.
The person was responsible was lurking in amongst the people
and seeing everything we were commenting about until we decided
(35:26):
Deanna nine. A few people say hey, let's go in
private and not share these things publicly. So unfortunately, there
was a treasure trol of information on the people who
they suspect that's now no longer available to us. There
are some snippets of things, some screenshots and things like that,
like I saw the video of him shooting the gun
at the firing or and all that, but you know,
(35:47):
the things you and I look for, we can no
longer look for it again. So I was a little
I was like, oh God, I wish that was there
so we could look at it. And so it kind
of got to me this weekend and I wanted to
touch base on it a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And the good. The good when you have a public
search like this or a public discussion like this, is
that you can get a lot of different opinions about
one piece of like what you would consider evidence, right,
and you can get a lot of explanations from that evidence,
or you can also get like confirmation that it's actually
(36:21):
a piece of possible evidence. But then you also basically
are warning the suspect, right, hey, this is what we found.
And then you know, well meaning people again, they'll go
to those profiles and start commenting hate, right, like you're
going to die in hell for what you did. How
(36:46):
Like I kind of said in the documentary, it's just noise, right,
and it's emotional, right. People are upset this wonderful father
of fors is gone, and so the person on the
other end of that, it's just like I'm dealing with
this for a freaking Instagram account and just deletes it,
and now the police, who's I mean, it's more important
(37:07):
that the police have access to this stuff, not necessarily us,
but now the police doesn't even have access to that, right,
the hive mind, Right, And there's a reason it's called
the hive mind too. That's another thing. If you get
fifty people together and can of those people appear to
be really smart and aggressive and they're posting and they're
finding a lot of information, the other forty people are
(37:31):
going to naturally agree with them.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
You're very rarely going to get people that will speak
up like you and I did with the with Luca.
You're very rarely going to get people that are going
to speak up and go, hey, wait a minute, this
doesn't the sound right. Right, It's hard to do that.
It's it's difficult to do that, and you go against
the hive mind. Right. So that's also something to keep
in mind when you're doing these kind of things. And
(37:55):
I don't talk about these kinds of things on like
my TikTok or my Facebook or my Instagram because huzz
of that. Right, We've done things privately forever. In fact,
this podcast is the only time we've ever done something publicly.
Let's stop here for another quick break.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
The last time you and I spoke, we mainly focused
on the security cam footage, but we didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
What we didn't nail down was when those pictures or
videos were taken, and that's what we were going to
do tonight.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I was kind of searching. I know, there's three security
camera videos. We found, the two from the police station
and then the one from the business right down the
street from police right. But while I was searching, there
seems to be a screenshot of the same vehicle. So
the ones the videos we see is obviously at night right,
car lights are on everything, but in one of these
it's like a screenshot. There's another video, which I don't
(39:01):
know if we have seen yet, but it's obviously in
the evening. The sun's out, it's like sunset flight time.
And so I was like, well, I wonder what time
the sun set on February sixteenth and Jacksonville, Florida. So
I just went online to Sunday suntoday dot Org, plugged
in the date and it said, you know, sunset at
(39:21):
sixty sixteen PM on February sixteenth. And then when I
was looking at that picture, screenshot linked to an article
or the police said that we're looking for a timeframe,
and I think you mentioned this Scianna between five thirty,
five thirty and eight thirty, right, so that I think. Yeah,
So the police said they're looking for if you saw
(39:44):
this vehicle between five thirty and eight thirty, So that
tells us that that video where we haven't seen. But
it's obviously from the screenshot during the day that that
video was recorded before the incident, because the incident happens
around seventy thirty at night, right, So there's no way
that whatever that screenshot of that truck is, it happened
during the sun was still. That's what I know. So
(40:07):
it's kind of eerie.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
More on that next time.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
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