November 15, 2023 • 41 mins
John and Deanna reach out to new voices that can give out more information on the disappearance of Shacaiah, including the executive director at Tumbleweed, the last location where Shacaiah was seen. They also continue to look into Jared’s case and how the range of fire might have happened.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies
in the basement.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
I'm come to find out.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
This is like it exploded into this huge thing.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
I knew, I just knew something was wrong.
Speaker 5 (00:14):
Police say thirty three year old Jared Bridigan was shot dead.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I kept calling his phone during the drive.
Speaker 6 (00:20):
Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying
he was targeted.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Eventually, a police officer answered and told me to come
to the police station.
Speaker 7 (00:34):
Justice is something that takes different shapes or formed.
Speaker 8 (00:38):
If you know something, heard something, please it's never too
late to do.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
The right thing.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and.
Speaker 7 (00:48):
I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I
spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in
the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get
animal abusers arrested.
Speaker 6 (01:01):
We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators.
We spent over a year and a half trying to
get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man
that was killing cats online and he was threatening to
move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnauta.
Speaker 7 (01:15):
Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called
Don't Fuck with Cats.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills
to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases.
Speaker 9 (01:29):
This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Katie's Studios.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
This episode contains extremely graphic information and it's not appropriate
for children. Okay, So a couple of recordings ago, I
ran into cousin Sophie's post about Shakaya being missing and
was going through the comments and found a post from
(01:58):
a woman named Darla May posted and the name of
a person named Rica Wallace and said he's the last
known person to be with her when she left Billings
And it's the same dude who raped my a minor
daughter and drugged her. So of course, you know, at
(02:19):
that time, I pulled him out and started looking into him,
and I am continuing on with that right now. So
I found two or three Facebook profiles for him. There
was a flyer created and it has two of them,
he spells his name different than his actual legal name,
(02:41):
and I'll get into that. But there was two, and
one is just Rica Wallace and the other is Raws
and Hal raw And there's nothing really of interest on
either of those Facebook profiles. Ross and Hale's pretty empty.
And so again is his Rico Wallace page. So I
(03:06):
did a search for Wallace or or Rico Wallace just
on Facebook in general, and Tammy Bhaar comes out. Who
is Shakaia's mother? Posted in December of twenty twenty one
about Rico. It sounds to me like this post she
is empathizing with another mother who is going through something similar.
She says Shakaia was a bright and beautiful, young, slow
(03:29):
soul who trusted the wrong people. She was also at
Tumbleweed here in Billings where she met wiz Aka Rome
big Day and Rico Wallace. Rico spent three months grooming
her before she disappeared. I believe Rico knows where she
is or where she went from Billings. I believe they
have the info we are seeking. Luckily, Rico is being
(03:51):
charged and held accountable for the rape of a minor
and for criminal endangerment from a charred stemming from twenty nineteen.
He's currently being all the Yellowstone County detention and has
an upcoming court dates for both of these charges. Hopefully
the family can take this as a win. I fought
hard to get him off the streets, even if only
for five or ten years. He can't earn anyone else's
daughter right now, so that's a positive. Rico is the
(04:14):
face of human trafficking. To me, he is the one
I think of when I think of the many women
who suffer at the hands of abusive and evil men.
He is responsible for drug traffic into our great state
and human trafficking. So Shakaia's mother posted that in December
of twenty twenty one, and I took out the part.
The important part to me was that you know when
(04:36):
she says she was also at tumbleweedhar in Billings where
she met wiz Aka, Rome big Day and Rico Wallace.
So I want to know more about Rico and of
course Rome Big Day or wiz So I'm going to
dig into Rico right now. John, you know how Rico's
name keeps coming up in the Chikaya case. I did
(04:58):
some digging on him.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Really, did you find anything good or useful well.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
His full name is Rico Adrian Wallace, and he's currently
in Yellowstone County Jail facing several charges, one of which
is rape. He's from San Diego, but he's lived in
Phoenix as well and appears to be an aspiring rapper.
He has a long criminal history, and he's had several
social media accounts that have been deactivated and reactivated, but
his actual social media is pretty bare. There just isn't
(05:22):
much there.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
And we know that Shikaia's mother has posted about Rico
and she seems to think that Rico seems to know
what happened to Chikaia or where she is now. But
I also think we need to talk to this other woman,
Darla May, who Shakaia's mother seems to be interacting with
on Facebook. Darla also seems to know a lot about
Rigo too. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
I've looked at Darla as well, and she advocates a
lot for Chicaia as well, so she might know a
little bit more about Rico, and I think would be
really smart.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
To talk to her.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Hello, Hi, Darla, so nice to talk to you. Thank
you so much much for talking to us. I know
that there was some apprehension and I totally understand. So
we've been looking into the disappearance of Chakaya Blue Harding,
and I'm sure you kind of already know that. In
looking at like all the social media, we ran into
Rico Wallace, you know, and Romelo Big Day, and we've
(06:18):
just kind of been trying to like piece together some stuff.
And I see you in your profile sharing a lot
of the information about Rico, right, And I was like, man,
I would love to talk to her, to see you know,
because like it just feels like, you know that he's
like in your heart of hearts, feel like he might
be involved. He might not necessarily have done anything, but
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he knows what happened.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I'm pretty sure he like sold her.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
How do you know Rico or not know him? But
how did you run into him? What is your what's
your information on him?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Five months after Shakaia, my daughter was going through her
own stuff and she was just turned seventeen and September
of twenty eighteen, and she had been a runaway and
had met a guy that went by Miguel Martinez. I
took off with him and we were looking for her
(07:17):
and a bunch of the kids were telling us, oh,
Miguel Martinez has her, and so.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
We figured out because.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Of who our connections are, kind of with that information,
who he was, where he was from the house he
grew up in his family's names. You know, mom passed away,
he had a twin sister, et cetera, et cetera. I
was out talking to his neighbors when I got his
home addressed and we went there, law enforcement came.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
My daughter really.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Wanted to keep seeing him, and it was this whole
thing about, you know, really I need to see him.
I'm going to run away.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I'm not going to see them.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
He's my boyfriend, and so you know, I said, fine,
you can date him, but it has to be at
our home, like we're going to meet this guy. And
after a little while of them dating, he'd asked me
if he could take her on a date. I said, okay,
I guess, you know, but have her back by this time.
And at that particular time, about two weeks prior to
the incident where Rico, where I found out Rico was involved,
(08:09):
he had taken her to Rico's house to meet Rico
for no reason because took her there instead of a date,
took her over there. So Rico was literally seeing if
he wanted her at that time.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Oh my god, that was like a screening of some kind. Yes,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay, and that was Miguel, which law enforcement, when I
spoke to the detective had told me that Miguel Martinez
is a.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
One of the people who recruits.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And so anyways, two weeks later, my husband had just
got off of work and then I guess Rico had
reached out and she'd seen him, and he told her
that Miguel Martinez would quote slide.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Through you know, that he would come pick her up.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
He picked her up about a block away off my
security cameras and then drove her to his residence where
at that time she handed the bottle over to Rico,
and there was Wiz was there, and two females were
also identified to be recruiters for Rico and Wiz, and
so Wizz is Ramello big dig So there there she
(09:12):
hands the bottle to them. They smokes the marijuana. He
proceeds to go into the kitchen behind a wall and
make a drink, brings it out to her. She takes
a couple of SIPs. She thinks it's weird. She feels
so weird.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
She doesn't want to come home.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
She's scared, so she's like, I need to go lay down,
and Rico escorts her to his bedroom and this is
where it's going to get graphic.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Is that okay? Okay?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So at that point he laid her down and she
was out of consciousness. At some point later she woke
up and she could see him over her, and he
had later so that her butt was kind of almost
off the bed and her legs were hanging off of
the bed, and she woke up because she was in pain,
and he had bit her from her clitoris to her
anus and proceeded to rape her. And then the next morning,
(09:53):
she literally carried her out of the apartment into his
vehicle and dropped her off two blocks away and forced
her to walk back home. At that point, she came
home and said that she thought that an assault had
taken a you know, taken had been done, and we
went to the hospital and forensic before ran. And then
at that point the police had told me because I
called an asked for an update, and they said that
it's basically her word against his. I said, at that point,
(10:16):
he was twenty nine and I'd found out he was
twenty nine, So I said, you know, how is it
a seventeen year old to word against a twenty nine
year old when she could describe to you the alcohol
and the pipe. So later on, you know, time went on,
nothing happened. I kept trying to call, I was getting
the run around. Nobody knew where the fucking case was.
So then I finally.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Darla, Darla, Darla, real quick, when you say the police,
are you talking Billings.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Police, Billings Police Department?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay, okay?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And I talked to like.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Even the chief of police, and I talked to the
Human Trafficking Division here, and neither one of those places
gave two shits about anything I had to say. Penny
Ronning said she did talk to the chief of police
and he was aware of who Rico was, but he
never got back to me about anything else or anything
until I started getting on Facebook and making a deal
out of it.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
So the billing speed tell you it's basically his word
against your daughters.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Correct, And so eventually I get in touch with the
prosecuting attorney and I demand to see him because I
want to know why this case hasn't went any further.
At that point, I guess he's the county attorney. He
told us that the quote because he said they can't
do you know, we can't get his DNA because he's
not in custody. At that point, he was not in custody.
And then they said that, you know, why what else?
(11:28):
Why can't we use the crime scene photo she was
bitten aggressively? Why can't we use those in court? And
he said quote that that would make it look like
she liked it rough? And I said, excuse me, Yes,
he said those words to me, and I said, excuse me,
how does a seventeen year old know how they like it?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
So that was a big red flag at that point.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
A little while after that, I well, I was posting
about Rico because we did have the rape case. It
was an open case, and so I was posting about
him and I started investigating him. I had started posting
him aggressively on Facebook, and he left the state.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
He left. He was actually arrested prior to coming to
Montana and Idaho.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
So he left Montana because of that.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm pretty sure, yeah, he took off.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
And then a little while after that is when detectives
reached out to me about Chicaya and said, you know
all of the information, can you help us?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
And I was like, holy crap.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
They took my daughter and had her go and do
lineup and identify the people and talk to them about
what had happened with her case, because obviously it's very
similar and the same person is involved in both anyway,
So I started researching Rico. I was finding out who
his family members was. So I found out that Rico
had lived in San Diego, California, and he's he's related
(12:47):
to a man named Raheem Callaway and that they moved
here together, and Raheem Callaway had started a wrap business
like it's called Alpha Pride Entertainment. And I mentioned that
law enforcement when I talked to that county attorney, and
I had said, you know, it makes no sense that
these men came up here all the way from San Diego,
where they're like two hours from LA where the big
(13:08):
dogs are, where real wrap is at West Coast rap
to Podunk, Montana to start this business.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And I also.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Found out that Raheem Calloway's exit dress and there's a
video on YouTube from I twenty nineteen and it's Joahim's
first music video, and Rico was in it.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
And it shows the.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Address is three thirty three Jackson and that's in the
Monroe area where in Billings, Montana, there's this area and
it's on the south side and it's like three blocks Monroe,
Jackson and another one.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I can't think of the third one right.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Now, but there are three blocks of row houses and
law enforcement tells me that that is known for human trafficking.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I found out they all moved up here together. It
made no sense to me.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
We realized when the chicaia had happened that this is
most likely human trafficking.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So I was thinking, you know, this.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Is just some old pedophile, you know that likes to
go for little younger women, you know, like date rates
and hurts them.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
And come to find out this is like.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
It exploded into this huge thing, so much bigger than.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
What it looked like for the outside.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
When when I talked to county attorney and I said,
how many times did you try to make contact with
Rico in regards to my daughter's case, He said, we
tried too, And I said, well how about Hikaya Blue
Harding tell me that they never once went to his
house to investigate it. They told me that they never
want tried to knock on his door in relation to
her case, and the only reason they did because I
(14:31):
made a big deal out of it.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
But she's also white. She's white. They go to a
white girl for a white girl, and.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Girl actually they try to make contact, but don't at
all for a Native American with a history, and I
think that's absolute bullshit to the way that people look
at Native Americans here is terrible.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Oh my gosh, Darla has a ton of really important
information about Rico. It's just awful what happened to her daughter.
But wow, is she a fighter. She really advocates for
her daughter.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
Yeah, there was a ton of information she gave us
and there's a lot to unpack there, and I'm trying
to put it all together as we did it. So
I don't know, what do you think?
Speaker 6 (15:13):
I mean? You know, I'm trying not to insert my
own experiences into these cases, but it's hard not to
be a little bit triggered when you hear such graphic
detail about a sexual assault. From an investigative standpoint, you
have to separate yourself, right, you have to separate yourself
from the experience and what actually happened, And that's hard
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to do.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
a moment.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Our conversation with Darla got me thinking, I think we
also need to dig more into Chicaia's friend Aaron, since
he was at Tumbleweed and saw Shakaia in the last
days that she was seeing in July of twenty eight.
He supposedly was concerned for her safety and gave her
a knife before she went into see.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Rico and sent. So much of the interaction between Chicaia
and Rico and these other individuals happened around the Tumbleweed facility.
I think we need to talk to somebody there. The
current director is a woman named Georgia Caddy and get this,
she used to be the human trafficking person there. If
they have a position specifically for dealing with human trafficking,
it must be a serious issue.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
And maybe she'll know something about Aaron as well.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Hopefully our private investigator, Mike Tough can help track him down.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
It's worth a shot. I think we should call him.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Hey, Deanna, you're there.
Speaker 8 (16:37):
Hey, Mike's on the line too.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
How are you doing Mike?
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Hey, Mike, I'm good. How are you guys?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
We're doing quite well. So the Chikaya case. Deanna and I.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
Were talking about it earlier, kind of going over the
timeline of events and stuff, and so we're kind of
stuck on that right now when we're trying to talk
to people, and it sounds like when Chikaia left, her
and her sister weren't talking and she probably doesn't know
much that was going on in that like six month timeframe.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
So we're reaching out to people who Shakaia would have known.
One of them is the guy Aaron Peterson.
Speaker 10 (17:10):
So you said you remembered the story about how Shakaia
went walking to a park some guy saw her.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
She said I was going to meet some unknown male and.
Speaker 10 (17:18):
That he gave her a knife. So this is the
person that gave her the knife, but the story is changing.
He knew Shakaiya, he knew Shakaya, and when the sister
reached out to him, he goes, here's w you should
look at. You should look at this Rico guy, her
ex boyfriend. He was very upset that she broke up
with him, and he was threatening people like Erin. And
(17:41):
so Aaron sees Shakaia talks to her. She says, well,
I'm going to talk to him right now I'm going
to take care of it right now, and he tries
to talk her out of it, like, don't go by yourself,
there's no no, no.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
He goes, well, here take this knife.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And we think that happened.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
On July twenty third, right, Okay.
Speaker 8 (17:58):
So we're trying to get a whole to this Aaron
person to see if we can talk to him and
if he could fill in some.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
More holes with us.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
So Shawnee sent us a bunch of screenshots and one
of the screenshots is I think from Shakaia's Facebook and
it's it's basically a common thread, so I can't see
you know where it happened, but I'm assuming it's Shakaia's Facebook, right.
And in the screenshots, Rico says, where are you at?
(18:26):
Hit me up? And Aaron replies and says leave her alone.
Nobody likes you. You're the reason she's leaving. Then he
goes on to say he says, I'm right here. You
know if you want me, you can come find me,
and he basically they're fighting on Facebook. Okay, it's not important, right, right,
But Rico's posts had been deleted because he's it looks
like he's talking to himself, right, So then the rest
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of the screenshots are messages that Shawnee sent him and
they It starts off with do you know my sister?
And he says, yeah, I know her. She was like
a sister to me. And the person you probably need
to be looking talking to is Rico. He was obsessed
with her and they broke up, or she broke up
with him. Shawne says, well, what can you tell me
more about it? And he basically says, yeah, I saw
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her and she was walking to Rico's house and to
settle some issues. And Shawne says, well what issues? And
Aaron replied and he said she broke up with him
and he got angry and was threatening people. And then
when she saw that he was threatening me erin, she said,
I'm gonna go talk to him.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
And that's the and then.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Right he says, you know, I didn't want her to go,
but yeah, he gave her the knife.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
So that's the night, and that's that's the last she's
been seen, or that's days before that.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
We think it was the twenty third, We don't know
for sure. That's one thing. I mean, we're assuming it's
the twenty third because why do we think that? Oh,
I know no. So that night she posted a picture
to her Snapchat and it's a photo of her laying
down with Rico. And that was the last thing she
ever posted to any social media ever.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Now, Rico's the guy in jail, right, right, he's.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
The guy in jail. He's the guy with the buick.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And then the last photo that she posts of herself
ever ever is with Rico laying in bed on Snapchat.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
Right, And we have the photo.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You girls like.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
That, you know, they don't stop just out of the
blue posting. I know the sapchat, I know that.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
And she was like prolific on Facebook, like she posted
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
You don't just stop, you don't just stop. No, But man,
that when you hear about if you know she's on
Facebook constantly and suddenly she just stops, I know, that's
that's the red flag. Either a all of her phones
and she's she's held somewhere against her will, and that
means she's not even human trafficked. She's in a basement
(20:54):
somewhere like the Cleveland girls and has no access to anything,
or she's deceased, correct, because if she was still prostituting
by now, she'd have had.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Access to something.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
There's no way she'd have been working the streets you know,
by a guy, and he's not going to have that
much control over her. Because even with the Johns, she
could borrow one of their phones real quick, or the
cops would have got her or something by now. So
I think she's either held prisoner somewhere against her will
totally and maybe being used as a sex slate for that,
or she's deceased somewhere.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
The other thing too. Shawnee mentioned to us that she
called the detectives to give them information and she doesn't
feel she doesn't feel like they even wrote it down.
I don't know if this is true or not right,
but she doesn't feel like they even wrote the information
down that she was giving them. So it mean, is
it possible that the cops never questioned Rico one hundred percent?
I'd like to think they would have, you know, or
(21:50):
they are now you know, I mean it's an open investigation. Yeah,
they're not going to tell They're not going to tell
us that, you know, the idiot internet nerds what they're doing, right,
and they might have looked into it, or they might
still be looking into it right, like they might still
be trying to get information from him. Those are things
that we don't know.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
We don't want to make them look bad.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It's not our intent.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
And if we found anything, the first thing we do
is go to them, since they're handling the case.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah, I will email you guys are Eric and right
away as soon as I know something.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
So, Georgia, just so you know, I'm recording this phone call. Okay, okay,
So at first, if you could just tell us who
you are and what you do, that would be helpful.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I'm Georgia Katie, and I'm the executive director at Tumbleweed.
I'm also the person who started the anti trafficking program
here at Tumbleweed in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Is trafficking a big issue in Billings, Montana? Human trafficking,
I mean absolutely? How bad is it?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Well?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I mean I guess that's like kind of relative. I
mean one is too bad, right, And the type of
trafficking we see with probably over eighty five percent of
the folks that utilize our dropping center is a type
of trafficking called survival sex. So it's for a place
to stay, something to eat, a drug habit, a cell phone,
(23:15):
that type of trafficking. Now we do also see the
trafficking like you see on Lifetime movies. In twenty fifteen,
when trafficking kind of hit the forefront for Montana, it's
like a big sexy thing for everybody to get behind
because oh my god, this is horrible. It can't be
happening here. We hate this, and so really went about
(23:37):
doing a bunch of awareness. But the piece of awareness
that people don't like is I think it's like a
crazy statistic, like you're fifty eight percent of victims of
human trafficking or being trafficked by a family member or
a friend.
Speaker 11 (23:52):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
So then that kind of puts the brakes on you, like,
oh my gosh, and it's only like nine percent, is
like this stranger stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Do they even realize that that's happening to them if
it's being done by a friend or a family.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Member, Sometimes they do, I think, but it becomes a
normalcy to it.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
First trafficking victim, her mom and grandma gave her to
the landlord every month since she was like four to
pay the rent. So if that's happening to you, it
just seems like it's what's part of your life. These
people that are supposed to protect you and care for
you are saying, this is okay. So this is what
I do. And so when I do, when I speak
about trafficking and our drop and center, or two young
folks I come in contact with, they're like, oh my god,
(24:30):
that's happening to me. You know, you can see this
kind of verbalize, but you can see this light bulb
kind of go off that they didn't really realize that
that wasn't normal.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
So like a friend could be like a boyfriend too.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Right, like, oh, claim to be a boyfriend. Worked with
another young lady who I mean, small town Montana. You
want to go see some stuff, right, and you don't
have the resources. And so this young gentleman, I mean,
he was very handsome. I only like three years age different,
so it wasn't really weird. She was seventeen, he was
like twenty one or something, and that doesn't seem strange.
He said, hey, let's go see the ocean.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Shit.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
She had never been. She's in a tire old town
here in Montana. Jumps in with her boyfriend. You know,
they get part way there and lo and behold they
have no money. Well, if you want to keep going.
Just do this for me, babe. You know, it's okay,
it's this is not a bad thing. And so they
end up getting pulled over like three states away as
he's traffing her across several states, and when it gets pulled.
(25:24):
When they get pulled over, she's telling the officers, this
is my boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
She's saying, I have no idea who that is.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I just picked her up in the last town she
was to give her a ride, right, And so then
there's the and so she's struggling with the fact that
I thought I was he was my boyfriend, you know, So.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
He like manipulated her into like working for him pretty much.
Speaker 11 (25:45):
Absolutely yes, And I imagine that happens with like people
that have some sort of trauma or they're vulnerable, they
just not love right, Like absolutely yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
And you don't imagine that somebody that Clint Fessus, you know,
with your best interest, to do that to you. I
can tell you story after story. They're master manipulators. They're
just people in the world that are really out for
themselves and they just they have some charisma and they
just have a real way of like manipulating and being
able to pick out vulnerabilities, right, and our young people
(26:19):
are all over social media. You tell everything like my
hate my mom, right, my mom so mean and she
and she Now I'm grounded for three weeks. Oh, if
you come with me, I wouldn't do that, you know.
And so they pray on those things that and you're
so beautiful that that these young people want to hear.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
We've been looking at, you know, talking to several different
people and looking at different cases. We were presented with
a case from a girl from Billings, Montana who went
missing and she's still missing too. Who is that, Shakaia
Blue Herding.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I know Shakaya. Yeah, we've been worked with our family
and stuff was movie for a while. I actually have
every day.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
It reminds me why I come to work here. I
have a letter in my drawer that I open every
day to get the key to my foul cabinet out.
And it's a piece of mail that's Shakaya Harding's now.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Oh you're kidding.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
I'll never forget. The day that I last saw her,
I was practicing my presentation. I was getting ready to
go out and do awareness training, and I was in
there dropping Center Resource Center, and I was practicing it.
And she was plopped on the couch and she had
just washed her hair and it smelled so good of
like smelly shampoo, and she had fuzzy socks on these sweatpants.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And she was sat down there and she was eating her.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Lunch and just looked like she typical teenager or young
adult posied up on a couch watching a movie. And
she was very interested in my presentation. And as I
began to kind of speak with her a little bit,
she she kind of shut down, but she was listening.
And then she left that day and I said, see
you later, Hikaya Bhi.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I can still.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Smell that, and then she had this prettiest tear Yah
ever did see.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
The story we.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Were told is that back in twenty eighteen, Chakaia had
had some trauma in her life. Unfortunately, she was self
medicating with drugs. Absolutely, there were some issues between her
and her family. They became kind of distant. Shakaya was
apparently living on the street. She was using Tumbleweed services. Yeah,
she made a post about how great tumbleweed was. It
(28:25):
was the best place, and it sounds like she got
a lot of benefit out of it. She wasn't in
contact with her family as much. At one point in time,
the family members start going, hey, has anybody seen Chikaia
and they realize they haven't seen her. This is now
August twenty eighteen. Then they start looking for and realizing
one of the last places she was at was at
(28:45):
Tumbleweed and she had been on July twenty fourth. She
was very active on Facebook, making several posts, and all
of a sudden it just stops. And so July twenty
fourth on Facebook there was another person staying at Tumblee
that time. I guess a guy named Aaron who had
(29:06):
befriended Shakaia and he refers to her as her sister.
She is going to go see this person. I'm just
going to say his name. His name is Rico. Aaron
tries to, hey, let me go with you. I don't
think it's safe for you. Let me go with you,
and she goes, no, no, no, I'm going to go
by myself. I'm going to take care of it. I'm
going to talk to him. I'm going to sort this
all out. I don't, and so she goes goes to
(29:35):
talk to Rico. Supposedly, either the twenty third or she
posts a picture on her snapchat with her and Rico,
and then is never seen again. So it appears that
this Rico person has something to do with it. Law
enforcement says they've talked to him, he admits he has
nothing to do with it. But the going theory is
(29:56):
this guy Rico had something to do with her disappearance.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
He said, I have heard and or given to those
spaces that should have it.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Good, well, yeah, we're kind of just kind of keeching
us all together, you know, like it's just a sad
story and the family is so desperate for information. Let's
stop here for another quick break. So while we wait
(30:30):
to hear back from Mike, our Pi and Montana, can
we talk about Jared real quick in Florida Totally. We
both thought at the beginning this was a carjacking gone bad,
But the more we dig into the carjacking, it doesn't
look like that, right, do you agree?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Yeah, especially with all the other stuff going around involving
Jared's first marriage and his ex wife, it really feels
like a targeted hit. It also feels like whoever killed
Jared wasn't acting alone.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Yeah, it's just too complicated to be a carjacking, right, Yeah,
So I was thinking, while we wait for our Florida
PI Chris Algato to do a little digging, I thought
we should talk to friends specialist Joseph Morgan. He works
with Katie Studios a lot, and he might be able
to help us gain a new insight into Jared's murder
or maybe talk us through the crime seat a little.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
That would be really helpful to have his eyes on
this as if it was a target to hit like
we think now and not a carjacking gone bad.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
This case really got to me because I was in
this man's position in sense that you know, we're blended family,
and it was contentious, and of course it never rose
to this level. And this poor woman now is you know,
has got these precious babies that she's gonna have to
raise on her own, and Lord only knows what's going
to happen to those twins, And so I want to
(31:44):
do anything I can do to help her. I've got
real heart for this case. Simply from that perspective. There's
a couple of areas that are going to be very significant. Obviously,
you know you'd mentioned the casing that will be in particular,
I'd like to know more about specifics out the weapon,
and I'm assuming that there were stent cases that were
(32:04):
collected at the scene. Also, I think that that perpetrator,
in my opinion, at least had had a hide set up.
I think that probably is pretty obvious. Yes, so for me,
and if I remember, you know, down it's Florida like that,
you're going to get rained, you know, I don't know,
maybe three four days. It doesn't really go into a
(32:25):
drought condition down there, and the soil will remain pretty
consistently damp. I'm very curious to see if they were
able to identify footprints or tak impressions out of the
soil where this person would have been stomping around.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
They did search that wooded area the right there, right right,
and they did have dogs too. I've kind of collected
just some like facts about stuff. So they did have dogs,
they did search that area, but they're not letting anybody
know what they found. There's no information and even Kirsten
doesn't know. So yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Can certainly address that from a connectivity standpoint and why
that would be important absolutely because this individual would have
been dismounted at that point.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Time.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
And also something else that's kind of very interesting. Is
this tire slash rim thing that they found out at
the road, that's going to have a very specific nomenclature
on it, an identifier and the point of origin of that. Now,
if a person had been wise that had set this up,
they would have just gone to some random location and
(33:33):
picked this thing up. But if it's something that had
been that has connectivity to the perktrator's life, and there's
all kinds of identifiers that we can get off there.
First off, just the making model of the tire cell
or what type of tire that rim would have held
serial numbers on that rim, which that was my understanding
I had taken that away at some point time that
(33:54):
it was not. At first it came out that it
was a tire and then I heard rim and I
heard a tire. Both it is both and so those
are going to be very specific. And also the acquisition
of that item. I'd like to know if they had
any kind of wear patterns on the tire, like was
it an old tire, was it a tire that had
(34:16):
been kept back for some time? Did the tire because
rubber could show evidence of aging and weathering, even if
it's not being used. When did they create that series
of tires? Who the manufacturer was. There's a lot of
tie backs of that, and I think for me, there's
no general way to put it, but an assessment of
(34:37):
Jared's injuries is going to be very vital because I'm
particularly keen on range of fire.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
So they say it was three to four feet away
from him.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
They did release that, So we're going to be if
that is the case, and there were multiple gunshots simple
fire because the baby. I remember person saying at that
time the baby had said boom boom boom, Daddy falls
down or something like that.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Yes, boom boom boom, Daddy on the ground.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, daddy on the ground.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
And we also have we also have video footage where
you from a doorbell and you can hear there's there's
three shots. We even found the so the tire has
been traced to a Ford F one fifty and the
police have released surveillance footage of a Ford F one
fifty with a spare tire on it. And but they
(35:33):
don't say where they got the surveillance footage. But we
John Green and I found where they got the surveillance
footage and it goes right back to the xif's house.
It's less than a block from her house. So it's
very interesting.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It's very interesting as a death Investigator's very telling to
me the level of callous mus that's involved in this,
right when you'll execute a man with his baby in
a car seat in the vehicle, and there had to
be an awareness of that this was not robbed. It was,
to the best of my knowledge at least, no he
was taken other than his life, you know, So that
(36:08):
you know, that puts a real it puts a it's
a different lens to look at this through and say,
you know, some other kind of randomized event that might
have occurred out of just an impassionate event that's a
one off, or certainly anything that's connected to to another crime,
you know, robbery or something like that. So I think
there's a lot that we could probably dig into. And
(36:29):
I'll beach'all's disposal.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
I'm going to send you an email with our document
and you can look at it whenever you want, yeah, sure,
And it has linked it has links to all the
pictures and everything like that. And then I'll remind you
about Sunday too.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Okay, and I'll try it between now and then. I'll
look at this and I'll try to come up with
a bulleted list of points.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Sounds good.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Again, I have Mike on.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Okay, Hi, Mike go.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
The last time we spoke.
Speaker 9 (36:57):
With Mike the p I, we discussed not have him
reaching out to Yellowstone County Sheriff's Department and ask if
they would share some an update on anything that wishikaia
as a professional courtesy from one law enforcement to another.
And you said you reached out to them and you
had some good, good.
Speaker 7 (37:16):
Stuff, is what you said.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
I reached out to the detective Fritz Riostone County. He's
a detective assigned to her case. I said, we're working
on this podcast. We're working on this case, and we
don't I go. I want to get this out of
the way. We're not here to bombard you with false
leads or you know, are what we are theories.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
We're going to tell you what we know.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
If we find something good, we'll let you know, and
we're going to verify it before we tell you and
all that. But we are looking at this and we
also don't want to be looking at stuff that we
don't that is a waste of time. So I said great,
So I go do you know Rico?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
And he goes, oh, yeah, we know Rico.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
And I said, did you guys interview him about her?
And he goes, yes, we did. I said, did you
clear him? And he goes, no, we did not clear him.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
No shit.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
He goes, what does that mean?
Speaker 5 (38:03):
He goes, well, by time we got the case, as
you know, it's been a while, so evidence is cold.
So all we could do is just sit down and
talk to him. And he pretty much just kept saying,
don't know what you're talking about. Nope, don't know what
you're talking about. Nope, didn't happen, nope, you know, And
he goes, he just basically, you know, he's a career criminal.
He was not going to give up any info because
(38:24):
he knew we were buying the eight ball anyways, right,
so he goes, right, so he's not going to say anything,
and he didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
He goes, but he is not.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Clear because he agrees with us if it is true
that she went to see him the last time she
has ever seen and then the snapchat picture of her
in bed with him was the last picture that she
put out on social media. Of herself. Then yeah, clearly
he's a person of interest. And he goes, well, I
think he's in prison. And I go, I go, I
think he's in Yellowstone County jail.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
And he goes really And I go, yeah, I go
check your roster. Yeah, he goes, last time.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Heard he was in prison.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
I go, well, I think he's been moving yells from
kind of jail. He might have a court for seeding
coming up. And he goes, well, that's interesting thing.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Okay, I'll look at that.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
And I said good. So then I said, well, do
you have her DNA? Because I know as law enforcement,
let's say her body's found in Arizona, okay, but she
has no idea on her, so they have no idea
who this person is. They will submit her DNA into
a database to see if it gets a hit on
(39:27):
as as somebody put her DNA in there as she's
a missing person. And he goes, no, we didn't do
that because the mother couldn't produce anything to us that
would have her daughter's DNA on it. But I said, yeah,
but she could do the mother and the father And
he goes yes and no, And I go, do tell
(39:48):
And he said Montana doesn't allow that, does it? Our
crime lab can't do that, but the FBI can. And
he goes, I have the mom's DNA and the dad's DNA.
They signed Elstone County's consent form for us to submit
the DNA, but the FBI told us, no, you need
to have them sign our consent for him. He goes,
(40:09):
So I sent the consent, our new FBI consent form
to mom, and I sent one to dad. I've got
moms back, I have never received dads. So basically we're stuck.
But I said, well, if we can get the dad
to sign the form with that help, he goes, I
will take all the help I can get from you, guys.
He goes. If you can get him to sign that,
(40:32):
and you can get that form to me, we will
send it the next day to the FBI. She'll be
in the database.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Maybe we'll get a hit.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
The question for you guys to ask the sister is
does she have contact with dad? And if she does,
can she get him to sign the form when we.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Get the form and get.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
It back to us.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
So that's the big question there. That's what you guys
got to take care because.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
You know her, right, Yeah, so I'll certainly do that.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
So that's what I know.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
That's incredible, That is such good news. More on that
next time.
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I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies
in the basement.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
I'm come to find out.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
This is like it exploded into this huge thing.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
I knew, I just knew something was wrong.
Speaker 5 (00:14):
Police say thirty three year old Jared Bridigan was shot dead.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I kept calling his phone during the drive.
Speaker 6 (00:20):
Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.
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It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors.
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His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying
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This episode contains extremely graphic information and it's not appropriate
for children. Okay, So a couple of recordings ago, I
ran into cousin Sophie's post about Shakaya being missing and
was going through the comments and found a post from
(01:58):
a woman named Darla May posted and the name of
a person named Rica Wallace and said he's the last
known person to be with her when she left Billings
And it's the same dude who raped my a minor
daughter and drugged her. So of course, you know, at
(02:19):
that time, I pulled him out and started looking into him,
and I am continuing on with that right now. So
I found two or three Facebook profiles for him. There
was a flyer created and it has two of them,
he spells his name different than his actual legal name,
(02:41):
and I'll get into that. But there was two, and
one is just Rica Wallace and the other is Raws
and Hal raw And there's nothing really of interest on
either of those Facebook profiles. Ross and Hale's pretty empty.
And so again is his Rico Wallace page. So I
(03:06):
did a search for Wallace or or Rico Wallace just
on Facebook in general, and Tammy Bhaar comes out. Who
is Shakaia's mother? Posted in December of twenty twenty one
about Rico. It sounds to me like this post she
is empathizing with another mother who is going through something similar.
She says Shakaia was a bright and beautiful, young, slow
(03:29):
soul who trusted the wrong people. She was also at
Tumbleweed here in Billings where she met wiz Aka Rome
big Day and Rico Wallace. Rico spent three months grooming
her before she disappeared. I believe Rico knows where she
is or where she went from Billings. I believe they
have the info we are seeking. Luckily, Rico is being
(03:51):
charged and held accountable for the rape of a minor
and for criminal endangerment from a charred stemming from twenty nineteen.
He's currently being all the Yellowstone County detention and has
an upcoming court dates for both of these charges. Hopefully
the family can take this as a win. I fought
hard to get him off the streets, even if only
for five or ten years. He can't earn anyone else's
daughter right now, so that's a positive. Rico is the
(04:14):
face of human trafficking. To me, he is the one
I think of when I think of the many women
who suffer at the hands of abusive and evil men.
He is responsible for drug traffic into our great state
and human trafficking. So Shakaia's mother posted that in December
of twenty twenty one, and I took out the part.
The important part to me was that you know when
(04:36):
she says she was also at tumbleweedhar in Billings where
she met wiz Aka, Rome big Day and Rico Wallace.
So I want to know more about Rico and of
course Rome Big Day or wiz So I'm going to
dig into Rico right now. John, you know how Rico's
name keeps coming up in the Chikaya case. I did
(04:58):
some digging on him.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Really, did you find anything good or useful well.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
His full name is Rico Adrian Wallace, and he's currently
in Yellowstone County Jail facing several charges, one of which
is rape. He's from San Diego, but he's lived in
Phoenix as well and appears to be an aspiring rapper.
He has a long criminal history, and he's had several
social media accounts that have been deactivated and reactivated, but
his actual social media is pretty bare. There just isn't
(05:22):
much there.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
And we know that Shikaia's mother has posted about Rico
and she seems to think that Rico seems to know
what happened to Chikaia or where she is now. But
I also think we need to talk to this other woman,
Darla May, who Shakaia's mother seems to be interacting with
on Facebook. Darla also seems to know a lot about
Rigo too. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
I've looked at Darla as well, and she advocates a
lot for Chicaia as well, so she might know a
little bit more about Rico, and I think would be
really smart.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
To talk to her.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Hello, Hi, Darla, so nice to talk to you. Thank
you so much much for talking to us. I know
that there was some apprehension and I totally understand. So
we've been looking into the disappearance of Chakaya Blue Harding,
and I'm sure you kind of already know that. In
looking at like all the social media, we ran into
Rico Wallace, you know, and Romelo Big Day, and we've
(06:18):
just kind of been trying to like piece together some stuff.
And I see you in your profile sharing a lot
of the information about Rico, right, And I was like, man,
I would love to talk to her, to see you know,
because like it just feels like, you know that he's
like in your heart of hearts, feel like he might
be involved. He might not necessarily have done anything, but
(06:42):
he knows what happened.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I'm pretty sure he like sold her.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
How do you know Rico or not know him? But
how did you run into him? What is your what's
your information on him?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Five months after Shakaia, my daughter was going through her
own stuff and she was just turned seventeen and September
of twenty eighteen, and she had been a runaway and
had met a guy that went by Miguel Martinez. I
took off with him and we were looking for her
(07:17):
and a bunch of the kids were telling us, oh,
Miguel Martinez has her, and so.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
We figured out because.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Of who our connections are, kind of with that information,
who he was, where he was from the house he
grew up in his family's names. You know, mom passed away,
he had a twin sister, et cetera, et cetera. I
was out talking to his neighbors when I got his
home addressed and we went there, law enforcement came.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
My daughter really.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Wanted to keep seeing him, and it was this whole
thing about, you know, really I need to see him.
I'm going to run away.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I'm not going to see them.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
He's my boyfriend, and so you know, I said, fine,
you can date him, but it has to be at
our home, like we're going to meet this guy. And
after a little while of them dating, he'd asked me
if he could take her on a date. I said, okay,
I guess, you know, but have her back by this time.
And at that particular time, about two weeks prior to
the incident where Rico, where I found out Rico was involved,
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he had taken her to Rico's house to meet Rico
for no reason because took her there instead of a date,
took her over there. So Rico was literally seeing if
he wanted her at that time.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Oh my god, that was like a screening of some kind. Yes,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay, and that was Miguel, which law enforcement, when I
spoke to the detective had told me that Miguel Martinez
is a.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
One of the people who recruits.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And so anyways, two weeks later, my husband had just
got off of work and then I guess Rico had
reached out and she'd seen him, and he told her
that Miguel Martinez would quote slide.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Through you know, that he would come pick her up.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
He picked her up about a block away off my
security cameras and then drove her to his residence where
at that time she handed the bottle over to Rico,
and there was Wiz was there, and two females were
also identified to be recruiters for Rico and Wiz, and
so Wizz is Ramello big dig So there there she
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hands the bottle to them. They smokes the marijuana. He
proceeds to go into the kitchen behind a wall and
make a drink, brings it out to her. She takes
a couple of SIPs. She thinks it's weird. She feels
so weird.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
She doesn't want to come home.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
She's scared, so she's like, I need to go lay down,
and Rico escorts her to his bedroom and this is
where it's going to get graphic.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Is that okay? Okay?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So at that point he laid her down and she
was out of consciousness. At some point later she woke
up and she could see him over her, and he
had later so that her butt was kind of almost
off the bed and her legs were hanging off of
the bed, and she woke up because she was in pain,
and he had bit her from her clitoris to her
anus and proceeded to rape her. And then the next morning,
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she literally carried her out of the apartment into his
vehicle and dropped her off two blocks away and forced
her to walk back home. At that point, she came
home and said that she thought that an assault had
taken a you know, taken had been done, and we
went to the hospital and forensic before ran. And then
at that point the police had told me because I
called an asked for an update, and they said that
it's basically her word against his. I said, at that point,
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he was twenty nine and I'd found out he was
twenty nine, So I said, you know, how is it
a seventeen year old to word against a twenty nine
year old when she could describe to you the alcohol
and the pipe. So later on, you know, time went on,
nothing happened. I kept trying to call, I was getting
the run around. Nobody knew where the fucking case was.
So then I finally.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Darla, Darla, Darla, real quick, when you say the police,
are you talking Billings.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Police, Billings Police Department?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay, okay?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And I talked to like.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Even the chief of police, and I talked to the
Human Trafficking Division here, and neither one of those places
gave two shits about anything I had to say. Penny
Ronning said she did talk to the chief of police
and he was aware of who Rico was, but he
never got back to me about anything else or anything
until I started getting on Facebook and making a deal
out of it.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
So the billing speed tell you it's basically his word
against your daughters.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Correct, And so eventually I get in touch with the
prosecuting attorney and I demand to see him because I
want to know why this case hasn't went any further.
At that point, I guess he's the county attorney. He
told us that the quote because he said they can't
do you know, we can't get his DNA because he's
not in custody. At that point, he was not in custody.
And then they said that, you know, why what else?
(11:28):
Why can't we use the crime scene photo she was
bitten aggressively? Why can't we use those in court? And
he said quote that that would make it look like
she liked it rough? And I said, excuse me, Yes,
he said those words to me, and I said, excuse me,
how does a seventeen year old know how they like it?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
So that was a big red flag at that point.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
A little while after that, I well, I was posting
about Rico because we did have the rape case. It
was an open case, and so I was posting about
him and I started investigating him. I had started posting
him aggressively on Facebook, and he left the state.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
He left. He was actually arrested prior to coming to
Montana and Idaho.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
So he left Montana because of that.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm pretty sure, yeah, he took off.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
And then a little while after that is when detectives
reached out to me about Chicaya and said, you know
all of the information, can you help us?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
And I was like, holy crap.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
They took my daughter and had her go and do
lineup and identify the people and talk to them about
what had happened with her case, because obviously it's very
similar and the same person is involved in both anyway,
So I started researching Rico. I was finding out who
his family members was. So I found out that Rico
had lived in San Diego, California, and he's he's related
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to a man named Raheem Callaway and that they moved
here together, and Raheem Callaway had started a wrap business
like it's called Alpha Pride Entertainment. And I mentioned that
law enforcement when I talked to that county attorney, and
I had said, you know, it makes no sense that
these men came up here all the way from San Diego,
where they're like two hours from LA where the big
(13:08):
dogs are, where real wrap is at West Coast rap
to Podunk, Montana to start this business.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And I also.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Found out that Raheem Calloway's exit dress and there's a
video on YouTube from I twenty nineteen and it's Joahim's
first music video, and Rico was in it.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
And it shows the.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Address is three thirty three Jackson and that's in the
Monroe area where in Billings, Montana, there's this area and
it's on the south side and it's like three blocks Monroe,
Jackson and another one.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I can't think of the third one right.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Now, but there are three blocks of row houses and
law enforcement tells me that that is known for human trafficking.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I found out they all moved up here together. It
made no sense to me.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
We realized when the chicaia had happened that this is
most likely human trafficking.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So I was thinking, you know, this.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Is just some old pedophile, you know that likes to
go for little younger women, you know, like date rates
and hurts them.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
And come to find out this is like.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
It exploded into this huge thing, so much bigger than.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
What it looked like for the outside.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
When when I talked to county attorney and I said,
how many times did you try to make contact with
Rico in regards to my daughter's case, He said, we
tried too, And I said, well how about Hikaya Blue
Harding tell me that they never once went to his
house to investigate it. They told me that they never
want tried to knock on his door in relation to
her case, and the only reason they did because I
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made a big deal out of it.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
But she's also white. She's white. They go to a
white girl for a white girl, and.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Girl actually they try to make contact, but don't at
all for a Native American with a history, and I
think that's absolute bullshit to the way that people look
at Native Americans here is terrible.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Oh my gosh, Darla has a ton of really important
information about Rico. It's just awful what happened to her daughter.
But wow, is she a fighter. She really advocates for
her daughter.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
Yeah, there was a ton of information she gave us
and there's a lot to unpack there, and I'm trying
to put it all together as we did it. So
I don't know, what do you think?
Speaker 6 (15:13):
I mean? You know, I'm trying not to insert my
own experiences into these cases, but it's hard not to
be a little bit triggered when you hear such graphic
detail about a sexual assault. From an investigative standpoint, you
have to separate yourself, right, you have to separate yourself
from the experience and what actually happened, And that's hard
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to do.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
a moment.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Our conversation with Darla got me thinking, I think we
also need to dig more into Chicaia's friend Aaron, since
he was at Tumbleweed and saw Shakaia in the last
days that she was seeing in July of twenty eight.
He supposedly was concerned for her safety and gave her
a knife before she went into see.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Rico and sent. So much of the interaction between Chicaia
and Rico and these other individuals happened around the Tumbleweed facility.
I think we need to talk to somebody there. The
current director is a woman named Georgia Caddy and get this,
she used to be the human trafficking person there. If
they have a position specifically for dealing with human trafficking,
it must be a serious issue.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
And maybe she'll know something about Aaron as well.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Hopefully our private investigator, Mike Tough can help track him down.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
It's worth a shot. I think we should call him.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Hey, Deanna, you're there.
Speaker 8 (16:37):
Hey, Mike's on the line too.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
How are you doing Mike?
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Hey, Mike, I'm good. How are you guys?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
We're doing quite well. So the Chikaya case. Deanna and I.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
Were talking about it earlier, kind of going over the
timeline of events and stuff, and so we're kind of
stuck on that right now when we're trying to talk
to people, and it sounds like when Chikaia left, her
and her sister weren't talking and she probably doesn't know
much that was going on in that like six month timeframe.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
So we're reaching out to people who Shakaia would have known.
One of them is the guy Aaron Peterson.
Speaker 10 (17:10):
So you said you remembered the story about how Shakaia
went walking to a park some guy saw her.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
She said I was going to meet some unknown male and.
Speaker 10 (17:18):
That he gave her a knife. So this is the
person that gave her the knife, but the story is changing.
He knew Shakaiya, he knew Shakaya, and when the sister
reached out to him, he goes, here's w you should
look at. You should look at this Rico guy, her
ex boyfriend. He was very upset that she broke up
with him, and he was threatening people like Erin. And
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so Aaron sees Shakaia talks to her. She says, well,
I'm going to talk to him right now I'm going
to take care of it right now, and he tries
to talk her out of it, like, don't go by yourself,
there's no no, no.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
He goes, well, here take this knife.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And we think that happened.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
On July twenty third, right, Okay.
Speaker 8 (17:58):
So we're trying to get a whole to this Aaron
person to see if we can talk to him and
if he could fill in some.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
More holes with us.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
So Shawnee sent us a bunch of screenshots and one
of the screenshots is I think from Shakaia's Facebook and
it's it's basically a common thread, so I can't see
you know where it happened, but I'm assuming it's Shakaia's Facebook, right.
And in the screenshots, Rico says, where are you at?
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Hit me up? And Aaron replies and says leave her alone.
Nobody likes you. You're the reason she's leaving. Then he
goes on to say he says, I'm right here. You
know if you want me, you can come find me,
and he basically they're fighting on Facebook. Okay, it's not important, right, right,
But Rico's posts had been deleted because he's it looks
like he's talking to himself, right, So then the rest
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of the screenshots are messages that Shawnee sent him and
they It starts off with do you know my sister?
And he says, yeah, I know her. She was like
a sister to me. And the person you probably need
to be looking talking to is Rico. He was obsessed
with her and they broke up, or she broke up
with him. Shawne says, well, what can you tell me
more about it? And he basically says, yeah, I saw
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her and she was walking to Rico's house and to
settle some issues. And Shawne says, well what issues? And
Aaron replied and he said she broke up with him
and he got angry and was threatening people. And then
when she saw that he was threatening me erin, she said,
I'm gonna go talk to him.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
And that's the and then.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Right he says, you know, I didn't want her to go,
but yeah, he gave her the knife.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
So that's the night, and that's that's the last she's
been seen, or that's days before that.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
We think it was the twenty third, We don't know
for sure. That's one thing. I mean, we're assuming it's
the twenty third because why do we think that? Oh,
I know no. So that night she posted a picture
to her Snapchat and it's a photo of her laying
down with Rico. And that was the last thing she
ever posted to any social media ever.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Now, Rico's the guy in jail, right, right, he's.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
The guy in jail. He's the guy with the buick.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And then the last photo that she posts of herself
ever ever is with Rico laying in bed on Snapchat.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
Right, And we have the photo.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You girls like.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
That, you know, they don't stop just out of the
blue posting. I know the sapchat, I know that.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
And she was like prolific on Facebook, like she posted
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
You don't just stop, you don't just stop. No, But man,
that when you hear about if you know she's on
Facebook constantly and suddenly she just stops, I know, that's
that's the red flag. Either a all of her phones
and she's she's held somewhere against her will, and that
means she's not even human trafficked. She's in a basement
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somewhere like the Cleveland girls and has no access to anything,
or she's deceased, correct, because if she was still prostituting
by now, she'd have had.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Access to something.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
There's no way she'd have been working the streets you know,
by a guy, and he's not going to have that
much control over her. Because even with the Johns, she
could borrow one of their phones real quick, or the
cops would have got her or something by now. So
I think she's either held prisoner somewhere against her will
totally and maybe being used as a sex slate for that,
or she's deceased somewhere.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
The other thing too. Shawnee mentioned to us that she
called the detectives to give them information and she doesn't
feel she doesn't feel like they even wrote it down.
I don't know if this is true or not right,
but she doesn't feel like they even wrote the information
down that she was giving them. So it mean, is
it possible that the cops never questioned Rico one hundred percent?
I'd like to think they would have, you know, or
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they are now you know, I mean it's an open investigation. Yeah,
they're not going to tell They're not going to tell
us that, you know, the idiot internet nerds what they're doing, right,
and they might have looked into it, or they might
still be looking into it right, like they might still
be trying to get information from him. Those are things
that we don't know.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
We don't want to make them look bad.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It's not our intent.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
And if we found anything, the first thing we do
is go to them, since they're handling the case.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah, I will email you guys are Eric and right
away as soon as I know something.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
So, Georgia, just so you know, I'm recording this phone call. Okay, okay,
So at first, if you could just tell us who
you are and what you do, that would be helpful.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I'm Georgia Katie, and I'm the executive director at Tumbleweed.
I'm also the person who started the anti trafficking program
here at Tumbleweed in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Is trafficking a big issue in Billings, Montana? Human trafficking,
I mean absolutely? How bad is it?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Well?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I mean I guess that's like kind of relative. I
mean one is too bad, right, And the type of
trafficking we see with probably over eighty five percent of
the folks that utilize our dropping center is a type
of trafficking called survival sex. So it's for a place
to stay, something to eat, a drug habit, a cell phone,
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that type of trafficking. Now we do also see the
trafficking like you see on Lifetime movies. In twenty fifteen,
when trafficking kind of hit the forefront for Montana, it's
like a big sexy thing for everybody to get behind
because oh my god, this is horrible. It can't be
happening here. We hate this, and so really went about
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doing a bunch of awareness. But the piece of awareness
that people don't like is I think it's like a
crazy statistic, like you're fifty eight percent of victims of
human trafficking or being trafficked by a family member or
a friend.
Speaker 11 (23:52):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
So then that kind of puts the brakes on you, like,
oh my gosh, and it's only like nine percent, is
like this stranger stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Do they even realize that that's happening to them if
it's being done by a friend or a family.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Member, Sometimes they do, I think, but it becomes a
normalcy to it.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
First trafficking victim, her mom and grandma gave her to
the landlord every month since she was like four to
pay the rent. So if that's happening to you, it
just seems like it's what's part of your life. These
people that are supposed to protect you and care for
you are saying, this is okay. So this is what
I do. And so when I do, when I speak
about trafficking and our drop and center, or two young
folks I come in contact with, they're like, oh my god,
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that's happening to me. You know, you can see this
kind of verbalize, but you can see this light bulb
kind of go off that they didn't really realize that
that wasn't normal.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
So like a friend could be like a boyfriend too.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Right, like, oh, claim to be a boyfriend. Worked with
another young lady who I mean, small town Montana. You
want to go see some stuff, right, and you don't
have the resources. And so this young gentleman, I mean,
he was very handsome. I only like three years age different,
so it wasn't really weird. She was seventeen, he was
like twenty one or something, and that doesn't seem strange.
He said, hey, let's go see the ocean.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Shit.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
She had never been. She's in a tire old town
here in Montana. Jumps in with her boyfriend. You know,
they get part way there and lo and behold they
have no money. Well, if you want to keep going.
Just do this for me, babe. You know, it's okay,
it's this is not a bad thing. And so they
end up getting pulled over like three states away as
he's traffing her across several states, and when it gets pulled.
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When they get pulled over, she's telling the officers, this
is my boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
She's saying, I have no idea who that is.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I just picked her up in the last town she
was to give her a ride, right, And so then
there's the and so she's struggling with the fact that
I thought I was he was my boyfriend, you know, So.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
He like manipulated her into like working for him pretty much.
Speaker 11 (25:45):
Absolutely yes, And I imagine that happens with like people
that have some sort of trauma or they're vulnerable, they
just not love right, Like absolutely yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
And you don't imagine that somebody that Clint Fessus, you know,
with your best interest, to do that to you. I
can tell you story after story. They're master manipulators. They're
just people in the world that are really out for
themselves and they just they have some charisma and they
just have a real way of like manipulating and being
able to pick out vulnerabilities, right, and our young people
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are all over social media. You tell everything like my
hate my mom, right, my mom so mean and she
and she Now I'm grounded for three weeks. Oh, if
you come with me, I wouldn't do that, you know.
And so they pray on those things that and you're
so beautiful that that these young people want to hear.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
We've been looking at, you know, talking to several different
people and looking at different cases. We were presented with
a case from a girl from Billings, Montana who went
missing and she's still missing too. Who is that, Shakaia
Blue Herding.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I know Shakaya. Yeah, we've been worked with our family
and stuff was movie for a while. I actually have
every day.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
It reminds me why I come to work here. I
have a letter in my drawer that I open every
day to get the key to my foul cabinet out.
And it's a piece of mail that's Shakaya Harding's now.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Oh you're kidding.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
I'll never forget. The day that I last saw her,
I was practicing my presentation. I was getting ready to
go out and do awareness training, and I was in
there dropping Center Resource Center, and I was practicing it.
And she was plopped on the couch and she had
just washed her hair and it smelled so good of
like smelly shampoo, and she had fuzzy socks on these sweatpants.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And she was sat down there and she was eating her.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Lunch and just looked like she typical teenager or young
adult posied up on a couch watching a movie. And
she was very interested in my presentation. And as I
began to kind of speak with her a little bit,
she she kind of shut down, but she was listening.
And then she left that day and I said, see
you later, Hikaya Bhi.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I can still.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Smell that, and then she had this prettiest tear Yah
ever did see.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
The story we.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Were told is that back in twenty eighteen, Chakaia had
had some trauma in her life. Unfortunately, she was self
medicating with drugs. Absolutely, there were some issues between her
and her family. They became kind of distant. Shakaya was
apparently living on the street. She was using Tumbleweed services. Yeah,
she made a post about how great tumbleweed was. It
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was the best place, and it sounds like she got
a lot of benefit out of it. She wasn't in
contact with her family as much. At one point in time,
the family members start going, hey, has anybody seen Chikaia
and they realize they haven't seen her. This is now
August twenty eighteen. Then they start looking for and realizing
one of the last places she was at was at
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Tumbleweed and she had been on July twenty fourth. She
was very active on Facebook, making several posts, and all
of a sudden it just stops. And so July twenty
fourth on Facebook there was another person staying at Tumblee
that time. I guess a guy named Aaron who had
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befriended Shakaia and he refers to her as her sister.
She is going to go see this person. I'm just
going to say his name. His name is Rico. Aaron
tries to, hey, let me go with you. I don't
think it's safe for you. Let me go with you,
and she goes, no, no, no, I'm going to go
by myself. I'm going to take care of it. I'm
going to talk to him. I'm going to sort this
all out. I don't, and so she goes goes to
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talk to Rico. Supposedly, either the twenty third or she
posts a picture on her snapchat with her and Rico,
and then is never seen again. So it appears that
this Rico person has something to do with it. Law
enforcement says they've talked to him, he admits he has
nothing to do with it. But the going theory is
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this guy Rico had something to do with her disappearance.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
He said, I have heard and or given to those
spaces that should have it.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Good, well, yeah, we're kind of just kind of keeching
us all together, you know, like it's just a sad
story and the family is so desperate for information. Let's
stop here for another quick break. So while we wait
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to hear back from Mike, our Pi and Montana, can
we talk about Jared real quick in Florida Totally. We
both thought at the beginning this was a carjacking gone bad,
But the more we dig into the carjacking, it doesn't
look like that, right, do you agree?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Yeah, especially with all the other stuff going around involving
Jared's first marriage and his ex wife, it really feels
like a targeted hit. It also feels like whoever killed
Jared wasn't acting alone.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Yeah, it's just too complicated to be a carjacking, right, Yeah,
So I was thinking, while we wait for our Florida
PI Chris Algato to do a little digging, I thought
we should talk to friends specialist Joseph Morgan. He works
with Katie Studios a lot, and he might be able
to help us gain a new insight into Jared's murder
or maybe talk us through the crime seat a little.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
That would be really helpful to have his eyes on
this as if it was a target to hit like
we think now and not a carjacking gone bad.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
This case really got to me because I was in
this man's position in sense that you know, we're blended family,
and it was contentious, and of course it never rose
to this level. And this poor woman now is you know,
has got these precious babies that she's gonna have to
raise on her own, and Lord only knows what's going
to happen to those twins, And so I want to
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do anything I can do to help her. I've got
real heart for this case. Simply from that perspective. There's
a couple of areas that are going to be very significant. Obviously,
you know you'd mentioned the casing that will be in particular,
I'd like to know more about specifics out the weapon,
and I'm assuming that there were stent cases that were
(32:04):
collected at the scene. Also, I think that that perpetrator,
in my opinion, at least had had a hide set up.
I think that probably is pretty obvious. Yes, so for me,
and if I remember, you know, down it's Florida like that,
you're going to get rained, you know, I don't know,
maybe three four days. It doesn't really go into a
(32:25):
drought condition down there, and the soil will remain pretty
consistently damp. I'm very curious to see if they were
able to identify footprints or tak impressions out of the
soil where this person would have been stomping around.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
They did search that wooded area the right there, right right,
and they did have dogs too. I've kind of collected
just some like facts about stuff. So they did have dogs,
they did search that area, but they're not letting anybody
know what they found. There's no information and even Kirsten
doesn't know. So yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Can certainly address that from a connectivity standpoint and why
that would be important absolutely because this individual would have
been dismounted at that point.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Time.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
And also something else that's kind of very interesting. Is
this tire slash rim thing that they found out at
the road, that's going to have a very specific nomenclature
on it, an identifier and the point of origin of that. Now,
if a person had been wise that had set this up,
they would have just gone to some random location and
(33:33):
picked this thing up. But if it's something that had
been that has connectivity to the perktrator's life, and there's
all kinds of identifiers that we can get off there.
First off, just the making model of the tire cell
or what type of tire that rim would have held
serial numbers on that rim, which that was my understanding
I had taken that away at some point time that
(33:54):
it was not. At first it came out that it
was a tire and then I heard rim and I
heard a tire. Both it is both and so those
are going to be very specific. And also the acquisition
of that item. I'd like to know if they had
any kind of wear patterns on the tire, like was
it an old tire, was it a tire that had
(34:16):
been kept back for some time? Did the tire because
rubber could show evidence of aging and weathering, even if
it's not being used. When did they create that series
of tires? Who the manufacturer was. There's a lot of
tie backs of that, and I think for me, there's
no general way to put it, but an assessment of
(34:37):
Jared's injuries is going to be very vital because I'm
particularly keen on range of fire.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
So they say it was three to four feet away
from him.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
They did release that, So we're going to be if
that is the case, and there were multiple gunshots simple
fire because the baby. I remember person saying at that
time the baby had said boom boom boom, Daddy falls
down or something like that.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Yes, boom boom boom, Daddy on the ground.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, daddy on the ground.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
And we also have we also have video footage where
you from a doorbell and you can hear there's there's
three shots. We even found the so the tire has
been traced to a Ford F one fifty and the
police have released surveillance footage of a Ford F one
fifty with a spare tire on it. And but they
(35:33):
don't say where they got the surveillance footage. But we
John Green and I found where they got the surveillance
footage and it goes right back to the xif's house.
It's less than a block from her house. So it's
very interesting.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It's very interesting as a death Investigator's very telling to
me the level of callous mus that's involved in this,
right when you'll execute a man with his baby in
a car seat in the vehicle, and there had to
be an awareness of that this was not robbed. It was,
to the best of my knowledge at least, no he
was taken other than his life, you know, So that
(36:08):
you know, that puts a real it puts a it's
a different lens to look at this through and say,
you know, some other kind of randomized event that might
have occurred out of just an impassionate event that's a
one off, or certainly anything that's connected to to another crime,
you know, robbery or something like that. So I think
there's a lot that we could probably dig into. And
(36:29):
I'll beach'all's disposal.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
I'm going to send you an email with our document
and you can look at it whenever you want, yeah, sure,
And it has linked it has links to all the
pictures and everything like that. And then I'll remind you
about Sunday too.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Okay, and I'll try it between now and then. I'll
look at this and I'll try to come up with
a bulleted list of points.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Sounds good.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Again, I have Mike on.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Okay, Hi, Mike go.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
The last time we spoke.
Speaker 9 (36:57):
With Mike the p I, we discussed not have him
reaching out to Yellowstone County Sheriff's Department and ask if
they would share some an update on anything that wishikaia
as a professional courtesy from one law enforcement to another.
And you said you reached out to them and you
had some good, good.
Speaker 7 (37:16):
Stuff, is what you said.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
I reached out to the detective Fritz Riostone County. He's
a detective assigned to her case. I said, we're working
on this podcast. We're working on this case, and we
don't I go. I want to get this out of
the way. We're not here to bombard you with false
leads or you know, are what we are theories.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
We're going to tell you what we know.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
If we find something good, we'll let you know, and
we're going to verify it before we tell you and
all that. But we are looking at this and we
also don't want to be looking at stuff that we
don't that is a waste of time. So I said great,
So I go do you know Rico?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
And he goes, oh, yeah, we know Rico.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
And I said, did you guys interview him about her?
And he goes, yes, we did. I said, did you
clear him? And he goes, no, we did not clear him.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
No shit.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
He goes, what does that mean?
Speaker 5 (38:03):
He goes, well, by time we got the case, as
you know, it's been a while, so evidence is cold.
So all we could do is just sit down and
talk to him. And he pretty much just kept saying,
don't know what you're talking about. Nope, don't know what
you're talking about. Nope, didn't happen, nope, you know, And
he goes, he just basically, you know, he's a career criminal.
He was not going to give up any info because
(38:24):
he knew we were buying the eight ball anyways, right,
so he goes, right, so he's not going to say anything,
and he didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
He goes, but he is not.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Clear because he agrees with us if it is true
that she went to see him the last time she
has ever seen and then the snapchat picture of her
in bed with him was the last picture that she
put out on social media. Of herself. Then yeah, clearly
he's a person of interest. And he goes, well, I
think he's in prison. And I go, I go, I
think he's in Yellowstone County jail.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
And he goes really And I go, yeah, I go
check your roster. Yeah, he goes, last time.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Heard he was in prison.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
I go, well, I think he's been moving yells from
kind of jail. He might have a court for seeding
coming up. And he goes, well, that's interesting thing.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Okay, I'll look at that.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
And I said good. So then I said, well, do
you have her DNA? Because I know as law enforcement,
let's say her body's found in Arizona, okay, but she
has no idea on her, so they have no idea
who this person is. They will submit her DNA into
a database to see if it gets a hit on
(39:27):
as as somebody put her DNA in there as she's
a missing person. And he goes, no, we didn't do
that because the mother couldn't produce anything to us that
would have her daughter's DNA on it. But I said, yeah,
but she could do the mother and the father And
he goes yes and no, And I go, do tell
(39:48):
And he said Montana doesn't allow that, does it? Our
crime lab can't do that, but the FBI can. And
he goes, I have the mom's DNA and the dad's DNA.
They signed Elstone County's consent form for us to submit
the DNA, but the FBI told us, no, you need
to have them sign our consent for him. He goes,
(40:09):
So I sent the consent, our new FBI consent form
to mom, and I sent one to dad. I've got
moms back, I have never received dads. So basically we're stuck.
But I said, well, if we can get the dad
to sign the form with that help, he goes, I
will take all the help I can get from you, guys.
He goes. If you can get him to sign that,
(40:32):
and you can get that form to me, we will
send it the next day to the FBI. She'll be
in the database.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Maybe we'll get a hit.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
The question for you guys to ask the sister is
does she have contact with dad? And if she does,
can she get him to sign the form when we.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Get the form and get.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
It back to us.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
So that's the big question there. That's what you guys
got to take care because.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
You know her, right, Yeah, so I'll certainly do that.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
So that's what I know.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
That's incredible, That is such good news. More on that
next time.
Speaker 7 (41:02):
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