December 13, 2023 • 56 mins
John and Deanna reach out to Michael Streed, CEO of SketchCop Solutions to create an age progression photo of Shacaiah. A shocking arrest is made in Jareds case.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies
in the basement.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I'm come to find out. This is like it exploded
into this huge thing.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I knew, I just knew something was wrong.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Police say thirty three year old Jared Bride Again was
shot dead.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I kept calling his phone during the drive.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.
It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying
he was targeted.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Eventually a police officer answered and told me to come
to the police station.
Speaker 6 (00:34):
Justice is something that takes different shapes or forms.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
If you know something, heard something, please it's never too
late to.
Speaker 7 (00:43):
Do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I
spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in
the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get
animal abusers arrested.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators.
We spent over a year and a half trying to
get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man
that was killing cats online and he was threatening to
move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnatta.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called
Don't Fuck with Cats.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills
to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So last time we spoke to Shikaia's momb tamera, she
had been planning a trip to go down to Arizona
to meet with a sketch artist who was going to
create an update to look on what Chakaya could look like.
And John, we got pretty excited about that because you know,
missing person posters are super important when you're trying to
find somebody who's missing, right, correct.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
These updated photos could serve as an invaluable tool because
we tend to think of the miss person as we've
last seen them, which they may not look like that today.
So her parents over the last four years could have changed.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Right, And you know, Shakai has been kind of living
a hard life, possibly so the environment, the elements they
can aid you in different ways, so we were pretty
excited about the chance of possibly getting an updated photo
of Chicaya. However, since we last spoke to Tamra, her
trip has gotten canceled. So John, we were thinking it
(02:27):
might be interesting if we could do our own sketch
for Shakaya's family so that we could do some new
missing person posters, so we reached out to Michael W.
Speaker 8 (02:35):
Streed.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Michael is the CEO, president, and co founder of SketchCop Solutions.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
He is also a retired police investigator, a certified forensic artist,
and there's one of the world's most experienced forensic facial
imaging and identification consultants.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
His facial composite software app, SketchCop, is used by law
enforcement agencies around the world. We ended up finding him
on his website SketchCop dot com.
Speaker 9 (03:00):
Hello, how are you doing Indiana?
Speaker 10 (03:03):
I'm wonderful are you?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And you're with SketchCop right, That is my company.
Speaker 9 (03:09):
I've been a police officer for over thirty years, retired
as a police sergeant. During my career, I developed sketching
skills and started working on a lot of different cases
throughout Orange County, LA County, and so when I ended
my career, I decided to start a consulting business to
provide investigative assistance to agencies that needed some sort of
friendsic facial imaging, whether it be composite sketches, eye withness, interviews,
(03:33):
a skull reconstruction from unidentified remains most recent over the
last couple of years, gotten into one to one facial
comparison and analysis. And my latest skill set is actually
cranio facial overlays and skull face overlays where you have
device as AI supported software that can take a three
(03:54):
D skull and lay over a two D photograph and
align it properly and do an analysis a scope along
staff person.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (04:02):
So anything anything with facial identification. And I forgot the
failing age progression that the I do a lot of
age progression missing persons, people who passed away, you know,
early in life. Their loved ones want to see what
could have been. So I always tell people it's a
boutique agency that pretty much does.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Anything involving the face and facial illustration and facial identification.
Speaker 9 (04:24):
I've been doing it like this for over forty years
now and I've worked on cases that no one's ever
heard of. I've worked on cases that made news around
the world, you know, anywhere from children abducted off the
street and raped and murdered and the suspects have been arrested,
you know, serial killers, zero robbers, zero rapists. I mean
so and I've worked in you know, for small agencies.
(04:47):
I'm under contract to LAPD how to provide sketch services
for them, as well as the Baltimore Police Department as well.
First of all, there's not a lot of people who
specialize in doing age progression images. I was actually fortunate
enough to be trained by the National Center for Missing
Exploded Children by the artists back in the nineties who
pioneered the technique. And so, whereas a lot of people,
(05:10):
a lot of artists who do the work, they actually
do a sketch based upon a photograph of the person.
I actually use the photograph of the person and create
a photographic looking end image.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
One thing I wanted to ask you, do people like
hire you privately to do this kind of thing normally
or is it normally law enforcement that reaches out to you.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
No, it's it's both.
Speaker 10 (05:31):
Actually, so we've been working on a missing person's case,
and she's been missing for four years.
Speaker 9 (05:40):
You know, four years isn't going to be a lot
of time and terms pright of aging an adult. However,
if you know people who go missing, whether voluntary or involuntarily,
it's going to take its toll. Unhealthy lifestyle and unhealthy diet,
things like that. So there may be some structural changes
in the face and maybe a more weathered appearance in
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terms of you know, people who aren't taking care of
their hygiene necessarily, so a photograph of her could be
updated to reflect that more so than any.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Type of aging.
Speaker 9 (06:12):
The cool thing is, and the.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Good thing about these things the image updates age progressions
is it gets that face in front of the media
and gets in front of people, It generates information.
Speaker 9 (06:23):
It becomes a focal point. Basically, it's a reason to
go out to the media is because of a reason
to get someone interested in the case like this, because
facts are nothing more than words. Now you've got an
image to go with that. I'd like to have as
close a photograph to taken to the time that they disappeared,
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and of course, you know, the.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Best quality possible. Any known health issues, any known drugger
or alcohol abuse issues.
Speaker 9 (06:52):
As much information I have as possible, as good a
photographs as possible, then get to work.
Speaker 10 (06:58):
I would love to make a new poster for her,
you know what I mean, like be able to make
a new poster to give to these organizations that are
sharing for information, include a photo with you know, your
information and stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That would be amazing.
Speaker 10 (07:09):
Anything we could do to move this along.
Speaker 9 (07:11):
We'd be happy to do right now. For example, you know,
human traffic is a big thing. But again you know
with the FEDS especially, but with local police departments, you know,
they're having trouble holding onto people. They're having trouble with
recruiting people. So a lot of things that were important
before aren't so much important now. For example, nowadays, they're
probably going to take a missing person's report, They're going
to put it in the computer, so it's an NCIC.
(07:33):
So if somebody happens upon this person on the street,
you know, they get a report someone panhandling, they get
to report someone acting suspiciously, you know, a beat officers
in to contact them and they may find in their
missing person and oftentimes unless there's some sort of reason
to take them into some sort of protective custody. They're
just going to verify they're okay, they're going to clear
(07:55):
amount of the system of the person's going to go
on about their life because there's no there's no mandate
for the officers to return an adults or their family
supported missing missing kids is much different, so you don't
get a lot of follow up. And and you know, Johnny,
you're saying earlier that you you know, you guys are
having difficultly wrapping your head around the fact that she
hasn't been contacted by the police in four years. And trafficking.
(08:19):
The trafficking organizations are very sophisticated and oftentimes they secure
these people in homes, they lock them down, they're virtually
in jail. Basically, they're always escorted by somebody typically is
going to make sure that they don't make contact or
ask for help and such. And they may be being
trapped in remote areas where there's very few law enforcement
(08:40):
and or big cities that are that are so big
and so busy with homicides and other crimes they don't
have time to pay attention to it. So it's not
surprising to me, based upon my experience, that she hasn't
been contact at this point. But podcasts like what you
guys are doing and immediate type of attention that you
guys are giving to this case. And again, like I
(09:00):
talked about earlier, doing a fresh, updated image, it gives
the public, It gives the media something to look at,
something to see, something visual, and now there's a reason
to tell her story, there's a reason to get eyes
back on, there's a reason to bring it around. You know,
sometimes it takes a fresh set of eyes, and people
like yourself, they're really enthusiastic about it because I think
(09:23):
sometimes again and when law enforcement gets overwhelmed, they're almost
in a trios situation. And in some cases, you know,
it's sad to say, you know, most professions where there's
a lot of high trauma, they see a lot of
things where there's doctors, emergency or in personnelity, costs, fronment.
We become jaded after a while, and it kind of affects,
you know, how the enthusiasm which we approach certain types
(09:45):
of investigations and cases. And again, you know, I think
if you talk to anybody in the media that's going
to be honest about it when they talk about missing
persons cases and why indigenous people and marginalized communities and
such don't get the attention that people feel they deserve.
It's because a lot of cases, unfortunately, maybe the facts
aren't as riveting and or would not get the ratings
(10:07):
as some other really oddball murder. I mean, look at
the success you guys had with the don't mess with
caps catch You title compelling material. But at the same time,
if it wasn't for you guys, nobody would have really
paid attends to really cared. So, you know, kudos to
you guys, and hopefully you guys will have the kind
of success you enjoyed.
Speaker 10 (10:25):
The previous case on this one without without a murder happening.
Speaker 9 (10:28):
With the ideal, without a murder happening, it would be ideal.
And anytime you can avoid a murder, it's always.
Speaker 11 (10:33):
Feel trust me.
Speaker 10 (10:34):
I mean, I'm not trying to joke about it, but yeah,
without a murder, having the idea, No, you're right, it's
the circumstances surrounding a lot of these missing murdered Indigenous people.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Are just sad circumstances.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It is.
Speaker 10 (10:46):
They're not necessarily quote unquote entertainment, right, It's just sad.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
When I talked to Shakai's mom. I can't help but
be reminded of my own mother. I was born in Detroit,
and I lived in Detroit till I was about eleven
years old. And then when I was eleven, my family,
my mom and my brother and I moved to southern California.
And I lived in Southern California till I was about
twenty two, and then I moved to Las Vegas. So
(11:18):
I grew up with like a really like wide range
of cultures, right Like I grew up on the Midwest,
and then I grew up on the you know, southern California,
and then I went, you know, straight to Vegas. So
I kind of have a Hodgepodge in my background. Where
I moved to in southern California was like a beach town,
so it was one hundred percent culture shock. You know.
(11:38):
I had never seen the ocean and big, huge waves
and you know, in the eighties it was like totally
tubular and like that was all totally new for me.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
And then Vegas.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Did you go there for work or what brought you to.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That's a hard story to tell. My mom moved to
Las Vegas with my little brother when I was eighteen,
and I tried to stay in California as long as
I could. But you know, I was young, trying to
put my way through college and working and then getting
laid off and working and going to school, and it
was just so hard to do by myself in a
(12:15):
really really like cost prohibitive area of the country. And
so I just I kind of wanted. Something happened, and
we can get into it. It kind of goes into
some other things about me, but something happened, and I
just I really wanted my mommy. And I know that
sounds crazy, but my mom and I were Excuse me,
my mom and I were like super close. I missed
(12:38):
my mom. Hold on, I'm totally okay. So in twenty
twenty seventeen, my mom was diagnosed to it colon cancer,
and it got to the point where she couldn't take
care of herself anymore, and she moved in with me,
and I ended up, you know, well, of course I
(13:01):
have to work, you know, working and taking being her caregiver,
and like during my whole filming of Don't f with
Cats and you know everything, I was in the middle
of being this caregiver for my mom, and that was
in twenty eighteen. It came out in twenty nineteen, and
she died shortly after. She died right at the beginning
of COVID. She didn't die from COVID, she died from cancer.
(13:21):
But yeah, no, she passed. It's okay, I mean we
were like incredibly close.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
So that was hard.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I totally lost myself and her illness, you know, like
I gained a bunch of weight. I didn't care about
like what I looked like. I mean, I was just
so busy with her care. You know, I didn't have
a social life. I lost, you know, my fiance at
the time left because it was just too much. Like
her care was so hard and I would do it
again in a heartbeat. I'm not complaining, like I would
(13:49):
do it a hundred times over, but it was just
so hard. And then all of a sudden, she's gone,
and it was like, okay, now what you know, Like shit,
I because I had lost myself in her so I
totally like kind of figure out who I was again.
And I'm just now two years later getting to that
point where I'm like, okay, now I remember who I
was and talking with Tamara a lot of the times
(14:09):
I think about my mom. And obviously my mom did
not have a missing daughter. I mean that, you know,
never happened. But my mom had a super hard life,
like a super fucking hard life. I feel like that
she experienced the same kind of hardships, and so I
have a lot of empathy for her, and I feel
like this really like parasocial relationship with her, Like I
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feel close to her for some reason. And it might
be because I'm you know, missing my mom. I don't know,
but yeah, I definitely have a lot of empathy for her,
a lot.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
A couple days later, we got the photos of Shakaia.
In this first photo, Shakya looks innocently at the camera,
her hand pushing her long brown hair behind her ear.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And in the other photo she's grinning at the camera.
But I have to say she looks absolutely beautiful in
both photos, Like can't I can't convey to the audience
how beautiful she is. The producers at Katie Studios are
going to share this on their Instagram at Kati Underscore Studios.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Get even.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's Mike, Hi, Mike, It's Diana, Hey Deanna, how are you?
I'm awesome, how are you?
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Well? You know, it's hard to beat, but I'm doing
pretty well.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I have the photos from the family. Is it okay
if I send them to you?
Speaker 10 (15:29):
Now?
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
All right, Michael, I have your email. I saved it
last time we talked. Chicaia bluehearting is the subject? All right,
I'm gonna send them, right Neil, all right, cool, I
sent them.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
A matter of fact, your email just came through. Let
me take a look at these, all right, cool, I'm looking.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
At both pictures here. Let me open up this other one.
I'm looking to see what image size they are.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
The very first one where she's in a white top,
it's almost a full face picture. That's like four inch
by four inch, which that's not too bad a size,
and a lot of the graininess.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
It's not as grainy as when you were describing.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I thought it was gonna be like horrible. It's not
bad at all, Ash, I'll probably give yeah. And as
a matter of fact, this other one is going to
be okay. This one's thirteen by seventeen, so this is
all right. This is this is a bigger file. So
probably what I'm going to do. First of all, you know,
if she.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Has this youthful look, she's probably not going to like,
you know, how long she's been missing. Nowt four years.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
She's been missing four years, and she will be So
she went missing when she was nineteen, so she'd be
twenty three.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Now I'll have to turn these photos.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I'll rotate them and crop them and get them all
lined up and such, and get that Facebook back together,
because I only have like I've got on the one
I've got I'm missing just the top of the head
just a little bit, and then the other one I've
got the full face, but I really I kind of
want to put her smile on that on the on
the one where she's got the white, put the middle
of her face in that because there's more of her
hair in fullness and such.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
I'll look and see. The other thing is.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Does mom have any pictures of herself at twenty two?
I can ask there's a couple of reasons why is it. One,
if she resembles either one of the parents a lot.
I can skew that towards if I have pictures of
the parents at twenty two, then kind of put her
in the aging it's one thing, and then kind of
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giving it that lifestyle look in terms of if I
have to you know, holler her cheeks out a little bit,
or make her eyes look a little more tired and
stuff because of the lifestyle she's probably living.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And she's got like a really unique like nose and
cheap cheeks and stuff. I think. And I mean, she's
just a beautiful, beautiful girl, and she has got really
long black hair. But there have been there was one
sighting of her about a year after she went missing
that set her hair. She was wearing her hair short.
That they didn't say, but I did read though that
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victims of human traffic often have their identity stripped from them.
And one of the ways that you that you strip
the identity from a woman as you cut their hair. Right,
So I don't know, like today, obviously I have no
idea what her hair looks like, but it might be
shorter than this, you know, long black hair that she
usually wears.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Well, that's the cool thing about digital is that I
can actually, once I work on the face, I can
give her a couple of three different hairstyles.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Oh that'd be great, Yeah, you can.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
You can give there's a you know, you could take
the chopped off hair, maybe the hair pulled back, the
ponytail and or maybe just it long but maybe not
so fine.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Maybe it'll frizzy, a little rough looking, maybe something like that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Oh, that would be wonderful. That way they can use,
you know, several different ones that they're like, this is
a possibility, this is a possibility. This that would be fabulous.
Mom would really love that.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
I don't believe in doing too many because I think
what happens is is people take it literally and they
think that they think they're looking for ten different people.
But I think you know, if you have a couple
different choices for them to look at, you know, again
your relative to this sighting, the possible sighting, her hair
was significantly shorter. You can do that and maybe something
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pulled back, because again you want people looking at the face,
and that the short hair and the hair pulled back,
it forces people to focus on the face because she's
not likely to have some big bluffont and some big
giant hair dude like eighties hair, you know where you
just all you look at is damn that hair. Look
at that hair.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
I mean, I'd love to have hair like that versus
looking at her face.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Okay, I like that. No, I think that's really smart. See,
there's a reason you're an expert. All right, buddy, I
really appreciate you and all your.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Time you as well, and I'll be in touch soon.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Okay, all right, cool, okay, thanks byee.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
a moment.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
After everything happened in twenty twelve, when Luca murdered Jenlyn,
I went to therapy because I needed somebody to talk to.
And I was in therapy for months. And you have
to remember this is back in twenty twelve, this is many,
many years ago. And my therapist was like, you know,
I really want to test you for Aspergers. And I
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was like what.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
I was so offended.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well, I never went back to her after that. I
was so offended. So after my mom died in twenty twenty,
I had to go to therapy. My whole life was
upended when my mom died, like totally upended. And she
was like, you know, I want to test you for
autism spectrum disorder. And I was like what the same
(20:45):
thing right? And I explained to her, you know, listen,
in twenty twelve, they wanted to test me for Aspergers,
and now you want to test me for autism, Like
what the you know, and I went through all the testing,
they talked all my family. I mean, it was like
it was exhausting. But let me tell you something. After
I got my die diagnosis, I have autism. Because I
was very upset when I got my diagnosis. I mean
I was, you know, I was upset because I was like,
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you know, what could I have been? What could I
have become in my life had I got diagnosed at
an early age? What could I have become if I
had been given tools to handle these things? Like how
would I be successful? Would I be? Like And it's
funny too. My therapist was telling me one of the
symptoms or you know, offshoots of autism is this sense
(21:30):
of justice. Part of the spectrum is the inability to
accept injustice, like we just can't deal with the unfairness
of injustice. And I never knew that before. And when
she told me that, I was like, are you kidding me?
And she was like yeah, I couldn't believe it. Literally,
(21:52):
I'm not even kidding you. I felt like the clouds
parted and the birds started singing, and I was like, Okay,
this all makes sense. You know. It made me feel good,
made me feel good, so and of course, you know,
I don't believe anybody. So I got home and I
was like googling right away asd justin, you know, but yeah,
I couldn't believe it. But when I first got the diagnosis,
I had this thing in my head. It's so silly,
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like rain Man. That was my understanding of autism. Like
I was ignorant, I had no idea. But I've come
to the conclusion, like where I am now is not
like in spite of my autism, it's because of it.
It makes me unique to be where I'm at. You know,
I can do anything. This isn't really going to hold
me back, like and it makes me uniquely qualified, you know,
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in certain aspects that make me really unique. So it's
not necessarily a bad thing at all, but it took
me a while to get there.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
While we work to pursue a few other leads and
chase down information on both Chicaia and Jared's case, SketchCop
was able to provide some insight into its process.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Have a listen, Okay, so it's asked to create an
age progression of Chakaia. This is actually going to be
an image update. Shakai has been missing for four years,
and I didn't really feel that that was enough time
to show any sort of aging. And typically with adults,
you know, you reach a certain apex in aging and
then you start to go downhill, as they say, you know,
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the face starts showing signs of age. You know, lines
start to develop, you know, skin gets a little bit rougher,
there's some sag here and there. So I think because
of what was described as possibly a harmful lifestyle and
or being the victim of human trafficking, which that sort
of lifestyle, you know, being shuttled from city to city,
(23:35):
country to country, you know, having a poor diet, not
no access to medical treatment, that's going to accelerate the
aging a little bit. What I wanted to do is
make these facial features in his face a little brighter,
a little crisper. I work in photoshop a loze. They've
got a lot of neural type of filters now, and
one of them is like a color corrector a photo fixer,
(23:58):
and that would allowed me to work on an image
and retouch that photo. It takes the picture and reassemble
the pixels and stitch them together in such a way
that you get a clear, crisper picture. So I source
other photos to use in these image updates and such,
and you want to find a pose is consistent with
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the picture. So at the same time, I wanted to
get as much of her face looking forward to increase
the opportunity for identifications. I can change the gaze of
her eyes easily as well. But now we've got pretty
much a full facial image. A little bit just a
small degree of turning there, but this will help me
find more easily find I should say, a suitable hairstyle
(24:44):
and a suitable reference picture to integrate into her face,
to show some of the wear and tear the lifestyle has.
Now that I've got the clarity I want in the
picture and the gaze that I want, now I'm going
to go ahead and I'm going to grab some references
as well, an updated neckline, maybe some eyebrows that aren't
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as well groomed, and so these are some of the elements,
and I could use more, but these are the ones
that I'm going to start with. You know, once I
put the puzzle together, then it's a matter of making
sure all the pieces fit well. And I'm like a
puzzle which has all these lines between the pieces. We
want to smooth those lines out so it looks like
a regular picture of her. And I think the last
thing I want to bring is this face. I found
(25:27):
a very similar shape face. I'm not so concerned about
the mouth, but the eyes look pretty good. The nose,
I don't think we're using nose. We're gonna use some
of the lines and cheek bones and such and kind
of the shrunkening face just a bit. There's lots of
cleanup in here to do, and a lot of digital
painting and a lot of erasing and color matching and
(25:48):
making sure that everything fits properly. So I'll go around
typically and let me go ahead and pick a brown color,
like a dark brown from her eyes there and through
with the pencil tool, and I will just kind of
work around and just kind of give more definition to
(26:08):
her face.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
There's so many different reasons I have for doing what
I do, And I mean, this isn't something I share often,
and I've never talked about it publicly, but my therapist
has been on my ass to do so. But I
had my own situation in nineteen ninety four, when I
was like twenty two. I was the victim of an
assault and it was a sexual assault and I never
(26:35):
did anything about it. I was I felt shame. And again,
this is a different time, right, my family didn't live
in the area I was living. I was embarrassed. I
thought that I had done it to myself.
Speaker 10 (26:48):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Like this, somehow this is my fault. I never went
to the authorities. I never told my friends, like I
never talked about it. And it's always been there in
the back of my head, you know what I mean,
Like I do think shaped my outlook on like getting justice.
It's just now I know, you know, because I've gotten
confidence and you know, times have changed and everything. I
(27:11):
know that I did nothing wrong. I know that now,
But back then I felt so much shame. It this
was all my fault. I promise, I'm fine. I promise.
I think it really has shaped me. It's just another brick, right,
It's another brick in that wall of who I am.
Bad shit happens to everybody, and again, it's not my fault.
(27:32):
And I don't have any you know, resentment of myself.
I wish I would have done something, but I'm not.
You know, I'm not blaming myself anymore, and that's great,
But it took me a long time to get there.
And so like when I when I, especially with Shakaya, right,
I feel I wasn't certainly in any way like Shakaia.
I was totally different, but I feel she's a victim
(27:54):
of the same kind of like system, but on a
much bigger scale for her, right, And so I have
like I feel, especially with Shakaiya and Tamera too, I
feel like they need more voices.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I don't think you have to be a victim of
a sexual assault to have any like relatability with Shakaia,
but I do think it helps, right, Like I'm sure
John Green has just as much drive that eyes I
do defind Shakaia, but I just think that's it's an
additional spark, right, It's another match strike.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
We hear the term justice all the time.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
How do you define that?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
What's your version of that? When somebody pays the price
for their wrongdoings and gives the victims a voice, that's
justice to me. So, as Ketch Coop is working on
our age progression photos, we got some unbelievable news that
makes this work so gratifying and fulfilling. So it's Tuesday night,
(28:52):
It's about ten thirty. I just got home. While I
was out, I got an email from Shawnee, who is
Kaya's sister. It's Consent and Information Form National Missing Person's
DNA Database, and it's a statement of consent and privacy.
So the FBI had been asking for Shakaia's father to
(29:15):
sign a release saying that they could take possession of
his DNA, and they're doing that. They already have the mothers.
They're doing that because they don't have Shakaia's DNA and
if she pops up somewhere in a hospital and she
doesn't know who she is or God forbid, Jane Doe
body that they need to identify, they need her DNA
(29:36):
on file so that they can do a compare. So,
according to Detective Fritz at the Elstone County Sheriff's Office,
he had been trying to get in touch with the
father for quite some time to get this DNA form signed.
I got an email from Shawnay it is the form
signed by her father, and I'm overjoyed. And I texted
(30:00):
John Green immediately and I'm like, you're not gonna believe this,
This could find her. Like I was emotional and calmed
down a little bit since then, but I'm still kind
of shaky.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
But getting an updated sketch of Shakaia wasn't the only
good news we got.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
While I was about to start working, I went online
and I saw something that got us very excited. Three
law enforcement sources on Monday night confirmed to News for
Jacks that there has been a major development in the
twenty twenty two murder investigation of Jared Bride, again, a
father of four. These sources each confirmed that arrest related
to the case will be made and announced on Wednesday. Okay,
(30:38):
so Wednesday, that's wow. I think they found the Ford
F one fifty, right, Okay, And I think they found
the Ford F one fifty from.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
The tire that would be the connection point, right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Right, like the batch and the lot and all that, right. Yeah,
they traced it to where it was sold and then
went through records maybe, and then from there they found
they also have DNA, possibly from the showcasing, but no match.
Let's say they find the owner of the F one fifty,
they follow this person around I don't know whatever, get
(31:16):
trash and they make a match. The one thing I
don't know is tomorrow when somebody's arrested, is it's somebody
that like, we've never heard this person's name, you know,
and they were like hired by somebody, do you know
what I mean? But I was thinking about, let me
call Chris. So there's tomorrow at noon Florida time, Eastern
(31:42):
Standard time, there's going to be a press conference from
the District Attorney and the police department, and they're supposed
to be announcing an arrest in this case. And I'm
fascinated by that. And the reason I wanted to talk
to you, Chris Salgado, was just to get your I mean,
John Green, are John Green? And I are so like
(32:02):
knee deep in the weeds sometimes that you know, sometimes
it's hard to see the forest through the trees, right, Okay,
So they are announcing this arrest, and I'm like, I
don't remember any other time when the case was like
we're going to be arresting somebody tomorrow. So I started thinking, like, Okay,
why would they announce that?
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
It seems calculated to me that they would announce that.
What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 11 (32:28):
So I've never been law enforcement before twenty one years
as an investigator, but never on the law enforcement side.
Always the private sector. So I can't speak on behalf
of any law enforcement experience. But you know, I too
find that's always unusual or maybe not unusual. But I
always challenge why police officialsts do that. And I don't
want to say, you know, I'm second guests law second
(32:50):
guests in law enforcement. They know what they're doing, but
it is curious to me when sometimes when they do
something like that.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
But do the cops do that on purpose?
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Right?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Like shit, I got to dispose of the murder weapon
and then follow them? Do you know what I mean
to get that evidence like that kind of and that
when I say calculated, that's what I mean. Like they're
under surveillance, they're going to be arrested tomorrow, let's announce
it and see what they do. Is it possible that
they are working like the person that they're going to
(33:21):
be arresting is like cooperating and they're just giving this person,
like you know, two days or whatever to wrap things up.
Like I don't know, I just John, what do you think?
John Green? Do you what do you think about that?
Speaker 8 (33:34):
Well?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
What I think right now is that we're very excited
because we've been talking about Jared and his case and
today's a big announcement.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
So yeah, I agree with you. We are this is
all speculation one hundred percent, and that's what we do, right.
This is that goes without saying we don't one hundred percent.
And these they know what they're doing. But I just
feel like this this move of announcing a rest twenty
four hours, you know, twenty after thirty hours or so
before it happens, it's there's a reason normally they would
(34:06):
just arrest them and say the arrest has been made exactly.
Speaker 11 (34:09):
Yeah, And that's when we get into the idea of
you know, for those that have engaged with law enforcement,
you know that's in some capacity, right, that really kind
of enters into the intuitive as far as like what
we know their methodology to be. As I mentioned before,
but you know, I fear I can't for really value
(34:31):
in that have the experience as a law enforcement officer,
but just as a you know, sure I've been investing
here for a long time as an individual looking in
from the outside, it definitely strikes me as odd. And
you know, the idea is when you just said, you know,
is cooperate trying to appease something I don't know, But
(34:56):
what I do know is that and rest on this
right And sure surely you and your listeners can can
remember this that the fact that law enforcement knows a
hell of a lot more than we do, and we
can take solids that their movements are well calculated.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Right. Another theory that I read today was that they
announced it to see if the person runs, because if
the person runs, they won't get bonded. But if the
person that is arrested has money, this will be a reason,
not that this person wouldn't be released. The reason I
wanted to have this phone call before tomorrow is just
(35:31):
kind of to see if is to see if we're
on the right track. Right.
Speaker 11 (35:35):
Yep, there's a lot of damning statements out there, are
really pointing fingers at Shanna. You know, we US three
have never springboarded or joined that kind of bandwagon. I'm
not saying I deny that, but I don't really share.
I don't really have evidence.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Community.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
There is no evidence of it. Yeah, there's no evidence
of it none.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
What's going to go down tomorrow, It's gonna be very.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
Good morning.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Thank you for being here today.
Speaker 9 (36:06):
My name is Jean Paul Smith, and I'm the chief
of Police.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yo, dude, I've been waiting all night for this. I
hope it's not Shanna.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
I don't think it's her because she's out about doing
normal things.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I just, you know, ultimately the kids, right Like I
was thinking about this last night. It would just be
terrible for those kids. They just lost their dad, you
know now, you know what I mean, that would be
just awful. Oh, here we go, It's it's life.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
Here we are. This is the moment.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
If you're an armchair detective or internet sleuth, this is
the thing you're waiting to hear and see. You spent
the last what several six seven weeks looking into Jared,
and now we're going to find out.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Imagine Jared's family right now though, like they must be
so Oh, there's Kirsten.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
This was a plan and targeted and.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
They still said it was planned and targeted.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Just under an hour ago, this man, Henry Tennen, was arrested.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
For the following crime Henry Tennan.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Conspiracy to commit murder.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Right the attorney's getting up to the attorney, I'll look
at Kirsten. Oh my heart.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
In order to protect the integrity of this ongoing and
active investigation, the state was obtained a court order sealing
Tenan's arrest weren't and outidated for.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
The next thirty days.
Speaker 10 (37:31):
Shit.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
However, I will briefly discuss the four crimes for which
Tenon has been arrested.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
They're sealing these the arrests weren't. Oh my god, Okay,
so grand jury's going to be sealed.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Ah.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
That was a quick and short, straight to the point.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Okay, So here's what we know Henry Tennan. They arrested
Henry Tennin. They said it was conspiracy to commit murder
and then also accessory after the fact, correct, and then
child abuse because his daughter. Now, all signs point to
him conspiring with somebody that we don't know yet, right,
(38:06):
So kind of like I said last night, it's going
to be somebody we don't know. But I was wrong.
I thought they had I thought they would have had
the FORDA f what' and fifty honestly, And I thought
that because of what Kirsten said when we talked to her,
when we asked her, do they have the four foot fifteen?
She was like radio silence? Remember, yeah, So that's interesting.
(38:27):
That is very interesting. So do we think that this
Henry Tennan might have been hired by somebody.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
That's my that's my initial like he's somehow connected to it.
But the police chief said they're looking for other people
too and asking the right the public to come forward
with any information. So it sounds like they're other individuals
than wolved.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Correct, that's what I'm gathering. Maybe this guy will talk,
you know what I mean. And the other thing we
learned too in this is that the arrest warrant is
going to be sealed for thirty days and it's going
to be taken in front of a grand jury, which
is you know, that's all that's always sealed, I guess
is the right way to say it. It's always you
can't read. So that's a bummer that we're not going
(39:11):
to be able to get the search warrant or the
arrest warrant, you know, or the probable cause, the reasons.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I want to know where Henry Ken lives.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Oh yeah, let's go look. Let me look him up,
all right, Jacksonville Beach. He's sixty one years old. He
resides in Jacksonville, Florida. Here's his phone number, his email address.
So excellent is that? Yeah, I've got everything. I'll send
you the info. Okay, i'd like to see his arrest
history to see if he's done carjacking in the past.
(39:42):
Yeah right, all right, so last named tennon Henry. Let's
just do that case type. This looks like it's more
civil court. The fuck here we go. So this is today.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
Criminal traffic? What's this one? Twenty sixteen, twenty twenty two,
this has got to be it.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Oh my god, go back.
Speaker 8 (40:10):
Tennon Henry.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Leaving the scene of an accident twenty twenty two. He
left the scene of a crime or no, I'm sorry,
leaving the scene of an accident.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
All right, look at the searge.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Results in twenty sixteen driving while licenses suspended or revoked
and he used somebody else's license plate. Two thy thirteen, Oh,
domestic battery okay, two thousand and eight operating wild driver's
license revoked for habitual traffic offender. He left the scene
(40:49):
of an accident again, license suspended, license suspent. Wow, he's
got his license suspended like all the time. So all
his court records so far are leaving the scene of
an accident, domestic battery, and driving with.
Speaker 8 (41:05):
A suspended license.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Looks think he has an open case right now and
his next court date is for January thirty first driving
while license is suspended or revoked. He also had the
possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Whoa, So
wait a minute, this is in September of twenty twenty
(41:31):
two of this year. Yeah, he was, that's when he
was arraigned.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
So they arrested him.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
When they took him in cusseyed.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
He had a weapon on Here we go, Yeah, it
happened in August of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
That gun matched the shell case.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Right, So I'm gonna print this, okay, so we have
it save and I'm gonna call this current case because
that's it's still open.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Henry tennin All right, let me upload these.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Okay, So there's two new files that you can look at.
Let's stop here for another quick break.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
So as soon as this press conference ended, Deanna and
I got back to doing what we do, which is
digging up new information, and discovered that Henry Tennant, the
person just arrested for Jared's death, his landlord up until
mid February last year, just happened to be Mario Fernandez,
Shanna Gardner's new husband.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
And I'm going to tell you right now, our heads
are exploding. This connection, which might just be a coincidence.
This brought the murder even closer to Jared's ex wife, Sheena.
This morning, I woke up to another Google alert, obviously,
and the alert was that Henry Tennan was in court
today for his first appearance and they write his charges
(43:03):
and you know he's been you know, bond. So then
I went and looked at the court records and he
filed for indigent status, okay, and he was granted. And
did you know, I don't know what that means, Like
I think that means he needs a public defender, right exactly,
you have to.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Meet a certain criteria in order being unless you have
to provide one for your own right.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
And then the other link that Google sent me was
a news article, and I updated the timeline and put
all the links in there and everything from First Coast
News who said they did an interview with the roommate.
And this is what this is where it gets interesting.
This is what I want to talk to you about.
The roommate said, Henry moved out in February of two.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, the incident with Jarrett happened on the sixteenth.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
That's up everywhere.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Usually usually people statedly end of the month to move
out right.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Right, Wow, I'm thinking it happened at the beginning of February,
and I'm thinking that Mario and Henry thought, well, if
you move out before you do it, nobody's going to
be able to link us, right because you've been renting
this for me privately. There's no company and well, you
know what I mean. Mario thought, Okay, well this won't
be an issue. They're not going to be able to
(44:18):
link us. You don't live there anymore exactly. So I
thought that was interesting. And then the roommate went on
to say that since October the cops have been there
several times with search warrants, looking for guns and cars
and other evidence. But he didn't know why. The roommate
he didn't know what what for. He just knew they
(44:38):
had search warrants. So that's interesting. Guess when Henry's going
to be arraigned.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Thirty first or the sixteenth of February.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Sixteenth of February. Holy cow, that's going to be a
big isn't that something?
Speaker 5 (44:52):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Isn't that now?
Speaker 7 (44:54):
Listen?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
It could change, right, those kinds of things change. Yeah,
But when I read that, I got the chill. I
was like, what, I went to the court website and
it was right there, February sixteenth.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
I was like, what, I'm sure that was done on
firstpace as a nice book ending, right.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
I also added like the exf grab of the Kawi
trip that so Shelley posted because I thought that was interesting.
She posted that post right at like the same time
Jared was getting murdered. It was just really weird. So,
and I'm looking at I'm looking at these pictures of
the post in Kawhi right now. I don't know when
they went to Kauai. I don't that I don't know.
(45:34):
It just says our annual trip to Kawhi was awesome.
But there's no information on like when they were actually there.
But I'm looking at pictures of like Mario and Shanna
app in Kauai, and I'm looking at Mario and I'm like,
that little shit knew this was coming, like because obviously
this is prior to his murder, right, yeah, but I
(45:55):
mean he was he hadn't planned by the time this
trip was done. Like, I don't know. It just makes
me sick, right, it just makes me sick. I mean,
he's got a couple of uys. You know, Yeah, no
news from Mario that I've seen at all. And I
went through I've already gone through all his records. He
(46:16):
just has like speeding tickets and stuff.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
I think they're just sitting on him, waiting for him
to do their own move.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
I mean, I think that's why they announced it. I
really do to see what he does or what or
what she does right or both. Her Her mom posted
yesterday that she received a beautiful card in the mail
from like the stamping up people. But so I'm assuming
she's home. A yeah, that's like. One of the first
(46:44):
places I went this morning was to her mom's blog.
I mean, I'm a nosy bitch. I wake up in
the morning. I wake up in the morning, I get
my coffee, I sit down, I read my Google alert,
and I.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Go and look, Welcome to the life of John and Deianna.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
All right, it's Friday morning. I'm gonna start going through
some Facebook posts on Henry Tennon just to I don't know,
I just still have a feeling we're gonna be able
to find this blue Florida f one fifty connected to
him somehow. So I'm gonna go to it just just friends,
and I'm gonna type in ten and in the back,
just to look for people that are related. All Right,
(47:27):
we have a Dwight. Let's go to his photos. Nothing there, videos,
nothing there, posts. This looks like maybe it's a cousin
or a brother. It's that same age range. All right,
he's just he plays a bunch of games and that's
like his whole Facebook feed. Okay, Lawrence Crane. His photo
(47:50):
is a car, so he probably has cars and his
Let's go to him photos. No, foe fifty.
Speaker 8 (47:59):
What's this?
Speaker 1 (48:00):
That's a four one fifty But it's like pimped out.
Looks really nice. It's definitely not it Johnny tennon all right.
He looks like maybe a brother or cousin. All right,
so let's go to photos. He's got a picture of
a white.
Speaker 8 (48:20):
Is that a caddy?
Speaker 11 (48:21):
Maybe?
Speaker 8 (48:22):
Okay, it's got a videos. Oh my god, there's a
blue Ford f one fifty in the driveway. Holy shit.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Okay, wait a minute, hold on, that doesn't mean anything.
This guy lives in Georgia. But I'm saving this. Okay,
blue Ford. Let me make a it's not really a
good angle of it, alright. Let me I gotta log this, Okay,
let me get my spreadsheet. I should have done this beforehand.
(48:51):
I wasn't prepared. He's got a couple of videos and
they're all outside, like in his like kind of driveway.
Speaker 8 (48:59):
Let's see this one. This is twenty nineteen.
Speaker 7 (49:03):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
There it is that looks like that looks like the
exact car. Okay, I gotta save this, Lily Crapple save
blue Ford F one. I gotta send this to JG
right now. All right, so let me see let me
text him. All right, Okay, I'm freaking out. I need
(49:24):
to relax a little bit because it doesn't mean anything.
All right, let me go to Google. Matt well, let
me go run a report on him.
Speaker 8 (49:32):
He lives in Georgia. There he is. Copy save.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Johnny tennin Alrightmaps dot Google, let me copy that address.
Speaker 8 (49:48):
All right, let's go to the street view.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Oh there it is.
Speaker 8 (49:54):
On the street view.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Holy shit.
Speaker 8 (49:57):
I send this to JG right now.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
I should not have done this, because now I'm like,
I need somebody to talk to and I have nobody
to talk to. Oh somebody else found it too. Oh fuck,
somebody else found it on Reddit.
Speaker 8 (50:15):
John just sent it to me. I woke up and
started going through his friends.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Alright, let me go read this redd thread. M somebody
posted it on Reddit fifteen hours ago. Okay, I'm just
here to give kudos cause I tried fighting it on
Google Street with all his known addresses and work, but
no success. I'm assuming the cops have found the truck
by now at his relatives. Can you tell what you're
(50:47):
it wouldn't hurt to call the police. I wonder if
anybody did. Okay, let me go look Ford f one
fifty Jared Bride again two thousand and four to two
thousand and eight. So I wonder if I should call
the cops. I feel stupid calling them if somebody else
(51:09):
already did. Let's see no indication if he called the
cops in this thread. Intelligent Basil forty three, you and
I are soul sisters here, all right? I should have
looked on Reddit first. God dang it. Oh well, I
didn't take that long. I mean, this is probably a
really common truck, right, but I still think I should
(51:31):
tell Jack's police, which I'm gonna do. You can find
the information on the relatives' Facebook page at.
Speaker 7 (51:49):
Here.
Speaker 6 (51:50):
Copy.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
You have to watch the video by watching the video here.
And then I got the address for this person, Johnny
Tennin located here and Google map street View has an
(52:16):
image of this blue Ford F one F in the
drive way. Let me get that and this is back
in twenty thirteen, so that puts it in line with
that truck year. The image from Google Maps is from
(52:42):
twenty thirteen, which is in line with the year of
truck you are seeking in the Jared Bridegan murder. After
Henry Tennan's arrest, John and our producer Andrews spoke to Kirsten.
Jared's wife.
Speaker 6 (53:01):
Kirsten told us, ever since Mario was arrested, it's been
very hard for her, both physically and mentally.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
And we can understand that I had a migraine for
a couple of days and just like barely coming down
off of one. So it's just manifested itself physically in
some strange ways that I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
But otherwise, I mean, we're good. You know, it's a
good step forward, it's a positive thing.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
It's just a lot. And we were informed a little
bit ahead of time that an arrest was coming, and
thankfully they granted my request to see the photo of
the person prior to the press conference. So I had
to kind of keep it under wraps from my family
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and friends. But then Monday hit and somebody apparently leaked
it to the press. So things just got crazy a
lot earlier than I had expected. You know, Monday night,
Instagram was blowing up, Facebook was blowing up.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
People were messaging me, is this true?
Speaker 9 (54:12):
Is this true?
Speaker 5 (54:12):
And I just didn't open messages. It was it was
too much.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
Plus I couldn't say anything, So I still have a
lot of messages I haven't responded to. But yeah, it
just it's been a circus for a week. And then
Wednesday morning, obviously, was the press conference that I attended
in person along with my brother, two brother.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
In laws, and one of their wives, when.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
It was announced that they found an individual involved in
Jared's murder. He was charged with four separate things, one
being conspiracy to commit murder, which indicates there are more
than one person involved in the state attorney herself stated,
we know that, you know, Henry Tennant did not act alone,
(55:01):
so we know more things are coming. How soon, I'm
not sure, but the fact that the arrest warrant and
the affidavit is sealed for thirty days, if you believe
that puts it at the twenty sixth of February, makes
me believe that there's obviously a reason it's sealed, and
I would assume it means it has stuff in it
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that relates to other people.
Speaker 5 (55:26):
So I would assume based on that that more arrests
will come.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
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I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies
in the basement.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I'm come to find out. This is like it exploded
into this huge thing.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I knew, I just knew something was wrong.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Police say thirty three year old Jared Bride Again was
shot dead.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I kept calling his phone during the drive.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.
It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying
he was targeted.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Eventually a police officer answered and told me to come
to the police station.
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Speaker 6 (00:48):
I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I
spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in
the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get
animal abusers arrested.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators.
We spent over a year and a half trying to
get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man
that was killing cats online and he was threatening to
move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnatta.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called
Don't Fuck with Cats.
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That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills
to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases.
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This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So last time we spoke to Shikaia's momb tamera, she
had been planning a trip to go down to Arizona
to meet with a sketch artist who was going to
create an update to look on what Chakaya could look like.
And John, we got pretty excited about that because you know,
missing person posters are super important when you're trying to
find somebody who's missing, right, correct.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
These updated photos could serve as an invaluable tool because
we tend to think of the miss person as we've
last seen them, which they may not look like that today.
So her parents over the last four years could have changed.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Right, And you know, Shakai has been kind of living
a hard life, possibly so the environment, the elements they
can aid you in different ways, so we were pretty
excited about the chance of possibly getting an updated photo
of Chicaya. However, since we last spoke to Tamra, her
trip has gotten canceled. So John, we were thinking it
(02:27):
might be interesting if we could do our own sketch
for Shakaya's family so that we could do some new
missing person posters, so we reached out to Michael W.
Speaker 8 (02:35):
Streed.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Michael is the CEO, president, and co founder of SketchCop Solutions.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
He is also a retired police investigator, a certified forensic artist,
and there's one of the world's most experienced forensic facial
imaging and identification consultants.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
His facial composite software app, SketchCop, is used by law
enforcement agencies around the world. We ended up finding him
on his website SketchCop dot com.
Speaker 9 (03:00):
Hello, how are you doing Indiana?
Speaker 10 (03:03):
I'm wonderful are you?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And you're with SketchCop right, That is my company.
Speaker 9 (03:09):
I've been a police officer for over thirty years, retired
as a police sergeant. During my career, I developed sketching
skills and started working on a lot of different cases
throughout Orange County, LA County, and so when I ended
my career, I decided to start a consulting business to
provide investigative assistance to agencies that needed some sort of
friendsic facial imaging, whether it be composite sketches, eye withness, interviews,
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a skull reconstruction from unidentified remains most recent over the
last couple of years, gotten into one to one facial
comparison and analysis. And my latest skill set is actually
cranio facial overlays and skull face overlays where you have
device as AI supported software that can take a three
(03:54):
D skull and lay over a two D photograph and
align it properly and do an analysis a scope along
staff person.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (04:02):
So anything anything with facial identification. And I forgot the
failing age progression that the I do a lot of
age progression missing persons, people who passed away, you know,
early in life. Their loved ones want to see what
could have been. So I always tell people it's a
boutique agency that pretty much does.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Anything involving the face and facial illustration and facial identification.
Speaker 9 (04:24):
I've been doing it like this for over forty years
now and I've worked on cases that no one's ever
heard of. I've worked on cases that made news around
the world, you know, anywhere from children abducted off the
street and raped and murdered and the suspects have been arrested,
you know, serial killers, zero robbers, zero rapists. I mean
so and I've worked in you know, for small agencies.
(04:47):
I'm under contract to LAPD how to provide sketch services
for them, as well as the Baltimore Police Department as well.
First of all, there's not a lot of people who
specialize in doing age progression images. I was actually fortunate
enough to be trained by the National Center for Missing
Exploded Children by the artists back in the nineties who
pioneered the technique. And so, whereas a lot of people,
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a lot of artists who do the work, they actually
do a sketch based upon a photograph of the person.
I actually use the photograph of the person and create
a photographic looking end image.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
One thing I wanted to ask you, do people like
hire you privately to do this kind of thing normally
or is it normally law enforcement that reaches out to you.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
No, it's it's both.
Speaker 10 (05:31):
Actually, so we've been working on a missing person's case,
and she's been missing for four years.
Speaker 9 (05:40):
You know, four years isn't going to be a lot
of time and terms pright of aging an adult. However,
if you know people who go missing, whether voluntary or involuntarily,
it's going to take its toll. Unhealthy lifestyle and unhealthy diet,
things like that. So there may be some structural changes
in the face and maybe a more weathered appearance in
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terms of you know, people who aren't taking care of
their hygiene necessarily, so a photograph of her could be
updated to reflect that more so than any.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Type of aging.
Speaker 9 (06:12):
The cool thing is, and the.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Good thing about these things the image updates age progressions
is it gets that face in front of the media
and gets in front of people, It generates information.
Speaker 9 (06:23):
It becomes a focal point. Basically, it's a reason to
go out to the media is because of a reason
to get someone interested in the case like this, because
facts are nothing more than words. Now you've got an
image to go with that. I'd like to have as
close a photograph to taken to the time that they disappeared,
(06:44):
and of course, you know, the.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Best quality possible. Any known health issues, any known drugger
or alcohol abuse issues.
Speaker 9 (06:52):
As much information I have as possible, as good a
photographs as possible, then get to work.
Speaker 10 (06:58):
I would love to make a new poster for her,
you know what I mean, like be able to make
a new poster to give to these organizations that are
sharing for information, include a photo with you know, your
information and stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That would be amazing.
Speaker 10 (07:09):
Anything we could do to move this along.
Speaker 9 (07:11):
We'd be happy to do right now. For example, you know,
human traffic is a big thing. But again you know
with the FEDS especially, but with local police departments, you know,
they're having trouble holding onto people. They're having trouble with
recruiting people. So a lot of things that were important
before aren't so much important now. For example, nowadays, they're
probably going to take a missing person's report, They're going
to put it in the computer, so it's an NCIC.
(07:33):
So if somebody happens upon this person on the street,
you know, they get a report someone panhandling, they get
to report someone acting suspiciously, you know, a beat officers
in to contact them and they may find in their
missing person and oftentimes unless there's some sort of reason
to take them into some sort of protective custody. They're
just going to verify they're okay, they're going to clear
(07:55):
amount of the system of the person's going to go
on about their life because there's no there's no mandate
for the officers to return an adults or their family
supported missing missing kids is much different, so you don't
get a lot of follow up. And and you know, Johnny,
you're saying earlier that you you know, you guys are
having difficultly wrapping your head around the fact that she
hasn't been contacted by the police in four years. And trafficking.
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The trafficking organizations are very sophisticated and oftentimes they secure
these people in homes, they lock them down, they're virtually
in jail. Basically, they're always escorted by somebody typically is
going to make sure that they don't make contact or
ask for help and such. And they may be being
trapped in remote areas where there's very few law enforcement
(08:40):
and or big cities that are that are so big
and so busy with homicides and other crimes they don't
have time to pay attention to it. So it's not
surprising to me, based upon my experience, that she hasn't
been contact at this point. But podcasts like what you
guys are doing and immediate type of attention that you
guys are giving to this case. And again, like I
(09:00):
talked about earlier, doing a fresh, updated image, it gives
the public, It gives the media something to look at,
something to see, something visual, and now there's a reason
to tell her story, there's a reason to get eyes
back on, there's a reason to bring it around. You know,
sometimes it takes a fresh set of eyes, and people
like yourself, they're really enthusiastic about it because I think
(09:23):
sometimes again and when law enforcement gets overwhelmed, they're almost
in a trios situation. And in some cases, you know,
it's sad to say, you know, most professions where there's
a lot of high trauma, they see a lot of
things where there's doctors, emergency or in personnelity, costs, fronment.
We become jaded after a while, and it kind of affects,
you know, how the enthusiasm which we approach certain types
(09:45):
of investigations and cases. And again, you know, I think
if you talk to anybody in the media that's going
to be honest about it when they talk about missing
persons cases and why indigenous people and marginalized communities and
such don't get the attention that people feel they deserve.
It's because a lot of cases, unfortunately, maybe the facts
aren't as riveting and or would not get the ratings
(10:07):
as some other really oddball murder. I mean, look at
the success you guys had with the don't mess with
caps catch You title compelling material. But at the same time,
if it wasn't for you guys, nobody would have really
paid attends to really cared. So, you know, kudos to
you guys, and hopefully you guys will have the kind
of success you enjoyed.
Speaker 10 (10:25):
The previous case on this one without without a murder happening.
Speaker 9 (10:28):
With the ideal, without a murder happening, it would be ideal.
And anytime you can avoid a murder, it's always.
Speaker 11 (10:33):
Feel trust me.
Speaker 10 (10:34):
I mean, I'm not trying to joke about it, but yeah,
without a murder, having the idea, No, you're right, it's
the circumstances surrounding a lot of these missing murdered Indigenous people.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Are just sad circumstances.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It is.
Speaker 10 (10:46):
They're not necessarily quote unquote entertainment, right, It's just sad.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
When I talked to Shakai's mom. I can't help but
be reminded of my own mother. I was born in Detroit,
and I lived in Detroit till I was about eleven
years old. And then when I was eleven, my family,
my mom and my brother and I moved to southern California.
And I lived in Southern California till I was about
twenty two, and then I moved to Las Vegas. So
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I grew up with like a really like wide range
of cultures, right Like I grew up on the Midwest,
and then I grew up on the you know, southern California,
and then I went, you know, straight to Vegas. So
I kind of have a Hodgepodge in my background. Where
I moved to in southern California was like a beach town,
so it was one hundred percent culture shock. You know.
(11:38):
I had never seen the ocean and big, huge waves
and you know, in the eighties it was like totally
tubular and like that was all totally new for me.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
And then Vegas.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Did you go there for work or what brought you to.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That's a hard story to tell. My mom moved to
Las Vegas with my little brother when I was eighteen,
and I tried to stay in California as long as
I could. But you know, I was young, trying to
put my way through college and working and then getting
laid off and working and going to school, and it
was just so hard to do by myself in a
(12:15):
really really like cost prohibitive area of the country. And
so I just I kind of wanted. Something happened, and
we can get into it. It kind of goes into
some other things about me, but something happened, and I
just I really wanted my mommy. And I know that
sounds crazy, but my mom and I were Excuse me,
my mom and I were like super close. I missed
(12:38):
my mom. Hold on, I'm totally okay. So in twenty
twenty seventeen, my mom was diagnosed to it colon cancer,
and it got to the point where she couldn't take
care of herself anymore, and she moved in with me,
and I ended up, you know, well, of course I
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have to work, you know, working and taking being her caregiver,
and like during my whole filming of Don't f with
Cats and you know everything, I was in the middle
of being this caregiver for my mom, and that was
in twenty eighteen. It came out in twenty nineteen, and
she died shortly after. She died right at the beginning
of COVID. She didn't die from COVID, she died from cancer.
(13:21):
But yeah, no, she passed. It's okay, I mean we
were like incredibly close.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
So that was hard.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I totally lost myself and her illness, you know, like
I gained a bunch of weight. I didn't care about
like what I looked like. I mean, I was just
so busy with her care. You know, I didn't have
a social life. I lost, you know, my fiance at
the time left because it was just too much. Like
her care was so hard and I would do it
again in a heartbeat. I'm not complaining, like I would
(13:49):
do it a hundred times over, but it was just
so hard. And then all of a sudden, she's gone,
and it was like, okay, now what you know, Like shit,
I because I had lost myself in her so I
totally like kind of figure out who I was again.
And I'm just now two years later getting to that
point where I'm like, okay, now I remember who I
was and talking with Tamara a lot of the times
(14:09):
I think about my mom. And obviously my mom did
not have a missing daughter. I mean that, you know,
never happened. But my mom had a super hard life,
like a super fucking hard life. I feel like that
she experienced the same kind of hardships, and so I
have a lot of empathy for her, and I feel
like this really like parasocial relationship with her, Like I
(14:31):
feel close to her for some reason. And it might
be because I'm you know, missing my mom. I don't know,
but yeah, I definitely have a lot of empathy for her,
a lot.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
A couple days later, we got the photos of Shakaia.
In this first photo, Shakya looks innocently at the camera,
her hand pushing her long brown hair behind her ear.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And in the other photo she's grinning at the camera.
But I have to say she looks absolutely beautiful in
both photos, Like can't I can't convey to the audience
how beautiful she is. The producers at Katie Studios are
going to share this on their Instagram at Kati Underscore Studios.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Get even.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's Mike, Hi, Mike, It's Diana, Hey Deanna, how are you?
I'm awesome, how are you?
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Well? You know, it's hard to beat, but I'm doing
pretty well.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I have the photos from the family. Is it okay
if I send them to you?
Speaker 10 (15:29):
Now?
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
All right, Michael, I have your email. I saved it
last time we talked. Chicaia bluehearting is the subject? All right,
I'm gonna send them, right Neil, all right, cool, I
sent them.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
A matter of fact, your email just came through. Let
me take a look at these, all right, cool, I'm looking.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
At both pictures here. Let me open up this other one.
I'm looking to see what image size they are.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
The very first one where she's in a white top,
it's almost a full face picture. That's like four inch
by four inch, which that's not too bad a size,
and a lot of the graininess.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
It's not as grainy as when you were describing.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I thought it was gonna be like horrible. It's not
bad at all, Ash, I'll probably give yeah. And as
a matter of fact, this other one is going to
be okay. This one's thirteen by seventeen, so this is
all right. This is this is a bigger file. So
probably what I'm going to do. First of all, you know,
if she.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Has this youthful look, she's probably not going to like,
you know, how long she's been missing. Nowt four years.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
She's been missing four years, and she will be So
she went missing when she was nineteen, so she'd be
twenty three.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Now I'll have to turn these photos.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I'll rotate them and crop them and get them all
lined up and such, and get that Facebook back together,
because I only have like I've got on the one
I've got I'm missing just the top of the head
just a little bit, and then the other one I've
got the full face, but I really I kind of
want to put her smile on that on the on
the one where she's got the white, put the middle
of her face in that because there's more of her
hair in fullness and such.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
I'll look and see. The other thing is.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Does mom have any pictures of herself at twenty two?
I can ask there's a couple of reasons why is it. One,
if she resembles either one of the parents a lot.
I can skew that towards if I have pictures of
the parents at twenty two, then kind of put her
in the aging it's one thing, and then kind of
(17:26):
giving it that lifestyle look in terms of if I
have to you know, holler her cheeks out a little bit,
or make her eyes look a little more tired and
stuff because of the lifestyle she's probably living.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And she's got like a really unique like nose and
cheap cheeks and stuff. I think. And I mean, she's
just a beautiful, beautiful girl, and she has got really
long black hair. But there have been there was one
sighting of her about a year after she went missing
that set her hair. She was wearing her hair short.
That they didn't say, but I did read though that
(17:58):
victims of human traffic often have their identity stripped from them.
And one of the ways that you that you strip
the identity from a woman as you cut their hair. Right,
So I don't know, like today, obviously I have no
idea what her hair looks like, but it might be
shorter than this, you know, long black hair that she
usually wears.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Well, that's the cool thing about digital is that I
can actually, once I work on the face, I can
give her a couple of three different hairstyles.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Oh that'd be great, Yeah, you can.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
You can give there's a you know, you could take
the chopped off hair, maybe the hair pulled back, the
ponytail and or maybe just it long but maybe not
so fine.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Maybe it'll frizzy, a little rough looking, maybe something like that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Oh, that would be wonderful. That way they can use,
you know, several different ones that they're like, this is
a possibility, this is a possibility. This that would be fabulous.
Mom would really love that.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
I don't believe in doing too many because I think
what happens is is people take it literally and they
think that they think they're looking for ten different people.
But I think you know, if you have a couple
different choices for them to look at, you know, again
your relative to this sighting, the possible sighting, her hair
was significantly shorter. You can do that and maybe something
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pulled back, because again you want people looking at the face,
and that the short hair and the hair pulled back,
it forces people to focus on the face because she's
not likely to have some big bluffont and some big
giant hair dude like eighties hair, you know where you
just all you look at is damn that hair. Look
at that hair.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
I mean, I'd love to have hair like that versus
looking at her face.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Okay, I like that. No, I think that's really smart. See,
there's a reason you're an expert. All right, buddy, I
really appreciate you and all your.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Time you as well, and I'll be in touch soon.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Okay, all right, cool, okay, thanks byee.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
a moment.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
After everything happened in twenty twelve, when Luca murdered Jenlyn,
I went to therapy because I needed somebody to talk to.
And I was in therapy for months. And you have
to remember this is back in twenty twelve, this is many,
many years ago. And my therapist was like, you know,
I really want to test you for Aspergers. And I
(20:21):
was like what.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
I was so offended.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well, I never went back to her after that. I
was so offended. So after my mom died in twenty twenty,
I had to go to therapy. My whole life was
upended when my mom died, like totally upended. And she
was like, you know, I want to test you for
autism spectrum disorder. And I was like what the same
(20:45):
thing right? And I explained to her, you know, listen,
in twenty twelve, they wanted to test me for Aspergers,
and now you want to test me for autism, Like
what the you know, and I went through all the testing,
they talked all my family. I mean, it was like
it was exhausting. But let me tell you something. After
I got my die diagnosis, I have autism. Because I
was very upset when I got my diagnosis. I mean
I was, you know, I was upset because I was like,
(21:06):
you know, what could I have been? What could I
have become in my life had I got diagnosed at
an early age? What could I have become if I
had been given tools to handle these things? Like how
would I be successful? Would I be? Like And it's
funny too. My therapist was telling me one of the
symptoms or you know, offshoots of autism is this sense
(21:30):
of justice. Part of the spectrum is the inability to
accept injustice, like we just can't deal with the unfairness
of injustice. And I never knew that before. And when
she told me that, I was like, are you kidding me?
And she was like yeah, I couldn't believe it. Literally,
(21:52):
I'm not even kidding you. I felt like the clouds
parted and the birds started singing, and I was like, Okay,
this all makes sense. You know. It made me feel good,
made me feel good, so and of course, you know,
I don't believe anybody. So I got home and I
was like googling right away asd justin, you know, but yeah,
I couldn't believe it. But when I first got the diagnosis,
I had this thing in my head. It's so silly,
(22:12):
like rain Man. That was my understanding of autism. Like
I was ignorant, I had no idea. But I've come
to the conclusion, like where I am now is not
like in spite of my autism, it's because of it.
It makes me unique to be where I'm at. You know,
I can do anything. This isn't really going to hold
me back, like and it makes me uniquely qualified, you know,
(22:34):
in certain aspects that make me really unique. So it's
not necessarily a bad thing at all, but it took
me a while to get there.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
While we work to pursue a few other leads and
chase down information on both Chicaia and Jared's case, SketchCop
was able to provide some insight into its process.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Have a listen, Okay, so it's asked to create an
age progression of Chakaia. This is actually going to be
an image update. Shakai has been missing for four years,
and I didn't really feel that that was enough time
to show any sort of aging. And typically with adults,
you know, you reach a certain apex in aging and
then you start to go downhill, as they say, you know,
(23:15):
the face starts showing signs of age. You know, lines
start to develop, you know, skin gets a little bit rougher,
there's some sag here and there. So I think because
of what was described as possibly a harmful lifestyle and
or being the victim of human trafficking, which that sort
of lifestyle, you know, being shuttled from city to city,
(23:35):
country to country, you know, having a poor diet, not
no access to medical treatment, that's going to accelerate the
aging a little bit. What I wanted to do is
make these facial features in his face a little brighter,
a little crisper. I work in photoshop a loze. They've
got a lot of neural type of filters now, and
one of them is like a color corrector a photo fixer,
(23:58):
and that would allowed me to work on an image
and retouch that photo. It takes the picture and reassemble
the pixels and stitch them together in such a way
that you get a clear, crisper picture. So I source
other photos to use in these image updates and such,
and you want to find a pose is consistent with
(24:21):
the picture. So at the same time, I wanted to
get as much of her face looking forward to increase
the opportunity for identifications. I can change the gaze of
her eyes easily as well. But now we've got pretty
much a full facial image. A little bit just a
small degree of turning there, but this will help me
find more easily find I should say, a suitable hairstyle
(24:44):
and a suitable reference picture to integrate into her face,
to show some of the wear and tear the lifestyle has.
Now that I've got the clarity I want in the
picture and the gaze that I want, now I'm going
to go ahead and I'm going to grab some references
as well, an updated neckline, maybe some eyebrows that aren't
(25:06):
as well groomed, and so these are some of the elements,
and I could use more, but these are the ones
that I'm going to start with. You know, once I
put the puzzle together, then it's a matter of making
sure all the pieces fit well. And I'm like a
puzzle which has all these lines between the pieces. We
want to smooth those lines out so it looks like
a regular picture of her. And I think the last
thing I want to bring is this face. I found
(25:27):
a very similar shape face. I'm not so concerned about
the mouth, but the eyes look pretty good. The nose,
I don't think we're using nose. We're gonna use some
of the lines and cheek bones and such and kind
of the shrunkening face just a bit. There's lots of
cleanup in here to do, and a lot of digital
painting and a lot of erasing and color matching and
(25:48):
making sure that everything fits properly. So I'll go around
typically and let me go ahead and pick a brown color,
like a dark brown from her eyes there and through
with the pencil tool, and I will just kind of
work around and just kind of give more definition to
(26:08):
her face.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
There's so many different reasons I have for doing what
I do, And I mean, this isn't something I share often,
and I've never talked about it publicly, but my therapist
has been on my ass to do so. But I
had my own situation in nineteen ninety four, when I
was like twenty two. I was the victim of an
assault and it was a sexual assault and I never
(26:35):
did anything about it. I was I felt shame. And again,
this is a different time, right, my family didn't live
in the area I was living. I was embarrassed. I
thought that I had done it to myself.
Speaker 10 (26:48):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Like this, somehow this is my fault. I never went
to the authorities. I never told my friends, like I
never talked about it. And it's always been there in
the back of my head, you know what I mean,
Like I do think shaped my outlook on like getting justice.
It's just now I know, you know, because I've gotten
confidence and you know, times have changed and everything. I
(27:11):
know that I did nothing wrong. I know that now,
But back then I felt so much shame. It this
was all my fault. I promise, I'm fine. I promise.
I think it really has shaped me. It's just another brick, right,
It's another brick in that wall of who I am.
Bad shit happens to everybody, and again, it's not my fault.
(27:32):
And I don't have any you know, resentment of myself.
I wish I would have done something, but I'm not.
You know, I'm not blaming myself anymore, and that's great,
But it took me a long time to get there.
And so like when I when I, especially with Shakaya, right,
I feel I wasn't certainly in any way like Shakaia.
I was totally different, but I feel she's a victim
(27:54):
of the same kind of like system, but on a
much bigger scale for her, right, And so I have
like I feel, especially with Shakaiya and Tamera too, I
feel like they need more voices.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I don't think you have to be a victim of
a sexual assault to have any like relatability with Shakaia,
but I do think it helps, right, Like I'm sure
John Green has just as much drive that eyes I
do defind Shakaia, but I just think that's it's an
additional spark, right, It's another match strike.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
We hear the term justice all the time.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
How do you define that?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
What's your version of that? When somebody pays the price
for their wrongdoings and gives the victims a voice, that's
justice to me. So, as Ketch Coop is working on
our age progression photos, we got some unbelievable news that
makes this work so gratifying and fulfilling. So it's Tuesday night,
(28:52):
It's about ten thirty. I just got home. While I
was out, I got an email from Shawnee, who is
Kaya's sister. It's Consent and Information Form National Missing Person's
DNA Database, and it's a statement of consent and privacy.
So the FBI had been asking for Shakaia's father to
(29:15):
sign a release saying that they could take possession of
his DNA, and they're doing that. They already have the mothers.
They're doing that because they don't have Shakaia's DNA and
if she pops up somewhere in a hospital and she
doesn't know who she is or God forbid, Jane Doe
body that they need to identify, they need her DNA
(29:36):
on file so that they can do a compare. So,
according to Detective Fritz at the Elstone County Sheriff's Office,
he had been trying to get in touch with the
father for quite some time to get this DNA form signed.
I got an email from Shawnay it is the form
signed by her father, and I'm overjoyed. And I texted
(30:00):
John Green immediately and I'm like, you're not gonna believe this,
This could find her. Like I was emotional and calmed
down a little bit since then, but I'm still kind
of shaky.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
But getting an updated sketch of Shakaia wasn't the only
good news we got.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
While I was about to start working, I went online
and I saw something that got us very excited. Three
law enforcement sources on Monday night confirmed to News for
Jacks that there has been a major development in the
twenty twenty two murder investigation of Jared Bride, again, a
father of four. These sources each confirmed that arrest related
to the case will be made and announced on Wednesday. Okay,
(30:38):
so Wednesday, that's wow. I think they found the Ford
F one fifty, right, Okay, And I think they found
the Ford F one fifty from.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
The tire that would be the connection point, right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Right, like the batch and the lot and all that, right. Yeah,
they traced it to where it was sold and then
went through records maybe, and then from there they found
they also have DNA, possibly from the showcasing, but no match.
Let's say they find the owner of the F one fifty,
they follow this person around I don't know whatever, get
(31:16):
trash and they make a match. The one thing I
don't know is tomorrow when somebody's arrested, is it's somebody
that like, we've never heard this person's name, you know,
and they were like hired by somebody, do you know
what I mean? But I was thinking about, let me
call Chris. So there's tomorrow at noon Florida time, Eastern
(31:42):
Standard time, there's going to be a press conference from
the District Attorney and the police department, and they're supposed
to be announcing an arrest in this case. And I'm
fascinated by that. And the reason I wanted to talk
to you, Chris Salgado, was just to get your I mean,
John Green, are John Green? And I are so like
(32:02):
knee deep in the weeds sometimes that you know, sometimes
it's hard to see the forest through the trees, right, Okay,
So they are announcing this arrest, and I'm like, I
don't remember any other time when the case was like
we're going to be arresting somebody tomorrow. So I started thinking, like, Okay,
why would they announce that?
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
It seems calculated to me that they would announce that.
What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 11 (32:28):
So I've never been law enforcement before twenty one years
as an investigator, but never on the law enforcement side.
Always the private sector. So I can't speak on behalf
of any law enforcement experience. But you know, I too
find that's always unusual or maybe not unusual. But I
always challenge why police officialsts do that. And I don't
want to say, you know, I'm second guests law second
(32:50):
guests in law enforcement. They know what they're doing, but
it is curious to me when sometimes when they do
something like that.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
But do the cops do that on purpose?
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Right?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Like shit, I got to dispose of the murder weapon
and then follow them? Do you know what I mean
to get that evidence like that kind of and that
when I say calculated, that's what I mean. Like they're
under surveillance, they're going to be arrested tomorrow, let's announce
it and see what they do. Is it possible that
they are working like the person that they're going to
(33:21):
be arresting is like cooperating and they're just giving this person,
like you know, two days or whatever to wrap things up.
Like I don't know, I just John, what do you think?
John Green? Do you what do you think about that?
Speaker 8 (33:34):
Well?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
What I think right now is that we're very excited
because we've been talking about Jared and his case and
today's a big announcement.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
So yeah, I agree with you. We are this is
all speculation one hundred percent, and that's what we do, right.
This is that goes without saying we don't one hundred percent.
And these they know what they're doing. But I just
feel like this this move of announcing a rest twenty
four hours, you know, twenty after thirty hours or so
before it happens, it's there's a reason normally they would
(34:06):
just arrest them and say the arrest has been made exactly.
Speaker 11 (34:09):
Yeah, And that's when we get into the idea of
you know, for those that have engaged with law enforcement,
you know that's in some capacity, right, that really kind
of enters into the intuitive as far as like what
we know their methodology to be. As I mentioned before,
but you know, I fear I can't for really value
(34:31):
in that have the experience as a law enforcement officer,
but just as a you know, sure I've been investing
here for a long time as an individual looking in
from the outside, it definitely strikes me as odd. And
you know, the idea is when you just said, you know,
is cooperate trying to appease something I don't know, But
(34:56):
what I do know is that and rest on this
right And sure surely you and your listeners can can
remember this that the fact that law enforcement knows a
hell of a lot more than we do, and we
can take solids that their movements are well calculated.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Right. Another theory that I read today was that they
announced it to see if the person runs, because if
the person runs, they won't get bonded. But if the
person that is arrested has money, this will be a reason,
not that this person wouldn't be released. The reason I
wanted to have this phone call before tomorrow is just
(35:31):
kind of to see if is to see if we're
on the right track. Right.
Speaker 11 (35:35):
Yep, there's a lot of damning statements out there, are
really pointing fingers at Shanna. You know, we US three
have never springboarded or joined that kind of bandwagon. I'm
not saying I deny that, but I don't really share.
I don't really have evidence.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Community.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
There is no evidence of it. Yeah, there's no evidence
of it none.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
What's going to go down tomorrow, It's gonna be very.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
Good morning.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Thank you for being here today.
Speaker 9 (36:06):
My name is Jean Paul Smith, and I'm the chief
of Police.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yo, dude, I've been waiting all night for this. I
hope it's not Shanna.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
I don't think it's her because she's out about doing
normal things.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I just, you know, ultimately the kids, right Like I
was thinking about this last night. It would just be
terrible for those kids. They just lost their dad, you
know now, you know what I mean, that would be
just awful. Oh, here we go, It's it's life.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
Here we are. This is the moment.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
If you're an armchair detective or internet sleuth, this is
the thing you're waiting to hear and see. You spent
the last what several six seven weeks looking into Jared,
and now we're going to find out.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Imagine Jared's family right now though, like they must be
so Oh, there's Kirsten.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
This was a plan and targeted and.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
They still said it was planned and targeted.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Just under an hour ago, this man, Henry Tennen, was arrested.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
For the following crime Henry Tennan.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Conspiracy to commit murder.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Right the attorney's getting up to the attorney, I'll look
at Kirsten. Oh my heart.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
In order to protect the integrity of this ongoing and
active investigation, the state was obtained a court order sealing
Tenan's arrest weren't and outidated for.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
The next thirty days.
Speaker 10 (37:31):
Shit.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
However, I will briefly discuss the four crimes for which
Tenon has been arrested.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
They're sealing these the arrests weren't. Oh my god, Okay,
so grand jury's going to be sealed.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Ah.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
That was a quick and short, straight to the point.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Okay, So here's what we know Henry Tennan. They arrested
Henry Tennin. They said it was conspiracy to commit murder
and then also accessory after the fact, correct, and then
child abuse because his daughter. Now, all signs point to
him conspiring with somebody that we don't know yet, right,
(38:06):
So kind of like I said last night, it's going
to be somebody we don't know. But I was wrong.
I thought they had I thought they would have had
the FORDA f what' and fifty honestly, And I thought
that because of what Kirsten said when we talked to her,
when we asked her, do they have the four foot fifteen?
She was like radio silence? Remember, yeah, So that's interesting.
(38:27):
That is very interesting. So do we think that this
Henry Tennan might have been hired by somebody.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
That's my that's my initial like he's somehow connected to it.
But the police chief said they're looking for other people
too and asking the right the public to come forward
with any information. So it sounds like they're other individuals
than wolved.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Correct, that's what I'm gathering. Maybe this guy will talk,
you know what I mean. And the other thing we
learned too in this is that the arrest warrant is
going to be sealed for thirty days and it's going
to be taken in front of a grand jury, which
is you know, that's all that's always sealed, I guess
is the right way to say it. It's always you
can't read. So that's a bummer that we're not going
(39:11):
to be able to get the search warrant or the
arrest warrant, you know, or the probable cause, the reasons.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I want to know where Henry Ken lives.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Oh yeah, let's go look. Let me look him up,
all right, Jacksonville Beach. He's sixty one years old. He
resides in Jacksonville, Florida. Here's his phone number, his email address.
So excellent is that? Yeah, I've got everything. I'll send
you the info. Okay, i'd like to see his arrest
history to see if he's done carjacking in the past.
(39:42):
Yeah right, all right, so last named tennon Henry. Let's
just do that case type. This looks like it's more
civil court. The fuck here we go. So this is today.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
Criminal traffic? What's this one? Twenty sixteen, twenty twenty two,
this has got to be it.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Oh my god, go back.
Speaker 8 (40:10):
Tennon Henry.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Leaving the scene of an accident twenty twenty two. He
left the scene of a crime or no, I'm sorry,
leaving the scene of an accident.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
All right, look at the searge.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Results in twenty sixteen driving while licenses suspended or revoked
and he used somebody else's license plate. Two thy thirteen, Oh,
domestic battery okay, two thousand and eight operating wild driver's
license revoked for habitual traffic offender. He left the scene
(40:49):
of an accident again, license suspended, license suspent. Wow, he's
got his license suspended like all the time. So all
his court records so far are leaving the scene of
an accident, domestic battery, and driving with.
Speaker 8 (41:05):
A suspended license.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Looks think he has an open case right now and
his next court date is for January thirty first driving
while license is suspended or revoked. He also had the
possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Whoa, So
wait a minute, this is in September of twenty twenty
(41:31):
two of this year. Yeah, he was, that's when he
was arraigned.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
So they arrested him.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
When they took him in cusseyed.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
He had a weapon on Here we go, Yeah, it
happened in August of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
That gun matched the shell case.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Right, So I'm gonna print this, okay, so we have
it save and I'm gonna call this current case because
that's it's still open.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Henry tennin All right, let me upload these.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Okay, So there's two new files that you can look at.
Let's stop here for another quick break.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
So as soon as this press conference ended, Deanna and
I got back to doing what we do, which is
digging up new information, and discovered that Henry Tennant, the
person just arrested for Jared's death, his landlord up until
mid February last year, just happened to be Mario Fernandez,
Shanna Gardner's new husband.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
And I'm going to tell you right now, our heads
are exploding. This connection, which might just be a coincidence.
This brought the murder even closer to Jared's ex wife, Sheena.
This morning, I woke up to another Google alert, obviously,
and the alert was that Henry Tennan was in court
today for his first appearance and they write his charges
(43:03):
and you know he's been you know, bond. So then
I went and looked at the court records and he
filed for indigent status, okay, and he was granted. And
did you know, I don't know what that means, Like
I think that means he needs a public defender, right exactly,
you have to.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Meet a certain criteria in order being unless you have
to provide one for your own right.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
And then the other link that Google sent me was
a news article, and I updated the timeline and put
all the links in there and everything from First Coast
News who said they did an interview with the roommate.
And this is what this is where it gets interesting.
This is what I want to talk to you about.
The roommate said, Henry moved out in February of two.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, the incident with Jarrett happened on the sixteenth.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
That's up everywhere.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Usually usually people statedly end of the month to move
out right.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Right, Wow, I'm thinking it happened at the beginning of February,
and I'm thinking that Mario and Henry thought, well, if
you move out before you do it, nobody's going to
be able to link us, right because you've been renting
this for me privately. There's no company and well, you
know what I mean. Mario thought, Okay, well this won't
be an issue. They're not going to be able to
(44:18):
link us. You don't live there anymore exactly. So I
thought that was interesting. And then the roommate went on
to say that since October the cops have been there
several times with search warrants, looking for guns and cars
and other evidence. But he didn't know why. The roommate
he didn't know what what for. He just knew they
(44:38):
had search warrants. So that's interesting. Guess when Henry's going
to be arraigned.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Thirty first or the sixteenth of February.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Sixteenth of February. Holy cow, that's going to be a
big isn't that something?
Speaker 5 (44:52):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Isn't that now?
Speaker 7 (44:54):
Listen?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
It could change, right, those kinds of things change. Yeah,
But when I read that, I got the chill. I
was like, what, I went to the court website and
it was right there, February sixteenth.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
I was like, what, I'm sure that was done on
firstpace as a nice book ending, right.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
I also added like the exf grab of the Kawi
trip that so Shelley posted because I thought that was interesting.
She posted that post right at like the same time
Jared was getting murdered. It was just really weird. So,
and I'm looking at I'm looking at these pictures of
the post in Kawhi right now. I don't know when
they went to Kauai. I don't that I don't know.
(45:34):
It just says our annual trip to Kawhi was awesome.
But there's no information on like when they were actually there.
But I'm looking at pictures of like Mario and Shanna
app in Kauai, and I'm looking at Mario and I'm like,
that little shit knew this was coming, like because obviously
this is prior to his murder, right, yeah, but I
(45:55):
mean he was he hadn't planned by the time this
trip was done. Like, I don't know. It just makes
me sick, right, it just makes me sick. I mean,
he's got a couple of uys. You know, Yeah, no
news from Mario that I've seen at all. And I
went through I've already gone through all his records. He
(46:16):
just has like speeding tickets and stuff.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
I think they're just sitting on him, waiting for him
to do their own move.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
I mean, I think that's why they announced it. I
really do to see what he does or what or
what she does right or both. Her Her mom posted
yesterday that she received a beautiful card in the mail
from like the stamping up people. But so I'm assuming
she's home. A yeah, that's like. One of the first
(46:44):
places I went this morning was to her mom's blog.
I mean, I'm a nosy bitch. I wake up in
the morning. I wake up in the morning, I get
my coffee, I sit down, I read my Google alert,
and I.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Go and look, Welcome to the life of John and Deianna.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
All right, it's Friday morning. I'm gonna start going through
some Facebook posts on Henry Tennon just to I don't know,
I just still have a feeling we're gonna be able
to find this blue Florida f one fifty connected to
him somehow. So I'm gonna go to it just just friends,
and I'm gonna type in ten and in the back,
just to look for people that are related. All Right,
(47:27):
we have a Dwight. Let's go to his photos. Nothing there, videos,
nothing there, posts. This looks like maybe it's a cousin
or a brother. It's that same age range. All right,
he's just he plays a bunch of games and that's
like his whole Facebook feed. Okay, Lawrence Crane. His photo
(47:50):
is a car, so he probably has cars and his
Let's go to him photos. No, foe fifty.
Speaker 8 (47:59):
What's this?
Speaker 1 (48:00):
That's a four one fifty But it's like pimped out.
Looks really nice. It's definitely not it Johnny tennon all right.
He looks like maybe a brother or cousin. All right,
so let's go to photos. He's got a picture of
a white.
Speaker 8 (48:20):
Is that a caddy?
Speaker 11 (48:21):
Maybe?
Speaker 8 (48:22):
Okay, it's got a videos. Oh my god, there's a
blue Ford f one fifty in the driveway. Holy shit.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Okay, wait a minute, hold on, that doesn't mean anything.
This guy lives in Georgia. But I'm saving this. Okay,
blue Ford. Let me make a it's not really a
good angle of it, alright. Let me I gotta log this, Okay,
let me get my spreadsheet. I should have done this beforehand.
(48:51):
I wasn't prepared. He's got a couple of videos and
they're all outside, like in his like kind of driveway.
Speaker 8 (48:59):
Let's see this one. This is twenty nineteen.
Speaker 7 (49:03):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
There it is that looks like that looks like the
exact car. Okay, I gotta save this, Lily Crapple save
blue Ford F one. I gotta send this to JG
right now. All right, so let me see let me
text him. All right, Okay, I'm freaking out. I need
(49:24):
to relax a little bit because it doesn't mean anything.
All right, let me go to Google. Matt well, let
me go run a report on him.
Speaker 8 (49:32):
He lives in Georgia. There he is. Copy save.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Johnny tennin Alrightmaps dot Google, let me copy that address.
Speaker 8 (49:48):
All right, let's go to the street view.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Oh there it is.
Speaker 8 (49:54):
On the street view.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Holy shit.
Speaker 8 (49:57):
I send this to JG right now.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
I should not have done this, because now I'm like,
I need somebody to talk to and I have nobody
to talk to. Oh somebody else found it too. Oh fuck,
somebody else found it on Reddit.
Speaker 8 (50:15):
John just sent it to me. I woke up and
started going through his friends.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Alright, let me go read this redd thread. M somebody
posted it on Reddit fifteen hours ago. Okay, I'm just
here to give kudos cause I tried fighting it on
Google Street with all his known addresses and work, but
no success. I'm assuming the cops have found the truck
by now at his relatives. Can you tell what you're
(50:47):
it wouldn't hurt to call the police. I wonder if
anybody did. Okay, let me go look Ford f one
fifty Jared Bride again two thousand and four to two
thousand and eight. So I wonder if I should call
the cops. I feel stupid calling them if somebody else
(51:09):
already did. Let's see no indication if he called the
cops in this thread. Intelligent Basil forty three, you and
I are soul sisters here, all right? I should have
looked on Reddit first. God dang it. Oh well, I
didn't take that long. I mean, this is probably a
really common truck, right, but I still think I should
(51:31):
tell Jack's police, which I'm gonna do. You can find
the information on the relatives' Facebook page at.
Speaker 7 (51:49):
Here.
Speaker 6 (51:50):
Copy.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
You have to watch the video by watching the video here.
And then I got the address for this person, Johnny
Tennin located here and Google map street View has an
(52:16):
image of this blue Ford F one F in the
drive way. Let me get that and this is back
in twenty thirteen, so that puts it in line with
that truck year. The image from Google Maps is from
(52:42):
twenty thirteen, which is in line with the year of
truck you are seeking in the Jared Bridegan murder. After
Henry Tennan's arrest, John and our producer Andrews spoke to Kirsten.
Jared's wife.
Speaker 6 (53:01):
Kirsten told us, ever since Mario was arrested, it's been
very hard for her, both physically and mentally.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
And we can understand that I had a migraine for
a couple of days and just like barely coming down
off of one. So it's just manifested itself physically in
some strange ways that I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
But otherwise, I mean, we're good. You know, it's a
good step forward, it's a positive thing.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
It's just a lot. And we were informed a little
bit ahead of time that an arrest was coming, and
thankfully they granted my request to see the photo of
the person prior to the press conference. So I had
to kind of keep it under wraps from my family
(53:53):
and friends. But then Monday hit and somebody apparently leaked
it to the press. So things just got crazy a
lot earlier than I had expected. You know, Monday night,
Instagram was blowing up, Facebook was blowing up.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
People were messaging me, is this true?
Speaker 9 (54:12):
Is this true?
Speaker 5 (54:12):
And I just didn't open messages. It was it was
too much.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
Plus I couldn't say anything, So I still have a
lot of messages I haven't responded to. But yeah, it
just it's been a circus for a week. And then
Wednesday morning, obviously, was the press conference that I attended
in person along with my brother, two brother.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
In laws, and one of their wives, when.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
It was announced that they found an individual involved in
Jared's murder. He was charged with four separate things, one
being conspiracy to commit murder, which indicates there are more
than one person involved in the state attorney herself stated,
we know that, you know, Henry Tennant did not act alone,
(55:01):
so we know more things are coming. How soon, I'm
not sure, but the fact that the arrest warrant and
the affidavit is sealed for thirty days, if you believe
that puts it at the twenty sixth of February, makes
me believe that there's obviously a reason it's sealed, and
I would assume it means it has stuff in it
(55:24):
that relates to other people.
Speaker 5 (55:26):
So I would assume based on that that more arrests
will come.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Before then more on that next time.
Speaker 6 (55:36):
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