January 11, 2024 • 54 mins
Devin tells the tale of her brief and accidental foray into the Bachelor Nation instagram-verse and then the ladies dive into the earth shattering, history making, mind blowing finale of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City! The mysteries, the dolls, the caves, the secrets the TEA and of course THE BEACH of it all! Then, Devin and Carolina touch on the more relatable villains of Southern Charm.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, I want.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello and welcome a true romance. This is Carolina Barlowe.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And this is Devin Larry.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
And let me just say that we don't have time
to dilly dally at all. There is so much that
happened this week and we don't have That's what we
normally do. I normally would make a joke about how
Carolina's hair is in a weird Grinch style cowlic on
top of her head, like al show from the Little Rascals,
(00:42):
But right now I don't have time to do that.
So like we got it. So first of all, let
me just say this. You know, I don't want to
be part of narratives. I don't want to be in
the public eye. I don't want listen I'm smiling.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
But do I like getting attention?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
No, I don't like getting attend I'm not that type
of person at all.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yet yet I did, you know?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
But yet I do monitor who views my Instagram stories
to a fault. You know, when one when the number
one seventy two goes up to one seventy three, I
take note of something like that my story views, especially
when I'm posting amazing you know, selfies, things that I'm
really proud of so this new Year I happened upon.
(01:28):
You know, my Twitter algorithm is mostly like I would
never have any idea what's going on in the world
with my Twitter algorithm, and that's how I prefer it.
Like I only get Housewives stuff and old reality show
footage and the like, and so I and like people
saying they're gonna, you know, die for Paul Mezcal and
(01:51):
Jeremi Allen.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
What that's my algorithm? So I saw this on New
Year's Day.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Of course, I see a screenshot from the iconic episode
of The Hill where that ends with Lauren calling Jason
crying saying Happy New Year, Jason. So I post that
on my story. Is just you know, a little nod
to one of my favorite reality shows. Just it's a
new year, let's take let's hold on to some nostalgia.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Not everything has to be new.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
We will never have a show like The Hills again,
so we we have to remember stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You have to learn from history so it doesn't repeat itself.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And so I post that, and you know, I'm checking
to see maybe one or two of my crushes might
have viewed one of my selfies that I posted. And
I'm seeing I'm like, wait, there's like five six hundred
views on my Instagram stories and I was like, that's weird.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You know that never happens.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
A little all made I got to shake you in
your boots and say, what's happening.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, So I just thought, I'm like, that's a little
bit weird.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And I look at the story views and I see
a few of them are like from accounts that say
something to do with the Bachelor, and you.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Know that's the thing star getting a little set when
there was a turn.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
So let me say this.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
So I've I've kind of alluded to it on the pod,
people have commented it on our reviews before. It is
a little weird. We talked about the Bachelor and Bachelor
Nation on the podcast. My ex boyfriend won the Bachelorette.
He became engaged to Tasha, and it is kind of
weird that I don't talk about that.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But to be honest, it's like, at the time.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
That it was happening, I didn't feel like comfortable doing
it and I didn't want to seem like I was
just like tagging on like oh and by the way,
that's my ex boyfriend whatever. And I also was in
a really like bad, controlling relationship at the time the
show came out, where the guy that I was dating
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when the show came out was like weirdly jealous and
controlling about me talking about my ex being on the Bachelor,
which I.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Had no feelings by the time.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Now i'll say you know, I'll say his name even controversy, Zach.
By the time I was on the Bachelor, like I
had no feelings for him, really positive or negative. Like
I it had been so long since since we'd broken up,
I had I was in a new relationship. I had
already been in and gotten out of a whole other relationship,
Like my whole life had changed. I moved to LA
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and back again, Like so much had happened that I
really didn't have feelings about him, Like watching him was weird.
It's weird to watch your ex boyfriend on a reality show,
as it would be weird to see anyone on a
reality show, But like it didn't bring up feelings of
like oh I miss him, or like oh, well, you
know what I mean. Like it was just kind of,
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if anything, funny and like interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So the funniest part of you having that controlling boyfriend
at the time, who didn't like you bringing up the
Bachelor or the bachelorette as it was uh was that
he was like he said something once that was like, oh,
you always bring it up, and I wanted to be like, yeah,
it's a pretty big fucking deal though, like if you're
funny story, it's also crazy, Like I mean not crazy
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in a bad way or a good way, it's just wild.
I still think it's like one of the crazier things
that's ever happened to us collectively as a group.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And I'm not even directly involved.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
By the way it was crazy and funny, like I
mean the way it happened, by the way it was
during COVID, it was actually a gift from God.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
It was like, this is true.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
We needed this, Like it was COVID hopeless despair, and
I saw, I literally saw my exes, like a photo
of my ex that looked like a like a professional
like almost like a school picture of him.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And my first thought.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Was like, oh my god, did he die, Like why
would someone post a picture like this of him randomly?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And it was actually his.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
His like one of his relatives that I didn't realize
was I was still following him she's like, I'm so
proud of Zach for being added to the cast of
the Bachelorette season whatever, and I was like, wait.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
No, no, no, no, no, this is not real.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And then I like sent it to someone I know
who is a big fan of the show, and then
she found all these Reddit posts and they were like
this guy is joining the cast and I was like,
oh my god, he's actually joining the cast.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
By the way, when we were dating, he had told
me that his sister and mom thought he should go
on the Bachelor, And by the way, I think and
we can leave this in or not, Carolina, but I
think you were the one who said like, I think
he's gonna win. Like, I think he's gonna win because
he has he's very good looking, and he has.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
A really crazy backstory.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So like we both talked about, like when he gets
to the one on one that's when he's going to
tell his story. And then she's gonna be like, oh
my god, I'm blown away by this hero's tale.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I will never forget the moment when I saw said headshot,
and I too, I had been going through a breakup.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Things weren't necessarily easy. The world, the country was shutting down.
It was a horror show. It was a fucking nightmare.
Sometime it was a tough time, and.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I held onto this like a tree branch as I
was getting pulled away by a storm. Yes, I needed
this in every part of my being. And so I
will never forget that moment, and I was I'm grateful
for said moment. But it's so true what you said,
Like I did not view Zach at all in a
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bad way, and it was totally fine.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It was totally neutral.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It was more like I need to see what happens
because I know this person, okay.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And by the way, so yeah, so I did talk
about it a lot, and I think the story you're
referring to is like I did eventually get like kind
of sick of it because literally people that I went
to high school with that I don't speak to at all,
or like people I don't even barely know, were like
dming me being like.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Is this your ex boyfriend? Is this?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And then I was just kind of like all right,
like I don't want to talk about this with like
random people, like it just annoying. So I said that
in front of the guy I was dating when the
controlling my controlling X, which is not Zach by the way,
just want to be clear about that. But my controlling
X was like something along lines of like, oh, don't
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pretend you don't love talking about it, And I was
like what, and he's like, you bring it up all
the time. I'm like, I don't bring it up. People
bring it up to me because they're seeing this person. Meanwhile,
he that ex like when he would name drop people
all the time that he like he had. He actually
bragged about the fact that he had like flirted with
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Kaylee mcannaney or whatever, like Trump's like press person and you.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Can keep that to yourself. You can keep that to
yourself and who cares.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I'm not like, oh and wow, and you're bringing that
up like it's like whatever. But he couldn't deal with
it and it's like whatever. So anyway, so that happened.
I loved watching Zach on the show. In fact, I
want him to go on The Bachelom Paradise.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I would like that. We want we want to see
more of him, we want to see more and rooting
for him.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
We're rooting for him, and then so then whatever, flash
forward years later, but by now I've been in a
whole other dysfunctional relationship. Now I'm out of that relationship again.
Here I am, and I post this thing. Happy New Year, Jason.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So then I see the Bachelor things are viewing it.
Then I go to my message requests and literally I'm
getting things in my messages that were like, oh, well,
well she's gonna fucking get what she deserves in response
to the Lauren thing, and I'm like, this is confusing.
They're like, we hope they get what they deserve. We
hope that this is not gonna end. Well, I'm like, wait,
(09:31):
I'm not understanding anything. So I click on one of
the Bachelor like things that viewed My story had a
lot of followers.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So I because I am a brilliant mind, I think,
why don't I just go here? See what's here?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
So that never challenge me when it comes to the internet,
like when we when my rough thumbs, calloused fingers hit
that pad. I can do anything.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
We can do anything.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It's like, I mean, we have fat I was actually
thinking about this recently, like the journeys I've been on.
Do you remember, like there was this guy in la
that I match with on Hinge and we were going
to go on a date and I then I after
I said yes to the day and I instagram stocked
him and like discovered he had a child. And I'm
literally like years back, I'm like, okay, so the child
is six, so he's divorced, he was married to the wife.
(10:19):
And I go through this journey and I'm like, you
know what, I am woman enough at the age of
twenty six years old that I'm actually going to go
on this date with a man who has a child.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I don't care that he's divorced, Like I accept him
for who he is. And then he stood me up.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So's you're literally like, I am going to be a stepmomy.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I was like a good one at that. Yeah, I
can raise a child. I am twenty six years old.
That is the definition of being twenty six years old.
Think that actually thinking you can raise a child is
the definition of being twenty six years old when actually.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You don't even like waking up before ten am, but
you think you can raise a human being.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, And then by the time you're thirty, you're like, oh,
I don't know how to like send me one email
to forever twenty one about a return.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Okay, so.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I so I go to this account, so basically this
is what happened, and it is convoluted. I was obviously
like sending this around to like group chats, and a
lot of people were confused. So I posted a thing
of Lauren Conrad on the hill saying Happy New Year, Jason,
without knowing that a story had just unleashed itself onto
(11:24):
Bachelor Nation, which is that my ex boyfriend Zach is
now dating Caitlin Bristow of Bachelor Nation. This is drama
because Caitlin Bristow had recently broken up with a man
named Jason, who people, I guess think she might have
cheated on.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Also, and not only that, Caitlyn co.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Hosted The Bachelor with Tasha, who was engaged to Zach.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So this is drama.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I guess people are upset from what I understand now
through the help of many friends of the pod who
have come in to help explain this because we watched
The Bachelor. But I wouldn't say either of us is
like deep entrenched in the Nation. We have retrieved information.
Like I think people are upset because they feel like
they were upset about the way that Caitlin's relationship with
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Jason ended, and they think she was in the wrong,
and now she's dating Zach and they're like, she doesn't
deserve him. Meanwhile, they're like, why is Zach dating Tasha's
co host? That's like too close to home. I think
that's the thing. And so they thought I posted Happy
New Year Jason as some sort of homage to like,
Jason and I are both struggling.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
The funniest part of that is that you were like,
I just like the hills, Like I just.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Miss this TV show.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I just missed the TV show, And like, I am
not like crying on New Year's about my ex boyfriend
from twenty seventeen, like that was seven years ago now,
And it's like Jason may very well be crying.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
It seems like they broke up. Broke up like relatively recently.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
That's fine, but I'm crying over a lot of things,
certainly not that. But anyway, it was really funny, and
I wish I had, you know, like more tea to spill,
but I think the topic of tea could in fact
lead us to the next spot. So this is the
(13:17):
first half way week. I'm obviously I'm in, I'm in,
you know, the public eye all of a sudden, people
are thank God.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
By the way, the relief. I posted this selfie this week.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I actually just added added it to my main grid
because I was like, this is like such a stunning photo.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
This is how like self centered I am.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Sick I am though, and like my body dys morphia
has reversed now as the result of like trauma therapy,
and now I have like too big of an ego,
I think. But I took a selfie in this person's
bathroom on New Year's who had a New Year's party,
and like I've actually thought multiple times, like why hasn't
he reached out to comment that that wasn't such an
amazing like like to say, like, wow, that was in
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my bathroom, that picture, Like that's how good I think
the picture is.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
So it happened. It so happened that I had posted
that photo.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And I'm like, well, if if seven hundred people are
gonna see anything, I should be saying I'm happy for
them to see this, and but then this will be
my public statement. But by the way, the next picture
besides that was like a picture of a like a
Christmas decoration that I thought looked like my cat.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So it's like these people are like.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Oh my god, the tea, like, let's go to at
Devin Underscore a Hunter Underscore LERI account and it's.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Like, this looks like my cat.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
They're like okay, So anyway, So that's the first whirlwind,
and then we are brought to.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yet another paranormal universe, and that is.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Bermuda Triangle Dinner, the Bermuda Triangle Dinner. And by the way,
this episode's gonna come out after the first part of
the Reunion comes out, but so just know that we
we haven't seen the first part of the Reunion yet.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But I don't think it can beat the Bermuda Triangle episode.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Nothing literally, nothing ever will beat.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That the tension I felt in my body. First of all,
I tried to watch this the night it came out,
and I couldn't find it on Bravo. It was like
a moment of panic with direct TV. It's why I
probably will cancel Direct TV. So I have to delete Instagram,
delete Twitter. I've already seen the beautiful, the beautyful shots
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the girls of finding out like this incredible news, like
the shot of Meredith with hair blowing over her face,
like I've seen I know that something's bound to happen.
I just don't know exactly what it is, and slowly
I can't help it gather some pieces together. Finally I
watch the episode. I rush home. I rush home to
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watch this episode, and work was stressful and things were stressful,
but all I could think of was tonight everything's gonna
be Okay. I'm gonna go watch Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City and see what truly the nation is talking about. So,
of course, to anyone who hasn't seen it, fast forward
to the end of this episode where we say we
love each other.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Oh well, let me say where I would like to start,
and then tell me if you agree or.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Disagree, continue. I would like to start with the scene
in the perfume shop. Okay, so obviously like this.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
The episode starts with like that same dramatic Bravo thing
where they're like, look, what's gonna happen at the end,
like then like.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Rewind rewind rear hereiod are we don't know what's the
best version of them playing with time? Yes, But.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Leading into this I thought this is what I thought,
based on reading Twitter and not caring about spoilers, I
thought it was going to be revealed that Monica was
suing beauty lab and laser that's.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
What going around.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
So I'm thinking, all right, something's going to be going
on with Monica, so I'm paying extra attention to, you know,
the behavior of Heather specifically in Monica. And then before
the drama starts to take place about halfway through the
episode is when the fire is lit of like this
person being exposed on live television, which is like, I
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like love nothing more than someone getting exposed. Like what
I've realized is like I don't really like true crime
so much as I like watching a liar get revealed.
So it's like, yeah, when a true crime documentary is
just like, you know, a murder case, it's like okay,
But when a liar is revealed or when people are
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like I now realize this person was a liar, That's
what really tugs at my core wounds.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
This is true.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I completely identify with that feeling, and we'll get to it.
But I also think the way that Monica reacted to
being exposed was cinematic.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It was all jaw on the floor, like this couldn't
be happening better. I watched it, I think in the morning.
By the way, it's like to start your day. Was
saying like this, Well, I don't it's beyond comprehension. But
basically the first thing I noticed was they go to
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this perfume store. It's really I really recommend Danny Pellegrino's
recap of this too, because also he pointed out that
they go to.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
This perfume store, and because.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Danny, when Danny Pellogrena was on our podcast, he pointed out, like,
the best thing about Bravo is like the stuff that
will just move past, Like we're like, yeah, okay, so
like Luanne went to prison, okay, or like Luanne was
dressed like a pirate and had sex with the pirate. Yeah,
moving on, Like that's not even the most important thing.
But this was one of those things where the perfume
person is like, so this fragrance was actually retrieved from
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a shipwreck under the sea a million years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And Heather goes, yep, and that's my favorite fragrance. That
one's gonna end. It's like, what are you guys talking about?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
But okay, So then Heather suddenly realizes she says that
she doesn't have her wallet.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Can Monica.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Well, in part she says Angie, can, do you have
your credit card? Angie conveniently doesn't have her credit card,
and Monica then offers to pay please. I ask you
viewers to go back and watch Heather's facial expressions during
this scene. She's looking at the producers. She's looking suspicious.
I believe that she. I believe that. Heather, as she
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explains later, like knew some stuff was going on with Monica.
She said to Angie, I think Monica like doesn't have money,
Like like she basically teed Angie up without giving her
all the info. I think she was probably like, let's
make Monica look bad by like making her buy the
stuff for us, and then she wanted to maybe in
that moment try to like call Monica out if her.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Credit card didn't work or something.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
But it failed because her credit card did work, and
then they moved on. So this was the first moment
where I was like, something weird's going on. Heather is
looking really suspicious, acting weird. She knows something's up that
I'm like, can we please just not have to watch
anything more until we like get the real thing right?
But they're like riding on mope heads and it's like.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I know, I was like, come on, people, let's get
to the revelation please.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
And then Heather goes home again.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I think I think this wasn't planned on the producer's part,
but I do think Heather, this is my personal opinion,
I think she knew she was miked when she had
this phone call, and basically she's like, you guys.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Do not film me right now. It's her. Oh my god,
I'm trembling. It's her. And you're like, okay, so I agree.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I agree. I thought Heather. Heather is just one of
a really smart housewife. Whitney thinks Whitney wild Rose thinks
she's a smart housewife, but a lot of the pot
storing she does is kind of like bullshit. But Heather
really knows how. Heather is like Kyle Richard's level, knows
how to play this game.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Actually, by the way, there was another moment of like,
this is something we just brushed past as housewives yours,
which was before this all the conversation with Heather and Whitney,
where at the end of the makeup and Heather's like,
I'm not the crazy one.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You are, and but He's like, okay, ha ha, but
you're the crazy one.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And she's like, oh, cousin Whitney, like the most passive,
aggressive conversation that's ever been had among any people, and
then they.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Just cheer pasted it. She's like, I'm not crazy. Okay,
you are okay, you are okay.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Here literally, Whitney was screaming at her, saying that she
used her vagina and exploited her sexuality. I know, which,
I'm like, I don't know. Remember, she's like, you said that.
I went, like, you took a picture of me from
vagina to butthole. I head, there's like I never used
the word butthole.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
She said backside. I'm like, honestly, backside is worse. When
people say like rear end or like bottom or backside,
it like makes me think of like a clinical, like
sinister like thing that I don't know. Maybe this is
at me issue, but I'm like, I don't like when
it's it makes me think of a creepy adult when
someone says backside. Oh yeah, and then I'm like, I
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would rather someone say butthole. At least it's like that's
like a kid joking around, but so mature.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
That I immediately laugh.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Okay, so buttle is a kid joking around and background
as a sinister adult. Just so you guys don't say
that I agree, And that's a part of the Housewives
canon moving forward.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So I want to get to Heather waiting on the beach.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Okay, Heather waiting on the beach is like, please, can
someone paint a mural? I want a mural painted on
my bedroom wall of Heather waiting on the beach.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And I've never seen a country so united as when Whitney, Meredith,
and Lisa all come to her like and if again,
we're we're gonna just brush past the part that Lisa
was screaming on a yacht at Meredith like less than
twenty four hours beforehand.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yes, none of that matters, now, you know what?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's something something that's beautiful about the Housewives is actually
it reminds me of how when I was in college,
I locked myself in the bathroom at a house party
of these really cool seniors who owned a house and
I was a freshman, and I like locked myself in
their bathroom and passed out while throwing.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Up normally, which is really cool.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
And so then obviously like the ambulance had to come
and like it was really.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Embarrassing yeah, an that little dance. Then I'm like embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Next week, very same house, very same senior's house, a
guy passed out drunk shit on their couch, waw sleep
and the shit was smeared on their walls, and I immediately.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
A rush came over me.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I felt like, Okay, so nothing I did will ever
matter because somebody shit on their walls. So that's like
the Housewives universe is there's constantly someone shitting on the wall,
so that by the next week it's like, oh, it's
it doesn't matter that you conned I mean Beverly Hills
right now, is that's what's happening. It doesn't matter that
Erica might have known about twenty million dollars being conned
or whatever, because Denise and her daughter are on OnlyFans right,
(24:12):
Duri is a Karen, So it's like, well, none of
that matters anymore. You can scam the elderly, you can
scam plane crash victims, you can shit on the wall even,
I mean people Ramona shit on the floor. It's like,
what do we know about that anymore? Do we even
talk about that?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I literally was just telling someone, Oh, Ramoni has a
problem with shitting on the floor, and they were like, what,
I know, it's like what I was like, I don't
have time to talk to you about that. Like I'm
literally just watching an old Roney episode where uh, lu
Anne and Leah are bonding over the fact that they
(24:47):
both got arrested for assaulting a police officer. And I'm like,
I have never in my life met someone who has
arrested for assaulting a police officer, but yet here we are.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I mean, Caroline, I do think we probably have met somebody.
I mean, okay, but we don't have to talk about that.
So and by the way, girls a cab girls, by
the way a cab And by the way, I Luanne
did her peace by speaking to remember or no. She
(25:18):
had some sort of like glam day for like former prisoners,
and she was like, girls, I know, I remember just
what it was like.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And they're like, I have like no future and I
can't vote. Okay, So the Beach.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
When I rewatched The Beach, I realized, first of all,
I wonder now if Whitney knew, because Whitney came ready
to perform, but Lisa and Meredith seemed a little bit like.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Lisa, she almost okay, Okay, this is Lisa the whole time,
like Heather's being like everything Heather said, She's like, so
I looked into some information.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Lisa like okay, and she's like, and I found out
Monica the woman who we celebrate her birthday. Okay, and
then she's like it's not who she says. She's okay,
you're scaring me. Okay, you're gonna cry.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
You okay, cry, You're my favorite part.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You're gonna cry because Lisa can't is always on the
verge of tears too much like many housewives, So you're like,
Lisa is about to cry just at the thinking that
something God is going to happen.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
She's also this type of person like as has been
spoken about like Jenshaw and and Monica, I guess both
said that like Lisa would talk for so long if
they would like leave the phone and come back, and
Lisa like she's one of those people who has no regard,
Like it's extremely annoying when you're trying to talk to
someone and they keep going okay, okay, but she has
no regard, Like she's like, Okay, you're scaring me, Okay,
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you're crying. Okay, Well, what's going on Okay, what's going on?
And it's like, just let the other people talk. It's
really amazing. And I loved her performance in that moment.
And also I love Meredith the over dramatic, but Meredith.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Is like stunning. Meredith talking about why everyone is after
them was one of the days I'm so tired of
people hurting us. People try to hurt us. It's like, okay,
it was so great.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
She by the way, she posted this yesterday or today,
which I was like dying over.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
She posted a.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Picture of her on the mopads in Bermuda, which I
again like, it's like, I forgot that you even did that, Like,
why are you posting of that?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I guess she just liked her outpicaure. She was wearing
a blazer. She goes.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I gotta say, as much as I don't like driving,
driving the moped was much more enjoyable than the Bermuda
Triangle dinner. Although I am grateful that the truth has
finally come to light, heart, Heart.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
And I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
She also posted the beach picture and said a picture
is worth a thousand words, with a link to her earrings,
which were designed by her and you can shop them
from the photo.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Amazing, that's what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But I just I loved that victimhood narrative that everyone
is out to get them.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Also what I love is that when Heather reveals that
Monica is behind the count Reality Vanteese, just like there
was a million Bachelor accounts that were like looking at
your story, there's a million Bravo accounts, like, yeah, I
can't keep track of them, and I find I literally
found one the other day that I was like, Oh,
this will be a cool meme account. I love this,
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But you're like, these women pay so much attention to
what is posted about them, but of course they know
each account by name.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Also, like what I noticed about the screenshots, Reality Vantese
has like four thousand or like seven thousand, Like it
doesn't even have ten k followers, which is like the minimum,
I mean the sorry, but the Bachelor account that was
looking at my stories had like hundreds of thousands of
followers and this account had like very few thousand followers.
(29:02):
But also I was dying because the bio said like
tea on Real House of Salt Lake City or whatever,
and then it said black Lives Matter. I was like,
all right, Well, at least. I guess they're doing their part. No,
but it's so true. But you know what I loved
in this moment the reason. Okay, So Heather delivered every
word she was. I almost was like, did she get
(29:24):
an acting coach? I know I was written, was delivered
with such power and she but it said. It made
me realize how often it's said on these shows she's
not who she says she is. She's fake, she's lying,
it's always said, but rarely is a full alternative identity.
She says, she's not who she says she is. She
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is reality Vonte's.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And they gasp as if she said she killed JFK.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Why heard us? I don't. No, it's like it's it's
so amazing, it's so amazing.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And I is another thing is and is her saying
and I want to confront her at dinner and I
need you all to back me up.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
So that is again a feeling like we feel connected
to these women. We're all now a part of this plan.
I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Well, let me say this also, like, so Heather's interesting
because for those of us who watched Real Housewives Ultimate
Girls Trip in Thailand, Heather in the same way that
Lisa vander Pump is a totally different identity on Beverly
Hills Housewives than she is on vander Pump Rules. Heather
was very like awkward and honestly a little bit embarrassing
(30:44):
on Girls Trip, Like I almost felt like she was
my friend, Like I'm like, oh shit, like this is
my friend from Salt Lake and she's like embarrassing me
in front of Mary Saw on Alexia, like because she
was being so thirsty, and she was like, oh, I'm
just a fan, like I'm such a fan of poor show.
I can't believe I'm in the midst of Marisol And
it was like, all right, calm down, like you're so thirsty,
(31:05):
just be normal, Like she was like the annoying friend
of yours that you bring to a sleepover and you're like,
can you just be normal?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Like right, sorry?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And so I know that she's very insecure and she
wants all these women to like her, So I think
there was like I think she was extremely excited to
have this moment where she knew, because of their own egos,
all these women would stand with her, like they all
would stand with her. So I think she was excited
about that. I honestly think that's why she was crying,
(31:33):
because she was so happy that she finally has a
reason for everyone to stand behind her.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
And I love Heather and I stand behind her. But
it's I'm just saying what I see. So Ben, we
get to the dinner, okay, So the interesting thing about
the dinner is that then two full different conversations are
had before we even get to this weird thing number one.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
And the conversations are initiated by Heather saying they're gonna
play a game with these godforsaken, fucking cursed ass dolls
like lollipop dolls, like you nice, the doll is gonna
brought she brought them back, she brought them with her,
and like they're gonna play with them again.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And I'm like, wait, I don't even need to be
Oh sorry, this is backwards.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
They start that we don't even get the beach scene
until we see the dolls, because first, because you know what,
if they had shown the dolls after we knew this information,
I would have lost my shit. But we see the dolls.
Were like another boring dinner with the dolls, and.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Then another like bullshit game that gets everyone screaming at
each other.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yes, and then they flash back and they say, this
is what really happened. But I will say that the
game was like, whatever doll is in the bowl in
front of you, you can find out a mystery about
that person. So whitness like, my mystery is so funny?
Why is Lisa able to be dramatic on a yacht?
(32:54):
And I'm not allowed to cry about my dead friend?
That's my mystery? And I'm like, what are we doing? Girl?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's like, now we can just move on, please.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And Meredith's mystery was why didn't Heather support me more
in the cave?
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And then finally Heather has Merediths doll.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
But she says I know enough. Okay, she says, I
know enough about Meredith. I want to know about Monica.
And that's what she says.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
My mystery is who is the real Monica?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
It's so crazy. This is so crazy to me, and
it is really crazy. It's the fact I said, and
it's not just me's casually saying it's crazy. It is
really crazy that Monica had multiple accounts at Beauty Lab
under different last names. It's crazy that Monica used to
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live a life as a blonde it's crazy. Like Unfortunately,
this is where my codependent sickness comes in. I don't
want to think of Monica as crazy because she has
four daughters. That makes me sad. That makes me sad
that they're raised by what who I now believed to
be a crazy person. And I want to believe that
she's this person she presented herself as is like this
(34:08):
mom who was just owning her shit, who had done
a lot of bad things. What was breaking the you know,
cycle of abuse? And was this amazing single more?
Speaker 3 (34:16):
As Hannah said, I mean, as Hannah, what am I saying?
As Heather's my friend Hannah texted me a second ago.
As Heather says, the way she presented herself a truth seeker.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
So the way Heather handled this at dinner was actually
incredible because I, knowing myself, wouldn't have been able to
hold back. I would have just started screaming. But Heather
is like, Monica, why did we trust you? Why did
we comli you?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Comly?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And Monica and I could feel Monica to start to
understand that things were not as they seemed in this moment,
and she's like, probably because I had the proof. I
had the receipts I had the screenshots I and Heather
goes and what about the truth, And Monica goes, oh, no,
(35:17):
that's what I meant.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I said that I have the proof. And then Heather
goes in.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
And the way Monica stares as Heather is yelling at
her about Monica being reality of Antie's, you know that
Monica is calmly realizing that she has been caught. I've
never seen a housewife like besides lul Anne, who had
got confronted a lot on Ronnie and would have to
just like kind of stay like cool while Bethany screamed
(35:47):
at her and said that she was a sicko for
leaving rehab for Cabaret. I've never seen a housewife just
take it the way Monica is just like nodding while
the wind blows. She does start yelling at Lisa, telling
her that she's like a leather face Donald Trump, Donald
Trump fan.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
She says, Donald Trump fan, which is fair. You know.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
It's like people are complicated and on the one hand,
like Monica. You know, on the one hand, Monica is
a liar and has fake identities and lied pathologically and
is an online cyberbully on the other hand, Lisa did
vote for Trump, and on the other hand, you know,
(36:28):
all these other women did support jen Shaw, who scammed
the elderly.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And on the you know what I mean, It's like
there is a little.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Element to me of like everybody's guilty here, but none
such guilty. But when you have a false identity, you're
really gonna have a hard time winning back the argument, honestly.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Which so hard. It's a fact that.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
If you have a false identity revealed at a group
dinner party, it's gonna be hard to turn that around.
And the way she handled that was a Honestly.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I'm fascinated by the angiek connection and how Monica was
like do you want to go there?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Angie? Do you want to go there?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
And you're like, Okay, Now I'm scared of all the
information that Monica has.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I'm scared too.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
And I will say another thing that's like something that's
like worthy of a mini series. Talk about people are
posting about White Lotus season five, okay or season three.
We're not going to get that until twenty twenty five.
So how about in the meantime, a limited The fodder
for a limited series is a hairdresser and a personal
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assistant infiltrate an entire Real Housewives franchise, exchange information, help
out a con woman in the process who's now in jail.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
How about this? How about this? I would like to
see this portrayed.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I would like to see Tanisha and Monica whatever her
unknown last name is portrayed. I would like to see
her mother talking about the GUACAMOLEI with flowers dessert. I
would like to see that portrayed as a series. Because
this is amazing stuff. It's honestly amazing stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It really I literally just watched Doctor Death on Peacock.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I watched all that.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
None of it was as riveting as like heart pounding
as this episode of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I mean, nothing really compares like to this. It's it's like.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
I mean, rip the Safti Brothers as of like literally today,
but like it was like a Safty Brothers thing. It
was like so high pressure, like what's gonna happen, What's
gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
But even the reveal of Heather saying I all of
this behavior felt so similar. And I defended Jenshaw, even
to the point of defending her with the fact that
she gave me.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
My black eye.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah, and I guess wow, Wow, I know, Lisa. The
whole time is like, don't talk, don't shut your mouth,
don't say anything you shouldn't have said anything, like the
comments are so funny. But and also Meredith being like
you were in my story. That was a really interesting detail.
She was in meredith story. And then they have footage
of her saying I've never been in here, and again
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it's like that's the kind of lying where it's like,
why are you even mentioning that you've never You don't
even you don't even have to say out loud, I've
never been here before. But yet you get you enjoy
saying I've never been here before, knowing it's not true.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Gary, That's when I got scared. That's when I was scared,
and I'm still scared. I'm really scared. I'm really scared.
You guys, why are people always trying to.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Hurt of No, it's it's so amazing, But yeah, to
your point, like I feel like, yes, Monica, Like it's
kind of scary how fast Monica slips into like this deep, cutting,
insulting anger where she's like, you're a leathery faced horror,
what about the pay the I R s?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
How about you're a Donald Trump fan? How about okay, Heather.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
But you know, it was amazing that she just kind
of like held her composure and walked away.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
She really didn't lose her shit.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
It given the grand scheme of things, how people have
lost their shit in the past, she really didn't lose
her shit.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
True.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
She walked away, and then we got this post We
got kind of a raquel in vander Pump Rules esque
post op prologue where she's like, well, that's not even
half the truth.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I'm going to tell the full story, and then it's
a trailer for the reunion. Not even gossip Girl could
stay gossip Girl forever. I know.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
That's the thing too, where it's like I kind of
felt like that about her with her kids this whole season.
It's like she acts like a kid, like her daughter
takes care of her, clearly needs alan On, Like imagine
your mom is like imagine your mom saying your mother
saying gossip Girl even couldn't say gossip Girl for.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
A long and now that's what I would be scared.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
I would say, well, it's gonna happen, and you're picking
up your little sister from school.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Like the daughter is literally fifteen years old, driving eight
kids in the backseat, and her mom is like reading
book three of the Gossip Girl series and being like
this is actually me. I'm Dan Humphrey because I relate
to this book, And you're like, Mom, can you actually
just like get groceries so I don't have to spend
my allowance every week on like can.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
You not sleep with my uncle lunchable? Yeah? So that
but all that, like is that true now?
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Like remember at the beginning of the Bermuda trip, she's like,
I've never drank alcohol until recently.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
It's like, is that true? And then people are saying
she was in cahoots with her mom this whole time.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Maybe the mom you know thing was an act like
we don't know anything, and actually that's freeing, Like sometimes
when you know nothing, you're free.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Like right now, we know nothing and I'm free. We're free.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
But when the reunion part what happens, We're gonna be
beholden again to this information and we're gonna have to
choose our alliances and make really were in decisions for
going into the next season.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
It's I'm so curious if Monica is going to be
on the next season, Like I'm now that they're in
a lawsuit, Like I can they be, Like will Heather
even film with her? It's just I'm so curious and
at the same time, nobody has had a turn like her.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I know.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
That's what was confusing, because I so on Danny's Pot,
Danny Pellegrino's podcast, like sorry, he's becoming such a major
character in this but like he has been a really
important voice of journalism for me this week and I've
been learning a lot from him. But he said this
was basically an on screen firing because when the whole
group says like we are against you, that means no
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one's gonna film with that person the next season. And
that's why the person like basically has to be fired
because it's like they won't be able to film any scenes.
But someone can always come back, as we're learning, you know,
Bethany came back. Listen, God, Vanda Prum stayed on Vanderpunk Rules.
You know, Denise Richards came back. Like, people can always
(43:04):
come back, So it's possible that like Monica will come back.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I think more will be revealed in the reunion, and
as we all know, Mary Cosby is still close with Monica.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
She called for people to pray for Monica. She said,
pray for Mary Cosby is still on the show. Amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
I'm like, whatever deal you struck where you basically don't work?
When she's going to McDonald's instead of going and filming
with them at a restaurant, I was like, what kind
of work situation have you managed to get here?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
This is amazing. This is an incredible arrangement. I know.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
It's also interesting too because Monica the whole thing, by
the way, side note of like you know, like this
is a business Meredith posting her earrings, like we all
know that Heather's going to release merch that says like
receides timeline proof like.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Right right screenshots.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Like Mary Cosby is so confusing of a per she
doesn't make, she doesn't make any attempt to stick to
everything Like that McDonald's thing could have been like a
moment for her to be like, oh now I'm gonna
make my like I'll rather have her a fish fillet
than go to the party or whatever shirts. But then
she goes on the after show with z A and
z Way's like I got e McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
And she's like, Okay, I don't want that.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
I only I only eat things that are like hot
and cold or whatever.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
And you're like, what, like, stick to one thing about you?
How about you don't? She won't even say it for
her son if she knows her son is married or not. Yeah,
but yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
When I saw her in the reunion trailer, I was like,
who oh right.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
I literally thought the same thing. I was like, oh
my god, she's still on the show, so listen. The
reunion's gonna be fucking interesting. I'm excited for the Southern
Charm reunion as well.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Okay, can I say something about Southern Charm please? First
of all, I've never loved a side storyline as much
as I love Rod and j Is it.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
JP or j T? JT?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Rod and JT's like romance is actually like my favorite.
I hate JT, but I love their romance. It's like
so funny to.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Me, where they're so delusional and so funny that they
think their main characters they're like.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
We're the good guys, and the good guys finished. I'm like,
have you guys not like read a piece of like book?
Since seven not read a piece of book.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I literally having Rod be like, yeah, there's something between
you and Taylor to j and JT being like it's
really hard and have knowing that Taylor is like disgusted
by this man probably or she's just like, yeah, I
should probably like JT, but I don't, and he's like
just follows.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Her around and he's like, Tonight's gonna be the night, man,
Tonight's really gonna be the night.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
And then he's like, as a divorced person, I'm like, what, Like,
why can't I get someone to propose? And the JT's
been married and unmarried in the time since Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
But uh, I know.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
But let me say this one thing about Southern Charm finale.
First of all, obviously I hate fucking Austin's got so
much and that like not enough can be said about that.
But the conversation between Taylor and Shep, Taylor is talking
to JT. He's saying, I actually am in love with you,
and she's like, oh, that's nice, thanks, And then Shep's like, Taylor,
(46:21):
can I talk.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
To you for a second. This is the problem with everything.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
People will watch that conversation and think Taylor sounds crazy
because Taylor is saying, well, I still think there's like
a chance for us and what and then like in
an act of desperation because shep is like, well you
have to let that go so that because I want
us to be able to support each other, like I
want us to be able to like talk, and she's like, well,
I want us to be romantic and he's like I don't.
(46:47):
And then she's like, well, what if I wanted to
date Austin And he's like I wouldn't even care. Basically,
so people are gonna watch that and think she sounds crazy. Okay,
I have been in her position, And meanwhile it's like
why does he want to be in conversation with her?
He's like, well, I can't even like DM you or
like say hey, like that would be too upseting for you,
and she's like yeah, I think it will, like fucking yeah.
(47:09):
And at one point she says like I'm just confused,
like I don't know what you want. It's like, right,
stop talking to her. Then you can't be so upset
that she still has feelings for you or still thinks
there's something and still talk to her still flirt with
her by the way the editors, She's like, things have
been going actually well between Shepindi, and it's like flashback
to him being like.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Taylor, take a drink, Taylor like fuck you haha.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
And she's like, we've actually been getting along. But it's like,
of course she's delusional because he's letting her hold on
to like these little problems of delusion. And I've been
in that position as I've talked about in this podcast,
where it's like breaking up with someone and then they
want me as men do. They want to be friends.
They want you to still like their Instagram stories so
they can feel like, oh, I don't have anything like
I don't know because they don't know how.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
To process their feelings.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
They would rather like have some baseline of like support
from every woman in existence than think one woman out
there thinks negatively of them, and you.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Should take care of their feelings even while they're like
shitting on you.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Shep is the one.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Who is weird in that conversation. You don't need to
DM your ex girlfriend, you don't need her to support you.
Find somebody else to support and talk to you.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
I completely agree, and I have a lot of sympathy
for Taylor. I have so much more sympathy for Taylor
than I did for Raquel. Yes, what Raquel did was
like someone who clearly is sick and like has some
love addiction issues.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
And just needs you know, law.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Law kind of was like you need male attention and
you're gonna have a breakdown this way, and like called it.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
I think Taylor is just heartbroken and is trying to
stay in contact with someone that she is in love with, Yes,
and this was her way of doing it.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
I feel for Olivia too.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
I don't think Taylor is a good friend because I
think to let that sickness override your friendship and such
a degree is not okay. But I also understand where
she's coming from, and I feel bad for her, but
I still don't think it justifies anything. But it's like, yeah,
she clearly the only shit she gives about Austin is
to make shep jealous clearly.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
It's really sad too, because you are reminded that when
you are in love with someone, it almost this sounds crazy,
but their character doesn't matter. At a certain point, you
are just in love and the person you are just
attached like, this is someone you sleep in bed next
to you, This is someone.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Who you eat your meals with.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
This is your person and it doesn't matter how little
you respect them, if you actually put the facts in
front of you like it, they can still break your heart.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
It's really crazy. It's actually crazy how people will break
your heart and how they're always Why are they trying
to hurt us? Why are they? I'm so sick of
people trying to hurt us. I'm really sick of it. Honestly,
I really am. No, I'm think serious. I know for real, guys,
I'm s of people trying to hurt us.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
It's so funny because watching Salt Lake City and then
watching Beverly Hills, I was just like, yeah, of course
to reat is a caaren Like I was just like.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
This is it's just like this is child and spice
and everything nice.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
I just watched a woman's life get torn apart on
reality television, and well, mask that's true.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Like I mean, she's gonna have a whole new career
from this and and no offense. But like I don't
know who she was before and now I do.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
People were saying that like every Bravo account is now
gonna believe there's a path to like being on Andy's couch.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
I know, and it's made me sad to see how
many I'm familiar with. I'm like, yeah, oh that person, yeap,
oh okay, But you know, I think Monica will probably
go down in history for this.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
I agree. What did the bumper sticker say? Well behaved
women rarely make history? Can you imagine saying that sincerely?
Like posting that on your intema and being like.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
This New Year's Eve, I'll have to remember that, I'll
well behave women rarely make history?
Speaker 1 (51:09):
That sentence is even better this New Year's Eve.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
I'll just have to remember, unless I forget this New
Year's Eve, that well behaved women rarely make history.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I am so curious if I posted that, if half
of the who would understand that as a joke.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
But I'm I'm too scary. It's a little to post
a home for you.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
I do think that you have posted a little The
way you post is a little slight.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
It was too close to that. It's a little bit.
My god, that's more insulting. You were like, it's crazy
that I just said that.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
No, No, I just think you post a lot of
political stuff, so people with that in.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
True, oh, they'd be like, yeah, she's very.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
One day she's posting grabs back, she's posting Howard Stern
quotes about activism.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
I can't I'm not taking seriously nine one hellos this operator.
I'm not being taken seriously. But my friends, by the way,
I have the troll of this group. So maybe that's
why I feel for Monica. You also, you have just
been exposed, like you've just exposed yourself. I accidentally exposed myself.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
You know, like people have just found out who you are.
And so I'm sure like in some way you identify
like being in the public ays all of a sudden,
being in.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
The public eye as the person who runs.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Definitely Caroline Carolina's Instagram stories snark at.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Instagram story snark is me. I'm so sick of people
trying to hurt us.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
No, I'm sick of it too, and that's why I'm
gonna stop. That's why I personally am gonna stop hurting us.
That's my New Year's resolution is to stop hurting The
podcast is my new yeest resolution.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
What's yours to equipping a well behaved woman? Because they
rarely make history. To never forget that well behaved women
really make history. If you can't handle me, am I
worse than you, sure as hell don't deserve me at
my best. Marilyn Monrosa, I know that's right. I know
that's right. Okay, Well, until the next time.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I'm very hopeful that we will see more about Mauricio
and Kyle. I'm excited for the SLC reunion. I'm excited
for the Southern Charm reunion.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
When Shep says that he's still in love with.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Taylor and just leads her on even more, and we
will have more to bring you and Vanderpump Rules starts
in twenty five days, so you know our podcast long
going anywhere knock on wood. And that's two weeks, babe,
that's two EPs. Oh and I am having hand surgery
on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
I'm sorry next Friday, So all right, sorry, I really
a week from now. So everyone say your prayers for Mama,
love you, love you, Devan, prayers for you and monicaff.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
I involunted was a little love.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
I want true.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
It's true, true, SI's so romantic.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
Love me baby, don't leave me, hangin. I want true
Oh, I want.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello and welcome a true romance. This is Carolina Barlowe.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And this is Devin Larry.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
And let me just say that we don't have time
to dilly dally at all. There is so much that
happened this week and we don't have That's what we
normally do. I normally would make a joke about how
Carolina's hair is in a weird Grinch style cowlic on
top of her head, like al show from the Little Rascals,
(00:42):
But right now I don't have time to do that.
So like we got it. So first of all, let
me just say this. You know, I don't want to
be part of narratives. I don't want to be in
the public eye. I don't want listen I'm smiling.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
But do I like getting attention?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
No, I don't like getting attend I'm not that type
of person at all.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yet yet I did, you know?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
But yet I do monitor who views my Instagram stories
to a fault. You know, when one when the number
one seventy two goes up to one seventy three, I
take note of something like that my story views, especially
when I'm posting amazing you know, selfies, things that I'm
really proud of so this new Year I happened upon.
(01:28):
You know, my Twitter algorithm is mostly like I would
never have any idea what's going on in the world
with my Twitter algorithm, and that's how I prefer it.
Like I only get Housewives stuff and old reality show
footage and the like, and so I and like people
saying they're gonna, you know, die for Paul Mezcal and
(01:51):
Jeremi Allen.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
What that's my algorithm? So I saw this on New
Year's Day.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Of course, I see a screenshot from the iconic episode
of The Hill where that ends with Lauren calling Jason
crying saying Happy New Year, Jason. So I post that
on my story. Is just you know, a little nod
to one of my favorite reality shows. Just it's a
new year, let's take let's hold on to some nostalgia.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Not everything has to be new.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
We will never have a show like The Hills again,
so we we have to remember stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You have to learn from history so it doesn't repeat itself.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And so I post that, and you know, I'm checking
to see maybe one or two of my crushes might
have viewed one of my selfies that I posted. And
I'm seeing I'm like, wait, there's like five six hundred
views on my Instagram stories and I was like, that's weird.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You know that never happens.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
A little all made I got to shake you in
your boots and say, what's happening.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, So I just thought, I'm like, that's a little
bit weird.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And I look at the story views and I see
a few of them are like from accounts that say
something to do with the Bachelor, and you.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Know that's the thing star getting a little set when
there was a turn.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
So let me say this.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
So I've I've kind of alluded to it on the pod,
people have commented it on our reviews before. It is
a little weird. We talked about the Bachelor and Bachelor
Nation on the podcast. My ex boyfriend won the Bachelorette.
He became engaged to Tasha, and it is kind of
weird that I don't talk about that.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But to be honest, it's like, at the time.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
That it was happening, I didn't feel like comfortable doing
it and I didn't want to seem like I was
just like tagging on like oh and by the way,
that's my ex boyfriend whatever. And I also was in
a really like bad, controlling relationship at the time the
show came out, where the guy that I was dating
(03:44):
when the show came out was like weirdly jealous and
controlling about me talking about my ex being on the Bachelor,
which I.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Had no feelings by the time.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Now i'll say you know, I'll say his name even controversy, Zach.
By the time I was on the Bachelor, like I
had no feelings for him, really positive or negative. Like
I it had been so long since since we'd broken up,
I had I was in a new relationship. I had
already been in and gotten out of a whole other relationship,
Like my whole life had changed. I moved to LA
(04:17):
and back again, Like so much had happened that I
really didn't have feelings about him, Like watching him was weird.
It's weird to watch your ex boyfriend on a reality show,
as it would be weird to see anyone on a
reality show, But like it didn't bring up feelings of
like oh I miss him, or like oh, well, you
know what I mean. Like it was just kind of,
(04:38):
if anything, funny and like interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So the funniest part of you having that controlling boyfriend
at the time, who didn't like you bringing up the
Bachelor or the bachelorette as it was uh was that
he was like he said something once that was like, oh,
you always bring it up, and I wanted to be like, yeah,
it's a pretty big fucking deal though, like if you're
funny story, it's also crazy, Like I mean not crazy
(05:04):
in a bad way or a good way, it's just wild.
I still think it's like one of the crazier things
that's ever happened to us collectively as a group.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And I'm not even directly involved.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
By the way it was crazy and funny, like I
mean the way it happened, by the way it was
during COVID, it was actually a gift from God.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
It was like, this is true.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
We needed this, Like it was COVID hopeless despair, and
I saw, I literally saw my exes, like a photo
of my ex that looked like a like a professional
like almost like a school picture of him.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And my first thought.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Was like, oh my god, did he die, Like why
would someone post a picture like this of him randomly?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And it was actually his.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
His like one of his relatives that I didn't realize
was I was still following him she's like, I'm so
proud of Zach for being added to the cast of
the Bachelorette season whatever, and I was like, wait.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
No, no, no, no, no, this is not real.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And then I like sent it to someone I know
who is a big fan of the show, and then
she found all these Reddit posts and they were like
this guy is joining the cast and I was like,
oh my god, he's actually joining the cast.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
By the way, when we were dating, he had told
me that his sister and mom thought he should go
on the Bachelor, And by the way, I think and
we can leave this in or not, Carolina, but I
think you were the one who said like, I think
he's gonna win. Like, I think he's gonna win because
he has he's very good looking, and he has.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
A really crazy backstory.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So like we both talked about, like when he gets
to the one on one that's when he's going to
tell his story. And then she's gonna be like, oh
my god, I'm blown away by this hero's tale.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I will never forget the moment when I saw said headshot,
and I too, I had been going through a breakup.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Things weren't necessarily easy. The world, the country was shutting down.
It was a horror show. It was a fucking nightmare.
Sometime it was a tough time, and.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I held onto this like a tree branch as I
was getting pulled away by a storm. Yes, I needed
this in every part of my being. And so I
will never forget that moment, and I was I'm grateful
for said moment. But it's so true what you said,
Like I did not view Zach at all in a
(07:22):
bad way, and it was totally fine.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It was totally neutral.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It was more like I need to see what happens
because I know this person, okay.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And by the way, so yeah, so I did talk
about it a lot, and I think the story you're
referring to is like I did eventually get like kind
of sick of it because literally people that I went
to high school with that I don't speak to at all,
or like people I don't even barely know, were like
dming me being like.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Is this your ex boyfriend? Is this?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And then I was just kind of like all right,
like I don't want to talk about this with like
random people, like it just annoying. So I said that
in front of the guy I was dating when the
controlling my controlling X, which is not Zach by the way,
just want to be clear about that. But my controlling
X was like something along lines of like, oh, don't
(08:05):
pretend you don't love talking about it, And I was
like what, and he's like, you bring it up all
the time. I'm like, I don't bring it up. People
bring it up to me because they're seeing this person. Meanwhile,
he that ex like when he would name drop people
all the time that he like he had. He actually
bragged about the fact that he had like flirted with
(08:27):
Kaylee mcannaney or whatever, like Trump's like press person and you.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Can keep that to yourself. You can keep that to
yourself and who cares.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I'm not like, oh and wow, and you're bringing that
up like it's like whatever. But he couldn't deal with
it and it's like whatever. So anyway, so that happened.
I loved watching Zach on the show. In fact, I
want him to go on The Bachelom Paradise.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I would like that. We want we want to see
more of him, we want to see more and rooting
for him.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
We're rooting for him, and then so then whatever, flash
forward years later, but by now I've been in a
whole other dysfunctional relationship. Now I'm out of that relationship again.
Here I am, and I post this thing. Happy New Year, Jason.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So then I see the Bachelor things are viewing it.
Then I go to my message requests and literally I'm
getting things in my messages that were like, oh, well,
well she's gonna fucking get what she deserves in response
to the Lauren thing, and I'm like, this is confusing.
They're like, we hope they get what they deserve. We
hope that this is not gonna end. Well, I'm like, wait,
(09:31):
I'm not understanding anything. So I click on one of
the Bachelor like things that viewed My story had a
lot of followers.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So I because I am a brilliant mind, I think,
why don't I just go here? See what's here?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
So that never challenge me when it comes to the internet,
like when we when my rough thumbs, calloused fingers hit
that pad. I can do anything.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
We can do anything.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It's like, I mean, we have fat I was actually
thinking about this recently, like the journeys I've been on.
Do you remember, like there was this guy in la
that I match with on Hinge and we were going
to go on a date and I then I after
I said yes to the day and I instagram stocked
him and like discovered he had a child. And I'm
literally like years back, I'm like, okay, so the child
is six, so he's divorced, he was married to the wife.
(10:19):
And I go through this journey and I'm like, you
know what, I am woman enough at the age of
twenty six years old that I'm actually going to go
on this date with a man who has a child.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I don't care that he's divorced, Like I accept him
for who he is. And then he stood me up.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So's you're literally like, I am going to be a stepmomy.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I was like a good one at that. Yeah, I
can raise a child. I am twenty six years old.
That is the definition of being twenty six years old.
Think that actually thinking you can raise a child is
the definition of being twenty six years old when actually.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You don't even like waking up before ten am, but
you think you can raise a human being.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, And then by the time you're thirty, you're like, oh,
I don't know how to like send me one email
to forever twenty one about a return.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Okay, so.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I so I go to this account, so basically this
is what happened, and it is convoluted. I was obviously
like sending this around to like group chats, and a
lot of people were confused. So I posted a thing
of Lauren Conrad on the hill saying Happy New Year, Jason,
without knowing that a story had just unleashed itself onto
(11:24):
Bachelor Nation, which is that my ex boyfriend Zach is
now dating Caitlin Bristow of Bachelor Nation. This is drama
because Caitlin Bristow had recently broken up with a man
named Jason, who people, I guess think she might have
cheated on.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Also, and not only that, Caitlyn co.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Hosted The Bachelor with Tasha, who was engaged to Zach.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So this is drama.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I guess people are upset from what I understand now
through the help of many friends of the pod who
have come in to help explain this because we watched
The Bachelor. But I wouldn't say either of us is
like deep entrenched in the Nation. We have retrieved information.
Like I think people are upset because they feel like
they were upset about the way that Caitlin's relationship with
(12:12):
Jason ended, and they think she was in the wrong,
and now she's dating Zach and they're like, she doesn't
deserve him. Meanwhile, they're like, why is Zach dating Tasha's
co host? That's like too close to home. I think
that's the thing. And so they thought I posted Happy
New Year Jason as some sort of homage to like,
Jason and I are both struggling.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
The funniest part of that is that you were like,
I just like the hills, Like I just.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Miss this TV show.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I just missed the TV show, And like, I am
not like crying on New Year's about my ex boyfriend
from twenty seventeen, like that was seven years ago now,
And it's like Jason may very well be crying.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
It seems like they broke up. Broke up like relatively recently.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
That's fine, but I'm crying over a lot of things,
certainly not that. But anyway, it was really funny, and
I wish I had, you know, like more tea to spill,
but I think the topic of tea could in fact
lead us to the next spot. So this is the
(13:17):
first half way week. I'm obviously I'm in, I'm in,
you know, the public eye all of a sudden, people
are thank God.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
By the way, the relief. I posted this selfie this week.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I actually just added added it to my main grid
because I was like, this is like such a stunning photo.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
This is how like self centered I am.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Sick I am though, and like my body dys morphia
has reversed now as the result of like trauma therapy,
and now I have like too big of an ego,
I think. But I took a selfie in this person's
bathroom on New Year's who had a New Year's party,
and like I've actually thought multiple times, like why hasn't
he reached out to comment that that wasn't such an
amazing like like to say, like, wow, that was in
(13:56):
my bathroom, that picture, Like that's how good I think
the picture is.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
So it happened. It so happened that I had posted
that photo.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And I'm like, well, if if seven hundred people are
gonna see anything, I should be saying I'm happy for
them to see this, and but then this will be
my public statement. But by the way, the next picture
besides that was like a picture of a like a
Christmas decoration that I thought looked like my cat.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So it's like these people are like.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Oh my god, the tea, like, let's go to at
Devin Underscore a Hunter Underscore LERI account and it's.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Like, this looks like my cat.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
They're like okay, So anyway, So that's the first whirlwind,
and then we are brought to.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yet another paranormal universe, and that is.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Bermuda Triangle Dinner, the Bermuda Triangle Dinner. And by the way,
this episode's gonna come out after the first part of
the Reunion comes out, but so just know that we
we haven't seen the first part of the Reunion yet.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But I don't think it can beat the Bermuda Triangle episode.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Nothing literally, nothing ever will beat.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That the tension I felt in my body. First of all,
I tried to watch this the night it came out,
and I couldn't find it on Bravo. It was like
a moment of panic with direct TV. It's why I
probably will cancel Direct TV. So I have to delete Instagram,
delete Twitter. I've already seen the beautiful, the beautyful shots
(15:25):
the girls of finding out like this incredible news, like
the shot of Meredith with hair blowing over her face,
like I've seen I know that something's bound to happen.
I just don't know exactly what it is, and slowly
I can't help it gather some pieces together. Finally I
watch the episode. I rush home. I rush home to
(15:46):
watch this episode, and work was stressful and things were stressful,
but all I could think of was tonight everything's gonna
be Okay. I'm gonna go watch Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City and see what truly the nation is talking about. So,
of course, to anyone who hasn't seen it, fast forward
to the end of this episode where we say we
love each other.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Oh well, let me say where I would like to start,
and then tell me if you agree or.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Disagree, continue. I would like to start with the scene
in the perfume shop. Okay, so obviously like this.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
The episode starts with like that same dramatic Bravo thing
where they're like, look, what's gonna happen at the end,
like then like.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Rewind rewind rear hereiod are we don't know what's the
best version of them playing with time? Yes, But.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Leading into this I thought this is what I thought,
based on reading Twitter and not caring about spoilers, I
thought it was going to be revealed that Monica was
suing beauty lab and laser that's.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
What going around.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
So I'm thinking, all right, something's going to be going
on with Monica, so I'm paying extra attention to, you know,
the behavior of Heather specifically in Monica. And then before
the drama starts to take place about halfway through the
episode is when the fire is lit of like this
person being exposed on live television, which is like, I
(17:17):
like love nothing more than someone getting exposed. Like what
I've realized is like I don't really like true crime
so much as I like watching a liar get revealed.
So it's like, yeah, when a true crime documentary is
just like, you know, a murder case, it's like okay,
But when a liar is revealed or when people are
(17:38):
like I now realize this person was a liar, That's
what really tugs at my core wounds.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
This is true.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I completely identify with that feeling, and we'll get to it.
But I also think the way that Monica reacted to
being exposed was cinematic.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It was all jaw on the floor, like this couldn't
be happening better. I watched it, I think in the morning.
By the way, it's like to start your day. Was
saying like this, Well, I don't it's beyond comprehension. But
basically the first thing I noticed was they go to
(18:20):
this perfume store. It's really I really recommend Danny Pellegrino's
recap of this too, because also he pointed out that
they go to.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
This perfume store, and because.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Danny, when Danny Pellogrena was on our podcast, he pointed out, like,
the best thing about Bravo is like the stuff that
will just move past, Like we're like, yeah, okay, so
like Luanne went to prison, okay, or like Luanne was
dressed like a pirate and had sex with the pirate. Yeah,
moving on, Like that's not even the most important thing.
But this was one of those things where the perfume
person is like, so this fragrance was actually retrieved from
(18:52):
a shipwreck under the sea a million years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And Heather goes, yep, and that's my favorite fragrance. That
one's gonna end. It's like, what are you guys talking about?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
But okay, So then Heather suddenly realizes she says that
she doesn't have her wallet.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Can Monica.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Well, in part she says Angie, can, do you have
your credit card? Angie conveniently doesn't have her credit card,
and Monica then offers to pay please. I ask you
viewers to go back and watch Heather's facial expressions during
this scene. She's looking at the producers. She's looking suspicious.
I believe that she. I believe that. Heather, as she
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explains later, like knew some stuff was going on with Monica.
She said to Angie, I think Monica like doesn't have money,
Like like she basically teed Angie up without giving her
all the info. I think she was probably like, let's
make Monica look bad by like making her buy the
stuff for us, and then she wanted to maybe in
that moment try to like call Monica out if her.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Credit card didn't work or something.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
But it failed because her credit card did work, and
then they moved on. So this was the first moment
where I was like, something weird's going on. Heather is
looking really suspicious, acting weird. She knows something's up that
I'm like, can we please just not have to watch
anything more until we like get the real thing right?
But they're like riding on mope heads and it's like.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I know, I was like, come on, people, let's get
to the revelation please.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
And then Heather goes home again.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I think I think this wasn't planned on the producer's part,
but I do think Heather, this is my personal opinion,
I think she knew she was miked when she had
this phone call, and basically she's like, you guys.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Do not film me right now. It's her. Oh my god,
I'm trembling. It's her. And you're like, okay, so I agree.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I agree. I thought Heather. Heather is just one of
a really smart housewife. Whitney thinks Whitney wild Rose thinks
she's a smart housewife, but a lot of the pot
storing she does is kind of like bullshit. But Heather
really knows how. Heather is like Kyle Richard's level, knows
how to play this game.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Actually, by the way, there was another moment of like,
this is something we just brushed past as housewives yours,
which was before this all the conversation with Heather and Whitney,
where at the end of the makeup and Heather's like,
I'm not the crazy one.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You are, and but He's like, okay, ha ha, but
you're the crazy one.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And she's like, oh, cousin Whitney, like the most passive,
aggressive conversation that's ever been had among any people, and
then they.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Just cheer pasted it. She's like, I'm not crazy. Okay,
you are okay, you are okay.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Here literally, Whitney was screaming at her, saying that she
used her vagina and exploited her sexuality. I know, which,
I'm like, I don't know. Remember, she's like, you said that.
I went, like, you took a picture of me from
vagina to butthole. I head, there's like I never used
the word butthole.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
She said backside. I'm like, honestly, backside is worse. When
people say like rear end or like bottom or backside,
it like makes me think of like a clinical, like
sinister like thing that I don't know. Maybe this is
at me issue, but I'm like, I don't like when
it's it makes me think of a creepy adult when
someone says backside. Oh yeah, and then I'm like, I
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would rather someone say butthole. At least it's like that's
like a kid joking around, but so mature.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
That I immediately laugh.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Okay, so buttle is a kid joking around and background
as a sinister adult. Just so you guys don't say
that I agree, And that's a part of the Housewives
canon moving forward.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So I want to get to Heather waiting on the beach.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Okay, Heather waiting on the beach is like, please, can
someone paint a mural? I want a mural painted on
my bedroom wall of Heather waiting on the beach.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And I've never seen a country so united as when Whitney, Meredith,
and Lisa all come to her like and if again,
we're we're gonna just brush past the part that Lisa
was screaming on a yacht at Meredith like less than
twenty four hours beforehand.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yes, none of that matters, now, you know what?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's something something that's beautiful about the Housewives is actually
it reminds me of how when I was in college,
I locked myself in the bathroom at a house party
of these really cool seniors who owned a house and
I was a freshman, and I like locked myself in
their bathroom and passed out while throwing.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Up normally, which is really cool.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
And so then obviously like the ambulance had to come
and like it was really.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Embarrassing yeah, an that little dance. Then I'm like embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Next week, very same house, very same senior's house, a
guy passed out drunk shit on their couch, waw sleep
and the shit was smeared on their walls, and I immediately.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
A rush came over me.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I felt like, Okay, so nothing I did will ever
matter because somebody shit on their walls. So that's like
the Housewives universe is there's constantly someone shitting on the wall,
so that by the next week it's like, oh, it's
it doesn't matter that you conned I mean Beverly Hills
right now, is that's what's happening. It doesn't matter that
Erica might have known about twenty million dollars being conned
or whatever, because Denise and her daughter are on OnlyFans right,
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Duri is a Karen, So it's like, well, none of
that matters anymore. You can scam the elderly, you can
scam plane crash victims, you can shit on the wall even,
I mean people Ramona shit on the floor. It's like,
what do we know about that anymore? Do we even
talk about that?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I literally was just telling someone, Oh, Ramoni has a
problem with shitting on the floor, and they were like, what,
I know, it's like what I was like, I don't
have time to talk to you about that. Like I'm
literally just watching an old Roney episode where uh, lu
Anne and Leah are bonding over the fact that they
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both got arrested for assaulting a police officer. And I'm like,
I have never in my life met someone who has
arrested for assaulting a police officer, but yet here we are.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I mean, Caroline, I do think we probably have met somebody.
I mean, okay, but we don't have to talk about that.
So and by the way, girls a cab girls, by
the way a cab And by the way, I Luanne
did her peace by speaking to remember or no. She
(25:18):
had some sort of like glam day for like former prisoners,
and she was like, girls, I know, I remember just
what it was like.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And they're like, I have like no future and I
can't vote. Okay, So the Beach.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
When I rewatched The Beach, I realized, first of all,
I wonder now if Whitney knew, because Whitney came ready
to perform, but Lisa and Meredith seemed a little bit like.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Lisa, she almost okay, Okay, this is Lisa the whole time,
like Heather's being like everything Heather said, She's like, so
I looked into some information.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Lisa like okay, and she's like, and I found out
Monica the woman who we celebrate her birthday. Okay, and
then she's like it's not who she says. She's okay,
you're scaring me. Okay, you're gonna cry.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
You okay, cry, You're my favorite part.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You're gonna cry because Lisa can't is always on the
verge of tears too much like many housewives, So you're like,
Lisa is about to cry just at the thinking that
something God is going to happen.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
She's also this type of person like as has been
spoken about like Jenshaw and and Monica, I guess both
said that like Lisa would talk for so long if
they would like leave the phone and come back, and
Lisa like she's one of those people who has no regard,
Like it's extremely annoying when you're trying to talk to
someone and they keep going okay, okay, but she has
no regard, Like she's like, Okay, you're scaring me, Okay,
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you're crying. Okay, Well, what's going on Okay, what's going on?
And it's like, just let the other people talk. It's
really amazing. And I loved her performance in that moment.
And also I love Meredith the over dramatic, but Meredith.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Is like stunning. Meredith talking about why everyone is after
them was one of the days I'm so tired of
people hurting us. People try to hurt us. It's like, okay,
it was so great.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
She by the way, she posted this yesterday or today,
which I was like dying over.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
She posted a.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Picture of her on the mopads in Bermuda, which I
again like, it's like, I forgot that you even did that, Like,
why are you posting of that?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I guess she just liked her outpicaure. She was wearing
a blazer. She goes.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I gotta say, as much as I don't like driving,
driving the moped was much more enjoyable than the Bermuda
Triangle dinner. Although I am grateful that the truth has
finally come to light, heart, Heart.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
And I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
She also posted the beach picture and said a picture
is worth a thousand words, with a link to her earrings,
which were designed by her and you can shop them
from the photo.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Amazing, that's what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But I just I loved that victimhood narrative that everyone
is out to get them.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Also what I love is that when Heather reveals that
Monica is behind the count Reality Vanteese, just like there
was a million Bachelor accounts that were like looking at
your story, there's a million Bravo accounts, like, yeah, I
can't keep track of them, and I find I literally
found one the other day that I was like, Oh,
this will be a cool meme account. I love this,
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But you're like, these women pay so much attention to
what is posted about them, but of course they know
each account by name.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Also, like what I noticed about the screenshots, Reality Vantese
has like four thousand or like seven thousand, Like it
doesn't even have ten k followers, which is like the minimum,
I mean the sorry, but the Bachelor account that was
looking at my stories had like hundreds of thousands of
followers and this account had like very few thousand followers.
(29:02):
But also I was dying because the bio said like
tea on Real House of Salt Lake City or whatever,
and then it said black Lives Matter. I was like,
all right, Well, at least. I guess they're doing their part. No,
but it's so true. But you know what I loved
in this moment the reason. Okay, So Heather delivered every
word she was. I almost was like, did she get
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an acting coach? I know I was written, was delivered
with such power and she but it said. It made
me realize how often it's said on these shows she's
not who she says she is. She's fake, she's lying,
it's always said, but rarely is a full alternative identity.
She says, she's not who she says she is. She
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is reality Vonte's.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And they gasp as if she said she killed JFK.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Why heard us? I don't. No, it's like it's it's
so amazing, it's so amazing.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And I is another thing is and is her saying
and I want to confront her at dinner and I
need you all to back me up.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
So that is again a feeling like we feel connected
to these women. We're all now a part of this plan.
I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Well, let me say this also, like, so Heather's interesting
because for those of us who watched Real Housewives Ultimate
Girls Trip in Thailand, Heather in the same way that
Lisa vander Pump is a totally different identity on Beverly
Hills Housewives than she is on vander Pump Rules. Heather
was very like awkward and honestly a little bit embarrassing
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on Girls Trip, Like I almost felt like she was
my friend, Like I'm like, oh shit, like this is
my friend from Salt Lake and she's like embarrassing me
in front of Mary Saw on Alexia, like because she
was being so thirsty, and she was like, oh, I'm
just a fan, like I'm such a fan of poor show.
I can't believe I'm in the midst of Marisol And
it was like, all right, calm down, like you're so thirsty,
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just be normal, Like she was like the annoying friend
of yours that you bring to a sleepover and you're like,
can you just be normal?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Like right, sorry?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And so I know that she's very insecure and she
wants all these women to like her, So I think
there was like I think she was extremely excited to
have this moment where she knew, because of their own egos,
all these women would stand with her, like they all
would stand with her. So I think she was excited
about that. I honestly think that's why she was crying,
(31:33):
because she was so happy that she finally has a
reason for everyone to stand behind her.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
And I love Heather and I stand behind her. But
it's I'm just saying what I see. So Ben, we
get to the dinner, okay, So the interesting thing about
the dinner is that then two full different conversations are
had before we even get to this weird thing number one.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
And the conversations are initiated by Heather saying they're gonna
play a game with these godforsaken, fucking cursed ass dolls
like lollipop dolls, like you nice, the doll is gonna
brought she brought them back, she brought them with her,
and like they're gonna play with them again.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And I'm like, wait, I don't even need to be
Oh sorry, this is backwards.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
They start that we don't even get the beach scene
until we see the dolls, because first, because you know what,
if they had shown the dolls after we knew this information,
I would have lost my shit. But we see the dolls.
Were like another boring dinner with the dolls, and.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Then another like bullshit game that gets everyone screaming at
each other.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yes, and then they flash back and they say, this
is what really happened. But I will say that the
game was like, whatever doll is in the bowl in
front of you, you can find out a mystery about
that person. So whitness like, my mystery is so funny?
Why is Lisa able to be dramatic on a yacht?
(32:54):
And I'm not allowed to cry about my dead friend?
That's my mystery? And I'm like, what are we doing? Girl?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's like, now we can just move on, please.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And Meredith's mystery was why didn't Heather support me more
in the cave?
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And then finally Heather has Merediths doll.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
But she says I know enough. Okay, she says, I
know enough about Meredith. I want to know about Monica.
And that's what she says.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
My mystery is who is the real Monica?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
It's so crazy. This is so crazy to me, and
it is really crazy. It's the fact I said, and
it's not just me's casually saying it's crazy. It is
really crazy that Monica had multiple accounts at Beauty Lab
under different last names. It's crazy that Monica used to
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live a life as a blonde it's crazy. Like Unfortunately,
this is where my codependent sickness comes in. I don't
want to think of Monica as crazy because she has
four daughters. That makes me sad. That makes me sad
that they're raised by what who I now believed to
be a crazy person. And I want to believe that
she's this person she presented herself as is like this
(34:08):
mom who was just owning her shit, who had done
a lot of bad things. What was breaking the you know,
cycle of abuse? And was this amazing single more?
Speaker 3 (34:16):
As Hannah said, I mean, as Hannah, what am I saying?
As Heather's my friend Hannah texted me a second ago.
As Heather says, the way she presented herself a truth seeker.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
So the way Heather handled this at dinner was actually
incredible because I, knowing myself, wouldn't have been able to
hold back. I would have just started screaming. But Heather
is like, Monica, why did we trust you? Why did
we comli you?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Comly?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And Monica and I could feel Monica to start to
understand that things were not as they seemed in this moment,
and she's like, probably because I had the proof. I
had the receipts I had the screenshots I and Heather
goes and what about the truth, And Monica goes, oh, no,
(35:17):
that's what I meant.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I said that I have the proof. And then Heather
goes in.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
And the way Monica stares as Heather is yelling at
her about Monica being reality of Antie's, you know that
Monica is calmly realizing that she has been caught. I've
never seen a housewife like besides lul Anne, who had
got confronted a lot on Ronnie and would have to
just like kind of stay like cool while Bethany screamed
(35:47):
at her and said that she was a sicko for
leaving rehab for Cabaret. I've never seen a housewife just
take it the way Monica is just like nodding while
the wind blows. She does start yelling at Lisa, telling
her that she's like a leather face Donald Trump, Donald
Trump fan.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
She says, Donald Trump fan, which is fair. You know.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
It's like people are complicated and on the one hand,
like Monica. You know, on the one hand, Monica is
a liar and has fake identities and lied pathologically and
is an online cyberbully on the other hand, Lisa did
vote for Trump, and on the other hand, you know,
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all these other women did support jen Shaw, who scammed
the elderly.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And on the you know what I mean, It's like
there is a little.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Element to me of like everybody's guilty here, but none
such guilty. But when you have a false identity, you're
really gonna have a hard time winning back the argument, honestly.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Which so hard. It's a fact that.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
If you have a false identity revealed at a group
dinner party, it's gonna be hard to turn that around.
And the way she handled that was a Honestly.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I'm fascinated by the angiek connection and how Monica was
like do you want to go there?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Angie? Do you want to go there?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
And you're like, Okay, Now I'm scared of all the
information that Monica has.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I'm scared too.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
And I will say another thing that's like something that's
like worthy of a mini series. Talk about people are
posting about White Lotus season five, okay or season three.
We're not going to get that until twenty twenty five.
So how about in the meantime, a limited The fodder
for a limited series is a hairdresser and a personal
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assistant infiltrate an entire Real Housewives franchise, exchange information, help
out a con woman in the process who's now in jail.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
How about this? How about this? I would like to
see this portrayed.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I would like to see Tanisha and Monica whatever her
unknown last name is portrayed. I would like to see
her mother talking about the GUACAMOLEI with flowers dessert. I
would like to see that portrayed as a series. Because
this is amazing stuff. It's honestly amazing stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It really I literally just watched Doctor Death on Peacock.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I watched all that.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
None of it was as riveting as like heart pounding
as this episode of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I mean, nothing really compares like to this. It's it's like.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
I mean, rip the Safti Brothers as of like literally today,
but like it was like a Safty Brothers thing. It
was like so high pressure, like what's gonna happen, What's
gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
But even the reveal of Heather saying I all of
this behavior felt so similar. And I defended Jenshaw, even
to the point of defending her with the fact that
she gave me.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
My black eye.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah, and I guess wow, Wow, I know, Lisa. The
whole time is like, don't talk, don't shut your mouth,
don't say anything you shouldn't have said anything, like the
comments are so funny. But and also Meredith being like
you were in my story. That was a really interesting detail.
She was in meredith story. And then they have footage
of her saying I've never been in here, and again
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it's like that's the kind of lying where it's like,
why are you even mentioning that you've never You don't
even you don't even have to say out loud, I've
never been here before. But yet you get you enjoy
saying I've never been here before, knowing it's not true.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Gary, That's when I got scared. That's when I was scared,
and I'm still scared. I'm really scared. I'm really scared.
You guys, why are people always trying to.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Hurt of No, it's it's so amazing, But yeah, to
your point, like I feel like, yes, Monica, Like it's
kind of scary how fast Monica slips into like this deep, cutting,
insulting anger where she's like, you're a leathery faced horror,
what about the pay the I R s?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
How about you're a Donald Trump fan? How about okay, Heather.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
But you know, it was amazing that she just kind
of like held her composure and walked away.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
She really didn't lose her shit.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
It given the grand scheme of things, how people have
lost their shit in the past, she really didn't lose
her shit.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
True.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
She walked away, and then we got this post We
got kind of a raquel in vander Pump Rules esque
post op prologue where she's like, well, that's not even
half the truth.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I'm going to tell the full story, and then it's
a trailer for the reunion. Not even gossip Girl could
stay gossip Girl forever. I know.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
That's the thing too, where it's like I kind of
felt like that about her with her kids this whole season.
It's like she acts like a kid, like her daughter
takes care of her, clearly needs alan On, Like imagine
your mom is like imagine your mom saying your mother
saying gossip Girl even couldn't say gossip Girl for.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
A long and now that's what I would be scared.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
I would say, well, it's gonna happen, and you're picking
up your little sister from school.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Like the daughter is literally fifteen years old, driving eight
kids in the backseat, and her mom is like reading
book three of the Gossip Girl series and being like
this is actually me. I'm Dan Humphrey because I relate
to this book, And you're like, Mom, can you actually
just like get groceries so I don't have to spend
my allowance every week on like can.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
You not sleep with my uncle lunchable? Yeah? So that
but all that, like is that true now?
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Like remember at the beginning of the Bermuda trip, she's like,
I've never drank alcohol until recently.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
It's like, is that true? And then people are saying
she was in cahoots with her mom this whole time.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Maybe the mom you know thing was an act like
we don't know anything, and actually that's freeing, Like sometimes
when you know nothing, you're free.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Like right now, we know nothing and I'm free. We're free.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
But when the reunion part what happens, We're gonna be
beholden again to this information and we're gonna have to
choose our alliances and make really were in decisions for
going into the next season.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
It's I'm so curious if Monica is going to be
on the next season, Like I'm now that they're in
a lawsuit, Like I can they be, Like will Heather
even film with her? It's just I'm so curious and
at the same time, nobody has had a turn like her.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I know.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
That's what was confusing, because I so on Danny's Pot,
Danny Pellegrino's podcast, like sorry, he's becoming such a major
character in this but like he has been a really
important voice of journalism for me this week and I've
been learning a lot from him. But he said this
was basically an on screen firing because when the whole
group says like we are against you, that means no
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one's gonna film with that person the next season. And
that's why the person like basically has to be fired
because it's like they won't be able to film any scenes.
But someone can always come back, as we're learning, you know,
Bethany came back. Listen, God, Vanda Prum stayed on Vanderpunk Rules.
You know, Denise Richards came back. Like, people can always
(43:04):
come back, So it's possible that like Monica will come back.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I think more will be revealed in the reunion, and
as we all know, Mary Cosby is still close with Monica.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
She called for people to pray for Monica. She said,
pray for Mary Cosby is still on the show. Amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
I'm like, whatever deal you struck where you basically don't work?
When she's going to McDonald's instead of going and filming
with them at a restaurant, I was like, what kind
of work situation have you managed to get here?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
This is amazing. This is an incredible arrangement. I know.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
It's also interesting too because Monica the whole thing, by
the way, side note of like you know, like this
is a business Meredith posting her earrings, like we all
know that Heather's going to release merch that says like
receides timeline proof like.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Right right screenshots.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Like Mary Cosby is so confusing of a per she
doesn't make, she doesn't make any attempt to stick to
everything Like that McDonald's thing could have been like a
moment for her to be like, oh now I'm gonna
make my like I'll rather have her a fish fillet
than go to the party or whatever shirts. But then
she goes on the after show with z A and
z Way's like I got e McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
And she's like, Okay, I don't want that.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
I only I only eat things that are like hot
and cold or whatever.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
And you're like, what, like, stick to one thing about you?
How about you don't? She won't even say it for
her son if she knows her son is married or not. Yeah,
but yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
When I saw her in the reunion trailer, I was like,
who oh right.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
I literally thought the same thing. I was like, oh
my god, she's still on the show, so listen. The
reunion's gonna be fucking interesting. I'm excited for the Southern
Charm reunion as well.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Okay, can I say something about Southern Charm please? First
of all, I've never loved a side storyline as much
as I love Rod and j Is it.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
JP or j T? JT?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Rod and JT's like romance is actually like my favorite.
I hate JT, but I love their romance. It's like
so funny to.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Me, where they're so delusional and so funny that they
think their main characters they're like.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
We're the good guys, and the good guys finished. I'm like,
have you guys not like read a piece of like book?
Since seven not read a piece of book.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I literally having Rod be like, yeah, there's something between
you and Taylor to j and JT being like it's
really hard and have knowing that Taylor is like disgusted
by this man probably or she's just like, yeah, I
should probably like JT, but I don't, and he's like
just follows.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Her around and he's like, Tonight's gonna be the night, man,
Tonight's really gonna be the night.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
And then he's like, as a divorced person, I'm like, what, Like,
why can't I get someone to propose? And the JT's
been married and unmarried in the time since Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
But uh, I know.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
But let me say this one thing about Southern Charm finale.
First of all, obviously I hate fucking Austin's got so
much and that like not enough can be said about that.
But the conversation between Taylor and Shep, Taylor is talking
to JT. He's saying, I actually am in love with you,
and she's like, oh, that's nice, thanks, And then Shep's like, Taylor,
(46:21):
can I talk.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
To you for a second. This is the problem with everything.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
People will watch that conversation and think Taylor sounds crazy
because Taylor is saying, well, I still think there's like
a chance for us and what and then like in
an act of desperation because shep is like, well you
have to let that go so that because I want
us to be able to support each other, like I
want us to be able to like talk, and she's like, well,
I want us to be romantic and he's like I don't.
(46:47):
And then she's like, well, what if I wanted to
date Austin And he's like I wouldn't even care. Basically,
so people are gonna watch that and think she sounds crazy. Okay,
I have been in her position, And meanwhile it's like
why does he want to be in conversation with her?
He's like, well, I can't even like DM you or
like say hey, like that would be too upseting for you,
and she's like yeah, I think it will, like fucking yeah.
(47:09):
And at one point she says like I'm just confused,
like I don't know what you want. It's like, right,
stop talking to her. Then you can't be so upset
that she still has feelings for you or still thinks
there's something and still talk to her still flirt with
her by the way the editors, She's like, things have
been going actually well between Shepindi, and it's like flashback
to him being like.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Taylor, take a drink, Taylor like fuck you haha.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
And she's like, we've actually been getting along. But it's like,
of course she's delusional because he's letting her hold on
to like these little problems of delusion. And I've been
in that position as I've talked about in this podcast,
where it's like breaking up with someone and then they
want me as men do. They want to be friends.
They want you to still like their Instagram stories so
they can feel like, oh, I don't have anything like
I don't know because they don't know how.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
To process their feelings.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
They would rather like have some baseline of like support
from every woman in existence than think one woman out
there thinks negatively of them, and you.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Should take care of their feelings even while they're like
shitting on you.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Shep is the one.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Who is weird in that conversation. You don't need to
DM your ex girlfriend, you don't need her to support you.
Find somebody else to support and talk to you.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
I completely agree, and I have a lot of sympathy
for Taylor. I have so much more sympathy for Taylor
than I did for Raquel. Yes, what Raquel did was
like someone who clearly is sick and like has some
love addiction issues.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
And just needs you know, law.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Law kind of was like you need male attention and
you're gonna have a breakdown this way, and like called it.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
I think Taylor is just heartbroken and is trying to
stay in contact with someone that she is in love with, Yes,
and this was her way of doing it.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
I feel for Olivia too.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
I don't think Taylor is a good friend because I
think to let that sickness override your friendship and such
a degree is not okay. But I also understand where
she's coming from, and I feel bad for her, but
I still don't think it justifies anything. But it's like, yeah,
she clearly the only shit she gives about Austin is
to make shep jealous clearly.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
It's really sad too, because you are reminded that when
you are in love with someone, it almost this sounds crazy,
but their character doesn't matter. At a certain point, you
are just in love and the person you are just
attached like, this is someone you sleep in bed next
to you, This is someone.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Who you eat your meals with.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
This is your person and it doesn't matter how little
you respect them, if you actually put the facts in
front of you like it, they can still break your heart.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
It's really crazy. It's actually crazy how people will break
your heart and how they're always Why are they trying
to hurt us? Why are they? I'm so sick of
people trying to hurt us. I'm really sick of it. Honestly,
I really am. No, I'm think serious. I know for real, guys,
I'm s of people trying to hurt us.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
It's so funny because watching Salt Lake City and then
watching Beverly Hills, I was just like, yeah, of course
to reat is a caaren Like I was just like.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
This is it's just like this is child and spice
and everything nice.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
I just watched a woman's life get torn apart on
reality television, and well, mask that's true.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Like I mean, she's gonna have a whole new career
from this and and no offense. But like I don't
know who she was before and now I do.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
People were saying that like every Bravo account is now
gonna believe there's a path to like being on Andy's couch.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
I know, and it's made me sad to see how
many I'm familiar with. I'm like, yeah, oh that person, yeap,
oh okay, But you know, I think Monica will probably
go down in history for this.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
I agree. What did the bumper sticker say? Well behaved
women rarely make history? Can you imagine saying that sincerely?
Like posting that on your intema and being like.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
This New Year's Eve, I'll have to remember that, I'll
well behave women rarely make history?
Speaker 1 (51:09):
That sentence is even better this New Year's Eve.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
I'll just have to remember, unless I forget this New
Year's Eve, that well behaved women rarely make history.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I am so curious if I posted that, if half
of the who would understand that as a joke.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
But I'm I'm too scary. It's a little to post
a home for you.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
I do think that you have posted a little The
way you post is a little slight.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
It was too close to that. It's a little bit.
My god, that's more insulting. You were like, it's crazy
that I just said that.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
No, No, I just think you post a lot of
political stuff, so people with that in.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
True, oh, they'd be like, yeah, she's very.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
One day she's posting grabs back, she's posting Howard Stern
quotes about activism.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
I can't I'm not taking seriously nine one hellos this operator.
I'm not being taken seriously. But my friends, by the way,
I have the troll of this group. So maybe that's
why I feel for Monica. You also, you have just
been exposed, like you've just exposed yourself. I accidentally exposed myself.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
You know, like people have just found out who you are.
And so I'm sure like in some way you identify
like being in the public ays all of a sudden,
being in.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
The public eye as the person who runs.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Definitely Caroline Carolina's Instagram stories snark at.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Instagram story snark is me. I'm so sick of people
trying to hurt us.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
No, I'm sick of it too, and that's why I'm
gonna stop. That's why I personally am gonna stop hurting us.
That's my New Year's resolution is to stop hurting The
podcast is my new yeest resolution.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
What's yours to equipping a well behaved woman? Because they
rarely make history. To never forget that well behaved women
really make history. If you can't handle me, am I
worse than you, sure as hell don't deserve me at
my best. Marilyn Monrosa, I know that's right. I know
that's right. Okay, Well, until the next time.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I'm very hopeful that we will see more about Mauricio
and Kyle. I'm excited for the SLC reunion. I'm excited
for the Southern Charm reunion.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
When Shep says that he's still in love with.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Taylor and just leads her on even more, and we
will have more to bring you and Vanderpump Rules starts
in twenty five days, so you know our podcast long
going anywhere knock on wood. And that's two weeks, babe,
that's two EPs. Oh and I am having hand surgery
on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
I'm sorry next Friday, So all right, sorry, I really
a week from now. So everyone say your prayers for Mama,
love you, love you, Devan, prayers for you and monicaff.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
I involunted was a little love.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
I want true.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
It's true, true, SI's so romantic.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
Love me baby, don't leave me, hangin. I want true
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