April 13, 2023 • 45 mins
Carolina and Devin are in a “most depressed” competition as they discuss Tom Sandoval’s breakthrough interview on the Howie Mandel podcast (of all places) and then answer a listener question about how much porn is normal in a relationship. PLUS an update on the new season of Love is Blind!
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to True Romance. This is Carolina Barlow,
this is Devin Learry, and people, I'm fired up. Have
you ever heard me fired up before? Yes, you guys.
We rarely have breaking news on this podcast, but this
has been a chalk full week. I mean, I have
a couple of things. I'm just gonna say them out loud,
and we'll go through out one at a time. We
honestly can't cover all of this because it's a lot.
(00:39):
I have Taylor and Joe's breakup at the top of
my mind. Okay, two words, who cares? Who gives a fuck?
Does anyone have anything interesting to say about that relationship? No?
Moving on? Wait, are you serious? I feel like you
out of serious people. What has things to say about
this breakup? What do I have to say? The relationship
seems fake? Nothing's interesting about it? I don't care. That
(01:03):
is honestly the most worrying thing you've said in a while.
Why what do you? As I say, what's interesting? Name?
What's interesting about it? List it? Okay, what I think
is interesting? First of all, I want to say that
we are starting off an aggressive footing. Yeah, I set
them fired up. You're looking at a girl who listened
to Howie Mandel does stuff for the first time, and
(01:24):
I had to I had to listen to Howie Mandel's voice.
Tom Sandoval has been putting us all in really tough
predicaments lately, one being that I have to root for
Shana for pushing Rachel Levis. Another situation I did not
like was that I would have to watch footage of
Howie Mandel because that was the interview show that Sandoval
(01:45):
decided to go on. But to go back to Joe
and Taylor, I have a few things to say, one
of which is, siblings are dating. Those two looked like
cousins at the family funeral. Cousins at the family funeral.
They look like an evil brother and sister that Johnny
Tsunami competes against when he moves from surfing to the mountain.
(02:07):
I love that movie. I know it's good. We should
watch it later. So Joe and Taylor, besides the fact
they look like siblings, I don't what I'll say about Taylor.
Don't docs me, don't come after me. And I've said
this about other people too. I think it's interesting when
people have a type. She's clearly likes British actors or
DJ's as in Calvin Harris. I was listening to a
(02:28):
little bit of her Midnight's album, and you know, for instance,
Midnight Rain but Jeweled, there's a lot about a man
who really wants to get married or settled down, or
just make her a bride. And it seems like the
narrative was that that was Joe. But I also think
that Joe wasn't successful enough to be comfortable dating Taylor Swift. Okay,
(02:52):
Tom Hillston loves the limelight. You could see that guy
completely eating that up. I don't think favor though, Do
me a favor and convince me that Taylor Swift would
not give anything to walk down an aisle marriage Joe. Joe,
I'm just not that type of girl. I'm just not conventional.
(03:15):
Like Princess Gown. She wants missus Christmas Tree Farm. You're
not that type of girl. This is Christmas. But I
don't know. But then then the message is confused. But
I was being convinced by a listener of the pod
Kristen Noise that lavender Haze is all about her being
in between red the color that she associates with love,
(03:37):
and blue, the color of sad. In America. I get that,
and that she wanted to stay in this lavender haze
with him. He has Taylor's friend, She's like, okay, so listen,
Like you know, I think red means love and kind
of like har and I go okay, I get that.
I get that. Okay, and what else? You would be
(04:01):
the best person for her? Talk to you right now,
because you'd be like Joe, who gives a shit? Who
even is that guy Bowring? Call me when you have
a boyfriend who's done any of the following, compete in
a reality show, be a part of a scam, and
lie to you about it. Um buy a house without
(04:21):
telling you. Oh you know, those are the types of
problems I need. Yeah, those are all good songs. Potentially
stop speaking to when you move in with them, to
the point we eventually you just say like, okay, so
I guess I'm gonna be moving out bound out. I
guess Taylor, you what Joe Allwen from The Favorite wants
to marry you? Call me when you got real problems, bitch,
(04:43):
I have to openly talk shit about someone annoying on
this podcast? Who I m you not only other person
on this podcast? No, I wanted that wrong. I just
talked to about someone I saw someone. Excuse me, I
need to talk to it about someone. They're on this podcast,
they're one of the co hosts. They're in the zoom
right now, so I hope they don't hear me. Um,
(05:05):
I do have to say that there is a certain
person that we both have expressed annoyance with who Her
bio on her Instagram says feminist who loves men. Oh
that happit. Yeah, but I was like laughing, so I
was like, feminist who loves men, implying that like, yeah,
(05:26):
I'm not just like a feminist, I'm actually a feminist.
She doesn't want to castrate all men. So I'm also
a guy's girl. Now, trust me, I'm very guilty of
like the swaying. Like someone was telling me that that
m Rada Emily Radikowski got like backlash on her podcast
because I guess when she interviews someone, she like sways
(05:47):
to whatever they're saying. And I was like, I can't
say that, that wouldn't be like, yeah, I always say
if I for myself, like I have, UM, I don't
have enough course strength to not give it literally or
figurative literally or figuras like to not give into fight
or flight survival mode every single time I'm in a
social situation, Like when I'm socializing, it's like, all right,
(06:08):
who's the strongest, who's the weakest. Who do I need
to stand near? You know what I mean? Because I
don't just have like that air of confidence about myself.
That being said, I don't. This is what's the problem
with someone who puts feminists who loves men. We can
tell from your posts that you love male attention. Please
don't turn it into activism. Please, please don't try to
(06:30):
act with that activism when you're texting people's boyfriends, you're
flirting with people's boyfriends. Yep. Just please, But you know what,
where what does my please mean in this world? Nothing?
How about that? What am I going to get for that? Nothing?
To quote Katie Maloney and the Sneak preview for this
week's episode, I talked to both of them, tears in
(06:50):
my eyes, I say, please don't do this, and nothing,
Please don't do this. I talked to both them, tears
in my eyes. I'm gonna start saying that because it's
just like, yeah, I'm always on the virgin of tears
regardless and nothing and by the way I got Okay,
First of all, I feel like the lexa prose kicking
back in as we speak. I'm feeling energized. Um, it
might be rage. It might be like a lexa prose
(07:11):
hitting the lex of rose or the intense, absolute blood
boiling rage as a result of Howie Mandel and Tom Sandoval.
But I got shot on by a bird today. Oh
that's good luck, though, ain't it. Yes, the last time
it happened, I got a job that day. So I'm saying, listen, Universe,
you don't like me talking shit about feminists on the internet.
(07:32):
You don't like me saying fuck this person who likes men.
If you don't like these things, Universe, then throw me
a freaking bone, and maybe I'll be happy and then
I won't talk shit and I won't do damage. Like, okay,
you want me to be a good person. That's it
exactly how I've been feeling lately. I have been under
(07:52):
a depression that is almost comical, like I'm so close
to laughing at my depression. And I know that depression
recently has been your thing. So I do feel a
little guilty, like kind of making a thing. I need
to get over to day. I need to borrow that
shirt after a while, you know, you've been wearing it
every day. Take it so to sort of wrap the
depression scarf around myself I have. You know, Also, I've
(08:14):
been feeling blue, okay, sad like Taylor you know on
a tatoro, Yeah, lavender minus the red. And I've been
feeling so depressed, and I just realized I was like,
I just need a thing. I need a win, I
need a something like. Life just feels so hard right now.
I don't really know why. And I'm nearly embarrassed to
(08:35):
say this on a podcast. And it's just one of
those things where every little thing feels impossible to do,
which I recognize as depression. Yes, and I know I'm
gonna get through it. I'm gonna talk to my psychiatrist.
We're gonna probably do a little docy dough, a little
you know, filler up. My point is you'll be okay.
But let me tell you that the thing is not
(08:55):
going to fix it. You know, Yeah, I guess not,
but I don't know. But it's like bad, It's like
I'm sorry, No, I mean, if anything, I'm just I
have a new found sympathy for what you have been
going through depression wise, because I feel like it's so
easy to think of depression when you're not in it
as I like muscle through it, you know, and like,
(09:17):
especially if someone's been through it before, you want to
be like okay, but you like have to get out
of it and like go live your life and feeling
it again. I'm like, I literally was typing something today
trying to only use one hand, and I was like,
I guess I can use my other hand to help,
Like I don't have to do the absolute minimal work here. Yeah,
(09:40):
I know. It's like you barely even have the energy
to reach for another handful of chips type of thing
when you get into bed and you realize you need
a phone charger and you're like, I, my phone's going
to die tonight. Somebody's dying tonight, and it's my phone,
and it's my phone because I will be scrolling on
that until the second it dies and then I close
my eyes and fall asleep. But I think I just
(10:01):
want to say that because your lux pros hitting and
I'm happy for you. Listen, I'm just going back to
old faithful. I've tried all these new do dads. Old faithful.
I'm going back to the old Lexie if she did
me good in the past. I'm also doing a bus bar,
which I don't know what that's gonna do, but we'll
see throw it, throw it in, go on and throw
(10:22):
it in here. Well, I'm really curious to hear more
about the Tom Santoval appearance. Oh God, because I've only
heard clips here clips there. I'll say that La La,
(10:43):
even though her black scent that she uses sometimes is upsetting,
she also is someone who I believe is wise with words.
For instance TMZ. First of all, I love that every
cast of r VPR talks to TMZ when they stop
them on the street. There's no like they're like, Hi, yeah,
I think I've been high lately. But I know it's
like their therapist, it really is. They're like, hey, checking in,
(11:05):
so like this week's been tough. In the group posted
a picture of Raquel where she's wearing like her hoodie
and her glasses and a picture of Gypsy Rose played
by Joey King and so similar. But um, they're talking
to Lala and they're like, what do you think they're doing?
Keel and Tom She's like, I don't know what bottom
feeders do I'm an apex predator bitch, And I was like, yeah,
(11:29):
I I listen. I like Lauren from Utah. I like
her at her core, she's a good person, but when
she's doing the show of it all, it's tough, Like
when she's like trying to relate to James and she's like, listen,
you know you need to like reel it in, and
like a human being is a human being. When she's
crying with Brock, like I love Lauren, but when she's
(11:51):
being Laala with like the this bitch is in six
and sheels trying to tell me that I'm a bimbo,
It's like, Okay, sometimes I don't know. I still love her,
though I still I didn't say I genuinely believe she's
a good person. Tom Schwartz made an appearance and watch
What Happens Live, which was chaotic from the start. Thing
(12:13):
he does this he's wearing wrist weights and he's holding
his hands up to his ears saying that sometimes I've
been told that I touched my face when I'm talking,
So I put wrist weights on. And it's like who
told you that? Who? No, not? Who told you this
was going to be funny, is anyone with you right
now that was going to stop you before you got
on camera, and then basically just gives a bunch of
(12:34):
conflicting information about when Raquel and Tom started their fair,
his feelings about Raquel. It was all just such a mess,
and it reminded me why I've had trouble sometimes with
male friendships that if they were connected to a boyfriend,
was that like, wait, I thought I was your friend too.
Like he had Arianna in his bridal party. She wasn't
(12:56):
going to be a bridesmaid, so he made her a groomsman,
which would have been so triggering to me if I
were Katie. But you know, that was like low on
their list of all of their relationship problems. And you're
not going to even be like, I'm horrified for my friend.
She's going to survive this. She's going to do great.
You literally end the appearance by saying, and give Tom
Sandoval a hug if you see him. He's down. But
(13:18):
I'm sorry I'm saying this Soldiers to catch up our
listeners a little bit, but I want to hear what
you gathered about the situation from the podcast interview. There
were a lot of difficult things about being a young
woman working in late night comedy television in the early
(13:38):
middle excited to see how this gets back on track.
Continue And I know where you think of going with this,
but where I'm actually going with it is male boomer
humor is so unbearable. And it's the type of an
exactly I forgot that I was on how I Mendel
And an example would be I'm wearing ripped jeans again,
(13:58):
it's twenty twelve. Maybe I'm wearing ripped jeans. Would you
buy him like that? Would you? Would you fall on
your way here? Would you would hit buy a bike
on your way here? And being like m ha ha,
no like that? How amould you pay for you pay
for them like that? How about you pay for that?
It's like that kind of conversation. That kind of conversation
(14:19):
takes years off my life. That's conversationally people cancer. They've
given me cancer. And I don't know how Amandel is
like he keeps talking about I always think he's a
magician and I'm not saying that, like I feel like
he's like the host of like America's got talent or something.
But because he keeps talking about I'm in the reality world,
and I'm like, who are you? But you get on
(14:40):
the podcast I guess the premise of the podcast is
he hosts it with his daughter. So already I'm like,
oh Jesus fucking Christ, like I'm gonna hate this so much,
like I knew it. And then Tom comes on. Tom's
voice is immediately so so how we of course sets
it up as if as if this is novel or interesting.
He's like, okay, I have never seen Vanderbump rules. I
(15:02):
don't know. Okay, I do not watch the show. I
know nothing about this. It's like congratulation's howie. And then Jacqueline,
his daughter, is like, I know, Dad, Dad, I know.
I'll tell you. I'll tell you everything about it. And Jacqueline,
by the way, yes we're anti feminist who love men,
but we're also anti you helping men, which is per
(15:25):
not standing up to say, well at all. She's not
an ally. She's not an ally or a nemesis. She's
the silence of our friends. Yes, so they she is complicit.
She's silent, and that's violent. Okay, she's violent. So Tom
Sandoval comes on and basically his tone is a sigh
of victimhood. His tone is like hey guys. Yeah, Like
(15:51):
his tone is what Schwartz described like, yeah, I'm gonna
need a hug. Yeah, Like I'm not doing well. But
the first thing like how he's trying to like boost
him up. This is a this is a puff piece.
So right away I'm like, Okay, this is a puff piece.
Got it. I'm on the subway out loud saying this
is a puff piece. Everyone, you slow clap on the
subway with your headphones, and it bucked the puffiest piece
(16:17):
you could find. People are moving away from me to
the other subway cars. Um and how he is like, Tom,
I know you. We have mutual friends. He keeps talking
about someone named Kimmy. I don't know who that is.
He's like, you're friends with Kimmy, You're friends with Jason, Like,
we have mutual friends. You're an amazing guy. You got businesses.
You you came to me and pitched your business. What
(16:38):
was that makeup for men? And Tom dead serious, not
a hint of humor in his voice is like, Yep, yep,
that was the line for cosmetics for men. It's going amazing.
It's it's in targets and cvs. Is nationwide. It's basically
makeup for men. Yeah, it's makeup for men. And then
the daughter is like, well, why does it have to
(16:58):
be makeup for men? Like, couldn't it be makeup just
for people? And how he goes, oh, okay, woke, she's woke.
She's woke. Yes, and the energy Tom says, this is
a real exchange that happened. Again, took years off my life.
I could sue them. I could sue Howie Mandel does
stuff podcast for the years. Take it off my life
because of the cancer I'm gonna get from this. But
(17:19):
then Tom says, well, it's actually four men. It was
designed to match the pH levels of men's skin. Thank you.
Howie Mandel says, oh, oh, it's about the pH. My
pH is bigger than your pH. Does the size of
your pH really matter? And I'm walk into a river? Sorry,
I actually throw my phone away. I stopped talking to
(17:41):
all humans. I quit the industry. I go to Malibu
and just leave my car, leave the keys in the
car and walking into the water, walk intough the water.
That's all you can all you can do, is Virginia
Wolf in this situation, because it's really so it's so upsetting.
So it becomes Tom talking about how hard everything was
(18:03):
for him. He was in a relationship where they weren't
having sex, which the one like, well, I guess there's
two things that Howie and his daughter Ever called Tom
out on. One was saying like, yeah, a lot of
relationships for after nine years end up this way where
you're not really having sex, and there's a way to
(18:26):
leave a relationship without cheating on your partner with one
of their closest friends staying at their house. Yeah. Yeah.
And the other thing they stood up to him was
what you mentioned, which is that Tom said Ariana has
a weird thing about her where she doesn't like apologies
as much as she likes action, and she says, if
(18:47):
you if you say sorry and then do the same
thing again, your apology doesn't count. And they were like,
well that's true. What. So he talks about how everything
was so hard for him, and that he says he
tried to break up with Arianna. He tried to break
up with her, they went to therapy. It was impossible
to break up with her because when he tried to,
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he asked like what she would she would do if
he broke up with her? And she said that she
would quit the show and she would leave this state
and like run away and never be seen again. And
he was like, that's so unfair. Like I watched that
clip where he was like, that is unfair. This is
when he becomes like the schoolyard bully version of himself
(19:30):
that I hate so much. I've seen so many times
on the show where he's like, dude, you have to
put it all out there. Like he's he's like, you know,
like Katie, I mean, yeah, Katie and Tom are getting
a divorce, like you have not been through personal trauma
on this show, as if like it's a rite of
passage and you're gonna quit. Obviously, He's just worried about
his own what that would mean for his own spot
(19:52):
on the show. Yeah, but you're like, that's insane. I know.
He blames her for that. He blames her for them
not having sex, and he said I saw that. He
was like, she scared me, Like I was scared. He
basically describes the whole affair as like he needed a
respite and Raquel was there to listen. Oh, by the way,
That's what leads into the apology bit. He talks about
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how him and Raquel would talk until six in the morning.
The first time that they stayed up talking till six
in the morning was the night of Guys Night that's
on the show. And he's like, and we just happened
to end up talking with my friend Brett until six
in the morning. Okay. Subtext is cocaine, obviously, and first
of all, and he's like, And then another night, a
(20:35):
few nights later, they stayed up until the sun came up.
And then that was the night they kissed for the
first time. This was before she in his wedding. By
the way, they kissed for the first time on his
porch to his house where Arianna was sleeping inside. And
then he talks about how I just felt like Arianna
was annoying me all the time. She would get annoying
me for stuff like, you know, if I said I
was going to come home and I ended up coming
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home later than I said I wouldn't, she would get upset.
I'm like, and you just said that some of those
times times you were staying up till six in the
morning with another girl and kissing her, Okay, so maybe
she had a reason to be upset. And then he's like,
but then when I apologize, she said, like, I actually
had to change my actions, like it's insane. So that's
the kind of stuff being said. And meanwhile, Howie keeps
in the world that is the kind of relationship arguments
(21:16):
women are getting into fights about. Yes, and it's just
so disturbing, and I'm distraught, But Howie Mandel keeps interrupting,
being like and by the way, I just don't get
all the hooplah. Who cares? Who cares? You're an adult,
She's an adult. This happened, Like it's okay, And you
know you're an upstanding guy and you have businesses and
(21:37):
you're friends with Kimmy. It's like, who the fuck is Kimmy?
Anyone who's friends with Howie Mandel and Tom Sandoval is
not an upstanding person. Sorry, Kimmy. Kimmy, if you're upstanding
and you want to prove that, show yourself like, yeah,
I'm half the pod. I'm happy to have you on
and hear like why you're normal. But it's just hard
to believe when you hang out with men who have
(21:57):
facial hair like these two. It's just really it's really
hard to understand. By the way, the seriousness with which
Tom Sandoval talks about his life. It's like, at least
at least there, I feel like the rest of the
cast has a little bit of sense of humor about themselves,
and it's like Sandoval takes himself so seriously. He's like,
(22:19):
you know, when I was touring with Tom Sandoval in
the most extras, you know, like Arianna kissed me because
she knew I couldn't push her away in front of fans,
like basically accusing her of like kissing him without consent.
It's insane, you know what, You're right, Carolina said. I
heard he lost his mind, and I was like, oh,
I wish he lost his mind. He was more just
being an asshole. But it's like, actually the stuff he
said was so bizarre. To try to skew this into
(22:43):
a thing where he's the victim. He said that he
felt like because they didn't have sex for so long,
he felt like a seventeen year old boy. Oh my god,
good night. It's like, yeah, you know who else thought
that way? Bill Clinton? He was taken to a place
of being a seven teen year old boy. And I
think he even said to Jacqueline, the host of the podcast,
(23:04):
like basically debasing her for no reason. He's like, I mean,
if you and I were to have sex, it would
have been it would have been daughter, Yes, how his daughter.
He's like, if we were to have had sex at
that time, it would have been like a seventeen year
old boy. It would have been like my second time
ever having sex. And then he's like, I mean, just
to say it is as an example, It's like, Oh,
you're disgusting this man's in the realm. How you want
(23:31):
to you want to pipe in or you want to
just keep saying you can't believe all the hoop blah.
You want to say the word hoop blah one more time?
How he come on? So that's the way it was.
And he says that, you know, he wanted Shorts to
be with Raquel because then they would all get to
hang out more. And I don't know, that is so weird.
(23:52):
I feel bad even for Raquel because it's like he's
basically saying like, yeah, I kissed Raquel, because it's like
I hadn't felt that way in so long. It's like
she's probably pissed because it makes it sound like she
was just an escape. Ariana's piss because it makes it
sound like an escape was needed from her. It's awful.
And then he was at for Raquel because what a
sad life. Wait, a sad person, I know. And now
there's rumors that she made out with Brock too. No,
(24:15):
it's like Raquel, there's also apps, and I know you
can get on Riah because I can get on there,
and I know you can get on any of these things.
Just go on the apps. Find any people. I mean,
this whole cast, this whole cast, they were so incestuous,
which was honestly the beauty of the show. Why they
find other people? That? Literally? Andy Kohen asked, why does
anyone hook up without any other like outside people? It
(24:39):
was like when the Kristen Dowdy and Jack's thing was happening,
it was like you couldn't go outside a little bit.
I mean, that's so funny. You bring up the Brock
thing though, because people were replaying clips of Brock like
spinning Raquel around, and I did think that was and
he said, like Raquel's on Fiah and she was going
(25:02):
after shorts and it was like, yeah, that is weird. Well,
it's just also like I'm like, Raquel is beautiful, but
like it takes me back to ten things I hate
about you? What was this? What was the character's named
Patrick something? Or what does she have bea flavored nipples
or something? What does she got via flavored nipples? That's
what it makes me think of, because it's like, what
(25:22):
is going on with Raquel that she's driving all these
men crazy. That being said, all these men are way
below her part. It's like, I don't know, just this
whole thing is nuts, and it is. I'm very excited
for this next episode. I'm excited for Katie and James
Kennedy to be united and hatred against Tom Schwartz and Raquel.
I can't believe the times. James Kennedy is both one
(25:44):
of the worst humans to ever live and also someone
I've had a crush on, and also someone that I'm
excited by on the right when he's not drinking, when
his head is clear, I love him. Yes, he just
is a funny person too. That is the worst part.
That is why he's so low, just because even when
he's being an awful person, he's being funny. It's like
when someone is mean to you and it hurts more
(26:05):
because they made it a funny, like they made it funny,
which happened to me a lot as a kid. Some
really talented people were mean to me. What were they
talented in? I think musicians, they're really cool funny. Oh
it wasn't one direction. Yeah, okay, now that all makes
a lot of sense. Now I get it. So wait now,
(26:26):
let me just say I forgot this one part. So
Tom Sandoval at the end of the interview, he says
that he's doing a lot better now because he stopped drinking,
and then he's like, you know, being sober these last
four days, Yes, a lot has A lot has come
to light for me, and I'm really seeing things differently now.
It's just like, okay, so what day is today? It's Tuesday,
(26:50):
so since Friday, like it's whatever. And I see how
much that cast drinks. It's actually insane, it's kill. They're
also means it to Killa Katie, and I'm like, just
because she can't hold it as well as like Sheena,
who drinks like she If you watch she does, Brittany
drink like fish and it goes nowhere like they don't. Yeah,
I mean, Brittany only got drunk when things were really real,
(27:12):
when her when she was cheated on by Jack's other
than that she doesn't really get drunk drunk, but she
chugs back drinks like and she has a husband who's
addicted to cocaine. I know, And I think Sanda mall was.
He was talking about how he had people who thought
were his friends who are like using his pain for
podcast fodder. Um Jack Taylor, I know. I'm like, Okay,
(27:35):
so Jack's Brittany and Peter. There's no one else. I mean,
I guess maybe he thought he was friends with Kristen,
but I don't. I don't know about that. I don't.
I don't think anyone really liked him anymore. I think
Ariana was sick of having to defend him all the time.
But well, one of the I wonder if you've seen
it of what's going to be Wednesday's episode when Quel,
(27:56):
when is Tom sam about going up to going literally
this voice, I can well Rick heel and are gonna goes? Tom? Stop,
you're being weird? Why do you keep saying Riquel's name?
And in her voice you can hear like, what's going
on with you? Why are you being weird about her?
And now we know the season the affair has happened
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that the affair has started since the Mandrean, So fucking
strap in, people, strap in. We're going to take a
quick commercial break, and then we are going to talk
an advice question from one of our listeners, as well
as talk a little bit more about the social experiment
love is Blind. Please stay tuned and welcome back to
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dru Romance. We got a great DM from one of
our listeners that I wanted to read because I thought
it was really interesting and complicated. Okay, hey, there there's
a topic I'm interested in hearing your opinions on because
I'm struggling with them currently in my relationship. My husband
goes on porn every night. His TikTok and instant algorithms
are all thirst traps. He frequents only fans and spends
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money on it, but he has never done anything physical.
What is the fine line between the natural feeling of
being attracted to other people and being unfaithful? Why do
men get to go to strip clubs with the boys
and do all these things and we are expected in
society that it's just part of life and boys will
be boys and the wife won't like This just becomes
a joke. So we have to choke it down even
though it causes us anguish or re jealous and insecure.
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Love you guys, and would love to hear thoughts. Okay,
love you too. I have unopinioned about this, which is
a couple of things, one of which is, when I'm
thinking about this stuff, I try to a remember that
everyone's sexual appetite is different. Like my sexual appetite when
I was in high school was like scaree. There's that
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we all have different sexual appetites. When anyone is doing
something different, even though we're a partnership and they're doing
something different or have a different feeling sexually or a
different appetite sexually, and we're not in sync that way,
it can feel a little disconcerting. I also think that
porn is something that's like very confused because there is
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such a stigma about porn and like who's watching porn?
These are all I'm like giving your husband's argument right now,
like there's there's reasons why this is totally fine. The
thing that I would flag for myself is like what
my sex life would look like if my partner is
doing all this stuff. So I'm i being taken care
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of because you know, like when you have an orgasm.
When you're watching porn, you get all this oxytocin, all
of the feelings you get from like physical intimacy, which
is why people want to do it and why you
want to do it, like when you're lonely and you know,
like I've read a Psychology Today article about how you
know they some people believe that how much you want
to do porn is an exact relation to how lonely,
(30:52):
how much you want to do porn? Why wait? Also,
just I'm sorry you admitting that you read a Psychology
Today go about how you use I was your research
for this podcast? Okay? Done? I was started reading this
article about how really lonely people, not me, but just you.
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I regret doing research for this podcast. So I was
going to say that I don't even believe that, Like
I have been in pop relationships where I know that
the other person's been watching porn. I've watched porn while
I was in a happy relationship, not frequently, not every day,
But I think it's like a good question and not
what aren't you doing or what are you doing wrong?
That's certainly not it. It's more like, how do you
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feel sexually in this relationship. Do you feel like you're
taking care of do you feel like your physical intimacy
is still there? Because then I think that's something different.
I think that is the problem that I don't I
would flag that rather than like, oh my god, my
husband's like obsessed with porn and like like a subscribe
to only fans. I have so many jealousy issues, and
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for what a reason? Porn doesn't bother me? Only because
as someone who's watch porn, I don't want any of it,
do you know what I mean? Like, I watch it,
but I'm not like, oh my god, I wish that
my boyfriend did X, Y and Z. Like, No, I
don't want to meet any of these people in real life.
I would die before I want to do any of this.
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This is just like what my body wants to see,
but I'm not. This is not what I'm longing for.
She doesn't actually want her boyfriend to dress up like
a teletubby and hit her with a broom. I don't
want it to be she doesn't want that. Listen, I
watch furries. I don't want to be a furry. I'll
watch them for hours every single night. I'll watch mister
(32:42):
Wolf's skin but I don't want to date mister Wolfskin.
I just want to exactly. So I don't think that
answers a question necessarily, but I think it's just one
of those things that what is really upsetting me about this.
Is it upsetting me that, like I feel embarrassed that
he's doing this. Do I not want to in my house?
You know? Like I know people who don't want porn
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in their house, which is one of those things where
you're like, yeah, you can ask for stuff like that,
but the word is ask, Like you someone you can't
have poorn not in your house too, though, because it's
like internet in your computer. Well that's true, but I mean,
like it could be I don't want you going to
porn instead of me when we're together at night. And
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if it's one of those things where it's like, well,
I'm not in the mood, then it could be like, yeah,
like maybe that's like a night where you can like
take care of yourself. But if I am in the mood,
like come to me, like I'm here and like that
can be a chance for us to connect. Both people's
needs have to be met outside of that to be met.
I think, yeah, I mean, I think of course, I
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have grown a lot to understand, like, of course all
men are going to be attracted to like butt picks
on Instagram. I do think it's funny when men that
I know like like em Rada's photos. It's so it's
like not going to Zach Braff would comment on all
of them. Yeah, it's like they're not gonna I mean
unless you're Zach Braff, where you're someone famous, like they're
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not gonna notice that you liked the pick. But everybody
who knows your girlfriend is gonna notice and think it's right.
So it's like who cares. It's also like the saddest
thing in the world. You're like, what did you What's
what's your thought process there? That being said, I have
liked and commented on the instagrams of some of the
worst reality show characters all the time, saying please hold on,
(34:29):
please hold on one more day, Katherine Dennis, please hold
on one more day, Christine from Sister Wives. So I'm
pathetic too, Well, yeah, you used to feel insecure about
that though, and now you're kind of like over it.
My personal work with my horrendous jealousy issues is to
understand that almost all of it is not personal to me. Yes,
(34:50):
that is a show important thing to know that porn
is not personal. Yeah, it's like your partner's desires are
not personal to you, but the most important thing is
that your needs are being met. So like your partner
can find other people attractive and it has nothing to
do with you. That's what I've had to learn. I've
also I would try to be the cool girlfriend ones
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and like encouraged my boyfriend at the time to go
out at a strip club when he was working, and
he did, and I got furious after, and it was like,
that's actually on me for not saying like, actually, I
prefer if you didn't. Yeah, especially if you encourage Yeah. No, no,
that is exactly And it was so my type of
like behavior and relationships where I'd be like, no, don't
(35:31):
worry about that, and then like I was totally fine
with him going. It was more that he like stuck
dollar bill on like the stripper's chest, and I was like, yeah,
I don't love that. But I was saying, like I
should have been clear, I should have cared less what
I thought I would look like and more about how
I felt and how I was going to feel, and
so it's like you can care about how you feel
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in terms of if he's going to strip club with friends,
like that's kind of weird. Unless it's for like a
bachelor party, you can be like, can we spend our
time another way? And it's kind of just in length
boundaries being okay with that person's reaction to it and
with your own reaction to it. If they don't agree
upon them like okay, they don't feel good about that,
(36:12):
they don't want to do that, like and now I
feel rejected, and now I feel hurt because they're not
agreeing with me on something that I am asking for,
And like that is, you know, a problem. It doesn't
have to be like a deal break or anything, but
it's something to be worked out for sure, and it's
a long conversation to have. But I mean, of course,
we hate the idea of like men being like the
wife's not gonna like this. I hate all of that.
(36:35):
I hate that culture in general. That's like, that's that
boomer mail humor. It's exactly the boomer mail humor. So
that's did you buy those genes? Like that is the
same as the wife's not gonna like this. The wife's
like that's gonna be me at Carolina's best rat party
the whole time. Girls. The wife is not going to
(36:55):
like this, right all right? Well back to a more
serious a subject is love blind. Yeah, I can people
fall in love sight unseen and just a touch base.
Not gonna go in death, don't have time, don't have space,
don't have a mental capacity. But I'm gonna say Chelsea
is a danger to herself and to others. She forced
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her soon to be fiance, who I also don't trust,
but she forced him to do a boudoir photo shoot
for their engagement because she said she always dreamed of that.
And they wore Calvin Klein underwear and like made out
on a bed while a man took pictures of them,
and she was like, this is just like something she
said she's always wanted, like a husband to be able
to do that with her, which is like really odd.
(37:39):
She also like dance. Okay, you know when girls dance
slutty with like a certain serious look on their faces,
it's like it's like the scariest thing you've ever seen it.
And it's Camille Grammar, you know what I mean. It's Camil.
It's like it's like the serious, earnest face while dancing
really slutty, like so I'm hot and I could very
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Katie Chap enough to kill a man exactly. So they
do the joint bachelorette party and bachelor parties where they're like,
we're all getting married tomorrow. So Chelsea's at the bachelrette
party already, something I'm not on board with. I'm never
sharing that party with anyone. I know. She is dancing
so slutty and like to the point where like her
dress is coming up, but she's also staring at the
(38:24):
camera like on eager, and she goes, everybody just needs
to be their self tonight, like whatever makes you you
just be that and be all out there, just be you.
And I was like, this is fucking terrifying. Meanwhile, everyone
else is just like sitting casually at cocktail tables and
like the music is like is like low, and She's like,
everybody just be you, just do your thing and just
be yourself. So that's like so upsetting. So everyone choosing
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their wedding dresses. I will say Micah, who is one
of the least likable characters this season, but I also
kind of like like her in the fact that she's
just like a basic bitch, and like, I don't know
what any of these people are Seattle people, by the way,
none of them are like outdoorsy whatsoever. And a lot
of them have like lip filler and stuff. I'm like,
I never saw that Seattle, but whatever. Anyway, So Mica
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her dress is stunning everyone else, I'm like, where do
these dresses come from? Like can we adjust as a society,
like commit to better wedding dresses in general? Like maybe
that's something we could work on, but I guess people
have other things in mind. It's tax season or whatever,
the presidential election. Yeah, not for me. I'm just kidding.
(39:31):
It is, and I'm gonna be killed. Well, I don't
even know how to do it. And that's going to
be another time topic for when I'm being arrested. The
other time talking that's a topic for when I'm being
arrested because future. Actually I don't know how to do that.
So the outfits are horrible. Oh I forgot about Okay,
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So first of all, I'll say a positive one of
the best things I've and a negative one of the
worst things ever. Positive. Brett and Tiffany beautiful couple, deeply
in love. As my mom said, like, if these two
don't marry each other, like we will all lose faith
in humanity. It's like one of those things where you're like, God,
damn it, like they better fucking say yes because they
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seem so in love. He surprised her. So they all
do like these little surprises, and a lot of them
are just like, oh, I put like rose petals on
the floor or something. Okay. Brett surprises Tiffany with candid photos,
stunning photos he personally took of her just being herself,
just smiling, and then he so she walks into a
(40:37):
room and there's like three stunning photos of herself framed.
So he gos into the room and he took pictures
of her when she was outgrocery shopping and she didn't
know that he was following her. No, but it was
really sweet and she's like crying and that's amazing. Okay,
So love them on one side. Okay. One more nice
thing was that Zach, who I made fun of because
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he talked so much about how his mom was a stripper.
He met Bliss, his family, his new fiance, and Bliss
his mom is like the sweetest, kindest, most amazing woman
who's ever like she's like crying tears of joy because
she's like, I trust Bliss and whatever decision Bliss makes,
like I'll be there and I'll celebrate her. And Zach
tells his story about he's like, my mom is a
(41:19):
stripper and like now she's dead and he's like, so
I don't have a mom and a short story and
Bliss his mom says, I'll be your mom. If you
marry my daughter, I'll be your mom. Okay, So chills
currently is building up. Okay, if someone says I'll be
your mom, like I would be like I have I'm good.
I'm watching down the street the first crazy person who's like,
(41:42):
I'm like, I'm getting in your man? Where are we?
Are we going to? Okay? So chills, um, that is sweet.
The worst thing to ever happen is you have Marshall,
who is perfecting everyway. He's so sweet, he's really good looking.
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Love him. He's starting to get ready for his fitting
to choose his suit for his wedding day. Who even
cares about the suit? Just skip that part. But Brett
gets a text from Tiffany that Jackie Marshall's fiance has
not shown up to her bridal fitting. And by the way,
Jackie has already accused Marshall of not being man enough
for her and started random fights with him for no reason.
(42:25):
So turns out Jackie is secretly on a date with
this other guy that she was also seeing in the
pods and she leaves Marshall. He comes and confronts her
and he's like, wait, so you like didn't show up
to your bridal thing, and she's like, yeah, I was
like on a date with I think it was Josh
is his name. She's like, yeah, I was on a
date with Josh, was like and he's like, wait, what
(42:45):
are you kidding? And she's like, sorry, I'm sorry, I
can't love you, like basically acting like and she's like,
you keep making me want to explain it, Like I
can't explain it. I'm sorry. I don't have to explain it.
It's giving it. She needs to get on Howie Mandel Dust.
So that's upset. We shouldn't keep giving a free advertisement
to how We Bendel's podcast. Please do not leave ours
(43:06):
to go to that. Please do not also, please do
not like tag anything I did say. His daughter is
violent and I don't mean that well said she was silent,
which which is violent violent? Listen, love is not blind?
How we Mendel is not doing stuff? And Tom Sandoval
is the most extra And yeah, I bought my jeans
(43:29):
like this. Yeah, I bought my jeans like this. Why
don't you buy a shirt to cover your stomach? Oh?
Who's that for? I'm just talking to like an older man.
Oh yeah, that's true. Um what else? That's all I
have to say. I think I've said a lot. I've
said and done a lot of important things on this
podcast today. Yeah, we've really covered major events more like
(43:52):
Devin and Carolina does Stuff. Yeah. Can you imagine if
that was the name of our podcast? No, I want
that you change the podcast title without me knowing about it. Okay, well,
catch us next time on Carolina and Devin does Stuff.
Oh notice how notice how I say Devin and Carolina
does stuff because it rolls out the tongue better, and
(44:12):
she changes it to Carolina and Devin does Stuff. It
all comes out to credit at the end of the day.
I'm all about credits. Okay, take it, take it. Then
it's yours, it's yours. I want to stop talking about Standoval,
but I don't think that's going to happen. And I
want to brace our listeners that we will try to
incorporate more things that are going on with our lives.
(44:33):
I just purchased in my life. I will let you know.
I purchased a couch specifically so people can come over
to watch Vanderpump Rules. That's why I bought it, because
I want people to come watch Vanderpump Rules. I bought
food to sustain myself so I could stay away during
Vanderpump Rules. I drink water so I can talk. I
(44:54):
can make saliva to talk about Vanderpump Rules. Oh my god,
it's it's a gift. It's a gift. I love you, Devin,
love you. Carol wanted love. I want Truth's true, true,
(45:23):
sits sorromanic. Love me, baby, don't leave me hanging. I
want truth
Hello, and welcome to True Romance. This is Carolina Barlow,
this is Devin Learry, and people, I'm fired up. Have
you ever heard me fired up before? Yes, you guys.
We rarely have breaking news on this podcast, but this
has been a chalk full week. I mean, I have
a couple of things. I'm just gonna say them out loud,
and we'll go through out one at a time. We
honestly can't cover all of this because it's a lot.
(00:39):
I have Taylor and Joe's breakup at the top of
my mind. Okay, two words, who cares? Who gives a fuck?
Does anyone have anything interesting to say about that relationship? No?
Moving on? Wait, are you serious? I feel like you
out of serious people. What has things to say about
this breakup? What do I have to say? The relationship
seems fake? Nothing's interesting about it? I don't care. That
(01:03):
is honestly the most worrying thing you've said in a while.
Why what do you? As I say, what's interesting? Name?
What's interesting about it? List it? Okay, what I think
is interesting? First of all, I want to say that
we are starting off an aggressive footing. Yeah, I set
them fired up. You're looking at a girl who listened
to Howie Mandel does stuff for the first time, and
(01:24):
I had to I had to listen to Howie Mandel's voice.
Tom Sandoval has been putting us all in really tough
predicaments lately, one being that I have to root for
Shana for pushing Rachel Levis. Another situation I did not
like was that I would have to watch footage of
Howie Mandel because that was the interview show that Sandoval
(01:45):
decided to go on. But to go back to Joe
and Taylor, I have a few things to say, one
of which is, siblings are dating. Those two looked like
cousins at the family funeral. Cousins at the family funeral.
They look like an evil brother and sister that Johnny
Tsunami competes against when he moves from surfing to the mountain.
(02:07):
I love that movie. I know it's good. We should
watch it later. So Joe and Taylor, besides the fact
they look like siblings, I don't what I'll say about Taylor.
Don't docs me, don't come after me. And I've said
this about other people too. I think it's interesting when
people have a type. She's clearly likes British actors or
DJ's as in Calvin Harris. I was listening to a
(02:28):
little bit of her Midnight's album, and you know, for instance,
Midnight Rain but Jeweled, there's a lot about a man
who really wants to get married or settled down, or
just make her a bride. And it seems like the
narrative was that that was Joe. But I also think
that Joe wasn't successful enough to be comfortable dating Taylor Swift. Okay,
(02:52):
Tom Hillston loves the limelight. You could see that guy
completely eating that up. I don't think favor though, Do
me a favor and convince me that Taylor Swift would
not give anything to walk down an aisle marriage Joe. Joe,
I'm just not that type of girl. I'm just not conventional.
(03:15):
Like Princess Gown. She wants missus Christmas Tree Farm. You're
not that type of girl. This is Christmas. But I
don't know. But then then the message is confused. But
I was being convinced by a listener of the pod
Kristen Noise that lavender Haze is all about her being
in between red the color that she associates with love,
(03:37):
and blue, the color of sad. In America. I get that,
and that she wanted to stay in this lavender haze
with him. He has Taylor's friend, She's like, okay, so listen,
Like you know, I think red means love and kind
of like har and I go okay, I get that.
I get that. Okay, and what else? You would be
(04:01):
the best person for her? Talk to you right now,
because you'd be like Joe, who gives a shit? Who
even is that guy Bowring? Call me when you have
a boyfriend who's done any of the following, compete in
a reality show, be a part of a scam, and
lie to you about it. Um buy a house without
(04:21):
telling you. Oh you know, those are the types of
problems I need. Yeah, those are all good songs. Potentially
stop speaking to when you move in with them, to
the point we eventually you just say like, okay, so
I guess I'm gonna be moving out bound out. I
guess Taylor, you what Joe Allwen from The Favorite wants
to marry you? Call me when you got real problems, bitch,
(04:43):
I have to openly talk shit about someone annoying on
this podcast? Who I m you not only other person
on this podcast? No, I wanted that wrong. I just
talked to about someone I saw someone. Excuse me, I
need to talk to it about someone. They're on this podcast,
they're one of the co hosts. They're in the zoom
right now, so I hope they don't hear me. Um,
(05:05):
I do have to say that there is a certain
person that we both have expressed annoyance with who Her
bio on her Instagram says feminist who loves men. Oh
that happit. Yeah, but I was like laughing, so I
was like, feminist who loves men, implying that like, yeah,
(05:26):
I'm not just like a feminist, I'm actually a feminist.
She doesn't want to castrate all men. So I'm also
a guy's girl. Now, trust me, I'm very guilty of
like the swaying. Like someone was telling me that that
m Rada Emily Radikowski got like backlash on her podcast
because I guess when she interviews someone, she like sways
(05:47):
to whatever they're saying. And I was like, I can't
say that, that wouldn't be like, yeah, I always say
if I for myself, like I have, UM, I don't
have enough course strength to not give it literally or
figurative literally or figuras like to not give into fight
or flight survival mode every single time I'm in a
social situation, Like when I'm socializing, it's like, all right,
(06:08):
who's the strongest, who's the weakest. Who do I need
to stand near? You know what I mean? Because I
don't just have like that air of confidence about myself.
That being said, I don't. This is what's the problem
with someone who puts feminists who loves men. We can
tell from your posts that you love male attention. Please
don't turn it into activism. Please, please don't try to
(06:30):
act with that activism when you're texting people's boyfriends, you're
flirting with people's boyfriends. Yep. Just please, But you know what,
where what does my please mean in this world? Nothing?
How about that? What am I going to get for that? Nothing?
To quote Katie Maloney and the Sneak preview for this
week's episode, I talked to both of them, tears in
(06:50):
my eyes, I say, please don't do this, and nothing,
Please don't do this. I talked to both them, tears
in my eyes. I'm gonna start saying that because it's
just like, yeah, I'm always on the virgin of tears
regardless and nothing and by the way I got Okay,
First of all, I feel like the lexa prose kicking
back in as we speak. I'm feeling energized. Um, it
might be rage. It might be like a lexa prose
(07:11):
hitting the lex of rose or the intense, absolute blood
boiling rage as a result of Howie Mandel and Tom Sandoval.
But I got shot on by a bird today. Oh
that's good luck, though, ain't it. Yes, the last time
it happened, I got a job that day. So I'm saying, listen, Universe,
you don't like me talking shit about feminists on the internet.
(07:32):
You don't like me saying fuck this person who likes men.
If you don't like these things, Universe, then throw me
a freaking bone, and maybe I'll be happy and then
I won't talk shit and I won't do damage. Like, okay,
you want me to be a good person. That's it
exactly how I've been feeling lately. I have been under
(07:52):
a depression that is almost comical, like I'm so close
to laughing at my depression. And I know that depression
recently has been your thing. So I do feel a
little guilty, like kind of making a thing. I need
to get over to day. I need to borrow that
shirt after a while, you know, you've been wearing it
every day. Take it so to sort of wrap the
depression scarf around myself I have. You know, Also, I've
(08:14):
been feeling blue, okay, sad like Taylor you know on
a tatoro, Yeah, lavender minus the red. And I've been
feeling so depressed, and I just realized I was like,
I just need a thing. I need a win, I
need a something like. Life just feels so hard right now.
I don't really know why. And I'm nearly embarrassed to
(08:35):
say this on a podcast. And it's just one of
those things where every little thing feels impossible to do,
which I recognize as depression. Yes, and I know I'm
gonna get through it. I'm gonna talk to my psychiatrist.
We're gonna probably do a little docy dough, a little
you know, filler up. My point is you'll be okay.
But let me tell you that the thing is not
(08:55):
going to fix it. You know, Yeah, I guess not,
but I don't know. But it's like bad, It's like
I'm sorry, No, I mean, if anything, I'm just I
have a new found sympathy for what you have been
going through depression wise, because I feel like it's so
easy to think of depression when you're not in it
as I like muscle through it, you know, and like,
(09:17):
especially if someone's been through it before, you want to
be like okay, but you like have to get out
of it and like go live your life and feeling
it again. I'm like, I literally was typing something today
trying to only use one hand, and I was like,
I guess I can use my other hand to help,
Like I don't have to do the absolute minimal work here. Yeah,
(09:40):
I know. It's like you barely even have the energy
to reach for another handful of chips type of thing
when you get into bed and you realize you need
a phone charger and you're like, I, my phone's going
to die tonight. Somebody's dying tonight, and it's my phone,
and it's my phone because I will be scrolling on
that until the second it dies and then I close
my eyes and fall asleep. But I think I just
(10:01):
want to say that because your lux pros hitting and
I'm happy for you. Listen, I'm just going back to
old faithful. I've tried all these new do dads. Old faithful.
I'm going back to the old Lexie if she did
me good in the past. I'm also doing a bus bar,
which I don't know what that's gonna do, but we'll
see throw it, throw it in, go on and throw
(10:22):
it in here. Well, I'm really curious to hear more
about the Tom Santoval appearance. Oh God, because I've only
heard clips here clips there. I'll say that La La,
(10:43):
even though her black scent that she uses sometimes is upsetting,
she also is someone who I believe is wise with words.
For instance TMZ. First of all, I love that every
cast of r VPR talks to TMZ when they stop
them on the street. There's no like they're like, Hi, yeah,
I think I've been high lately. But I know it's
like their therapist, it really is. They're like, hey, checking in,
(11:05):
so like this week's been tough. In the group posted
a picture of Raquel where she's wearing like her hoodie
and her glasses and a picture of Gypsy Rose played
by Joey King and so similar. But um, they're talking
to Lala and they're like, what do you think they're doing?
Keel and Tom She's like, I don't know what bottom
feeders do I'm an apex predator bitch, And I was like, yeah,
(11:29):
I I listen. I like Lauren from Utah. I like
her at her core, she's a good person, but when
she's doing the show of it all, it's tough, Like
when she's like trying to relate to James and she's like, listen,
you know you need to like reel it in, and
like a human being is a human being. When she's
crying with Brock, like I love Lauren, but when she's
(11:51):
being Laala with like the this bitch is in six
and sheels trying to tell me that I'm a bimbo,
It's like, Okay, sometimes I don't know. I still love her,
though I still I didn't say I genuinely believe she's
a good person. Tom Schwartz made an appearance and watch
What Happens Live, which was chaotic from the start. Thing
(12:13):
he does this he's wearing wrist weights and he's holding
his hands up to his ears saying that sometimes I've
been told that I touched my face when I'm talking,
So I put wrist weights on. And it's like who
told you that? Who? No, not? Who told you this
was going to be funny, is anyone with you right
now that was going to stop you before you got
on camera, and then basically just gives a bunch of
(12:34):
conflicting information about when Raquel and Tom started their fair,
his feelings about Raquel. It was all just such a mess,
and it reminded me why I've had trouble sometimes with
male friendships that if they were connected to a boyfriend,
was that like, wait, I thought I was your friend too.
Like he had Arianna in his bridal party. She wasn't
(12:56):
going to be a bridesmaid, so he made her a groomsman,
which would have been so triggering to me if I
were Katie. But you know, that was like low on
their list of all of their relationship problems. And you're
not going to even be like, I'm horrified for my friend.
She's going to survive this. She's going to do great.
You literally end the appearance by saying, and give Tom
Sandoval a hug if you see him. He's down. But
(13:18):
I'm sorry I'm saying this Soldiers to catch up our
listeners a little bit, but I want to hear what
you gathered about the situation from the podcast interview. There
were a lot of difficult things about being a young
woman working in late night comedy television in the early
(13:38):
middle excited to see how this gets back on track.
Continue And I know where you think of going with this,
but where I'm actually going with it is male boomer
humor is so unbearable. And it's the type of an
exactly I forgot that I was on how I Mendel
And an example would be I'm wearing ripped jeans again,
(13:58):
it's twenty twelve. Maybe I'm wearing ripped jeans. Would you
buy him like that? Would you? Would you fall on
your way here? Would you would hit buy a bike
on your way here? And being like m ha ha,
no like that? How amould you pay for you pay
for them like that? How about you pay for that?
It's like that kind of conversation. That kind of conversation
(14:19):
takes years off my life. That's conversationally people cancer. They've
given me cancer. And I don't know how Amandel is
like he keeps talking about I always think he's a
magician and I'm not saying that, like I feel like
he's like the host of like America's got talent or something.
But because he keeps talking about I'm in the reality world,
and I'm like, who are you? But you get on
(14:40):
the podcast I guess the premise of the podcast is
he hosts it with his daughter. So already I'm like,
oh Jesus fucking Christ, like I'm gonna hate this so much,
like I knew it. And then Tom comes on. Tom's
voice is immediately so so how we of course sets
it up as if as if this is novel or interesting.
He's like, okay, I have never seen Vanderbump rules. I
(15:02):
don't know. Okay, I do not watch the show. I
know nothing about this. It's like congratulation's howie. And then Jacqueline,
his daughter, is like, I know, Dad, Dad, I know.
I'll tell you. I'll tell you everything about it. And Jacqueline,
by the way, yes we're anti feminist who love men,
but we're also anti you helping men, which is per
(15:25):
not standing up to say, well at all. She's not
an ally. She's not an ally or a nemesis. She's
the silence of our friends. Yes, so they she is complicit.
She's silent, and that's violent. Okay, she's violent. So Tom
Sandoval comes on and basically his tone is a sigh
of victimhood. His tone is like hey guys. Yeah, Like
(15:51):
his tone is what Schwartz described like, yeah, I'm gonna
need a hug. Yeah, Like I'm not doing well. But
the first thing like how he's trying to like boost
him up. This is a this is a puff piece.
So right away I'm like, Okay, this is a puff piece.
Got it. I'm on the subway out loud saying this
is a puff piece. Everyone, you slow clap on the
subway with your headphones, and it bucked the puffiest piece
(16:17):
you could find. People are moving away from me to
the other subway cars. Um and how he is like, Tom,
I know you. We have mutual friends. He keeps talking
about someone named Kimmy. I don't know who that is.
He's like, you're friends with Kimmy, You're friends with Jason, Like,
we have mutual friends. You're an amazing guy. You got businesses.
You you came to me and pitched your business. What
(16:38):
was that makeup for men? And Tom dead serious, not
a hint of humor in his voice is like, Yep, yep,
that was the line for cosmetics for men. It's going amazing.
It's it's in targets and cvs. Is nationwide. It's basically
makeup for men. Yeah, it's makeup for men. And then
the daughter is like, well, why does it have to
(16:58):
be makeup for men? Like, couldn't it be makeup just
for people? And how he goes, oh, okay, woke, she's woke.
She's woke. Yes, and the energy Tom says, this is
a real exchange that happened. Again, took years off my life.
I could sue them. I could sue Howie Mandel does
stuff podcast for the years. Take it off my life
because of the cancer I'm gonna get from this. But
(17:19):
then Tom says, well, it's actually four men. It was
designed to match the pH levels of men's skin. Thank you.
Howie Mandel says, oh, oh, it's about the pH. My
pH is bigger than your pH. Does the size of
your pH really matter? And I'm walk into a river? Sorry,
I actually throw my phone away. I stopped talking to
(17:41):
all humans. I quit the industry. I go to Malibu
and just leave my car, leave the keys in the
car and walking into the water, walk intough the water.
That's all you can all you can do, is Virginia
Wolf in this situation, because it's really so it's so upsetting.
So it becomes Tom talking about how hard everything was
(18:03):
for him. He was in a relationship where they weren't
having sex, which the one like, well, I guess there's
two things that Howie and his daughter Ever called Tom
out on. One was saying like, yeah, a lot of
relationships for after nine years end up this way where
you're not really having sex, and there's a way to
(18:26):
leave a relationship without cheating on your partner with one
of their closest friends staying at their house. Yeah. Yeah.
And the other thing they stood up to him was
what you mentioned, which is that Tom said Ariana has
a weird thing about her where she doesn't like apologies
as much as she likes action, and she says, if
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you if you say sorry and then do the same
thing again, your apology doesn't count. And they were like,
well that's true. What. So he talks about how everything
was so hard for him, and that he says he
tried to break up with Arianna. He tried to break
up with her, they went to therapy. It was impossible
to break up with her because when he tried to,
(19:09):
he asked like what she would she would do if
he broke up with her? And she said that she
would quit the show and she would leave this state
and like run away and never be seen again. And
he was like, that's so unfair. Like I watched that
clip where he was like, that is unfair. This is
when he becomes like the schoolyard bully version of himself
(19:30):
that I hate so much. I've seen so many times
on the show where he's like, dude, you have to
put it all out there. Like he's he's like, you know,
like Katie, I mean, yeah, Katie and Tom are getting
a divorce, like you have not been through personal trauma
on this show, as if like it's a rite of
passage and you're gonna quit. Obviously, He's just worried about
his own what that would mean for his own spot
(19:52):
on the show. Yeah, but you're like, that's insane. I know.
He blames her for that. He blames her for them
not having sex, and he said I saw that. He
was like, she scared me, Like I was scared. He
basically describes the whole affair as like he needed a
respite and Raquel was there to listen. Oh, by the way,
That's what leads into the apology bit. He talks about
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how him and Raquel would talk until six in the morning.
The first time that they stayed up talking till six
in the morning was the night of Guys Night that's
on the show. And he's like, and we just happened
to end up talking with my friend Brett until six
in the morning. Okay. Subtext is cocaine, obviously, and first
of all, and he's like, And then another night, a
(20:35):
few nights later, they stayed up until the sun came up.
And then that was the night they kissed for the
first time. This was before she in his wedding. By
the way, they kissed for the first time on his
porch to his house where Arianna was sleeping inside. And
then he talks about how I just felt like Arianna
was annoying me all the time. She would get annoying
me for stuff like, you know, if I said I
was going to come home and I ended up coming
(20:56):
home later than I said I wouldn't, she would get upset.
I'm like, and you just said that some of those
times times you were staying up till six in the
morning with another girl and kissing her, Okay, so maybe
she had a reason to be upset. And then he's like,
but then when I apologize, she said, like, I actually
had to change my actions, like it's insane. So that's
the kind of stuff being said. And meanwhile, Howie keeps
in the world that is the kind of relationship arguments
(21:16):
women are getting into fights about. Yes, and it's just
so disturbing, and I'm distraught, But Howie Mandel keeps interrupting,
being like and by the way, I just don't get
all the hooplah. Who cares? Who cares? You're an adult,
She's an adult. This happened, Like it's okay, And you
know you're an upstanding guy and you have businesses and
(21:37):
you're friends with Kimmy. It's like, who the fuck is Kimmy?
Anyone who's friends with Howie Mandel and Tom Sandoval is
not an upstanding person. Sorry, Kimmy. Kimmy, if you're upstanding
and you want to prove that, show yourself like, yeah,
I'm half the pod. I'm happy to have you on
and hear like why you're normal. But it's just hard
to believe when you hang out with men who have
(21:57):
facial hair like these two. It's just really it's really
hard to understand. By the way, the seriousness with which
Tom Sandoval talks about his life. It's like, at least
at least there, I feel like the rest of the
cast has a little bit of sense of humor about themselves,
and it's like Sandoval takes himself so seriously. He's like,
(22:19):
you know, when I was touring with Tom Sandoval in
the most extras, you know, like Arianna kissed me because
she knew I couldn't push her away in front of fans,
like basically accusing her of like kissing him without consent.
It's insane, you know what, You're right, Carolina said. I
heard he lost his mind, and I was like, oh,
I wish he lost his mind. He was more just
being an asshole. But it's like, actually the stuff he
said was so bizarre. To try to skew this into
(22:43):
a thing where he's the victim. He said that he
felt like because they didn't have sex for so long,
he felt like a seventeen year old boy. Oh my god,
good night. It's like, yeah, you know who else thought
that way? Bill Clinton? He was taken to a place
of being a seven teen year old boy. And I
think he even said to Jacqueline, the host of the podcast,
(23:04):
like basically debasing her for no reason. He's like, I mean,
if you and I were to have sex, it would
have been it would have been daughter, Yes, how his daughter.
He's like, if we were to have had sex at
that time, it would have been like a seventeen year
old boy. It would have been like my second time
ever having sex. And then he's like, I mean, just
to say it is as an example, It's like, Oh,
you're disgusting this man's in the realm. How you want
(23:31):
to you want to pipe in or you want to
just keep saying you can't believe all the hoop blah.
You want to say the word hoop blah one more time?
How he come on? So that's the way it was.
And he says that, you know, he wanted Shorts to
be with Raquel because then they would all get to
hang out more. And I don't know, that is so weird.
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I feel bad even for Raquel because it's like he's
basically saying like, yeah, I kissed Raquel, because it's like
I hadn't felt that way in so long. It's like
she's probably pissed because it makes it sound like she
was just an escape. Ariana's piss because it makes it
sound like an escape was needed from her. It's awful.
And then he was at for Raquel because what a
sad life. Wait, a sad person, I know. And now
there's rumors that she made out with Brock too. No,
(24:15):
it's like Raquel, there's also apps, and I know you
can get on Riah because I can get on there,
and I know you can get on any of these things.
Just go on the apps. Find any people. I mean,
this whole cast, this whole cast, they were so incestuous,
which was honestly the beauty of the show. Why they
find other people? That? Literally? Andy Kohen asked, why does
anyone hook up without any other like outside people? It
(24:39):
was like when the Kristen Dowdy and Jack's thing was happening,
it was like you couldn't go outside a little bit.
I mean, that's so funny. You bring up the Brock
thing though, because people were replaying clips of Brock like
spinning Raquel around, and I did think that was and
he said, like Raquel's on Fiah and she was going
(25:02):
after shorts and it was like, yeah, that is weird. Well,
it's just also like I'm like, Raquel is beautiful, but
like it takes me back to ten things I hate
about you? What was this? What was the character's named
Patrick something? Or what does she have bea flavored nipples
or something? What does she got via flavored nipples? That's
what it makes me think of, because it's like, what
(25:22):
is going on with Raquel that she's driving all these
men crazy. That being said, all these men are way
below her part. It's like, I don't know, just this
whole thing is nuts, and it is. I'm very excited
for this next episode. I'm excited for Katie and James
Kennedy to be united and hatred against Tom Schwartz and Raquel.
I can't believe the times. James Kennedy is both one
(25:44):
of the worst humans to ever live and also someone
I've had a crush on, and also someone that I'm
excited by on the right when he's not drinking, when
his head is clear, I love him. Yes, he just
is a funny person too. That is the worst part.
That is why he's so low, just because even when
he's being an awful person, he's being funny. It's like
when someone is mean to you and it hurts more
(26:05):
because they made it a funny, like they made it funny,
which happened to me a lot as a kid. Some
really talented people were mean to me. What were they
talented in? I think musicians, they're really cool funny. Oh
it wasn't one direction. Yeah, okay, now that all makes
a lot of sense. Now I get it. So wait now,
(26:26):
let me just say I forgot this one part. So
Tom Sandoval at the end of the interview, he says
that he's doing a lot better now because he stopped drinking,
and then he's like, you know, being sober these last
four days, Yes, a lot has A lot has come
to light for me, and I'm really seeing things differently now.
It's just like, okay, so what day is today? It's Tuesday,
(26:50):
so since Friday, like it's whatever. And I see how
much that cast drinks. It's actually insane, it's kill. They're
also means it to Killa Katie, and I'm like, just
because she can't hold it as well as like Sheena,
who drinks like she If you watch she does, Brittany
drink like fish and it goes nowhere like they don't. Yeah,
I mean, Brittany only got drunk when things were really real,
(27:12):
when her when she was cheated on by Jack's other
than that she doesn't really get drunk drunk, but she
chugs back drinks like and she has a husband who's
addicted to cocaine. I know, And I think Sanda mall was.
He was talking about how he had people who thought
were his friends who are like using his pain for
podcast fodder. Um Jack Taylor, I know. I'm like, Okay,
(27:35):
so Jack's Brittany and Peter. There's no one else. I mean,
I guess maybe he thought he was friends with Kristen,
but I don't. I don't know about that. I don't.
I don't think anyone really liked him anymore. I think
Ariana was sick of having to defend him all the time.
But well, one of the I wonder if you've seen
it of what's going to be Wednesday's episode when Quel,
(27:56):
when is Tom sam about going up to going literally
this voice, I can well Rick heel and are gonna goes? Tom? Stop,
you're being weird? Why do you keep saying Riquel's name?
And in her voice you can hear like, what's going
on with you? Why are you being weird about her?
And now we know the season the affair has happened
(28:16):
that the affair has started since the Mandrean, So fucking
strap in, people, strap in. We're going to take a
quick commercial break, and then we are going to talk
an advice question from one of our listeners, as well
as talk a little bit more about the social experiment
love is Blind. Please stay tuned and welcome back to
(28:45):
dru Romance. We got a great DM from one of
our listeners that I wanted to read because I thought
it was really interesting and complicated. Okay, hey, there there's
a topic I'm interested in hearing your opinions on because
I'm struggling with them currently in my relationship. My husband
goes on porn every night. His TikTok and instant algorithms
are all thirst traps. He frequents only fans and spends
(29:05):
money on it, but he has never done anything physical.
What is the fine line between the natural feeling of
being attracted to other people and being unfaithful? Why do
men get to go to strip clubs with the boys
and do all these things and we are expected in
society that it's just part of life and boys will
be boys and the wife won't like This just becomes
a joke. So we have to choke it down even
though it causes us anguish or re jealous and insecure.
(29:26):
Love you guys, and would love to hear thoughts. Okay,
love you too. I have unopinioned about this, which is
a couple of things, one of which is, when I'm
thinking about this stuff, I try to a remember that
everyone's sexual appetite is different. Like my sexual appetite when
I was in high school was like scaree. There's that
(29:48):
we all have different sexual appetites. When anyone is doing
something different, even though we're a partnership and they're doing
something different or have a different feeling sexually or a
different appetite sexually, and we're not in sync that way,
it can feel a little disconcerting. I also think that
porn is something that's like very confused because there is
(30:08):
such a stigma about porn and like who's watching porn?
These are all I'm like giving your husband's argument right now,
like there's there's reasons why this is totally fine. The
thing that I would flag for myself is like what
my sex life would look like if my partner is
doing all this stuff. So I'm i being taken care
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of because you know, like when you have an orgasm.
When you're watching porn, you get all this oxytocin, all
of the feelings you get from like physical intimacy, which
is why people want to do it and why you
want to do it, like when you're lonely and you know,
like I've read a Psychology Today article about how you
know they some people believe that how much you want
to do porn is an exact relation to how lonely,
(30:52):
how much you want to do porn? Why wait? Also,
just I'm sorry you admitting that you read a Psychology
Today go about how you use I was your research
for this podcast? Okay? Done? I was started reading this
article about how really lonely people, not me, but just you.
(31:17):
I regret doing research for this podcast. So I was
going to say that I don't even believe that, Like
I have been in pop relationships where I know that
the other person's been watching porn. I've watched porn while
I was in a happy relationship, not frequently, not every day,
But I think it's like a good question and not
what aren't you doing or what are you doing wrong?
That's certainly not it. It's more like, how do you
(31:38):
feel sexually in this relationship. Do you feel like you're
taking care of do you feel like your physical intimacy
is still there? Because then I think that's something different.
I think that is the problem that I don't I
would flag that rather than like, oh my god, my
husband's like obsessed with porn and like like a subscribe
to only fans. I have so many jealousy issues, and
(31:59):
for what a reason? Porn doesn't bother me? Only because
as someone who's watch porn, I don't want any of it,
do you know what I mean? Like, I watch it,
but I'm not like, oh my god, I wish that
my boyfriend did X, Y and Z. Like, No, I
don't want to meet any of these people in real life.
I would die before I want to do any of this.
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This is just like what my body wants to see,
but I'm not. This is not what I'm longing for.
She doesn't actually want her boyfriend to dress up like
a teletubby and hit her with a broom. I don't
want it to be she doesn't want that. Listen, I
watch furries. I don't want to be a furry. I'll
watch them for hours every single night. I'll watch mister
(32:42):
Wolf's skin but I don't want to date mister Wolfskin.
I just want to exactly. So I don't think that
answers a question necessarily, but I think it's just one
of those things that what is really upsetting me about this.
Is it upsetting me that, like I feel embarrassed that
he's doing this. Do I not want to in my house?
You know? Like I know people who don't want porn
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in their house, which is one of those things where
you're like, yeah, you can ask for stuff like that,
but the word is ask, Like you someone you can't
have poorn not in your house too, though, because it's
like internet in your computer. Well that's true, but I mean,
like it could be I don't want you going to
porn instead of me when we're together at night. And
(33:24):
if it's one of those things where it's like, well,
I'm not in the mood, then it could be like, yeah,
like maybe that's like a night where you can like
take care of yourself. But if I am in the mood,
like come to me, like I'm here and like that
can be a chance for us to connect. Both people's
needs have to be met outside of that to be met.
I think, yeah, I mean, I think of course, I
(33:46):
have grown a lot to understand, like, of course all
men are going to be attracted to like butt picks
on Instagram. I do think it's funny when men that
I know like like em Rada's photos. It's so it's
like not going to Zach Braff would comment on all
of them. Yeah, it's like they're not gonna I mean
unless you're Zach Braff, where you're someone famous, like they're
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not gonna notice that you liked the pick. But everybody
who knows your girlfriend is gonna notice and think it's right.
So it's like who cares. It's also like the saddest
thing in the world. You're like, what did you What's
what's your thought process there? That being said, I have
liked and commented on the instagrams of some of the
worst reality show characters all the time, saying please hold on,
(34:29):
please hold on one more day, Katherine Dennis, please hold
on one more day, Christine from Sister Wives. So I'm
pathetic too, Well, yeah, you used to feel insecure about
that though, and now you're kind of like over it.
My personal work with my horrendous jealousy issues is to
understand that almost all of it is not personal to me. Yes,
(34:50):
that is a show important thing to know that porn
is not personal. Yeah, it's like your partner's desires are
not personal to you, but the most important thing is
that your needs are being met. So like your partner
can find other people attractive and it has nothing to
do with you. That's what I've had to learn. I've
also I would try to be the cool girlfriend ones
(35:10):
and like encouraged my boyfriend at the time to go
out at a strip club when he was working, and
he did, and I got furious after, and it was like,
that's actually on me for not saying like, actually, I
prefer if you didn't. Yeah, especially if you encourage Yeah. No, no,
that is exactly And it was so my type of
like behavior and relationships where I'd be like, no, don't
(35:31):
worry about that, and then like I was totally fine
with him going. It was more that he like stuck
dollar bill on like the stripper's chest, and I was like, yeah,
I don't love that. But I was saying, like I
should have been clear, I should have cared less what
I thought I would look like and more about how
I felt and how I was going to feel, and
so it's like you can care about how you feel
(35:51):
in terms of if he's going to strip club with friends,
like that's kind of weird. Unless it's for like a
bachelor party, you can be like, can we spend our
time another way? And it's kind of just in length
boundaries being okay with that person's reaction to it and
with your own reaction to it. If they don't agree
upon them like okay, they don't feel good about that,
(36:12):
they don't want to do that, like and now I
feel rejected, and now I feel hurt because they're not
agreeing with me on something that I am asking for,
And like that is, you know, a problem. It doesn't
have to be like a deal break or anything, but
it's something to be worked out for sure, and it's
a long conversation to have. But I mean, of course,
we hate the idea of like men being like the
wife's not gonna like this. I hate all of that.
(36:35):
I hate that culture in general. That's like, that's that
boomer mail humor. It's exactly the boomer mail humor. So
that's did you buy those genes? Like that is the
same as the wife's not gonna like this. The wife's
like that's gonna be me at Carolina's best rat party
the whole time. Girls. The wife is not going to
(36:55):
like this, right all right? Well back to a more
serious a subject is love blind. Yeah, I can people
fall in love sight unseen and just a touch base.
Not gonna go in death, don't have time, don't have space,
don't have a mental capacity. But I'm gonna say Chelsea
is a danger to herself and to others. She forced
(37:18):
her soon to be fiance, who I also don't trust,
but she forced him to do a boudoir photo shoot
for their engagement because she said she always dreamed of that.
And they wore Calvin Klein underwear and like made out
on a bed while a man took pictures of them,
and she was like, this is just like something she
said she's always wanted, like a husband to be able
to do that with her, which is like really odd.
(37:39):
She also like dance. Okay, you know when girls dance
slutty with like a certain serious look on their faces,
it's like it's like the scariest thing you've ever seen it.
And it's Camille Grammar, you know what I mean. It's Camil.
It's like it's like the serious, earnest face while dancing
really slutty, like so I'm hot and I could very
(38:02):
Katie Chap enough to kill a man exactly. So they
do the joint bachelorette party and bachelor parties where they're like,
we're all getting married tomorrow. So Chelsea's at the bachelrette
party already, something I'm not on board with. I'm never
sharing that party with anyone. I know. She is dancing
so slutty and like to the point where like her
dress is coming up, but she's also staring at the
(38:24):
camera like on eager, and she goes, everybody just needs
to be their self tonight, like whatever makes you you
just be that and be all out there, just be you.
And I was like, this is fucking terrifying. Meanwhile, everyone
else is just like sitting casually at cocktail tables and
like the music is like is like low, and She's like,
everybody just be you, just do your thing and just
be yourself. So that's like so upsetting. So everyone choosing
(38:48):
their wedding dresses. I will say Micah, who is one
of the least likable characters this season, but I also
kind of like like her in the fact that she's
just like a basic bitch, and like, I don't know
what any of these people are Seattle people, by the way,
none of them are like outdoorsy whatsoever. And a lot
of them have like lip filler and stuff. I'm like,
I never saw that Seattle, but whatever. Anyway, So Mica
(39:11):
her dress is stunning everyone else, I'm like, where do
these dresses come from? Like can we adjust as a society,
like commit to better wedding dresses in general? Like maybe
that's something we could work on, but I guess people
have other things in mind. It's tax season or whatever,
the presidential election. Yeah, not for me. I'm just kidding.
(39:31):
It is, and I'm gonna be killed. Well, I don't
even know how to do it. And that's going to
be another time topic for when I'm being arrested. The
other time talking that's a topic for when I'm being
arrested because future. Actually I don't know how to do that.
So the outfits are horrible. Oh I forgot about Okay,
(39:55):
So first of all, I'll say a positive one of
the best things I've and a negative one of the
worst things ever. Positive. Brett and Tiffany beautiful couple, deeply
in love. As my mom said, like, if these two
don't marry each other, like we will all lose faith
in humanity. It's like one of those things where you're like, God,
damn it, like they better fucking say yes because they
(40:17):
seem so in love. He surprised her. So they all
do like these little surprises, and a lot of them
are just like, oh, I put like rose petals on
the floor or something. Okay. Brett surprises Tiffany with candid photos,
stunning photos he personally took of her just being herself,
just smiling, and then he so she walks into a
(40:37):
room and there's like three stunning photos of herself framed.
So he gos into the room and he took pictures
of her when she was outgrocery shopping and she didn't
know that he was following her. No, but it was
really sweet and she's like crying and that's amazing. Okay,
So love them on one side. Okay. One more nice
thing was that Zach, who I made fun of because
(40:58):
he talked so much about how his mom was a stripper.
He met Bliss, his family, his new fiance, and Bliss
his mom is like the sweetest, kindest, most amazing woman
who's ever like she's like crying tears of joy because
she's like, I trust Bliss and whatever decision Bliss makes,
like I'll be there and I'll celebrate her. And Zach
tells his story about he's like, my mom is a
(41:19):
stripper and like now she's dead and he's like, so
I don't have a mom and a short story and
Bliss his mom says, I'll be your mom. If you
marry my daughter, I'll be your mom. Okay, So chills
currently is building up. Okay, if someone says I'll be
your mom, like I would be like I have I'm good.
I'm watching down the street the first crazy person who's like,
(41:42):
I'm like, I'm getting in your man? Where are we?
Are we going to? Okay? So chills, um, that is sweet.
The worst thing to ever happen is you have Marshall,
who is perfecting everyway. He's so sweet, he's really good looking.
(42:03):
Love him. He's starting to get ready for his fitting
to choose his suit for his wedding day. Who even
cares about the suit? Just skip that part. But Brett
gets a text from Tiffany that Jackie Marshall's fiance has
not shown up to her bridal fitting. And by the way,
Jackie has already accused Marshall of not being man enough
for her and started random fights with him for no reason.
(42:25):
So turns out Jackie is secretly on a date with
this other guy that she was also seeing in the
pods and she leaves Marshall. He comes and confronts her
and he's like, wait, so you like didn't show up
to your bridal thing, and she's like, yeah, I was
like on a date with I think it was Josh
is his name. She's like, yeah, I was on a
date with Josh, was like and he's like, wait, what
(42:45):
are you kidding? And she's like, sorry, I'm sorry, I
can't love you, like basically acting like and she's like,
you keep making me want to explain it, Like I
can't explain it. I'm sorry. I don't have to explain it.
It's giving it. She needs to get on Howie Mandel Dust.
So that's upset. We shouldn't keep giving a free advertisement
to how We Bendel's podcast. Please do not leave ours
(43:06):
to go to that. Please do not also, please do
not like tag anything I did say. His daughter is
violent and I don't mean that well said she was silent,
which which is violent violent? Listen, love is not blind?
How we Mendel is not doing stuff? And Tom Sandoval
is the most extra And yeah, I bought my jeans
(43:29):
like this. Yeah, I bought my jeans like this. Why
don't you buy a shirt to cover your stomach? Oh?
Who's that for? I'm just talking to like an older man.
Oh yeah, that's true. Um what else? That's all I
have to say. I think I've said a lot. I've
said and done a lot of important things on this
podcast today. Yeah, we've really covered major events more like
(43:52):
Devin and Carolina does Stuff. Yeah. Can you imagine if
that was the name of our podcast? No, I want
that you change the podcast title without me knowing about it. Okay, well,
catch us next time on Carolina and Devin does Stuff.
Oh notice how notice how I say Devin and Carolina
does stuff because it rolls out the tongue better, and
(44:12):
she changes it to Carolina and Devin does Stuff. It
all comes out to credit at the end of the day.
I'm all about credits. Okay, take it, take it. Then
it's yours, it's yours. I want to stop talking about Standoval,
but I don't think that's going to happen. And I
want to brace our listeners that we will try to
incorporate more things that are going on with our lives.
(44:33):
I just purchased in my life. I will let you know.
I purchased a couch specifically so people can come over
to watch Vanderpump Rules. That's why I bought it, because
I want people to come watch Vanderpump Rules. I bought
food to sustain myself so I could stay away during
Vanderpump Rules. I drink water so I can talk. I
(44:54):
can make saliva to talk about Vanderpump Rules. Oh my god,
it's it's a gift. It's a gift. I love you, Devin,
love you. Carol wanted love. I want Truth's true, true,
(45:23):
sits sorromanic. Love me, baby, don't leave me hanging. I
want truth
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