Sex Work is Work (w/ Danica and Riley)

Devin and Carolina deal with some news-induced depression and are then joined by sex work advocates/podcasters Danica and Riley (50 Plus a Tip Podcast) to discuss their experiences in sex work. Danica and Riley share stories about everything from stigmatization and legislation to lap dance tips and the ideal first date (shopping in silence).

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to True Romance. This is Carolina Barlow
and this is Devin Leary. You guys, I already cried
to Devon right before we started recording. Um it was
a quick cry, maybe five or six tiers. Mid cry,
I thought, am I being a baby? Maybe I just
need to get a few of these puppers out? And um,

(00:39):
I think the news just makes me really sad. And
as someone's therapists put it, we're not supposed to process
the news like we do on our phones, just scrolling
and scrolling and greater and greater horrors a weight. I
think that we are all trying to tow that line
between being responsible citizens of planet Earth, knowing what's going on,

(01:03):
and being just inundated with traumatic headlines. I don't have
anything inspiring to say about that, but I do know
that I like this podcast. Why I wanted to do
this podcast was because, um, things like this always cheer
me up, and this interview with Danika and Riley was

(01:25):
such a fun conversation. I also just got home from
work where I was wearing a dress that I initially
didn't think needed a bra, and it turns out it did.
And I know that because every time I saw myself
in the mirror, I was slouching and my nipples were
pointing down to my shoes. So what did you do?

(01:51):
So I I sat, I sat up straight, and I
tried not to stare too hard, and I just kept
on thinking, is this what people think my boobs look
like in a bra? And maybe they'll buy it? But um,
in general, I looked like I had been nursing for
eight years. So what I wanted to say speaking of breasts,

(02:15):
I wanted to talk about breast, speaking of my breasts,
my body, These are my breasts, um I was. I
just want to say I'm clearly mature because I'm like
Chris snickering over here. Because Carolina said breast, this is
our pitch, die heart, we were like, we're gonna talk

(02:36):
about them. I also just want to say, before before
you get into the meaningful thing that Carolina starts crying,
this is one of my like closest friends. Notice I
said one of my closest, not my clot noticed that. No,

(02:57):
Carolina is actually my closest friend, and she could tests
best take that. Dana girls take that. Vassar girls on
a Century take that. No, guys don't take anything. There's
plenty of me to go around. Jeez, no, I'm kidding. Anyway,
my closest friend, Carolina is crying on the zoom. What
is my first thought in my deeply self centered, warped mind.

(03:22):
What did I text Carolina today? Did I text her?
Did I make her upset? It's all my fault. She's
upset at me. I texted her. I was kurt via text.
Because I was kurt via text, I was like sure,
which was past aggressive, and I don't wait. So they
say something that Devon does that's really funny. You will
say something like sure, I'll be like great, and then

(03:45):
later you'll text me and say, I'm so sorry. I
was so rude earlier. It's not okay for me to
be curt like that. And it's not not only am
I like it's fine, but I'm like, oh, Devon was
annoyed with earlier. She expressed it in this way that
I didn't into it. Yeah, um, okay, So walk that back.

(04:09):
I wasn't I was. I was sincerely saying sure, I
wasn't annoyed at all. No, I'm kidding, No, I'm just
like a really irritable person. Don't take it back. Devon's
parents made her drink coffee when she was ten years old.
They took they took me to get my first coffee.
One of my first coffees was a duncacino in the

(04:29):
car with my cousin Colleen, and she was like, Okay,
I'm about to open your world to something incredible and
I was like, yeah, great. Um, when I was in
middle school, I picture you both with like Boston Red
Sox hats on backwards and little child goatees. Yeah. I
was like twisting my goatee at twelve years old, and
I was like, can you put some caramel in my duncacino?

(04:50):
And can I get a Crala? No, I'm kidding anyway,
I'm self centered. Carolina was crying, oh. And then she
was like, I'm depressed about the news. And then I
was like, oh, so, I guess I'm a bad person
because I'm not depressed about the news today and like
what's wrong with me? But it reminded me of a
thing that my friend said that was really helpful over
the summer. And I was asking her about like being
obsessed with the news and doom scrolling through Twitter, and

(05:14):
she said that like, basically, although it's like so important
for all of us to be informed and do what
we can. She said quote any time I have an obsession,
it's usually not helpful. Like any time I'm reaching the
point where I'm obsessed with something, it's past the point
where I'm being helpful and it's to a point where
I'm being like, you know, harmful to myself. So that

(05:36):
was helpful for me in terms of like when I
feel myself getting into this thing of like just like
the staring, staring, staring, angst angst angst, you know, reposting, reposting, reposting,
I can start it off and be like, you know,
what can I do to you know, serve those around
me and for me? Like that's just how I think,

(05:58):
Like just how can I serve was around me? Like
what can I like as a citizen, what can I
walk out onto the street and do? Can I help
a pigeon with a broken wing? Can I Devin sends
out ten share attacks and apologize this. How many sure
text can I send? And then once I send them?
How many times can I reiterate that I'm I'm sorry.

(06:21):
I was annoyed. It wasn't personal, thinking about what can
I do? That's concrete and of service is the right
mindset to be in. And I think something I heard
at a rally once was a female rabbi. People said,
if you are feeling guilty about what's going on in

(06:43):
the world right now, there's nothing wrong with you. It
would be weird not to feel any guilt when you
look at some of the horrors that this world has
to offer people. So yes, sometimes you have to remind
yourself that, like, of course this is upsetting. Of course
this is upsetting. What can we do to be of
service and keep going throughout our day? And for today,

(07:04):
that was talking to Danika and Riley to amazing sex
workers and escorts and dancers from Canada. Danica wrote us
an email. We were really excited and when we started
to talk to them, what you'll hear is me immediately
going into their too cool for us and like sucking
up and getting so nervous because I just thought there

(07:26):
was so cool. I've talked about this conversation multiple times
since we had it. One of the things that I
wish we had recorded, but Danneck and I were talking
about it after we stopped, and it goes back to
breass is that I think I was still going on
about how I wish I could have been a stripper.
I loved strippers. I thought there was it looked hot,
like it felt hot, but my tips were too small.

(07:49):
And Danica and Riley were sort of saying, no, a
lot of girls have small boobs like in the clubs
and whatever. There's something for everyone. There's someone for everyone.
There's someone for everyone. But something that Danica said blew
my mind. First of all, she said, I just have
to be confident. She said, when you're in lingerie and
a club, you're just confident. You can't not be you
can't be insecure. You're all the way out there and

(08:12):
you're you're all out there like you can't. You just
learn to walk around and be confident. The other thing
she said was she said, the nose don't feel personal
because you're looking for someone who you turn on. So basically,
you're going up to guys. And if anyone here has
seen the film Hustlers, they know that Constance Will went
through this in Act one. You walk up people, Okay,

(08:36):
you're a pervert. You don't sound like a fan right now,
you sound like that was my attempt to sound like
what the gen z is call a stand and instead
it it sounded like a pedophile. It sounded like my
heart was going to take us to hr yet a
game and just kidding, they don't have they have no

(08:57):
idea what we're up to if they knew that we
were the one that Mayor is looking for. And that
might be the reason for my bad mood too, is
that I watched episode five of Mayor last night. But
what I was going to say was that, yes, we're
talking about small boobs. She was saying that, you know,
you learned to be confident and like constant swim. In
the beginning, you go up to guys and you get

(09:18):
a lot of nose like no, I'm not in the mood. No,
I'm not in the mood. And then you see a
guy and he's like yes, and you learned that those
nose aren't. They are personal and they're not personal. Someone
not being into is personal, and it's not. It's personal
because they're looking at you, they're seeing everything you're offering,
and they're saying no, and so that feels to you

(09:40):
like it's some measure of worth, but really it's a
guy saying no, you're not my type, and that it
doesn't really have anything to do with you, what to
do with his taste. So first of all, he's psycho
and he actually does like you. But second of all,

(10:00):
and you just have to, you know, stay around, just
keep hanging out, even when it doesn't invite you places.
But no, it's really and you have to and you
have to and you have to just linger. Oh okay,
um sure, I woke up at seven am. Give me
a break. I think that, Uh, you have to go

(10:24):
up and get those nose. And that's a lesson in
putting herself out there. And if you're going out and
you're risking failure, uh, that is a success. It it
means that you you know, you earned a badge that
says I risked failure. And that makes you a romantic
and it makes you a brave person. So and it

(10:45):
makes me Wayne Gretzky because he's the one who said
you miss a pc of the shots, you don't take
sure or it makes you the brunette and he's just
not that into you. Who when she tries to kiss
Justin Long and he pushes her off of her, She's like,
I feel bad for you because I at least believe
even love at least I tried. Yeah, at least I
took the move. I don't have regrets exactly, and I

(11:07):
have many, but I was gonna say, but yet, I
do you like singing Linger by the Cranberries five seconds ago?
And it didn't land anyway. I hope you guys enjoy
this conversation. I hope that, um, I'm in a better
mood next week and that to the news that doesn't
know to make me cry. And I'm grateful for our listeners.

(11:28):
Um codependency episodes were so much fun to record, and UM,
I just I'm so happy that you guys are on
this journey with us. We'll be right back with our guests,
Danika and Riley. I can't wait for you to hear it. Oh,

(11:52):
welcome back to True Romance. True Romance listeners, we have
not one, but two exciting guests for you today. Danica
is a sex positive podcaster and guest lecturer, a sex
worker's advocate, and a dancer, which I'm also going to
add to my bios that I'm also a dancer. Jannica's
podcast fifty plus a Tip often features her friend Riley,

(12:15):
also here today, who was also a sex worker, stripper,
and pr girl currently pursuing a Bachelor of Science. Danica
and Riley, Welcome to True. Thank you so much for
coming on the pod. Thank you so much for having us.
Can you tell us just quickly about your podcast fifty
plus A tip? I feel like when I listened to it,

(12:36):
I couldn't believe there wasn't one like this that existed.
What gave you the idea for it? Yeah, So I
always wanted to kind of be a place, a safe
space for everyone, but specifically people in my community, because
even when we're making legal changes and bills are coming out,
it's very very rare that sex for CRUs are ever

(12:57):
asked or their voices are ever heard. And I was
getting really sick of people talking about sex work but
having no real clue when a sex worker actually was
like or what our experiences were like. And I know
someone I was going into the university is one of
the comments that I continually got in feedback was that, Wow,
I didn't think sex workers look like you, or act

(13:17):
like you, or was educated as you. And to me,
that's ridiculous because most sex workers I do know are
you know, sober and very well educated and have their
ship together. So it really was. Obviously, there was a
complete lack of knowledge um for most for most what
I call squares or non sex workers. So I just
want to yeah, I say it endearingly for the most part. Um,

(13:42):
I love that, Yeah exactly. So Yeah, I just really
wanted to create a safe space for sex workers to
um let their voices be heard. And when it started
to kind of grow and um it got into the thousands,
there was more people reaching out talking about their sexuality
as a whole, um, you know, trying as gender individuals
wanting to come out in a thirty year marriage, or

(14:02):
people having married for many years and wanting to explore
their sexuality outside of their marriage. And I figured I'd
branch out to having it be sex Work and Sexuality
Podcast so more people could have their voices heard in
the safe space, like a judgment free space. I'm so
curious because I know that there's so much stigma around
sex work obviously, and that's what your community is up against. Um,

(14:26):
But have you experienced that even in the podcast field
or in the reception of your podcast? Yeah, I mean
the podcast it's on fourth season. I've been dancing for
seven years and I've pretty much always been very outspoken
of being a sex worker. So I don't think I
took anyone by surprise when the podcast came, and it
wasn't like anyone's like, oh my god, then because the

(14:47):
sex worker, it's like ships a sex worker X amount
of years. Um. So in that sense, no, But I
also worked very hard to make sure the Instagram stay
is very sex positive and sporker friendly, so everything I'm
blocking like fifty plus people deleting comments. Um So that's
definitely where you see like the stigma and like that

(15:09):
kind of the patriarchy slip. It's a little bit totally
and it seems to me from the outside that it's
like this weird line between like let us save you
or like we're gonna kill you, and like we're obsessed
with you, like they are there with you. But it
seems to me that the people who would comment a

(15:30):
negative thing on a sex positive image are people who
hate They're like they hate themselves and they're trying to
suppress their own sexuality, so they hate that they actually
like this image and they take it out in like anger,
and it's like, just don't look at it. If it's
so triggering for you, then just don't look at it.
I think that's just like men in general, though, like

(15:52):
it's all hate people until you ignore them, and it's
like you're ugly. Anyways, in the club, when they can
get your attention, they're like, yes, that love us, and
then as soon as you they are excluded from the spice,
they're like, well fuck you guys. Anyway, Yes, were there
people or other sex workers who sort of set you
up with advice that you would never have gotten otherwise

(16:14):
or is there something that you tell women that are
new to the industry. Yeah, I mean when I started
like seven years ago. The industry has changed so much
it's insane. It changes rapidly every year. But seven years ago,
girls didn't tend to look out for each other as much.
It was a lot more cutthroat, especially where I was
living out in Fort McMurray, Alberta. The money was like

(16:36):
stupid good and it was very much like um kind
of like every every woman for yourself, like, and there's
not like anytime I've been hired at club, but there's
never been any kind of process of like them sitting
you down and be like this is how it goes
and that's what you should wear. And this is how
you'll dance and this swell blat. It's very much like
you're hot, you're hired, figured out, make us money. Um,

(17:00):
and you was like, oh, I would be so bad
at that. Yeah, and it is. I imagine it's nerve wracking.
I think I had like a leg up because I
danced competitively for so many years growing up that dance Um.
But I was lucky enough. I had a girlfriend, Logan
who's now retired because we're getting old, and uh, she
came over to my house when I started, when I

(17:21):
was about to start dancing, because I was serving at
the strip club at that point, so she was a
stripper and I was a server and she knew I
was gonna start stripping, so she sat me down and
was like, UM, I'll give you like five pointers. That's
all you get, Like here this X, Y and z
UM and all I remember taking from that, it's like
power hours when I hustled the most and then yeah,
it was kind of just like learn as you go
from there. I think Riley can speak on how it

(17:43):
is more now coming in as a new stripper because
she's been dancing for two or three years, so it's
a different uh, different dynamic for the young inns. Now, Yeah,
I uh, I started with like kind of a small
uh agency almost I guess where you were technically like

(18:04):
party hostess is or topless poker dealers. Yeah, it was.
It was a smaller community. And looking back, like a
lot of those girls weren't We're very dismissive about the
fact that they were sex workers. Didn't like to call
them um solves sex workers, but it definitely it was
a more amateur vibe. So I kind of learned a
few things. And then by that time I met a

(18:25):
girlfriend who worked at a club, and then she kind
of showed me the ropes of how to work on
the stroke club, what the rules are and stuff like that.
But yeah, I mean going to um outside organized sex
work things like the self defense class that Jennika Um
organized meant that I had friends outside of the club,
and therefore I could ask questions in a non competitive manner,

(18:49):
um right, and take them back. I mean we worked
at different clubs as well, so it was never kind
of that competition or her helping me didn't hurt her anyway,
even it doesn't. But yeah, yeah, that's an important thing
to note to write, like when you're working at cloud
alongside a girl on a Saturday night, as close as
you are at friends, there is like a level of

(19:11):
knowing that there's only so much money in that room
that night. And if she gets the word um, I
mean whale is I think a term non sex workers
use as well. But someone who has a lot of
money will spend it. So if she like snags the whale,
then you're with the little fishies. Like I'm just so
impressed with like the confidence of it, and I think

(19:32):
it's something I've always envied about um women, and I
think it's it's and I think that's also a lot
of the victual that goes at sex workers is like
this feeling that like, oh, I'm inadequate nothing. That's how
I only just like feel the good kind of jealousy
towards like sex workers because I'm like, fucking stripping looks
so hard and so cool. You guys teach people how

(19:54):
to do lap dances. So last time I did that,
I was thirteen years old, because I grew up kind
of fast in New York, and as thirteen year olds,
we were just constantly giving like thirteen year old guys
lap dances and I was really bad at it because
I wasn't just thirteen. I was thirteen in like five

(20:14):
eleven and so tall and awkward and to our listeners
at home, hopefully that don't include my mom and my dad.
How do you commonly start your lap dance classes? Like, basically,
what do you tell women like myself who can sometimes
feel awkward or um shy in this area of their life. Yeah,

(20:35):
so usually when I start the workshop, I do like
a short introduction for who I am, so they have
some kind of reason to listen to me, right, Like,
you know, I make a lot of money doing this,
so I know what I'm doing. And then I go
over some stripper tips I call them, And the big
takeaways are the confidence, like just having confidence that real
fake it till you make it, attitude, um owning your mistakes.

(20:58):
And I always joke like, and I tell the class
this too, Like I've been dancing in seven nine inch
heels for seven years and there's still days when I'm
just lazily walking around the club and I'll like somehow
trip and then I just like kind of turned to
whatever guys next to me, and I go, oh my god,
I'm already falling for you and you just, oh my god,
I love that. Yeah, you just have to own that, right,
and then it's cute and people forget you fell and

(21:19):
all they remember is like, oh my gosh's big kids
and she's funny and that's a great take. So I
love that. So yeah, just owning your owning your mistake
even if you fall, like searching floor work like you know, um,
so that's the that's the biggest one. And then knowing
your angles. Obviously growing up competitively dancing, there's a reason
why there's so many mirrors when you're practicing is knowing

(21:40):
what the audience is seeing. So um. And I often
say to the women, even if you take this outside
of this workshopping, you put it into your bedroom life.
If you're kind of being uncomfortable with the way you're
worried about your body looks like, take some solo time
and do it in front of a mirror by yourself,
and you start to really appreciate those angles and the
way you really do look when it's not just in
your head, imagine it what you actually see your curves look, um.

(22:04):
And then knowing your assets too, right Like for myself,
I have big lips, big boobs. So most of what
I do when I move, I'm accentuating my breast, I'm
facing forward, I'm touching my lips. Those kind of things.
And everyone has at least one thing that's super sexy
about them. So figuring out what you want to kind
of um show off the most, and then gearing your
dances towards that. Um hair flips. Always do hair flips,

(22:28):
no matter how shorterlonging your hair is. Throwing some hair flips.
People love it. It's always sexy. And then the other
thing is that the seduction starts before the dance even starts,
So it's really how you enter a room. It's how
you walk around. And you can spot a baby stripper
very quickly by how she moves and heels and times.
And I love that and be like, let me help

(22:49):
you because you look like Bamby, Like, yeah, definitely mainly
the baby stripper exactly. That's a movie I want to
see you. And it's a lot of girls names that
for sure. But yeah, knowing a killer walk, knowing how
to move your hips when you're walking, and uh, that's big.
Walking with confidence in that it's huge. And then what

(23:11):
are your guys dream client like I feel like there
has to be moments of mutual turn on And what
are those kind of guys like for our male listeners,
like what what actually? Or female or female? Yeah? What
attracts people when you've seen so many different kinds of

(23:32):
men um in a club? What are the guys that
you gravitate towards the rich ones? So that's a very
helpful tip to our listeners. We want you to get
very very rich a game stop short and just you'll
be set how to really thick wallet and not like

(23:52):
rich like flashy rich like will Yeah, yeah, I don't
much of what you're giving me, Like, I'm yeah, I'm
Mac and car and et cetera. First semester of school.
Yeah exactly, Yeah, I'm I mean a Mac computer. Sorry

(24:12):
I revealing my age, she said, I'm Mac. All right,
you know what I'm getting down speaking of IMAX and college. So, Danica,
your degrees in law and psychology, right, psychology? Yeah? And
then Riley your degree is in science statistics. Yeah, statistics. Okay,

(24:39):
So how have your degrees like, has there been any
overlay because my biggest question was, like, do you psych
find yourself psychoanalyzing clients with the psychology degree. Do you
find yourself using your statistics expertise to like gauge whether
the clients are gonna get like a cert? Is they're

(25:00):
sort of like a beautiful mind? Yes? Yeah, yeah, you
see the equation forming over their heads in the club
and you know exactly where to go hunting. Yeah. Actually,
why about my degree? As far as anyone is concerned,
I'm a nursing student and a hair d love Riley

(25:21):
and love that area, all those things, UM flight attendant. Yeah, yeah, unfortunate. Okay,
my fake chop sucks. They're like, dudeh sure, sure, I
guess I wasn't very encouraged. I was like, yeah, totally. Anyway,
we're a sisterhood as Riley. I'm not the friend you

(25:44):
come to for like codling. Ever, I love that. We'll
work on it, don't worry. No, we we joke. But
there is this very real um knowledge we have that
our degree ease are somehow not a selling feature more
often than not in the in the club. Um, to

(26:06):
be an attractive woman and to be highly educated and
to be taking all their money is like too much,
So you have to kind of I don't know that
they would just not be able to digest and throw
up they're going to have like an allergic reaction or something. Yeah,
so we do joke about like sometimes we can say
we're nanny's or we're hairdressers. There were some other less

(26:28):
threatening positions. Yeah, and not just saying that like people
in those fields are dumb, but it's just saying what
I said. I know what you mean though. It's like, oh, okay,
I can teach you about like math and finance, like
you don't have any idea about that. Yeah, And I
like to choose things that are like quite like quote

(26:49):
unquote womanly or maternal, like nanny, nursing, uh, training to
be a teacher, anything like that is like, oh my god,
my go to is yoga? Always a yoga instructor. Oh
my god, okay, this is gonna be my new dating
bio yoga instructor. Nerves if they're gonna be like I'm

(27:11):
all of that and the hairdresser and a nurse any
yo teacher. Um, I feel like we're just making fun
of your questions and not answering them. I'm sorry, I
don't know. I find this fascinating, but yeah. No, definitely
being able to read people and be able to read
a room, and how much knowing how to read people
and knowing psychology helps with sales is like chef's kiss. Yes, helpful.

(27:37):
My degree is absolutely useless. But what I do for work? Now?
Why did you can? No? It just makes me mad
when people use like fake facts to try and prove
a point, like that's all my degree is done for me?
You know? And and I have sense to ex purpose
of drug addicts. Oh my god, actually fucking that that's

(28:00):
not true. But okay, no, but I did know that
of finance guys, I think actually are drug addicts. This
is absolutely true, you know, straight backs like, yeah, exactly,
they're speaking of funk boys. What does a supportive partner

(28:21):
look like to you guys in terms of people you
meet in work or outside of work that you want
to get more serious with? And what kind of guy
do you need? I mean, do you what kind of
bar do you need? Set to have what you think
is like an emotionally fulfilling relationship? Well, I mean I

(28:43):
think we like by pass one of your questions and
again just made fun of you. But um, your question
about it happens so often with Devin that I don't
even I'm like, yeah, but your question about our ideal client,
I think that there's a lot of crossover with the
question of what our ideal part or would look like
for me, like an ideal client, I think we already

(29:05):
answered your question. You want rich said um, but like, um,
I joke but rich chest and um respectful like a
client should and a partner should add percent, respect your boundaries. Um.
That's the biggest thing for me at the end of

(29:26):
the day. I joke about and we have an ongoing
joke on my podcast too that I'm all you give
about his money and like that's I'm very much a hustler.
But and like Riley can attest like I've turned down
clients before because I don't care at the end of
the day how much money I'm getting off you if
you're trying to disrespect me across my boundaries. And it's
one of the things I often tell newcomers in the
industry is if you can come from a privileged place,

(29:49):
which means Riley, make note of all the time that
we are privileged sex workers, were not on street, we're
not survival um, you know, proceeds where we are very
much privileged sex workers. If you can go in the
industry already having a bit of a nest egg so
that you can respect your boundaries and leave situations that
don't so that you never have to do something you
don't want to do because you won't eat the next day. UM.

(30:12):
That's a huge thing. So regardless of your dream client, yeah, UM, generous, yes,
but very respectful. UM doesn't handle prices, doesn't push boundaries,
and UM, it's very much what I expect from a
partner to UM. Partners can very much and should very
much have boundaries in your relationship, and your partner should

(30:33):
very much respect those when you put those in place. UM.
And that also goes into being sex workers. UM. Me
and Riley talked about it often that when everyone wants
to suck a stripper, they don't want to data stripper. UM.
So that's some one thing we've had to overcome, I know,
in our dating lives, having that kind of UM double
standard of it's hot to dat us, but it's embarrassing too,

(30:55):
or it's hot to suck us embarrassing to dat us.
I don't understand that, though I think it would be
so like cool to have a stripper girlfriend. I think
that's like so glamorous. Yeah, so you're not an insecure man.
You you ask what the like the bar is for,
like a supportive partner. I think that like the low

(31:19):
bar is not throwing it in your face when you
are in a fight or making kind of like snide
comments about it. So like you always kind of have
the comments that are like, oh, you're just you're dressing
up for another guy. God. Yeah. And and if you
get into find it's the first thing that they throw
on in your face. It's your fucking horror anyway, you're

(31:41):
a stripper, who's gonna date you after me? Exactly? I
know all my clients that you're so insecure about. Yeah,
literally hundreds of thousands of people. Um. Yeah. And then
it's just like small things as well that you tend
to find in like an going for an unsupportive relationship
is like them trying to because we get to sit
our own schedule for the most parts. So it's things

(32:04):
like them trying to talk you out of or guilt
you out of going to work that night because they
haven't seen you all day because they've been working. And
it just sort of like it kind of shows like
where they see their Korea and where they see, Yeah,
that's a huge one. That's a huge thing to know. Um.
And it goes like even friendships too and like family,
Like if you can't go to something on a Saturday night,

(32:26):
people are like, oh my god, you're never around. It's
like you want to say that to a nine five
worker take off a Tuesday afternoon, um, and usually kind
of come back with like, listen, I'll make more tonight
than you make in six months. So Saturday night. Yeah, yeah,
you would miss the baby shower if you could for
that much money, I'd miss the baby shower from Netflix,
let's be honest. Yeah, or I have to go to

(32:49):
a baby shower. Um. Yeah. I hearing you guys talk
about it, it it makes it clear that so many people
just don't understand, um, that that work. They don't just
respect it as work alone, which is something that we
were talking to Air Force Amy, a call girl from Nevada,
and she was saying the same thing where she was like,

(33:10):
I just want people to know that like I do,
have you know, an unconventional nine to five. Yeah, it's work.
It's not like all this like trial and drama or
like delight an amazing party, Like I would personally love
to believe, but it's literally just like anyone else who's
getting coffee going to work and doesn't remember what they

(33:31):
did at work when they got home. Yeah. I definitely
listen to the episode. I quite enjoyed it. Oh good. Yeah, Yeah,
I really try and make an effort to listen to
when sex workers are on podcasts. Um again, I can't
just be the place that people have voices. I also
need to listen to their voices and other places too.
So I did listen to that, So that was a
good one. I I'm gonna try to get home my

(33:53):
she's the best, so much fun and I she the
advice and like gems of wisdom that's you gave. I
still think about on like a daily basis. Yeah. No,
she's and she was, she's bought on. There are days
where our lives are wild, and I'll turn to Riley
and I'll be like, isn't this fucking weird that it's
not weird test anymore? Like I had a guy. I

(34:16):
had a guy drink my pea. Yeah, I've read about this.
It's kind of common, right, and like sort of yeah,
like and then I like was like driving home and
I was like, I bet if I called any square
and was like this guy just drank my this and
paid me really well, and they feel like what the
But to me, it's like it just a tuesday, you know. Um.

(34:38):
So like there is that aspects I don't want to
ruin that for you, And there is that aspect of
like wild ship that you're like, this is this is
crazy when I actually stopped thinking about it. And really
great parties and really nice penthouse parties and nice trips
and stuff that does happen. Um, But there are very
much the mundane aspect that that Amy was referring to was,
um that you know, we do have to sit down

(34:59):
our computer and put out our you know, our schedule
and figure out how we're going to advertise and all
that mundane stuff and have mundane conversations with clients and
um and yeah and all that is very much a
real thing. And you can be as pretty as like possible.
You can be the hottest thing in the world, and
it doesn't mean you're gonna be successful in the industry.

(35:19):
You do have to have a really good business mindset,
especially if you want to do it long term. Yeah,
I think with the nine to five, like we often
talk about how six workers are portrayed in the media,
either as the victims or the villains, And I think, yes,
you know, if if there was a realistic movie about
six workers, it would be like a lot of sleeping

(35:42):
and talking in the changing room back from these and
a lot of edmund work like that's it and like
can you see my tamp on string? Like yeah, yeah,
it does take. It does take a lot of like skill.
It's definitely not easy nine to five job. And that's
when I like our biggest annoyances is that people constantly

(36:03):
make sex work out to be this metric for failure
in our society where it's like crazy, yeah if I
if I, if I can't get that job, I'll be
a stripper. If I fail this boss, I'll be a stripper.
It's like you might be, but you might fall right
flat in your face, Like literally, can think of so
many jobs that I that are I can't get right
now that would be easier for me to get the

(36:24):
biggest stripper. If I watched it to a strip cup,
they would be like, oh, pizza pizzas here. They'd be like,
are you our new ups lady? How sorry? Go ahead, Riley, No,
I'm just sorry, I'm blacked it out. Your joke just

(36:47):
swipe drop of you. That is what happens. No, m
how has relaxed after some of these days of just
the nine to five grind. Um, Well for me, honestly,
Like I I'm big on the family, so like I
make it a point each week to take like two

(37:08):
or three days out of my week. And I my
family doesn't live here, so they they are a bit
of a drive away, so I go drive out and
see them and I just hang out with them for
like two or three days and we play cards and
watch like cheesy family Netflix shows and just like ground myself. Um.
And yes, my family doesn't know what I did for work.
People always say that to you, like does your family know?
It's like you even asking that is showing what you

(37:30):
think of the job, because you wouldn't ask their parents
thought of their job. Right, Um, my family does know.
They still love me. Um, so I spend a lot
of time with them. Having sex worker girlfriends is huge,
being able to debrief with each other, whether you have
a really really good day and you want to brag
about it or a really really shitty day and you
want some like comfort. Um. Having that community of sex workers.

(37:53):
We have like group chats, a bunch of group chats
with different sex workers that we talked with. Me and
Riley as one with like are like five best friends.
We always kind of recap our nights with each other
and and that's really therapeutic, um, to have people that
understand where you're coming from and what you're going through,
whether it be good or bad. And then also we
live in Vancouver, which is absolutely gorgeous, so definitely it
is Yeah, yeah, definitely getting outside is huge and just

(38:16):
kind of really like rounding yourself that way, um, realizing
there's bigger things in the world than just that shitty
gig you had or or whatnot. I'm sorry, I love
that I said. It is like I'm an expert on Vancouver.
I'm like to our listeners, Yes, Dannika is right, Vancouver
is beautiful anyway. Yeah, I can appreciate that. I feel

(38:36):
like so much of what you do I can imagine
is like your focus and like giving giving this energy.
So I can imagine that it's nice to be grounded
and just like get to be selfish for a little bit. Yeah,
I actually remembered what I was going to say. Befo.
I'm gonna I said about how beautiful Vancouver is because

(38:57):
I got you covered. Um know about what Dnnick was
saying was like a six to it kind of being
a mittri and fail and if I, you know, I
can't do this, then I'll do six work. And even
with going to university, you kind of get that same
sort of thing, like people think that I'm I'm doing

(39:18):
six works so that I can pay for my university,
and I'm going to university so that when my tips
hit the floor my back gives out, I have something
to like pull back against, you know, like the degree
back right, people that a back roods for sure, and
that's love that I could do sex work for the
rest of my life and make the money I make
for the rest of my life. Like I'd be the

(39:39):
laughing but I know, like they're there is an expiry date, right,
Um So yeah, my I spent way too much money
on different degrees that elementally use. I think it's so
interesting that people think of this as such an exploititive, dark, crazy,
twisted career when you look at any other career are

(40:00):
in you know, I'm gonna include you guys, but the
American and Canadian like economy. It's like, yeah, like that
sucking Amazon workers who have to pee in water bottles,
Like why aren't we talking about that and making that
like a huge concern. That's what I was just thinking,
is that the amount of workplace expose as I've read
about every industry from I mean I've just heard about

(40:22):
from friends to like law firms that are just abusive
to their lower level employees, and obviously every corporation with
the most fucked up employment practices, um, the entertainment industry.
Like it's like we have read six hundred page long
expose a s about how fucked up these industries are.
People should be saying, like why are you doing that?

(40:43):
Like does your family still love you when you go
to work and throw a stapler at someone's head? And
then you know what I mean, Yeah, did your family
still love you when you're doing coke under your desk
at your Wall Street firm? I mean, I uh, I
guess I'm just saying, like talking to you two and
talking to Amy, like you two have your lives together

(41:05):
more than most people I know, just in terms of like, wow,
you're young, you're already making bank Like you walk your
own schedules, like, so it's interesting that this is the
area that sort of our ancient patriarchal puritanical values have
like honed in on, like we need to save these people.
M hmm, yeah, yeah, I mean I think there. I mean,

(41:29):
there's no attempt of actually saving And they even made
comments when our bill c Fairty six came out that
they have no intention of making sex works safer because
they want to um stop people from entering into it. Um,
which is insane because if casual sex was such a
terrible thing, then you would demand the tinder and bumble

(41:52):
and grinder and all taken away, and you would definitely
come out of the porn industry and not the porn
industry last nay more because they're having casual sex random people.
The only difference is that the government profits billions of
dollars off the porn industry and women having independence and
selling their bodies if you want to say it like that,
um for sexual pleasure and actually monetizing it all of a

(42:16):
a sudden, that's the devil. So I think that's pretty
eyebrow raising when you really break down to what they're
really demonizing, the fact that women are profiting off their
bodies and not the government profiting off the bodies. And
that's when it becomes an issue that's so fascinating. I've
just never heard it from that angle before, but that
makes complete sense in many years to think about it. Well,

(42:38):
it just ties into like this general feeling of like
female autono being being female autonomy being so scary to
people as if And that's what I read this Carly
Sorrantino books Whatever, which is um incredible and I loved,
and she talks about working as a sex worker, and um,
all of the bill else like we were talking about

(43:01):
that we're blocking trying to like quote unquote block people
from entering sex work. But she was talking about this
weird savior complex and she was like, you're saying that
you know more about my body than I do. Like
you're saying you know more about me than I do.
You don't. And I thought like, oh, don't we see
that in little ways all the time though, like with

(43:22):
men just assuming like I'm gonna help you because there's
no way you can do this. I you guys look
so cool. And I had this question before we saw
each other, but Devin and I popped on Riley, you
have such a cool tattoo. And are you wearing a
wig or is that your natural? Yeah? This is okay.
So she has curly as a purple. Yeah, it's like

(43:44):
a gray gray silva. Okay. And then Daneka looks you
literally look like a movie star. You have like se eyelashes.
You just said that looks like disperately putting on chaps today.
The thing is is that you guys are what Devin

(44:07):
calls fancy when Devin Wilson Times talk about girls like
at parties and stuff, and she's like, oh, I was
scared to talk to her because she was like really fancy.
But she doesn't and I'm like, oh, I know exactly
what you mean. I just mean beautiful and glowing and glamorous.
How has your work affected your style or how has
being able to so own yourselves affected your style? Oh god?

(44:29):
So I'm just looking at wow is in the sleeping
shirt and hair mask. But she also looks like Marilyn Monroe. Yes,
thank you. See. Let me have honestly jokes aside, like
I'm very much like a streetwear kind of person. I'm
I'm always in runners and a hoodie and sweatpants, like

(44:50):
oversized those um, and then you take off the shirt
and it's like thirty triple ages. Um, but no, Yeah,
it'll be hard pressed to ever see me in like heels,
always in like a track suit, sweatpants, hoodie. Um, that's
definitely my style. Um, and it kind of always been, um,

(45:10):
but definitely more so. Like I can't be fucked to
put makeup on all my days off right, I'm not
getting paid for us, why would I do it? It
also doesn't I have my like my lashes on permanently,
My lips are micro shaded, my eyebrowser shaded. Like half
the works already done for me, let's be honest. But
I still can't put that much effort in. Yeah, for

(45:31):
for my style, like, not not much has changed. My
work persona is very different from my regular persona. So
I actually do wear a wig for work. And it's
just like, I don't know, twenty seven inch, like blonde, brown,
like wavy. Yeah, she's she's glam, But I want to
be a stripper, Carolina, you have no idea and how

(45:53):
I like feeling. It's jealousy right now, but continue she
wants she wants to be on the couch with you guys,
putting a hair mask on. I allow it. I'm just like,
like Tevin, we never look like this. We never took
close stuff like this. I know. All we do is
like order pizza and talk to it about our exes. No,
that is what we do. Like they still but they

(46:17):
get to wear wigs, Steven, I don't. But you wear
this gorgeous wig at work that's twenty seven inches long. Yeah, no,
that's it, like I wear makeup. Like. Yeah, we're definitely
more like a female presenting at work, I think than
we are in our real lives. Um, and I think,

(46:38):
I mean I've always been that way my whole life.
I've always been more like I don't know, I think
I've always dressed more like casual, but definitely I think, yeah,
when your job is to be done up and look
very like stereotypical feminine beauty, um, yeah, you really enjoy
wearing scrubs, like being scrubbed out and putting in a
hair mask and you know, yeah, well I got the

(47:01):
wig because I started the journey from like cutting my hand.
It was quite long, and then I went to a
bob which I still work, work, work, work, and then
I just recently kind of into like the shag mullet
thing that I have now because I'm gonna shave it later.
It looks so cool. I love this book though, thank you. Yeah,
it's very cool. Today I have a serious question and

(47:27):
kind of a jokey question but not really but my
serious I have a serious question also, but good So
my serious question is just and there. It might be
too big to answer in one breath, but what do
you want to people know who may have predisposed ideas?
And I don't think that it's anyone's job in any
sort of marginalized community to convince other people why they're

(47:49):
normal humans. What is sort of your like, oh, I
just wish they knew that X, Y and Z feeling Yeah.
I mean the end of every episode of mine, I
used to ask the people, you know, if you have
thirty seconds for the world's attention, what would you say
and like, without fail, without fail, But ninety percent of

(48:10):
people would say, like that, we're people, And I, like,
I really do believe that's the simplest way to say.
This's like that we're just sucking people, Like we're not
these like demons, We're not like you know, we're not
all drug addicts and I think like that's when all
the stigmas come into play, right, Like that we're all
drug and alcohol abusers, that we have terrible family lives
that were unlovable, um, that all these things. Um that

(48:32):
we're all scammers that at the end of the day, like,
of course, like those people do exist in the industry,
because they exists everywhere in every industry. Um, but there
are like a lot of a really amazing people in
the industry, and that yeah, we're not doing anything different
than anyone else. Everyone else is fucking or going on
dates or or you know, arousing people, and we're just

(48:53):
getting paid to do it. Yeah. I was gonna say, like,
look look around you, and I guarantee one of those
people are six booker of some form. Like where everyone
I'm like in the house with my mom. I'm like, Mom,
isn't you I love that? I love that scene. I

(49:22):
want to see that. But no, we we look like
regular people. And some of y'all out there using your
sexuality for dates and drinks, We're just using it to
pay our bills. Like yeah, yeah, it's I think it's
very real that everyone proceutes themselves in some way or another,
Like me and me and Riley armed prostitutes were escorts,
which are vastly different from each other. Prostitution is the

(49:42):
actual active sexual services for money. Escorting is companionship for money,
so going on paid dates and stuff. But I think
everyone in some way is using whatever they have to
offer and monetizing it. Whether you're general labor or you're
using your brain for a scientist or whatever. Like, you're
using what you have to make money. So we're right.
You know, sex work is work as sex worrd. It's

(50:04):
your time and energy, you know. It's just like, speaking
of the difference between escorts and prostitutes, what is your
dream date? Like, what are the dates that you actually
find yourself really enjoying and not just being like, get
out of work in like one hour, take me shopping,
don't talk to me, give me away love. This is

(50:28):
a sentence I will remember forever, the shopping don't talk
to me. And That's what I'm going to say to
Carolina the next time I see her in person as
soon as we meet up. I mean, I'm I'm shocked,
I'm I moved. I moved. It's very true. Um no, yeah,
so the best date is someone who never handles your price,

(50:50):
you tell him what it is, they pay you up
front right away, there's no issue. Um, and then you
just like generally enjoyed us time. They can carry a conversation.
They're funny. They're again respecting your physical boundaries and your
like personal boundaries and how much information you want to give. Um.
There's nothing more annoying than people being like, but what's
your real name? No, but what's your Oh my god,

(51:13):
I'm sorry for continually asking, like acting like I know,
like what this is like. I'm just I know we're
like yea that we just want to be more so
we're trying to like play like we guys are our girlfriends.
Ye I'm like Riley Tanico, we fucking get it. No, No,

(51:35):
but I actually I think I've had my dream. My
dream day is like either yeah, they just want to
pay for your time and you can sit there and
watch a movie and they just give you, you know,
a good amount of money for it. And then I
actually have had one client take me shopping. He paid
for everything in cash, so in okay, I wanted to

(51:55):
return it and get the money I could, and he
took me to a Lane Rice store. He was like
do do you know your size? Like do you even
need to try it on? And I'm like no, I
do not lits good. And then he took me for
dinner to a really nice restaurant and he helped me
put my bags in the taxi and then he didn't
try and go in for a kiss, like I didn't

(52:16):
have to do any type of like ending. And then
I lift and never to be seen. That was it
and returned all my clothes for money. Um, but great
if that was like a romantic movie. Yeah, it's just
there's to be the next like romantic comedy like the
happy Ending. You're like just a trip. Yeah. And I

(52:36):
always try to bring my girlfriends on my dates, Like
I Riley gets dragged everything with me, like willing, kicking
and screaming. She gets dragged. Um. I always think, sure,
you get paid handsomely. Um, but it's just more fun
when there's a girl over with you, and then you
guys can do like the I I looks at each other.
We've gotten really good at saying a lot without saying
anything at each other, so it's always nice. Seld friend

(52:58):
with you too. Love this makes me I know that
I just keep talking about being jealous, but she wants
to bring me out. Her dates with her is what
she's going to seven would never come. Devon will be
on her phone the whole time, and I'd be like, Devin,
I'm trying to talk to you with my eyes. Hello,
Jennith and Riley. Don't you remember Riley? Yeah, I'm in

(53:23):
my wig inch wig. You're like, okay, So first I
want to ask you guys how squares like us can
best advocate for sex workers. And then I would love

(53:45):
for you both to plug anything you want to plug,
including fifty plus a tip social handles, anything that you
want to promote in this space. Yeah. I think the
biggest thing is educating yourselves. So definitely, like you know,
everyone has Google Google. Are your current like sex worker
laws really think of them? Um? Does this make sense?

(54:09):
Is this? You know? Really allowing people to have rates
with their body is probably not that's problematic. And then
even to the simple things. And I know no one
wants to be this person who like has to correct others,
but that's how you see change. It's it's not it's
not a fun position to be in. I am always
that fucking person. I'm always a person calling people out
but that's how people start to analyze what they're saying.

(54:31):
Like people just say things because it's a norm, you know,
the dead hooker jokes or the stripper jokes. So next
time you hear someone be like, if I fail this class,
maybe a stripper, you can be like, hey, that's kind
of a sensitive to be honest, because it's not a
metric for failure. And then maybe maybe they go like,
oh funk, you're fucking weird. But maybe they go home
and think about it, or maybe they ask you, right
them to expand you know, being that person that kind
of stops in its tracks and doesn't laugh along and

(54:53):
kind of challenges that. Um, those kind of remarks, because
that's how those little, tiny remarks is how the bigger
a picture becomes a problem. Right, Like people start seeing
that because I hear it all the time, the dead
hooker jokes is the stupid stripper um, X, Y and Z.
So that's like on on a small scale, things like that,
they make a difference, right, Yeah, And just a little

(55:13):
ps i for anyone who wants to go to clubs
when they open again is please tip. Like, unlike usual places,
getting into the club doesn't pay for performance. For their
time and tip. So if you're not gonna throw money,
and you should throw money, at least move out of
the wide from paying customers because if it wasnts to
pay our bills. Yeah, and like I know, um, here

(55:38):
in Canada, we don't get paid like a floor we
don't pay. We don't get paid to be there. We
have to pay to be there. Yeah, so the minute
we're in the club, we've already lost money because we
had to pay a floor feed. When I worked in
other places, it can be upwards of three d plus
dollars to be welcome, and then we have to sell
dances to make that money back. Or we're doing stage

(55:58):
shows and some people paid for their stage shows and
we only get the tips, so we really are living
off tips. And then we do sell a dance. Here
in Canada, we're paying the club typically of our payments.
So if you go for a fifty dollar dance with me,
I give the club twenty dollars, I get thirty and
I have do that ten times before I break. Event. Um,

(56:18):
it's nice when the girls come in and like we
kind of not to like blame women, but oftentimes it's
women that come in and they're like screaming at the
front of the stage and they're like, oh my god,
here's so hot. I wish I could do this. It's like, cool,
pay me. That's not me, right, Carol, I know why
do you do that? This is good. I'm like I'm learning. Yes,
I'm learning. Okay, uh no, just be just be like

(56:42):
h m v P. Like if a guy thinks it's
gonna be hot to pay for you to have a
dance with a girl, like even if you don't want to,
just go to the back and have a talk find
the girl. That's like, no, I don't want it, Like
give me money. Let you get the money. That's a
big when guys hand someone a fifty and the guy
the guy the girls like, I don't want to dance,
like that's cool. I won't. I see this some all

(57:04):
the time, like listen, I won't even dance on you, bro,
Like I'll just stand there, havend me the fucking money
and you can walk the away. Give me the um
don't like yeah, cock block my income. Um. But yeah,
that's a huge thing. And then um yeah, that's that's
the biggest thing. And supporting it because if you guys
want see performers. We need to keep making money so
we can perform. Um, you wouldn't go to like Starbucks

(57:26):
and like cheer on the person making coffee and then
like do you want one? Like no, No, I'm just
really proud of how you're making this. I'm just my
name is not about to get called. I'm just happy
to be here. Yeah. That makes total sense and just
seems like a nice way to get back into socializing
in general after all of this, is to be within
a crowd like that. See yeah, see I think. Um, okay,

(57:53):
So any social handles that you guys want to where
can people find you if you want them to find you?
Asterisk true? Um, you can find us ont plus a tip.
Um on Instagram it's five zero plus a tip and
it's on Spotify, Apple, iTunes, one are all the other things.

(58:15):
It's not everywhere, we're everywhere, um, but yeah you can.
And then there's a link in the Instagram bio as
well to other things. Um, but yeah, you can pretty
much always find us there. I try to be very
on top of the d m s and if you're
getting more for more than a week, I intentionally ignored
you don't get confused about it um great. Yeah, well

(58:37):
it has Oh sorry, go ahead. You know, if you
want to tip us, you can also ask us for
our papal Oh yeah, welcome to do each other. We're
just okay. I was like, yeah, that's Carolina wants to
make up for all the time. I know. I'm like
a part of the problem the salute, and now I

(59:01):
want to be a part of the solution. I can't
thank you guys enough. It really made my day to
talk to you both. And um, I just love UH
females in general. I am very into the power of
UM females hearing each other. It means more to me
than UM men hearing us most of the time. So

(59:22):
thank you guys for being so open and cool. Yeah,
thank much for sharing your space with us. Yeah, thanks
for having us on your platform. All right, we will
go to a commercial break and then we'll be all
right back. Thank you oh much, and we're back with

(59:43):
true romance. That was Dannaka and Riley again. Great girls.
I would love to be them. I would love to
be them. Oh my god, are you kidding? Around them?
Be them? Be around them. I would love to have
a Friday night out with them. Okay, where we didn't
even get me and my girls Danny and Rye and Carol.

(01:00:06):
We're going to t g I Fridays. Carol, You're like
Danny Riley Carol, because that's like the mom who's like,
I'm gonna go get my purse. I left it in
the car. We're like, oh god, Carol brad her her
thermis again. We know what she puts in that thing,
and it's sure ain't coffee. I got a card. What's

(01:00:31):
the line that Carol always says, Oh yeah, it's I
got a card again. I got a card again? Um no,
but but really, uh, when I feel like an old
card again under the bed, Carol picks me up. And
that's what matters, um, the fact that that's like a
chorus in a song that we accept as normal, that
I feel like an old, dusty Cardigan and you put

(01:00:52):
me on like that's just not okay, But that's just
part of my life, okay. There was a comedy writer
on twit Twitter. I don't remember his name, but he
said that in a thirty rock spec he wrote, like
ten years ago, Taylor Swift had written a song named Cardigan.
That makes perfect sense, right, And I think that that

(01:01:13):
is interesting, because I am psychic. But that's a conversation
for another time. But the point was that I was
going to say is we have a Twitter account. This
is what we've been trying to get out for the
past hour. We have a Twitter account. And the interesting
thing about the Twitter account is that you have any followers.

(01:01:34):
It doesn't have any followers. And who is one of
the lacking followers that we haven't been able to secure?
One Carolina Barlow Carolina Barlow on Twitter formerly at trying
to Fart on Twitter. I followed, I'm texting, I'm texting
with Carolina. I'm like, okay, I made the account. We're

(01:01:55):
like deciding on the profile picture, of the cover photo,
all this stuff. I'm sending her screenshots. Were agreeing on things,
and so I immediately follow her from the account, assuming
immediately she'll fall back. Weeks go by, months go by,
I'm getting like former bosses of mine who I don't
even talk to anymore, have followed, and I'm like, Wow,
how kind of them. But you know who's missing from
the followers. You know who's not one of the forty

(01:02:16):
seven followers Hill one Carol with the Cardigan with the
thermis at t J Fridays. And then I texted her
and said, hey, like, do you mind following the Like, hey,
do you mind following our personal Twitter account? Like if
you just have a moment? And yet she doesson once

(01:02:38):
again in Justin Bieber's words, Hey, guess what. Guess what
I don't recall in Justin Bieber's where it's there's one
more lonely Twitter in this world and it's my and mine.
I guess just my Twitter that is actual? You know, No,
it's ours. And now I'm gonna smash that follow button

(01:02:59):
as soon as we get off these hot mics. Okay, well,
everybody follow Carol's suit today and choose today to follow
at True Romance Pod on Twitter, tweet or and please
also follow us on Spotify. True Romance Podcast on Spotify.
We got one playlist out, we're gonna do a couple more.

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And you know, we're just out there. We're just on
the platforms. We're just in the world. We're just in
the ether. We're in your ether net chord. We're in
your wall. Once the either net chord connects to the wall,
we're in the We're in the place where the mouse
is from mouse Trap. Are are setting up or mouse Hunt?
Is that the movie with Christopher Walking? You know the mice.
They set up their beds in an altoid box in
the wall. We're there. Oh yes, I recall. So just

(01:03:44):
check us out, Nathan Lane, where is that guy? All right?
Well you guys, you guys, get it and follow us. Thanks.
It was another great episode. One for the books, dev
and I Love You. One for the books. I Love you, Carol,
don't forget your Cardian iedcause a lit love. I want true.

(01:04:10):
It's true true, sits surromantic love me, baby, don't leave
me hangin. I want truth