March 7, 2024 • 39 mins
Devin and Carolina take a trip down to hell - sorry, the Hamptons - where the Summer House season 8 cast is going down to the darkest marital depths and it’s only episode 2! Amanda “loves” her annoying ass husband so much she threatens to leave him and Lindsay accuses Kyle of being on drugs and meanwhile West is actually kind of hot. Listen for all of this and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ohed Hello and welcome to true Romance.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is Carolina Barlow.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
This is Devin Damn Leary and not the football player.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
If you google Devin Leary, the first thing you see
is just a football player. And I know how much
that's hurt you, and I know that how much that
is just chipped away at your self esteem.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Well, it's also like something's going on with this guy. No,
something's going on with this Devin Leary guy, because people
keep texting these screenshots and I'm like, he's just not
even good looking, like.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
For a football player especially, But I the first thing
that happens to you Google me is Carolina left hand accident,
which you know what really well, that's like, you know
when that's the suggested googles mineus.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Wait, Devin Leary, Yeah, football quarterback, years of eligibility what
Devin Leary forty times Devn Leary NFL draft? Okay, yeah,
I mean it's better than like Devon Leary racist incident,
you know what I mean, Like, that's so true. Carolina Barlow,
(01:20):
Gloria Sanchez, that's the first thing I'm seeing, Okay, Carolina Barlow,
Ron Burgundy. Okay, So basically you're standing in the shadow
of a man and I you step out of it.
I recommend you step out of it, because some of
us don't have a choice of steping out of that shadow.
Because I don't even know this football guy, and I'm like,
(01:42):
how do I get out of there? I guess I
have to do something that breaks the internet. As the
kids say, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You get completely naked in front of a champagne glass
like kim k Okay, the answer is get completely naked.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Okay. Well, we have so much to talk about from
the most explosive episode. And by the way, this is
episode two of Summerhouse season eight, episode very two, and honestly,
it to me is more explosive than scanned of all
in some ways.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I get a text from Devin that's like, you need
to watch episode like Summerhouse episode two. I'm shook. I immediately
raced to my couch, which I do quite often, and
I was already excited to watch episode two. Because for
those of you who are not caught up, we for
those of you who don't read the news, Lindsay and
(02:36):
Carl have called off their engagement. They called it off
very late, like like weeks before they're getting married. People
had to pay for hotel rooms like it was that
close to their wedding date. And besides that, in episode one,
we already are seeing Kyle and Amanda and their horri
fic marriage as we recapped in a previous episode. So
(03:00):
episode two of Summerhouse, first off, we see Kyle and
Amanda's horrific relationship and I felt this like in my chest,
I felt this in my stomach, I felt this in
my bone.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's too real.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's too real. It really is like being around a
couple that you know needs to break up. Like she
everything he says, She's like whatever. He basically says, I'm
gonna take a shower, and she goes, okay, take a shower,
but don't just hang out downstairs? Why don't you do
that before we leave? And then she he's like, okay,
(03:37):
why are you so mad at me? And she's like,
why am I annoyed with you?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I am. And then basically she says, if you're not
ready to leave, I'm gonna go in another car. And
you can tell that his face like drops, like he
sees how serious this fight they're having is. And he's like,
you're gonna leave in another car and she's like, yeah,
if you're not ready to leave, I'm gonna leave in
another car. And he goes fucking asshole and he goes good, fine,
like fine, find your own way home, like when we're
(04:01):
there already, like to me, the year like.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Bying up to that, we can I just say one
thing I noticed something this rewatch.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yes we watch these episodes twice.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yes, we are scholars, we're scholarly ass Meanwhile, I'm in
school and I like didn't even do a homework assignment.
And then I googled, like is a D plus passing?
And was like, oh, I guess I just won't do
the assignment then. And I hope to become a college
graduate some day. Okay, but this is the thing every
I forgot that sometimes I forget that. Everything comes back
(04:43):
to the trauma of Kyle cheating over Andy, and he
brought it up this episode. He's like, well that last year,
it was like he got because remember she went into
that trauma place last year on like the first night,
he got so blackout that he like didn't come home
till like and she's like texting and calling him and
like crying in that trauma place.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
She just throwing her stuff around, puts his puts all
of his belongings outside, which I respected. That's the thing
someone who goes to you know, ten, I think she.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Has trauma that she hasn't explored from childhood that she
replayed by being in a relationship or well well by
being in a situationship with Kyle in the beginning where
he would like only text her at two in the
morning when he's drunk, and then she like ends up
in a relationship with him and he cheats on her
over and over again. She's just reliving a cycle of trauma.
(05:35):
And that's like the level of crying that I'm recognizing,
and I relate to it so much, where you just
like go to this place of like, oh my god,
it's happening again. It's happening again. Oh my god. And
so that is at play. And then meanwhile, like, there
is nothing that frustrates me more than even being with
friends who are like dilly dowing around. Like I remember
(05:56):
I went out with friends after my friend's wedding and
and I was like, who is staying the same hotel
as me? And I was like, okay, I don't want to,
Like I'm going to go straight back to the hotel
and they're like no, no, no, We're only going to get
one drink. And I was like, okay, but like promise
it's only one drink because otherwise I'm just gonna go
to the hotel by myself. Meanwhile, they're just like dillydallying,
like talking about and I'm like no. Or when you're
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with someone and you're leaving a party and they insist
on saying goodbye to like eight million people in eight
different ways, it's like, I just want to go.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So this is from my own trauma of having my
mom run into friends with the supermarket and us not
being able to leave right away, like traum, I ah
the fastest person to get ready I get I would
rather look like shit and leave quickly than get ready
and look nice.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I like to leave without saying bye to a single person.
That's mine the best. Yeah, that's like the one benefit
of being sober when other people are drinking is that
I'm like, no one is going to remember if I
say bye or not, so bye, I'm out goodbye. And
but this is the thing he is. He goes downstairs
after she said I really want you to get even
though she didn't say the right way. But she's like,
I want I need to get ready fast. He could
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have just taken like she said, She's like, okay, hop
in the shower now. Like basically he woke up and
said I'm gonna want a shower before we leave, and
she's like, okay, then get in the shower now. Why
doesn't he? Instead he goes downstairs like has breakfast and
he's like, bro, send it now, bro, And I'm like,
all right, So that would drive me crazy too. And
then Page comes up and she's like he's been talking.
(07:24):
But that's where it gets dark. She's like, he is
basically talking shit about me when he's the one who,
like I think, for her, it's like he's the one
talking shit about me and saying I'm not ready for
kids when he's the one who cheated on me multiple times.
It is an alcoholic, Like I think that's where.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Is Yeah, that's the sublimental messaging. But I I didn't
think when Page relayed the conversation she had with Kyle
to her, I didn't think it sounded like Kyle was
talking shit about her. She literally was just saying like
he's scared to buy a house and have kids and
Amanda goes great, then go be single and you're like, oh,
you are in another level. Like if someone came up
(08:01):
to me and they were like, your boyfriend's scared of
having kids and buying house, I'd be like, great, me too.
It's a scary thing. Doesn't sound like we're ready for it,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I mean, paget scared of doing that with Craig and
like you, But I don't want to do that right
now exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I don't think it's like a I don't think it
means anything about the relationship. I think it means just
about where you are in life. But I think Amanda
hates Kyle. That is the problem. I think she hates him.
I think she's mad at him, and I think she
hates the way he is period. And so that's what
I think the root of their fights are. And I
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think they're also friends, like they like talking about each other.
I know we've talked a lot about how Craig is
a great housewife, Kyle is also a great housewife. Like
he's always conscious of the cameras. He's always asking the
other guys like, so do you like Sierra? Ye's true,
that's true. Girls girls together like she's the one who's
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going and gossiping about Lindsay to Kyle.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But I thought she was a cute moment. I will say, like,
to me, that was romance when she's like okay, so
at the club, Lindsay said this, but Kyle was just like, yeah,
I told her she needs to chill out. I'm like, okay,
this is serious, like pay attention. But it was cute.
They bonded over that, and then they got in bed
and held hands while they fell. Yeah, that's cute. That
was cute.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So it's like what we want, that's what we want.
Maybe there's something to salvage here, but overall, I agree
there's some trauma she needs to work through. But watching
them fight like that and then of course they make
up for the cameras and have like this like fake
ass dinner together where she's like, well, I'm going to
be a good mom and he's like, of course, they're
going to be a good mom. And that's what I
(09:40):
realized too during this dinner is there's so much happening
off camera, Like I think he's even worse off camera
because she's like, you point out things I'm doing wrong
all the time, and I have to look for your
stuff all the time, and all you know. Basically, when
she's talking to Paige, she's like, all he does is
like point out things I'm doing wrong, and I'm so
sick of it and I have a feeling. And she
(10:00):
mentions that to see her On page two, she says,
like he takes out his work stress on me, Yeah,
which I think is very common with men. I I mean,
it's so funny because like I feel like women are
stressed out all the time. It's like I'm stressed out
all the time. I serious, I wonder what my life
would be without stress and fear, Like I think my
(10:22):
PTSD just makes me scared of worst case scenarios play
in my head all the time. I dream about car accidents,
Like I am just like a fragile person. I have
never taken this out on a boyfriend. If anything, My
problem is that I don't share what's going on with Yes. Meanwhile,
a man is yet like yeah, half yelling at me
about his frustrations with work. Yes, And so I'm sure
(10:45):
that's what Amanda's going through. I can almost say for
certainty that's what she's going through anyway, So they make
up for cameras, but that is just like a quarter
of episode two exactly. That's beginning, nothing compared to what
we are seeing an episode two.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
The first time I watched it, I was like, wait,
is this gonna happen in the same episode, like, because
I I saw like headlines that was like Lindsay calls
out Carl Radkey or whatever, and I was like, wait,
that can't be happening in this episode though, and little
do we know. So first of all, I loved this
(11:35):
is the first time I've been to the Summerhouse read it,
but I had to like see what people were saying.
Like I was like, tititalated like that within two seconds
of when you texted me. I watched the episode. I
was like, Okay, great, and this is the theory and
this is the blah blah blah. Like I was like,
we need to get into this because but like people
were pointing out how over the top, like this is
(11:55):
the thing because remember when Carl is like, I'm not
gonna call you babe at the house and she's like, oh,
so you hear what other people think.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
This is one of my favorite parts is the basketball scene.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
But let me say that, remember last season, how over
the top. They were with babe, babe, I love you
so much, I love you so like there's something so
fake about their romantic connection. And she's literally showing up
at the basketball thaying.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Like ooh hoty ooh, oh ow ow, you're so hot,
Oh my god, you're so hot, handsome, dunk whatever, and
it's like, that's not normal when you've been in a
long term relationship, is it?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
So they this is like a monster movie where you
can see small glimpses of like a shark. Fin Yes,
we see them sitting together at the basketball court and
he says babe, and then he says, sorry, I'm not
gonna call you babe this summer. I'm gonna call you dude.
And she goes you suddenly see her face go into
darkness and she's like, but you call me babe at
(12:49):
the house right Why would you say that? And he's like,
I'm joking and the joke didn't land. You already see
their dynamic, like he has to be why he is
walking on egg shells. She is quick to like go
dark really quickly. Yes, so automatically, I was like, I
understand this relationship. It scares me. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Cut to.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They're at the house. This is another part. This is
another Shark inciting. They're at the house and basically she
gets a room that you can see that she really
doesn't like, and he's like, are you okay? And she
goes good vibes, good vibes. It is like the Shaka
bra sign on him and he's like, okay, so are
you okay? No aggressive, Nope, good vibes. And you're like,
(13:33):
this is already West. Who is my new favorite summer
house star. I think they finally found someone who deserves
to join the main caste. He's literally stitting in between
it and he looks like he's watching his parents fight.
He's like, oh, so, you know what, I'm just going
to get out of here. And again with sharkanciting, like
(13:54):
I even recounting it, I'm like, oh my god, my
parents getting divorced again. It's like so tends to watch.
Cut to finally the fight that almost I think this
is the fight that starts like initiates this breakup, like
it's that serious where we see them leave for the club.
(14:18):
I'm upset that cameras aren't following. I really think that
we deserved cameras in you know, a white sprender van.
At this point, I haven't been so disappointed that cameras
weren't watching this since you know, Kathy Hilton an Aspen like,
I'm like, where are the cameras when we need them?
Supposedly and recounting the events, Lindsey tells Carl in the car,
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I'm scared that it's going to be held against me
that I'm traveling with the boys instead of the girls,
and Carl says to her and his recounting, it's okay, babe,
don't worry about it. And her recounting, she says, he
completely shut me down. And then in Jesse Saw and
(15:00):
Kyle are like Lindsay went from like zero to one
hundred and like one second.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I do struggle with like a girl being in a
car full of men and her like reality being questioned, right,
But it's case by case, and in this case, Lindsay
has been one of the most unreasonable people I've ever
watched on television, and every single like cast member has
basically said they have to have a completely boundaried relationship
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with her because she's so unstable. And she on Reddit too,
people were saying, like she like lied. First of all,
she like lied about being I guess in the first
few seasons she lied about being in pr Like she
like made up a company that she works for and
someone posted her LinkedIn and she was a publicist for
(15:49):
the Women's Zionist organization. I mean like not to go there.
But someone was just like what, like what is this okay?
And then meanwhile, we've seen her in several different relationships,
and in every single relationship we've seen her in on
the show, she is the calm denominator of toxicity. I mean,
I think the first guy she was with was kind
(16:09):
of toxic too. So that and also she did come
into the house so even to West, who was being nice,
she's like, I've been in this house for many She's like,
is the room hot? And he's like, ah, you could
go feel the time she her and she goes, well,
I've been in this house for many years. It's like, well,
you just asked him a question. Like so that also,
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Carl seemed completely sober when he left and when he
came back and on the phone, I thought it was okay,
Well I'm getting ahead of myself, but I'm just saying yeah,
her and by the way, even if what she said happened,
like even if she was like, oh, I'm like worried
that the and by the way the way she phrased that,
(16:50):
even like the girls are going to use it against
me that I didn't right. Meanwhile, they're probably in the
car talking about like like they're so light where it is. Well, also,
just like that group of girls I feel like is
just like goofy and doesn't even like talk shit like that.
But even if Lindsay said they're going to use it
against me and Carl said like, well, I don't even
(17:11):
give a fuck about that, that even that doesn't justify
what she then did.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
So what she then did is squint look and Carl
says their faces were close together, look at him and
go what are you on? And he's like, what nothing,
I'm sober, And she's like, what are you on? So
then they get to the club. Amanda takes some notes
as Lindsay tells her, I think he's on drugs. I
(17:38):
think he's on something. I think he's on something. So
we see Lindsay get back to the house and who's
her friend Gabby. She is telling Gabby like, this is
why I don't even want to be around him. This
is her fiance. She gets into bed and she's reading
their text to each other out loud. Carl's texts are
(17:59):
like as if he crafted them with a therapists.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
That is single typo. How are you on drugs and
you don't have a single typo? And also keep in
mind his brother died of a drug overdose and he
has had like an extensive sobriety journey on camera. Okay,
go on, he is.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Texting her, maybe after a RESTful night of sleep, we
can talk about each of our experiences of the conversation. Yeah,
Like I've frankly never had a partner be so measured
in talking about a fight before. Like usually I feel
like men just want to like skate over it or
not address it or like get it over with. He's
literally talking about, like how can we have a constructive
(18:39):
conversation about what happened? She goes, let me know when
you're sober, and she's reading these texts out loud as.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
If like she and she's slurring, and.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
He goes, I'm sober, Lindsey, you're not period? Yeah, And
she goes, you're sober maybe now? Not before you were
so mean to me and she's literally crying. You're like,
I hate diagnosing people, but she is there's something up,
like like he's not on something. She's probably on adderall
(19:12):
or something, and there's something mentally up. There's something, there's
something bru and she's crying, being like this is cocaine. Carl,
like this is something is the way he spoke to me, And.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Meanwhile Gabby is like not able to follow at all,
and she's like, I think it was a brilliant move
that Gabby was like, I'm gonna call him. Yeah. She
was basically saying like and he sounds completely sober like
and I think she's friends with both of them as
a couple, and it seems like maybe she sees that
Carl is like the more stable, reasonable one, because she
was like, I'm a hundred percent well, he sounds sober.
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And it honestly made Lindsay look really bad that she
called him because he did sound completely sober and normal.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yes, completely sober like Measure and norm. It's crazy. And
then we get the next morning scene, which again, I
my stomach was like twisted into nods watching this. It's
so crazy and I'm going to jump back a couple
of seasons ago. So my friend is rewatching Summerhouse from
(20:21):
the beginning, which again I highly recommend. We see a
scene where Lindsay was hooking up with a guy and
he left a beach party without saying goodbye to her. Again,
something up, maybe I would be upset by, like, wait,
he just left without saying goodbye. She calls him and
is like, hey, what's happening? So you just left? You
left without saying goodbye. You don't leave Lindsay, So what
(20:42):
are you talking about? Okay, well you have fun with that?
Like she is completely out of her mind. Yeah, And
the guy is like, whoaa, please don't talk to me
this way, Like you can tell that he is overwhelmed.
And so basically what I'm saying is, there's, like you said,
definitely street of her going from zero to one hundred.
So the morning after, she brings the water into a
(21:07):
water bottle into the bedroom where Carl is sleeping. She goes,
here's the water, if you want some, and he goes,
I'm actually good on water, but thank you, and she goes,
just say thank you, But that was a.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Move of like, because you're so hungover, probably here's the water.
I'm like, I cannot believe that's what she starts with.
And by the way, the move is wait, sorry, I'm
getting a spam call. The move of her coming in
giving the water and then immediately getting into the bed
that was interesting. I was like, wait, your fight mode
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is to get like cause I think because it's like
conflict is so not stressful to her. It comes so
naturally to her that she's literally lying in bed and
saying the most hurtful things ever. And he's like standing
up and getting activated and being like I need to
like go outside and like go for a run or something.
But she's literally like lazis in bed, is like what
you don't want water? You could just say thank you?
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And then she's basically like what did she say? She's like,
you're upset at me, and he's like, yeah, I am upset.
And then she's like she.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Goes, why did you say I'm sober right now? And
he's like, are you kidding me, Lindsey, I am sober?
And then and then immediately she goes to victimum. She's like,
why are you yelling at me? Why are you screaming
at me? I don't scream And he's like, I'm frustrated.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
And he's like, you're allowed to get frustrated, You're allowed
to get upset. She's like, but I don't scream. First
of all, yes you do. We've seen it a million times.
But second of all, like that is such the mentality
of being with someone who is so up and down
like that, Like you're like, okay, so when I have
a problem, you're the victim, but any other moment, you're
allowed to be like completely activated. And like he's just
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so used to receiving the brunt of her feelings.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It's very The whole thing was so scary to me,
and I was like, and he even says in his confessional,
I'm supposed to marry this person. Yeah, Like this is
the person who's like, quote unquote your biggest supporter. It's
so wild. And I've been in my early twenties and like,
my god, and I think when I was maybe nineteen twenty,
(23:16):
I was with someone who was very antagonistic, and it
is alarming because you're always scared of setting that person off.
And I think i'd like to talk about Lindsay Moore
because I do think sometimes the girls are like so
mean to her and I feel bad for her. For instance,
(23:37):
everyone a couple of seasons ago, Lindsay has a miscarriage
and everyone is like, you're sleeping with too many people.
You had a miscarriage, and that's why you're acting this way,
and she's just like she even says to Luke, like, Luke,
have you been dating women? How many women have you dated?
And he's like a handful, and she's like right, So
why is everyone like being obsessed with me dating people
(23:59):
and like sleeping with people.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Another time that I was on Lindsay's side was when
Danielle was upset that Carl was proposing, and there was
basically the whole last season was Danielle is upset that
she's not a part of the engagement, which I think
is crazy when you get proposed to if I'm not involved,
Like can you imagine me being like Devin, I'm really
upset that, like like at your engagement party.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Why didn't he tell me that he was going to
do that?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Why didn't your boyfriend tell me he was going to
do that? Going up to everyone at your engagement party
being like I didn't know about this. I think Danielle
is in love with Lindsay perchance, Like that's the only
way I can understand her behavior because she's so upset,
and a party was like, is this for a storyline?
Is this for a camera? But she is saw bang
(24:46):
When her and Lindsay have like a breakup fight and
Lindsay's totally normal.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
It's reminiscent of another Bravo friendship by trying to think, well,
I know, I'm like, I'm trying go back in my
rolodex of my brain and think like there was another
Bravo friendship where it was like, why are you so
like I don't know if it was Bethany and Carroll,
but it was like, yeah, this unhealthy dynamic of like
Lindsay's problems become Danielle's problems and Danielle kind of feasts
(25:14):
on that. And like when when Carl and Lindsay broke up,
I knew within seconds Danielle was gonna be posting stories
with Lindsay and she was, and now they're like best
friends again, and it is interesting Danielle does not seem
upset about after watching Winterhouse and this. She doesn't seem
fazed by her breakup with that guy at all, Like
she's like, yeah, I know, I saw him yeah, he's
(25:35):
in town. And I'm like, what, so you don't care
about this guy you were living with and the breakup
that no one can explain. But she's like hard to
even be in the same place with Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, Lindsay is like, you're not my friend the way
that you treated me this summer, meaning like Danielle's talking
shit about Carl, talking shit about the relationship, like and
Danielle has no defense. She just keeps going, oh are
you kidding me? And bursting into tea and so it
makes no sense. And I was on Lindsay's side, and
all the girls are like rowling around and yelling like
she's crazy, And I'm like, I don't think she's crazy
(26:09):
in the situation. I just think that she wants people
like supporting her in this relationship. But and this so
I have been on Lindsay's side before, but in this
iteration of her yelling at her sober boyfriend's claiming she's
he's on something when he's quite frankly, one of the
most reasonable boyfriends I've seen on a reality TV show
(26:30):
during a fight and clearly sober and clearly scared of her,
It's hard to be I suddenly was like I appreciate
the fact that he called off the wedding.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
By the way, in the footage they showed at the
beginning of episode one, like he says, you are gonna
turn this into you being a victim, and I know
you are, And yes, I do sort of relate to
that because I have broken up with someone who tried
to do that. Even though like something like this happened
where it's like we broke up. I think I've told
(27:13):
the story about this thing that happened when we went
to a wedding together and he like wouldn't speak to me,
like left me in a hotel room by myself all
this stuff and said he like wasn't available to talk
to me until he like processed how selfish. I was also.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Sorry that I had to recount to Will Ferrell who
listened to me like rapped.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
And by the way, that makes me so happy to
know that famous people don't like this X of mine
because he's so starfuckery. But whatever, that's beside the point.
But like when I broke up with him, I knew
he was going to pull this thing of like Devin
blindsided me, Like I'm so confused, Like he just and
I'm like, right, I broke up with you because I
(27:53):
had to not because like you're the victim and I'm
dumping you. But I knew he was gonna make it
I've been dumped instead of like my behavior was so
awful that this person who tried to make it work
with me for years finally had to be like this
is too painful, and.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
This is I need to survive. This is a survival
instinct me breaking up with you.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, Like I suddenly was like no more, no more
enough for the second time. So I think that is
where Carl was coming from when he's like, I know
you're gonna turn this into the victim. And at Bravo
con everyone was asking him like the roles did seem
sort of like oh okay, Scanaval part two, and he
kept saying like, I think people will watch the season,
but this has been like one of the hardest things
(28:32):
I've been through, And it was like sincere it's obviously
not the same as like Tom Sandoval crying with his
like fucking awful lightning bolt earring and being like everyone's
mean to me and says I'm a word with a mustache,
like Carl was genuinely being like, this is one of
the hardest things I've ever had to go through. And
I believe him, but I bet he feels so rideem
(28:52):
because the reddits and I was reading the reddits and
a lot of them said similar to you. People posted
saying like I was always on Lindsay's side ever since
ever it, and like, but this is just too far
and leveraging someone's sobriety against them and playing with something
that is so core to a person's like mental health
(29:15):
is so awful. And she gets mad at him for
apologizing by saying like, I'm sorry you felt that way,
and a lot of people in the comments, which I
felt the same way. It's like, I do hate that
when people do that, like they're like, oh, well, I'm
sorry if you felt that, But in this case, their
realities were so different from each other, like the that
(29:35):
was the only thing to say, that was the only
say And by the way, she posted basically the same
thing on her Instagram story after the episode came out,
like like, I'm sorry if anyone felt like my words
were too harsh or whatever, but I was going through
a really hard time. It's like, by the way, like, oh,
can you just say thank you for the water. Can
you just say I'm sorry I did something awful, you
(29:58):
know what I mean? Yes, And Carl was sober, Like
that's like a good person despite everything they went through.
It's like, just say, and he was sober and I
shouldn't have questioned it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Like he even says I'm confessional. He's like I'm shaking
as I'm recounting this, and it's like, oh, I actually
believe him, Like this is really difficult to.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Can you imagine like someone's saying that to you in
an argument, like wait, are you on something?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
No, that would be so triggering and not triggering this
instead of like my sobriety, but more triggering and like
oh my god, like what are you thinking? Like how
how do you see me?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
It's so invalidating and it's so upsetting, but of course,
because it's bravo, this is it to be continued.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I hated that. I was like I need I need more,
I need more.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Of course she also goes like and the weekend's ruined
like that mentality of like, oh, by the way, the
weekends ruined, and he's like, as you decided it is,
which like that is such an accurate thing of like
and by the way, I relate to that as me
as my most toxic self before, like any self improvement
is like okay, great, so everything's ruined, and it's like
because that's the way you're thinking about it, and because
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you're not happy, and she's like, I just want to leave.
She wanted to leave the whole time. She never wanted
to be there, Like now she's getting what she wants
because she's like, well, I just want to leave because
she's uncomfortable. All this had to happen just because she
was uncomfortable, basically, like her wedding is called off because
she was uncomfortable. Also because no one could be in
a relationship with someone who's that, you know, conflict oriented.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
But I know I And in the beginning of episode
one of the season, they have, of course, like a
mini snapshot of their breakup and she goes, I want
you to be happy, and he goes, I'm not happy
and I don't think you are, which I think is
also something that like breakups kind of call out when
you're in a breakup is like we're not happy, right,
whoever is doing it? You know, Like I've heard of
(32:03):
so many people who are blindsided. So there's definitely that
experience where we're like, wait, I thought everything was great
and this person just like pulled the rug out from
under me. But I think in every relationship I've almost
every relationship I've been in, the breakups have been the
like the truth comes out of like, yeah, we're just
trying to get by and we're not happy. And I
(32:26):
think that's what he was doing there, which was like,
if you're fighting this much, if your fights are like
that like that, then it's time to go.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
It's really time to go. Oh my god, it's so
good though, it's so good. And then meanwhile we have
the West. I loved that sexual at tension moment with
West and Sierra where they're like about to kiss and
then she's like Okay, let's go to bed, and she's
like I'll dream of you, and then he gets nervous
and goes, h okay be you.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh my god, I was so cute.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
And then he said, which I totally agree with, to Kyle,
He's like, I like like that. It's like kind of fun.
The waiting, like it's so true. It's like they're like
the sexual tension is so fun where you're like wait,
what's gonna happen, Like, is something gonna happen? And so
that's really cute. It does bother me that Sierra is like, well,
he's a funny guy, and I've been with funny guys before,
(33:18):
and it's like, meanwhile.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
They cut back to Austin saying like the dumbest like
not even a joke. He's just like I swear I'm
willing to stare at your face when she's wearing like
a hot outfit. You're like that, No, you were never
with the funny guy.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, and then West is like really charming and interesting,
but he's not a comedian. I mean, like his humor
was being like I'm gonna give her that vitamin D.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, the girls are laughing so hard at West. You're like, wow,
you guys are around such boring people that like someone
kind of funny comes into the picture, even though I
do have a really big crush on him and like
he is exactly the kind of guy I go for.
You know, he's got he whears jewelry. No, I love
the dumb mustache. I love that he's like kind of chubby, Like,
I love.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
That he he's funny.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, I thought he's actually really hilarious. Oh, he's actually
really funny. No. I love when Sierra is talking to
Danielle and Danielle's showing a picture of a guy she
kissed and Sierra goes, you love those skinny guys and
your westerns around and He's like, you like big guys. Oh,
and I was like, oh my god, it's I can't
believe that Sierra is not going for it. Like Page
(34:20):
was like, all, are you going to let him into
your world? And Siera's like, probably not, No, she needs
to I know.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And Jesse Solomon is like only interested in Page because
I mean Jesse Solomon, yes, we have to admit, is
like extremely attractive just biologically he's very hot, but he
has he's too hot. He's he's too hot, like there's
no world in which he's he like can he would
want to earn anything? And I just think to be
(34:48):
with straightment, it's easier when they feel like they have
to earn something from you.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Can I say something?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And this is a shout out to my favorite boyfriend,
Yoni Schuera, who you know, we send our love as always.
He looks like Yonie. Interesting, he looks like my ex
boyfriend who it clearly like when I was dating this guy,
I felt like I was like he had a six pack,
like I felt like I had won the lottery.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
He was very attractive. Well, but Yoni would never do
what Jesse does, which is say like he's only attracted
to girls that he can't have boyfriends.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
He was like, yeah, there's a lot of girls out there,
and some of them are the best. Ones typically have boyfriends.
Me and my other single friend were watching this and
we're like, fuck you, Like now I.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Think you And he's like flirting with Paige. I don't
like that, and maybe Craig will have something to say
about that when Craig comes to town. I hope. By
the way, I hope Craig comes to town, but he
always does.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I love Craig. I hate that he has probably voted Republican.
It makes me so sad because he, I think, is
such a sweet teddy bear.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I think he's probably voted like in Limentarian, Yeah, which
is worse. He thinks he thinks pandas don't exist or
something like. That's tough.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
It's so hard because he's so in love with Paige,
and I think it's so cute, Like I was watching
all the episodes where he was like, I'm scared because
I don't think I'll ever date to someone I like
as much as you and you duh.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I know she's so confident.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's like she's sod and like kind of mean to him.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I know, And it's like something that like some of
us have to work years to get to that level,
and I think she just has it. But I cannot
wait to see more will be revealed, and the fact
that it's only episode two, we have so much ahead
of us, Like.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I get so much ahead of us.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I can't wait. And also, let me just say that
this is going to come out the day after the
finale episode of Love is Blind, and I predict that
every single one of the couples is going to get
married and stay together. And I don't think that's a
good thing. I think that's actually horrible for the world.
But it is going to happen, So I'm excited. So
(36:58):
I'm excited for that. I'm excited for I'm excited for more.
And the one thing I'm not excited for more of
is more of vander Pump Rules, because it's truly a
chore at this point, like and I'm also so hard.
This season of vander Pump Rules is so bad that
I'm like, actually, like Scandaval wasn't even bad, Like that's
where I'm at. I'm like, you know what, he cheated
(37:18):
on you? Who gives a fuck? Like he slept with
your friend. The worst crime he did is recording Raquel
without her permission.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
But I'm like with Arianna, I'm like, all right, Like,
can we just move on from this? It's like we're
all adults, They've all each been through something worse probably
than that, and I'm just kind of over it and
I'm over like, but I do like watching the relationship
dynamics of like Brock and Hino. That's like basically the
most interesting part of the show, which is saying a lot.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It really is. I have been. I've been watching it
like a chore. I'm like, Okay, the best part of
the season so far is Graham Cracker Graham Dog with
Raquel coming back.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
That is interesting because like he doesn't seem like an
aggressive dog at all.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I know I've had the same thought, so I'm curious
to what happened.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I love all the needles are we love Ali a
star is born Star is born in Allie. But she's like,
I don't like when the dog's barking at my cats.
I was like, I get you. So that's when I
empathize with her.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Well, we will certainly keep up to date on Summer House,
the easiest show to keep watching, and I will have
more things to say as we go to Bachelor Hometowns
this week, which I'm very excited about.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I haven't been keeping up is good.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
It's so fucking good.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
All right, I gotta keep up.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
We'll have Let's just say, there's a lot to talk
about with Maria, one of my favorite contestants in such
a long time. Oh my god, who has a breakdown,
tells him that she's not going to kiss him because's
kissed other girls, and then kisses him one second later.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Hah love that behavior.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Speaking of love, Devin, I love you, Love you, Carol.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I involunted was a little love. I want true. It's true,
true said so romantic love me, baby, I don't leave me, haggin.
(39:26):
I want true
Ohed Hello and welcome to true Romance.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is Carolina Barlow.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
This is Devin Damn Leary and not the football player.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
If you google Devin Leary, the first thing you see
is just a football player. And I know how much
that's hurt you, and I know that how much that
is just chipped away at your self esteem.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Well, it's also like something's going on with this guy. No,
something's going on with this Devin Leary guy, because people
keep texting these screenshots and I'm like, he's just not
even good looking, like.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
For a football player especially, But I the first thing
that happens to you Google me is Carolina left hand accident,
which you know what really well, that's like, you know
when that's the suggested googles mineus.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Wait, Devin Leary, Yeah, football quarterback, years of eligibility what
Devin Leary forty times Devn Leary NFL draft? Okay, yeah,
I mean it's better than like Devon Leary racist incident,
you know what I mean, Like, that's so true. Carolina Barlow,
(01:20):
Gloria Sanchez, that's the first thing I'm seeing, Okay, Carolina Barlow,
Ron Burgundy. Okay, So basically you're standing in the shadow
of a man and I you step out of it.
I recommend you step out of it, because some of
us don't have a choice of steping out of that shadow.
Because I don't even know this football guy, and I'm like,
(01:42):
how do I get out of there? I guess I
have to do something that breaks the internet. As the
kids say, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You get completely naked in front of a champagne glass
like kim k Okay, the answer is get completely naked.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Okay. Well, we have so much to talk about from
the most explosive episode. And by the way, this is
episode two of Summerhouse season eight, episode very two, and honestly,
it to me is more explosive than scanned of all
in some ways.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I get a text from Devin that's like, you need
to watch episode like Summerhouse episode two. I'm shook. I immediately
raced to my couch, which I do quite often, and
I was already excited to watch episode two. Because for
those of you who are not caught up, we for
those of you who don't read the news, Lindsay and
(02:36):
Carl have called off their engagement. They called it off
very late, like like weeks before they're getting married. People
had to pay for hotel rooms like it was that
close to their wedding date. And besides that, in episode one,
we already are seeing Kyle and Amanda and their horri
fic marriage as we recapped in a previous episode. So
(03:00):
episode two of Summerhouse, first off, we see Kyle and
Amanda's horrific relationship and I felt this like in my chest,
I felt this in my stomach, I felt this in
my bone.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's too real.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's too real. It really is like being around a
couple that you know needs to break up. Like she
everything he says, She's like whatever. He basically says, I'm
gonna take a shower, and she goes, okay, take a shower,
but don't just hang out downstairs? Why don't you do
that before we leave? And then she he's like, okay,
(03:37):
why are you so mad at me? And she's like,
why am I annoyed with you?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I am. And then basically she says, if you're not
ready to leave, I'm gonna go in another car. And
you can tell that his face like drops, like he
sees how serious this fight they're having is. And he's like,
you're gonna leave in another car and she's like, yeah,
if you're not ready to leave, I'm gonna leave in
another car. And he goes fucking asshole and he goes good, fine,
like fine, find your own way home, like when we're
(04:01):
there already, like to me, the year like.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Bying up to that, we can I just say one
thing I noticed something this rewatch.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yes we watch these episodes twice.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yes, we are scholars, we're scholarly ass Meanwhile, I'm in
school and I like didn't even do a homework assignment.
And then I googled, like is a D plus passing?
And was like, oh, I guess I just won't do
the assignment then. And I hope to become a college
graduate some day. Okay, but this is the thing every
I forgot that sometimes I forget that. Everything comes back
(04:43):
to the trauma of Kyle cheating over Andy, and he
brought it up this episode. He's like, well that last year,
it was like he got because remember she went into
that trauma place last year on like the first night,
he got so blackout that he like didn't come home
till like and she's like texting and calling him and
like crying in that trauma place.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
She just throwing her stuff around, puts his puts all
of his belongings outside, which I respected. That's the thing
someone who goes to you know, ten, I think she.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Has trauma that she hasn't explored from childhood that she
replayed by being in a relationship or well well by
being in a situationship with Kyle in the beginning where
he would like only text her at two in the
morning when he's drunk, and then she like ends up
in a relationship with him and he cheats on her
over and over again. She's just reliving a cycle of trauma.
(05:35):
And that's like the level of crying that I'm recognizing,
and I relate to it so much, where you just
like go to this place of like, oh my god,
it's happening again. It's happening again. Oh my god. And
so that is at play. And then meanwhile, like, there
is nothing that frustrates me more than even being with
friends who are like dilly dowing around. Like I remember
(05:56):
I went out with friends after my friend's wedding and
and I was like, who is staying the same hotel
as me? And I was like, okay, I don't want to,
Like I'm going to go straight back to the hotel
and they're like no, no, no, We're only going to get
one drink. And I was like, okay, but like promise
it's only one drink because otherwise I'm just gonna go
to the hotel by myself. Meanwhile, they're just like dillydallying,
like talking about and I'm like no. Or when you're
(06:18):
with someone and you're leaving a party and they insist
on saying goodbye to like eight million people in eight
different ways, it's like, I just want to go.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So this is from my own trauma of having my
mom run into friends with the supermarket and us not
being able to leave right away, like traum, I ah
the fastest person to get ready I get I would
rather look like shit and leave quickly than get ready
and look nice.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I like to leave without saying bye to a single person.
That's mine the best. Yeah, that's like the one benefit
of being sober when other people are drinking is that
I'm like, no one is going to remember if I
say bye or not, so bye, I'm out goodbye. And
but this is the thing he is. He goes downstairs
after she said I really want you to get even
though she didn't say the right way. But she's like,
I want I need to get ready fast. He could
(07:03):
have just taken like she said, She's like, okay, hop
in the shower now. Like basically he woke up and
said I'm gonna want a shower before we leave, and
she's like, okay, then get in the shower now. Why
doesn't he? Instead he goes downstairs like has breakfast and
he's like, bro, send it now, bro, And I'm like,
all right, So that would drive me crazy too. And
then Page comes up and she's like he's been talking.
(07:24):
But that's where it gets dark. She's like, he is
basically talking shit about me when he's the one who,
like I think, for her, it's like he's the one
talking shit about me and saying I'm not ready for
kids when he's the one who cheated on me multiple times.
It is an alcoholic, Like I think that's where.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Is Yeah, that's the sublimental messaging. But I I didn't
think when Page relayed the conversation she had with Kyle
to her, I didn't think it sounded like Kyle was
talking shit about her. She literally was just saying like
he's scared to buy a house and have kids and
Amanda goes great, then go be single and you're like, oh,
you are in another level. Like if someone came up
(08:01):
to me and they were like, your boyfriend's scared of
having kids and buying house, I'd be like, great, me too.
It's a scary thing. Doesn't sound like we're ready for it,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I mean, paget scared of doing that with Craig and
like you, But I don't want to do that right
now exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I don't think it's like a I don't think it
means anything about the relationship. I think it means just
about where you are in life. But I think Amanda
hates Kyle. That is the problem. I think she hates him.
I think she's mad at him, and I think she
hates the way he is period. And so that's what
I think the root of their fights are. And I
(08:37):
think they're also friends, like they like talking about each other.
I know we've talked a lot about how Craig is
a great housewife, Kyle is also a great housewife. Like
he's always conscious of the cameras. He's always asking the
other guys like, so do you like Sierra? Ye's true,
that's true. Girls girls together like she's the one who's
(08:58):
going and gossiping about Lindsay to Kyle.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But I thought she was a cute moment. I will say, like,
to me, that was romance when she's like okay, so
at the club, Lindsay said this, but Kyle was just like, yeah,
I told her she needs to chill out. I'm like, okay,
this is serious, like pay attention. But it was cute.
They bonded over that, and then they got in bed
and held hands while they fell. Yeah, that's cute. That
was cute.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So it's like what we want, that's what we want.
Maybe there's something to salvage here, but overall, I agree
there's some trauma she needs to work through. But watching
them fight like that and then of course they make
up for the cameras and have like this like fake
ass dinner together where she's like, well, I'm going to
be a good mom and he's like, of course, they're
going to be a good mom. And that's what I
(09:40):
realized too during this dinner is there's so much happening
off camera, Like I think he's even worse off camera
because she's like, you point out things I'm doing wrong
all the time, and I have to look for your
stuff all the time, and all you know. Basically, when
she's talking to Paige, she's like, all he does is
like point out things I'm doing wrong, and I'm so
sick of it and I have a feeling. And she
(10:00):
mentions that to see her On page two, she says,
like he takes out his work stress on me, Yeah,
which I think is very common with men. I I mean,
it's so funny because like I feel like women are
stressed out all the time. It's like I'm stressed out
all the time. I serious, I wonder what my life
would be without stress and fear, Like I think my
(10:22):
PTSD just makes me scared of worst case scenarios play
in my head all the time. I dream about car accidents,
Like I am just like a fragile person. I have
never taken this out on a boyfriend. If anything, My
problem is that I don't share what's going on with Yes. Meanwhile,
a man is yet like yeah, half yelling at me
about his frustrations with work. Yes, And so I'm sure
(10:45):
that's what Amanda's going through. I can almost say for
certainty that's what she's going through anyway, So they make
up for cameras, but that is just like a quarter
of episode two exactly. That's beginning, nothing compared to what
we are seeing an episode two.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
The first time I watched it, I was like, wait,
is this gonna happen in the same episode, like, because
I I saw like headlines that was like Lindsay calls
out Carl Radkey or whatever, and I was like, wait,
that can't be happening in this episode though, and little
do we know. So first of all, I loved this
(11:35):
is the first time I've been to the Summerhouse read it,
but I had to like see what people were saying.
Like I was like, tititalated like that within two seconds
of when you texted me. I watched the episode. I
was like, Okay, great, and this is the theory and
this is the blah blah blah. Like I was like,
we need to get into this because but like people
were pointing out how over the top, like this is
(11:55):
the thing because remember when Carl is like, I'm not
gonna call you babe at the house and she's like, oh,
so you hear what other people think.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
This is one of my favorite parts is the basketball scene.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
But let me say that, remember last season, how over
the top. They were with babe, babe, I love you
so much, I love you so like there's something so
fake about their romantic connection. And she's literally showing up
at the basketball thaying.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Like ooh hoty ooh, oh ow ow, you're so hot,
Oh my god, you're so hot, handsome, dunk whatever, and
it's like, that's not normal when you've been in a
long term relationship, is it?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
So they this is like a monster movie where you
can see small glimpses of like a shark. Fin Yes,
we see them sitting together at the basketball court and
he says babe, and then he says, sorry, I'm not
gonna call you babe this summer. I'm gonna call you dude.
And she goes you suddenly see her face go into
darkness and she's like, but you call me babe at
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the house right Why would you say that? And he's like,
I'm joking and the joke didn't land. You already see
their dynamic, like he has to be why he is
walking on egg shells. She is quick to like go
dark really quickly. Yes, so automatically, I was like, I
understand this relationship. It scares me. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Cut to.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They're at the house. This is another part. This is
another Shark inciting. They're at the house and basically she
gets a room that you can see that she really
doesn't like, and he's like, are you okay? And she
goes good vibes, good vibes. It is like the Shaka
bra sign on him and he's like, okay, so are
you okay? No aggressive, Nope, good vibes. And you're like,
(13:33):
this is already West. Who is my new favorite summer
house star. I think they finally found someone who deserves
to join the main caste. He's literally stitting in between
it and he looks like he's watching his parents fight.
He's like, oh, so, you know what, I'm just going
to get out of here. And again with sharkanciting, like
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I even recounting it, I'm like, oh my god, my
parents getting divorced again. It's like so tends to watch.
Cut to finally the fight that almost I think this
is the fight that starts like initiates this breakup, like
it's that serious where we see them leave for the club.
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I'm upset that cameras aren't following. I really think that
we deserved cameras in you know, a white sprender van.
At this point, I haven't been so disappointed that cameras
weren't watching this since you know, Kathy Hilton an Aspen like,
I'm like, where are the cameras when we need them?
Supposedly and recounting the events, Lindsey tells Carl in the car,
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I'm scared that it's going to be held against me
that I'm traveling with the boys instead of the girls,
and Carl says to her and his recounting, it's okay, babe,
don't worry about it. And her recounting, she says, he
completely shut me down. And then in Jesse Saw and
(15:00):
Kyle are like Lindsay went from like zero to one
hundred and like one second.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I do struggle with like a girl being in a
car full of men and her like reality being questioned, right,
But it's case by case, and in this case, Lindsay
has been one of the most unreasonable people I've ever
watched on television, and every single like cast member has
basically said they have to have a completely boundaried relationship
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with her because she's so unstable. And she on Reddit too,
people were saying, like she like lied. First of all,
she like lied about being I guess in the first
few seasons she lied about being in pr Like she
like made up a company that she works for and
someone posted her LinkedIn and she was a publicist for
(15:49):
the Women's Zionist organization. I mean like not to go there.
But someone was just like what, like what is this okay?
And then meanwhile, we've seen her in several different relationships,
and in every single relationship we've seen her in on
the show, she is the calm denominator of toxicity. I mean,
I think the first guy she was with was kind
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of toxic too. So that and also she did come
into the house so even to West, who was being nice,
she's like, I've been in this house for many She's like,
is the room hot? And he's like, ah, you could
go feel the time she her and she goes, well,
I've been in this house for many years. It's like, well,
you just asked him a question. Like so that also,
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Carl seemed completely sober when he left and when he
came back and on the phone, I thought it was okay,
Well I'm getting ahead of myself, but I'm just saying yeah,
her and by the way, even if what she said happened,
like even if she was like, oh, I'm like worried
that the and by the way the way she phrased that,
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even like the girls are going to use it against
me that I didn't right. Meanwhile, they're probably in the
car talking about like like they're so light where it is. Well, also,
just like that group of girls I feel like is
just like goofy and doesn't even like talk shit like that.
But even if Lindsay said they're going to use it
against me and Carl said like, well, I don't even
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give a fuck about that, that even that doesn't justify
what she then did.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
So what she then did is squint look and Carl
says their faces were close together, look at him and
go what are you on? And he's like, what nothing,
I'm sober, And she's like, what are you on? So
then they get to the club. Amanda takes some notes
as Lindsay tells her, I think he's on drugs. I
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think he's on something. I think he's on something. So
we see Lindsay get back to the house and who's
her friend Gabby. She is telling Gabby like, this is
why I don't even want to be around him. This
is her fiance. She gets into bed and she's reading
their text to each other out loud. Carl's texts are
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like as if he crafted them with a therapists.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
That is single typo. How are you on drugs and
you don't have a single typo? And also keep in
mind his brother died of a drug overdose and he
has had like an extensive sobriety journey on camera. Okay,
go on, he is.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Texting her, maybe after a RESTful night of sleep, we
can talk about each of our experiences of the conversation. Yeah,
Like I've frankly never had a partner be so measured
in talking about a fight before. Like usually I feel
like men just want to like skate over it or
not address it or like get it over with. He's
literally talking about, like how can we have a constructive
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conversation about what happened? She goes, let me know when
you're sober, and she's reading these texts out loud as.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
If like she and she's slurring, and.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
He goes, I'm sober, Lindsey, you're not period? Yeah, And
she goes, you're sober maybe now? Not before you were
so mean to me and she's literally crying. You're like,
I hate diagnosing people, but she is there's something up,
like like he's not on something. She's probably on adderall
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or something, and there's something mentally up. There's something, there's
something bru and she's crying, being like this is cocaine. Carl,
like this is something is the way he spoke to me, And.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Meanwhile Gabby is like not able to follow at all,
and she's like, I think it was a brilliant move
that Gabby was like, I'm gonna call him. Yeah. She
was basically saying like and he sounds completely sober like
and I think she's friends with both of them as
a couple, and it seems like maybe she sees that
Carl is like the more stable, reasonable one, because she
was like, I'm a hundred percent well, he sounds sober.
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And it honestly made Lindsay look really bad that she
called him because he did sound completely sober and normal.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yes, completely sober like Measure and norm. It's crazy. And
then we get the next morning scene, which again, I
my stomach was like twisted into nods watching this. It's
so crazy and I'm going to jump back a couple
of seasons ago. So my friend is rewatching Summerhouse from
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the beginning, which again I highly recommend. We see a
scene where Lindsay was hooking up with a guy and
he left a beach party without saying goodbye to her. Again,
something up, maybe I would be upset by, like, wait,
he just left without saying goodbye. She calls him and
is like, hey, what's happening? So you just left? You
left without saying goodbye. You don't leave Lindsay, So what
(20:42):
are you talking about? Okay, well you have fun with that?
Like she is completely out of her mind. Yeah, And
the guy is like, whoaa, please don't talk to me
this way, Like you can tell that he is overwhelmed.
And so basically what I'm saying is, there's, like you said,
definitely street of her going from zero to one hundred.
So the morning after, she brings the water into a
(21:07):
water bottle into the bedroom where Carl is sleeping. She goes,
here's the water, if you want some, and he goes,
I'm actually good on water, but thank you, and she goes,
just say thank you, But that was a.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Move of like, because you're so hungover, probably here's the water.
I'm like, I cannot believe that's what she starts with.
And by the way, the move is wait, sorry, I'm
getting a spam call. The move of her coming in
giving the water and then immediately getting into the bed
that was interesting. I was like, wait, your fight mode
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is to get like cause I think because it's like
conflict is so not stressful to her. It comes so
naturally to her that she's literally lying in bed and
saying the most hurtful things ever. And he's like standing
up and getting activated and being like I need to
like go outside and like go for a run or something.
But she's literally like lazis in bed, is like what
you don't want water? You could just say thank you?
(22:02):
And then she's basically like what did she say? She's like,
you're upset at me, and he's like, yeah, I am upset.
And then she's like she.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Goes, why did you say I'm sober right now? And
he's like, are you kidding me, Lindsey, I am sober?
And then and then immediately she goes to victimum. She's like,
why are you yelling at me? Why are you screaming
at me? I don't scream And he's like, I'm frustrated.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
And he's like, you're allowed to get frustrated, You're allowed
to get upset. She's like, but I don't scream. First
of all, yes you do. We've seen it a million times.
But second of all, like that is such the mentality
of being with someone who is so up and down
like that, Like you're like, okay, so when I have
a problem, you're the victim, but any other moment, you're
allowed to be like completely activated. And like he's just
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so used to receiving the brunt of her feelings.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It's very The whole thing was so scary to me,
and I was like, and he even says in his confessional,
I'm supposed to marry this person. Yeah, Like this is
the person who's like, quote unquote your biggest supporter. It's
so wild. And I've been in my early twenties and like,
my god, and I think when I was maybe nineteen twenty,
(23:16):
I was with someone who was very antagonistic, and it
is alarming because you're always scared of setting that person off.
And I think i'd like to talk about Lindsay Moore
because I do think sometimes the girls are like so
mean to her and I feel bad for her. For instance,
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everyone a couple of seasons ago, Lindsay has a miscarriage
and everyone is like, you're sleeping with too many people.
You had a miscarriage, and that's why you're acting this way,
and she's just like she even says to Luke, like, Luke,
have you been dating women? How many women have you dated?
And he's like a handful, and she's like right, So
why is everyone like being obsessed with me dating people
(23:59):
and like sleeping with people.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Another time that I was on Lindsay's side was when
Danielle was upset that Carl was proposing, and there was
basically the whole last season was Danielle is upset that
she's not a part of the engagement, which I think
is crazy when you get proposed to if I'm not involved,
Like can you imagine me being like Devin, I'm really
upset that, like like at your engagement party.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Why didn't he tell me that he was going to
do that?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Why didn't your boyfriend tell me he was going to
do that? Going up to everyone at your engagement party
being like I didn't know about this. I think Danielle
is in love with Lindsay perchance, Like that's the only
way I can understand her behavior because she's so upset,
and a party was like, is this for a storyline?
Is this for a camera? But she is saw bang
(24:46):
When her and Lindsay have like a breakup fight and
Lindsay's totally normal.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
It's reminiscent of another Bravo friendship by trying to think, well,
I know, I'm like, I'm trying go back in my
rolodex of my brain and think like there was another
Bravo friendship where it was like, why are you so
like I don't know if it was Bethany and Carroll,
but it was like, yeah, this unhealthy dynamic of like
Lindsay's problems become Danielle's problems and Danielle kind of feasts
(25:14):
on that. And like when when Carl and Lindsay broke up,
I knew within seconds Danielle was gonna be posting stories
with Lindsay and she was, and now they're like best
friends again, and it is interesting Danielle does not seem
upset about after watching Winterhouse and this. She doesn't seem
fazed by her breakup with that guy at all, Like
she's like, yeah, I know, I saw him yeah, he's
(25:35):
in town. And I'm like, what, so you don't care
about this guy you were living with and the breakup
that no one can explain. But she's like hard to
even be in the same place with Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, Lindsay is like, you're not my friend the way
that you treated me this summer, meaning like Danielle's talking
shit about Carl, talking shit about the relationship, like and
Danielle has no defense. She just keeps going, oh are
you kidding me? And bursting into tea and so it
makes no sense. And I was on Lindsay's side, and
all the girls are like rowling around and yelling like
she's crazy, And I'm like, I don't think she's crazy
(26:09):
in the situation. I just think that she wants people
like supporting her in this relationship. But and this so
I have been on Lindsay's side before, but in this
iteration of her yelling at her sober boyfriend's claiming she's
he's on something when he's quite frankly, one of the
most reasonable boyfriends I've seen on a reality TV show
(26:30):
during a fight and clearly sober and clearly scared of her,
It's hard to be I suddenly was like I appreciate
the fact that he called off the wedding.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
By the way, in the footage they showed at the
beginning of episode one, like he says, you are gonna
turn this into you being a victim, and I know
you are, And yes, I do sort of relate to
that because I have broken up with someone who tried
to do that. Even though like something like this happened
where it's like we broke up. I think I've told
(27:13):
the story about this thing that happened when we went
to a wedding together and he like wouldn't speak to me,
like left me in a hotel room by myself all
this stuff and said he like wasn't available to talk
to me until he like processed how selfish. I was also.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Sorry that I had to recount to Will Ferrell who
listened to me like rapped.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
And by the way, that makes me so happy to
know that famous people don't like this X of mine
because he's so starfuckery. But whatever, that's beside the point.
But like when I broke up with him, I knew
he was going to pull this thing of like Devin
blindsided me, Like I'm so confused, Like he just and
I'm like, right, I broke up with you because I
(27:53):
had to not because like you're the victim and I'm
dumping you. But I knew he was gonna make it
I've been dumped instead of like my behavior was so
awful that this person who tried to make it work
with me for years finally had to be like this
is too painful, and.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
This is I need to survive. This is a survival
instinct me breaking up with you.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, Like I suddenly was like no more, no more
enough for the second time. So I think that is
where Carl was coming from when he's like, I know
you're gonna turn this into the victim. And at Bravo
con everyone was asking him like the roles did seem
sort of like oh okay, Scanaval part two, and he
kept saying like, I think people will watch the season,
but this has been like one of the hardest things
(28:32):
I've been through, And it was like sincere it's obviously
not the same as like Tom Sandoval crying with his
like fucking awful lightning bolt earring and being like everyone's
mean to me and says I'm a word with a mustache,
like Carl was genuinely being like, this is one of
the hardest things I've ever had to go through. And
I believe him, but I bet he feels so rideem
(28:52):
because the reddits and I was reading the reddits and
a lot of them said similar to you. People posted
saying like I was always on Lindsay's side ever since
ever it, and like, but this is just too far
and leveraging someone's sobriety against them and playing with something
that is so core to a person's like mental health
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is so awful. And she gets mad at him for
apologizing by saying like, I'm sorry you felt that way,
and a lot of people in the comments, which I
felt the same way. It's like, I do hate that
when people do that, like they're like, oh, well, I'm
sorry if you felt that, But in this case, their
realities were so different from each other, like the that
(29:35):
was the only thing to say, that was the only
say And by the way, she posted basically the same
thing on her Instagram story after the episode came out,
like like, I'm sorry if anyone felt like my words
were too harsh or whatever, but I was going through
a really hard time. It's like, by the way, like, oh,
can you just say thank you for the water. Can
you just say I'm sorry I did something awful, you
(29:58):
know what I mean? Yes, And Carl was sober, Like
that's like a good person despite everything they went through.
It's like, just say, and he was sober and I
shouldn't have questioned it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Like he even says I'm confessional. He's like I'm shaking
as I'm recounting this, and it's like, oh, I actually
believe him, Like this is really difficult to.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Can you imagine like someone's saying that to you in
an argument, like wait, are you on something?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
No, that would be so triggering and not triggering this
instead of like my sobriety, but more triggering and like
oh my god, like what are you thinking? Like how
how do you see me?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
It's so invalidating and it's so upsetting, but of course,
because it's bravo, this is it to be continued.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I hated that. I was like I need I need more,
I need more.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Of course she also goes like and the weekend's ruined
like that mentality of like, oh, by the way, the
weekends ruined, and he's like, as you decided it is,
which like that is such an accurate thing of like
and by the way, I relate to that as me
as my most toxic self before, like any self improvement
is like okay, great, so everything's ruined, and it's like
because that's the way you're thinking about it, and because
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you're not happy, and she's like, I just want to leave.
She wanted to leave the whole time. She never wanted
to be there, Like now she's getting what she wants
because she's like, well, I just want to leave because
she's uncomfortable. All this had to happen just because she
was uncomfortable, basically, like her wedding is called off because
she was uncomfortable. Also because no one could be in
a relationship with someone who's that, you know, conflict oriented.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
But I know I And in the beginning of episode
one of the season, they have, of course, like a
mini snapshot of their breakup and she goes, I want
you to be happy, and he goes, I'm not happy
and I don't think you are, which I think is
also something that like breakups kind of call out when
you're in a breakup is like we're not happy, right,
whoever is doing it? You know, Like I've heard of
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so many people who are blindsided. So there's definitely that
experience where we're like, wait, I thought everything was great
and this person just like pulled the rug out from
under me. But I think in every relationship I've almost
every relationship I've been in, the breakups have been the
like the truth comes out of like, yeah, we're just
trying to get by and we're not happy. And I
(32:26):
think that's what he was doing there, which was like,
if you're fighting this much, if your fights are like
that like that, then it's time to go.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
It's really time to go. Oh my god, it's so
good though, it's so good. And then meanwhile we have
the West. I loved that sexual at tension moment with
West and Sierra where they're like about to kiss and
then she's like Okay, let's go to bed, and she's
like I'll dream of you, and then he gets nervous
and goes, h okay be you.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh my god, I was so cute.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
And then he said, which I totally agree with, to Kyle,
He's like, I like like that. It's like kind of fun.
The waiting, like it's so true. It's like they're like
the sexual tension is so fun where you're like wait,
what's gonna happen, Like, is something gonna happen? And so
that's really cute. It does bother me that Sierra is like, well,
he's a funny guy, and I've been with funny guys before,
(33:18):
and it's like, meanwhile.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
They cut back to Austin saying like the dumbest like
not even a joke. He's just like I swear I'm
willing to stare at your face when she's wearing like
a hot outfit. You're like that, No, you were never
with the funny guy.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, and then West is like really charming and interesting,
but he's not a comedian. I mean, like his humor
was being like I'm gonna give her that vitamin D.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, the girls are laughing so hard at West. You're like, wow,
you guys are around such boring people that like someone
kind of funny comes into the picture, even though I
do have a really big crush on him and like
he is exactly the kind of guy I go for.
You know, he's got he whears jewelry. No, I love
the dumb mustache. I love that he's like kind of chubby, Like,
I love.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
That he he's funny.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, I thought he's actually really hilarious. Oh, he's actually
really funny. No. I love when Sierra is talking to
Danielle and Danielle's showing a picture of a guy she
kissed and Sierra goes, you love those skinny guys and
your westerns around and He's like, you like big guys. Oh,
and I was like, oh my god, it's I can't
believe that Sierra is not going for it. Like Page
(34:20):
was like, all, are you going to let him into
your world? And Siera's like, probably not, No, she needs
to I know.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And Jesse Solomon is like only interested in Page because
I mean Jesse Solomon, yes, we have to admit, is
like extremely attractive just biologically he's very hot, but he
has he's too hot. He's he's too hot, like there's
no world in which he's he like can he would
want to earn anything? And I just think to be
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with straightment, it's easier when they feel like they have
to earn something from you.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Can I say something?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And this is a shout out to my favorite boyfriend,
Yoni Schuera, who you know, we send our love as always.
He looks like Yonie. Interesting, he looks like my ex
boyfriend who it clearly like when I was dating this guy,
I felt like I was like he had a six pack,
like I felt like I had won the lottery.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
He was very attractive. Well, but Yoni would never do
what Jesse does, which is say like he's only attracted
to girls that he can't have boyfriends.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
He was like, yeah, there's a lot of girls out there,
and some of them are the best. Ones typically have boyfriends.
Me and my other single friend were watching this and
we're like, fuck you, Like now I.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Think you And he's like flirting with Paige. I don't
like that, and maybe Craig will have something to say
about that when Craig comes to town. I hope. By
the way, I hope Craig comes to town, but he
always does.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I love Craig. I hate that he has probably voted Republican.
It makes me so sad because he, I think, is
such a sweet teddy bear.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I think he's probably voted like in Limentarian, Yeah, which
is worse. He thinks he thinks pandas don't exist or
something like. That's tough.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
It's so hard because he's so in love with Paige,
and I think it's so cute, Like I was watching
all the episodes where he was like, I'm scared because
I don't think I'll ever date to someone I like
as much as you and you duh.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I know she's so confident.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's like she's sod and like kind of mean to him.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I know, And it's like something that like some of
us have to work years to get to that level,
and I think she just has it. But I cannot
wait to see more will be revealed, and the fact
that it's only episode two, we have so much ahead
of us, Like.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I get so much ahead of us.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I can't wait. And also, let me just say that
this is going to come out the day after the
finale episode of Love is Blind, and I predict that
every single one of the couples is going to get
married and stay together. And I don't think that's a
good thing. I think that's actually horrible for the world.
But it is going to happen, So I'm excited. So
(36:58):
I'm excited for that. I'm excited for I'm excited for more.
And the one thing I'm not excited for more of
is more of vander Pump Rules, because it's truly a
chore at this point, like and I'm also so hard.
This season of vander Pump Rules is so bad that
I'm like, actually, like Scandaval wasn't even bad, Like that's
where I'm at. I'm like, you know what, he cheated
(37:18):
on you? Who gives a fuck? Like he slept with
your friend. The worst crime he did is recording Raquel
without her permission.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
But I'm like with Arianna, I'm like, all right, Like,
can we just move on from this? It's like we're
all adults, They've all each been through something worse probably
than that, and I'm just kind of over it and
I'm over like, but I do like watching the relationship
dynamics of like Brock and Hino. That's like basically the
most interesting part of the show, which is saying a lot.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It really is. I have been. I've been watching it
like a chore. I'm like, Okay, the best part of
the season so far is Graham Cracker Graham Dog with
Raquel coming back.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
That is interesting because like he doesn't seem like an
aggressive dog at all.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I know I've had the same thought, so I'm curious
to what happened.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I love all the needles are we love Ali a
star is born Star is born in Allie. But she's like,
I don't like when the dog's barking at my cats.
I was like, I get you. So that's when I
empathize with her.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Well, we will certainly keep up to date on Summer House,
the easiest show to keep watching, and I will have
more things to say as we go to Bachelor Hometowns
this week, which I'm very excited about.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I haven't been keeping up is good.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
It's so fucking good.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
All right, I gotta keep up.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
We'll have Let's just say, there's a lot to talk
about with Maria, one of my favorite contestants in such
a long time. Oh my god, who has a breakdown,
tells him that she's not going to kiss him because's
kissed other girls, and then kisses him one second later.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Hah love that behavior.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Speaking of love, Devin, I love you, Love you, Carol.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I involunted was a little love. I want true. It's true,
true said so romantic love me, baby, I don't leave me, haggin.
(39:26):
I want true
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