May 9, 2024 • 38 mins
Devin and Carolina talk about how hard it is to make friends and keep them in your thirties and then discuss one of the most toxic groups of friends on television - the cast of Summer House.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to True Romance.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is Carolina Varlow and this is Devin Leary.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
So recently Devin and I have realized that we need
to make friends. This is just something that came out
of I don't know. I think it's the loneliness epidemic,
as people are calling it, because.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's not just it's not us, it's not me.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I think there's.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Actually a huge epidemic happening and it has nothing to.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Do with us, and I just happened to be a
casualty of said epidemic. I never got COVID, but I
did get the loneliness epidemic.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, it's really hard. Wait did you actually never get COVID?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I never got covid, Babe.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Devin did her best to give it to me when
I was in New York.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh, she tried her hardest, but I sod it.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I like constantly feel like I'm going to get it
for the second time.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I've only gotten it once. Knock on, damn.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Would also, I kind of think it's embarrassing that I
haven't gotten it because it's like, that's how little I socialize.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
To be part of the loneliness ecademic.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I'm like, I remember when the pandemic started and I
had you know, as the listeners from day one. Remember
I had just gotten out of a relationship and I'd
really taken on my you know, ex's friends as my
friends as.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Were wont to do.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And when we broke up, I was like, great, I
can do what I love to do. We just hang
out alone. And so that has kind of been the
last four years for me, hanging out all alone. And
I think it's because when I was working, I would
always be around people and sometimes a lot of people,
not to brag, and so I sort of took that
(02:01):
in as my social life, and then when I wasn't working,
I would just be alone and seeing people always felt
like too stimulating for me. And I think it's partially
like my trauma brain. Like I when journaling recently, I
realized like, oh, I just try to hide from the
world mm hmm. But yeah, then I wake up sometimes
(02:22):
where I, you know, go to bed after doing nothing
on a Saturday night, and I'm like, this is crazy.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I think I relate to that. But I also have
been realizing I don't really have a like a group,
A couple of different groups of friends that I've had
that I've hung out with a lot in New York
have dissipated because people are older and like have more
(02:50):
complicated lives and people aren't just like, hey, what's everyone
doing on Friday?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
What's everyone doing on Saturday? What's everyone doing? You know?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
And so there's that and also something I've realized, First
of all, attachment wounds show up in friendships as well
as romantic relationships. So like a lot of times if
someone so the biggest thing I struggle with is if
someone like doesn't reach out to me or like doesn't
or if there's like the slightest because another thing I've
(03:19):
realized is I am like hyper vigilant to emotional shifts
from childhood where like I had to like monitor my parents' emotions.
So if there's like the slightest shift in like the
amount someone's texting me or like what someone's responding to me,
I'm I'm like, Okay, I know something's different, and like
I need to figure it out. And it actually leads
leads me to Lindsey esque behavior where I'll be like.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
What, so, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
So we're in a conflict and it's like really not necessary,
but it also is like that's okay if there's like
a slight shift. Like that's what I am coming to
realize is like it's okay if there's a slight shift.
It's okay if people like are distancing a little bit,
or it's okay if people don't have as much time.
Another thing that's hard for me is realizing that like
(04:06):
I'm closer to some people like some people were.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's like I have.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Certain friends that I'm like, oh, I'm like not one
of your best friends, but you're one of.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Mine, right, you know what I mean? And that is like.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Another complicated thing where it's like, of course that's totally
fine and that like makes sense, but it does like
hurt my feelings sometimes where I'm like, oh, yeah, like
you have like your main friends and then you have
like I have a lot of people's like singular friend
outside the group that they're in. So I often feel
like I'm the one who like reaches out or I'm
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the one who makes plans and I'm the one who
calls them, but what they necessarily call me, But all
of this stuff, I'm just like, is that also just
part of my weird like attachment narrative where I'm like,
am I important enough?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Do I matter enough? And I think the.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Ultimate solution is I'm just trying to make more friends, right,
It's like hard, like I'm trying to like like I
almost canceled on socializing with this person, but then I
thought about it like a date type thing, like I'm like, well,
I want to be friends with this person, so like
if I cancel, they're gonna like think, I don't know,
(05:18):
I'm like I have to like build this connection somehow.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And then I ended up hanging out with them and
it was really fun.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
But it's like you, yeah, you have to like put
effort in and like try to make friend dates with people.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
It's so true and it's humbling because I think we
want to just immediately be comfortable with someone and have
the comfort to be like come over watch TV and
let's not talk and just like be on our phones
and like laugh at whatever we're watching, and that's like
my dream hang and instead we have to get to
know someone and it just like dating. You're like, I
hate this part because we don't know each other's rhythms yet,
(05:54):
we don't have inside jokes yet. Yeah, you know, some
of what we would do in New York is just
hang out at someone's apartment and obviously and like not
necessarily quote unquote do something except go out to dinner.
And as people get married and have families, that becomes
less and less frequent. But yeah, I totally hear you.
(06:17):
I it's so interesting, Like a lot of my I
had a great group of friends in high school. I
always think like, if my high school self saw me now,
she would be aghast because I was always going out,
always hanging out with someone, always hooking up with someone.
And now my high school friends are still friends, and
I was the one who lost touch. I was the
one who, like in college went crazy and like had
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a hard time keeping in touch with them because we're
all over the country and now that we're in LA,
you know, two of them are married, and sometimes they'll
all hang out without me, and I'll hear it from
someone else like oh, yeah, we all had to sleep
over the other night, and you know this was said,
and I'll be like, wait, I clearly wasn't invited to that,
And it's just this weird feeling where it's my fault,
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you know, because they made an effort for the past
fifteen years to stay in touch. And I'm the one,
you know who kind of took them for granted without
intending to, and I'm paying the consequences, you know. And
I think a part of it is because I moved
around a lot as a kid, you know, Like I
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lived seven years in Berkeley, seven years in Brooklyn, seven
years in LA And I think because of that, I
didn't have the experience of like learning how to come
like keep up with long term friendships, especially ones that
were long distance, and I kind of was just like
new place, new place to make friends. And I think, actually,
(07:43):
you're my longest friendship in that like we've been able
to stay in touch consistently and like work together and
do all this stuff long distance and even without going
to specifics, Like we've faced challenges that way because it's hard,
like not seeing someone every other day and having that
line of communication, and it's easier for things to like
(08:05):
kind of venture into confusion or miscommunication when you don't
have that face to face with someone. So I think
like long term friendships, just like long term relationships are hard,
you know, and it requires effort, and like you have
to make a decision, like you were saying, not canceling
on that person to like make that effort. M I
(08:25):
think that's something that like I love kind of I
don't know, like the addict side of me loves just
tuning out, Like when I'm not working, I'm like turn
on Bravo just like tune out of the world, and
like a friendship requires you to be present, and I
think I struggle with that a lot of the time.
So it's something I want to change about myself. I
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want to meet people. I have such a like high
bar where I want to meet like the funniest people ever,
because I feel like those are my favorite kind of
people to be around. And it's like I just have
to make friends and like not assume that like we're
not going to get along or not going to be
close immediately.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah, I think like all I care about a friendship
is actually, as demonstrated by the show Summer House, is
like someone who can like sit in a bed with
me and be like, Okay, what just happened. Like there's
a moment rewatching Summerhouse, which, by the way, I'm so addicted.
I actually flew across the country to visit my friend
(09:25):
for her birthday we were like getting ready and I
was like ready before her for dinner, and I like
snuck into my room so I could watch more Summerhouse.
But there's like a moment where there's like a party
going on and Amanda fines Paige and she's like, wait,
I have so many things to talk to you about.
In pages like oh my god, I have so many
things to talk to you about, And they like go
in the bedroom to like rehash all the like drama
(09:46):
of the party. Like that's like what I'm really looking
for in a friend. But speaking of should we do
Summer House? First, the Vice.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
The Valley, I'll just touch on briefly. It's kind of
we're we're just watching the train accident of all of
a slow motion car accident of all of these relationships
that are going to become undone. First off, Jesse and Michelle.
Michelle obviously is planning to get out of this marriage,
Like and Jesse, it's becoming clear and clear that she
(10:24):
might have a side piece. And it's so funny because
Jesse is such a piece of shit and so you
are rooting for Michelle, but it's just so clear how
much she does not like him. So that's becoming clear
and clear. The guys meaning Jason and Jack's confront Luke
and they're like, Kristin is a liar, Like she's lying
(10:45):
about this stuff and basically you're the one paying the
price for it, and you have to understand that, you know,
she is the person like leading the drama this way.
So Luke confronts Kristin, and it's so funny because Kristen
fights in a certain way where she's like, okay, got it,
all right, let's stop talking about it.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Okay, Oh my god that wait, I did see this
episode because I forgot about that. That was so amazing.
She's like okay, okay, well, and he's basically like, so
you lied, because technically lying is saying something that wasn't
the truth and what I told you was not what
you said. And she's like, got it, got it. So
we're good, and I'm like that. Those are the moments
(11:26):
where I'm like, okay, so you are like so fucking unstable,
it's beyond It's like you could be in an asylum,
like no offense, you could be in an asylum.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
No, it's true, and you wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Last a second in the asylum where they raised me
but you also could be in an asylum.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I love the memes with that Taylor swift lyric, mainly
the Bravo memes showing like the alley of back behind
Vander Pomp and stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, it's brilliant.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, and then we get uh huh and then.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Me adding a lot to the conversation.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, yes, that's what you get when you talk about memes.
I also want to touch on Jackson Brittany. So Jacks
is just and let me say this too, I have
acted like Jacks before. Jax acts like he's the only
person in his relationship who's stressed out and like overwhelmed,
and it's clear that Brittany does absolutely everything for him,
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and he is like.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I can't handle this.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I can't handle paying a mortgage and raising a family
and opening my bar and you know, et cetera, et cetera.
And she is just calmly listening to him. So Brittany
thinks they're going to try for another kid, and Jax
is basically like, I don't want to take away attention
that you know, Cruse might need, because it's clear that
Cruz is struggling and with verbal and he's not currently
(12:47):
non verbal and Brittany goes, I live for my kid
and Jack is like, you're drunk, basically, And I was,
as I was telling Devin before we start recording this episode,
like it's clear that Brittany may have a drinking problem.
And not that I like to blame addictions on outside people,
but I do think it's Jack's fault. Like I do
(13:07):
think she just has to like numb herself to being
married to Jack's because he seems so annoying. But yeah,
I just can't with how much Jax thinks that he
has like the hardest life in the world, and then
he also has the goal to be like because she goes,
you don't do anything, and then he's like wow that wow,
(13:29):
that really hurts and she's like, no, I didn't mean that,
Like you do do stuff, and he was like, you
don't like the house that I got. You don't like
the house that we lived in, and then she goes,
actually we both put the same amount down for the house,
and he leaves the room. It's like he has to
be this male martyr and when she like checks him
in the slightest he can't handle it and he leaves
(13:50):
for Ah, It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And it's just like.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's toxic masculinity, like I need you need to act
like I'm taking care of you or else I can't
handle it. Yeah, And it's like they hinted the fact
that she or she basically says that at one point
she was supporting the family, and I think that and
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then that Jacks was weird about it, and I just
think that men can't handle that totally.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
And it harkens back.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
To previous episodes of Vanner Pump when he would talk
about like basically paying for her implants and like throw
it in her face. And finally on one episode she
was like, I paid you back, and he's like fine, God,
like acting like an absolute child.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I know, and then like also no offense, but like
the fact that he even made her pay him back.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
No, it's it's insane. It's you know what I mean, insane.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
So yeah, we're basically gonna watch them split up, which
I'm it's a privilege to watch these television shows, Like
I am grateful at their film because I do think
we get a lot out of watching relationships period to
see what is healthy and what isn't. And most of
these are not speaking of unhealthy relationships. Though, let's talk
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a little bit about the.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Latest episode of Summer House was truly like a lesson
in relationships. There's two different well there's three different relationship
dynamics that play. But I'm so sick of like the
page Craig like, she won't move to Charleston. I think
it's like honestly, and you know what I hate, Like
I went back and watched Obviously I'm going back and
(15:37):
watching all the episodes, and like there was a thing
where Craig was like, oh, well, she said, when we
have kids, will obviously live in Charleston.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
It's like, no, you won't. Her family lives in New York.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
No one who lived no offense, no one who lives
in New York would want to raise their kids in
the South.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Why would you ever want to do that?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Like, I just can't imagine that the school districts in
Charleston are going to be like progressive and like, I
don't know, it's not scary, it's scary, like who would
want to raise their kids there?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And she's not going to raise their kids there? And
I'm just like okay.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So and in one of the old episodes, he says like, well,
I would move to New York for you because I
love you more than I love Charleston. It's like, okay,
so just move to New York, like it's better. I'm sorry,
it's better. Just move there, and so that I just can't.
And then we have the dynamic between Sierra and West,
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which I will say this like going back and watching
the episodes with Siarra and Austin drama, Like Sierra is
so calm and collected, and then when she gets digmatized,
as the people would say, she does really lose it,
like she does lose the thread, like she like threw
(16:48):
a glass, she threw like a champagne glass at Danielle
over Austin.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Basically, yeah, I also am I am.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
On West's side in this one where I don't think
it's drama that he's like talking to other girls when
he's just been talking to Sierra for a little while
and they've like barely even just made out.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
So I also am like, does she like him?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I know, I can't even tell.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I can't tell.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I think she likes the attention and like kind of
having like someone to kiss and stuff. But at one
point he's like, oh, my girlfriend's an alien when she's
just up as an alien and she's like, did.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
You just call me your girlfriend? Like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
There's something about her that is clearly pushing him away.
And it's so funny to me because he's to me
clearly like so much hotter and like cooler and funnier
than Austin. And oh my god, yet when he asked
her out, she cried, like when she found out he
liked her, she cried like, I was like, how can
you like this man that much?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's so strange to me.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
She's also like always talking about how Austin was funny,
and he's like never even cracked a joke, like he
like can't He's not funny at all.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's very weird. So I am on west Side and
I feel like, I don't know. I just I'm not
surprised that they didn't last, but I'm excited to hear
like because it looks like she visited his family in Montana,
so I'm excited to hear more at the reunion. I'm
just very excited for this reunion in general.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Oh my god, the reunion is going to be like
when did you say the seating map?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Lindsay and Carl.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, Ye're very excited. So I'm
so curious what you think. So in the last episode
prior to this week's, Carl visits his parents, his mom
and his stepdad, and both of them basically suggest like
your relationship is toxic, and his stepdad, who's a pastor,
is like, I wouldn't marry you and Lindsay. Lindsay commented
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under a picture of said conversation on Instagram and said
he should be a farmer, meaning like he's planting seeds
for their breakup here. Then in this week's episode, Lindsay
down with Carl and she's like, so, how is it
seeing your parents? Carl is such a little bit about this,
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and it's like it was good, I mean, you know,
I mean it was hard because, like, you know, they're obviously,
you know, want we are concerned. And he's not saying
anything more than that, and she's like, wait what wait,
so what happened?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
What was said?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And he's like, no, you know, they love you, they
love you. They're just like a little bit, you know,
they want us to be happy. And he keeps on
hinting at a conversation that was had, and she keeps
on being like, wait, so if they're concerned, that like
really worries me, and he's basically both what I think
is like planting seeds of you know, insecurity and at
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the same time trying to console her mm hmm, which
is very weird to me, And then cut to him
telling Amanda and Kyle like my stepdad said that he
wouldn't marry us, and both Amanda and Kyle are like, wait,
so did you tell lindsay that? And he's like no,
because I didn't want to upset her.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Let me just say one thing which I was obsessed with,
which was Carl was talking just to Kyle, and Amanda
came in and was like, I'm looking for my shoes.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Has anyone seen my shoes?
Speaker 4 (20:15):
But clearly just walking around so slowly because she wanted
to hear what they were talking about. And then eventually
she just sits on the bed and is like okay,
like I'm part of the conversation now, and Carl even
was like okay, so I guess you're just staying. Like
I just was obsessed with it because that's what I
feel like I would do, like creeping through the background
being like, oh, so, what are you guys talking about
(20:35):
like this sounds interesting, Like okay. The only thing I've
related to more is when Paige was in the episode
of Southern Charm where Olivia and Austin were arguing and
she was like, sh be quiet because she.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Wanted to be able to hear what they were saying. Okay, sorry,
go on.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So this is the part where I feel for Lindsay.
Carl sits down next to her at dinner and she's like,
are you okay?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
What's wrong? And he's like nothing, we should just talk later. Oh,
and You're.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Like that's a psychotic move.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
My partner who I was gonna marry, was like, we
should talk later. I would like, She's like, wait, what
what's going on? Well, I can't, like now, I'm not
going to be able to like sit and relax, and
so basically he takes her into the living room. Everyone
at dinner is silent because the couple a couple just
got up and walked away without saying anything, which I
also love, Like, I nosy has such a negative connotation,
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but I am nosy.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I just want to know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Right, and that's normal and that's human science, human supposed
to do.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, I think that's completely fine.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And so like when a couple is fighting around me,
I love it. I love it, I love it, I
love it. I'm just like I can't get enough of it.
And so Lindsey and Carl start talking in the living room,
and it is just so clear that these people do
not belong together in their compass. And I would blame
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it all on Carl, but Lindsay clearly is someone who
it's just hard to have an argument or conversation with.
Like Carl's like, so my stepdad basically told us that
he wouldn't marry us. And she's like, oh, that's a
really big deal. Why didn't you say that when we
talked prior, Like she keeps something like we already had
this conversation.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I know.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
I think she like she starts out like okay, like
she starts out handling it a little bit well, but
it goes south.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
And then he's like, well, I didn't try to get
you stressed out or I didn't try to get you heated,
and she's like, I'm not heated, yeah, and he's like,
I don't know. It's just very clear that you know
they're And at the same time, Carl acts like such
a victim, Like he's like, ah, yeah, I don't know.
I mean, what I'm trying to say is they love you.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Like he's just being a little bit of a baby.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
And you can kind of see how the relationship dynamic
is where it's like, oh, she is like antagonistic, but
he also plays the victim, yes, and he likes that
and he likes that yeah, and he likes like defending
her to people. And then I'm excited for next week's
episode because she does such a girlfriend move where.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
She's like thanks a lot, I'm gonna go cry now,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Where it's like she's iconic, Like I know she's so
I think she has like a personality disorder and like
a lot of stuff going on, but at the same time,
she's truly iconic and like I actually love that and
couldn't love watching her more.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Oh, which brings me to one of the other things
that I'm like, I cannot believe she's doing this right now.
She confronts her future mother in law, Carl's mother at
her bridal shower.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
By the way, side, note, let me just say I
think that Lindsay looks fucking stunned.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
She's gorgeous this.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Season, and that is a great benefit for her. Unfortunately,
now she looks like she's gone too far with them.
Yeah I'm not anti Ozempic, but she's gone too far.
And but in this, like this around her wedding, I
was like, oh my god, like and she posted a
picture which I was like, of the wedding shower, and
(24:16):
I was like, wow, it's kind of drama, like post
your wedding shower pictures when you like aren't getting married.
But then I was like, actually, she looks fucking amazing
and she should post that. Yeah, okay, sorry, so go on.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Basically after she hears this is prior to their second conversation,
she just hears from Carl that his parents were concerned.
She sees his mother at her bridal shower and she's like, hey,
I heard you had some concerns, and his mother looks
so nervous, Like she looks nervous, she looks on the spot.
She's like, oh, well, yeah, we just you know, we
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just want you guys to be happy. And she's like, yeah,
I don't know, but I when she tells when Lizzie
tells Page and Amanda that she confronted Carl's mom, Amanda's like,
oh my god, like I would never and I'm like,
I don't think I could ever like confront an old
lady and be like, yeah, what shit were you saying
about me?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
And then she's like in the confessional being like, I
mean I've known Sharon as long as I've known Carl.
It's like right, and Sharon is not in europeer at
all whatsoever. She's also like talking to her stepmom and
like Sharon is like trying to get it on the drama.
Like I feel like Sharon was like hamming it up
a little bit. She's like, oh, what are you guys
talking about? And then Lindsay's like, we're just having mommy
(25:42):
daughter time like and I'm like, this is crazy, but
that was kind of amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
So, like going back to the rewatch, like I think in.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Season seven, Lindsay does display extremely unhealthy reallyationship dynamics that
could be considered emotional abuse. For example, basically like convincing
Carl that he should not work at Lover Boy because
they like take him for granted. But at the same time,
it's like, is Carl presenting it that she's manipulating him?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
That way. I don't know, like right the.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Picture presented and see that season seven is like Lindsay
is the reason Carl stops working at lover Boy, and
now in season eight, she's like upset because he doesn't
have a job, and like it's kind of like, well
what and but there is like there's one big fight
that just happened in season seven. There's like lead up,
lead up, lead up. They moved in together. People are like, oh,
they're moving too fast.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Danielle.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
By the way, in season seven, I'm like, Okay, the
first time I watched it, I was on Danielle's side.
The second time I'm watching it, I'm like, Danielle, you
are in love with Lindsay and how serious? Like she's like, well,
my boyfriend. She's basically like, will you guys hang out
all the time? And my boyfriend and I never hang out,
so like what's going on with you guys?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And they're like, we like to hang out.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
And she's like upset that Lindsay's not drinking enough or something,
And I just don't really get that. But I will
say I think that Danielle's more upset that Lindsay's a
bad friend to her and like doesn't actually care about her,
and like she's like upset because she's used to Lindsey
being single and needing Danielle around. And then as soon
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as Lindsay gets a boyfriend, she's like, I don't need
you anymore and like that's like toxic. But it's not,
like Danielle is not understanding the dynamic is because Lindsay
is like incapable of like a mutual, right lasting bond.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Lindsey is an alcoholic in the sense that she globs
onto people who are her drinking buddies.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yes, so there's this big fight that happens because Carl
has a conversation with Danielle that's like, are you not
happy for Lindsay and I, And Danielle's like no, I am,
Like I just I think I'm just sad that the
relationship changed.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Then they like make amends.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Then Carl tells Lindsay like, yeah, I actually like had
a good conversation.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
With Danielle about how like I.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Think she's just sad the dynamics are changing, and Lindsay
is wasted and like freaks the fuck out and is like.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Oh, okay, well, why don't you stand up for me?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Like I want you to tell this person that they're
a piece of shit, and I like, am the one.
But then as the conversation goes on, which is basically
just her screaming at Carl and Carl doing what you're saying,
like I can't believe you're doing this, like you're just drunk,
like I'm the victim. But she's saying, all you care
about is how you look, and she's what she's actually
(28:32):
trying to say is like you just made up with Danielle,
not because you care about her as a friend, but
because you care about looking like the nice guy. And
now I'm gonna look like the bad guy because I'm
not ready to like make up with her and I'm
still in a fight with her. So I thought that
was really interesting because he's still trying to hold on
to that to the extent where he's being so selfish,
like he's still trying to be like, I'm the good guy,
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I'm showing up at the wedding shower of flowers, I'm
doing this. But it's like, no, you're being really selfish
because you're not capable of being honest with this person
that you don't want to be with them anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Right, Yeah, I'm very excited to see the reunion because
I have a feeling she is going to tell Carl like,
you never wanted to marry me. You did this all
for television, Like you did this all for the show,
And I have a feeling he's going to be like, no,
I wanted to marry you, but you like are abusive
and told everyone that I don't like having sex, which
(29:24):
I thought was fascinating. Danielle was on Watch What Happens
Live and I forget that like everyone hooked up with Carl,
and Andy goes, oh, were you surprised to hear about
Lindsay and carl sex life, and she's like, no, because
I dated Carl.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Sorry. Interesting, So that's another thing, Like okay, so she's
saying he also didn't like to have sex. Yeah, there's
something going on there. Something's a right, something's afoot there.
And also like the thing is like he's not very good.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Part of the conversation with Linda in the most recent
episode is like he's really can't handle conflict, and he's
like he starts like getting so anxious that I almost
I'm sorry to say this, and I know it's not true,
but I almost was like, is carl On Coke like
during that conversation because he was so racy and so
not able to talk, But I think it. I think
we've seen carl On Coke for the first like six
(30:20):
seasons straight and it wasn't like that, So I don't
think he was. But I do think he was just
so anxious and so uncomfortable with conflict that he was
like racy and not sure how like to get his
words out. And someone who can definitely get their statements
across under high stress is Lindsay. It's true she thrives
in conflict, So I think she is absolutely because like,
(30:42):
let's let's be honest, the scandal all reunion was a
little bit unsatisfying because Ariana was like sleepily just like
throwing out like you're fucking disgusting, and it's like, can
you like say an eloquent point about like what you
really feel instead of just being like you're fucking trash,
Like she was so low energy, And I'm sorry, I
(31:03):
amt Mariana, but like that just wasn't as satisfying as
a reunion.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
As could have been.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
And I feel like the way that Lindsey is gonna
eviscerate him is going to be, as I say, iconic, iconic.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I did love on I think it was the most
recent EPP of vander Pump Rules when Brock, who is
I think the most annoying person on the show, confronts
Ariana about like forgiveness and she's like, oh, I think
there's strength and not forgiving to hurt me. I love
that I find strength in like basically female rage. And
(31:38):
people always have a problem with female rage, but no
one ever has a problem with male rage. You can
see Brock is like dumbfounded by this nuance and like
can't handle it because he was expecting to, like man,
explain something to her, but I just find she She
also says a therapy term I've never heard before, but
she's like, I can like I'm allowed to grave rock someone.
(32:01):
And gray rocking is when you are around an emotionally manipulative,
abusive person, you treat them so coldly, you're like a
gray rock, like you're because they can pull you in
with their manipulation, so you just like are like yes, hi, no,
thank you, avoid eye contact as you know, short answers
(32:23):
as possible, and she basically was saying, like their strength
in me protecting myself. Yes, and I found that super inspiring.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I found that so inspiring too, and also I liked
that she was explaining like I'm giving him nothing for
a reason, like I'm not making it all for a reason.
And also then Brock had some weird response that was like, oh, well,
I don't think like men are rageful anymore. And then
they did the editors did a super cut of all
the men on the cast getting into screaming fights and
(32:54):
like yelling and throwing things, which I loved. So that
was definitely I am definitely team Mariana. But wait, so
what do you think about her and Daniel her boyfriend?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Love him?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I think that Arianna needs to be in a relationship,
like she needs to be in a long term relationship.
She just seems like someone who gets really attached, and
I think she has a little bit of like maybe
not borderline, but I think that the fact that she
was with Sandoval so long like that is like a
red flag. Yes, yeah, Like he's just one of the
(33:26):
more unappealing people I've ever seen in my life. So
I'm like, what drives you to basically want to be
with someone like this? And she defended him like across
things that were indefensible, and so just what's going on there,
you know, like what family dynamic are you playing out?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Basically?
Speaker 3 (33:45):
But I think Daniel seems like a very good person
from the little I can tell about him. It is
so funny to me that it's so clear that Laala
is like attracted to him, like she basically there was
an edit of her just asking him a million questions
and she's like, oh, wow, you work out, good for you.
But she just it seems like her like quote unquote
(34:09):
protecting her friend. But you're like, oh, you are very
focused on this guy.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, and it's like a lot of jealousy. I think
I think Laala struggles with a lot of jealousy.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I know she really got like the comments handed to
her this season too, Like she's turned off her comments
or she's limited her comments on all of her Instagram pictures.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Everyone was like what are you doing? Yeah, like why
are you trying to be friends with Sandoval? Obviously, I
think a lot of this is just because her and
Sheena are like the ones who want to make sure
that the show keeps going because they don't have like
outside jobs, and so they were like constantly trying to
include Sandoval when like Katie Maloney, like I truly think,
like when in care if the world ended, Like she's
(34:53):
so detached and like so emo that I think that
she's fine with not hanging out with Santa bal and
like wouldn't care if he quit the show.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
By the way, the show is on pause.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I know, And I am so coodependent that I'm worried
about everyone now, Like I'm like, what will I know?
She just bought a house, her and she and they
just bought houses. I know.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I'm like that too, Like I feel like whenever I'm
in the rewatch zone right now, I'm like the summer
house people are in my family, like they're coming up
on everybody. I have.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
My TikTok feed is like.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Hoof picking videos, hoof picking videos.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Page picking videos.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, like no, it's cows. It's really weird.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
That is really interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
It's like these these Irish there's an Irish man and
there's a Midwestern man and they like show you how
they're picking a cow's hoof and how there's like separation
in the different layers of the hoof horn and that's
why the cow has pain. And they like drain the abscess.
You know, I don't know something's wrong with me. But
(35:58):
I also get like these videos of Paige and Crag
and like I was speaking of dream friendship since I'm
visiting my friend on activity we engaged in is like
watching my TikTok with her, because it was like, oh,
should we put on another episode of something? And I
kind of was like, well, I just kind of want
to watch TikTok, so like, I guess we can just
watch TikTok together.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
And but like a video of Paige. She doesn't watch Summerhouse,
but I really want her to.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
But a video of Paige and Crag came up and
I was like, oh, so that's Paige and that's Craig,
like as if they're like my close friends. I'm like, oh,
and so that's Paige and Craig and there she's visiting
him in Charleston right now. And then I'm like onto
the next Actually I had to stop showing the hoof
videos because she got disturbed.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
But I also got a giraffe chiropractor.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I'm shaking my head.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
It's a guy who's doing net cracking for a giraffe.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
And let me just say something like I never think
about giraffe, but they're actually so cute.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, they really are cute. And he was like snuggling
with the giraffe and it was so sweet.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
I mean, I don't think the chiropractic thing is good,
but I do think that that giraffes are really cute.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
That is really interesting. That's an interesting algorithm.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
It is. And then there's also Jojo Siwah. Obviously it's
on that note.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Here's to us making new friends, going out in the world,
trying to find new people. Yeah, and creating our own
little summerhouse.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Maybe we will.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
We'll certainly like the people more than they like each other. Yeah,
love you, Devin, Love you Carol, and.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Said so romantic.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Love me baby, don't leave me, Hagen, I wan't true.
Hello, and welcome to True Romance.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is Carolina Varlow and this is Devin Leary.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
So recently Devin and I have realized that we need
to make friends. This is just something that came out
of I don't know. I think it's the loneliness epidemic,
as people are calling it, because.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's not just it's not us, it's not me.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I think there's.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Actually a huge epidemic happening and it has nothing to.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Do with us, and I just happened to be a
casualty of said epidemic. I never got COVID, but I
did get the loneliness epidemic.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, it's really hard. Wait did you actually never get COVID?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I never got covid, Babe.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Devin did her best to give it to me when
I was in New York.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh, she tried her hardest, but I sod it.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I like constantly feel like I'm going to get it
for the second time.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I've only gotten it once. Knock on, damn.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Would also, I kind of think it's embarrassing that I
haven't gotten it because it's like, that's how little I socialize.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
To be part of the loneliness ecademic.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I'm like, I remember when the pandemic started and I
had you know, as the listeners from day one. Remember
I had just gotten out of a relationship and I'd
really taken on my you know, ex's friends as my
friends as.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Were wont to do.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And when we broke up, I was like, great, I
can do what I love to do. We just hang
out alone. And so that has kind of been the
last four years for me, hanging out all alone. And
I think it's because when I was working, I would
always be around people and sometimes a lot of people,
not to brag, and so I sort of took that
(02:01):
in as my social life, and then when I wasn't working,
I would just be alone and seeing people always felt
like too stimulating for me. And I think it's partially
like my trauma brain. Like I when journaling recently, I
realized like, oh, I just try to hide from the
world mm hmm. But yeah, then I wake up sometimes
(02:22):
where I, you know, go to bed after doing nothing
on a Saturday night, and I'm like, this is crazy.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I think I relate to that. But I also have
been realizing I don't really have a like a group,
A couple of different groups of friends that I've had
that I've hung out with a lot in New York
have dissipated because people are older and like have more
(02:50):
complicated lives and people aren't just like, hey, what's everyone
doing on Friday?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
What's everyone doing on Saturday? What's everyone doing? You know?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
And so there's that and also something I've realized, First
of all, attachment wounds show up in friendships as well
as romantic relationships. So like a lot of times if
someone so the biggest thing I struggle with is if
someone like doesn't reach out to me or like doesn't
or if there's like the slightest because another thing I've
(03:19):
realized is I am like hyper vigilant to emotional shifts
from childhood where like I had to like monitor my parents' emotions.
So if there's like the slightest shift in like the
amount someone's texting me or like what someone's responding to me,
I'm I'm like, Okay, I know something's different, and like
I need to figure it out. And it actually leads
leads me to Lindsey esque behavior where I'll be like.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
What, so, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
So we're in a conflict and it's like really not necessary,
but it also is like that's okay if there's like
a slight shift. Like that's what I am coming to
realize is like it's okay if there's a slight shift.
It's okay if people like are distancing a little bit,
or it's okay if people don't have as much time.
Another thing that's hard for me is realizing that like
(04:06):
I'm closer to some people like some people were.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's like I have.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Certain friends that I'm like, oh, I'm like not one
of your best friends, but you're one of.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Mine, right, you know what I mean? And that is like.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Another complicated thing where it's like, of course that's totally
fine and that like makes sense, but it does like
hurt my feelings sometimes where I'm like, oh, yeah, like
you have like your main friends and then you have
like I have a lot of people's like singular friend
outside the group that they're in. So I often feel
like I'm the one who like reaches out or I'm
(04:41):
the one who makes plans and I'm the one who
calls them, but what they necessarily call me, But all
of this stuff, I'm just like, is that also just
part of my weird like attachment narrative where I'm like,
am I important enough?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Do I matter enough? And I think the.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Ultimate solution is I'm just trying to make more friends, right,
It's like hard, like I'm trying to like like I
almost canceled on socializing with this person, but then I
thought about it like a date type thing, like I'm like, well,
I want to be friends with this person, so like
if I cancel, they're gonna like think, I don't know,
(05:18):
I'm like I have to like build this connection somehow.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And then I ended up hanging out with them and
it was really fun.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
But it's like you, yeah, you have to like put
effort in and like try to make friend dates with people.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
It's so true and it's humbling because I think we
want to just immediately be comfortable with someone and have
the comfort to be like come over watch TV and
let's not talk and just like be on our phones
and like laugh at whatever we're watching, and that's like
my dream hang and instead we have to get to
know someone and it just like dating. You're like, I
hate this part because we don't know each other's rhythms yet,
(05:54):
we don't have inside jokes yet. Yeah, you know, some
of what we would do in New York is just
hang out at someone's apartment and obviously and like not
necessarily quote unquote do something except go out to dinner.
And as people get married and have families, that becomes
less and less frequent. But yeah, I totally hear you.
(06:17):
I it's so interesting, Like a lot of my I
had a great group of friends in high school. I
always think like, if my high school self saw me now,
she would be aghast because I was always going out,
always hanging out with someone, always hooking up with someone.
And now my high school friends are still friends, and
I was the one who lost touch. I was the
one who, like in college went crazy and like had
(06:38):
a hard time keeping in touch with them because we're
all over the country and now that we're in LA,
you know, two of them are married, and sometimes they'll
all hang out without me, and I'll hear it from
someone else like oh, yeah, we all had to sleep
over the other night, and you know this was said,
and I'll be like, wait, I clearly wasn't invited to that,
And it's just this weird feeling where it's my fault,
(06:59):
you know, because they made an effort for the past
fifteen years to stay in touch. And I'm the one,
you know who kind of took them for granted without
intending to, and I'm paying the consequences, you know. And
I think a part of it is because I moved
around a lot as a kid, you know, Like I
(07:21):
lived seven years in Berkeley, seven years in Brooklyn, seven
years in LA And I think because of that, I
didn't have the experience of like learning how to come
like keep up with long term friendships, especially ones that
were long distance, and I kind of was just like
new place, new place to make friends. And I think, actually,
(07:43):
you're my longest friendship in that like we've been able
to stay in touch consistently and like work together and
do all this stuff long distance and even without going
to specifics, Like we've faced challenges that way because it's hard,
like not seeing someone every other day and having that
line of communication, and it's easier for things to like
(08:05):
kind of venture into confusion or miscommunication when you don't
have that face to face with someone. So I think
like long term friendships, just like long term relationships are hard,
you know, and it requires effort, and like you have
to make a decision, like you were saying, not canceling
on that person to like make that effort. M I
(08:25):
think that's something that like I love kind of I
don't know, like the addict side of me loves just
tuning out, Like when I'm not working, I'm like turn
on Bravo just like tune out of the world, and
like a friendship requires you to be present, and I
think I struggle with that a lot of the time.
So it's something I want to change about myself. I
(08:47):
want to meet people. I have such a like high
bar where I want to meet like the funniest people ever,
because I feel like those are my favorite kind of
people to be around. And it's like I just have
to make friends and like not assume that like we're
not going to get along or not going to be
close immediately.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah, I think like all I care about a friendship
is actually, as demonstrated by the show Summer House, is
like someone who can like sit in a bed with
me and be like, Okay, what just happened. Like there's
a moment rewatching Summerhouse, which, by the way, I'm so addicted.
I actually flew across the country to visit my friend
(09:25):
for her birthday we were like getting ready and I
was like ready before her for dinner, and I like
snuck into my room so I could watch more Summerhouse.
But there's like a moment where there's like a party
going on and Amanda fines Paige and she's like, wait,
I have so many things to talk to you about.
In pages like oh my god, I have so many
things to talk to you about, And they like go
in the bedroom to like rehash all the like drama
(09:46):
of the party. Like that's like what I'm really looking
for in a friend. But speaking of should we do
Summer House? First, the Vice.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
The Valley, I'll just touch on briefly. It's kind of
we're we're just watching the train accident of all of
a slow motion car accident of all of these relationships
that are going to become undone. First off, Jesse and Michelle.
Michelle obviously is planning to get out of this marriage,
Like and Jesse, it's becoming clear and clear that she
(10:24):
might have a side piece. And it's so funny because
Jesse is such a piece of shit and so you
are rooting for Michelle, but it's just so clear how
much she does not like him. So that's becoming clear
and clear. The guys meaning Jason and Jack's confront Luke
and they're like, Kristin is a liar, Like she's lying
(10:45):
about this stuff and basically you're the one paying the
price for it, and you have to understand that, you know,
she is the person like leading the drama this way.
So Luke confronts Kristin, and it's so funny because Kristen
fights in a certain way where she's like, okay, got it,
all right, let's stop talking about it.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Okay, Oh my god that wait, I did see this
episode because I forgot about that. That was so amazing.
She's like okay, okay, well, and he's basically like, so
you lied, because technically lying is saying something that wasn't
the truth and what I told you was not what
you said. And she's like, got it, got it. So
we're good, and I'm like that. Those are the moments
(11:26):
where I'm like, okay, so you are like so fucking unstable,
it's beyond It's like you could be in an asylum,
like no offense, you could be in an asylum.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
No, it's true, and you wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Last a second in the asylum where they raised me
but you also could be in an asylum.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I love the memes with that Taylor swift lyric, mainly
the Bravo memes showing like the alley of back behind
Vander Pomp and stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, it's brilliant.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, and then we get uh huh and then.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Me adding a lot to the conversation.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, yes, that's what you get when you talk about memes.
I also want to touch on Jackson Brittany. So Jacks
is just and let me say this too, I have
acted like Jacks before. Jax acts like he's the only
person in his relationship who's stressed out and like overwhelmed,
and it's clear that Brittany does absolutely everything for him,
(12:20):
and he is like.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I can't handle this.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I can't handle paying a mortgage and raising a family
and opening my bar and you know, et cetera, et cetera.
And she is just calmly listening to him. So Brittany
thinks they're going to try for another kid, and Jax
is basically like, I don't want to take away attention
that you know, Cruse might need, because it's clear that
Cruz is struggling and with verbal and he's not currently
(12:47):
non verbal and Brittany goes, I live for my kid
and Jack is like, you're drunk, basically, And I was,
as I was telling Devin before we start recording this episode,
like it's clear that Brittany may have a drinking problem.
And not that I like to blame addictions on outside people,
but I do think it's Jack's fault. Like I do
(13:07):
think she just has to like numb herself to being
married to Jack's because he seems so annoying. But yeah,
I just can't with how much Jax thinks that he
has like the hardest life in the world, and then
he also has the goal to be like because she goes,
you don't do anything, and then he's like wow that wow,
(13:29):
that really hurts and she's like, no, I didn't mean that,
Like you do do stuff, and he was like, you
don't like the house that I got. You don't like
the house that we lived in, and then she goes,
actually we both put the same amount down for the house,
and he leaves the room. It's like he has to
be this male martyr and when she like checks him
in the slightest he can't handle it and he leaves
(13:50):
for Ah, It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And it's just like.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's toxic masculinity, like I need you need to act
like I'm taking care of you or else I can't
handle it. Yeah, And it's like they hinted the fact
that she or she basically says that at one point
she was supporting the family, and I think that and
(14:17):
then that Jacks was weird about it, and I just
think that men can't handle that totally.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
And it harkens back.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
To previous episodes of Vanner Pump when he would talk
about like basically paying for her implants and like throw
it in her face. And finally on one episode she
was like, I paid you back, and he's like fine, God,
like acting like an absolute child.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I know, and then like also no offense, but like
the fact that he even made her pay him back.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
No, it's it's insane. It's you know what I mean, insane.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
So yeah, we're basically gonna watch them split up, which
I'm it's a privilege to watch these television shows, Like
I am grateful at their film because I do think
we get a lot out of watching relationships period to
see what is healthy and what isn't. And most of
these are not speaking of unhealthy relationships. Though, let's talk
(15:14):
a little bit about the.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Latest episode of Summer House was truly like a lesson
in relationships. There's two different well there's three different relationship
dynamics that play. But I'm so sick of like the
page Craig like, she won't move to Charleston. I think
it's like honestly, and you know what I hate, Like
I went back and watched Obviously I'm going back and
(15:37):
watching all the episodes, and like there was a thing
where Craig was like, oh, well, she said, when we
have kids, will obviously live in Charleston.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
It's like, no, you won't. Her family lives in New York.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
No one who lived no offense, no one who lives
in New York would want to raise their kids in
the South.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Why would you ever want to do that?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Like, I just can't imagine that the school districts in
Charleston are going to be like progressive and like, I
don't know, it's not scary, it's scary, like who would
want to raise their kids there?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And she's not going to raise their kids there? And
I'm just like okay.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So and in one of the old episodes, he says like, well,
I would move to New York for you because I
love you more than I love Charleston. It's like, okay,
so just move to New York, like it's better. I'm sorry,
it's better. Just move there, and so that I just can't.
And then we have the dynamic between Sierra and West,
(16:28):
which I will say this like going back and watching
the episodes with Siarra and Austin drama, Like Sierra is
so calm and collected, and then when she gets digmatized,
as the people would say, she does really lose it,
like she does lose the thread, like she like threw
(16:48):
a glass, she threw like a champagne glass at Danielle
over Austin.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Basically, yeah, I also am I am.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
On West's side in this one where I don't think
it's drama that he's like talking to other girls when
he's just been talking to Sierra for a little while
and they've like barely even just made out.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
So I also am like, does she like him?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I know, I can't even tell.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I can't tell.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I think she likes the attention and like kind of
having like someone to kiss and stuff. But at one
point he's like, oh, my girlfriend's an alien when she's
just up as an alien and she's like, did.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
You just call me your girlfriend? Like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
There's something about her that is clearly pushing him away.
And it's so funny to me because he's to me
clearly like so much hotter and like cooler and funnier
than Austin. And oh my god, yet when he asked
her out, she cried, like when she found out he
liked her, she cried like, I was like, how can
you like this man that much?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's so strange to me.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
She's also like always talking about how Austin was funny,
and he's like never even cracked a joke, like he
like can't He's not funny at all.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's very weird. So I am on west Side and
I feel like, I don't know. I just I'm not
surprised that they didn't last, but I'm excited to hear
like because it looks like she visited his family in Montana,
so I'm excited to hear more at the reunion. I'm
just very excited for this reunion in general.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Oh my god, the reunion is going to be like
when did you say the seating map?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Lindsay and Carl.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, Ye're very excited. So I'm
so curious what you think. So in the last episode
prior to this week's, Carl visits his parents, his mom
and his stepdad, and both of them basically suggest like
your relationship is toxic, and his stepdad, who's a pastor,
is like, I wouldn't marry you and Lindsay. Lindsay commented
(18:44):
under a picture of said conversation on Instagram and said
he should be a farmer, meaning like he's planting seeds
for their breakup here. Then in this week's episode, Lindsay
down with Carl and she's like, so, how is it
seeing your parents? Carl is such a little bit about this,
(19:05):
and it's like it was good, I mean, you know,
I mean it was hard because, like, you know, they're obviously,
you know, want we are concerned. And he's not saying
anything more than that, and she's like, wait what wait,
so what happened?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
What was said?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And he's like, no, you know, they love you, they
love you. They're just like a little bit, you know,
they want us to be happy. And he keeps on
hinting at a conversation that was had, and she keeps
on being like, wait, so if they're concerned, that like
really worries me, and he's basically both what I think
is like planting seeds of you know, insecurity and at
(19:44):
the same time trying to console her mm hmm, which
is very weird to me, And then cut to him
telling Amanda and Kyle like my stepdad said that he
wouldn't marry us, and both Amanda and Kyle are like, wait,
so did you tell lindsay that? And he's like no,
because I didn't want to upset her.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Let me just say one thing which I was obsessed with,
which was Carl was talking just to Kyle, and Amanda
came in and was like, I'm looking for my shoes.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Has anyone seen my shoes?
Speaker 4 (20:15):
But clearly just walking around so slowly because she wanted
to hear what they were talking about. And then eventually
she just sits on the bed and is like okay,
like I'm part of the conversation now, and Carl even
was like okay, so I guess you're just staying. Like
I just was obsessed with it because that's what I
feel like I would do, like creeping through the background
being like, oh, so, what are you guys talking about
(20:35):
like this sounds interesting, Like okay. The only thing I've
related to more is when Paige was in the episode
of Southern Charm where Olivia and Austin were arguing and
she was like, sh be quiet because she.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Wanted to be able to hear what they were saying. Okay, sorry,
go on.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So this is the part where I feel for Lindsay.
Carl sits down next to her at dinner and she's like,
are you okay?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
What's wrong? And he's like nothing, we should just talk later. Oh,
and You're.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Like that's a psychotic move.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
My partner who I was gonna marry, was like, we
should talk later. I would like, She's like, wait, what
what's going on? Well, I can't, like now, I'm not
going to be able to like sit and relax, and
so basically he takes her into the living room. Everyone
at dinner is silent because the couple a couple just
got up and walked away without saying anything, which I
also love, Like, I nosy has such a negative connotation,
(21:32):
but I am nosy.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I just want to know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Right, and that's normal and that's human science, human supposed
to do.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, I think that's completely fine.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And so like when a couple is fighting around me,
I love it. I love it, I love it, I
love it. I'm just like I can't get enough of it.
And so Lindsey and Carl start talking in the living room,
and it is just so clear that these people do
not belong together in their compass. And I would blame
(22:01):
it all on Carl, but Lindsay clearly is someone who
it's just hard to have an argument or conversation with.
Like Carl's like, so my stepdad basically told us that
he wouldn't marry us. And she's like, oh, that's a
really big deal. Why didn't you say that when we
talked prior, Like she keeps something like we already had
this conversation.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I know.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
I think she like she starts out like okay, like
she starts out handling it a little bit well, but
it goes south.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
And then he's like, well, I didn't try to get
you stressed out or I didn't try to get you heated,
and she's like, I'm not heated, yeah, and he's like,
I don't know. It's just very clear that you know
they're And at the same time, Carl acts like such
a victim, Like he's like, ah, yeah, I don't know.
I mean, what I'm trying to say is they love you.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Like he's just being a little bit of a baby.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
And you can kind of see how the relationship dynamic
is where it's like, oh, she is like antagonistic, but
he also plays the victim, yes, and he likes that
and he likes that yeah, and he likes like defending
her to people. And then I'm excited for next week's
episode because she does such a girlfriend move where.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
She's like thanks a lot, I'm gonna go cry now,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Where it's like she's iconic, Like I know she's so
I think she has like a personality disorder and like
a lot of stuff going on, but at the same time,
she's truly iconic and like I actually love that and
couldn't love watching her more.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Oh, which brings me to one of the other things
that I'm like, I cannot believe she's doing this right now.
She confronts her future mother in law, Carl's mother at
her bridal shower.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
By the way, side, note, let me just say I
think that Lindsay looks fucking stunned.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
She's gorgeous this.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Season, and that is a great benefit for her. Unfortunately,
now she looks like she's gone too far with them.
Yeah I'm not anti Ozempic, but she's gone too far.
And but in this, like this around her wedding, I
was like, oh my god, like and she posted a
picture which I was like, of the wedding shower, and
(24:16):
I was like, wow, it's kind of drama, like post
your wedding shower pictures when you like aren't getting married.
But then I was like, actually, she looks fucking amazing
and she should post that. Yeah, okay, sorry, so go on.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Basically after she hears this is prior to their second conversation,
she just hears from Carl that his parents were concerned.
She sees his mother at her bridal shower and she's like, hey,
I heard you had some concerns, and his mother looks
so nervous, Like she looks nervous, she looks on the spot.
She's like, oh, well, yeah, we just you know, we
(24:50):
just want you guys to be happy. And she's like, yeah,
I don't know, but I when she tells when Lizzie
tells Page and Amanda that she confronted Carl's mom, Amanda's like,
oh my god, like I would never and I'm like,
I don't think I could ever like confront an old
lady and be like, yeah, what shit were you saying
about me?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
And then she's like in the confessional being like, I
mean I've known Sharon as long as I've known Carl.
It's like right, and Sharon is not in europeer at
all whatsoever. She's also like talking to her stepmom and
like Sharon is like trying to get it on the drama.
Like I feel like Sharon was like hamming it up
a little bit. She's like, oh, what are you guys
talking about? And then Lindsay's like, we're just having mommy
(25:42):
daughter time like and I'm like, this is crazy, but
that was kind of amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
So, like going back to the rewatch, like I think in.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Season seven, Lindsay does display extremely unhealthy reallyationship dynamics that
could be considered emotional abuse. For example, basically like convincing
Carl that he should not work at Lover Boy because
they like take him for granted. But at the same time,
it's like, is Carl presenting it that she's manipulating him?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
That way. I don't know, like right the.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Picture presented and see that season seven is like Lindsay
is the reason Carl stops working at lover Boy, and
now in season eight, she's like upset because he doesn't
have a job, and like it's kind of like, well
what and but there is like there's one big fight
that just happened in season seven. There's like lead up,
lead up, lead up. They moved in together. People are like, oh,
they're moving too fast.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Danielle.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
By the way, in season seven, I'm like, Okay, the
first time I watched it, I was on Danielle's side.
The second time I'm watching it, I'm like, Danielle, you
are in love with Lindsay and how serious? Like she's like, well,
my boyfriend. She's basically like, will you guys hang out
all the time? And my boyfriend and I never hang out,
so like what's going on with you guys?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And they're like, we like to hang out.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
And she's like upset that Lindsay's not drinking enough or something,
And I just don't really get that. But I will
say I think that Danielle's more upset that Lindsay's a
bad friend to her and like doesn't actually care about her,
and like she's like upset because she's used to Lindsey
being single and needing Danielle around. And then as soon
(27:17):
as Lindsay gets a boyfriend, she's like, I don't need
you anymore and like that's like toxic. But it's not,
like Danielle is not understanding the dynamic is because Lindsay
is like incapable of like a mutual, right lasting bond.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Lindsey is an alcoholic in the sense that she globs
onto people who are her drinking buddies.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yes, so there's this big fight that happens because Carl
has a conversation with Danielle that's like, are you not
happy for Lindsay and I, And Danielle's like no, I am,
Like I just I think I'm just sad that the
relationship changed.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Then they like make amends.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Then Carl tells Lindsay like, yeah, I actually like had
a good conversation.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
With Danielle about how like I.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Think she's just sad the dynamics are changing, and Lindsay
is wasted and like freaks the fuck out and is like.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Oh, okay, well, why don't you stand up for me?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Like I want you to tell this person that they're
a piece of shit, and I like, am the one.
But then as the conversation goes on, which is basically
just her screaming at Carl and Carl doing what you're saying,
like I can't believe you're doing this, like you're just drunk,
like I'm the victim. But she's saying, all you care
about is how you look, and she's what she's actually
(28:32):
trying to say is like you just made up with Danielle,
not because you care about her as a friend, but
because you care about looking like the nice guy. And
now I'm gonna look like the bad guy because I'm
not ready to like make up with her and I'm
still in a fight with her. So I thought that
was really interesting because he's still trying to hold on
to that to the extent where he's being so selfish,
like he's still trying to be like, I'm the good guy,
(28:52):
I'm showing up at the wedding shower of flowers, I'm
doing this. But it's like, no, you're being really selfish
because you're not capable of being honest with this person
that you don't want to be with them anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Right, Yeah, I'm very excited to see the reunion because
I have a feeling she is going to tell Carl like,
you never wanted to marry me. You did this all
for television, Like you did this all for the show,
And I have a feeling he's going to be like, no,
I wanted to marry you, but you like are abusive
and told everyone that I don't like having sex, which
(29:24):
I thought was fascinating. Danielle was on Watch What Happens
Live and I forget that like everyone hooked up with Carl,
and Andy goes, oh, were you surprised to hear about
Lindsay and carl sex life, and she's like, no, because
I dated Carl.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Sorry. Interesting, So that's another thing, Like okay, so she's
saying he also didn't like to have sex. Yeah, there's
something going on there. Something's a right, something's afoot there.
And also like the thing is like he's not very good.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Part of the conversation with Linda in the most recent
episode is like he's really can't handle conflict, and he's
like he starts like getting so anxious that I almost
I'm sorry to say this, and I know it's not true,
but I almost was like, is carl On Coke like
during that conversation because he was so racy and so
not able to talk, But I think it. I think
we've seen carl On Coke for the first like six
(30:20):
seasons straight and it wasn't like that, So I don't
think he was. But I do think he was just
so anxious and so uncomfortable with conflict that he was
like racy and not sure how like to get his
words out. And someone who can definitely get their statements
across under high stress is Lindsay. It's true she thrives
in conflict, So I think she is absolutely because like,
(30:42):
let's let's be honest, the scandal all reunion was a
little bit unsatisfying because Ariana was like sleepily just like
throwing out like you're fucking disgusting, and it's like, can
you like say an eloquent point about like what you
really feel instead of just being like you're fucking trash,
Like she was so low energy, And I'm sorry, I
(31:03):
amt Mariana, but like that just wasn't as satisfying as
a reunion.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
As could have been.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
And I feel like the way that Lindsey is gonna
eviscerate him is going to be, as I say, iconic, iconic.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I did love on I think it was the most
recent EPP of vander Pump Rules when Brock, who is
I think the most annoying person on the show, confronts
Ariana about like forgiveness and she's like, oh, I think
there's strength and not forgiving to hurt me. I love
that I find strength in like basically female rage. And
(31:38):
people always have a problem with female rage, but no
one ever has a problem with male rage. You can
see Brock is like dumbfounded by this nuance and like
can't handle it because he was expecting to, like man,
explain something to her, but I just find she She
also says a therapy term I've never heard before, but
she's like, I can like I'm allowed to grave rock someone.
(32:01):
And gray rocking is when you are around an emotionally manipulative,
abusive person, you treat them so coldly, you're like a
gray rock, like you're because they can pull you in
with their manipulation, so you just like are like yes, hi, no,
thank you, avoid eye contact as you know, short answers
(32:23):
as possible, and she basically was saying, like their strength
in me protecting myself. Yes, and I found that super inspiring.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I found that so inspiring too, and also I liked
that she was explaining like I'm giving him nothing for
a reason, like I'm not making it all for a reason.
And also then Brock had some weird response that was like, oh, well,
I don't think like men are rageful anymore. And then
they did the editors did a super cut of all
the men on the cast getting into screaming fights and
(32:54):
like yelling and throwing things, which I loved. So that
was definitely I am definitely team Mariana. But wait, so
what do you think about her and Daniel her boyfriend?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Love him?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I think that Arianna needs to be in a relationship,
like she needs to be in a long term relationship.
She just seems like someone who gets really attached, and
I think she has a little bit of like maybe
not borderline, but I think that the fact that she
was with Sandoval so long like that is like a
red flag. Yes, yeah, Like he's just one of the
(33:26):
more unappealing people I've ever seen in my life. So
I'm like, what drives you to basically want to be
with someone like this? And she defended him like across
things that were indefensible, and so just what's going on there,
you know, like what family dynamic are you playing out?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Basically?
Speaker 3 (33:45):
But I think Daniel seems like a very good person
from the little I can tell about him. It is
so funny to me that it's so clear that Laala
is like attracted to him, like she basically there was
an edit of her just asking him a million questions
and she's like, oh, wow, you work out, good for you.
But she just it seems like her like quote unquote
(34:09):
protecting her friend. But you're like, oh, you are very
focused on this guy.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, and it's like a lot of jealousy. I think
I think Laala struggles with a lot of jealousy.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I know she really got like the comments handed to
her this season too, Like she's turned off her comments
or she's limited her comments on all of her Instagram pictures.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Everyone was like what are you doing? Yeah, like why
are you trying to be friends with Sandoval? Obviously, I
think a lot of this is just because her and
Sheena are like the ones who want to make sure
that the show keeps going because they don't have like
outside jobs, and so they were like constantly trying to
include Sandoval when like Katie Maloney, like I truly think,
like when in care if the world ended, Like she's
(34:53):
so detached and like so emo that I think that
she's fine with not hanging out with Santa bal and
like wouldn't care if he quit the show.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
By the way, the show is on pause.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I know, And I am so coodependent that I'm worried
about everyone now, Like I'm like, what will I know?
She just bought a house, her and she and they
just bought houses. I know.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I'm like that too, Like I feel like whenever I'm
in the rewatch zone right now, I'm like the summer
house people are in my family, like they're coming up
on everybody. I have.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
My TikTok feed is like.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Hoof picking videos, hoof picking videos.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Page picking videos.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, like no, it's cows. It's really weird.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
That is really interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
It's like these these Irish there's an Irish man and
there's a Midwestern man and they like show you how
they're picking a cow's hoof and how there's like separation
in the different layers of the hoof horn and that's
why the cow has pain. And they like drain the abscess.
You know, I don't know something's wrong with me. But
(35:58):
I also get like these videos of Paige and Crag
and like I was speaking of dream friendship since I'm
visiting my friend on activity we engaged in is like
watching my TikTok with her, because it was like, oh,
should we put on another episode of something? And I
kind of was like, well, I just kind of want
to watch TikTok, so like, I guess we can just
watch TikTok together.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
And but like a video of Paige. She doesn't watch Summerhouse,
but I really want her to.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
But a video of Paige and Crag came up and
I was like, oh, so that's Paige and that's Craig,
like as if they're like my close friends. I'm like, oh,
and so that's Paige and Craig and there she's visiting
him in Charleston right now. And then I'm like onto
the next Actually I had to stop showing the hoof
videos because she got disturbed.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
But I also got a giraffe chiropractor.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I'm shaking my head.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
It's a guy who's doing net cracking for a giraffe.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
And let me just say something like I never think
about giraffe, but they're actually so cute.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, they really are cute. And he was like snuggling
with the giraffe and it was so sweet.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
I mean, I don't think the chiropractic thing is good,
but I do think that that giraffes are really cute.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
That is really interesting. That's an interesting algorithm.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
It is. And then there's also Jojo Siwah. Obviously it's
on that note.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Here's to us making new friends, going out in the world,
trying to find new people. Yeah, and creating our own
little summerhouse.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Maybe we will.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
We'll certainly like the people more than they like each other. Yeah,
love you, Devin, Love you Carol, and.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Said so romantic.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Love me baby, don't leave me, Hagen, I wan't true.
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