May 2, 2024 • 34 mins
Devin and Carolina recap the latest episodes of The Valley and Summer House before discussing a very important announcement about the future of the show.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, I watch.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello and Welcome to True Romance. This is Carolina.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Barlow and this is Devin Leary.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You guys, Bravo has really been showing up for me lately,
and I've realized in a few social outings a few
I say, because I still hide from the world due
to severe trauma and not recovering from if you guys
can recall the twenty twenty COVID pandemic, I have still
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gone outside a few times, and I meet people I do,
and once in a while I meet someone who watches
Bravo and it is like two shipwrecked sailors uniting on
a desert island. I just feel like, here is someone
who speaks my language. And with this current season of
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Summer House with you know, the second half of the
season of vander Pump Rules with you know, the new
show that's really given my mood to boost the valley,
I feel like we have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I think there's very few things to talk about in general.
And one of the reasons I like being a woman
is that we don't have to talk about like sports
and movies all the time, right, And I agree that
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when you meet someone who watches Bravo. It's like, okay,
so we are probably similar types of people and we
have so much between us, and it's like a whole
new world is about to begin. Also, I'm rewatching old
episodes of Summerhouse, as everyone knows, and like it's you
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would think I had never seen it before, Like I'm
hanging on every word of every episode. I think it's
a really underrated franchise. Like I know everyone's watching right
now because of Carl and Lindsay, but it's actually always
been giving a lot and the dynamics have always been
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hinging on this level of it's actually a show about
like codependency and alcoholism, and samely between Carl between it's
like Lindsay and Kyle are like the suns that everything
else orbits around, and like either Danielle or Carl or
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that random hobbit man Steven who was briefly there, Like
they're all like entering the orbits of Kyle and Lindsey
and they just continue to kind of be like tornadoes
with a lot of damage in their wake. And it's
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really fascinating. Like I forgot how fucking bad it was
between Amanda and Kyle right before they got married. It's
like so stark and awful, and like she's like constantly
nagging him and being like, Kyle, Kyle, don't do this,
don't do that because she hates him. And then he's
calling her a bitch and saying they have nothing in common,
and then she's saying he didn't get me a birthday
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gift and my parents. The first night they get to
the summerhouse, he blacks out and stays out till four am,
and she's like, my parents said, if he can't control
his drinking, then we're not getting married. And then he
has to pay for the wedding, which is two hundred
and fifty thousand.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Dollars, which is insane.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's just like so much.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in her parents' backyard,
by the way, Like she's like, we're actually having it
at my parents' house, so like that's really nice, and
it's like, but then why is it so expensive when also,
by the way, they own an alcohol brand, like you
would think a lot of the alcohol is also like
not being paid for.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I just like don't understand how that's happening.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I don't even drink, but I do feel bad that
the whole house has to drink lover or boy, do
you know what I mean? Like, I'm like I would
hate having to drink some shitty, sugary beverage.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I think it's like just water to them. It's like
they're never not having something. By the way, I do
have to say something about Lindsay, which is she is
toxic and she has a lot of superit issues. But
like my overall headline about Lindsay is like she's iconic. Honestly,
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I'm like she is screaming a man is working from
home that her boyfriend's working from home and says like,
can you make me a sandwich?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And she screams at him.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
How many fucking sandwiches have you made for me? Like
the way that she goes off is actually so iconic,
and like her saying like if I want to have
sex with Austin, I will do that. Like she just
I kind of am like obsessed, But I also think
she's so not a girl's girl, and that sucks.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
It's fascinating how obsessed.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Danielle is with her, and like Danielle, like Stephen wanted
to like leave the house because Lindsay screamed at him
for not Lindsay got so wasted that she could barely talk,
so she went to bed and he stayed awake, and
then she like came up she like returned from the
dead and like shot up in bed and like came
up stairs and was like, you need to hang out
with your fucking girlfriend. And they get in like a
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huge fight, and he's like I want to I want
you to drink water, and she's like you're not having
fun and you never have fun, like and what you
think is good is not good enough for me, so whatever,
and so then he's gonna leave and Danielle takes his
suitcase from him because she's like Lindsay has abandonment issues,
Like you can't.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's like so sick, it's so sick.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And then like the next season, it's Lindsay's birthday and
Danielle's trying to be like, Okay, Lindsay has to have
the most fun possible on her birthday and like if
anyone steps in away for having fun on her birthday.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Like this is what I'm gonna do, Like I'm gonna stop.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
The I'm just like, are you okay? Like what is
going on in this dynamic? But the thing is it's
so addicting because I'm like, oh, I know what's coming.
Like then I know Lindsay and her are going to
have a falling out. I have to see that. I
know Amanda is going to have like her dramatic weight
loss and everyone's worried about her. I have to see that.
Like it's just so addicting and it it does give
me so much, but also to the extent where I
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worry about myself because I'm like, why am I doing
nothing besides watching this?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And it's like all I can really think about to.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
The extent that I'm worrying about myself is the correct answer.
I you know, come home sometimes from a stressful day
of work, and when I say stressful, I mean stressful
because of my inner shinan against aka mental illness. And
the thing that helps me decompress is Jack screaming on
vander Pump Rules or the Valley. So I understand what
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you're saying. I also want to go back to what
you're saying with Lindsay being iconic. So this most recent episode,
Lindsey drunkenly is so honest with Carl it's actually humbling
because I think, Wow, I have dated people, and I've
rarely been honest with them, at least to this extent.
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She as if she's talking to a child. She's like, so,
you know what turns me on is someone who's like
killing at life. And Carl goes, you don't think I'm
killing life and she goes, no, I know, I know,
and she's not wrong. It's just crazy. She's having this
conversation on camera, but she's like, I want to be
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a stay at home mom. I want to take care
of my kids. I need you to figure out what
you want to do. And she's like, sorry for like
being awkward. I'm not saying this correctly. I don't know,
but at the same time, you're like, no, you know
exactly what you're saying. You're like, sick of him not
making any money, and I mean the elephant in the
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room is that they're probably all making money on summerhouse
or they absolutely are, but it's all, oh, I'm sure
the pressure is okay when we're not shooting this, like
how are the bills getting paid? And I'm sure internally
they're probably spiraling because it's like we're all we're all
going to be forty five soon, and will this show
still be going when you know we're walking around the
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Hampton's house with babies. I mean, God willing it will be.
But Lindsay's right, She's right to be concerned. Carl is not,
you know, the smartest guy in the house. I would
give Page that honor. And I just found it wild
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to see someone being that honest with their partner.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I will say, I think she's she's right to be concerned,
but like, I also understand where he's coming from. Where
like every other season she's like, I'm an independent woman,
like I don't need anyone else, and like I'm a
publicist in my business and I'm opening Hubhouse Publications or whatever.
So it's like a little bit surprising to then be like, oh,
actually I want to be a stay at home mom,
so I need to be like soul breadwinner. And also
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I'm like it is like I think, what, Like, I
think she's being honest, but I also think like the
more honest part was just like her being like I'm
not turned on by that because like I think being
with someone who's I actually was with a thirty year
old man who was unemployed when I was twenty and
even that, like when I got a job. I was like, Okay,
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this is like not attracted to me at all that
you're at Central Park on like a Monday afternoon, Like
I'm just like, what are you doing? And like the
fact that he wasn't motivated really bothered me. And I
can see that being like a turnoff where you're like,
what do you even want in life? Like and then
the even more turn off to me would be like
coming up with the fucking cock a Maimie ideas like
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I'm gonna have a sober sports bar, Like it's like
the little things that he thinks are like really smart
and cool. Like I feel like she was more upset
that he's like, Oh I found my thing. It's actually
just gonna be Kyle doing me a favor again. And
it's like, oh, Kyle's gonna let you like represent and the
I don't know, I just like I feel like, you.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Know, I love that he's like it's a huge opportunity.
It's like yeah, the post and it's upper boy on Instagram,
I know.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And then they're talking about like how he's like she
makes more money because she's a woman, like getting brand deals.
I'm like what, and so that sucks, But I agree
that she was honest, and she was like, we actually
had a great conversation, like I'm really happy about it.
Turns out somebody else was was not super happy about that.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So he goes to his parents' house or his mother
and stepdad's house and basically says, you know, it's hard sometimes.
But Lindsay recently commented on a post about Carl going
to his parents and talking about the relationship and said
he should be a gardener, meaning he was planting seeds
for their breakup. Yeah, I don't think she was wrong.
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I do think that there was a part of him
that wanted to get out. But it's hard, Like it's hard.
It's so hard to be in a relationship where you
know the people around you are judging it and there's
a part of you that knows that it's wrong, but
you can't get out. And I feel like I do
see him in that predicament.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh, it's interesting because in season five or six or whatever,
when I'm on a sort of a bunch of sort
of similar conversations are happening with Kyle and Amanda, but
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it's so obvious that they're not planned at all. Like
Kyle goes outside it's not funny. It's actually so fucked up.
But he goes outside and he's like, oh my god,
she's such a fucking bitch sometimes, and Danielle's like what
And he's like, Amanda, like, we have nothing in common
and she's such a bitch to me.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
And Danielle said something like.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Are you guys happy, like it just seems like maybe
you guys aren't happy, and he's.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Like wait, what, Oh my god, what.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I don't want to talk about this, like this is
a lot of pressure. I'm getting married in six weeks.
And then similarly, the girls talk to Amanda and they're like, okay,
so you know you don't have to do this and
you don't seem happy and she's like no, no, I
like crying. It's like they are people who so clearly
shouldn't be together, but they when people bring it up
to them, they cannot deal at all. Like Kyle says,
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there's not a bone in my body that's questioning whether
we should get married. It's like okay, but you say,
shut the fuck up, and she's a fucking bitch about
the person you're supposed to marry.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Got it. And then with Kyle, I mean with Carl.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
It did seem like, Okay, you're going to your parents'
house on the Jersey Shore, you're going to a different
beach destination. And he wasn't really emotional. He was just like, yeah,
just stressful. It's just a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I could see a world in which Carl has known
this for much longer than we think, that he doesn't
want to be with her any more, and that the
whole season he's kind of trying to plant the seeds
because he doesn't have the guts to say something sooner.
But I also can see a world in which he's
doing the best he can. I also think watching old seasons,
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like Carl constantly does this thing where he.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Gets so excited about a girl.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
That he's like, this is my girlfriend, like, and everyone's like,
we've met her one time, what are you talking about.
So I think he has attachment issues and he is
desperate to be in like a secure relationship, and maybe
that's what rushed him towards things with Lindsay, and they
both just have kind of these deep seated issues and
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it's stark.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, we're going to see on the next episode that
he basically tells lindsay like, oh, my stepdad said he
wouldn't marry us, And you can see lindsay like frozen,
like what the fuck? And I think that is him
rocking the boat a little bit. But I think that
they're in love with their story. I think that if you're,
you know, sometimes stuck professionally, you go to your love
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life in terms of like what's happening here. I feel
like I have the opposite problem, where like all I
think about is work because my love life is so barren.
And I guess I think that you can sometimes fluctuate
from like one spectrum of your life to the other,
or area of your life to the other in terms
of like what do I have control over right now?
So maybe he's just putting all of his eggs in
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this basket because he's like forty and doesn't know what
he wants to do. Yeah, I think that just like Scandabal,
it's an interesting season because we know where we're going
to end up and we're watching it slowly happen.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I know it's really it's kind of a gift to
be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Meanwhile, in the worst neighborhood in the La aka the Valley,
we get to see some more forty year olds acting
like sixteen is like too mature of an age. I
would say fourteen or thirteen. And what I mean by
that is we finally get to the screaming Hallway fight
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between Jesse and Michelle, Jesse, Michelle, Kristin, and Kristen's nameless
boyfriend Luke. So basically what has happened is that there
are rumors that Kristin has brought up surrounding Michelle. And
one of my favorite things about Kristin is that she
keeps telling Michelle like, don't worry, I'll protect you in
front of people, which I think is so funny. It'd
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be like if we were at a party, Devin, and
I was like, don't worry, Devin, your secrets are safe
with me in front of everyone.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Kristin is just so sick actually, like she's so powerful
that I feel like she has controlled this narrative. By
the way, Lindsay similar to similarly to Kristin who said like,
I'm an mpath and that's really hard for me. Lindsay
also says that in like season five of Summer How,
She's like, well, I'm just an mpath and that's like
really hard for me.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Meanwhile, She's like meanwhile.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Then in season six, Maya's like, Hey, can I go
out with you guys? And Lindsay's like, no, I'm trying
to get fucking late, so no, and she's like, I'm
just an mpath like I feel everyone's feelings too much.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I think we all and the throes of my drinking
career in my early twenties definitely had that feeling when
like girls would be like can I go out with you?
I'd be like no, because we're on We're in different
lines with different goals. I'm not having a girl's night.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
That's the thing with Lindsay is like it's iconic and
you have to like admire her for that, like just
being like no, and the fact that her relationship with
Danielle is exclusively like this is what I'm doing and
what I need, so like if you can come along, great,
and that's all I want to talk about. Like Danielle
never once talks to Lindsay about like what's going on
with her. It's always like, Okay, so now who do
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you want to hook up with next? Like that's their
whole relationship. When Lindsay is single, is Danielle saying like,
how can I help you hook up with who you
want to hook up with? Meanwhile, Kristin says she's an
EmPATH and she has somehow like she has made herself
in my eyes, especially rewatching the Scandaal episodes where she
like comes arian his house, I was like, oh, you
know what, Like she's just kooky, Like I you know,
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Kristin is mentally ill and that's charming and like whatever.
And then this episode I was like, oh, you are sinister,
but so is everyone. Like I don't think there's a
good person on the show besides Brittany, as I've said,
who famously just went to Biden's White House for the
White House Correspondence dinner. Other than Brittany, I don't think
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there is a single good person on the show.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So it's hard.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
But it's like she is throwing very damaging information around
about people on a whim.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And that's uh not that she's also getting wrong. I
am a Christen apologist, I think, just because like I've
been with her for so long, like I want to
root for her. Unfortunately, like she's done so many damaging
things to people, But she does tell Michelle, your husband
says he's going to divorce you in two months. Jack
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even Jack's like Jack's being the voice of reason is insane.
Jackson's like, no, that's not what happened. Jesse thinks Michelle
is going to leave him, and finally Kristen's like, I'm
not gonna say anything that would affect your family. By
the end of the episode, she's like, guess what, Michelle
has a boyfriend. There it's all out there, and I
do believe Michelle has a boyfriend. She just very much
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has like a distant vibe from her husband. By the way,
as Kristin puts it, Kristen's like, I don't care because
I think Jesse's a piece of shit. I'm like, good
for Michelle, you have a husband, Like I mean, sorry,
good for Michelle, you have a boyfriend, Like your husband
seems like an emotionally abusive, terrible person, Like you should
have a boyfriend. There are worse things than cheating, and
one of them is being Jesse Lally but a yeah,
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I'm more fascinated by Luke at this point, Like I'm
just like, how are you in a relationship with Kriston?
He seems like a drama queen.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, and I'm like, ew, like.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
How he's like I have a secret that could blow
everything up.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, it's like he's one of those guys who's like
sort of like remotely attractive and like nice seeming where
you're like, oh, like we can trust this guy, and
then he like kills the babysitter or something like I feel.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Like, I, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I don't trust whatever is going on there.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Well, I'm very excited again to see the slow motion
train wreck. That will be Brittany and Jack's breaking up,
that will be Jesse and Michelle separating. It's a lot,
and I were privileged to be able to watch it.
And I do think Nia and it's Nia, right, Nia
and Danny. You know, it's impossible to know. Nia and Danny,
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the beauty queen and the former hand Montana actor who
dyes his hair jet black, are like seemingly a very
nice couple, even though he did tell her like why
don't I have dinner on the table when I get home?
And it's like she has three children and his nursing twins,
so like be respectful.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And he's like, I'm the sole bread winner though, like
he's like, oh, Nia has a sponsorship deal with a
crib brand, but I'm the sole bread winner.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Like, how about it's mostly off my checks or whatever.
It's like, what do you even do?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
What do you even do?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I when I keep replaying in my head, it's him
in his closet doing monster noises for the Walking Dead supposedly,
and then going, hey, what are you doing here? In
like a horrible New York accident and you hear You're thinking,
like what could that possibly be for?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, no, I don't want to know. Oh yeah, I
forgot he's a voice actor, though I guess he probably
does make a good amount of money. I should be okay,
but anyone hiring let me know. Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
So that episode ended in an ultimate showdown, where isn't
Zach the gay guy?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Or Kyle Kristin Kristen Christen.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
He gets thrown in.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Someone put it in slow mo and like it is
just like adults, adults falling or flailing around is like
actually so funny and so bad. That's why, Like when
it happens on the street, it's like everyone just wants
to pretend that didn't happen because it's so funny and
it's so bad, and like that's what I watched a
slo mo of that like eight times.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I need you to send that to me because that
will make me so happy. I now I'm just thinking
about Zach yelling Kristin Krestin, Kresten Christen, it's so good.
Yeah again, I'm so grateful. I can't wait. I saw
a review of Jacks's in Studio City that was terrible,
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and there was a picture of Jack's holding up crews
on the bar with a pile of diapers next to him,
and they were saying they just he just changed his
son's diaper on the bar where he serves food.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
No, no, that's gonna be a no.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So that's a just another update about you know, like
one of my favorite TV characters of all time, Jack's.
Speaking of Jack. Oh yeah, you will not catch me
ordering a meal at Jackson's in Studio City. You will
not catch me in the valley unless I'm supposed to
be there for work. I do want to speak about
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vander Pump Rules briefly, because I do believe this season
is getting better. La Law is unfortunately becoming a villain,
which I chalk it up to her just wanting to
support her children. And so you know, take that with
a grain of salt. Katie and Schwartz are currently quote
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unquote dating the same girl, which I think is like
complete bullshit and so scripted, and it really bothers me.
Like the girl sits down with Katie and like, within
like twenty seconds, it is like I really want to
kiss you, and You're like, give me a break. This
is like the worst fake. This so faker than poorn.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Okay, it's faker than porn.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
But I will say, like Katie dusting gay?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh no, Katie's definitely tracked to women.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
No, no, no, Like I'm like the way that she has
really fallen into that haircut, it makes.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Me think that she's probably gay.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But and the way that she like so happily lived
in a sexless marriage for so long, although I think
a lot of people probably do that, and you sorry,
you can.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Be sexlessly married and not be gay. I'm sorry I
ever said otherwise.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But I think, yeah, that was awkward and weirdly a
forced storyline, but luckily it did seem to bring her
and Schwartz back together as friends.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Question Mark with like a weird blirty vibe.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Do think they want to be friends? They have an
ease with each other, which I think just happens when
you know someone for twelve years, like even if they're
disgusting like Schwartz is, and she's clearly still upset about him,
you know, regarding things that happened in their marriage. But
I think because she's so independent, she has like a
cute apartment, she seems to be living her best life
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and seems so much happier than when she was married.
I think she has like this good, detached relationship with him,
which you know, I wish I could have with my ex.
But oh my god. I went to an art opening
the other night and it was hosted by mutual friends
I share with an ex, and I was so hopeful
that he would show up, just because I wanted drama interesting.
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I was just like, I don't even I'm not like
a fight or anything, not that kind of drama. Just
I wanted intrigue. I wanted to like see if I
could like gauge how he felt about me. I'm fully
like I journal every morning, and every time I journal,
I'm like, I want to let go of this person.
I want a new love life. I have some crushes,
Like I think I'm moving on from this person, but
I still love, you know, just something to think about.
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I was very disappointed that I didn't get to like
run into him and his new girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
You mean, something to think about.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But we have a great moment where Sheena yells at
Tom Sandoval saying that she's having fucked up thoughts about
Laala and Brock, which you're like, no offense, but who
would want to be with Brock? And that's all because
of Sandoval. And then Sandival goes, you were the other
woman once and everyone goes insane. Lala is like, oh
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hell no, in her black scent, and Sina just like
hysterically screams at Sanda Bal like I was fucking twenty one.
And you know, I just felt like, oh, I felt
like a sense of calm in my body. And it
was because vander pump Rolls was back to being what
it was supposed to be, which was, you know, like
people screaming at each other.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Also, I forgot to mention how much I loved that
when everyone called out Jacks were constantly saying he's a dad,
like I'm a dad now, I'm a dad, I'm a
dad now. But that was okay, this is what I'll
say about that, like I and I think this moment
was this episode two where like James is like, oh,
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I can't let Graham Cracker stay with like a stranger
and you guys don't understand and Lala is like, you
think I don't understand about like having your child stay
with somebody you don't want it to and it's like,
all right, he wasn't thinking about that, And like say,
when she jumps up at Sheena the Mistress thing, she's like, this.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Is about me because I was.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
It's like Lala makes everything about her in a way
that's like really bothersome.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
And I also love.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
That Sina was like, yeah, I was twenty one years old,
Like that is the whole thing is like, yeah, we all.
By the way, Sandoval was also cheating on people when
he was twenty, but now he's still doing it and
he's forty, and that's what the problem is. It's a
problem anyway. But I hated when Lisa vander Pump said
that too. By the way, rewatching the Sand of All Seasons,
where she's like everyone in this group has done something
like this and.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It's like right, But that was when they were in
their twenties.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yes, it's still bad, but like they were like getting
blackout drunk in their early twenties, It's different than being
a full blown adult in a nine year partnership with
someone and sharing a house with them.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Like, it's not the same thing.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
That's Lisa vander Pump. The fact that, like Lisa vander Pump,
Let's be honest, is like one of the more immature
like women in her sixties that we will ever meet.
Like she weirdly sexualizes like twenty year old. She's always
making a joke about sex. She you know, what's her
house called again? It's like Villa Rolla Rosa. It's so crazy.
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I just don't really understand her. I do want to
interrupt this broadcast to talk about some news. Devin and
I have wait.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Before we talk about the news, I have to make
a statement, which is that I have never received such
backlash in my life as I did for the comments
I made about Tortured Poets Department on the podcast last week,
and I was it was brought up in my Taylor
Swift group chat that I should be kicked off the
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group chat, and it was also said that it's obvious
that I didn't really listen to the album, and one
thing I will say is I stand by that the
album could have been edited down. I stand by that
I wish it was like a little bit more sad
or a little bit more fun, and that it was
like repetitive. But I will say that I do think
this album is more genius than I initially thought. Like
when I did listen to it again, I was like, Okay,
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this is like kind of amazing the talent she has
to like write these allegories.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
About love that we can like all relate to.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And I really see myself in a lot of the songs,
such as and I.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Hate to say it, hate to say I relate to
a song.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
With this title, But but Daddy, I Love.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Him is deeply meaningful to me.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
And so is down Bad, where she creates an allegory
of being abducted by aliens and relates it to being
love bombed in the sense of like I was like
brought up into this world that I didn't know, and
now I'm back on the earth and like nobody understands me,
and also like I'm waving at the ship.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Come pick me up.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I will say, like I think that if anybody else
wrote this album, I would think they were a genius.
But it's just because Taylor is so talented and because
so many of her other albums are so genius that
it was like slightly like oh, but if anything, it's
a testament to how talented she is that we feel
that way, and I hope I get to stay on
the group chat.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I was contacted by Beth Jacob's friend of the pod,
who did say that she was going to report our podcast.
I truly can't remember what I said that was so offensive,
because sometimes after recording these podcasts, I have you know
what I used to call a blackout where I can't
remember a word I've.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Said, specifically in reference to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yes, I just don't recall like anything I've said. Well,
it's not also a really bad memory. I was almost
kicked out of middle school for getting lost all the time.
I just like have a little bit of an airhead quality.
Some might say Devin's nodding.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I mean, I'm just saying, yeah, if you're not remembering
any statement you made and can't be if you're saying
you can't be held accountable to.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Anything, I can't set on the podcast for four.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Years, then okay. But speaking of four years. There ain't
gonna be four more.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
We like to give a news in that abrupt fashion
with heavy hearts pumped full of blood. We would like
to say that our podcast only has a few episodes left.
It's coming to an end. We could have done this
podcast for the rest of our lives. Unfortunately advertisers did
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not agree. And you know, we're sad. But also it's
so hard to look back with anything other than gratitude.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, you know, it was bound to happen.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
As it became more consistent that the only likes on
our Instagram were me and Carolina's mom, not even Carolina,
by the way, just me and Carolina's mom two likes.
The more consistent that became as a pattern, the more
I thought, like, you know, I don't know that this
is the next pod save America.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I don't I don't know that maybe not.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
It's you know, it is really sad.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
This podcast has changed my life because I really didn't
think of myself. I had such low self a scene
when it started, and I didn't think of myself as
like a funny person or someone who could like perform
in any way in this capacity. And it's been such
an adventure to be able to do it and like
talk to so many people that we both admire and
also about so many things that we love to talk about.
(31:23):
And the fact that anyone ever wanted to listen to
that is like life changing. And also that we've been
able to like hear from listeners who we like relate to,
like all the emails and messages we've gotten is something
that I will always value.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, it's like truly cherished to me.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I completely agree, and I think that this podcast is
something that I will be forever proud of. And I
remember when the third episode came out, and I don't
want to go to in the Weeds because I think
we'll save that for the last episode, but I remember
when the third episode came out, I had this feeling of,
no matter if it's as a success or a failure,
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this is exactly what I wanted it to be like.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And by this you meant something that you couldn't remember
the contents of at all because of me.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I don't remember what I said in the third episode,
but I remember feeling like, this is exactly the tone
I want to be, This is exactly what I want
to be talking about. This is exactly who I want
to be doing it with. And you know, I think
that's really rare to be able to have creative control
over a project and feel like it's really your own.
So you know, we don't again, we'll be talking more
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about this and more about the legacy. But I agree
with Devin, just to echo what she said. You know,
like the messages we've gotten about sobriety, about breakups, about depression,
about you know, parent relationships, you know, boundaries, just all
of our favorite topics. They've been profound and I've I've
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felt connected to a lot of people that I've never
met and never will meet, but I connected through these
common human experiences. And I'm grateful for devn and the
vulnerability that you know, we both decided to we both
decided to go out on a limb and just talk
about our love lives. And I remember, well, the comment
(33:15):
I get the most about it is from listeners saying, like,
you guys are so open and just put everything out there,
and that's something I'm really proud of.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I'm really grateful for you too, and my legs and
my heart remain open.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Mine too, well kind of. I did a Tara reading
today and I said, I was defensive about love, and
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
All Right, well your metaphorically, our legs are open to opportunities.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
My legs are open to opportunities.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Let's say that.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And until next time, we have a few episodes left,
so don't worry. We will continue to talk about the
main characters in our lives. I love you, Devin, love you.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Care Involunted was a little love. I want true.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
It's true, true, it's so romantic. Love me, baby, don't
leave me, haggin. I want true
Oh, I watch.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello and Welcome to True Romance. This is Carolina.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Barlow and this is Devin Leary.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You guys, Bravo has really been showing up for me lately,
and I've realized in a few social outings a few
I say, because I still hide from the world due
to severe trauma and not recovering from if you guys
can recall the twenty twenty COVID pandemic, I have still
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gone outside a few times, and I meet people I do,
and once in a while I meet someone who watches
Bravo and it is like two shipwrecked sailors uniting on
a desert island. I just feel like, here is someone
who speaks my language. And with this current season of
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Summer House with you know, the second half of the
season of vander Pump Rules with you know, the new
show that's really given my mood to boost the valley,
I feel like we have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I think there's very few things to talk about in general.
And one of the reasons I like being a woman
is that we don't have to talk about like sports
and movies all the time, right, And I agree that
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when you meet someone who watches Bravo. It's like, okay,
so we are probably similar types of people and we
have so much between us, and it's like a whole
new world is about to begin. Also, I'm rewatching old
episodes of Summerhouse, as everyone knows, and like it's you
(02:06):
would think I had never seen it before, Like I'm
hanging on every word of every episode. I think it's
a really underrated franchise. Like I know everyone's watching right
now because of Carl and Lindsay, but it's actually always
been giving a lot and the dynamics have always been
(02:29):
hinging on this level of it's actually a show about
like codependency and alcoholism, and samely between Carl between it's
like Lindsay and Kyle are like the suns that everything
else orbits around, and like either Danielle or Carl or
(02:49):
that random hobbit man Steven who was briefly there, Like
they're all like entering the orbits of Kyle and Lindsey
and they just continue to kind of be like tornadoes
with a lot of damage in their wake. And it's
(03:10):
really fascinating. Like I forgot how fucking bad it was
between Amanda and Kyle right before they got married. It's
like so stark and awful, and like she's like constantly
nagging him and being like, Kyle, Kyle, don't do this,
don't do that because she hates him. And then he's
calling her a bitch and saying they have nothing in common,
and then she's saying he didn't get me a birthday
(03:31):
gift and my parents. The first night they get to
the summerhouse, he blacks out and stays out till four am,
and she's like, my parents said, if he can't control
his drinking, then we're not getting married. And then he
has to pay for the wedding, which is two hundred
and fifty thousand.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Dollars, which is insane.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's just like so much.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in her parents' backyard,
by the way, Like she's like, we're actually having it
at my parents' house, so like that's really nice, and
it's like, but then why is it so expensive when also,
by the way, they own an alcohol brand, like you
would think a lot of the alcohol is also like
not being paid for.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I just like don't understand how that's happening.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I don't even drink, but I do feel bad that
the whole house has to drink lover or boy, do
you know what I mean? Like, I'm like I would
hate having to drink some shitty, sugary beverage.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I think it's like just water to them. It's like
they're never not having something. By the way, I do
have to say something about Lindsay, which is she is
toxic and she has a lot of superit issues. But
like my overall headline about Lindsay is like she's iconic. Honestly,
(04:41):
I'm like she is screaming a man is working from
home that her boyfriend's working from home and says like,
can you make me a sandwich?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And she screams at him.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
How many fucking sandwiches have you made for me? Like
the way that she goes off is actually so iconic,
and like her saying like if I want to have
sex with Austin, I will do that. Like she just
I kind of am like obsessed, But I also think
she's so not a girl's girl, and that sucks.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
It's fascinating how obsessed.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Danielle is with her, and like Danielle, like Stephen wanted
to like leave the house because Lindsay screamed at him
for not Lindsay got so wasted that she could barely talk,
so she went to bed and he stayed awake, and
then she like came up she like returned from the
dead and like shot up in bed and like came
up stairs and was like, you need to hang out
with your fucking girlfriend. And they get in like a
(05:34):
huge fight, and he's like I want to I want
you to drink water, and she's like you're not having
fun and you never have fun, like and what you
think is good is not good enough for me, so whatever,
and so then he's gonna leave and Danielle takes his
suitcase from him because she's like Lindsay has abandonment issues,
Like you can't.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's like so sick, it's so sick.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And then like the next season, it's Lindsay's birthday and
Danielle's trying to be like, Okay, Lindsay has to have
the most fun possible on her birthday and like if
anyone steps in away for having fun on her birthday.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Like this is what I'm gonna do, Like I'm gonna stop.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
The I'm just like, are you okay? Like what is
going on in this dynamic? But the thing is it's
so addicting because I'm like, oh, I know what's coming.
Like then I know Lindsay and her are going to
have a falling out. I have to see that. I
know Amanda is going to have like her dramatic weight
loss and everyone's worried about her. I have to see that.
Like it's just so addicting and it it does give
me so much, but also to the extent where I
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worry about myself because I'm like, why am I doing
nothing besides watching this?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And it's like all I can really think about to.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
The extent that I'm worrying about myself is the correct answer.
I you know, come home sometimes from a stressful day
of work, and when I say stressful, I mean stressful
because of my inner shinan against aka mental illness. And
the thing that helps me decompress is Jack screaming on
vander Pump Rules or the Valley. So I understand what
(06:53):
you're saying. I also want to go back to what
you're saying with Lindsay being iconic. So this most recent episode,
Lindsey drunkenly is so honest with Carl it's actually humbling
because I think, Wow, I have dated people, and I've
rarely been honest with them, at least to this extent.
(07:13):
She as if she's talking to a child. She's like, so,
you know what turns me on is someone who's like
killing at life. And Carl goes, you don't think I'm
killing life and she goes, no, I know, I know,
and she's not wrong. It's just crazy. She's having this
conversation on camera, but she's like, I want to be
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a stay at home mom. I want to take care
of my kids. I need you to figure out what
you want to do. And she's like, sorry for like
being awkward. I'm not saying this correctly. I don't know,
but at the same time, you're like, no, you know
exactly what you're saying. You're like, sick of him not
making any money, and I mean the elephant in the
(07:54):
room is that they're probably all making money on summerhouse
or they absolutely are, but it's all, oh, I'm sure
the pressure is okay when we're not shooting this, like
how are the bills getting paid? And I'm sure internally
they're probably spiraling because it's like we're all we're all
going to be forty five soon, and will this show
still be going when you know we're walking around the
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Hampton's house with babies. I mean, God willing it will be.
But Lindsay's right, She's right to be concerned. Carl is not,
you know, the smartest guy in the house. I would
give Page that honor. And I just found it wild
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to see someone being that honest with their partner.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I will say, I think she's she's right to be concerned,
but like, I also understand where he's coming from. Where
like every other season she's like, I'm an independent woman,
like I don't need anyone else, and like I'm a
publicist in my business and I'm opening Hubhouse Publications or whatever.
So it's like a little bit surprising to then be like, oh,
actually I want to be a stay at home mom,
so I need to be like soul breadwinner. And also
(09:02):
I'm like it is like I think, what, Like, I
think she's being honest, but I also think like the
more honest part was just like her being like I'm
not turned on by that because like I think being
with someone who's I actually was with a thirty year
old man who was unemployed when I was twenty and
even that, like when I got a job. I was like, Okay,
(09:22):
this is like not attracted to me at all that
you're at Central Park on like a Monday afternoon, Like
I'm just like, what are you doing? And like the
fact that he wasn't motivated really bothered me. And I
can see that being like a turnoff where you're like,
what do you even want in life? Like and then
the even more turn off to me would be like
coming up with the fucking cock a Maimie ideas like
(09:45):
I'm gonna have a sober sports bar, Like it's like
the little things that he thinks are like really smart
and cool. Like I feel like she was more upset
that he's like, Oh I found my thing. It's actually
just gonna be Kyle doing me a favor again. And
it's like, oh, Kyle's gonna let you like represent and the
I don't know, I just like I feel like, you.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Know, I love that he's like it's a huge opportunity.
It's like yeah, the post and it's upper boy on Instagram,
I know.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And then they're talking about like how he's like she
makes more money because she's a woman, like getting brand deals.
I'm like what, and so that sucks, But I agree
that she was honest, and she was like, we actually
had a great conversation, like I'm really happy about it.
Turns out somebody else was was not super happy about that.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So he goes to his parents' house or his mother
and stepdad's house and basically says, you know, it's hard sometimes.
But Lindsay recently commented on a post about Carl going
to his parents and talking about the relationship and said
he should be a gardener, meaning he was planting seeds
for their breakup. Yeah, I don't think she was wrong.
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I do think that there was a part of him
that wanted to get out. But it's hard, Like it's hard.
It's so hard to be in a relationship where you
know the people around you are judging it and there's
a part of you that knows that it's wrong, but
you can't get out. And I feel like I do
see him in that predicament.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh, it's interesting because in season five or six or whatever,
when I'm on a sort of a bunch of sort
of similar conversations are happening with Kyle and Amanda, but
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it's so obvious that they're not planned at all. Like
Kyle goes outside it's not funny. It's actually so fucked up.
But he goes outside and he's like, oh my god,
she's such a fucking bitch sometimes, and Danielle's like what
And he's like, Amanda, like, we have nothing in common
and she's such a bitch to me.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
And Danielle said something like.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Are you guys happy, like it just seems like maybe
you guys aren't happy, and he's.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Like wait, what, Oh my god, what.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I don't want to talk about this, like this is
a lot of pressure. I'm getting married in six weeks.
And then similarly, the girls talk to Amanda and they're like, okay,
so you know you don't have to do this and
you don't seem happy and she's like no, no, I
like crying. It's like they are people who so clearly
shouldn't be together, but they when people bring it up
to them, they cannot deal at all. Like Kyle says,
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there's not a bone in my body that's questioning whether
we should get married. It's like okay, but you say,
shut the fuck up, and she's a fucking bitch about
the person you're supposed to marry.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Got it. And then with Kyle, I mean with Carl.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
It did seem like, Okay, you're going to your parents'
house on the Jersey Shore, you're going to a different
beach destination. And he wasn't really emotional. He was just like, yeah,
just stressful. It's just a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I could see a world in which Carl has known
this for much longer than we think, that he doesn't
want to be with her any more, and that the
whole season he's kind of trying to plant the seeds
because he doesn't have the guts to say something sooner.
But I also can see a world in which he's
doing the best he can. I also think watching old seasons,
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like Carl constantly does this thing where he.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Gets so excited about a girl.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
That he's like, this is my girlfriend, like, and everyone's like,
we've met her one time, what are you talking about.
So I think he has attachment issues and he is
desperate to be in like a secure relationship, and maybe
that's what rushed him towards things with Lindsay, and they
both just have kind of these deep seated issues and
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it's stark.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, we're going to see on the next episode that
he basically tells lindsay like, oh, my stepdad said he
wouldn't marry us, And you can see lindsay like frozen,
like what the fuck? And I think that is him
rocking the boat a little bit. But I think that
they're in love with their story. I think that if you're,
you know, sometimes stuck professionally, you go to your love
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life in terms of like what's happening here. I feel
like I have the opposite problem, where like all I
think about is work because my love life is so barren.
And I guess I think that you can sometimes fluctuate
from like one spectrum of your life to the other,
or area of your life to the other in terms
of like what do I have control over right now?
So maybe he's just putting all of his eggs in
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this basket because he's like forty and doesn't know what
he wants to do. Yeah, I think that just like Scandabal,
it's an interesting season because we know where we're going
to end up and we're watching it slowly happen.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I know it's really it's kind of a gift to
be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Meanwhile, in the worst neighborhood in the La aka the Valley,
we get to see some more forty year olds acting
like sixteen is like too mature of an age. I
would say fourteen or thirteen. And what I mean by
that is we finally get to the screaming Hallway fight
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between Jesse and Michelle, Jesse, Michelle, Kristin, and Kristen's nameless
boyfriend Luke. So basically what has happened is that there
are rumors that Kristin has brought up surrounding Michelle. And
one of my favorite things about Kristin is that she
keeps telling Michelle like, don't worry, I'll protect you in
front of people, which I think is so funny. It'd
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be like if we were at a party, Devin, and
I was like, don't worry, Devin, your secrets are safe
with me in front of everyone.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Kristin is just so sick actually, like she's so powerful
that I feel like she has controlled this narrative. By
the way, Lindsay similar to similarly to Kristin who said like,
I'm an mpath and that's really hard for me. Lindsay
also says that in like season five of Summer How,
She's like, well, I'm just an mpath and that's like
really hard for me.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Meanwhile, She's like meanwhile.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Then in season six, Maya's like, Hey, can I go
out with you guys? And Lindsay's like, no, I'm trying
to get fucking late, so no, and she's like, I'm
just an mpath like I feel everyone's feelings too much.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I think we all and the throes of my drinking
career in my early twenties definitely had that feeling when
like girls would be like can I go out with you?
I'd be like no, because we're on We're in different
lines with different goals. I'm not having a girl's night.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
That's the thing with Lindsay is like it's iconic and
you have to like admire her for that, like just
being like no, and the fact that her relationship with
Danielle is exclusively like this is what I'm doing and
what I need, so like if you can come along, great,
and that's all I want to talk about. Like Danielle
never once talks to Lindsay about like what's going on
with her. It's always like, Okay, so now who do
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you want to hook up with next? Like that's their
whole relationship. When Lindsay is single, is Danielle saying like,
how can I help you hook up with who you
want to hook up with? Meanwhile, Kristin says she's an
EmPATH and she has somehow like she has made herself
in my eyes, especially rewatching the Scandaal episodes where she
like comes arian his house, I was like, oh, you
know what, Like she's just kooky, Like I you know,
(16:59):
Kristin is mentally ill and that's charming and like whatever.
And then this episode I was like, oh, you are sinister,
but so is everyone. Like I don't think there's a
good person on the show besides Brittany, as I've said,
who famously just went to Biden's White House for the
White House Correspondence dinner. Other than Brittany, I don't think
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there is a single good person on the show.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So it's hard.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
But it's like she is throwing very damaging information around
about people on a whim.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And that's uh not that she's also getting wrong. I
am a Christen apologist, I think, just because like I've
been with her for so long, like I want to
root for her. Unfortunately, like she's done so many damaging
things to people, But she does tell Michelle, your husband
says he's going to divorce you in two months. Jack
(17:51):
even Jack's like Jack's being the voice of reason is insane.
Jackson's like, no, that's not what happened. Jesse thinks Michelle
is going to leave him, and finally Kristen's like, I'm
not gonna say anything that would affect your family. By
the end of the episode, she's like, guess what, Michelle
has a boyfriend. There it's all out there, and I
do believe Michelle has a boyfriend. She just very much
(18:13):
has like a distant vibe from her husband. By the way,
as Kristin puts it, Kristen's like, I don't care because
I think Jesse's a piece of shit. I'm like, good
for Michelle, you have a husband, Like I mean, sorry,
good for Michelle, you have a boyfriend, Like your husband
seems like an emotionally abusive, terrible person, Like you should
have a boyfriend. There are worse things than cheating, and
one of them is being Jesse Lally but a yeah,
(18:37):
I'm more fascinated by Luke at this point, Like I'm
just like, how are you in a relationship with Kriston?
He seems like a drama queen.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, and I'm like, ew, like.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
How he's like I have a secret that could blow
everything up.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, it's like he's one of those guys who's like
sort of like remotely attractive and like nice seeming where
you're like, oh, like we can trust this guy, and
then he like kills the babysitter or something like I feel.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Like, I, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I don't trust whatever is going on there.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Well, I'm very excited again to see the slow motion
train wreck. That will be Brittany and Jack's breaking up,
that will be Jesse and Michelle separating. It's a lot,
and I were privileged to be able to watch it.
And I do think Nia and it's Nia, right, Nia
and Danny. You know, it's impossible to know. Nia and Danny,
(19:33):
the beauty queen and the former hand Montana actor who
dyes his hair jet black, are like seemingly a very
nice couple, even though he did tell her like why
don't I have dinner on the table when I get home?
And it's like she has three children and his nursing twins,
so like be respectful.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And he's like, I'm the sole bread winner though, like
he's like, oh, Nia has a sponsorship deal with a
crib brand, but I'm the sole bread winner.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Like, how about it's mostly off my checks or whatever.
It's like, what do you even do?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
What do you even do?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I when I keep replaying in my head, it's him
in his closet doing monster noises for the Walking Dead supposedly,
and then going, hey, what are you doing here? In
like a horrible New York accident and you hear You're thinking,
like what could that possibly be for?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, no, I don't want to know. Oh yeah, I
forgot he's a voice actor, though I guess he probably
does make a good amount of money. I should be okay,
but anyone hiring let me know. Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
So that episode ended in an ultimate showdown, where isn't
Zach the gay guy?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Or Kyle Kristin Kristen Christen.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
He gets thrown in.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Someone put it in slow mo and like it is
just like adults, adults falling or flailing around is like
actually so funny and so bad. That's why, Like when
it happens on the street, it's like everyone just wants
to pretend that didn't happen because it's so funny and
it's so bad, and like that's what I watched a
slo mo of that like eight times.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I need you to send that to me because that
will make me so happy. I now I'm just thinking
about Zach yelling Kristin Krestin, Kresten Christen, it's so good.
Yeah again, I'm so grateful. I can't wait. I saw
a review of Jacks's in Studio City that was terrible,
(21:37):
and there was a picture of Jack's holding up crews
on the bar with a pile of diapers next to him,
and they were saying they just he just changed his
son's diaper on the bar where he serves food.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
No, no, that's gonna be a no.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So that's a just another update about you know, like
one of my favorite TV characters of all time, Jack's.
Speaking of Jack. Oh yeah, you will not catch me
ordering a meal at Jackson's in Studio City. You will
not catch me in the valley unless I'm supposed to
be there for work. I do want to speak about
(22:20):
vander Pump Rules briefly, because I do believe this season
is getting better. La Law is unfortunately becoming a villain,
which I chalk it up to her just wanting to
support her children. And so you know, take that with
a grain of salt. Katie and Schwartz are currently quote
(22:40):
unquote dating the same girl, which I think is like
complete bullshit and so scripted, and it really bothers me.
Like the girl sits down with Katie and like, within
like twenty seconds, it is like I really want to
kiss you, and You're like, give me a break. This
is like the worst fake. This so faker than poorn.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Okay, it's faker than porn.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
But I will say, like Katie dusting gay?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh no, Katie's definitely tracked to women.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
No, no, no, Like I'm like the way that she has
really fallen into that haircut, it makes.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Me think that she's probably gay.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But and the way that she like so happily lived
in a sexless marriage for so long, although I think
a lot of people probably do that, and you sorry,
you can.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Be sexlessly married and not be gay. I'm sorry I
ever said otherwise.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But I think, yeah, that was awkward and weirdly a
forced storyline, but luckily it did seem to bring her
and Schwartz back together as friends.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Question Mark with like a weird blirty vibe.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Do think they want to be friends? They have an
ease with each other, which I think just happens when
you know someone for twelve years, like even if they're
disgusting like Schwartz is, and she's clearly still upset about him,
you know, regarding things that happened in their marriage. But
I think because she's so independent, she has like a
cute apartment, she seems to be living her best life
(24:08):
and seems so much happier than when she was married.
I think she has like this good, detached relationship with him,
which you know, I wish I could have with my ex.
But oh my god. I went to an art opening
the other night and it was hosted by mutual friends
I share with an ex, and I was so hopeful
that he would show up, just because I wanted drama interesting.
(24:30):
I was just like, I don't even I'm not like
a fight or anything, not that kind of drama. Just
I wanted intrigue. I wanted to like see if I
could like gauge how he felt about me. I'm fully
like I journal every morning, and every time I journal,
I'm like, I want to let go of this person.
I want a new love life. I have some crushes,
Like I think I'm moving on from this person, but
I still love, you know, just something to think about.
(24:55):
I was very disappointed that I didn't get to like
run into him and his new girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
You mean, something to think about.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But we have a great moment where Sheena yells at
Tom Sandoval saying that she's having fucked up thoughts about
Laala and Brock, which you're like, no offense, but who
would want to be with Brock? And that's all because
of Sandoval. And then Sandival goes, you were the other
woman once and everyone goes insane. Lala is like, oh
(25:22):
hell no, in her black scent, and Sina just like
hysterically screams at Sanda Bal like I was fucking twenty one.
And you know, I just felt like, oh, I felt
like a sense of calm in my body. And it
was because vander pump Rolls was back to being what
it was supposed to be, which was, you know, like
people screaming at each other.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Also, I forgot to mention how much I loved that
when everyone called out Jacks were constantly saying he's a dad,
like I'm a dad now, I'm a dad, I'm a
dad now. But that was okay, this is what I'll
say about that, like I and I think this moment
was this episode two where like James is like, oh,
(26:04):
I can't let Graham Cracker stay with like a stranger
and you guys don't understand and Lala is like, you
think I don't understand about like having your child stay
with somebody you don't want it to and it's like,
all right, he wasn't thinking about that, And like say,
when she jumps up at Sheena the Mistress thing, she's like, this.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Is about me because I was.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
It's like Lala makes everything about her in a way
that's like really bothersome.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
And I also love.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
That Sina was like, yeah, I was twenty one years old,
Like that is the whole thing is like, yeah, we all.
By the way, Sandoval was also cheating on people when
he was twenty, but now he's still doing it and
he's forty, and that's what the problem is. It's a
problem anyway. But I hated when Lisa vander Pump said
that too. By the way, rewatching the Sand of All Seasons,
where she's like everyone in this group has done something
like this and.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It's like right, But that was when they were in
their twenties.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yes, it's still bad, but like they were like getting
blackout drunk in their early twenties, It's different than being
a full blown adult in a nine year partnership with
someone and sharing a house with them.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Like, it's not the same thing.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
That's Lisa vander Pump. The fact that, like Lisa vander Pump,
Let's be honest, is like one of the more immature
like women in her sixties that we will ever meet.
Like she weirdly sexualizes like twenty year old. She's always
making a joke about sex. She you know, what's her
house called again? It's like Villa Rolla Rosa. It's so crazy.
(27:23):
I just don't really understand her. I do want to
interrupt this broadcast to talk about some news. Devin and
I have wait.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Before we talk about the news, I have to make
a statement, which is that I have never received such
backlash in my life as I did for the comments
I made about Tortured Poets Department on the podcast last week,
and I was it was brought up in my Taylor
Swift group chat that I should be kicked off the
(27:54):
group chat, and it was also said that it's obvious
that I didn't really listen to the album, and one
thing I will say is I stand by that the
album could have been edited down. I stand by that
I wish it was like a little bit more sad
or a little bit more fun, and that it was
like repetitive. But I will say that I do think
this album is more genius than I initially thought. Like
when I did listen to it again, I was like, Okay,
(28:17):
this is like kind of amazing the talent she has
to like write these allegories.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
About love that we can like all relate to.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And I really see myself in a lot of the songs,
such as and I.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Hate to say it, hate to say I relate to
a song.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
With this title, But but Daddy, I Love.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Him is deeply meaningful to me.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
And so is down Bad, where she creates an allegory
of being abducted by aliens and relates it to being
love bombed in the sense of like I was like
brought up into this world that I didn't know, and
now I'm back on the earth and like nobody understands me,
and also like I'm waving at the ship.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Come pick me up.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I will say, like I think that if anybody else
wrote this album, I would think they were a genius.
But it's just because Taylor is so talented and because
so many of her other albums are so genius that
it was like slightly like oh, but if anything, it's
a testament to how talented she is that we feel
that way, and I hope I get to stay on
the group chat.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I was contacted by Beth Jacob's friend of the pod,
who did say that she was going to report our podcast.
I truly can't remember what I said that was so offensive,
because sometimes after recording these podcasts, I have you know
what I used to call a blackout where I can't
remember a word I've.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Said, specifically in reference to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yes, I just don't recall like anything I've said. Well,
it's not also a really bad memory. I was almost
kicked out of middle school for getting lost all the time.
I just like have a little bit of an airhead quality.
Some might say Devin's nodding.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I mean, I'm just saying, yeah, if you're not remembering
any statement you made and can't be if you're saying
you can't be held accountable to.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Anything, I can't set on the podcast for four.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Years, then okay. But speaking of four years. There ain't
gonna be four more.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
We like to give a news in that abrupt fashion
with heavy hearts pumped full of blood. We would like
to say that our podcast only has a few episodes left.
It's coming to an end. We could have done this
podcast for the rest of our lives. Unfortunately advertisers did
(30:24):
not agree. And you know, we're sad. But also it's
so hard to look back with anything other than gratitude.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, you know, it was bound to happen.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
As it became more consistent that the only likes on
our Instagram were me and Carolina's mom, not even Carolina,
by the way, just me and Carolina's mom two likes.
The more consistent that became as a pattern, the more
I thought, like, you know, I don't know that this
is the next pod save America.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I don't I don't know that maybe not.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
It's you know, it is really sad.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
This podcast has changed my life because I really didn't
think of myself. I had such low self a scene
when it started, and I didn't think of myself as
like a funny person or someone who could like perform
in any way in this capacity. And it's been such
an adventure to be able to do it and like
talk to so many people that we both admire and
also about so many things that we love to talk about.
(31:23):
And the fact that anyone ever wanted to listen to
that is like life changing. And also that we've been
able to like hear from listeners who we like relate to,
like all the emails and messages we've gotten is something
that I will always value.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, it's like truly cherished to me.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I completely agree, and I think that this podcast is
something that I will be forever proud of. And I
remember when the third episode came out, and I don't
want to go to in the Weeds because I think
we'll save that for the last episode, but I remember
when the third episode came out, I had this feeling of,
no matter if it's as a success or a failure,
(32:02):
this is exactly what I wanted it to be like.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And by this you meant something that you couldn't remember
the contents of at all because of me.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I don't remember what I said in the third episode,
but I remember feeling like, this is exactly the tone
I want to be, This is exactly what I want
to be talking about. This is exactly who I want
to be doing it with. And you know, I think
that's really rare to be able to have creative control
over a project and feel like it's really your own.
So you know, we don't again, we'll be talking more
(32:34):
about this and more about the legacy. But I agree
with Devin, just to echo what she said. You know,
like the messages we've gotten about sobriety, about breakups, about depression,
about you know, parent relationships, you know, boundaries, just all
of our favorite topics. They've been profound and I've I've
(32:54):
felt connected to a lot of people that I've never
met and never will meet, but I connected through these
common human experiences. And I'm grateful for devn and the
vulnerability that you know, we both decided to we both
decided to go out on a limb and just talk
about our love lives. And I remember, well, the comment
(33:15):
I get the most about it is from listeners saying, like,
you guys are so open and just put everything out there,
and that's something I'm really proud of.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I'm really grateful for you too, and my legs and
my heart remain open.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Mine too, well kind of. I did a Tara reading
today and I said, I was defensive about love, and
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
All Right, well your metaphorically, our legs are open to opportunities.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
My legs are open to opportunities.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Let's say that.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And until next time, we have a few episodes left,
so don't worry. We will continue to talk about the
main characters in our lives. I love you, Devin, love you.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Care Involunted was a little love. I want true.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
It's true, true, it's so romantic. Love me, baby, don't
leave me, haggin. I want true
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