April 18, 2024 • 42 mins
Devin and Carolina cover the last two episodes of The Valley which are about how marriage can be scarier than your worst nightmares and then discuss Vanderpump Rules which, thanks to a quirky girl called Jo, is becoming moderately entertaining. Then, Devin recaps the few days she spent spiraling into the tragic rise and Fall of Bachelor Clayton.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, I won't.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello and welcome to your romance. This is Carolina Barlow, this.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Is Devin Leary, and let me say something I can't wait.
Don't you agree that you either have a bed home
or you have a couch home, where your life either
revolves around the couch or it revolves around the bed.
And my most recent apartment was a couch home where
my life revolved around the couch. And for some reason,
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in my new apartment, my life revolves around the bed.
And I've been recording from bed.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh that's so you know what this is. This is
I want to say something that's interesting. First off. Second
of all, my last home. It's so hard to say
because I've just always been a bed girl, but I
will say I've been finding myself on the couch a lot.
This is just a way of saying, how like intrinsically lazy,
both of us are. Literally we might as well be
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like found myself face down on the floor a lot.
That's where I feel most comfortable and where I'm most
useful in the world. No, I got a west Elm couch.
I absolutely adore her. She already looks like shit because
of my four animals. But I mainly just have to
keep her covered all day and she fits my body
size perfectly, which has six not so easy.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Wait, so you go on the sectional end.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's not a sectional, it's just a normal couch. Do
I just lay down all the way?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Oh wow, that's a bold mood to get a non.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Sectional I know, I know, and trust me. It wasn't
an easy decision. It was something I thought a lot
about and then I got trigger happy. I went to
West Elm. I said, yeah, let's get it right now.
That's why I am like not good at shopping, not
good at remodeling, learning, Like I just pick things without
thinking because I get impatient and I want things to
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be over.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'm the same way, but I kind of think that's
a good way to be because it's better than like
not being sure.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And I want things to move on. I want to
keep going. I want to like I don't. It's why
I don't think I would be a good director, or
why I don't really want to direct, because you have
to agonize over all these little decisions, and like as
a writer, I just want to keep going. In the
words of our.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Friend, yeah, in the words of my ex boyfriend, winner
of the Bacheorette, Zach Clark, just keep going. That's what
people should do.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
He's not wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
He's not wrong. I will say, like, for white men
from upper middle class backgrounds, it is a little bit
easier to keep ongoing than it is for just everyone.
And I don't know that that's necessarily taken into account.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I think the next Nike slogan, think about it. Just
do it, keep going, just do it.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Just keep going. By the way, Zach Clark is starting
a podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh isn't that interesting?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
My mom sent me the trailer, and it's like him
being like, uh ho, like it was only about our
big surprise. I'm starting a podcast, and like it actually
is a big surprise because when I knew you, you
literally didn't know how to use Instagram and didn't watch
TV at all, and like didn't even know who Duayne
the Rock Johnson is. And now he's like, Okay, no
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one's gonna be surprised by this. But it's like, oh,
I'm actually shocked by that. I didn't know you knew
what a podcast was. I really didn't know.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I didn't even know what I would do if one
of my exes started a podcast. I would listen to
every episode obviously, But and this is the thing, I
both don't want my exes to listen to this podcast
and I'm hurt this podcast I kissed on my new
accent by you, and I also would be a little
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hurt if they didn't turn it on once in a while.
That's all I ask once in a while.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I specifically tailored the experience of an ex listening to
this podcast, which is that sure I knew that he
didn't care about me, well, subconsciously, I think I probably
was still in the phase of he does care about
me and love me the way he says, the way
he says, he.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
The way he says he did. Oh, you came from
where I came from.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
But now I know he didn't. But that's okay. But
I did, like I knew he wouldn't listen to the podcast,
and I wanted him to hear like my angry response
to something he did. So I posted a clip of it.
I asked, this is how manipulative and what the young
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kids would call de Lulu I am. I asked our
social media team to do an audible. I literally said,
I'm like, oh, don't you guys think this would be
a funny clip for our social media this part of
the podcast where I'm talking about this, and I mean,
they have no choice but to say, Okay, what the
host says goes. So they made a clip, and then
I posted the clip to my TikTok, where I never
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once have ever posted a true romance clip before, but
I knew that this X followed me on TikTok and
then a little do I know, just a few moments later,
I get a text complaining that I talked about on
the podcast, which, by the way, don't date someone with
a podcast if you don't want to be talked about and.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Also mission successful. You think that this is going to
disappoint me, This is exactly what I was looking for.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I know, And I'm always like, thanks for proving that
women actually do have a future in this country. That's
what I said. I was like, women have a future
in this country.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, if you're complaining about me talking about you on
my podcast, do you believe that women don't deserve a
future in this country, because that's what you're basically saying. Okay,
so speaking of women, speaking of this kind of the future,
we have to talk a little bit about a girl
named Joe. She is I guess a friend of Now
on vander Pump Rules.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
She's like a friend of But like, I'm trying to
think of a place where this has happened before. Like
a side character becomes so important that it's like they
become it. What is it? It's like, is there ever
been a spin off that's of a side character? Is
that what Fraser is?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Like, someone please call in and tell us what Frasier is?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Collin, Okay, So I will say that Joe started as
almost like a ghost, like this haunting entity that lives
in Tom Schwartzs apartment.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And then she becaw her earrings. You know, we saw
some girls things and he said that he had a
friend named Joe who was just a friend staying with
him who he was not hooking up with.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And then she became a nightmare Like so she went
from ghosts to nightmare where you're like, oh, this is
the type of girl that like hangs out with all
the guys, and like it is it's by Like the
thing about Joe is like it's proof of biology and science,
Like like she is proof of biology and science, like
in the sense that men biologically and scientifically have evolved
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to not have to perceive the tiniest social cues in
another person, where whereas we have to like pay attention
to these cues that this person's like not well or
not safe. Because our sisters and mothers of the forefronts past,
they were protective of the children of the tribe and
they had to like sense when someone was off. So
we have that in Mendo. And that's why a group
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of men would be hanging out with someone like Joe.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yes, and that is why when Katie Maloney described Joe
as a crackhead, which Joe said was insulting to people
who struggle with ADHD, we all just or I won't
speak for all of us, A lot of us thought
Katie was just being you know, mean.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Or Katie is mean, Katie is mean.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Upset that you know her ex was spending time with
a woman that she knew. Little did we know that
Joe actually might be on crack because the energy she
gives up is a retired tap dancer who's still got
some old moves. She's so full of like real yeah seeepy,
like little voices, little nineteen twenties jingles, like she just
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is one of those people who's kind of she is
aspiring to be quirky, which is the worst thing I
could say about anyone.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
She's aspiring to be quirky and she doesn't even have style,
you know what I mean. Like I feel like at
least like normally people try to be quirky. I'm like,
all right, enough with like the clown choes that you
bought at a vintage store, you know what I mean.
Like it's like this like goofy oversized blazer. So it's
like Joe is dressing in wet seal and she's a hairstylist,
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which is a shock to the country, the country, the universe.
I was like, Oh, she has like a chikh job.
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Someone posted a picture of for Interconfessional and just said,
this woman is a hairstylist.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
This woman is a hairstylist.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Her hair is not reflecting that.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
She looks like she looks like she's responsible for Taylor's
hair at the Grammys. Remember Taylor's like little braids and
like stringy I do I do recall this. That looks
like Joe did that. That looks like Joe did that.
So Taylor, that looks like Joe did that.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I am going to start using that as an insult.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
But let's just say now what I wanted to say
was she went from ghost haunting to nightmare embodied and
now she is a woman of my own heart who
I see and understand and love.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Even Katie, who again had called her a crackhead, said
that she felt for Joe and that she didn't know
so much the aspects of their relationship until she watched
the show, and she was getting conflicting stories from Tom
because he wasn't honest about this. Here's the thing, Joe
is clearly was clearly in a secret relationship with Tom Schwartz.
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Where As she said in her confessional, they were saying
that they loved each other and I don't know if
it's something or he said like I love you like
as a friend, and she took that mean to like,
I love you love you because we're having sex, and
that is understandably confusing. Like I don't know if she
was confused by that, But they were literally sleeping together
up to like the confessional recordings, like she they asked
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her once the last time you guys had slept together,
and she was like a month ago. Yeah, And at
the same time he kisses someone in front.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Of her, at a party, like makes out with.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Makes out with someone, and then he does this thing
that is what I have come to loathe about him,
where he's like, wait what you're leaving? Oh no, wait Joe,
no oh, and kind of like that like, oh no,
did I do something bad? Oh no. It's just the
most childish, cowardly and deeply selfish ways of behaving, because
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not only are you hurting me, but you're pretending that
you have no idea where my feelings are coming from, yes,
and that you can't believe that I would even consider
this hurtful. Here's what I believe about Tom Schwartz. He
doesn't like women. And I don't mean that in a
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he's gay thing or I have no idea what his
sexual preferences are. It sounds like he does like dating women.
I don't think he respects women at their core. That's
why I think he has thrown a drink on two
women just on TV, Like just from what we've seen,
we don't even know what he's done when the cameras
aren't rolling, but he's thrown a drink on Stass, He's
thrown a drink on Katie, which is to me like abusive. Yes,
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so clearly abusive and it's to you. I mean, I
just can't believe it. Like even I felt sad for
Katie in that episode in Mexico where he throws a
drink on her, because you can tell she's like, he's
gonna have to do so much groveling, he's gonna have
to kiss my feet, like she sells all this stuff.
And you're like, oh, you're saying this because you know
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you're gonna get back together with him. Yes, you guys,
You know you guys aren't gonna break up.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And because she like wasn't surprised by it.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But yeah, my heart goes out to Joe.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Well, let me say this. I think we've all dated
to Tom Schwartz, and I think, like it just there's
this like double insult, even though the truth is for
Joe and for all of us, like it doesn't have
it's not anything to do with us that we're treated
this way. It's the men's problem, obviously, But it feels like, oh,
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were you just trying to like make me feel better
this whole time? Like were you like cooking up with
me and hanging out with me because you like felt bad,
Like you like didn't know how to tell me the truth,
and it's like insult to injury where you're just like, oh,
I thought we were connecting because you were saying we
were Like I thought we were still in love because
you were saying we were I thought this and that,
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and like I had no way of knowing, And it's
just not giving this person the dignity of the truth.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
One hundred percent. I think that there's also something that
I feel like I've experienced a couple of different times
with like situationships where if it quacks like it like
if it acts like a duck and quacks like a duck,
like it's a relationship, do you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
spending this time together, we're acting like best friends. We're
also having sex, and you're gonna pretend that this is
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casual even though it's objectively not. Yes, like they were
living together, they were saying I love you when she
was leaving the house, like it that's a relationship. And
so I can totally like the devastation at the end
of last week's episode when she's crying and she's like,
I have to go, I'm Nick, call my dad, like
and he's like, Joseph, I mean I know that it
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was so hard to watch because we've all been there
where it's just like, okay, so you're just completely invalidating
everything we had and are just telling me that you
don't want to be a relationship.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Still doing that thing, that like Tom Schwartz thing of
like then you're like the sweet like the manipulative sweet voice,
the manipulative baby talk sweet voice, and like the babba Joseph.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I'm sure you saw he's like with a girl now
in her early twenties.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yep. Oh, I saw that he was being interviewed in
the Viall Files remote office at Coachella, holding a bejeweled,
bedazzled patron bottle, talking about this girl who looks like,
I mean truly, she looks like she just graduated in
high school. Yeah, and he's like, I don't know what
it was, something's different about her. That's how they always saw.
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They're like, now I gotta sparkle in my eye. I
don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I don't know idea what it is.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
They are so classic, those guys.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I just watched this week's episode. It was actually good.
It was actually a good episode of vander Pumper Roles,
which is you know, few and far between these days.
I cried when La La was talking about that was yes,
getting a baby through sperm donation. I found that to
be very emotional, and I think that is like a
good storyline, and I wish she would stop digging for
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more storylines because she has a good one right there.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I loved watching James and Tom Sandoval fight because you
could tell it was so clear that they did, but
neither of them intended to go into that scene fighting
like he literally James is literally just saying, oh, you've
been in the press a lot lately, because you know Rachel.
This episode was all about how Rachel went on Bethany
Frankle's podcast and everyone's like, oh my god, everything that's
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coming out with the podcast.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And by the way, talk about Ex's listening to podcasts,
and by the way, look at if you want a
good little giggle, I would recommend looking at Rachel's Instagram
where she's trying to do fact face fact finding journalism
and posting clips of her talking on the podcast versus
what they said on vander Pump Rules, and it's just
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I mean, it's just sad. I'm just like, she doesn't
have it in her to do the like, yeah, well
this is my side of the story. It's like she's like,
actually it was this, and it's like it wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, it's uncomfortable. I mean, talk about your ex's having
a podcast. She has a podcast now, Rachel goes.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Rogue and Joe was on it.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I know, iconic mashup of villains. Yes, Thom Sandival and
James get into it, and it's so beautiful. It's such
a beautiful escalation where they're both about like turning red
and it just starts with James talking about, you know,
you must be really upset by the Raquel thing, and
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then Tom, in this classic narcissistic like must throw someone
else under the bus, goes, oh, yeah, well you know
what she said about you to me is she said
that when she told you that she would break up
with you if you didn't quit drinking, she never actually
thought you could do that. And he's like, yeah, well
you were never in love with her. You guys were
never in love. It was just a fuck fust You
would just go downstairs and hook up with her. And
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then Tom Sanaval is like, no, it wasn't, No, it
wasn't dude, don't say that dude, and he's like, well,
you're a liar, Tom, isn't that the truth? No, you're
a liar. You're a liar anyway, and then it goes
to James being like, and I won't open up for you.
He motions to the band, which is the saddest part
of the episode to me, and he's like, this is
a joke, like the band. He's like, this is a
joke to me, and I'm onto bigger and better things, which,
by the way, not wrong. James played Coachella, Like that's huge.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Taylor Swift was there and that's that's like huge for
James and like so depressing for Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
In my opinion, yes, both things are true. That was
the highlight of the episode for me, but it actually
made me excited to see what's next on this season,
mainly because I like that we're gonna do the Valley
mashups A and B. I like that we're finally going
to get into Shena and Brock because I feel like
I have been a peeping tome, like I've been watching
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this show really just looking for moments where we see
cracks in that relationship, because I believe it to be fraudulent,
like I believe it to be, like I believe him
to be like a con man.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, totally. I want the dirty John of Brock.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, the chaos that was Brock
when he first came and he pulled Lisa Vanner pump
aside at her own dinner party and said, I, yes,
it's true I hit my ex girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, I kind of
need to go back and see I need to rewatch
that because I just rewatched the scandal all season and
it did make me regret every second that I've ever
said anything against Ariana on this recent episodes of True Romance,
because I do agree with people that say everyone else
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is just jealous of Ariana's like success post scandival, and
that's why they're like, well, you need to get over it,
Like why are you not over it yet? It's like
this was such a deep, deep seated betrayal beyond anything
we can imagine, Like this stuff happening while her grandma's dying,
while her dog dying. Yeah, and she's like letting Tom
in because he's locked out because he was fucking Rachel
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in the car, and then he yelled at her because
she took too long to wake up to let him
into the house, like this stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I didn't know that part.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
It's like briefly mentioned, like she's like he yelled at
me because I was like, took a while to wake
up and let him into the house, and it was
like because he was coming home after It's in this
scandival episode where everything is so fucking crazy that it's
hard to pick up on every detail. But yeah, so
I take back everything ever said, and I'm standing with Arianna.
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It's hard to stand with Katie because she is mean
and she is.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I love I'm a Katie apologist. I'm sorry. I love
her so much and I sympathize with her so much,
sympathize Schwartz.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I sympathize with her, but I don't like her personality.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I also do understand that she's an alcoholic and that
most people we watch on reality TV are alcoholics, and
that's something that's hard for me to contend with because
I don't like sad things. But that is the truth.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Okay, Well, speaking of that, it might be time to
talk about speaking of alcoholics. If may time talking about
The Valley, because that.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Is a show full of alcoholics for real. Janet's husband
is the only man who he's like Ali and that
he's snuck into the Bravo show by being normal.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Well, I feel like Janet is normal too, And I
like Danny and Nia. I really like Nia.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Love Nia or is it NYA? I think it's Nia.
I love Nia. I think she's like as a straight person.
I like, I'm I'm understanding like the attraction to women
through Nia, Like I'm like, you are the hot girl
at that scene.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
That confessional lighting is like the worst the confessionals for
the Valley. I've never seen human beings look worse than
they do in that And she's the only person who
like still looks beautiful. Everyone else like, I'm like, there's
like scars like appearing out of nowhere before our eyes
on these people. Like it's like Brittany has like an
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areola showing like in one of the dresses that she's wearing.
And it's just like it almost feels like the producers
that are like producing this confessional were like trying to
harm them by like letting some of this stuff go on.
And I don't understand it because these are like conventionally
attractive people like and you see them in the scene,
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Like I watch Brady in the scene and I'm like,
you look beautiful, and then she goes into this confessional
and I'm like, Okay, something's like starkly, starkly wrong, and
I think it's lighting or I don't know, but anyway,
the point is Nia looks beautiful.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And her and her husband seemed to actually be in love,
which also makes them an anomaly in the Girl Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I yeah, and I think Janet and her husband are
also in love Miche. I do think it's weird that
Janet doesn't care that her best friend does.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
That it's okay with the don't say gay flaws in Florida. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's a little concerning.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
So there's this whole conflict about how this most recent episode,
how Britney's going on a girl's trip for one night
to Malibu to like have wine and drink with her friends.
And I will say the level of excitement that she
was expressing to be able to get drunk for a
night was a little bit concerning where I was like,
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it reminded me of like being in college, where you're like,
this night is actually gonna fix everything and everything's gonna
be good because of this night. If we have fun tonight,
everything's gonna be fine, right, And it's like it's not
necessarily like does she have a drinking problem, It's more
just like wow, like your life seems like so hard
that you're this excited about one girl's night. Meanwhile, jack
is being mean to her and acting like she's like
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He's like, oh, I bet you can't leave without the tequila.
It's like, well, she's like going to a party and
she just wants to have fun for one night, and
you get wasted and go high on cocaine into Jackson's
bar and say that everything scripted, which we.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Haven't forgiven you for, by the way, which one's never
forgive you for, by the way. But so I think
that Brittany famously took a shot during the racist dinner
I'll call it where Kristen was accusing Michelle of being racist,
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Jesse was accusing Kristin of being racist, and in the
middle of dinner, Brittany just takes a shot like casually,
which to me is just a sign of someone who's
a heavy drinker, and everyone else just takes shots on
like their birthday or something. Someone who takes shot in
the middle of dinner just casually is someone who can
really put it down right. But I do say sometimes
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when like a new mom is out on the town,
I'll be like, oh, she's a new mom drunk, because yes,
like under more pressure like than most people men, men
definitely go through you know, you suddenly are like a
walking food machine for a vulnerable human being, and so
you need to go out and sometimes just try to
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black out. I assume.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I assume too, And I will say, like there were
moments where I was like, oh, this is like the
difference between what they were calling Daddy daughter Margarita Knight
or something versus girls' nights. Like they had like a heel,
they like set their intentions and like drew pictures and
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they were like talking about they were playing Truth or
Dare and they were talking about Britney was talking vulnerably
about how she, you know, doesn't feel desired by Jack's
he like brings her down and He's It was actually
kind of sweet. She was talking about how her own
husband shits all over her all the time. No, but
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like they're trying to support each other, but it also
is sad because it's like she and Michelle are both
talking about how they're really unhappy in their marriages. Nia
opens up about I feel like it's nya by the way.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
But whatever, we don't have to worry about.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
That opens up about having postpartum depression.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Then the Boys' Night is a much darker discussion where
they're talking about First they're talking about how Michelle I
need to get on the Reddit because they're talking about
how Michelle goes to the Chateau Marmont. She walks down
the street to the Chateau Marmont every weekend and she
hangs out with this world famous director quote unquote, and
(25:48):
they bleep the name. So that's why I have to
get on Reddit because I know the lip readers will know.
And then he's.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Talking is about like a romantic thing.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well he's saying like, oh, she hangs out this director,
but it's like a real estate contact. And some of
the other guys are like, well, I wouldn't feel comfortable
with my partner going and flirting with a director, and
he's like, I know, but I trust Michelle. And meanwhile
she's saying like, I want to get my own apartment
because I hate this marriage so much. And it's like okay,
and then Kristen's boyfriend is saying he has a secret
(26:19):
that could blow everything up. We don't know what that is,
but we know it's something Kristen told him. So at
the same time, as much as I'm excited that he
has a secret, I know his source rain of salt.
Grain of salt is an understatement, but it was just like, Wow,
this is really dark, and I will say I didn't
get all the way through.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I know I'm going to watch tonight. I'm so excited too.
Our listeners who who have watched. I'm so happy for
you guys, and I hope that.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Your relationship is such that you kin the laugh that
you don't end up saying, wow, this is the first
time Jesse and I have really laughed at something in
a while. And it's like a quick shot of Michelle
and Jesse talking about how Kristen sucks and is racist
in an asshole, and they're like, we haven't laughed like
this in.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Years, we haven't connected like this and forever. Yeah, there's
some people. It was a little disturbing the last week's
episode to hear Jesse talk about their sex life in
front of all the children. I'm not a prude, but
I'm like, please, don't talk about that in front of
my two year old. Yeah, and he's starting about how
he was like poor hot wax on her back and
(27:26):
all this stuff. I was like, Jesus Christ, it sounds
like they were like a really hot and heavy couple
that didn't have a solid foundation for a partnership.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, she literally says that they met on their first
date and he didn't ask her a single question, so
she decided immediately he's not dating material. And then she's like,
and now I've been stuck in the longest one night
stand ever. Like, think about dates you've had like that
with men who like we were just talking about, who
like don't ask you a single question. It's like the
(27:57):
biggest red flag, Like can you imagine then the rest
of your life with that person?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I bet they had really good sex. Like that is
the psychic like spidy senses I'm getting.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Right, because it's like they had sex and then they
stayed together for years.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, that's fair. It's hard to get
out of those situations. You have been watching Clayton season,
so I had to stow back. Lit'll throwback Tuesday for
(28:33):
you lit'll throw back Thursday for you because that's when
this episode's coming out.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Okay, girls, I have to tell you a little story,
which is how I lost my life briefly to Clayton Eckard.
And it's that, you know, I had to, As I
said last week, I watched a Zone of Interest and
then as a result, I had to purchase Clayton Eckard
season of The Bachelor on Amazon Prime so I could
feel better, and I watched it all within like a week,
(28:58):
and people did talk about how like that was the
worst like ros ceremony of all time, and like how
Clayton was the worst Bachelor of all time, and it
really can't be stated enough, like how badly he handled everything.
So what happens is he has sex with Gabby and
Rachel both and he tells both of them he's in
(29:19):
love with them, in fact, in the same exact fashion
where he tells them he's in love with them. And
then the next day, leaving the fantasy suites, they're both
like standing on balconies and he screams up to them
on top of the balcony and says, hey, Rachel, I
love you, Hey Gabby, I'm falling in love with you,
like the exact same thing twice, and then he goes
on his third fantasy suite date with Susie, and Susie
(29:44):
randomly says on like their final one on one that
she was like, well, I think if you had sex
with any of the other girls in the fantasy suites,
like it would be a deal breaker for me. He
loses his mind. He's like, why didn't you tell me that?
Why didn't you tell me that? Well, if you really
cared about me, you would have told me that. And
then basically he's like, yeah, yeah, well I did have
sex with them, so just so you know, I did,
and she's like okay. Well then like Susie leaves, and
(30:07):
then I guess because like he felt like he because
this is the thing with Clayton. I actually don't think
he has mal intent. I think he's so unbelievably stupid,
like not to be mean, but I'm just like I
think he like had good intentions, but he like couldn't
figure out he he doesn't have emotional intelligence, That's what
(30:29):
I'll say. So I think he thought, oh, Susie was
mad that I wasn't honest with her. So then he
goes into the Rose ceremony immediately to Gaby and Rachel goes, hey,
so Susie laughed, and it's because she was upset because
I did have sex with both of you, and I
am in love with all three of you.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
He says that at the Rose ceremony.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yes, Gaby and Rachel both sex part. Yeah, He's like,
and I, well, he says, like I and I was
intimate with both of you. So Gabby like starts crying.
Rachel throws herself on the stairs and screams crying and says,
I've never been in pain like this before in my life.
But Gabby has like the most incredible, like calm conversation
(31:08):
with him, where she's like, okay, so I don't feel
comfortable like being here, and I'm gonna leave because you
just said that you're in love with multiple people and
that doesn't make sense to me. And he's like, well,
I I'm just gonna have to figure out who I'm
the most in love with, and she was like, okay, well,
I'm not comfortable being in a competition for who's gonna
win the most in love with award, so like I'm
gonna go, But then he like talks her out of it.
(31:31):
So basically he convinces Gabby and Rachel both to stay.
The next day they both meet his parents, and then
after they both meet his parents, he tells them, actually,
I'm in love with Susie and I'm gonna try to
tell her to come back.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Susie's like, no, I'm good. But then at the like
reunion after the final rows, Susie and him are dating.
They've since broken up, but that was the drama, Gabby
has an incredible like confrontation with him where she's like,
I don't trust a single word you say, like, this
was all bullshit and you just wanted us to stay
(32:06):
because you like wanted to feel better about yourself, and
I this is time I could have spent with my
loved ones and friends that you took away from me.
So Gabby was amazing. Rachel was like, I think honestly
struggling a lot. And I won't comment on anything because
I'm just.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Like, I think she's a feminist. I will not comment
on anything Rachel has done her said, and I will
not compare her to Gabby.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
She justice for her, that's all I'll say. Okay, So
then I'm like, well that was crazy and I'm like
googling Clayton at card and I see, like VI all files,
Clayton is not the father. And that's where I really
went down a fucking whirlwind path because.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
You're a car detouring off the freeway violently and taking
an exit.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
This is like I was listening to this podcast at work,
Like it was like so consuming to me that I
was like sneaking away to the back to like turn
it on because I it's like, what even happens. So
basically after the Bachelorette, after Clayton and Susie break up,
god knows why, no offense. He moves to Scottsdale, Arizona
(33:13):
to become a real estate agent, which is just like
really sad, but also it's like it makes sense. But
I'm just like, all right, so you're already like not
doing great, Okay. A woman reaches out to him on LinkedIn.
Just imagine this being you, Like, imagine this happens to you.
Someone reaches out to you on LinkedIn. A woman reaches
out to him and says she wants to buy a house.
He's like, great, let's like set up a meeting. They
(33:34):
meet in person. She's very inappropriate. No wait, sorry, they
have not met in person yet they have never met
in person or I'm not sure, but basically he barely
knows this person. Okay. She starts sending flirtier and flirtier
text messages to him, and he is on the podcast talking.
He's like, and I had partaken in eating an edible
(33:58):
that night, so I was not in my best mind.
And she sent me a nude photo and I just
said come over. Okay. So imagine someone who you met
through LinkedIn, who you have a business professional relationship with,
sends you unprompted he said, it was unprompted a nude
photo and you say, come over to my home where
I live. Sure, no, prov So that is like one
(34:21):
of those moments like in the movies, Like you know
when like everything goes wrong in a movie and you're like,
oh my god, Like it's like this person is like
in such hell. It's like when when Kate Beckhamsale and
clar Danes like go to like prison y. Yeah, it's
like you're like, oh my god, everything's going to get worse. Yeah,
how can things get worse? Like this is like the
(34:41):
moment where where Clayton accepts this nude is like the
moment where everything like goes wrong because basically, in his words,
she performed oral sex on him twice five hours apart
in one night, which all already I'm like okay, so
and did you do anything to her? So within days
she well, okay. So then the next day he says
(35:03):
that was a mistake. This is a professional relationship and
I'm not interested in relationship, and she's like visibly upset,
and she first says like, I'm not gonna move forward
with any like real estate deals with you unless you
date me. And he's like.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Not unreasonable after the two blow jobs, but.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, and he's like no, and then basically within a
short amount of time, she contacts him and says she's pregnant,
and he doesn't know enough to be like, there's no
way that's true. He's like, oh, when she was dry
humping me after she gave me a blowjob, like maybe
she got pregnant from that.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
The public school system so this country.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
He's literally googling, and he's like explaining on the podcast.
He's like, well, I was thinking like maybe there was
like pre come and like she put it inside her
or she like caught like the com and like put
it inside her in the bathroom, like he's like running.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
As possibility does someone have a gun to his head
while he's talking about this on a podcast.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Like no, I know. I kept thinking that to him,
like why is he being like so open? But he
said that because she slandered his name so much like that,
He's like, I just have to get the truth out there.
So that's why I'm talking like this. So basically, like
the only other thing I have to say is like
this proceeds to where they're both like trying to get
restraining orders against each other. She's using fake ultrasounds and
(36:23):
when he like showed the fake ultrasound at the Viall file,
like yeah, Nick Viall's wife was like so there's like
no uterus in the photo, like and he's like okay,
and so that's good to know. And so and he's
talking about how they're getting restraining orders against each other
and he decided to represent himself in court genius. So
(36:46):
Nick Viall is obviously like, so why did you choose
to defend yourself court? Because he lost the case, like
he lost getting a restraining order or like not getting
one or whatever the hell. And he's like, oh, so
the reason I just decided to represent myself is because
I had just bought a house and I googled that
(37:07):
a lawyer can be six hundred and fifty dollars an
hour and I couldn't afford it. And it's like listen,
it does and it doesn't sound like you put much
work into that. So anyway, he represents himself, and then
someone on Reddit like reaches out to him and is like,
you shouldn't have done that, but whatever. So then he
starts talking about how Reddit stepped in, and he keeps
(37:29):
going and by the way, shout out to Reddit because
they really like stepped in and like helped my case
and they like helped figure, helped me figure out that
she was lying and all this stuff. And eventually Nick
Viall is like, well, so you know, like Reddit's not
just one person, right, Like Reddit is like a thing
like he was he was acting like, oh, and by
the way, let me shout out this this community. They're
(37:50):
really small communities called Reddit. He's like, you know, that's
like a like there's multiple people on Reddit. And Clayton goes, wait,
you think it's only just one person? And Nick's like no,
and he's like, well, whatever, I mean whatever it is.
They helped me out, Like that is the level. So
basically the way it is now is there's like Clayton
(38:13):
was basically like, she says that her DU date, which
now she says it's twins by the way that she's
having Clayton's twins. And she says her due date is
this coming Valentine's Day twenty twenty four, which he was like,
and he's like, in big surprise, she chose Valentine's Day
as her DU date. But he's like, we just have
to like wait and see that. Like the baby's not
(38:33):
gonna like call him on Valentine's Day. It was kind
of an amazing story. Also, Clayton has written a book
since about God being motivational, and I just was like
I had no one to talk to about this because
I was like, wait, this happened like a while ago,
and I'm like just catching on, but like this is
a crazy whirlwind that this man has been through and
(38:55):
it makes me really sad, and I wish I wish
he had just like one smart, reliable friend who could
have been like, hey, this is not the right move, right,
And I think he could have had a smart reliable
friend in any of the three women that he completely
fumbled things with.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
But if you're the kind of guy who's telling strangers
to come over, you're not that this is all a
mistake on the producers of the ABC producer's part, Yes,
like you're not you need a Joey. I'm sorry, but
Joey was the best casting for a Bachelor and forever.
I think that he's someone who can like fuck, But
(39:37):
I don't think he's someone who would tell a stranger
from LinkedIn to come over after she sent him a nude.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
One thought.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
And when I say that, I don't mean that as
like a compliment. I feel like I'm the kind of
like used to be, the kind of crazy person would
send a nude unsolicited and I would get annoyed by
the guys who had their shit together and say something like,
oh oh that's crazy. Okay, yeah, I need to go
to bed, Like I hated guys like that.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
You know, I had a nude emphasized. We know this
I sent him and it was emphasized and that was it.
So yeah, but looking back, I respect that, and I
am pregnant with that man's twins and he is.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Going to represent himself in court well, I am so
excited to keep the journey going on Summer House, on
vander Pump Rolls on the Valley. Should we tease some
big news that we have or not teased. Should we
(40:37):
come out with some big news or maybe next episode.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Next episode, next episode, we have some news to share.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
That's who That is a tease.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And by the way, when I was watching these old
episodes of Clayton season, I was watching at my parents'
house and Clayton was talking about his journey. He's like,
this is my journey to find love and my journey.
This my journey that and my dad was walking through
the living room and he goes, your journey fuck off.
Not having any information on what this was or who
anything was. He was just like, your journey, fuck off.
(41:09):
And then he was like later came in and he
was trying to understand. He's like, wait, so there's women
in the limo and I was like, yeah, so they
come out of the limo and he was like, wait,
I don't understand. So they're just waiting in the limo.
I was like, yes, a limo of women pulls up
and sits there and then one by one they all
come out. He's like what he was really struggling.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Your journey. He was upset that that's iconic. I love you, Devin,
love you, Caroled.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I won't suit so romantic, babe. I don't leave me, haggen.
I want true
Oh, I won't.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello and welcome to your romance. This is Carolina Barlow, this.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Is Devin Leary, and let me say something I can't wait.
Don't you agree that you either have a bed home
or you have a couch home, where your life either
revolves around the couch or it revolves around the bed.
And my most recent apartment was a couch home where
my life revolved around the couch. And for some reason,
(00:41):
in my new apartment, my life revolves around the bed.
And I've been recording from bed.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh that's so you know what this is. This is
I want to say something that's interesting. First off. Second
of all, my last home. It's so hard to say
because I've just always been a bed girl, but I
will say I've been finding myself on the couch a lot.
This is just a way of saying, how like intrinsically lazy,
both of us are. Literally we might as well be
(01:10):
like found myself face down on the floor a lot.
That's where I feel most comfortable and where I'm most
useful in the world. No, I got a west Elm couch.
I absolutely adore her. She already looks like shit because
of my four animals. But I mainly just have to
keep her covered all day and she fits my body
size perfectly, which has six not so easy.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Wait, so you go on the sectional end.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's not a sectional, it's just a normal couch. Do
I just lay down all the way?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Oh wow, that's a bold mood to get a non.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Sectional I know, I know, and trust me. It wasn't
an easy decision. It was something I thought a lot
about and then I got trigger happy. I went to
West Elm. I said, yeah, let's get it right now.
That's why I am like not good at shopping, not
good at remodeling, learning, Like I just pick things without
thinking because I get impatient and I want things to
(02:06):
be over.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'm the same way, but I kind of think that's
a good way to be because it's better than like
not being sure.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And I want things to move on. I want to
keep going. I want to like I don't. It's why
I don't think I would be a good director, or
why I don't really want to direct, because you have
to agonize over all these little decisions, and like as
a writer, I just want to keep going. In the
words of our.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Friend, yeah, in the words of my ex boyfriend, winner
of the Bacheorette, Zach Clark, just keep going. That's what
people should do.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
He's not wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
He's not wrong. I will say, like, for white men
from upper middle class backgrounds, it is a little bit
easier to keep ongoing than it is for just everyone.
And I don't know that that's necessarily taken into account.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I think the next Nike slogan, think about it. Just
do it, keep going, just do it.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Just keep going. By the way, Zach Clark is starting
a podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh isn't that interesting?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
My mom sent me the trailer, and it's like him
being like, uh ho, like it was only about our
big surprise. I'm starting a podcast, and like it actually
is a big surprise because when I knew you, you
literally didn't know how to use Instagram and didn't watch
TV at all, and like didn't even know who Duayne
the Rock Johnson is. And now he's like, Okay, no
(03:35):
one's gonna be surprised by this. But it's like, oh,
I'm actually shocked by that. I didn't know you knew
what a podcast was. I really didn't know.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I didn't even know what I would do if one
of my exes started a podcast. I would listen to
every episode obviously, But and this is the thing, I
both don't want my exes to listen to this podcast
and I'm hurt this podcast I kissed on my new
accent by you, and I also would be a little
(04:05):
hurt if they didn't turn it on once in a while.
That's all I ask once in a while.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I specifically tailored the experience of an ex listening to
this podcast, which is that sure I knew that he
didn't care about me, well, subconsciously, I think I probably
was still in the phase of he does care about
me and love me the way he says, the way
he says, he.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
The way he says he did. Oh, you came from
where I came from.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
But now I know he didn't. But that's okay. But
I did, like I knew he wouldn't listen to the podcast,
and I wanted him to hear like my angry response
to something he did. So I posted a clip of it.
I asked, this is how manipulative and what the young
(04:53):
kids would call de Lulu I am. I asked our
social media team to do an audible. I literally said,
I'm like, oh, don't you guys think this would be
a funny clip for our social media this part of
the podcast where I'm talking about this, and I mean,
they have no choice but to say, Okay, what the
host says goes. So they made a clip, and then
I posted the clip to my TikTok, where I never
(05:13):
once have ever posted a true romance clip before, but
I knew that this X followed me on TikTok and
then a little do I know, just a few moments later,
I get a text complaining that I talked about on
the podcast, which, by the way, don't date someone with
a podcast if you don't want to be talked about and.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Also mission successful. You think that this is going to
disappoint me, This is exactly what I was looking for.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I know, And I'm always like, thanks for proving that
women actually do have a future in this country. That's
what I said. I was like, women have a future
in this country.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, if you're complaining about me talking about you on
my podcast, do you believe that women don't deserve a
future in this country, because that's what you're basically saying. Okay,
so speaking of women, speaking of this kind of the future,
we have to talk a little bit about a girl
named Joe. She is I guess a friend of Now
on vander Pump Rules.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
She's like a friend of But like, I'm trying to
think of a place where this has happened before. Like
a side character becomes so important that it's like they
become it. What is it? It's like, is there ever
been a spin off that's of a side character? Is
that what Fraser is?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Like, someone please call in and tell us what Frasier is?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Collin, Okay, So I will say that Joe started as
almost like a ghost, like this haunting entity that lives
in Tom Schwartzs apartment.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And then she becaw her earrings. You know, we saw
some girls things and he said that he had a
friend named Joe who was just a friend staying with
him who he was not hooking up with.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And then she became a nightmare Like so she went
from ghosts to nightmare where you're like, oh, this is
the type of girl that like hangs out with all
the guys, and like it is it's by Like the
thing about Joe is like it's proof of biology and science,
Like like she is proof of biology and science, like
in the sense that men biologically and scientifically have evolved
(07:21):
to not have to perceive the tiniest social cues in
another person, where whereas we have to like pay attention
to these cues that this person's like not well or
not safe. Because our sisters and mothers of the forefronts past,
they were protective of the children of the tribe and
they had to like sense when someone was off. So
we have that in Mendo. And that's why a group
(07:43):
of men would be hanging out with someone like Joe.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yes, and that is why when Katie Maloney described Joe
as a crackhead, which Joe said was insulting to people
who struggle with ADHD, we all just or I won't
speak for all of us, A lot of us thought
Katie was just being you know, mean.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Or Katie is mean, Katie is mean.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Upset that you know her ex was spending time with
a woman that she knew. Little did we know that
Joe actually might be on crack because the energy she
gives up is a retired tap dancer who's still got
some old moves. She's so full of like real yeah seeepy,
like little voices, little nineteen twenties jingles, like she just
(08:31):
is one of those people who's kind of she is
aspiring to be quirky, which is the worst thing I
could say about anyone.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
She's aspiring to be quirky and she doesn't even have style,
you know what I mean. Like I feel like at
least like normally people try to be quirky. I'm like,
all right, enough with like the clown choes that you
bought at a vintage store, you know what I mean.
Like it's like this like goofy oversized blazer. So it's
like Joe is dressing in wet seal and she's a hairstylist,
(09:02):
which is a shock to the country, the country, the universe.
I was like, Oh, she has like a chikh job.
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Someone posted a picture of for Interconfessional and just said,
this woman is a hairstylist.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
This woman is a hairstylist.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Her hair is not reflecting that.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
She looks like she looks like she's responsible for Taylor's
hair at the Grammys. Remember Taylor's like little braids and
like stringy I do I do recall this. That looks
like Joe did that. That looks like Joe did that.
So Taylor, that looks like Joe did that.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I am going to start using that as an insult.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
But let's just say now what I wanted to say
was she went from ghost haunting to nightmare embodied and
now she is a woman of my own heart who
I see and understand and love.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Even Katie, who again had called her a crackhead, said
that she felt for Joe and that she didn't know
so much the aspects of their relationship until she watched
the show, and she was getting conflicting stories from Tom
because he wasn't honest about this. Here's the thing, Joe
is clearly was clearly in a secret relationship with Tom Schwartz.
(10:14):
Where As she said in her confessional, they were saying
that they loved each other and I don't know if
it's something or he said like I love you like
as a friend, and she took that mean to like,
I love you love you because we're having sex, and
that is understandably confusing. Like I don't know if she
was confused by that, But they were literally sleeping together
up to like the confessional recordings, like she they asked
(10:37):
her once the last time you guys had slept together,
and she was like a month ago. Yeah, And at
the same time he kisses someone in front.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Of her, at a party, like makes out with.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Makes out with someone, and then he does this thing
that is what I have come to loathe about him,
where he's like, wait what you're leaving? Oh no, wait Joe,
no oh, and kind of like that like, oh no,
did I do something bad? Oh no. It's just the
most childish, cowardly and deeply selfish ways of behaving, because
(11:14):
not only are you hurting me, but you're pretending that
you have no idea where my feelings are coming from, yes,
and that you can't believe that I would even consider
this hurtful. Here's what I believe about Tom Schwartz. He
doesn't like women. And I don't mean that in a
(11:36):
he's gay thing or I have no idea what his
sexual preferences are. It sounds like he does like dating women.
I don't think he respects women at their core. That's
why I think he has thrown a drink on two
women just on TV, Like just from what we've seen,
we don't even know what he's done when the cameras
aren't rolling, but he's thrown a drink on Stass, He's
thrown a drink on Katie, which is to me like abusive. Yes,
(12:00):
so clearly abusive and it's to you. I mean, I
just can't believe it. Like even I felt sad for
Katie in that episode in Mexico where he throws a
drink on her, because you can tell she's like, he's
gonna have to do so much groveling, he's gonna have
to kiss my feet, like she sells all this stuff.
And you're like, oh, you're saying this because you know
(12:20):
you're gonna get back together with him. Yes, you guys,
You know you guys aren't gonna break up.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And because she like wasn't surprised by it.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But yeah, my heart goes out to Joe.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Well, let me say this. I think we've all dated
to Tom Schwartz, and I think, like it just there's
this like double insult, even though the truth is for
Joe and for all of us, like it doesn't have
it's not anything to do with us that we're treated
this way. It's the men's problem, obviously, But it feels like, oh,
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were you just trying to like make me feel better
this whole time? Like were you like cooking up with
me and hanging out with me because you like felt bad,
Like you like didn't know how to tell me the truth,
and it's like insult to injury where you're just like, oh,
I thought we were connecting because you were saying we
were Like I thought we were still in love because
you were saying we were I thought this and that,
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and like I had no way of knowing, And it's
just not giving this person the dignity of the truth.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
One hundred percent. I think that there's also something that
I feel like I've experienced a couple of different times
with like situationships where if it quacks like it like
if it acts like a duck and quacks like a duck,
like it's a relationship, do you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
spending this time together, we're acting like best friends. We're
also having sex, and you're gonna pretend that this is
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casual even though it's objectively not. Yes, like they were
living together, they were saying I love you when she
was leaving the house, like it that's a relationship. And
so I can totally like the devastation at the end
of last week's episode when she's crying and she's like,
I have to go, I'm Nick, call my dad, like
and he's like, Joseph, I mean I know that it
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was so hard to watch because we've all been there
where it's just like, okay, so you're just completely invalidating
everything we had and are just telling me that you
don't want to be a relationship.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Still doing that thing, that like Tom Schwartz thing of
like then you're like the sweet like the manipulative sweet voice,
the manipulative baby talk sweet voice, and like the babba Joseph.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I'm sure you saw he's like with a girl now
in her early twenties.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yep. Oh, I saw that he was being interviewed in
the Viall Files remote office at Coachella, holding a bejeweled,
bedazzled patron bottle, talking about this girl who looks like,
I mean truly, she looks like she just graduated in
high school. Yeah, and he's like, I don't know what
it was, something's different about her. That's how they always saw.
(15:03):
They're like, now I gotta sparkle in my eye. I
don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I don't know idea what it is.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
They are so classic, those guys.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I just watched this week's episode. It was actually good.
It was actually a good episode of vander Pumper Roles,
which is you know, few and far between these days.
I cried when La La was talking about that was yes,
getting a baby through sperm donation. I found that to
be very emotional, and I think that is like a
good storyline, and I wish she would stop digging for
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more storylines because she has a good one right there.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I loved watching James and Tom Sandoval fight because you
could tell it was so clear that they did, but
neither of them intended to go into that scene fighting
like he literally James is literally just saying, oh, you've
been in the press a lot lately, because you know Rachel.
This episode was all about how Rachel went on Bethany
Frankle's podcast and everyone's like, oh my god, everything that's
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coming out with the podcast.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And by the way, talk about Ex's listening to podcasts,
and by the way, look at if you want a
good little giggle, I would recommend looking at Rachel's Instagram
where she's trying to do fact face fact finding journalism
and posting clips of her talking on the podcast versus
what they said on vander Pump Rules, and it's just
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I mean, it's just sad. I'm just like, she doesn't
have it in her to do the like, yeah, well
this is my side of the story. It's like she's like,
actually it was this, and it's like it wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, it's uncomfortable. I mean, talk about your ex's having
a podcast. She has a podcast now, Rachel goes.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Rogue and Joe was on it.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I know, iconic mashup of villains. Yes, Thom Sandival and
James get into it, and it's so beautiful. It's such
a beautiful escalation where they're both about like turning red
and it just starts with James talking about, you know,
you must be really upset by the Raquel thing, and
(17:09):
then Tom, in this classic narcissistic like must throw someone
else under the bus, goes, oh, yeah, well you know
what she said about you to me is she said
that when she told you that she would break up
with you if you didn't quit drinking, she never actually
thought you could do that. And he's like, yeah, well
you were never in love with her. You guys were
never in love. It was just a fuck fust You
would just go downstairs and hook up with her. And
(17:30):
then Tom Sanaval is like, no, it wasn't, No, it
wasn't dude, don't say that dude, and he's like, well,
you're a liar, Tom, isn't that the truth? No, you're
a liar. You're a liar anyway, and then it goes
to James being like, and I won't open up for you.
He motions to the band, which is the saddest part
of the episode to me, and he's like, this is
a joke, like the band. He's like, this is a
joke to me, and I'm onto bigger and better things, which,
by the way, not wrong. James played Coachella, Like that's huge.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Taylor Swift was there and that's that's like huge for
James and like so depressing for Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
In my opinion, yes, both things are true. That was
the highlight of the episode for me, but it actually
made me excited to see what's next on this season,
mainly because I like that we're gonna do the Valley
mashups A and B. I like that we're finally going
to get into Shena and Brock because I feel like
I have been a peeping tome, like I've been watching
(18:22):
this show really just looking for moments where we see
cracks in that relationship, because I believe it to be fraudulent,
like I believe it to be, like I believe him
to be like a con man.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, totally. I want the dirty John of Brock.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, the chaos that was Brock
when he first came and he pulled Lisa Vanner pump
aside at her own dinner party and said, I, yes,
it's true I hit my ex girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, I kind of
need to go back and see I need to rewatch
that because I just rewatched the scandal all season and
it did make me regret every second that I've ever
said anything against Ariana on this recent episodes of True Romance,
because I do agree with people that say everyone else
(19:11):
is just jealous of Ariana's like success post scandival, and
that's why they're like, well, you need to get over it,
Like why are you not over it yet? It's like
this was such a deep, deep seated betrayal beyond anything
we can imagine, Like this stuff happening while her grandma's dying,
while her dog dying. Yeah, and she's like letting Tom
in because he's locked out because he was fucking Rachel
(19:32):
in the car, and then he yelled at her because
she took too long to wake up to let him
into the house, like this stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I didn't know that part.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
It's like briefly mentioned, like she's like he yelled at
me because I was like, took a while to wake
up and let him into the house, and it was
like because he was coming home after It's in this
scandival episode where everything is so fucking crazy that it's
hard to pick up on every detail. But yeah, so
I take back everything ever said, and I'm standing with Arianna.
(20:01):
It's hard to stand with Katie because she is mean
and she is.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I love I'm a Katie apologist. I'm sorry. I love
her so much and I sympathize with her so much,
sympathize Schwartz.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I sympathize with her, but I don't like her personality.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I also do understand that she's an alcoholic and that
most people we watch on reality TV are alcoholics, and
that's something that's hard for me to contend with because
I don't like sad things. But that is the truth.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Okay, Well, speaking of that, it might be time to
talk about speaking of alcoholics. If may time talking about
The Valley, because that.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Is a show full of alcoholics for real. Janet's husband
is the only man who he's like Ali and that
he's snuck into the Bravo show by being normal.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Well, I feel like Janet is normal too, And I
like Danny and Nia. I really like Nia.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Love Nia or is it NYA? I think it's Nia.
I love Nia. I think she's like as a straight person.
I like, I'm I'm understanding like the attraction to women
through Nia, Like I'm like, you are the hot girl
at that scene.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
That confessional lighting is like the worst the confessionals for
the Valley. I've never seen human beings look worse than
they do in that And she's the only person who
like still looks beautiful. Everyone else like, I'm like, there's
like scars like appearing out of nowhere before our eyes
on these people. Like it's like Brittany has like an
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areola showing like in one of the dresses that she's wearing.
And it's just like it almost feels like the producers
that are like producing this confessional were like trying to
harm them by like letting some of this stuff go on.
And I don't understand it because these are like conventionally
attractive people like and you see them in the scene,
(21:45):
Like I watch Brady in the scene and I'm like,
you look beautiful, and then she goes into this confessional
and I'm like, Okay, something's like starkly, starkly wrong, and
I think it's lighting or I don't know, but anyway,
the point is Nia looks beautiful.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And her and her husband seemed to actually be in love,
which also makes them an anomaly in the Girl Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I yeah, and I think Janet and her husband are
also in love Miche. I do think it's weird that
Janet doesn't care that her best friend does.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
That it's okay with the don't say gay flaws in Florida. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's a little concerning.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
So there's this whole conflict about how this most recent episode,
how Britney's going on a girl's trip for one night
to Malibu to like have wine and drink with her friends.
And I will say the level of excitement that she
was expressing to be able to get drunk for a
night was a little bit concerning where I was like,
(22:42):
it reminded me of like being in college, where you're like,
this night is actually gonna fix everything and everything's gonna
be good because of this night. If we have fun tonight,
everything's gonna be fine, right, And it's like it's not
necessarily like does she have a drinking problem, It's more
just like wow, like your life seems like so hard
that you're this excited about one girl's night. Meanwhile, jack
is being mean to her and acting like she's like
(23:03):
He's like, oh, I bet you can't leave without the tequila.
It's like, well, she's like going to a party and
she just wants to have fun for one night, and
you get wasted and go high on cocaine into Jackson's
bar and say that everything scripted, which we.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Haven't forgiven you for, by the way, which one's never
forgive you for, by the way. But so I think
that Brittany famously took a shot during the racist dinner
I'll call it where Kristen was accusing Michelle of being racist,
(23:38):
Jesse was accusing Kristin of being racist, and in the
middle of dinner, Brittany just takes a shot like casually,
which to me is just a sign of someone who's
a heavy drinker, and everyone else just takes shots on
like their birthday or something. Someone who takes shot in
the middle of dinner just casually is someone who can
really put it down right. But I do say sometimes
(24:00):
when like a new mom is out on the town,
I'll be like, oh, she's a new mom drunk, because yes,
like under more pressure like than most people men, men
definitely go through you know, you suddenly are like a
walking food machine for a vulnerable human being, and so
you need to go out and sometimes just try to
(24:22):
black out. I assume.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I assume too, And I will say, like there were
moments where I was like, oh, this is like the
difference between what they were calling Daddy daughter Margarita Knight
or something versus girls' nights. Like they had like a heel,
they like set their intentions and like drew pictures and
(24:44):
they were like talking about they were playing Truth or
Dare and they were talking about Britney was talking vulnerably
about how she, you know, doesn't feel desired by Jack's
he like brings her down and He's It was actually
kind of sweet. She was talking about how her own
husband shits all over her all the time. No, but
(25:05):
like they're trying to support each other, but it also
is sad because it's like she and Michelle are both
talking about how they're really unhappy in their marriages. Nia
opens up about I feel like it's nya by the way.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
But whatever, we don't have to worry about.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
That opens up about having postpartum depression.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Then the Boys' Night is a much darker discussion where
they're talking about First they're talking about how Michelle I
need to get on the Reddit because they're talking about
how Michelle goes to the Chateau Marmont. She walks down
the street to the Chateau Marmont every weekend and she
hangs out with this world famous director quote unquote, and
(25:48):
they bleep the name. So that's why I have to
get on Reddit because I know the lip readers will know.
And then he's.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Talking is about like a romantic thing.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well he's saying like, oh, she hangs out this director,
but it's like a real estate contact. And some of
the other guys are like, well, I wouldn't feel comfortable
with my partner going and flirting with a director, and
he's like, I know, but I trust Michelle. And meanwhile
she's saying like, I want to get my own apartment
because I hate this marriage so much. And it's like okay,
and then Kristen's boyfriend is saying he has a secret
(26:19):
that could blow everything up. We don't know what that is,
but we know it's something Kristen told him. So at
the same time, as much as I'm excited that he
has a secret, I know his source rain of salt.
Grain of salt is an understatement, but it was just like, Wow,
this is really dark, and I will say I didn't
get all the way through.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I know I'm going to watch tonight. I'm so excited too.
Our listeners who who have watched. I'm so happy for
you guys, and I hope that.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Your relationship is such that you kin the laugh that
you don't end up saying, wow, this is the first
time Jesse and I have really laughed at something in
a while. And it's like a quick shot of Michelle
and Jesse talking about how Kristen sucks and is racist
in an asshole, and they're like, we haven't laughed like
this in.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Years, we haven't connected like this and forever. Yeah, there's
some people. It was a little disturbing the last week's
episode to hear Jesse talk about their sex life in
front of all the children. I'm not a prude, but
I'm like, please, don't talk about that in front of
my two year old. Yeah, and he's starting about how
he was like poor hot wax on her back and
(27:26):
all this stuff. I was like, Jesus Christ, it sounds
like they were like a really hot and heavy couple
that didn't have a solid foundation for a partnership.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, she literally says that they met on their first
date and he didn't ask her a single question, so
she decided immediately he's not dating material. And then she's like,
and now I've been stuck in the longest one night
stand ever. Like, think about dates you've had like that
with men who like we were just talking about, who
like don't ask you a single question. It's like the
(27:57):
biggest red flag, Like can you imagine then the rest
of your life with that person?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I bet they had really good sex. Like that is
the psychic like spidy senses I'm getting.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Right, because it's like they had sex and then they
stayed together for years.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, that's fair. It's hard to get
out of those situations. You have been watching Clayton season,
so I had to stow back. Lit'll throwback Tuesday for
(28:33):
you lit'll throw back Thursday for you because that's when
this episode's coming out.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Okay, girls, I have to tell you a little story,
which is how I lost my life briefly to Clayton Eckard.
And it's that, you know, I had to, As I
said last week, I watched a Zone of Interest and
then as a result, I had to purchase Clayton Eckard
season of The Bachelor on Amazon Prime so I could
feel better, and I watched it all within like a week,
(28:58):
and people did talk about how like that was the
worst like ros ceremony of all time, and like how
Clayton was the worst Bachelor of all time, and it
really can't be stated enough, like how badly he handled everything.
So what happens is he has sex with Gabby and
Rachel both and he tells both of them he's in
(29:19):
love with them, in fact, in the same exact fashion
where he tells them he's in love with them. And
then the next day, leaving the fantasy suites, they're both
like standing on balconies and he screams up to them
on top of the balcony and says, hey, Rachel, I
love you, Hey Gabby, I'm falling in love with you,
like the exact same thing twice, and then he goes
on his third fantasy suite date with Susie, and Susie
(29:44):
randomly says on like their final one on one that
she was like, well, I think if you had sex
with any of the other girls in the fantasy suites,
like it would be a deal breaker for me. He
loses his mind. He's like, why didn't you tell me that?
Why didn't you tell me that? Well, if you really
cared about me, you would have told me that. And
then basically he's like, yeah, yeah, well I did have
sex with them, so just so you know, I did,
and she's like okay. Well then like Susie leaves, and
(30:07):
then I guess because like he felt like he because
this is the thing with Clayton. I actually don't think
he has mal intent. I think he's so unbelievably stupid,
like not to be mean, but I'm just like I
think he like had good intentions, but he like couldn't
figure out he he doesn't have emotional intelligence, That's what
(30:29):
I'll say. So I think he thought, oh, Susie was
mad that I wasn't honest with her. So then he
goes into the Rose ceremony immediately to Gaby and Rachel goes, hey,
so Susie laughed, and it's because she was upset because
I did have sex with both of you, and I
am in love with all three of you.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
He says that at the Rose ceremony.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yes, Gaby and Rachel both sex part. Yeah, He's like,
and I, well, he says, like I and I was
intimate with both of you. So Gabby like starts crying.
Rachel throws herself on the stairs and screams crying and says,
I've never been in pain like this before in my life.
But Gabby has like the most incredible, like calm conversation
(31:08):
with him, where she's like, okay, so I don't feel
comfortable like being here, and I'm gonna leave because you
just said that you're in love with multiple people and
that doesn't make sense to me. And he's like, well,
I I'm just gonna have to figure out who I'm
the most in love with, and she was like, okay, well,
I'm not comfortable being in a competition for who's gonna
win the most in love with award, so like I'm
gonna go, But then he like talks her out of it.
(31:31):
So basically he convinces Gabby and Rachel both to stay.
The next day they both meet his parents, and then
after they both meet his parents, he tells them, actually,
I'm in love with Susie and I'm gonna try to
tell her to come back.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Susie's like, no, I'm good. But then at the like
reunion after the final rows, Susie and him are dating.
They've since broken up, but that was the drama, Gabby
has an incredible like confrontation with him where she's like,
I don't trust a single word you say, like, this
was all bullshit and you just wanted us to stay
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because you like wanted to feel better about yourself, and
I this is time I could have spent with my
loved ones and friends that you took away from me.
So Gabby was amazing. Rachel was like, I think honestly
struggling a lot. And I won't comment on anything because
I'm just.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Like, I think she's a feminist. I will not comment
on anything Rachel has done her said, and I will
not compare her to Gabby.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
She justice for her, that's all I'll say. Okay, So
then I'm like, well that was crazy and I'm like
googling Clayton at card and I see, like VI all files,
Clayton is not the father. And that's where I really
went down a fucking whirlwind path because.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
You're a car detouring off the freeway violently and taking
an exit.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
This is like I was listening to this podcast at work,
Like it was like so consuming to me that I
was like sneaking away to the back to like turn
it on because I it's like, what even happens. So
basically after the Bachelorette, after Clayton and Susie break up,
god knows why, no offense. He moves to Scottsdale, Arizona
(33:13):
to become a real estate agent, which is just like
really sad, but also it's like it makes sense. But
I'm just like, all right, so you're already like not
doing great, Okay. A woman reaches out to him on LinkedIn.
Just imagine this being you, Like, imagine this happens to you.
Someone reaches out to you on LinkedIn. A woman reaches
out to him and says she wants to buy a house.
He's like, great, let's like set up a meeting. They
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meet in person. She's very inappropriate. No wait, sorry, they
have not met in person yet they have never met
in person or I'm not sure, but basically he barely
knows this person. Okay. She starts sending flirtier and flirtier
text messages to him, and he is on the podcast talking.
He's like, and I had partaken in eating an edible
(33:58):
that night, so I was not in my best mind.
And she sent me a nude photo and I just
said come over. Okay. So imagine someone who you met
through LinkedIn, who you have a business professional relationship with,
sends you unprompted he said, it was unprompted a nude
photo and you say, come over to my home where
I live. Sure, no, prov So that is like one
(34:21):
of those moments like in the movies, Like you know
when like everything goes wrong in a movie and you're like,
oh my god, Like it's like this person is like
in such hell. It's like when when Kate Beckhamsale and
clar Danes like go to like prison y. Yeah, it's
like you're like, oh my god, everything's going to get worse. Yeah,
how can things get worse? Like this is like the
(34:41):
moment where where Clayton accepts this nude is like the
moment where everything like goes wrong because basically, in his words,
she performed oral sex on him twice five hours apart
in one night, which all already I'm like okay, so
and did you do anything to her? So within days
she well, okay. So then the next day he says
(35:03):
that was a mistake. This is a professional relationship and
I'm not interested in relationship, and she's like visibly upset,
and she first says like, I'm not gonna move forward
with any like real estate deals with you unless you
date me. And he's like.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Not unreasonable after the two blow jobs, but.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, and he's like no, and then basically within a
short amount of time, she contacts him and says she's pregnant,
and he doesn't know enough to be like, there's no
way that's true. He's like, oh, when she was dry
humping me after she gave me a blowjob, like maybe
she got pregnant from that.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
The public school system so this country.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
He's literally googling, and he's like explaining on the podcast.
He's like, well, I was thinking like maybe there was
like pre come and like she put it inside her
or she like caught like the com and like put
it inside her in the bathroom, like he's like running.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
As possibility does someone have a gun to his head
while he's talking about this on a podcast.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Like no, I know. I kept thinking that to him,
like why is he being like so open? But he
said that because she slandered his name so much like that,
He's like, I just have to get the truth out there.
So that's why I'm talking like this. So basically, like
the only other thing I have to say is like
this proceeds to where they're both like trying to get
restraining orders against each other. She's using fake ultrasounds and
(36:23):
when he like showed the fake ultrasound at the Viall file,
like yeah, Nick Viall's wife was like so there's like
no uterus in the photo, like and he's like okay,
and so that's good to know. And so and he's
talking about how they're getting restraining orders against each other
and he decided to represent himself in court genius. So
(36:46):
Nick Viall is obviously like, so why did you choose
to defend yourself court? Because he lost the case, like
he lost getting a restraining order or like not getting
one or whatever the hell. And he's like, oh, so
the reason I just decided to represent myself is because
I had just bought a house and I googled that
(37:07):
a lawyer can be six hundred and fifty dollars an
hour and I couldn't afford it. And it's like listen,
it does and it doesn't sound like you put much
work into that. So anyway, he represents himself, and then
someone on Reddit like reaches out to him and is like,
you shouldn't have done that, but whatever. So then he
starts talking about how Reddit stepped in, and he keeps
(37:29):
going and by the way, shout out to Reddit because
they really like stepped in and like helped my case
and they like helped figure, helped me figure out that
she was lying and all this stuff. And eventually Nick
Viall is like, well, so you know, like Reddit's not
just one person, right, Like Reddit is like a thing
like he was he was acting like, oh, and by
the way, let me shout out this this community. They're
(37:50):
really small communities called Reddit. He's like, you know, that's
like a like there's multiple people on Reddit. And Clayton goes, wait,
you think it's only just one person? And Nick's like no,
and he's like, well, whatever, I mean whatever it is.
They helped me out, Like that is the level. So
basically the way it is now is there's like Clayton
(38:13):
was basically like, she says that her DU date, which
now she says it's twins by the way that she's
having Clayton's twins. And she says her due date is
this coming Valentine's Day twenty twenty four, which he was like,
and he's like, in big surprise, she chose Valentine's Day
as her DU date. But he's like, we just have
to like wait and see that. Like the baby's not
(38:33):
gonna like call him on Valentine's Day. It was kind
of an amazing story. Also, Clayton has written a book
since about God being motivational, and I just was like
I had no one to talk to about this because
I was like, wait, this happened like a while ago,
and I'm like just catching on, but like this is
a crazy whirlwind that this man has been through and
(38:55):
it makes me really sad, and I wish I wish
he had just like one smart, reliable friend who could
have been like, hey, this is not the right move, right,
And I think he could have had a smart reliable
friend in any of the three women that he completely
fumbled things with.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
But if you're the kind of guy who's telling strangers
to come over, you're not that this is all a
mistake on the producers of the ABC producer's part, Yes,
like you're not you need a Joey. I'm sorry, but
Joey was the best casting for a Bachelor and forever.
I think that he's someone who can like fuck, But
(39:37):
I don't think he's someone who would tell a stranger
from LinkedIn to come over after she sent him a nude.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
One thought.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
And when I say that, I don't mean that as
like a compliment. I feel like I'm the kind of
like used to be, the kind of crazy person would
send a nude unsolicited and I would get annoyed by
the guys who had their shit together and say something like,
oh oh that's crazy. Okay, yeah, I need to go
to bed, Like I hated guys like that.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
You know, I had a nude emphasized. We know this
I sent him and it was emphasized and that was it.
So yeah, but looking back, I respect that, and I
am pregnant with that man's twins and he is.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Going to represent himself in court well, I am so
excited to keep the journey going on Summer House, on
vander Pump Rolls on the Valley. Should we tease some
big news that we have or not teased. Should we
(40:37):
come out with some big news or maybe next episode.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Next episode, next episode, we have some news to share.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
That's who That is a tease.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And by the way, when I was watching these old
episodes of Clayton season, I was watching at my parents'
house and Clayton was talking about his journey. He's like,
this is my journey to find love and my journey.
This my journey that and my dad was walking through
the living room and he goes, your journey fuck off.
Not having any information on what this was or who
anything was. He was just like, your journey, fuck off.
(41:09):
And then he was like later came in and he
was trying to understand. He's like, wait, so there's women
in the limo and I was like, yeah, so they
come out of the limo and he was like, wait,
I don't understand. So they're just waiting in the limo.
I was like, yes, a limo of women pulls up
and sits there and then one by one they all
come out. He's like what he was really struggling.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Your journey. He was upset that that's iconic. I love you, Devin,
love you, Caroled.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I won't suit so romantic, babe. I don't leave me, haggen.
I want true
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