October 28, 2021 • 54 mins
One of our OWN just got married and the girls get the 411, the deets, the lowdown etc. How do you plan a wedding that’s creative, authentic, and makes Devin and Carolina cry? Ask Olivia, our producer and newlywed. We talk Comic-Con proposals, pick up lines that actually kill, what songs to sing into a mic while you’re walking down the aisle, wedding hacks and the girls get together to take a stand against flash mobs.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to True Romance. This is Carolina Barlow.
This is Devin Leary, and this what I'm using right
now is my real voice, unlike Carolina, who uses her
fake posts voice. I don't know why we're starting off
with you antagonizing me. I don't know why that that
is your choice right now. That's just how I'm feeling. Why,
(00:35):
That's how I'm feeling. She's feeling spicy today, folks, She's coming.
Is my real voice? Okay, Yes, it's hard to be
always this is your real voice. But your intro is
always like hello, Okay, well I thought that was my brand.
It's always like who is it? Hello? Hello? Like mrs
(00:56):
do what I'm supposed to do? Change? After seventy episodes
of our show, I think you you want me to change?
I think no, I don't want you to change. I
want you to be who you are. But what about
when you said never change? I wrote that in your
yearbook as just a fleeting thing. I didn't mean like forever.
Since we're thirteen years old, you have to never change.
(01:17):
I just meant like, well, I am never going to change.
I stayed a virgin for life. Isn't that kind of
messed up as you think about the fact that Gordo
wrote in Lizzie McGuire's your book, have a great summer,
don't ever change. She was in middle school. In what
world does she not ever change? Like I hope she changes.
I hope she learns to drive. I hope she moves
out of her parents house when she's old enough. Like
(01:38):
that was she never grew another inch, and neither did Gordon.
I mean, that's true, but that's because so Hillary Duff
did an architectural digest tora of her house. You know
those little videos they do, and some of them are wild,
like if you watch Live Tyler's she is bananas and
she answers her phone at one point it's like, hello,
(02:00):
just kidding, Oh, I love that's great energy, very very
interesting and like a drink out of love and am energy.
And Hillary Duff actually seems like a very nice person.
But I'm gonna say, be careful because I am a fan.
But go on. But she does walk past her fireplace
and there's a bunch of firewood stack next to it,
(02:20):
and she's like, and I loved the exposed firewood. Here
come on as if oh, we're so perfect that we
wouldn't accidentally say exposed firewood instead of exposed brick. I
don't think so. It's exposed fire when we're talking about logs,
we we're talking about actually fire nervous. She's welcoming cameras
into her home. Okay, well, I guess we should leave
(02:43):
Ram in case she wants to be a guest on
the podcast. That's my real voice. But I do love
when people do the memes on Instagram of her old
choreographed dance moves like no offense. But she was a
really bad dancer when she was a pop star. Like
there's a meme that was like when someone tells Adele fans,
you can't dance too easy on me, And it was
like Hilary Duff doing her like robotic dance moves too
(03:04):
easy on me. It was a different time for dance
when it was it was Barry choreographed moves. It was
boom Cat era. Oh yeah, rain from making the band
boom Cat, boom Cat, boom Cat. That's what she was like,
boop Cat. I said, boot is this oh Town years
Town Danity Kane, Danity Kane, Aubrey O day. We have
(03:31):
to jump to something that's urgent something that is recent,
something affects our lives and thus our listeners, because I
know what happens to us directly affects you, and that
is that one of our own is betrothed, is wedded.
She is she She went out and did it for us,
knowing that we should not girls. She went out dead
(03:54):
for the girls. She got married. Okay, is it a
coincidence that she listened to True Roman and then she
got married. Yes, because she was engaged before she started
working on our show. But I like to think our
podcast made a huge impact on It's why she does
everything she does. Let's be honest. Yes, it's her north star,
(04:19):
as she's never called it. Please welcome to the pod
our producer, the woman who makes this show happen truly
to sign the music, the magic behind the music, the
magic behind the music. Olivia, Hello, Hello. I felt so
honored when you too, were like, wait, you're married. Get
(04:40):
on the podcast. We are interviewing a real married person today,
for real life. Just just married last weekend, just literally
like a week ago, just married. The ring is officially on,
is permanent, The ring is real. Um. I know this
isn't a visual lam, but it's it's sparkling. It's blinding.
(05:05):
It's blinding. Carolina and Devin so much speechless because what
is the word for when jealousy is mixed with love? Um,
jealous it's joy. I feel like you love right now. No,
m Olivia, your proposal story, could you give us a synopsis?
I know that you were scared of the proposal. Yeah,
(05:26):
happening in the wrong place. So UM, my husband, Harry,
that's so my husband Harry. Um. He proposed to me
um in Los Angeles at a hiking area that we
go too frequently, and it was super romantic and everything.
But to your point, I was scared of the proposal
(05:46):
because the week prior we were at San Diego Comic Con.
And one of the many qualities I love about Harry
is that he is a full on like Marvel NERD,
loves the comics, loves Moon Night in particular, and he
was just acting so strange during that time and just
(06:07):
and this was my first comic con, and I was
so paranoid that he was going to get down on
one knee at the convention center around so many people
dressed up in cosplay Spider Man. It was either like
they're at the comic Con or he like orchestrated or
(06:29):
like thinking like, oh my gosh, like a flash mob. Please, no,
I don't want to see. I think it's a Spider
Man flash mob. I think we can stand. We can
make a stand as a podcast right now that we
are anti flash mob in general. Okay, so you're nervous
about comic Con. Then Harry's acting weird. Yeah, he was
(06:52):
acting kind of strange. Mind you, his job is like
deadline driven and all that. So I was thinking like, okay,
maybe it's something at work and all the at and
I just like felt his energy shift a little. But
also too, we we've been on the same page about
um getting married and all that, so we did like
the ring shopping, just checking out different like styles on
(07:14):
my hands. So um keithing be on the same page.
So yes, that is important. So but then I noticed
he was more stressed than usual. So and then once
he proposed to me when we were hiking, I was like, okay,
this explains everything. And he like sang one of our
favorite songs um during the proposal, and it actually ended
(07:37):
up being our first dance too. It's um Electric Love
by Burns, and so yeah, it was it was so
sweet and like I could tell like he was so
nervous and it was just like such a fun, genuine
proposal where it's like it was so intimate between us. Um,
(07:58):
I'm sure he's fine with us his I wanted to
be involved at the proposal, but Harry just put his
foot downs, like, no, this is Olivia's this is I
love that mom energy. My mom would do the same thing,
like like she was again, I love her so much,
She's my mother in law. And I guess she was
like talking to him being like okay, so I'm going
(08:19):
to hide in the bushes and god, so how did
you and Harry met? We met at a bar, Like
I know this sounds strange, but like old fashion style
because now a lot of people meet online and all
this and other ways. But we met at a bar.
I was out for a friend's birthday party and he
(08:41):
was out with his ballets, the brow Skies, the browski Is,
the brow Skies got together and they said, come on,
let's do it up, talking smack and slapping asses. I'm sure, yes,
so much. And we were at the same bar and um,
and this was just I'm just thinking of this now
(09:03):
because it was so fresh during our family and friends
speeches of um like how we met and everything. And
one of the memories of when I met Harry there
he like came up to me all smooth, like just
like Hi, I'm Harry, and he's like, you're the most
beautiful girl in this bar. And then I responded that
(09:24):
because I'm I can get fancy and I and I responded,
only this bar love wow, wow wow. I will say
the spiciness was definitely fueled by like al gash Whites. Sure, no,
I'm just impressed that you thought that quickly on your feet.
If someone said that to me, I'd be like, I
(09:49):
was just thinking. Like I when I was dating in
New York, like I always wanted to go out because
I always was like I'm gonna meet to what I
actually had the energy of, like Ramona Singer in the
seasons of Real Housewives after mar where I was like,
all right, where are we going? How many single guys
are gonna be there? Like I'm not going to be
there unless you're single men like that's but then every
time I got there, I would freeze up. And even
if like like one time a guy did come up
(10:11):
to me and say like hey, like, do you want
to dance? And I was like what No, And then
like the whole rest of the weekend, I was completed.
It was a bachelor at weekend. I was like complaining.
I was like, no, one like hits on me. And
someone kept being like, but what about that guy who
asked you to dance? You acted like he was like
a murderer, And I was like, oh, yeah, that's true.
I just have no idea how to interact with humans.
(10:32):
I guess it's like a fine line. I honestly thinking
that just from like the scenario you presented, I would
be very like now. But it was darring. Okay, it
was daring. But I'm just saying I'm not smooth and
you are, and I respect that. And I guess maybe
we all could be married now if we were a
little more quick on our feet. That's our message out.
(10:53):
It's your fault if you're not married right now. What
was your first impression of Harry? My first impression of him,
I just thought he was the funny, the funniest person.
Just like meeting him. He's very quick and witty and
so like I would say, within the first like um
like week of meeting him, he was just making me
(11:15):
laugh all the time, just with like silly stuff and
just him being able to be himself right away like sometimes.
And I definitely went through this with dating. It's like
you want to set like a good first impression, you're
just not you're, at least for me, I'm not myself. Yeah,
I definitely like with past dating, I would never present
like my true self until like months later, and he
(11:39):
just presented himself just so authentic and it just made
me feel more comfortable being like, oh, if like that's happening,
then I can just be myself and that's a okay.
And that's what really attracted me was just like his
personality and then just he's such a like kind and
lovable person, like he thinks of others first before him,
(12:01):
and like he's just like such a helpful guy. And um, yeah,
I'm just so attracted when someone can be just so
sweet to others and also be like sweet to themselves too.
So yeah, that's what got me with it. I love
that it reminds me of this. Um I'm listening to
Burnet Brown's The Power of Vulnerability. It's pretty good. But
(12:22):
one thing she says that I've been thinking about a
lot is that when she shows up in situations, her
motto is don't shrink, don't puff up, Like I like that.
It's don't belittle yourself and don't because of any insecurity
like brag or try to be someone you're not, And
(12:44):
how do we show up exactly as we are? Which
I think is something I've definitely struggled with when I
want an outcome, like I want someone to think of
me a certain way. But she was saying like, if
you show up as yourself and that person doesn't like it,
or that group of friends doesn't like it, or that
job interview doesn't go well, at least you you showed
up as yourself. You don't feel like shame afterwards. You
could feel disappointment, But I feel like I want to
(13:06):
adopt that more and it it definitely is something that's
interesting if someone else is themselves. It does like relax
a room totally. Yeah. I think that is really good
advice as just being your authentic self. And I definitely
had that, Like in my vows writing to him was
like I've never met like someone so authentic and so
true so and that's what definitely really attracted me to
(13:30):
him and um, yeah, it's it's just such a beautiful
I feel so positive. I mind you listeners out there,
I am on such a wedding high right now. But
we can address like there are you know, the ebbs
and flows of every time I was going to say,
what's what was like the most stressful part of planning
the wedding? Honestly, Like myself and Harry were like producers,
(13:54):
so we were really pretty on top of pretty on
top of stuff. So we and I think the beautiful
thing of a wedding is like we both had our
personalities in it. Sometimes when you see a wedding, you're like, oh,
definitely one person was super involved in this and like that.
But we both showed our personalities and honestly, I think
like the most challenging part, and this is so funny
(14:16):
to think, I think it was food that was challenging
because you had to like adjust everyone's dietary like all this,
and it's so funny. One thing about Harry he doesn't
like sweet potatoes. So when we were going over our menu,
and this is where I was like, whoa, this is
some groom zilla stuff. But I'm loving it. Like when
(14:38):
they were talking about um because we had like, uh,
mixed vegetables, and they were like, it's going to be
seasonal in all this, and since your weddings in the fall,
like we recommend like sweet potatoes, And in our email chain,
Harry responds back, no sweep tato. If I see a
fucking sweet potato on anyone's plate, I'm gonna go ballistic.
(14:59):
I don't even know what I'm gonna do. When you
bring up sweet potatoes, my first response was like, oh,
at least that's like an uncommon thing. But then when
you said fall seasonal, it is the moment. It's like
butternut squash, sweet potatoes. You better like one or the other. Yeah, exactly.
And so when when Harry made that like like put
(15:19):
its foot down, it's like, no sweet potato, I'm like, yeah,
that's potato. It is. You got it. I do have
to say that. And people can look at your Instagram
after this to see. But you looked so beautiful. The
cut of your dress was stunning. I loved how you
did your hair, and I have some logistical questions. Yes, yes,
(15:42):
what song did you walk down the aisle too? So
we had Mariachi band at our web amazing and it
was a Spanish and English version of Can't Take My
Eyes off of You, Oh My God. That so I
think the lyrics were in Spanish and then the chorus
was an English, just like a hybrid mix of them.
(16:02):
And it was they were so awesome. Shout out to
um Mariachi's arto eras, like they were so amazing and
there and lgbt Q mariachi band in Los Angeles, so
it was just great resource. Yes, yeah, it's just like
it's like they were just so phenomenal and then just
(16:23):
walking down the aisle of that I just felt so
it was beautiful and like relaxing too, because like i mean,
depending on what song you want to walk down to,
it can be like super dramatic and all that. But
it's like this was like a joyous occasion. I'm like,
let's have a mariachi band and play the music and everything.
I'm glad you bring that up because Carolina has told
me that whenever she gets married, she plans to walk
(16:43):
down the aisle to Shallow by Lady Gaga. And I've
told her so many times. I'm like, this is a
little dramatic, like I think people are going to be jarred,
but she says, no, I cannot walk down the aisle
to any other song. No, I said I would. I
said I would sing shallow walking down the aisle, light
right right, right, way, were right, And I said, I'm
ready for this. I'm prepared vocally. I've never been stronger.
(17:04):
You know what's so funny is that me and an
ex um once talked about getting married, and I said that, like,
if we get married, I want to walk down the
aisle with a mike on my face, like how Brittany
used to saying, with like a mike on my face,
and then I want to stop in mid aisle turn
like I'm going to run away, and then I want
you with the groom up there, to start singing like no,
(17:26):
don't go, and then me to turn back. I was
totally serious about this. I would have done this at first, sure,
and I'm like, what mean, don't talk to me like that?
And had a back and forth singing until we got married. Um,
which brings me my next question, which is you guys
brot your own vows and what was that like reading
your vows to each other and were you surprised at
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certain points in the wedding when you got emotional or
what suddenly turned you emotional, because I feel like I've
seen women walk down the aisle and I could tell
the like all of a sudden they were crying, just
because it's such a shock that this is happening, this
life moment. It definitely was like emotional. I think at
the end towards like walking to I guess the altar area,
(18:12):
like just walking up and I'm like, oh my goodness,
we're here and this is the moment, and I just
remember getting emotional, not so much like terry eyed, but
being like, Wow, this is going to be a moment
that we remember for the rest of our lives. And
it was just also neat when you're like up there
and you like look into the crowd and it's like
your whole life's in front of you, like family, friends,
(18:34):
like you're like teachers, You're like, it's just like amazing.
You just see your whole both of your lives. You
see both of your lives in front of you. And
I think that was a very emotional because I feel
strongly where like the people you invite or include wedding
like they've contributed to you in your life in so
many ways. And definitely when we got to our vows.
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That's where the water works happened. I like was like, Okay,
I'm gonna like have like be composed and I'm going
to read this to him. And then as soon as
I said his name and our nickname to each other,
I just started balling. Just look here we go, and
um the vows were so personal and so sweet. Um
mine was like a little bit of a mix of
(19:17):
like sincere vows but also a roast to him that
I like that. I like that mix. The crazy thing
is to where our vows so we like give each
other nicknames and then our friends like call each other names.
And I started my vows that way and coincidentally, like
Harry's vows started out that way. And like we had
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guests coming up being like did you guys like talk
beforehand and all this more like no, literally, like we
wrote our vows like in separate, like like I was
at a hotel, he was at our apartment. Like it
was like not planning at all, but it was just
so sincere and so genuine and like I yeah, we
just had guests like come up to us being like
(19:58):
those were our favor fort vows like ever, and that's
like a huge thing because I was like, like, I
think the focus too, was like we wanted to write
her own, but we also are like like we're not
gonna like lean On and I'm sorry I remember you
too mentioning that you guys are a religious podcast. Yes, why, yes, um,
(20:20):
but just like oh you think it's naturally Devon has
a life size cross behind her in her room. Okay,
you know what, let's just let's just skip this. It's
please don't be put off by Jesus's naked body behind me,
because that was the form he was crucified in, and
I am paying homage to how he passed for us,
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for our sins. Every time I have to pray eighteen
times to his naked body behind me, and I have
to practically not being aroused, Please disregard the life size
Nativity scene behind me and why I'm swaddled like baby
Jesus himself. I just feel at home where Jesus felt
that in the Manger in the Major in the Major
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Love the name of our podcast, the new name of
our podcast in the main Major with Carolina Borrow. You know,
it is a little bit like narcissistic to assume that
out of all the places in the Nativity scene, you
will get the manger, but I'm confused why. Okay, okay,
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so you guys didn't lean too much into religion in
the ceremony. Yeah, we didn't lean too much into it.
We just wanted to really focus on like the ideas
of like love and friendship and commitments. So it was
just that was like kind of the themes and even
like for like reading portion, we my friend, my one
of my good friends from growing up, read a poem
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by Maya Angelou called Touched by an Angel and it's
just really emphasizing like the power of like love and
how much it sets you free. And I felt like
that was just like such an important point where it's
like I want like all our friends and family to
know this, Like how like once you let love enter you,
whether it's like you know, like whether it's in partnership
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or even loving yourself, like that's where you become the
most free. And just that reading like really spoke to us.
And yeah, and not like heavily picking up on a
reading on some you know, biblical thing. So we're just
like we wanted we wanted something that was genuine in
that and something to share and really encourage our guests
(22:37):
to leave with and all that. And I love that
you mentioned food because I've been at waspy weddings where
they truly don't know how to feed people. Where I've
stalked waiters who are holding appetizers because I'm that hungry
that I'm like, get over here, get over here. He
just left the kitchen. Go get a slider. Go get
a slider. So what would you call one of your
(22:58):
wedding hacks? Well, what did you do that you thought, Oh,
that was a really good idea. Thank god we did that. Um,
a good wedding hack. Okay, I know weddings can be costly,
so it's like what you want to put into the
wedding is like what you think will like leave an
impact or an impression on people and all that, and
(23:19):
like share with food, like you want to make sure
you're feeding everyone and all that. But I think one
of the best things, and this was a last minute
and on was our grand exit because um, I was
like at first, Harry and I were like, Okay, we
don't need a grand exit, Like it's fine. And also
our venue had a lot of um rules that we
like couldn't bring certain things and all that. So it's like, okay,
(23:40):
we'll just like walk to our after party. Who cares.
And last minute we decided our neighborhood in l a
UM has a big um low rider community. And for
our listeners out there, low riders are just like beautiful
majestic cars. Usually Chevy is like the predominant like maker,
and it's a huge thing in like a lot of
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the Latino communities of just having like really nice cars
and sometimes you add like a thing called hydraulics to
it where you can make it go up and down.
If anyone watched exhibits show there, we all understand what
we're talking. Yeah, And so in the neighborhood we're in,
low riders are really popular. And also like there's been
parades and all that. So when Harry and I were talking,
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I'm like, I know we weren't thinking of grand exit,
but let's think about this low rider thing. And also
to like myself being um Mexican American, I'm like, yes,
this is a neat way to pay homage to the
local community and all this and um, and so I
got on Facebook. I know Facebook is under fire right now,
(24:46):
as always forever on fire, um the UM. I reached
down to the Los Angeles low Rider community group and
literally just gave details, um offered to pay, like what
we were looking for, and then someone reached out to
us and that was our grand exit was leaving out
in a low rider in front of our venue and
(25:09):
it was so sweet and the driver was so amazing
and he just drove us up and down the streets
of like where we live nearby, and like everyone, like
the locals were just like going nuts, like this is
amazing and all this. So I would say, okay, so
backtracking a little, like, definitely put in money where you
(25:30):
think you are going to love it in the end,
and then um also to like if it's worth it.
I think like some people feel pressured when they see
like bridal magazines or like even social media to be
like okay, I must have this, or like I don't
even have a wedding and it's like you don't need to.
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I think the most fun weddings are when you just
really put the event and you show both of your
personalities in it. And I think that's where you find
it fun and at can be whether you decide to
spend a little more in this area or like not
spend money. Like even for us, like we didn't do
a champagne toast because we're like we have hottails. I'm like,
(26:12):
in my mind, I think it's a waste of money. Also,
you have so much champagne left over, it's and we're
just like, well, we're not really like champagne people either.
So I think it's just like stay true to yourselves.
You're the the Even through the planning process you kind
of get annoyed where you're like, man, I have to
be concerned about this guest and that guest, But like
(26:32):
in the end, it truly is about you too, celebrating
your love. So it's like make your party be focused
around you. Sure, you'll have some headaches that you have
to deal logistically of like pleasing people and all this,
but in the end, like have it be about you.
That's like the most important thing, whether you spend in
this area or not spend in certain areas. Yeah, I
(26:56):
love that. I I it's so funny. I was talking
to a wedding planner recently actually, and he said the
that specific thing was he said, a champagne toasts are
a waste of money because so many people don't want
to drink champagne, and then you're just left over with
so much champagne. People will be drinking whiskey, being like
I don't want a glass of champagne right now. It's true,
(27:16):
of course I drank when I did, drink like an animal,
so I would have been like, sure, why not, No,
I I don't. I do not remember ever seeing people
actually enjoying the champagne at a wedding. I have to
say I like that advice in terms of making it
about your own personalities, because I think that's something that
(27:37):
that's interesting what the wedding community is that you some
people do are committed to just the bridle sort of
look rather than how they wanted to feel. Yeah, sometimes
I think like, yeah, I mean, the bridle industry is
like a billion dollar industry and it's like it's wild
(28:00):
and they like people can easily persuade you to do
something that you know, like, oh, that isn't us. But
I feel like we have to do that just for
the sake of it, and it's like no, in the end,
you can say no and just be like right, the
power of no. That's given that we got a brother
who does a good ten minutes stand up bit never
(28:22):
given that I have fully gotten haircuts that I hated
and cried afterwards because I was afraid to say no.
I can't imagine myself, like I can imagine ending up
with a wedding that made no sense to who I was,
an actual like religious wedding. Just if the wedding planner
was like, so that's okay, right, I'd be like, okay, okay,
I know I've literally had someone straightened my banks even
(28:45):
though I have curly hair and cut across like a
bull haircut, and I have not said a single word
because I was too scared of hurting their feelings even
though I was paying them. And then I left and
immediately cried. It's also interesting, It's like it's one of
those things where I could see getting confused. If people
were like, well, this is how it's done, like this
is what well you have to have this, I would
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be like, oh, I don't know. I'm just a little girl.
I don't know, I'm a baby. I can't believe I'm
getting married. I mean, it's like you, you and your
partner have the choice to say no. And I just
to people who are planning to get married looking to
(29:27):
get married, like just again, make it about yourselves and
also really use that power of no just like because
you wanted to be reflecting what both of you are.
I love that. I think that's really good advice. You
look so happy right now and that is such a
(29:48):
reflection I think on who you married, how you got married,
and it's as a reminder that it's about the person,
not about the wedding. YEA, truly. Yeah. I mean in
the end, like had people right like really sweet notes
to us, and like there were a couple of people
that like, I thought this was so sweet at them
(30:09):
that they're like, like we had like a like a
prompt out being like what wedding advice do you give
to a bahbah? And like people were like, we have
no advice because we see you two so in love
and so happy with each other. And I'm like, Okay,
there's something we're missing. There's gotta be something else. And
then like we got lovely advice from like people, but
(30:32):
it's like, um, yeah, just I think that was the
best part is like it was just being our authentic
selves shown in our whole wedding, whether it was outfits, decorations,
all that it was just so beautiful and like the
people also, I guess another tip is be sure you
(30:53):
work with vendors that you really enjoy and that they
see what vision your cuting and all that, and all
of our vendors did that and I think that helped
significantly And it was just like so sweet that like
I could see in Harry's eyes and vice versa, that
(31:14):
he could see within me. It's like like we were
just so happy in that moment. And another recommendation, don't
have your phone on you. But I saw someone post
on Instagram by someone I actually mean Amanda Batula, star
of Summer House in Winterhouse on Bravo, who we will
will be talking about later in the episode. She posted
(31:34):
that she recommended that people don't have their phones, but
have someone else hold your phone and take pictures for you,
because she woke up the next morning and didn't have
any photos from the night and then she wished that
she had asked someone to take candids or something. Yeah,
we um my maid of honor, shout out to Kelsey.
(31:54):
She had my phone and they just created a shared
album and just like everyone just poured their photos in
there and it was Yeah, that was one way we
did it, and I just like, yeah, I literally didn't
have my phone. Um, Kelsey had it the whole time.
And it just works out and it's one less thing
to be stressed about because you're going to get a
(32:15):
flood of messages from people wishing you like great luck
that day and all that. So your phone is just
going to be buzzing uncontrollably. And we're all we're all
addicted to our phones at least nine I'm not do
you mean the phone and the computer? I slept within
my bed last night, but yeah, maybe I have a problem.
I don't know. Yeah, and it's just like just handed
off to someone and um, yeah, like we did a
(32:37):
shared album at the end and everyone just uploaded their photos. Olivia,
you've listened to us talk and debate relationships. What is
the relationship advice you um would give to the singles
out there? Looping myself and I'm grouping myself in. I
just say, be your authentic self, Like you are going
(32:59):
to attract someone who as long as you are being
true to yourself, that's where I think that's where you'll
see the attraction. Like you never want to change for
someone and just be your true authentic self and also
just communicate like what you want, like what you are
seeking for and all that. I think that has helped
(33:21):
out even late, Like when Harry and I like first met,
I was like kind of like, Okay, I'm I think
I'm going to look for something serious, but like we'll
see what happens, and then it just it just goes
from there. And I think definitely really and it's it's
taken like lots of therapy of just being um comfortable
(33:41):
with who you are and not having to change who
you are. I love that and I feel like I
am only just getting to that point in my where
I'm like, oh my god, I think I can actually
just be myself now. Um, but it's for me, it's
like an exhaustion thing, like I'm too tired, don't I
just don't feel like it anymore. I don't have the energy. Um,
(34:03):
but I still have to get to know the real MA.
But that's really good advice because so often I think
like we do present a facade and then it's like
eventually they're going to find out anyway, or you're going
to find out anyway who someone really is. So I
think if you can from the start feel comfortable being yourself.
That's like probably the best sign there is that it's
going to have long lasting potential. I think I spent
(34:27):
many years trying to determine when dating what kind of
person the person I was dating might like. Right now,
I'm like, are you kidding me? Like what kind of
person judges someone? Based off that? But in my early twenties,
I thought, Yeah, So I went to a lot of
bad art house movies and I did all these things
that I did not want to do because I was
(34:49):
trying to create a version of myself that was quote
unquote lovable by a specific person. And then I completely
lost touch with myself and it took me like two
years to really feel like myself again, which is wild. Yeah,
I and I definitely went through that too. Like with
first dating, was just like, oh, I'm going to like
really like this particular band and I'm going to like
(35:10):
research their disography, and then you realize, like, I don't
give a shit about them. Why did I waste so
much time? Okay, it's enough. That's what Devin's boyfriend told her.
One direction or Bust, I mean, if you can't get
behind it, one deer bust is Devon's license plate or
(35:31):
one D and bust and bust. Olivia, thank you so
much for being our producer and for just being so
dedicated and such a nice person. It's so it makes
me so happy, and I truly believe you deserve the happiness.
And and though I pitched myself as ring bearer and
flower girl, not once twice, but three times, and listen,
(35:52):
I didn't hear no, but I didn't hear yes, I
didn't hear back. Um, and so that's the only time
that I've had a communication problem with you, actually because
or an incredible producer, and um, that is just me
giving some positive feedback. Okay, I'll check my inbox. It
might have gone a junk or something, but I think
(36:13):
blocked messages. If you haven't blocked messages folder, you might
want to check there. Yeah, it seems like I get
to go through a couple of them. So I'm so
so sorry. It's okay now that I know that it
was an accident, I'm totally fine. Well, I just wanted
to say we couldn't do the show without Olivia. You
are truly the foundation upon which we stand, and I
(36:36):
trust your creative opinion over everything. I trust your opinion
on people over everything. So I know that Harry. I
would already have known that Harry was wonderful if I
didn't also get to meet him, which Carolina didn't, by
the way, but I did because that's what close we are.
So I'm so happy for you guys. And maybe I
was in the hospital I was going to say to
the listeners out there, Carolina just gave a lean stare
(37:00):
just like hearing everything. Devon was just saying, right now
meeting Harry, Wow, wow, been under the knife. Well, I
think you're actually just up to you were actually just
could have been, but we didn't reach it could have been,
but we didn't reach out to you. Okay, So Olivia,
we love you. Thank you for joining us. Olivia. What
is your Instagram so that our listeners can see your
amazing wedding photos and follow the shows that you work on? Yes? Yes,
(37:24):
um so I am at Olivia Newton Juan on Instagram
and um also to being an executive producer on Big
Money Players. Um follow Big Money Players on Instagram as well,
and um yeah just seeing all the shows that I
work on. M true romance does have a special place
(37:47):
in my heart. So thank you. Thank you, keep following,
keep listening. I love you both so much. YouTube are
so sweet. We love you. Okay, we'll be right back. Oh,
welcome back to True Romance. That was our producer, Olivia.
(38:10):
We're so happy for her. But now we get to
dive in to a show that Devon introduced me to,
and while watching it, I really realized this is a
whole reality TV universe that I have not been a
part of yet. And this is a show called Winter House.
It's on Devin's home network, Bravo, and it's about to
(38:32):
correct me if I'm wrong. Attractive people drinking in a
winter house. Yes, So the origin of this show. Let
me just put on my history glasses here and give
you a little quick, a quick lesson. So the origin
of this show, it started with Summer House, which was
a show Bravo came out with that features singles who
(38:54):
get Hampton's House, and the show was following them over
like six to eight weekends where they would go from
Manhattan to the Hampton's and they would do like little
quick inserts where it's like, this is our life in
the city. We're going to lunch, we're going to work,
and then it's like it's Thursday night, We're heading out
to the Hampton's. So it was kind of like a
slice of life if you were a Hampton's weekender. And
(39:16):
that spawned into Winter House, which also has some tie
ins from Southern Charm. I would say, which is Bravo's
most problematic series? Um has features I don't, I mean,
I can guess, but why is it problematic? Southern Charm
features multiple descendants of slave owners. It features people who
(39:40):
live on family plantations. It features people who say like
you're our kind, you know, like it's not, but they did.
They made a push none of none of the characters
on this on Winter House, which is just I believe
Craig Conover and Austin Croll are the two from Southern Charm.
(40:00):
They are not descended from slave owners as far as
I know, and they have not been like problematic characters
aside from drug use and maybe a little bit of
like growing misogyny, but maybe like COVID denying, That's what
I read about Austin Crawl. Well, so this season of
Southern Charm, as all other Bravo shows, it's the most
recent season, took place during COVID, and I mean none
(40:22):
of our more surprised. The Southern charm experience of COVID
was not one I can get behind. None of us
are surprised, Like they're out clubbing, they're getting COVID, they're
spreading it around. It's fine. So Winterhouse is a conglomeration
of these two universes. It's like Avengers. I couldn't be
more excited because I love Summer House. I have stood
(40:44):
by Summer House. Paul Sheer once went on the podcast
Bitch Sesh to make the case for Summer House because
they don't watch Summer House, and he was like, guys,
this is like basically the real world. It's like people
are having sex on camera. They have the cameras in
the bedrooms that show people getting under the covers together,
Like it's kind of an old school style reality show
and it's just people hooking up, sexual tension, and it
(41:06):
is that, and I love that, and I'm a stand
for page to Sorboh. I love Sierra Miller, who's a
recent ad to the Gorgeous Oh my God. She's one
of the most beautiful people I've seen on reality TV
in a while. I was like, she could have been
on America's Next top model. She's also a nurse by
the way, so there we go. You know how I
feel about nurses people. So I was really excited for
(41:27):
this because it's it's it's basically my favorite reality show
with Christmas on top Christmas vibes because it's in winter
in Vermont with snow. So I was like, yeah, you
can sign me right up, um and they. I was
excited for Carolina because it's the first season, Like she
can get in on the ground floor. This is what
I'm saying. I've been trying to get Carolina to watch
Salt Lake City too, because it's like, you can get
(41:48):
in from the beginning. You have an opportunity here. That's you.
You have given me that prompt many times. What I
liked about Winter House was that people came in who
are in relationships that do not look healthy. And I
think I can speak to anyone whether or not you
watch reality TV When I say I like a chaotic couple.
(42:10):
I like being in the presence of a couple that
maybe shouldn't be together, but I get to watch their
dynamics with my little opera glasses that I would bring
to the opera swing those up. Watch you guys, talk.
Watch the passive aggressive jabs. Watch someone exhibit behavior. Watch
and I'm talking, of course about Amanda. And yeah, yeah,
(42:33):
so that is. It's a totally normal couple, except that
guy looks very well groomed. Yes he's he's a little
too well groomed. A lot of these guys are too
well groomed. One of them came, one of them who
would have been normally hot, came and distressed Genes, the
Italian guy, I know, the other guy who used to
date Sierra oh Luke. Luke came in distressed jeans and
(42:56):
an Abercrombie jacket, and I was like, you have such
an opportunity to just be hot, and instead you've chosen
pure insanity. You've chosen the two thousands, Lucas trash. He's
a narcissist. Just so you know, Amanda and Kyle's origin
is that she was a girl that Kyle would invite
over at like two in the morning and they would
have drunken hookups. But then she landed him like she
(43:19):
like then turned it into a relationship. A rare, a
rare privilege that doesn't happen. Don't take this as a
lesson for going from the two am hook up to
full blown relationship and that obviously had it's it's flaws,
where he has cheated on her multiple times. He's clearly
an untreated alcoholic and she is clearly an alan on.
And although I love watching their videos fostering puppies together,
(43:41):
I don't have the best hopes for this marriage. He
was eating his dinner with a wooden serving spoon and
yelling drunkenly, which I obviously it was like holding up
a mirror to my past self. I I I didn't
judge him because I once was him. I really didn't.
And he did fall asleep on the bathroom floor and watching,
and I remembered so clearly the cold tile against my
(44:04):
face and the thought of this feels comfortable. Actually, I
think I'll stay here for the night. So again I'm
not judging, I'm just noticing. And I also identified with Amanda,
who is obviously in a loveless relationship and is just
casually flirting with an Italian in the house and Andrea.
Andrea the Italian boy in the house who all the
(44:24):
girls are like. And he's like, I lick at the
p and they're like, what for a man to gang?
I'm good what I'm best at is licking the p.
You have that as he said, poop you s s.
Why for someone to get away with that, you have
to be really attractive. They were all still turned on there,
like is it getting hot in here? Like this man
(44:44):
just said, like, lick the p and then poop, Like
what And but his name, guys, his name is Andrea Denver.
So if he wasn't hot, it would actually be a
crime against the universe, Like that would be physically impossible
for someone named Andrea A. Denver to not be attractive.
He is a little bit like if someone told me, no,
(45:05):
he's not Italian, he's an actor playing in Italian, I
would buy it because he's doing everything he's like for
the top. Sebastian Maniscalco meets Derek Zulander basically yes. Yes.
One of the things he did do that I was like, Wow,
this is actually a move I wish I saw more
often is the girls were hungover in bed. He brought
them coffee loved and I was like that is that
(45:25):
would really that would really work out for me? Well,
the guy showed care any kind of caretaking vibes. My
favorite thing about interested in Sierra and Paige is the
college girl sleepover energy of like, okay, we're sleeping bed together,
Like what the fuck just happened last night? Like who
is Oh my god, don't eat like real it in
(45:46):
he's so hot, Like they just have such a fun
energy and I just could watch it all day. So
I really appreciate that. Well, what I identified with them
most was of course them talking about the couple in
the house and being like they're not even handed, didn't
even they don't even look happy. Amanda didn't even try
to find him last night, but he didn't even try
to find her. At one point, Kyle gets upset because
(46:09):
he's done getting a room in the house, which, by
the way, I just I want to put a moratorium
on talking about who gets a bedroom in reality TV.
Some part of watching Bravo Carolina, the choosing rooms is
actually like one of the seventh most important tenets of Bravo,
So just get used to it. It's a really exhausting
fight anyway, So Kyle is upset, which I did. I
(46:32):
did identify with Amanda. I too am afraid of confrontation,
so I end up getting in shitty situations and they
got back. Yes, I related, So strongly to that instead
of saying, actually, me and my boyfriend are here, my fiance,
we really do need a bigger room for the two
of us. But no, wait, I disagree with the notion
that couples should just automatically get a bigger room because
(46:53):
there are a couple. I don't think so if you're
a couple, you can spend every other night you want
in a bed together. But just because you're in a
really and chip doesn't mean you should get the good room.
So I actually liked the fact that Paige was like,
I need a big closet, so I'm going to take
this room, and Siara and I are sharing a bed,
so we're basically a couple to then we're going to
get this room. I agreed with that, and I liked
that Amanda was like, no, they can have the room,
(47:14):
like it's fine, they're married. Sonia Morgan and Ramona philosophy.
I I like that, I really do, because I don't
think like, just because you're a couple, you should automatically
get a bed together have sex on your own time.
But I also thought it was so funny because it
reminded me of couples who like poke the Bear you
know couples they're not It's not just that they're not
getting along, they're starting ship and I love it. I
(47:36):
love it. I love it. I missing socializing with people.
They're saying stuff like, oh I one of them said,
I'll one of them actually had. There was one conversation
I did enjoy, which was arguing, you have to choose
one of the tooth for the rest of your life,
cheese or oral sex. Which one we choose? They all
chose cheese, right, they all chose cheese. I was like, no,
(47:58):
I would take blowjob because Austin's like trying so hard
to get laid that he was like trying to make
it seem like he cares about sex. I guess Austin
has round boy face. I think like when you're from
rich southern community, you get round boy face. He honestly,
he enrages me so much. The only time I have
(48:19):
ever thought he looks good in any ways that Sierra
is attracted to him like that gave him points to me.
I cannot stand him. I think he's so boring, lame,
has nothing going for him. His his job description is entrepreneur.
What the fund has he ever done with his life?
He's just a rich boy with nothing. Just because he's tall,
he thinks he's attractive. He's not. He's blonde. It's just no.
(48:41):
Craig has always been hot to me. I've always been
attractedly hot, and he really likes his girlfriend. If I'm
thinking of the right person. Well, I'm not going to
give spoilers, but I do know what happens with that,
so let's just stay tuned. But yeah, I love his
raspy voice. I love that he seems like he just
did coke the night before. I love that he sometimes
has an open v neck going. All of the guys
are guys we would hook up with if we were
(49:02):
still drinking, and um, there are none of them are
relationship quality. Um well, we don't know. I would say
we we haven't gotten a major window window into Jason yet.
He's he's one of the He's very attractive, he's cute.
So Jason and Andrea both chose to stay back at
the house because, in Andrea's words, if the beautiful women
(49:24):
are staying at the house, why would I go elsewhere,
which I kind of like appreciated. Um, I think Jason
has potential to be cool. No one else really is
relationship material. Julia was the blonde girl who came last,
and she's like that typical real world character who's like,
I'm in a relationship back home and like it's like
really gonna work. And I have a sense that she's
(49:47):
that it's not gonna stick around. Listen. When we started
watching the show, I was like, I'm watching thirty year
olds play flip cup, Like, come on, I don't need
this right now in my life, Like I just I
I can't handle more stupid people in my purview. But
then I kept watching and I thought, oh, I do
(50:09):
like chaotic relationships and some people relationships, and I do
like watching people slowly figure out that they shouldn't be together.
And Amanda and Kyle are my focus right now because,
as you said, they're always an alcoholic. I think she's
losing hair from the stress. There's no attraction between them.
It's very much looking like. She seems like someone who
(50:32):
really likes being engaged. But she's literally saying when they're
talking about Andrea, the Italian guy, um liking blonde. She's
like my kind of blonde, blond, my blonde. She's so
beautiful too. No, I wish you could have seen also
like when when they got engaged. I think it was
on an episode of Summerhouse. They got engaged and she
was crying so intensely that I was like, wait, are
(50:52):
you like crying because you want to get out of this?
Like she was like, I was like wait are you?
Is everything okay? But in the previews for the rest
of the season, as always, there's like some sort of
suspicion that he might have cheated on her. It happens
every season. One season he actually was like, yeah, this
is just like a thing in my family, like everyone cheats.
(51:13):
I was like, what the Oh my god. Also, just
wait because Lindsey Hubbard, a character from Summerhouse, still hasn't
even gotten to the house yet. She always causes drama
because she's always like secretly hooking up with people, and
she is the type of girl who is friends with
the guys, you know what I mean, and red flag.
(51:35):
She's a red flag and she's like best friend quote
best friends with Kyle and best friends with Luke, but
it's really are you best friends or are you trying
to hook up with them? And she has like a
very intense she's like a publicist and like, to me,
she appears in her forties, so I mean, I'm not
I don't know. It's just like, is this really still
what you do with your weekends at this age? But
so she just has like publicist energy, like Smoker's voice, energy,
(51:57):
like love you will you will love to see that.
I'm very excited. I don't get to see a lot
of chaos in my life anymore. It's pretty much work,
a few close friendships and watching TV, and so it
is nice to bring the bar life to me, if
that makes sense. Yes, it is definitely bringing the college, sloppy,
(52:20):
chaotic life to you. I also wanted to note, which
I'm just noticing. In this reality t article, News news
publication reality t dot Com points out that Andrea Denver
is not only a fashion model, but has also been
featured in the Taylor Swift video for blank Space and
the Jennifer Lopez video for I Love You Poppy. So
(52:43):
we are working with the celebrity, and I do think
that's what we deserve. I think I think Summer house
deserves the celebrity. They're talking, they're they're adding celebrities to
the housewives franchises. They've got Garcelle on Beverly Hills. There's
rumors they're gonna add potentially in the remedy. So I
think it's time Summer House gets someone of fame and status.
(53:06):
And if you have been featured in a Taylor Swift
and Jennifer Lopez video, you are um akin to Grace Kelly.
To me, I am praying that Leah goes on real
hospice of Beverly Hills. I mean, we we deserve it,
we we need it. She would be a straight shooter,
she would I would love to stay on top. I
(53:28):
think I am going to enter this new universe of
Winter House, and I think I am going to start
Salt Lake City, you know, like I have room in
my life for this. Right now, I think, well, you know,
my my greatest request to you is to start Potomac
from season one. But I understand, I understand you have reticence. Um,
it is overwhelming, it's a lot of seasons, but it
(53:50):
is really worth it in my opinion. And with that, Devin,
I love you, Love you, Carol listeners, enjoy your hall, Queen.
If you were going to be sitting, Nancy and Cravis
already ruined it for you. I'm sorry, but I regret
we hope you enjoy your your hollow weekend anyway. I
(54:17):
want true, true, true suit sorrowmantic lovely baby, don't leave
me hanging. I want true
Hello, and welcome to True Romance. This is Carolina Barlow.
This is Devin Leary, and this what I'm using right
now is my real voice, unlike Carolina, who uses her
fake posts voice. I don't know why we're starting off
with you antagonizing me. I don't know why that that
is your choice right now. That's just how I'm feeling. Why,
(00:35):
That's how I'm feeling. She's feeling spicy today, folks, She's coming.
Is my real voice? Okay, Yes, it's hard to be
always this is your real voice. But your intro is
always like hello, Okay, well I thought that was my brand.
It's always like who is it? Hello? Hello? Like mrs
(00:56):
do what I'm supposed to do? Change? After seventy episodes
of our show, I think you you want me to change?
I think no, I don't want you to change. I
want you to be who you are. But what about
when you said never change? I wrote that in your
yearbook as just a fleeting thing. I didn't mean like forever.
Since we're thirteen years old, you have to never change.
(01:17):
I just meant like, well, I am never going to change.
I stayed a virgin for life. Isn't that kind of
messed up as you think about the fact that Gordo
wrote in Lizzie McGuire's your book, have a great summer,
don't ever change. She was in middle school. In what
world does she not ever change? Like I hope she changes.
I hope she learns to drive. I hope she moves
out of her parents house when she's old enough. Like
(01:38):
that was she never grew another inch, and neither did Gordon.
I mean, that's true, but that's because so Hillary Duff
did an architectural digest tora of her house. You know
those little videos they do, and some of them are wild,
like if you watch Live Tyler's she is bananas and
she answers her phone at one point it's like, hello,
(02:00):
just kidding, Oh, I love that's great energy, very very
interesting and like a drink out of love and am energy.
And Hillary Duff actually seems like a very nice person.
But I'm gonna say, be careful because I am a fan.
But go on. But she does walk past her fireplace
and there's a bunch of firewood stack next to it,
(02:20):
and she's like, and I loved the exposed firewood. Here
come on as if oh, we're so perfect that we
wouldn't accidentally say exposed firewood instead of exposed brick. I
don't think so. It's exposed fire when we're talking about logs,
we we're talking about actually fire nervous. She's welcoming cameras
into her home. Okay, well, I guess we should leave
(02:43):
Ram in case she wants to be a guest on
the podcast. That's my real voice. But I do love
when people do the memes on Instagram of her old
choreographed dance moves like no offense. But she was a
really bad dancer when she was a pop star. Like
there's a meme that was like when someone tells Adele fans,
you can't dance too easy on me, And it was
like Hilary Duff doing her like robotic dance moves too
(03:04):
easy on me. It was a different time for dance
when it was it was Barry choreographed moves. It was
boom Cat era. Oh yeah, rain from making the band
boom Cat, boom Cat, boom Cat. That's what she was like,
boop Cat. I said, boot is this oh Town years
Town Danity Kane, Danity Kane, Aubrey O day. We have
(03:31):
to jump to something that's urgent something that is recent,
something affects our lives and thus our listeners, because I
know what happens to us directly affects you, and that
is that one of our own is betrothed, is wedded.
She is she She went out and did it for us,
knowing that we should not girls. She went out dead
(03:54):
for the girls. She got married. Okay, is it a
coincidence that she listened to True Roman and then she
got married. Yes, because she was engaged before she started
working on our show. But I like to think our
podcast made a huge impact on It's why she does
everything she does. Let's be honest. Yes, it's her north star,
(04:19):
as she's never called it. Please welcome to the pod
our producer, the woman who makes this show happen truly
to sign the music, the magic behind the music, the
magic behind the music. Olivia, Hello, Hello. I felt so
honored when you too, were like, wait, you're married. Get
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on the podcast. We are interviewing a real married person today,
for real life. Just just married last weekend, just literally
like a week ago, just married. The ring is officially on,
is permanent, The ring is real. Um. I know this
isn't a visual lam, but it's it's sparkling. It's blinding.
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It's blinding. Carolina and Devin so much speechless because what
is the word for when jealousy is mixed with love? Um,
jealous it's joy. I feel like you love right now. No,
m Olivia, your proposal story, could you give us a synopsis?
I know that you were scared of the proposal. Yeah,
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happening in the wrong place. So UM, my husband, Harry,
that's so my husband Harry. Um. He proposed to me
um in Los Angeles at a hiking area that we
go too frequently, and it was super romantic and everything.
But to your point, I was scared of the proposal
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because the week prior we were at San Diego Comic Con.
And one of the many qualities I love about Harry
is that he is a full on like Marvel NERD,
loves the comics, loves Moon Night in particular, and he
was just acting so strange during that time and just
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and this was my first comic con, and I was
so paranoid that he was going to get down on
one knee at the convention center around so many people
dressed up in cosplay Spider Man. It was either like
they're at the comic Con or he like orchestrated or
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like thinking like, oh my gosh, like a flash mob. Please, no,
I don't want to see. I think it's a Spider
Man flash mob. I think we can stand. We can
make a stand as a podcast right now that we
are anti flash mob in general. Okay, so you're nervous
about comic Con. Then Harry's acting weird. Yeah, he was
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acting kind of strange. Mind you, his job is like
deadline driven and all that. So I was thinking like, okay,
maybe it's something at work and all the at and
I just like felt his energy shift a little. But
also too, we we've been on the same page about
um getting married and all that, so we did like
the ring shopping, just checking out different like styles on
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my hands. So um keithing be on the same page.
So yes, that is important. So but then I noticed
he was more stressed than usual. So and then once
he proposed to me when we were hiking, I was like, okay,
this explains everything. And he like sang one of our
favorite songs um during the proposal, and it actually ended
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up being our first dance too. It's um Electric Love
by Burns, and so yeah, it was it was so
sweet and like I could tell like he was so
nervous and it was just like such a fun, genuine
proposal where it's like it was so intimate between us. Um,
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I'm sure he's fine with us his I wanted to
be involved at the proposal, but Harry just put his
foot downs, like, no, this is Olivia's this is I
love that mom energy. My mom would do the same thing,
like like she was again, I love her so much,
She's my mother in law. And I guess she was
like talking to him being like okay, so I'm going
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to hide in the bushes and god, so how did
you and Harry met? We met at a bar, Like
I know this sounds strange, but like old fashion style
because now a lot of people meet online and all
this and other ways. But we met at a bar.
I was out for a friend's birthday party and he
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was out with his ballets, the brow Skies, the browski Is,
the brow Skies got together and they said, come on,
let's do it up, talking smack and slapping asses. I'm sure, yes,
so much. And we were at the same bar and um,
and this was just I'm just thinking of this now
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because it was so fresh during our family and friends
speeches of um like how we met and everything. And
one of the memories of when I met Harry there
he like came up to me all smooth, like just
like Hi, I'm Harry, and he's like, you're the most
beautiful girl in this bar. And then I responded that
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because I'm I can get fancy and I and I responded,
only this bar love wow, wow wow. I will say
the spiciness was definitely fueled by like al gash Whites. Sure, no,
I'm just impressed that you thought that quickly on your feet.
If someone said that to me, I'd be like, I
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was just thinking. Like I when I was dating in
New York, like I always wanted to go out because
I always was like I'm gonna meet to what I
actually had the energy of, like Ramona Singer in the
seasons of Real Housewives after mar where I was like,
all right, where are we going? How many single guys
are gonna be there? Like I'm not going to be
there unless you're single men like that's but then every
time I got there, I would freeze up. And even
if like like one time a guy did come up
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to me and say like hey, like, do you want
to dance? And I was like what No, And then
like the whole rest of the weekend, I was completed.
It was a bachelor at weekend. I was like complaining.
I was like, no, one like hits on me. And
someone kept being like, but what about that guy who
asked you to dance? You acted like he was like
a murderer, And I was like, oh, yeah, that's true.
I just have no idea how to interact with humans.
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I guess it's like a fine line. I honestly thinking
that just from like the scenario you presented, I would
be very like now. But it was darring. Okay, it
was daring. But I'm just saying I'm not smooth and
you are, and I respect that. And I guess maybe
we all could be married now if we were a
little more quick on our feet. That's our message out.
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It's your fault if you're not married right now. What
was your first impression of Harry? My first impression of him,
I just thought he was the funny, the funniest person.
Just like meeting him. He's very quick and witty and
so like I would say, within the first like um
like week of meeting him, he was just making me
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laugh all the time, just with like silly stuff and
just him being able to be himself right away like sometimes.
And I definitely went through this with dating. It's like
you want to set like a good first impression, you're
just not you're, at least for me, I'm not myself. Yeah,
I definitely like with past dating, I would never present
like my true self until like months later, and he
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just presented himself just so authentic and it just made
me feel more comfortable being like, oh, if like that's happening,
then I can just be myself and that's a okay.
And that's what really attracted me was just like his
personality and then just he's such a like kind and
lovable person, like he thinks of others first before him,
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and like he's just like such a helpful guy. And um, yeah,
I'm just so attracted when someone can be just so
sweet to others and also be like sweet to themselves too.
So yeah, that's what got me with it. I love
that it reminds me of this. Um I'm listening to
Burnet Brown's The Power of Vulnerability. It's pretty good. But
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one thing she says that I've been thinking about a
lot is that when she shows up in situations, her
motto is don't shrink, don't puff up, Like I like that.
It's don't belittle yourself and don't because of any insecurity
like brag or try to be someone you're not, And
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how do we show up exactly as we are? Which
I think is something I've definitely struggled with when I
want an outcome, like I want someone to think of
me a certain way. But she was saying like, if
you show up as yourself and that person doesn't like it,
or that group of friends doesn't like it, or that
job interview doesn't go well, at least you you showed
up as yourself. You don't feel like shame afterwards. You
could feel disappointment, But I feel like I want to
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adopt that more and it it definitely is something that's
interesting if someone else is themselves. It does like relax
a room totally. Yeah. I think that is really good
advice as just being your authentic self. And I definitely
had that, Like in my vows writing to him was
like I've never met like someone so authentic and so
true so and that's what definitely really attracted me to
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him and um, yeah, it's it's just such a beautiful
I feel so positive. I mind you listeners out there,
I am on such a wedding high right now. But
we can address like there are you know, the ebbs
and flows of every time I was going to say,
what's what was like the most stressful part of planning
the wedding? Honestly, Like myself and Harry were like producers,
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so we were really pretty on top of pretty on
top of stuff. So we and I think the beautiful
thing of a wedding is like we both had our
personalities in it. Sometimes when you see a wedding, you're like, oh,
definitely one person was super involved in this and like that.
But we both showed our personalities and honestly, I think
like the most challenging part, and this is so funny
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to think, I think it was food that was challenging
because you had to like adjust everyone's dietary like all this,
and it's so funny. One thing about Harry he doesn't
like sweet potatoes. So when we were going over our menu,
and this is where I was like, whoa, this is
some groom zilla stuff. But I'm loving it. Like when
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they were talking about um because we had like, uh,
mixed vegetables, and they were like, it's going to be
seasonal in all this, and since your weddings in the fall,
like we recommend like sweet potatoes, And in our email chain,
Harry responds back, no sweep tato. If I see a
fucking sweet potato on anyone's plate, I'm gonna go ballistic.
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I don't even know what I'm gonna do. When you
bring up sweet potatoes, my first response was like, oh,
at least that's like an uncommon thing. But then when
you said fall seasonal, it is the moment. It's like
butternut squash, sweet potatoes. You better like one or the other. Yeah, exactly.
And so when when Harry made that like like put
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its foot down, it's like, no sweet potato, I'm like, yeah,
that's potato. It is. You got it. I do have
to say that. And people can look at your Instagram
after this to see. But you looked so beautiful. The
cut of your dress was stunning. I loved how you
did your hair, and I have some logistical questions. Yes, yes,
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what song did you walk down the aisle too? So
we had Mariachi band at our web amazing and it
was a Spanish and English version of Can't Take My
Eyes off of You, Oh My God. That so I
think the lyrics were in Spanish and then the chorus
was an English, just like a hybrid mix of them.
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And it was they were so awesome. Shout out to
um Mariachi's arto eras, like they were so amazing and
there and lgbt Q mariachi band in Los Angeles, so
it was just great resource. Yes, yeah, it's just like
it's like they were just so phenomenal and then just
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walking down the aisle of that I just felt so
it was beautiful and like relaxing too, because like i mean,
depending on what song you want to walk down to,
it can be like super dramatic and all that. But
it's like this was like a joyous occasion. I'm like,
let's have a mariachi band and play the music and everything.
I'm glad you bring that up because Carolina has told
me that whenever she gets married, she plans to walk
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down the aisle to Shallow by Lady Gaga. And I've
told her so many times. I'm like, this is a
little dramatic, like I think people are going to be jarred,
but she says, no, I cannot walk down the aisle
to any other song. No, I said I would. I
said I would sing shallow walking down the aisle, light
right right, right, way, were right, And I said, I'm
ready for this. I'm prepared vocally. I've never been stronger.
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You know what's so funny is that me and an
ex um once talked about getting married, and I said that, like,
if we get married, I want to walk down the
aisle with a mike on my face, like how Brittany
used to saying, with like a mike on my face,
and then I want to stop in mid aisle turn
like I'm going to run away, and then I want
you with the groom up there, to start singing like no,
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don't go, and then me to turn back. I was
totally serious about this. I would have done this at first, sure,
and I'm like, what mean, don't talk to me like that?
And had a back and forth singing until we got married. Um,
which brings me my next question, which is you guys
brot your own vows and what was that like reading
your vows to each other and were you surprised at
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certain points in the wedding when you got emotional or
what suddenly turned you emotional, because I feel like I've
seen women walk down the aisle and I could tell
the like all of a sudden they were crying, just
because it's such a shock that this is happening, this
life moment. It definitely was like emotional. I think at
the end towards like walking to I guess the altar area,
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like just walking up and I'm like, oh my goodness,
we're here and this is the moment, and I just
remember getting emotional, not so much like terry eyed, but
being like, Wow, this is going to be a moment
that we remember for the rest of our lives. And
it was just also neat when you're like up there
and you like look into the crowd and it's like
your whole life's in front of you, like family, friends,
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like you're like teachers, You're like, it's just like amazing.
You just see your whole both of your lives. You
see both of your lives in front of you. And
I think that was a very emotional because I feel
strongly where like the people you invite or include wedding
like they've contributed to you in your life in so
many ways. And definitely when we got to our vows.
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That's where the water works happened. I like was like, Okay,
I'm gonna like have like be composed and I'm going
to read this to him. And then as soon as
I said his name and our nickname to each other,
I just started balling. Just look here we go, and
um the vows were so personal and so sweet. Um
mine was like a little bit of a mix of
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like sincere vows but also a roast to him that
I like that. I like that mix. The crazy thing
is to where our vows so we like give each
other nicknames and then our friends like call each other names.
And I started my vows that way and coincidentally, like
Harry's vows started out that way. And like we had
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guests coming up being like did you guys like talk
beforehand and all this more like no, literally, like we
wrote our vows like in separate, like like I was
at a hotel, he was at our apartment. Like it
was like not planning at all, but it was just
so sincere and so genuine and like I yeah, we
just had guests like come up to us being like
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those were our favor fort vows like ever, and that's
like a huge thing because I was like, like, I
think the focus too, was like we wanted to write
her own, but we also are like like we're not
gonna like lean On and I'm sorry I remember you
too mentioning that you guys are a religious podcast. Yes, why, yes, um,
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but just like oh you think it's naturally Devon has
a life size cross behind her in her room. Okay,
you know what, let's just let's just skip this. It's
please don't be put off by Jesus's naked body behind me,
because that was the form he was crucified in, and
I am paying homage to how he passed for us,
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for our sins. Every time I have to pray eighteen
times to his naked body behind me, and I have
to practically not being aroused, Please disregard the life size
Nativity scene behind me and why I'm swaddled like baby
Jesus himself. I just feel at home where Jesus felt
that in the Manger in the Major in the Major
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Love the name of our podcast, the new name of
our podcast in the main Major with Carolina Borrow. You know,
it is a little bit like narcissistic to assume that
out of all the places in the Nativity scene, you
will get the manger, but I'm confused why. Okay, okay,
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so you guys didn't lean too much into religion in
the ceremony. Yeah, we didn't lean too much into it.
We just wanted to really focus on like the ideas
of like love and friendship and commitments. So it was
just that was like kind of the themes and even
like for like reading portion, we my friend, my one
of my good friends from growing up, read a poem
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by Maya Angelou called Touched by an Angel and it's
just really emphasizing like the power of like love and
how much it sets you free. And I felt like
that was just like such an important point where it's
like I want like all our friends and family to
know this, Like how like once you let love enter you,
whether it's like you know, like whether it's in partnership
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or even loving yourself, like that's where you become the
most free. And just that reading like really spoke to us.
And yeah, and not like heavily picking up on a
reading on some you know, biblical thing. So we're just
like we wanted we wanted something that was genuine in
that and something to share and really encourage our guests
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to leave with and all that. And I love that
you mentioned food because I've been at waspy weddings where
they truly don't know how to feed people. Where I've
stalked waiters who are holding appetizers because I'm that hungry
that I'm like, get over here, get over here. He
just left the kitchen. Go get a slider. Go get
a slider. So what would you call one of your
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wedding hacks? Well, what did you do that you thought, Oh,
that was a really good idea. Thank god we did that. Um,
a good wedding hack. Okay, I know weddings can be costly,
so it's like what you want to put into the
wedding is like what you think will like leave an
impact or an impression on people and all that, and
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like share with food, like you want to make sure
you're feeding everyone and all that. But I think one
of the best things, and this was a last minute
and on was our grand exit because um, I was
like at first, Harry and I were like, Okay, we
don't need a grand exit, Like it's fine. And also
our venue had a lot of um rules that we
like couldn't bring certain things and all that. So it's like, okay,
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we'll just like walk to our after party. Who cares.
And last minute we decided our neighborhood in l a
UM has a big um low rider community. And for
our listeners out there, low riders are just like beautiful
majestic cars. Usually Chevy is like the predominant like maker,
and it's a huge thing in like a lot of
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the Latino communities of just having like really nice cars
and sometimes you add like a thing called hydraulics to
it where you can make it go up and down.
If anyone watched exhibits show there, we all understand what
we're talking. Yeah, And so in the neighborhood we're in,
low riders are really popular. And also like there's been
parades and all that. So when Harry and I were talking,
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I'm like, I know we weren't thinking of grand exit,
but let's think about this low rider thing. And also
to like myself being um Mexican American, I'm like, yes,
this is a neat way to pay homage to the
local community and all this and um, and so I
got on Facebook. I know Facebook is under fire right now,
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as always forever on fire, um the UM. I reached
down to the Los Angeles low Rider community group and
literally just gave details, um offered to pay, like what
we were looking for, and then someone reached out to
us and that was our grand exit was leaving out
in a low rider in front of our venue and
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it was so sweet and the driver was so amazing
and he just drove us up and down the streets
of like where we live nearby, and like everyone, like
the locals were just like going nuts, like this is
amazing and all this. So I would say, okay, so
backtracking a little, like, definitely put in money where you
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think you are going to love it in the end,
and then um also to like if it's worth it.
I think like some people feel pressured when they see
like bridal magazines or like even social media to be
like okay, I must have this, or like I don't
even have a wedding and it's like you don't need to.
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I think the most fun weddings are when you just
really put the event and you show both of your
personalities in it. And I think that's where you find
it fun and at can be whether you decide to
spend a little more in this area or like not
spend money. Like even for us, like we didn't do
a champagne toast because we're like we have hottails. I'm like,
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in my mind, I think it's a waste of money. Also,
you have so much champagne left over, it's and we're
just like, well, we're not really like champagne people either.
So I think it's just like stay true to yourselves.
You're the the Even through the planning process you kind
of get annoyed where you're like, man, I have to
be concerned about this guest and that guest, But like
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in the end, it truly is about you too, celebrating
your love. So it's like make your party be focused
around you. Sure, you'll have some headaches that you have
to deal logistically of like pleasing people and all this,
but in the end, like have it be about you.
That's like the most important thing, whether you spend in
this area or not spend in certain areas. Yeah, I
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love that. I I it's so funny. I was talking
to a wedding planner recently actually, and he said the
that specific thing was he said, a champagne toasts are
a waste of money because so many people don't want
to drink champagne, and then you're just left over with
so much champagne. People will be drinking whiskey, being like
I don't want a glass of champagne right now. It's true,
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of course I drank when I did, drink like an animal,
so I would have been like, sure, why not, No,
I I don't. I do not remember ever seeing people
actually enjoying the champagne at a wedding. I have to
say I like that advice in terms of making it
about your own personalities, because I think that's something that
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that's interesting what the wedding community is that you some
people do are committed to just the bridle sort of
look rather than how they wanted to feel. Yeah, sometimes
I think like, yeah, I mean, the bridle industry is
like a billion dollar industry and it's like it's wild
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and they like people can easily persuade you to do
something that you know, like, oh, that isn't us. But
I feel like we have to do that just for
the sake of it, and it's like no, in the end,
you can say no and just be like right, the
power of no. That's given that we got a brother
who does a good ten minutes stand up bit never
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given that I have fully gotten haircuts that I hated
and cried afterwards because I was afraid to say no.
I can't imagine myself, like I can imagine ending up
with a wedding that made no sense to who I was,
an actual like religious wedding. Just if the wedding planner
was like, so that's okay, right, I'd be like, okay, okay,
I know I've literally had someone straightened my banks even
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though I have curly hair and cut across like a
bull haircut, and I have not said a single word
because I was too scared of hurting their feelings even
though I was paying them. And then I left and
immediately cried. It's also interesting, It's like it's one of
those things where I could see getting confused. If people
were like, well, this is how it's done, like this
is what well you have to have this, I would
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be like, oh, I don't know. I'm just a little girl.
I don't know, I'm a baby. I can't believe I'm
getting married. I mean, it's like you, you and your
partner have the choice to say no. And I just
to people who are planning to get married looking to
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get married, like just again, make it about yourselves and
also really use that power of no just like because
you wanted to be reflecting what both of you are.
I love that. I think that's really good advice. You
look so happy right now and that is such a
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reflection I think on who you married, how you got married,
and it's as a reminder that it's about the person,
not about the wedding. YEA, truly. Yeah. I mean in
the end, like had people right like really sweet notes
to us, and like there were a couple of people
that like, I thought this was so sweet at them
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that they're like, like we had like a like a
prompt out being like what wedding advice do you give
to a bahbah? And like people were like, we have
no advice because we see you two so in love
and so happy with each other. And I'm like, Okay,
there's something we're missing. There's gotta be something else. And
then like we got lovely advice from like people, but
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it's like, um, yeah, just I think that was the
best part is like it was just being our authentic
selves shown in our whole wedding, whether it was outfits, decorations,
all that it was just so beautiful and like the
people also, I guess another tip is be sure you
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work with vendors that you really enjoy and that they
see what vision your cuting and all that, and all
of our vendors did that and I think that helped
significantly And it was just like so sweet that like
I could see in Harry's eyes and vice versa, that
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he could see within me. It's like like we were
just so happy in that moment. And another recommendation, don't
have your phone on you. But I saw someone post
on Instagram by someone I actually mean Amanda Batula, star
of Summer House in Winterhouse on Bravo, who we will
will be talking about later in the episode. She posted
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that she recommended that people don't have their phones, but
have someone else hold your phone and take pictures for you,
because she woke up the next morning and didn't have
any photos from the night and then she wished that
she had asked someone to take candids or something. Yeah,
we um my maid of honor, shout out to Kelsey.
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She had my phone and they just created a shared
album and just like everyone just poured their photos in
there and it was Yeah, that was one way we
did it, and I just like, yeah, I literally didn't
have my phone. Um, Kelsey had it the whole time.
And it just works out and it's one less thing
to be stressed about because you're going to get a
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flood of messages from people wishing you like great luck
that day and all that. So your phone is just
going to be buzzing uncontrollably. And we're all we're all
addicted to our phones at least nine I'm not do
you mean the phone and the computer? I slept within
my bed last night, but yeah, maybe I have a problem.
I don't know. Yeah, and it's just like just handed
off to someone and um, yeah, like we did a
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shared album at the end and everyone just uploaded their photos. Olivia,
you've listened to us talk and debate relationships. What is
the relationship advice you um would give to the singles
out there? Looping myself and I'm grouping myself in. I
just say, be your authentic self, Like you are going
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to attract someone who as long as you are being
true to yourself, that's where I think that's where you'll
see the attraction. Like you never want to change for
someone and just be your true authentic self and also
just communicate like what you want, like what you are
seeking for and all that. I think that has helped
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out even late, Like when Harry and I like first met,
I was like kind of like, Okay, I'm I think
I'm going to look for something serious, but like we'll
see what happens, and then it just it just goes
from there. And I think definitely really and it's it's
taken like lots of therapy of just being um comfortable
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with who you are and not having to change who
you are. I love that and I feel like I
am only just getting to that point in my where
I'm like, oh my god, I think I can actually
just be myself now. Um, but it's for me, it's
like an exhaustion thing, like I'm too tired, don't I
just don't feel like it anymore. I don't have the energy. Um,
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but I still have to get to know the real MA.
But that's really good advice because so often I think
like we do present a facade and then it's like
eventually they're going to find out anyway, or you're going
to find out anyway who someone really is. So I
think if you can from the start feel comfortable being yourself.
That's like probably the best sign there is that it's
going to have long lasting potential. I think I spent
(34:27):
many years trying to determine when dating what kind of
person the person I was dating might like. Right now,
I'm like, are you kidding me? Like what kind of
person judges someone? Based off that? But in my early twenties,
I thought, Yeah, So I went to a lot of
bad art house movies and I did all these things
that I did not want to do because I was
(34:49):
trying to create a version of myself that was quote
unquote lovable by a specific person. And then I completely
lost touch with myself and it took me like two
years to really feel like myself again, which is wild. Yeah,
I and I definitely went through that too. Like with
first dating, was just like, oh, I'm going to like
really like this particular band and I'm going to like
(35:10):
research their disography, and then you realize, like, I don't
give a shit about them. Why did I waste so
much time? Okay, it's enough. That's what Devin's boyfriend told her.
One direction or Bust, I mean, if you can't get
behind it, one deer bust is Devon's license plate or
(35:31):
one D and bust and bust. Olivia, thank you so
much for being our producer and for just being so
dedicated and such a nice person. It's so it makes
me so happy, and I truly believe you deserve the happiness.
And and though I pitched myself as ring bearer and
flower girl, not once twice, but three times, and listen,
(35:52):
I didn't hear no, but I didn't hear yes, I
didn't hear back. Um, and so that's the only time
that I've had a communication problem with you, actually because
or an incredible producer, and um, that is just me
giving some positive feedback. Okay, I'll check my inbox. It
might have gone a junk or something, but I think
(36:13):
blocked messages. If you haven't blocked messages folder, you might
want to check there. Yeah, it seems like I get
to go through a couple of them. So I'm so
so sorry. It's okay now that I know that it
was an accident, I'm totally fine. Well, I just wanted
to say we couldn't do the show without Olivia. You
are truly the foundation upon which we stand, and I
(36:36):
trust your creative opinion over everything. I trust your opinion
on people over everything. So I know that Harry. I
would already have known that Harry was wonderful if I
didn't also get to meet him, which Carolina didn't, by
the way, but I did because that's what close we are.
So I'm so happy for you guys. And maybe I
was in the hospital I was going to say to
the listeners out there, Carolina just gave a lean stare
(37:00):
just like hearing everything. Devon was just saying, right now
meeting Harry, Wow, wow, been under the knife. Well, I
think you're actually just up to you were actually just
could have been, but we didn't reach it could have been,
but we didn't reach out to you. Okay, So Olivia,
we love you. Thank you for joining us. Olivia. What
is your Instagram so that our listeners can see your
amazing wedding photos and follow the shows that you work on? Yes? Yes,
(37:24):
um so I am at Olivia Newton Juan on Instagram
and um also to being an executive producer on Big
Money Players. Um follow Big Money Players on Instagram as well,
and um yeah just seeing all the shows that I
work on. M true romance does have a special place
(37:47):
in my heart. So thank you. Thank you, keep following,
keep listening. I love you both so much. YouTube are
so sweet. We love you. Okay, we'll be right back. Oh,
welcome back to True Romance. That was our producer, Olivia.
(38:10):
We're so happy for her. But now we get to
dive in to a show that Devon introduced me to,
and while watching it, I really realized this is a
whole reality TV universe that I have not been a
part of yet. And this is a show called Winter House.
It's on Devin's home network, Bravo, and it's about to
(38:32):
correct me if I'm wrong. Attractive people drinking in a
winter house. Yes, So the origin of this show. Let
me just put on my history glasses here and give
you a little quick, a quick lesson. So the origin
of this show, it started with Summer House, which was
a show Bravo came out with that features singles who
(38:54):
get Hampton's House, and the show was following them over
like six to eight weekends where they would go from
Manhattan to the Hampton's and they would do like little
quick inserts where it's like, this is our life in
the city. We're going to lunch, we're going to work,
and then it's like it's Thursday night, We're heading out
to the Hampton's. So it was kind of like a
slice of life if you were a Hampton's weekender. And
(39:16):
that spawned into Winter House, which also has some tie
ins from Southern Charm. I would say, which is Bravo's
most problematic series? Um has features I don't, I mean,
I can guess, but why is it problematic? Southern Charm
features multiple descendants of slave owners. It features people who
(39:40):
live on family plantations. It features people who say like
you're our kind, you know, like it's not, but they did.
They made a push none of none of the characters
on this on Winter House, which is just I believe
Craig Conover and Austin Croll are the two from Southern Charm.
(40:00):
They are not descended from slave owners as far as
I know, and they have not been like problematic characters
aside from drug use and maybe a little bit of
like growing misogyny, but maybe like COVID denying, That's what
I read about Austin Crawl. Well, so this season of
Southern Charm, as all other Bravo shows, it's the most
recent season, took place during COVID, and I mean none
(40:22):
of our more surprised. The Southern charm experience of COVID
was not one I can get behind. None of us
are surprised, Like they're out clubbing, they're getting COVID, they're
spreading it around. It's fine. So Winterhouse is a conglomeration
of these two universes. It's like Avengers. I couldn't be
more excited because I love Summer House. I have stood
(40:44):
by Summer House. Paul Sheer once went on the podcast
Bitch Sesh to make the case for Summer House because
they don't watch Summer House, and he was like, guys,
this is like basically the real world. It's like people
are having sex on camera. They have the cameras in
the bedrooms that show people getting under the covers together,
Like it's kind of an old school style reality show
and it's just people hooking up, sexual tension, and it
(41:06):
is that, and I love that, and I'm a stand
for page to Sorboh. I love Sierra Miller, who's a
recent ad to the Gorgeous Oh my God. She's one
of the most beautiful people I've seen on reality TV
in a while. I was like, she could have been
on America's Next top model. She's also a nurse by
the way, so there we go. You know how I
feel about nurses people. So I was really excited for
(41:27):
this because it's it's it's basically my favorite reality show
with Christmas on top Christmas vibes because it's in winter
in Vermont with snow. So I was like, yeah, you
can sign me right up, um and they. I was
excited for Carolina because it's the first season, Like she
can get in on the ground floor. This is what
I'm saying. I've been trying to get Carolina to watch
Salt Lake City too, because it's like, you can get
(41:48):
in from the beginning. You have an opportunity here. That's you.
You have given me that prompt many times. What I
liked about Winter House was that people came in who
are in relationships that do not look healthy. And I
think I can speak to anyone whether or not you
watch reality TV When I say I like a chaotic couple.
(42:10):
I like being in the presence of a couple that
maybe shouldn't be together, but I get to watch their
dynamics with my little opera glasses that I would bring
to the opera swing those up. Watch you guys, talk.
Watch the passive aggressive jabs. Watch someone exhibit behavior. Watch
and I'm talking, of course about Amanda. And yeah, yeah,
(42:33):
so that is. It's a totally normal couple, except that
guy looks very well groomed. Yes he's he's a little
too well groomed. A lot of these guys are too
well groomed. One of them came, one of them who
would have been normally hot, came and distressed Genes, the
Italian guy, I know, the other guy who used to
date Sierra oh Luke. Luke came in distressed jeans and
(42:56):
an Abercrombie jacket, and I was like, you have such
an opportunity to just be hot, and instead you've chosen
pure insanity. You've chosen the two thousands, Lucas trash. He's
a narcissist. Just so you know, Amanda and Kyle's origin
is that she was a girl that Kyle would invite
over at like two in the morning and they would
have drunken hookups. But then she landed him like she
(43:19):
like then turned it into a relationship. A rare, a
rare privilege that doesn't happen. Don't take this as a
lesson for going from the two am hook up to
full blown relationship and that obviously had it's it's flaws,
where he has cheated on her multiple times. He's clearly
an untreated alcoholic and she is clearly an alan on.
And although I love watching their videos fostering puppies together,
(43:41):
I don't have the best hopes for this marriage. He
was eating his dinner with a wooden serving spoon and
yelling drunkenly, which I obviously it was like holding up
a mirror to my past self. I I I didn't
judge him because I once was him. I really didn't.
And he did fall asleep on the bathroom floor and watching,
and I remembered so clearly the cold tile against my
(44:04):
face and the thought of this feels comfortable. Actually, I
think I'll stay here for the night. So again I'm
not judging, I'm just noticing. And I also identified with Amanda,
who is obviously in a loveless relationship and is just
casually flirting with an Italian in the house and Andrea.
Andrea the Italian boy in the house who all the
(44:24):
girls are like. And he's like, I lick at the
p and they're like, what for a man to gang?
I'm good what I'm best at is licking the p.
You have that as he said, poop you s s.
Why for someone to get away with that, you have
to be really attractive. They were all still turned on there,
like is it getting hot in here? Like this man
(44:44):
just said, like, lick the p and then poop, Like
what And but his name, guys, his name is Andrea Denver.
So if he wasn't hot, it would actually be a
crime against the universe, Like that would be physically impossible
for someone named Andrea A. Denver to not be attractive.
He is a little bit like if someone told me, no,
(45:05):
he's not Italian, he's an actor playing in Italian, I
would buy it because he's doing everything he's like for
the top. Sebastian Maniscalco meets Derek Zulander basically yes. Yes.
One of the things he did do that I was like, Wow,
this is actually a move I wish I saw more
often is the girls were hungover in bed. He brought
them coffee loved and I was like that is that
(45:25):
would really that would really work out for me? Well,
the guy showed care any kind of caretaking vibes. My
favorite thing about interested in Sierra and Paige is the
college girl sleepover energy of like, okay, we're sleeping bed together,
Like what the fuck just happened last night? Like who
is Oh my god, don't eat like real it in
(45:46):
he's so hot, Like they just have such a fun
energy and I just could watch it all day. So
I really appreciate that. Well, what I identified with them
most was of course them talking about the couple in
the house and being like they're not even handed, didn't
even they don't even look happy. Amanda didn't even try
to find him last night, but he didn't even try
to find her. At one point, Kyle gets upset because
(46:09):
he's done getting a room in the house, which, by
the way, I just I want to put a moratorium
on talking about who gets a bedroom in reality TV.
Some part of watching Bravo Carolina, the choosing rooms is
actually like one of the seventh most important tenets of Bravo,
So just get used to it. It's a really exhausting
fight anyway, So Kyle is upset, which I did. I
(46:32):
did identify with Amanda. I too am afraid of confrontation,
so I end up getting in shitty situations and they
got back. Yes, I related, So strongly to that instead
of saying, actually, me and my boyfriend are here, my fiance,
we really do need a bigger room for the two
of us. But no, wait, I disagree with the notion
that couples should just automatically get a bigger room because
(46:53):
there are a couple. I don't think so if you're
a couple, you can spend every other night you want
in a bed together. But just because you're in a
really and chip doesn't mean you should get the good room.
So I actually liked the fact that Paige was like,
I need a big closet, so I'm going to take
this room, and Siara and I are sharing a bed,
so we're basically a couple to then we're going to
get this room. I agreed with that, and I liked
that Amanda was like, no, they can have the room,
(47:14):
like it's fine, they're married. Sonia Morgan and Ramona philosophy.
I I like that, I really do, because I don't
think like, just because you're a couple, you should automatically
get a bed together have sex on your own time.
But I also thought it was so funny because it
reminded me of couples who like poke the Bear you
know couples they're not It's not just that they're not
getting along, they're starting ship and I love it. I
(47:36):
love it. I love it. I missing socializing with people.
They're saying stuff like, oh I one of them said,
I'll one of them actually had. There was one conversation
I did enjoy, which was arguing, you have to choose
one of the tooth for the rest of your life,
cheese or oral sex. Which one we choose? They all
chose cheese, right, they all chose cheese. I was like, no,
(47:58):
I would take blowjob because Austin's like trying so hard
to get laid that he was like trying to make
it seem like he cares about sex. I guess Austin
has round boy face. I think like when you're from
rich southern community, you get round boy face. He honestly,
he enrages me so much. The only time I have
(48:19):
ever thought he looks good in any ways that Sierra
is attracted to him like that gave him points to me.
I cannot stand him. I think he's so boring, lame,
has nothing going for him. His his job description is entrepreneur.
What the fund has he ever done with his life?
He's just a rich boy with nothing. Just because he's tall,
he thinks he's attractive. He's not. He's blonde. It's just no.
(48:41):
Craig has always been hot to me. I've always been
attractedly hot, and he really likes his girlfriend. If I'm
thinking of the right person. Well, I'm not going to
give spoilers, but I do know what happens with that,
so let's just stay tuned. But yeah, I love his
raspy voice. I love that he seems like he just
did coke the night before. I love that he sometimes
has an open v neck going. All of the guys
are guys we would hook up with if we were
(49:02):
still drinking, and um, there are none of them are
relationship quality. Um well, we don't know. I would say
we we haven't gotten a major window window into Jason yet.
He's he's one of the He's very attractive, he's cute.
So Jason and Andrea both chose to stay back at
the house because, in Andrea's words, if the beautiful women
(49:24):
are staying at the house, why would I go elsewhere,
which I kind of like appreciated. Um, I think Jason
has potential to be cool. No one else really is
relationship material. Julia was the blonde girl who came last,
and she's like that typical real world character who's like,
I'm in a relationship back home and like it's like
really gonna work. And I have a sense that she's
(49:47):
that it's not gonna stick around. Listen. When we started
watching the show, I was like, I'm watching thirty year
olds play flip cup, Like, come on, I don't need
this right now in my life, Like I just I
I can't handle more stupid people in my purview. But
then I kept watching and I thought, oh, I do
(50:09):
like chaotic relationships and some people relationships, and I do
like watching people slowly figure out that they shouldn't be together.
And Amanda and Kyle are my focus right now because,
as you said, they're always an alcoholic. I think she's
losing hair from the stress. There's no attraction between them.
It's very much looking like. She seems like someone who
(50:32):
really likes being engaged. But she's literally saying when they're
talking about Andrea, the Italian guy, um liking blonde. She's
like my kind of blonde, blond, my blonde. She's so
beautiful too. No, I wish you could have seen also
like when when they got engaged. I think it was
on an episode of Summerhouse. They got engaged and she
was crying so intensely that I was like, wait, are
(50:52):
you like crying because you want to get out of this?
Like she was like, I was like wait are you?
Is everything okay? But in the previews for the rest
of the season, as always, there's like some sort of
suspicion that he might have cheated on her. It happens
every season. One season he actually was like, yeah, this
is just like a thing in my family, like everyone cheats.
(51:13):
I was like, what the Oh my god. Also, just
wait because Lindsey Hubbard, a character from Summerhouse, still hasn't
even gotten to the house yet. She always causes drama
because she's always like secretly hooking up with people, and
she is the type of girl who is friends with
the guys, you know what I mean, and red flag.
(51:35):
She's a red flag and she's like best friend quote
best friends with Kyle and best friends with Luke, but
it's really are you best friends or are you trying
to hook up with them? And she has like a
very intense she's like a publicist and like, to me,
she appears in her forties, so I mean, I'm not
I don't know. It's just like, is this really still
what you do with your weekends at this age? But
so she just has like publicist energy, like Smoker's voice, energy,
(51:57):
like love you will you will love to see that.
I'm very excited. I don't get to see a lot
of chaos in my life anymore. It's pretty much work,
a few close friendships and watching TV, and so it
is nice to bring the bar life to me, if
that makes sense. Yes, it is definitely bringing the college, sloppy,
(52:20):
chaotic life to you. I also wanted to note, which
I'm just noticing. In this reality t article, News news
publication reality t dot Com points out that Andrea Denver
is not only a fashion model, but has also been
featured in the Taylor Swift video for blank Space and
the Jennifer Lopez video for I Love You Poppy. So
(52:43):
we are working with the celebrity, and I do think
that's what we deserve. I think I think Summer house
deserves the celebrity. They're talking, they're they're adding celebrities to
the housewives franchises. They've got Garcelle on Beverly Hills. There's
rumors they're gonna add potentially in the remedy. So I
think it's time Summer House gets someone of fame and status.
(53:06):
And if you have been featured in a Taylor Swift
and Jennifer Lopez video, you are um akin to Grace Kelly.
To me, I am praying that Leah goes on real
hospice of Beverly Hills. I mean, we we deserve it,
we we need it. She would be a straight shooter,
she would I would love to stay on top. I
(53:28):
think I am going to enter this new universe of
Winter House, and I think I am going to start
Salt Lake City, you know, like I have room in
my life for this. Right now, I think, well, you know,
my my greatest request to you is to start Potomac
from season one. But I understand, I understand you have reticence. Um,
it is overwhelming, it's a lot of seasons, but it
(53:50):
is really worth it in my opinion. And with that, Devin,
I love you, Love you, Carol listeners, enjoy your hall, Queen.
If you were going to be sitting, Nancy and Cravis
already ruined it for you. I'm sorry, but I regret
we hope you enjoy your your hollow weekend anyway. I
(54:17):
want true, true, true suit sorrowmantic lovely baby, don't leave
me hanging. I want true
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