October 25, 2025 • 36 mins
It’s time to get the boys side of things. Our favorite Frat Guys are now in charge and sharing the good, the bad, the dirt, and the TRUTH ABOUT SORORITIES.
Beloved Bachelors Ben Higgins and Bob Guiney, both Fraternity members, share their inside knowledge and what the guys think about sorority girls. They are joined by a panel of men telling ALL about sororities and sorority life.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with
your hosts me Gia Judice, Davey Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome to another episode of Dirty Rush. The boys are
taking over today. We're your hosts. I'm Ben Higgins.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
And I'm Bob Giddy.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We're giving you the male take on sororities and trying
not to get ourselves in too much trouble. Honestly, we
will not just part of life. We're going to take
a few callers from you listeners out there on your
opinions on sororities from a male perspective. So let's just
dive in. Bob, we're obviously hosting this today. You and
(00:48):
I both have a background in Greek life. Well, for me,
I'll explain that mine wasn't a long or very deep
background in Greek life. However I have, I've been around
my fair share of sororities, and I have been to college,
and so I know what we're talking about today. But Bob,
I think you're out of the two of us, the
(01:10):
expert in Greek life. Give us your background, your resume,
and why you know you were hired on to be
the co host today.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yes, well, thank you for having me here today, Benjamin,
and for inviting me to be a part of this
illustrious show and this panel of guests that will be
coming along today.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah. So I was I went to Michigan State University.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I was on a football team at Michigan State, and
I will tell you that I had a bunch of
buddies that were in a fraternity, the Ato House at
Michigan State. And the Atos were a pretty pretty cool
group of dudes, a lot of athletes, a lot of
cool party guys, a lot of face guys, as they
said at the time.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And I decided that that sounded like fun.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Another guy in the football team, who was one of
our middle linebackers, was on the was in this fraternity,
and he's like, trust me, I got you.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You have a great experience, will have fun. And I did.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I rushed the house and as a result of that,
I brought in or brought around several of my buddies
who you know, we went there together. Some of us
went there together, and then some of us came in later.
But I'm from an area in the Detroit area called
the Downriver area, and we formed the Downriver six Pack,
(02:29):
which was six of us from the same area in
the same fraternity, and I think of us, four of
us went through Rush together, maybe three of us, and
then the others came through after.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But it was it was pretty cool, man.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
We had a really great time, and it made a
very large university, Michigan State University for me as a
result of going, you know, going there and being on
the football team that made it a whole lot smaller,
and then being a part of the fraternity system there
made it even smaller. So I never felt like Michigan
State was an enormous place. In fact, I felt like
it was that much bigger than my hometown because I
(03:02):
felt like I literally knew everybody.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, one thing I need you to do as we
prepare for the callers that we're going to take listeners
to the Dirty Rush podcast that you're gonna be calling
in here to talk about some of the topics that
we're going to be discussing. Just between you and I
here to get us going, I want you to start
thinking about, yes, your time and the fraternity, but also
your relationship to the sororities. I don't know if you
(03:29):
had much of an interest in sororities when you were
at Michigan State.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But if you did, I had.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
A strong interest in them. I'd say strong, too, fiercely strong.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
He Bob is a historical genius when it comes to yes,
sororities in the history, what they care about, and who
they are.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I went to Indiana University, a fellow ten school, an amazingution.
I went to Indiana and was very excited about being
a part of Greek life. I went there having great
friendships from home, but also wanting to build new friendships.
I kind of had this voyager mentality where I was
(04:15):
an only child from More Sandy and I wanted to
spread my wings, and so I joined. I think of
fraternity for all the wrong reasons. Not because I necessarily
liked the guys that were part of the house, and
not because I necessarily liked the house itself. It was
because it was the coolest house on campus. It was
the one that everybody wanted to go to. It had
(04:36):
the best party room, which looking back, it was a
very naive decision for me because I've never been a
huge partier. It's not like something that I get jazzed about.
And so the fact that I joined a house that
only partied. Really was a mistake of me of mine.
I joined it with one of my best friends in
the world who went through RUSH, and I never fully
(04:57):
completed it for a few reasons. It was a twenty
eight week long pledgeship, so it took up the whole year,
which was exhausting to be which is crazy to think that,
you know, college is four years and you're going to
spend so much time of it. Kind of being you know,
kicked around as a pledge their ploodship was very difficult.
(05:18):
I went through the whole thing, and with three weeks left,
I have all these stories on the things we had
to do and the things I did to try to
get into that house and be embossed around by people
one year older than me, which I still find to
be the weirdest thing in the world looking back. But
I was diagnosed with mono and had to go home.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
For four weeks.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Came back to the last week of pledgship and kind
of got. I mean, I don't want to say bet
up because that sounds a bad I just got they
did not take it easy on me. Long story short,
ended up very sick again from that week and never
fully completed it, however, had great buddies house was over
(06:00):
there many many a times afterwards.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And because of my long standing pledge ship, I had
made good relationships with some of the sororities. I have
amazing stories about sororities and some of the hospitalities they
showed me, which is always a special time to look
back on before bringing our first caller. I know they're
kind of on the line waiting right now. If we
(06:25):
just started this out with your top sororities and kind
of why you liked them, I think that would be
a good way to get this thing kicked off.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Okay, so yeah, I mean my college experience, my experience,
by the way, was a little different than yours because
I was actually my I was a pledge educator, meaning
I like was the leader of the pledges at one point,
and I was also the social director of our fraternity,
so I got to know all the storties pretty well.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But I was never fine with people being haze or whatever.
I was like, how do you.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Expect these people to want to be your friends if
you're in jackass to them? You know, however long the
time and frame it is, So I always had that
kind of mentality going.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
So I totally relate to what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
But yeah, I would say, uh, you know, in Michigan
State when I was there, the atls are no longer
on campus, by the way, uh got the boot. But
when I was there, we were probably one of the
more notable party houses uh there as well, And I
(07:27):
would always pick out like the ky Omegas and the
Alpha Kyomegas, the Sigma Kappas and.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Uh, the Alpha Fees uh.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
And we partied a lot with the Kappa Kapa Gammas
as well, And so I was a regular at a
lot of those date parties too. So I loved it
because I'd be like, hey, yeah, I was the single guy,
so where are we going.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Oh, we're gonna go, you know, to this awesome ski
resort I'm in, you know, And I was. I loved it.
You know, It's super fun.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But those sororities, I think the reasons why we would
typically they were considered the kind of the top houses
on campus, and probably the reasons why we chose to,
you know, have them at our parties and things of
that nature was because a lot of the guys in
the fraternity maybe dated girls in that sorority or.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Whatever it might be.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And so there were you know, relationships that had been
built there from whether they were girl from boyfriend, and
then we became friends with all their friends type of thing.
It just became kind of like this intertwined, you know,
connected group of people. And they were super fun, you know,
always up for a fun event, and they showed up,
(08:39):
you know, like that was one of the things too,
Like you have a party as a fraternity on campus,
and the last thing you want is, I believe the
term would be for it to be a sausage fest, right,
you know what, you don't just want all the dudes
from all the fraternities that are also invited to show
up and none of the women to show up. So
you always wanted the women who would actually show up
and have fun and enjoy the party as well. And
(09:01):
so that was kind of a cool thing I think
about the Stroties that I mentioned was not only were
they you know, super involved in everything that they were doing,
but they were a lot of fun. They were great
to hang out with, great personalities. And then you know,
also they would they would show up in full and
they'd roll on in and the party would would go
(09:22):
up a notch the second they got there. The hardest
part was actually determining which sororities party with that which functions.
So that was always kind of an interesting, you know,
little algorithm I had to figure out too.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The let's be honest, though, Bob, again, we're gonna get
ourselves into trouble today. We do have a collar on
the line that we're going to bring in right now.
The physical attraction also became a theme, like this house
is beautiful, right, or this house is kind of down
my lane, and what I'm physically attracted through that also
(09:58):
played a huge role. And what houses you partied with
and which ones you didn't.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, absolutely, there was definitely a little bit of that
there too, Probably a lot of that there. But like
I said, you know a lot of times it was
guys in the house maybe were dating girls in that house,
and so you got to know them all and and
the atos in general had impeccable taste, so of course
they were, you know, hanging out with the smoke shows
of that particular time and campus.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
The house that I was in is no longer at
Indiana University.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
The name of can we ask the name of that?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, it's Okay, in most places, it's not very good.
At Indiana University is very good.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I think.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I don't mean to sound disrespectfully, but it almost sounds
like something you would need an ointment for.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, well, if you if you suffer from acasha.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, that's a that's a fair statement. I think for
the things that happened in some of the reasons why
that house is no longer on.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Care, I can imagine.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, yeah, all right, we have our first caller in uh.
He is not only entrenched into the fraternity life, he also,
(11:22):
I'm assuming probably played a role as social chair. Just
looking at this man's face makes me quiver. It is
Brick Rhinestone, join us today.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
What's up your pretty faces?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You know? So it's funny.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
You and I have often been compared to one another
from our mutual friends. And I was a social chair
in my fraternity and Ben stole it from me when
I said, I was thinking, I bet you Brick Rhinstone
was also the social director of his fraternity, and I
have a feeling you were.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
I was not.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
You would think I would have a real strong case
for it because I went to school in Kansas and
I came from California, and so I thought I'd be
the big ship when I got there, and I was
quickly put in my place, and.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
I was not social chair.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
I did get into the house that I wanted to
and still have a lot of those friends, but.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I was not as cool as I thought I was.
I was putting checked pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Really, do you think that's part of why there's a
ploogship with fraternities to put people in there.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
I mean, listen, Bob and I went to school a
very long time ago, so things have changed.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yes, it's much different.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
But yeah, I do think that when you go through
Rush and you sign a house and you have all
these older actives who obviously have put in their time
and they think that they're the king of the mountain,
and then you get these freshmen that come in and think, oh,
I got into the house that I wanted, this is
going to be so cool. You get put into reality
(13:07):
check pretty quickly about where you are on the totem pole.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
It's probably healthy.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, it probably is to a certain degree.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I mean part of it too, is I mean, you know,
you get into like the psyche of some of these
dudes that have been there for a while, and in
their minds, they're like, well, in the military, we break
it down to build you back up. And you're like, well, dude,
you've never been to the military first and foremost, so
what's tell you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
But I do feel like that's kind of what these
guys think they're doing, right.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
They're going to reshape you in the mold of what
they want the FRAT to look at, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Now we're here today to talk about sororities. I don't
know if you feel comfortable talking about the topic of
sororities or if you have much experience, but Bob and
I just kind of went through some of our favorites.
Bob shared his top three favorite houses. Actually, I think
Bob shared about ten places that he enjoyed visiting. Yeah,
(14:00):
I'm going to ask you a similar but different question.
I would love for you to talk about maybe why
you didn't enjoy a certain sorority, like what made you
stay away from them or not invite them to the parties,
and then also talk about what made you enjoy certain sororities,
why you enjoyed being around them. Hey, we've already broached
the subject, obviously. It's college and We cannot at all
(14:24):
skim over the fact that we were all very very
immature people at the time, and physical attraction was a
huge component into why you hung out with certain houses
and you didn't. However, there's other reasons. So let's start,
which was a sorority you stayed away from and why?
Speaker 7 (14:41):
This is a loaded question that could come back and
really bite, So I'm just going to answer this politically
that there are certain sororities that we stayed away from
and because they weren't quote unquote the cool or the
beautiful girl rolls. If if somebody found out you were
(15:03):
dating somebody or you hooked up with someone from one
of those sororities, it was kind of looked down upon.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
And so I'm not going to name any names, but
we definitely had.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Sororities that were the top tier, and those I would
say that was probably Theta Kyo and Delta Gamma, at
least when I went to school, those were kind of
like the top three. That's where the pretty girls were.
That was where you had house parties with your fraternity.
(15:36):
You would do a joint obviously the sorority and fraternity,
and those were also relatively close to our fraternity, So
it made it very easy getting back and forth going
to those parties.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
But I think that once again just kind of like
what we see how it started.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
It is that you know, they mold you into the fraternity,
molds you into what they want, and it starts from
day one when you're a pledge and you're going to
do as I say, and this is, you know, kind
of our mantra and this is what we follow, and
then it kind of bleeds into other things, whether it
be sports, whether it be sororities, whether it be you know, academics.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
And so I think.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
That that was you know, there could have been a
beautiful girl at a lesser sorority, but I probably would
not have done that.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Just because of the.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
Backlash that I would have gotten from going out with
that person. And also the fact that we're probably never
going to do a fraternity sorority party with that sorority
would make it more difficult for me in the dating
world or socially if that particular sorority was not going
(16:54):
to be part of my everyday, you know kind of
social life.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Brick.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
The interesting thing about Indiana University is it's the greek
life is set up in two places. We have Greek
Grow where you know, you had all the houses on
a street, and then we had Third Street, which had
some of the bigger mansions, and that was across campus.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
It wasn't a short walk.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
It was a twenty five to thirty minute walk to
get from where most of the houses were to Third Street.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
But Third Street was where.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Like you wanted to be. Those were the cool houses,
those were the best houses. That was where everything happened.
And I agree with you, Bob, I'm wondering if you
had the same experience. Proximity played a huge role in
the kind of universe that we operated in socially, because
it was hard for us to convince anybody from thirty
(17:45):
minutes away to come down to hang out.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, I think that was part of it.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I mean, for us, all the sororities were pretty much
on the same street, right so it was basically, you know,
the fraternities were kind.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Of off the beaten path for those.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
But the sororities were all kind of right there, and
we were pretty close to the majority of them.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
So yeah, I think proximity did.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Play a part because some of the outliers probably just
got passed over because they weren't as close like you know,
you mentioned like the Theta House. Data House was popular
house in Michigan State too, but they weren't really near
our fraternity comparatively to the others, and so we still
did stuff with it, but we probably didn't do stuff
with them as much.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
The brick.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
The thing that I found that I'm thinking back on
this time that was always very interesting is how quickly
when you enter into a fraternity, how quickly the houses
get stereotyped. I want to hear, how why the two
of you think these houses get stereotyped the way they do. Right,
we had the house when you mentioned Alpha fees like,
(18:44):
oh they're very smart, when you talk about the zetas,
Oh they're all blods, like you just had these like
stereotypes that were not always true, but it was kind
of the way that we talked about these houses.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Did you have that same experience.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
I think that it is.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Listen, a sorority is, or a fraternity for that matter,
is kind of like your group of friends, and you
associate or you kind of gravitate towards people that are
like you. And so while our friend group is much
smaller when you deal with fraternities and sororities, they have
(19:22):
an image that they kind of want to uphold, whether
they be the academic house or whether they want to
be the blonde house, or they want to be the athletes.
So they obviously do that to make sure that they
keep up that stereotype.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
And I think that that, you know, it makes it
easier for you as a freshman that.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
You can say, Okay, there's ten fraternities that I'm looking at,
and this one's a smart one, so I definitely don't
fit in there, so I don't want to go to
that one. But these are the athletic or these are
the good looking guys, or these are the guys who
like to party.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
You're gonna you're gonna go.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
You're gonna lean towards that because you know you're gonna
have the most in common. And so I think that's
probably the same way with the sororities, although probably women
won't tell you that's why, you know, I doesn't matter.
All my friends are equal, whether they're the smart ones
or not. But I think from my standpoint, that was
what led me to the house that I joined, is
(20:22):
that this is where I had the most in common
with those guys, and and it ended up working great.
I you know, I went to school one hundred years
ago and I still am great friends.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
I still see them.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Every year, and that's probably a testament to how the
recruiting or rush operates.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Brick Reinstone, we appreciate you joining us today to talk
about your experience in Greek life. It's a pleasure to
have you, an honor to have you on the show.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Continue to be you.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Hey, I'm not done.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
I want to say I'm wanna tell one story to
any of your listeners who may be going to college.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
I'll tell you what the best thing that I did.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
And some people might frown on it, But when I
was in the fraternity and the Theta house was, you know,
one of the more popular ones where certainly the pretty
girls were, I went down there to be a waiter
for the girls, and I'm telling you that might have
been the best decision I made in all of college,
(21:23):
because you get to interact with the girls on a
daily basis.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
It's not out of the bar.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
It's not like, you know, I want to hook up,
but they get to see who you really are, and
you see them every day for two meals a day.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
And I'm telling you I got a lot of dates and.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
Probably more than I deserve and probably more than the
Theta house wanted. But being a waiter, if you're going
through rush and you're going to be in a fraternity,
go down and apply to be a waiter at one
of the sororities that you think that you might match
up with or hook up with one of the elder
than that sorority.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
That's you know what, You're brilliant because the best way
to show you care is through service, and what better
way to show service? Yeah, yeah, he's He's opening up
the door for all these little teenage boys entering into college,
being like I got to apply to serve and Brick
your spot on.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Sounds good, guys, Listen, it was great talking to you.
I hope to see those pretty faces very soon.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Love you guys, Well yeah, love that guy.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, I mean you can just see it.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Brick was one of those guys that all the other
fraternity brothers just wanted to be around because he wasn't
like slimy, you know, he wasn't excuse. He really did
want to make friendships, which I think is very valuable.
But also to be a guy that the women go, wow,
he's such a good dude. Goodness, gracious, he did it
(22:57):
and he just had ha. Happens to be very some. Also,
some people have it all. Some people have it all.
Some people are the quarterback at Michigan State. Some people
gain seventy five pounds in college and sit on their
couch and just waits for friends to come and sit
next to me. Anyways, Hey, we have another caller coming up.
(23:18):
This caller is another person with a deep tie to
Greek life. We're going to talk to him today, Bob,
I really want to find out from him. You know,
Brick is one of those nice guys, and I think
the next one's a nice guy too. However, I want
to know what he doesn't didn't like about sororities. Like,
I think we need to open this up to give
(23:39):
like some clarity and context for why some sororities just
weren't chosen to party with the cool kids.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, okay, cool, I like it.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Our caller up next is named Tuck. Tuck.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Obviously from knowing this guy, he was one that made
the rooms brighter, Bob, when he walked in, right like,
the spirit increased, the energy increased.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Tuck Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
My first question to you is when you think of
your most iconic story in college, what comes to mind?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Probably my best was a lot of stuff with graduation.
So when you graduate, so I went to CALN thirty
five thousand people, and you have all these schools that
you graduate from, so it takes like two or three weeks.
So you get a gown, you get a cap, and
you go to your own graduation ceremony, but you keep
(24:52):
your gown. So I had several people that said, hey,
come to my graduation and trip and fall down the
stairs and all that stuff. And I don't like being
told what to do. So I said, sure, i'll go,
but I'll do something else. So I went and I
joined the economics graduation. There had a bunch of buddies
that were in that it was another graduation, and so
(25:14):
I sat through the whole thing and then you give
a you give a card that says your name because
they don't know who you are, and so I gave
my name as Joey Buttafuco. When the you know, it
was the all that stuff that was going on, So
they announced Joey Buttafuco and it was like, what did
they just say so it was I had a lot
of fun with a graduation gown that was. That was
(25:37):
a good story.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That's a commitment that shows, I mean you were giving
up your time.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
My whole life has been a bit.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I always think about making somebody laugh.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Accomplished.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
The reason we're here today is to give some insight
into the male perspective on sororities.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Looking back at your time uh at the University Cow,
what sororities stand out to you in your mind of
place of places that you had good memories.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
With, Well, I would say pie Fi number one because
I married uh my present wife only wife. Uh, she
was a pie Fi. I would rank pi Fi probably
fourth on houses, but I married her nonetheless.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Uh, kapas were good.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Uh, DG's were good at pi Fi's were probably third,
and tried it eats were pretty good.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
We have some themes going on here, Bob, don't We
have similar houses that have been mentioned now from you
to Brick to Tuck. We have we have a theme
going on that some houses stand up above the rest.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Now what houses to you? Tuck? Maybe you look back
on without the fond memories.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
And and maybe why did some sorority not click with
your house while others did well.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I should also say I I don't know that the
cap is or dgi's talked to me either, So there,
you know, there's a there's a scale there that should
be noted. I have a bad in my brain. Theda's
Thetas are bad, you know. So it's right behind Sae House,
(27:24):
so if you're looking in the backyard, you can see
the Theta house, which is bad to begin with. And
we had a party with them called upside Down Margarita party,
and it was like in the I can't remember what
it called, the sump or the pit, you know, in
the basement where we have this party with girls. It's
not above ground, so we always had this party down
below upside down Margarita. You can imagine what it was.
(27:49):
Not that that was a bad party. I didn't originate
that party, but that was not like Theda's. And that
party just didn't seem like a good idea.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
A party experience at college.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
There's a lot of ones that I like look back on,
and you know, it's kind of like the slam your
head against the pillow moments where you're like, goodness, that
could have gone really bad, and a bunch of twenty
year olds to twenty two year olds with the you know,
the things available to us, and we were just kind
of let loose.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
There there's a lot of things that I choose to
I think forget, but overall, Tuck. When you look at
your experience in Greek life, is it one that you
still look back on with fond memories?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
You know?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
We had just a guest on Brick was telling us
that some of his best friends today are still from
his fraternity house. He still gets together with them. Obviously
it's lasted. He's in his fifties now that long.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Do you have the same experience totally?
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yeah. First of all, every rule that's in place now
for my kids and all the fraternity and sororities parties,
every rule they have need a wristband, all this stuff,
no kegs. All this stuff came from my era. Of
all the stuff where somebody died or should have died,
(29:16):
or can't do this, or you can't light this thing
on fire. All those rules you can't do was it
was bad? You could do whatever you want. But to
answer your question, I have probably you know, text groups
of twenty twenty five of these folks that I still
connect with. We do these parties every Christmas. Lots of
(29:38):
people that we still stay in contact with. And I
have two or three that are you know, if something
were to happen to me, they would they would fill in,
you know, and play play dad for my kids. So
very fond memories of these people, and to me, totally
worth it. You're just kind of looking for two or
three people out of this thing.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah, talk.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
The final question I have is then you two might
be able to explain it to me. I don't understand
this term. There's a question here from our producers that
asks did you ever go to a pinning? Did you
pin anyone? Is the question? Do you guys know what
a pinning is?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
And the answer is no. I think it's silly, but
you're basically just saying, hey, we're girlfriend boyfriend and let's pin.
We're probably gonna get married. We had a couple of those.
I think two of them they both got married. But
who cares. I got to tell you a really good story.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I got.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
This is like from a fraternity perspective, and Rush, this
was probably my all time greatest thing that I did
pulled off. There After a while, you get kind of
sick of this stuff and you're like, I don't want
to do this anymore. You just show up, and so
you get bored. And so I came up with this
(30:55):
idea that I'm going to make up a fictitious person
and I'm going to get this person a bid. So
every day I would write this person's name and I,
you know, I said, whatever, his name is, Ben Higgins
from Newport Beach, California water polo player. And then at
night you go through and you talk about these people
and they say, okay, Ben Higgins, and so I'm like, oh, yeah,
I saw him. What a stud six or four, blonde hair,
(31:18):
super strong. He's thinking about going to the next doorhouse.
We got to get him. But this is our guy,
and so I kept writing his name down and then
trying to show him up. You know, where is he
we got to meet him. I'm like, he just left.
He's in the back doing beer bongs with us and stuff.
And ultimately it got to the point that they're like,
we don't think that this person exists, you know. So
(31:40):
I knew I needed a wingman. So you talked about
the people that I that I made friends with. I
reached out to my wingman. I'm like, hey, I'm totally
made up this guy's name, but I need you to
vouch for me. And everybody loves you. So then somebody says,
has anybody else met Ben Higgins? And my buddy raises
his hand, he goes, I have. He's a fucking stud.
We got. We got to do everything we can to
(32:01):
get this guy in and I was like, yes, and uh,
ultimately this thing got it failed, like we didn't like
you write a bit, but I almost got an imaginary person.
It's to show how silly this is.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Cok.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I got a question for you, So, had you gotten
down to the final night. We used to have the
you know, the pictures would pop up and we'd be like, okay,
this is you know, you know John Smith or whatever.
So what did you have planned for that in the
event that it got to that point? Did you guys
do the photos and the whole better? Was it just
name recognition only?
Speaker 5 (32:33):
That's that's a very intelligent question. We didn't have photos.
I mean again, it's just like a notepad. You signed
your name so I'm fifty five, So we weren't into
the you know, nobody had phones or cameras. Uh yeah,
no phones there. You know, you just uh, you just
had to kind of wing it. So a lot of
it was, hey, we trust you. You're a good person,
(32:53):
and I was kind of not doing the best from
a trust perspective.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I think that's classic.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Though.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
We did polaroids because you and I are about the
same age, So we did polaroids and we'd pop them
up on the screen, and you know, it was kind
of like animal.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
House, right.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
It was like, you know that that picture would pop
up and people would throw their drinks at the screen
or whatever it might be.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
You know, it was ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
You know those ski masks that have the holes here
and then this. So I'm running around the house like,
hey guys, you know I got to run like pretending
I was a guy. So probably the best I could do.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
So good.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I can't let you get away from here without asking
you. You screwed over the fact that you married somebody that
you met in college. Can you tell us more about this?
And you ranked her house? I hope she listens as
the third or fourth. Let's just put an emphasis on
that so you can have a great conversation tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
About it.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
But you met your wife in college. She was a
part of a sorority, can you in detail?
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yes, I met her. She's a year younger than me.
We went on a couple for states. I really liked her.
She was cute, she was funny, she laughed at every
single thing I did. And so we went to some
date party. We went as Roger Rabbit and Jessica and
she says that I went home with somebody else, which
(34:16):
is a lie, but apparently she didn't. She didn't want
to date me too much longer after that, and so
then she went out and dated this boy for Fi Cap,
another good house water polo player. He was the best
water polo player probably in the country. Cow was really
good at water polo player. I would go to his
games and I would see her and I'm like, hey,
(34:38):
you going to the water polo game and she goes, no,
why would, I'm like, cause your boyfriend's a pretty big deal.
And she didn't care about any of that stuff. And
then they broke up, and then we saw her. I
saw her coming out of Tahoe and I was bronze blonde,
hair ripped, you know, everywhere. And then so we went
(34:59):
on a date. Uh and and kind of rekindled our relationship.
Uh and then ultimately got married and had three three kids,
two kids, three kids.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Sorry, uh better, I always forget that one.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah, there's like a middle boy. I have a boy
and a girl bus. Sorry boy, girgles, Sorry sorry Tuck.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
You're you're one of a kind.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
We appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Thanks for talking to us today, Thanks for giving us
your perspective on greek life, sorority life, especially here on
the Dirty Rush Podcast.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Thank you, thanks for chatting with me.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Bye bye bye talk.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
It's been in bob here with a Dirty Rush podcast.
We're having a blast talking to guys about their experiences
with sorority life. We're reminiscing, we're learning, and we're growing,
and we're not done yet.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Until next time. I've been Beto
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with
your hosts me Gia Judice, Davey Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome to another episode of Dirty Rush. The boys are
taking over today. We're your hosts. I'm Ben Higgins.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
And I'm Bob Giddy.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We're giving you the male take on sororities and trying
not to get ourselves in too much trouble. Honestly, we
will not just part of life. We're going to take
a few callers from you listeners out there on your
opinions on sororities from a male perspective. So let's just
dive in. Bob, we're obviously hosting this today. You and
(00:48):
I both have a background in Greek life. Well, for me,
I'll explain that mine wasn't a long or very deep
background in Greek life. However I have, I've been around
my fair share of sororities, and I have been to college,
and so I know what we're talking about today. But Bob,
I think you're out of the two of us, the
(01:10):
expert in Greek life. Give us your background, your resume,
and why you know you were hired on to be
the co host today.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yes, well, thank you for having me here today, Benjamin,
and for inviting me to be a part of this
illustrious show and this panel of guests that will be
coming along today.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah. So I was I went to Michigan State University.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I was on a football team at Michigan State, and
I will tell you that I had a bunch of
buddies that were in a fraternity, the Ato House at
Michigan State. And the Atos were a pretty pretty cool
group of dudes, a lot of athletes, a lot of
cool party guys, a lot of face guys, as they
said at the time.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And I decided that that sounded like fun.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Another guy in the football team, who was one of
our middle linebackers, was on the was in this fraternity,
and he's like, trust me, I got you.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You have a great experience, will have fun. And I did.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I rushed the house and as a result of that,
I brought in or brought around several of my buddies
who you know, we went there together. Some of us
went there together, and then some of us came in later.
But I'm from an area in the Detroit area called
the Downriver area, and we formed the Downriver six Pack,
(02:29):
which was six of us from the same area in
the same fraternity, and I think of us, four of
us went through Rush together, maybe three of us, and
then the others came through after.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But it was it was pretty cool, man.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
We had a really great time, and it made a
very large university, Michigan State University for me as a
result of going, you know, going there and being on
the football team that made it a whole lot smaller,
and then being a part of the fraternity system there
made it even smaller. So I never felt like Michigan
State was an enormous place. In fact, I felt like
it was that much bigger than my hometown because I
(03:02):
felt like I literally knew everybody.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, one thing I need you to do as we
prepare for the callers that we're going to take listeners
to the Dirty Rush podcast that you're gonna be calling
in here to talk about some of the topics that
we're going to be discussing. Just between you and I
here to get us going, I want you to start
thinking about, yes, your time and the fraternity, but also
your relationship to the sororities. I don't know if you
(03:29):
had much of an interest in sororities when you were
at Michigan State.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But if you did, I had.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
A strong interest in them. I'd say strong, too, fiercely strong.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
He Bob is a historical genius when it comes to yes,
sororities in the history, what they care about, and who
they are.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I went to Indiana University, a fellow ten school, an amazingution.
I went to Indiana and was very excited about being
a part of Greek life. I went there having great
friendships from home, but also wanting to build new friendships.
I kind of had this voyager mentality where I was
(04:15):
an only child from More Sandy and I wanted to
spread my wings, and so I joined. I think of
fraternity for all the wrong reasons. Not because I necessarily
liked the guys that were part of the house, and
not because I necessarily liked the house itself. It was
because it was the coolest house on campus. It was
the one that everybody wanted to go to. It had
(04:36):
the best party room, which looking back, it was a
very naive decision for me because I've never been a
huge partier. It's not like something that I get jazzed about.
And so the fact that I joined a house that
only partied. Really was a mistake of me of mine.
I joined it with one of my best friends in
the world who went through RUSH, and I never fully
(04:57):
completed it for a few reasons. It was a twenty
eight week long pledgeship, so it took up the whole year,
which was exhausting to be which is crazy to think that,
you know, college is four years and you're going to
spend so much time of it. Kind of being you know,
kicked around as a pledge their ploodship was very difficult.
(05:18):
I went through the whole thing, and with three weeks left,
I have all these stories on the things we had
to do and the things I did to try to
get into that house and be embossed around by people
one year older than me, which I still find to
be the weirdest thing in the world looking back. But
I was diagnosed with mono and had to go home.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
For four weeks.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Came back to the last week of pledgship and kind
of got. I mean, I don't want to say bet
up because that sounds a bad I just got they
did not take it easy on me. Long story short,
ended up very sick again from that week and never
fully completed it, however, had great buddies house was over
(06:00):
there many many a times afterwards.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And because of my long standing pledge ship, I had
made good relationships with some of the sororities. I have
amazing stories about sororities and some of the hospitalities they
showed me, which is always a special time to look
back on before bringing our first caller. I know they're
kind of on the line waiting right now. If we
(06:25):
just started this out with your top sororities and kind
of why you liked them, I think that would be
a good way to get this thing kicked off.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Okay, so yeah, I mean my college experience, my experience,
by the way, was a little different than yours because
I was actually my I was a pledge educator, meaning
I like was the leader of the pledges at one point,
and I was also the social director of our fraternity,
so I got to know all the storties pretty well.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But I was never fine with people being haze or whatever.
I was like, how do you.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Expect these people to want to be your friends if
you're in jackass to them? You know, however long the
time and frame it is, So I always had that
kind of mentality going.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
So I totally relate to what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
But yeah, I would say, uh, you know, in Michigan
State when I was there, the atls are no longer
on campus, by the way, uh got the boot. But
when I was there, we were probably one of the
more notable party houses uh there as well, And I
(07:27):
would always pick out like the ky Omegas and the
Alpha Kyomegas, the Sigma Kappas and.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Uh, the Alpha Fees uh.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
And we partied a lot with the Kappa Kapa Gammas
as well, And so I was a regular at a
lot of those date parties too. So I loved it
because I'd be like, hey, yeah, I was the single guy,
so where are we going.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Oh, we're gonna go, you know, to this awesome ski
resort I'm in, you know, And I was. I loved it.
You know, It's super fun.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But those sororities, I think the reasons why we would
typically they were considered the kind of the top houses
on campus, and probably the reasons why we chose to,
you know, have them at our parties and things of
that nature was because a lot of the guys in
the fraternity maybe dated girls in that sorority or.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Whatever it might be.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And so there were you know, relationships that had been
built there from whether they were girl from boyfriend, and
then we became friends with all their friends type of thing.
It just became kind of like this intertwined, you know,
connected group of people. And they were super fun, you know,
always up for a fun event, and they showed up,
(08:39):
you know, like that was one of the things too,
Like you have a party as a fraternity on campus,
and the last thing you want is, I believe the
term would be for it to be a sausage fest, right,
you know what, you don't just want all the dudes
from all the fraternities that are also invited to show
up and none of the women to show up. So
you always wanted the women who would actually show up
and have fun and enjoy the party as well. And
(09:01):
so that was kind of a cool thing I think
about the Stroties that I mentioned was not only were
they you know, super involved in everything that they were doing,
but they were a lot of fun. They were great
to hang out with, great personalities. And then you know,
also they would they would show up in full and
they'd roll on in and the party would would go
(09:22):
up a notch the second they got there. The hardest
part was actually determining which sororities party with that which functions.
So that was always kind of an interesting, you know,
little algorithm I had to figure out too.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The let's be honest, though, Bob, again, we're gonna get
ourselves into trouble today. We do have a collar on
the line that we're going to bring in right now.
The physical attraction also became a theme, like this house
is beautiful, right, or this house is kind of down
my lane, and what I'm physically attracted through that also
(09:58):
played a huge role. And what houses you partied with
and which ones you didn't.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, absolutely, there was definitely a little bit of that
there too, Probably a lot of that there. But like
I said, you know a lot of times it was
guys in the house maybe were dating girls in that house,
and so you got to know them all and and
the atos in general had impeccable taste, so of course
they were, you know, hanging out with the smoke shows
of that particular time and campus.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
The house that I was in is no longer at
Indiana University.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
The name of can we ask the name of that?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, it's Okay, in most places, it's not very good.
At Indiana University is very good.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I think.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I don't mean to sound disrespectfully, but it almost sounds
like something you would need an ointment for.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, well, if you if you suffer from acasha.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, that's a that's a fair statement. I think for
the things that happened in some of the reasons why
that house is no longer on.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Care, I can imagine.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, yeah, all right, we have our first caller in uh.
He is not only entrenched into the fraternity life, he also,
(11:22):
I'm assuming probably played a role as social chair. Just
looking at this man's face makes me quiver. It is
Brick Rhinestone, join us today.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
What's up your pretty faces?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You know? So it's funny.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
You and I have often been compared to one another
from our mutual friends. And I was a social chair
in my fraternity and Ben stole it from me when
I said, I was thinking, I bet you Brick Rhinstone
was also the social director of his fraternity, and I
have a feeling you were.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
I was not.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
You would think I would have a real strong case
for it because I went to school in Kansas and
I came from California, and so I thought I'd be
the big ship when I got there, and I was
quickly put in my place, and.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
I was not social chair.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
I did get into the house that I wanted to
and still have a lot of those friends, but.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I was not as cool as I thought I was.
I was putting checked pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Really, do you think that's part of why there's a
ploogship with fraternities to put people in there.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
I mean, listen, Bob and I went to school a
very long time ago, so things have changed.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yes, it's much different.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
But yeah, I do think that when you go through
Rush and you sign a house and you have all
these older actives who obviously have put in their time
and they think that they're the king of the mountain,
and then you get these freshmen that come in and think, oh,
I got into the house that I wanted, this is
going to be so cool. You get put into reality
(13:07):
check pretty quickly about where you are on the totem pole.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
It's probably healthy.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, it probably is to a certain degree.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I mean part of it too, is I mean, you know,
you get into like the psyche of some of these
dudes that have been there for a while, and in
their minds, they're like, well, in the military, we break
it down to build you back up. And you're like, well, dude,
you've never been to the military first and foremost, so
what's tell you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
But I do feel like that's kind of what these
guys think they're doing, right.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
They're going to reshape you in the mold of what
they want the FRAT to look at, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Now we're here today to talk about sororities. I don't
know if you feel comfortable talking about the topic of
sororities or if you have much experience, but Bob and
I just kind of went through some of our favorites.
Bob shared his top three favorite houses. Actually, I think
Bob shared about ten places that he enjoyed visiting. Yeah,
(14:00):
I'm going to ask you a similar but different question.
I would love for you to talk about maybe why
you didn't enjoy a certain sorority, like what made you
stay away from them or not invite them to the parties,
and then also talk about what made you enjoy certain sororities,
why you enjoyed being around them. Hey, we've already broached
the subject, obviously. It's college and We cannot at all
(14:24):
skim over the fact that we were all very very
immature people at the time, and physical attraction was a
huge component into why you hung out with certain houses
and you didn't. However, there's other reasons. So let's start,
which was a sorority you stayed away from and why?
Speaker 7 (14:41):
This is a loaded question that could come back and
really bite, So I'm just going to answer this politically
that there are certain sororities that we stayed away from
and because they weren't quote unquote the cool or the
beautiful girl rolls. If if somebody found out you were
(15:03):
dating somebody or you hooked up with someone from one
of those sororities, it was kind of looked down upon.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
And so I'm not going to name any names, but
we definitely had.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Sororities that were the top tier, and those I would
say that was probably Theta Kyo and Delta Gamma, at
least when I went to school, those were kind of
like the top three. That's where the pretty girls were.
That was where you had house parties with your fraternity.
(15:36):
You would do a joint obviously the sorority and fraternity,
and those were also relatively close to our fraternity, So
it made it very easy getting back and forth going
to those parties.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
But I think that once again just kind of like
what we see how it started.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
It is that you know, they mold you into the fraternity,
molds you into what they want, and it starts from
day one when you're a pledge and you're going to
do as I say, and this is, you know, kind
of our mantra and this is what we follow, and
then it kind of bleeds into other things, whether it
be sports, whether it be sororities, whether it be you know, academics.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
And so I think.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
That that was you know, there could have been a
beautiful girl at a lesser sorority, but I probably would
not have done that.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Just because of the.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
Backlash that I would have gotten from going out with
that person. And also the fact that we're probably never
going to do a fraternity sorority party with that sorority
would make it more difficult for me in the dating
world or socially if that particular sorority was not going
(16:54):
to be part of my everyday, you know kind of
social life.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Brick.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
The interesting thing about Indiana University is it's the greek
life is set up in two places. We have Greek
Grow where you know, you had all the houses on
a street, and then we had Third Street, which had
some of the bigger mansions, and that was across campus.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
It wasn't a short walk.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
It was a twenty five to thirty minute walk to
get from where most of the houses were to Third Street.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
But Third Street was where.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Like you wanted to be. Those were the cool houses,
those were the best houses. That was where everything happened.
And I agree with you, Bob, I'm wondering if you
had the same experience. Proximity played a huge role in
the kind of universe that we operated in socially, because
it was hard for us to convince anybody from thirty
(17:45):
minutes away to come down to hang out.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, I think that was part of it.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I mean, for us, all the sororities were pretty much
on the same street, right so it was basically, you know,
the fraternities were kind.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Of off the beaten path for those.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
But the sororities were all kind of right there, and
we were pretty close to the majority of them.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
So yeah, I think proximity did.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Play a part because some of the outliers probably just
got passed over because they weren't as close like you know,
you mentioned like the Theta House. Data House was popular
house in Michigan State too, but they weren't really near
our fraternity comparatively to the others, and so we still
did stuff with it, but we probably didn't do stuff
with them as much.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
The brick.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
The thing that I found that I'm thinking back on
this time that was always very interesting is how quickly
when you enter into a fraternity, how quickly the houses
get stereotyped. I want to hear, how why the two
of you think these houses get stereotyped the way they do. Right,
we had the house when you mentioned Alpha fees like,
(18:44):
oh they're very smart, when you talk about the zetas,
Oh they're all blods, like you just had these like
stereotypes that were not always true, but it was kind
of the way that we talked about these houses.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Did you have that same experience.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
I think that it is.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Listen, a sorority is, or a fraternity for that matter,
is kind of like your group of friends, and you
associate or you kind of gravitate towards people that are
like you. And so while our friend group is much
smaller when you deal with fraternities and sororities, they have
(19:22):
an image that they kind of want to uphold, whether
they be the academic house or whether they want to
be the blonde house, or they want to be the athletes.
So they obviously do that to make sure that they
keep up that stereotype.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
And I think that that, you know, it makes it
easier for you as a freshman that.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
You can say, Okay, there's ten fraternities that I'm looking at,
and this one's a smart one, so I definitely don't
fit in there, so I don't want to go to
that one. But these are the athletic or these are
the good looking guys, or these are the guys who
like to party.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
You're gonna you're gonna go.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
You're gonna lean towards that because you know you're gonna
have the most in common. And so I think that's
probably the same way with the sororities, although probably women
won't tell you that's why, you know, I doesn't matter.
All my friends are equal, whether they're the smart ones
or not. But I think from my standpoint, that was
what led me to the house that I joined, is
(20:22):
that this is where I had the most in common
with those guys, and and it ended up working great.
I you know, I went to school one hundred years
ago and I still am great friends.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
I still see them.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Every year, and that's probably a testament to how the
recruiting or rush operates.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Brick Reinstone, we appreciate you joining us today to talk
about your experience in Greek life. It's a pleasure to
have you, an honor to have you on the show.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Continue to be you.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Hey, I'm not done.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
I want to say I'm wanna tell one story to
any of your listeners who may be going to college.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
I'll tell you what the best thing that I did.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
And some people might frown on it, But when I
was in the fraternity and the Theta house was, you know,
one of the more popular ones where certainly the pretty
girls were, I went down there to be a waiter
for the girls, and I'm telling you that might have
been the best decision I made in all of college,
(21:23):
because you get to interact with the girls on a
daily basis.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
It's not out of the bar.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
It's not like, you know, I want to hook up,
but they get to see who you really are, and
you see them every day for two meals a day.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
And I'm telling you I got a lot of dates and.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
Probably more than I deserve and probably more than the
Theta house wanted. But being a waiter, if you're going
through rush and you're going to be in a fraternity,
go down and apply to be a waiter at one
of the sororities that you think that you might match
up with or hook up with one of the elder
than that sorority.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
That's you know what, You're brilliant because the best way
to show you care is through service, and what better
way to show service? Yeah, yeah, he's He's opening up
the door for all these little teenage boys entering into college,
being like I got to apply to serve and Brick
your spot on.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Sounds good, guys, Listen, it was great talking to you.
I hope to see those pretty faces very soon.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Love you guys, Well yeah, love that guy.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, I mean you can just see it.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Brick was one of those guys that all the other
fraternity brothers just wanted to be around because he wasn't
like slimy, you know, he wasn't excuse. He really did
want to make friendships, which I think is very valuable.
But also to be a guy that the women go, wow,
he's such a good dude. Goodness, gracious, he did it
(22:57):
and he just had ha. Happens to be very some. Also,
some people have it all. Some people have it all.
Some people are the quarterback at Michigan State. Some people
gain seventy five pounds in college and sit on their
couch and just waits for friends to come and sit
next to me. Anyways, Hey, we have another caller coming up.
(23:18):
This caller is another person with a deep tie to
Greek life. We're going to talk to him today, Bob,
I really want to find out from him. You know,
Brick is one of those nice guys, and I think
the next one's a nice guy too. However, I want
to know what he doesn't didn't like about sororities. Like,
I think we need to open this up to give
(23:39):
like some clarity and context for why some sororities just
weren't chosen to party with the cool kids.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, okay, cool, I like it.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Our caller up next is named Tuck. Tuck.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Obviously from knowing this guy, he was one that made
the rooms brighter, Bob, when he walked in, right like,
the spirit increased, the energy increased.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Tuck Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
My first question to you is when you think of
your most iconic story in college, what comes to mind?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Probably my best was a lot of stuff with graduation.
So when you graduate, so I went to CALN thirty
five thousand people, and you have all these schools that
you graduate from, so it takes like two or three weeks.
So you get a gown, you get a cap, and
you go to your own graduation ceremony, but you keep
(24:52):
your gown. So I had several people that said, hey,
come to my graduation and trip and fall down the
stairs and all that stuff. And I don't like being
told what to do. So I said, sure, i'll go,
but I'll do something else. So I went and I
joined the economics graduation. There had a bunch of buddies
that were in that it was another graduation, and so
(25:14):
I sat through the whole thing and then you give
a you give a card that says your name because
they don't know who you are, and so I gave
my name as Joey Buttafuco. When the you know, it
was the all that stuff that was going on, So
they announced Joey Buttafuco and it was like, what did
they just say so it was I had a lot
of fun with a graduation gown that was. That was
(25:37):
a good story.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That's a commitment that shows, I mean you were giving
up your time.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
My whole life has been a bit.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I always think about making somebody laugh.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Accomplished.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
The reason we're here today is to give some insight
into the male perspective on sororities.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Looking back at your time uh at the University Cow,
what sororities stand out to you in your mind of
place of places that you had good memories.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
With, Well, I would say pie Fi number one because
I married uh my present wife only wife. Uh, she
was a pie Fi. I would rank pi Fi probably
fourth on houses, but I married her nonetheless.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Uh, kapas were good.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Uh, DG's were good at pi Fi's were probably third,
and tried it eats were pretty good.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
We have some themes going on here, Bob, don't We
have similar houses that have been mentioned now from you
to Brick to Tuck. We have we have a theme
going on that some houses stand up above the rest.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Now what houses to you? Tuck? Maybe you look back
on without the fond memories.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
And and maybe why did some sorority not click with
your house while others did well.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I should also say I I don't know that the
cap is or dgi's talked to me either, So there,
you know, there's a there's a scale there that should
be noted. I have a bad in my brain. Theda's
Thetas are bad, you know. So it's right behind Sae House,
(27:24):
so if you're looking in the backyard, you can see
the Theta house, which is bad to begin with. And
we had a party with them called upside Down Margarita party,
and it was like in the I can't remember what
it called, the sump or the pit, you know, in
the basement where we have this party with girls. It's
not above ground, so we always had this party down
below upside down Margarita. You can imagine what it was.
(27:49):
Not that that was a bad party. I didn't originate
that party, but that was not like Theda's. And that
party just didn't seem like a good idea.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
A party experience at college.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
There's a lot of ones that I like look back on,
and you know, it's kind of like the slam your
head against the pillow moments where you're like, goodness, that
could have gone really bad, and a bunch of twenty
year olds to twenty two year olds with the you know,
the things available to us, and we were just kind
of let loose.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
There there's a lot of things that I choose to
I think forget, but overall, Tuck. When you look at
your experience in Greek life, is it one that you
still look back on with fond memories?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
You know?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
We had just a guest on Brick was telling us
that some of his best friends today are still from
his fraternity house. He still gets together with them. Obviously
it's lasted. He's in his fifties now that long.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Do you have the same experience totally?
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yeah. First of all, every rule that's in place now
for my kids and all the fraternity and sororities parties,
every rule they have need a wristband, all this stuff,
no kegs. All this stuff came from my era. Of
all the stuff where somebody died or should have died,
(29:16):
or can't do this, or you can't light this thing
on fire. All those rules you can't do was it
was bad? You could do whatever you want. But to
answer your question, I have probably you know, text groups
of twenty twenty five of these folks that I still
connect with. We do these parties every Christmas. Lots of
(29:38):
people that we still stay in contact with. And I
have two or three that are you know, if something
were to happen to me, they would they would fill in,
you know, and play play dad for my kids. So
very fond memories of these people, and to me, totally
worth it. You're just kind of looking for two or
three people out of this thing.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah, talk.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
The final question I have is then you two might
be able to explain it to me. I don't understand
this term. There's a question here from our producers that
asks did you ever go to a pinning? Did you
pin anyone? Is the question? Do you guys know what
a pinning is?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
And the answer is no. I think it's silly, but
you're basically just saying, hey, we're girlfriend boyfriend and let's pin.
We're probably gonna get married. We had a couple of those.
I think two of them they both got married. But
who cares. I got to tell you a really good story.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I got.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
This is like from a fraternity perspective, and Rush, this
was probably my all time greatest thing that I did
pulled off. There After a while, you get kind of
sick of this stuff and you're like, I don't want
to do this anymore. You just show up, and so
you get bored. And so I came up with this
(30:55):
idea that I'm going to make up a fictitious person
and I'm going to get this person a bid. So
every day I would write this person's name and I,
you know, I said, whatever, his name is, Ben Higgins
from Newport Beach, California water polo player. And then at
night you go through and you talk about these people
and they say, okay, Ben Higgins, and so I'm like, oh, yeah,
I saw him. What a stud six or four, blonde hair,
(31:18):
super strong. He's thinking about going to the next doorhouse.
We got to get him. But this is our guy,
and so I kept writing his name down and then
trying to show him up. You know, where is he
we got to meet him. I'm like, he just left.
He's in the back doing beer bongs with us and stuff.
And ultimately it got to the point that they're like,
we don't think that this person exists, you know. So
(31:40):
I knew I needed a wingman. So you talked about
the people that I that I made friends with. I
reached out to my wingman. I'm like, hey, I'm totally
made up this guy's name, but I need you to
vouch for me. And everybody loves you. So then somebody says,
has anybody else met Ben Higgins? And my buddy raises
his hand, he goes, I have. He's a fucking stud.
We got. We got to do everything we can to
(32:01):
get this guy in and I was like, yes, and uh,
ultimately this thing got it failed, like we didn't like
you write a bit, but I almost got an imaginary person.
It's to show how silly this is.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Cok.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I got a question for you, So, had you gotten
down to the final night. We used to have the
you know, the pictures would pop up and we'd be like, okay,
this is you know, you know John Smith or whatever.
So what did you have planned for that in the
event that it got to that point? Did you guys
do the photos and the whole better? Was it just
name recognition only?
Speaker 5 (32:33):
That's that's a very intelligent question. We didn't have photos.
I mean again, it's just like a notepad. You signed
your name so I'm fifty five, So we weren't into
the you know, nobody had phones or cameras. Uh yeah,
no phones there. You know, you just uh, you just
had to kind of wing it. So a lot of
it was, hey, we trust you. You're a good person,
(32:53):
and I was kind of not doing the best from
a trust perspective.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I think that's classic.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Though.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
We did polaroids because you and I are about the
same age, So we did polaroids and we'd pop them
up on the screen, and you know, it was kind
of like animal.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
House, right.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
It was like, you know that that picture would pop
up and people would throw their drinks at the screen
or whatever it might be.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
You know, it was ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
You know those ski masks that have the holes here
and then this. So I'm running around the house like,
hey guys, you know I got to run like pretending
I was a guy. So probably the best I could do.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
So good.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I can't let you get away from here without asking
you. You screwed over the fact that you married somebody that
you met in college. Can you tell us more about this?
And you ranked her house? I hope she listens as
the third or fourth. Let's just put an emphasis on
that so you can have a great conversation tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
About it.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
But you met your wife in college. She was a
part of a sorority, can you in detail?
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yes, I met her. She's a year younger than me.
We went on a couple for states. I really liked her.
She was cute, she was funny, she laughed at every
single thing I did. And so we went to some
date party. We went as Roger Rabbit and Jessica and
she says that I went home with somebody else, which
(34:16):
is a lie, but apparently she didn't. She didn't want
to date me too much longer after that, and so
then she went out and dated this boy for Fi Cap,
another good house water polo player. He was the best
water polo player probably in the country. Cow was really
good at water polo player. I would go to his
games and I would see her and I'm like, hey,
(34:38):
you going to the water polo game and she goes, no,
why would, I'm like, cause your boyfriend's a pretty big deal.
And she didn't care about any of that stuff. And
then they broke up, and then we saw her. I
saw her coming out of Tahoe and I was bronze blonde,
hair ripped, you know, everywhere. And then so we went
(34:59):
on a date. Uh and and kind of rekindled our relationship.
Uh and then ultimately got married and had three three kids,
two kids, three kids.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Sorry, uh better, I always forget that one.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah, there's like a middle boy. I have a boy
and a girl bus. Sorry boy, girgles, Sorry sorry Tuck.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
You're you're one of a kind.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
We appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Thanks for talking to us today, Thanks for giving us
your perspective on greek life, sorority life, especially here on
the Dirty Rush Podcast.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Thank you, thanks for chatting with me.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Bye bye bye talk.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
It's been in bob here with a Dirty Rush podcast.
We're having a blast talking to guys about their experiences
with sorority life. We're reminiscing, we're learning, and we're growing,
and we're not done yet.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Until next time. I've been Beto
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