October 26, 2025 • 35 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with
your hosts me Gia Judice.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Davey Kent, and Jennifer Fessler. Been Bob here still with
the Dirty Rush Podcast. We have some incredible guide callers
calling in to share their perspective on the sorority life.
Let's get to them now.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
All right, we're gonna welcome our next caller to the show.
Let's welcome in Rod.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Hey, Rod, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Guys, sorry, my phone's blown up. Must be the name.
Speaker 6 (00:37):
Weird.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
He wants me to get his cat from his basement
to creep.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh my god, it sounds like a guy. First of all,
what kind of neighbor has a cat these days? I mean,
aren't we all dog people to this? I mean, what
do we do with cats?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Well?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
I don't. I don't have a cat anymore. But I
used to have a cat before Mitten's was run over
by a car.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
If you oh my lord, so before we rubbed salt wound.
I used to be a cat guy.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
But yeah, I understood everyone. Everyone moves on for one
reason or another. I'm surely so, Rod, let's talk about this.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
So we're uh, we're here.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
The show is called dirty rush. And we're talking about
our college experiences, both you know, as perhaps members of fraternities,
but also with different sororities and what really you know,
drew us to those sororities and et cetera. You know,
what was your experience like and uh and what sororities
were like the top houses where you were.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So in terms of what I was in a I
was in a fraternity, so I didn't you know, I
only got to see the sororities from afar. They wouldn't
they wouldn't talk to me so much.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
But it were you were a g D that they
got the gd S No, g D I.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
S No, those are those are those? Those are the
people that didn't talk to anybody. I only got to talk.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Yeah, I talked to my fraternity. We love dudes.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It was like we were lucky if we had girls
come over and say hi to us. For that part,
I was no. The guys were great. I was in
a fun house.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
But I think you know, as far as relates to
my school, Indiana University, it was hoo'siers.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm an Indiana grad.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
That's right, goeah, who's your daddy? That's what my master
would always say.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
To me, what, uh, wait, time out. What year did
you graduate?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I graduated in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Okay, so you're a recent relatively recent graduate. Any familiarity
with the house from where they on campus?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Still, Oh, of course there were. They had a lot
of fun chemicals going on upstairs.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
They were all they're all I think they're all aspiring
pharmaceutical majors. I'm sure interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Interesting, we're no longer a part of campus.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Oh well, it's a beautiful house. I think they inspired
I'm pretty sure they inspired sixteen hundred.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Pennsylvania in Washington. I think that's I think the White
House medication said, you know, this is this is this
isn't this isn't bad. Let's see what we what we
should go with. Let's do that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Like it?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I like it? So what's the alties? Were the big
ones when you were there? We're talking like big guys,
and like I.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Think we're talking like the more popular perhaps I hear it.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Okay, so not like the Taco bell three am, Well
I got you?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Okay, Yeah, yeah, big popular, I mean a fee kind
of timeless.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
There was had a lot of good friends in g FI.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
They were really fun pi Fi, the Angels Uh, my
mom was a pie fight.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Not there, but I like to think there is, you know,
pi fight every school.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
They always they got like sleeper cells, like they can
always kind of activate and and they have that.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
They're always fun, but there's a little bit of psycho
in there. So any given day like kind of that
hot crazy matrix.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, and that's really fun in college. It gets it
gets interesting out of college because it would just be
like a Tuesday night and you're like, wait a second,
I just I just want to watch the game, and
all of a sudden, it's like come on.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
But no, they were.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Pie fis were great. You know we I only heard
that You might have heard this, Ben, but I didn't
have the pleasure of interacting with But I did hear
the tale of such at Indiana.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I think they were something.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
And then I think they actually got squeezed out by
the university because they too were into their pharmaceuticals and
so they were that they probably they probably weren't FDA
approved ready, you know, to be on the shelves as CBS.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
But I think they were really good at pushing medicine
around campus.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, what house were you in at Indiana?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I was a Phi Capasi. I guess I still I
still am Phi capa psi fide.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yeah, no, those those guys are great.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
We actually had a interesting little deal here because before
I got there, five said apparently.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Was well what you call top house. And then they
they gotten little snap foo with.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Uh, I don't know. They had a couple of animals
come in during pledge. It like like farm animals that
I don't I don't know if that was allowed.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
And they got booted.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And so Sigma Kappa was actually the sitting resident at
the fraternity house. And when I got there, there was
a bidding war. I believe this, This is like it
was political. There was a bidding war for who gets
to be in the fire side house. And so right
when I was pledging where I was pledging in a
parking garage because that's where h Q was, they got
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the rights of the house back.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Yeah, they had.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
They had they had a we'll call it uh base
Operation Charlie for all you call of duty players. Out
Post Delta is where we were at. And so we
moved over one day to the big house and it
was and it was spotless because those girls were clean.
And it took us about a week before that place
was filthy. It was a pig sty playing a welcome week.
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We set off the fire alarm about every other weekend,
and then we got a letter from the dean basically
said no more like you, never again.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
And I looked at that. I was like, never, what
happens if there was like a real fire.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, so never again, never again?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Really exactly, Dean Warmer.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, now the two of you. I think this is
one of my fondest memories of sororities. The food, you know,
it was strategic when I was there to make friendships
with great people that were real friends, but also to
get them to invite you for lunches because it was
convenient to walk to for class. The fraternity house food
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was was terrible. A few meals were edible. Others weren't
sorority houses you walk into. And when I said this originally, Rod,
I said, we're going to talk about fraternity houses and
sorority homes. I mean it, sorority felt like a home
to me.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
They just felt.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Better to be in than where I was living.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Yeah, I I never walked around my house barefoot. Ever,
you know, in the sorority home right, there was definitely a.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Sense of like, oh, someone's mom was just here. But
the food, I am gonna I am gonna disagree with
you for one second because the food at sorority houses.
You gotta understand, like we're in a new era of
woman where it's like everything is organic and everything is like,
you know, green, and like there are no vegetables in Indiana,
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but they still found a way to ship them out
to the PI Fi house and so it was like
kale biscuit and like the superfoods that sucked. And me,
he had an actual like our chef was right out
of prison because there was like a good pipeline from
I think Scott County Prison to Indiana foods.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Cirumstance.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You're not wrong.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
So I think I think.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I can't remember his name, but I know one of
his best courses at prison was fried Fridays. And so
every Friday we just had cheese, french fries and chicken tenders.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yeah, that was and that was it.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I don't I don't recall having the best diet there,
but it was.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
It was a lot of good eating.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know, you're not wrong. I remember, Yeah, so much
fried food at Indiana. I mean I'm from Indiana also,
so I grew.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Up in the Carmel area or what part of.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Indiana, No, Northern Indiana or saw Indiana or saw Okay, Yeah, yeah,
so I'm from the north north part of the state.
We have fried food there. I want to give a
quick shout out to the Zetas. They happily fed me
for lunches and they were a nice group of people,
and it was always enjoyable to go over there. I
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always also felt like a sense of pride. I'd like
when I would sit there at lunch. They had these
big windows that overlooked or that the street that was
busy with students walking past would could look inside. And
I always made sure I sat by the window just
in case one of my friends walked by and he
saw me, you know, sitting in there eating lunch with
all of the Zetas. It always gave me a sense
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of pride.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Yeah, no, for sure, like like look at me. I
made it kind of.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
A yeah I made it. You guys can't come into
this party, but I'm inside enjoying myself with a nice
cup of tea, and you know.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Yeah, no, one could only dream.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I never saw the inside that house except for when
they did. I was never invited like that of course
was that was too too kind.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
They had fundraisers.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Do you guys remember like at the beginning it would
have been like pasta nights, like the PASA feeds. You know,
they were all like, did anybody could go? You spend
ten bucks and anybody could go. But I remember that
we would all, uh, we found a loophole where one
guy paid and got the wristband.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
He would kind of just like, yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Give the risk. We have the biggest guy go pay.
So some guy with like a ginormous rest.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
He would get.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And I think after that they saw it and so
years later they probably changed it to the stamp method
because he couldn't feel off. But I remember I I
didn't pay it.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Well, I'm outing myself.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I did. It was Aaron's spirit like eating.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
But we didn't. I didn't. I didn't help raise any funds.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
No, it's college. Nobody has money. Rod. Thanks for joining
us today. You are a gift and a pleasure. Things
are coming on. They're Dirty Rush podcast and sharing all
the amazing things about Indian University and how every single
person in the United States should try to get in
because it is spectacular.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Next level guys. Thanks.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
So our next guest on Dirty Rush, We're gonna call
him Todd, which I think is a great made up name. Todd,
Welcome to the show. So Ben and I have been
talking amongst ourselves as well as some guests today, about
their experience with both fraternity and sorority life back in
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the college days.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
And were you.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
A cow guy?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:28):
I was a cow guy.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
My wife was a Kappa at Calne as I recall
as one of the top houses of course at cal
but nationally without question.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Were they one of your favorite sororities as well?
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Absolutely? Yeah, I dated and we're friends with many many
Kappa and they were the best.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, seemed to what made him so much different than
the other houses on campus, Like, what were the qualities
that you saw there?
Speaker 6 (11:56):
They had a cool confidence that was kind of uncommon,
you know, people coming up in that age range and
trying to be social and be desirable, kind of how
to try hard element at times, and Kapa had a
cool kind of confidence that you didn't see elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
How well, Todd, or you know when you were in school,
how well did you get to know the sororities? I
mean if you look at this now with a real
life perspective, you're pledging you get into your house. You
have about three years two and a half before senior
ear hits, and everybody starts to do their own thing
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to really get to know people. And it seems like
you do in Greek life. So I guess my question
is how well did you actually get to know people?
And then the second question to that is like, why
was it so easy in such an expedited timeframe to
get to know the houses while you're at school?
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Well, yeah, I got to know people very well. And
I think, like anywhere in life, you gravitate towards people
with similar background or in my case my case, similar
sense of human humor. I don't really care about anybody's background.
I really more care about what makes them laugh and
does that make it fun to hang out with? And
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then I think it's so easy to fast track friendships
because you're all thrown into a new environment. And so
you know, I was a kid who went from my
high school to my college and I didn't bring any
friends with me, and so it was a opportunity to
meet all different kinds of people, and you just very
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quickly meet the ones that you want to spend time with.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Now, you two are both very handsome men. I'm assuming
in college you were sought after. One of the notes
here from our producers and also some of the former
or the other hosts of the show, the actual host
of this show, they talk about being claimed Surity girls
(14:15):
claim fraternity guys. They said, So my question for the
two of you, were you ever claimed by a Surrity
girl and how did you handle it?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
There was one instance where there was a girl who
everybody knew really liked me. She was outward about it,
and so that just made everybody in her close, pure
group completely feel like I was off limits. And that
was a shame because I wasn't interested in a relationship
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with this girl to the depth that she was interested
in me, and her friends respected her well enough or
were fearful enough that they didn't cross the boundary. So yeah,
there was a small group of people that were not
on the table for me because of that situation.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Sadly, Bob, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I didn't really know what that question meant when you
first said it. So I'm really glad that Todd answered
it because it helped provide some clarity, So thank you Todd. Yeah,
I think I might have had a similar situation to that,
where I kind of had to fall into the friend zone.
I guess with a few of the other girls that
I might have been interested in at the time because
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one of their friends had kind of, you know, made
it known that she was a you know, it was
into me in a different way, and I always saw
her more as just a friend, so I do. Yeah,
I recall going through something like that myself, So yeah,
I know what you mean by that.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
It can happen.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
The The interesting thing here is the dynamics with in
sworty houses. Now I don't know that your backgrounds, but
I'm assuming that you enjoyed having a good time at
day parties, going on dates, those types of things. How
did you two handle it within sorority houses If you
were dating somebody that ended and then you were interested
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in somebody else that maybe was a sister of hers
in the same house, did that ever cause awkward moments?
Speaker 6 (16:18):
I think you just had to be a little bit
conscious of the time frame. You would not do well
in a long term, you know, a four year school,
You would not do well going from a to b directly.
You kind of have to give it a little bit
of empty time, and then of course you can pursue
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somebody else.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
It's the sorty lines are not that clear cut.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, and it always helped if the person that you
split up with started dating someone else before you.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
You know, moved in on someone else.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
So, for example, if you're dating a girl in you know,
the Alpha fe house for example, and you break up
and she starts to date some other guy, well, then
of course it's okay for you to ask her friend
out right. But if she's not dated anyone new since,
then you probably need to pump the brakes, I would guess.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Todd, thanks for joining us today. Thank you for doing
this just fun little ending here. You do know one
of our producers, Amy from cal Can you give us
what you remember about Amy when she was in sorority
life at Cal.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Amy in college in general was I'm not surprised where
she is today, that's for sure. Amy was organized, reliable,
fun and not stressed from day one. I mean I'm
talking I met the girl when she was seventeen years old,
and she was already like dealing with life properly. I
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have so much respect for.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Her, not stress is an interest. I don't know Amy
not stressed.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Well, Amy likes to get busy with things. But Amy knows,
she knows how to do it, and so I think
that's just part of her process.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, I cannot imagine Amy Sugarman and a sorority. I
mean she had to be like not only president, but
social chair, also in charge of all sporting events and activity.
I mean, I can't imagine the list that she had,
the resume she came out of.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
A daily basis.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, yeah, it'd be wild. Tom, Thanks for joining us today.
We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I like this. I mean, we've learned a lot about
people today, right then.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You know, I've really learned that a few houses stand
up above the rest, Bob. You know, no matter where
you're at in which part of the country, if you're
in the midwest, Indiana University or Michigan State, or you're
way on the coast at col some of the same
houses continue to get brought up time after time again,
which I think is a credit to those homes and
to and to what they stand for. I've also learned
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it's really fun for me because I mean, college was
a wild time, and all of us are discovering ourselves.
We're all insecure in our own ways. We're trying to
make new friendships, we're trying to get ourselves out into
the world, we're trying to network, We're doing all the
things in a very expedited timeframe, and it gets crazy.
It does. As Rod mentioned, and you know, was removed
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for good reasons, reasons I would never fight. Yeah, you
look at those guys today, and you look at the
men we've talked to today, and we look at you,
and it's fun for me to see how life matures us.
Also in a sense where these are great memories and
stories look back on. But you're not. Nobody that we've
brought on has said, oh my gosh, this one party
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we threw was the craziest time. That was the coolest
moment ever. No, that's not getting brought up. Instead, I
think the context here is for the people listening is
what people are going to remember is who you were.
Who you were to them, Yeah, you know how you
treated them. And it isn't necessarily the the pursuit of attention,
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but the pursuit of trying to figure out who you
are to yourself. And others, And I think that's what's
going to last until your fifties, which so many of
these people are that we're talking to.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Right, No, I agree, I agree with you, man.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
It has been nice to hear.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
That been kind of a recurring theme.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Our next caller is a avid listener to the Dirty
Rush podcast, a huge fan of the show, and very
excited to be here. Cruz welcome.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
Yeah, thank you for having me on.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
CRUs.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
You're here because you care about sororities and fraternities. Can
you give us a little background of why you care?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah, I think it probably stems from my dad. He
was in a fraternity and same with his father, so
kind of ingrained in me and then my brother as well,
and followed my brother to college and chose.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
The same fraternity as both of them.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
So it's kind of just a legacy thing for me
and then sisters as well, they've joined sororities as well.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
So what fraternity is it?
Speaker 7 (21:33):
It is Beta Beteita Pie.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Yes, the Beta Theta Pies.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
It's good. It's a good one. Now we're really here
today to talk about sororities. We haven't asked anybody this
question yet. Well, when I say and goodness, gracious Cruise,
as a fan of this show, I know you know
how these things work. But when I say the word sorority,
what comes to.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Mind, uh drama probably what else?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Fun? Sororities are fun?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Bob?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah? I do. I mean, you know, there is a
lot and I'm not sure if Cruz's order or if
that was just what was coming up, but I think
fun and drama probably could be, you know, at the
top of the same pyramid there as far as the emotional,
you know, responses you might get when you're you know,
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having fun at a sorority house or with a sorority
a group of sorority girls. But yeah, I think fun
is definitely the key, right. The whole point of the
Greek system, I think is meeting people, me making lifelong friends,
and having fun building your circles.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Cruz, we're talking today about some of our top sororities.
If you had a top sorority that comes to mind
that you enjoyed being around, which one would you mention?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I think Theta was probably who we hung out with
the most and who we enjoyed the most. And then
obviously our sister sorority was Pifi, so would have to
show love to them as well.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
But to me, those are the ones that come to mind.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And then which ones where would you stay away from?
Maybe didn't hang out with as much.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Didn't get to interact with, tried out a lot, or
Faimu I would say, tried out Cappa, Delta KD. We're
probably the ones we interacted with least.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
And is that just based on kind of the where'd
you to school?
Speaker 7 (23:38):
I was to school at University of Washington.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Is that just because of the setup of the school
or is that because the social hierarchy or what was
the reasoning?
Speaker 7 (23:47):
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
It's a smaller Greek system at UB, so it's it's
everybody knows everybody, So it's not like we didn't know
them and we didn't interact with them, but it was
just kind of like what we would do, who would
we would associate with when we were going out? You know,
we liked the same things as the theaters and the
Pie five, so we were just drawn to them more naturally.
And also from a geographical standpoint, their houses were right
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next to us, and at you DUB, everyone lives in
the house starting from day one as a freshman going
through junior year, so that's kind of unique. And they
were right next to us, so it's you know, it's
really easy to pop over and just say what's up
after classes and whatnot.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
So that's the second time we've heard this.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
The proximity thing is like a big deal, right. I
think it's going to be university specific on that one too. Like,
like Cruse said, you know, they were a smaller Greek system,
so being right next door making it easy. I mean,
I think any fraternity and any sorority living next door each.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Other are going to hang out for a perfuse.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Right, But like when it's a smaller collection of people
than that, proximity really probably helps a great deal.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
The thing that I loved about university was the dorm life.
I thought the dorm life was one of the best
things ever. There's benefits to Greek life, and there's benefits
to everybody moving out of the dorms, But the thing
that I loved about being in the dorms was that
everybody was equal. You didn't you know, everybody had the
same living situation. You had to live in a dorm.
Your freshman year, there was you know, all of us
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were compact on top of each other. We had a
co ed dorm, so that was always the shuffling of
you know, who was taking the showers when, and how
weird was it, you know, to be doing that whole dance.
Just a really like fun time, honestly. So it's interesting
to me to think that you would live in the
fraternity house starting freshman year. Was that a benefit to
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you when it comes to your relationships or sororities or
do you feel like you missed out on that you
know what's common, which is a dorm life.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, so I would say there's pros and cons ub
is very unique in that because of the size and
just I think tradition with the school you move in
right away into the fraternity, but they do it in
a unique way where both stories and fratorneys have these
things called port for the new incoming class. So for guys,
we had a porch and op fraternity and it was
one room and it's military style bunks and you have
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all thirty guys living in the same room, sharing everything
and it's like your communal space. And the girls had
the same thing in their sororities. So it kind of
takes what you're talking about in the dorms to a
whole new level where you're like really packed on top
of each other. So it was a lot of fun.
But obviously it has you know, it's pros and cons.
You're not like living on the same floor as girls
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or sorority girls, so it's uh, yeah, I would say
it has pros and cons.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Bob, this is a question for the two of you.
You know, little background crews. Bob did marry somebody who
is a part of a sorority, a really great sorority
at that. I'll start with you, Cruse, because Bob's married.
He found his incredible wife. Cruz. If now at this
point in your life you meet somebody who is a
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partist of a sorority that you're just like had a
really bad taste in your mouth about in college, would
that throw you off when it comes to a future
with her, or would that come to play at all?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
I mean, I think it would be on the back
of my mind at some point, But at the end
of the day, we're all different people in college than
we are postcrad. I think, you know, I myself liked
to party and I wouldn't want someone holding that against me,
and if about things that I did in college, So
I would approach it with an open mind. But you know,
it's definitely still there lingering.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Bob, would you have taken a second, you know, thought
if the sorority that was mentioned wasn't one that you
had fond memories of, you.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Know, I don't know. I mean, it's funny when you
asked Cruz that question, I was thinking. I was like,
did I care? I honestly didn't even care when I
met Kenyon. I was forty when I met her, right,
So at that point I was like, oh, whatever, but
I won't I won't lie.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
It did kind of.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It was a pleasant surprise when she was like, oh yeah,
I was. I was a Kapa and I'm like, no way.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
And we always had that with the.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Cappus, you know, so there was like that that kind
of positive reinforcement, I guess in a way where I
was like, oh, kidding, you know what, she'd probably be
friends with a lot of my friends from college who
are Cappus, you know, or whatever. In my mind not
and there again not saying that everyone's alike that's in
a fraternity or sorority by you know, by.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Three Greek letters assigned to it.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
But but yeah, it was. It was a pleasant surprise.
And and I'll say, like then you then you tack
on like when I when I first met Sugarman, which
was around that same well, I guess no, it's it
was a suitor that I knew Sugarman, but knowing she
was a Kappa cal cal you know Kappa, and finding
out the canyon was, I was like, hey, you know,
this is an interesting connection. So yeah, I think I
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think there is there's a positive or that negative reinforcement
probably that comes with it, but it doesn't necessarily define
who you think that person is going to be.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
At that point.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Cruise, I got a final question for you. Yea, when
you think back on your time at the University of Washington,
you think about specifically your time in the fraternity associating
with the sororities, what memory comes to mind that kind
of encapitulates it all.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Oh, okay, I think this would be a week one
freshman year. Everyone has just recently moved into their fraternity
of aurority and you've got the big first on campus
game day Saturday morning. Usually it's the they schedule some preseason,
but usually this is like the first big one. And
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there's a tradition that we do every year at the
University of Washington where you wake up early on that
Saturday morning before any of the pretty gaming or drinking
has begun, and you grab all the pots and pans
in your fraternity and you walk over to your sister's
sorority house and you wake them up at six am
and you're going down the hallways, going in the rooms,
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banging the pots and pans, and they have no idea
it's coming, and they're coming out like in their pajamas,
just woking up and seeing all these new guys from
the returning for the first time. And then slowly, like
over the years, you get to like become best friends
with some of these girls and eventually you know whether
you're in relationships with them or whatnot. But like that,
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that's like the first memory of like the meeting point
for everyone. So I think that's really cool and also
really funny.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, like it. It would feel to me like an
adrenaline rush too. You're already excited to be at university,
you're excited to be in your house, and you're excited
to meet the girls, and now this is the way
you do it in this like very drama. I get it.
It would fit to be this incredible memorable experience. Cruz,
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thanks for joining us today. Thanks for talking about your
experience in Greek life. We appreciate it and we wish
you the best.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
Yeah, of course, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Thanks cruise, Bob.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You asked me the question, what if I learned so far,
what have I taken from this? I want to throw
it right back to you as we close up.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Yeah, you know, I feel like.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
It's interesting, right because everyone goes through their experience with sororities, opternities,
and I'm sure they come out the other side of
it richer in some ways, whether it's a full a
full run, or whether it's a shortened experience you know,
like yours was, or whatever it might be. I mean,
I think everyone comes through it with a different experience.
But one of the things that I felt was kind
of was kind of interesting almost as a through line
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on the whole thing, was, you know, there were definitely
some really fun memories and some really you know, fun experiences,
and a lot of them were tied to the whole
social experiment that is Greek life, right, So I mean
from that perspective, you go into this whole situation and
you know, it's it's kind of and it's it's actually
kind of funny when you think about like when someone
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would say, oh, you were on the Bachelor, why'd you
have to go on a TV show to meet girls? Right,
And you're like, uh, that's not exactly why I did it.
But it's also like that the Greek life. You know,
one of the things that you always hear is this
common threat is like, you know, well, I'm not paying
for my friends, right. It's like the thing people used
to say about Greek life, and and you know, you
start hearing it, it's like, I don't think anyone that
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was on this call looked like someone who had to
pay for a front, right. So at the end of
the day, they were someone who went into it because
they wanted to have that social interaction. They wanted to
make a big school smaller. They everyone has their own
reasons for wanting to do it. And one of the
things I thought was really interesting was that everybody that
was on this call today, even those who weren't in
Greek life or dabbled and didn't do it are someone
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that I feel like I could be friends with, Like
someone I feel like I could have a nice friendship
with and willing to kind of put it out there
and you know, some fun stories to tell and you know,
all great experiences. So the college experience is what you
make it, just like Greek life, it is what you
make it.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Right, it is. And you asked a really good question earlier, Bob,
that I wanted to come back to and answer. When
I think about my time at school and the people
I met, I am very thankful. I mean I joked
about it. I'm very thankful for the Zetas who helped
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feed me lunch and just like really kind of like
boosting my confidence. I don't know if they even knew
they were, but just boosting it just by having me
over that meant a lot to me. Also, the other
houses that you know, maybe would invite you over to
a party when after you know, things went south with
my experience. But I also think there was a big
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attraction to people that were a part of sororities for
me because of their ability to get along with other
women and get along with other women in a close
proximity in a fairly competitive environment and do it with
like joy and friendship and commitment. I always have found
that attractive. It was very important for me when I
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met Jessica to find somebody that had a deep bench
of friends and people that she relied upon, because it's
not common for everybody. It's not everybody's story. But I
think when you get into the sororities, you could find
the people that were the bridge and confrontation and also
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the gatherer to bring the women together. And that was
always such an attractive quality that came out a lot
in sororities, and so I do think that stood out
more than anything else. That was always very like attractive
to me.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Sure, yeah, that makes sense. I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I like that answer.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Bob and I have been sitting here today talking from
a male's perspective on sorority life. If we offended you
in any way, we're sorry. We probably didn't even know
we did it. We didn't mean to. We also had
some incredible guests who are fans of the Dirty Rush
show call in, some people that we knew, some people
that we don't know, but people that are deeply invested
into this show and want to share it with you
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and share their perspectives with you. So continue to listen
in to the Dirty Rush podcast as the regular better
host come back very soon. Until next time, I've been Ben,
I've been Bob,
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with
your hosts me Gia Judice.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Davey Kent, and Jennifer Fessler. Been Bob here still with
the Dirty Rush Podcast. We have some incredible guide callers
calling in to share their perspective on the sorority life.
Let's get to them now.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
All right, we're gonna welcome our next caller to the show.
Let's welcome in Rod.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Hey, Rod, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Guys, sorry, my phone's blown up. Must be the name.
Speaker 6 (00:37):
Weird.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
He wants me to get his cat from his basement
to creep.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh my god, it sounds like a guy. First of all,
what kind of neighbor has a cat these days? I mean,
aren't we all dog people to this? I mean, what
do we do with cats?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Well?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
I don't. I don't have a cat anymore. But I
used to have a cat before Mitten's was run over
by a car.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
If you oh my lord, so before we rubbed salt wound.
I used to be a cat guy.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
But yeah, I understood everyone. Everyone moves on for one
reason or another. I'm surely so, Rod, let's talk about this.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
So we're uh, we're here.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
The show is called dirty rush. And we're talking about
our college experiences, both you know, as perhaps members of fraternities,
but also with different sororities and what really you know,
drew us to those sororities and et cetera. You know,
what was your experience like and uh and what sororities
were like the top houses where you were.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So in terms of what I was in a I
was in a fraternity, so I didn't you know, I
only got to see the sororities from afar. They wouldn't
they wouldn't talk to me so much.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
But it were you were a g D that they
got the gd S No, g D I.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
S No, those are those are those? Those are the
people that didn't talk to anybody. I only got to talk.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Yeah, I talked to my fraternity. We love dudes.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It was like we were lucky if we had girls
come over and say hi to us. For that part,
I was no. The guys were great. I was in
a fun house.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
But I think you know, as far as relates to
my school, Indiana University, it was hoo'siers.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm an Indiana grad.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
That's right, goeah, who's your daddy? That's what my master
would always say.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
To me, what, uh, wait, time out. What year did
you graduate?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I graduated in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Okay, so you're a recent relatively recent graduate. Any familiarity
with the house from where they on campus?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Still, Oh, of course there were. They had a lot
of fun chemicals going on upstairs.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
They were all they're all I think they're all aspiring
pharmaceutical majors. I'm sure interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Interesting, we're no longer a part of campus.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Oh well, it's a beautiful house. I think they inspired
I'm pretty sure they inspired sixteen hundred.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Pennsylvania in Washington. I think that's I think the White
House medication said, you know, this is this is this
isn't this isn't bad. Let's see what we what we
should go with. Let's do that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Like it?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I like it? So what's the alties? Were the big
ones when you were there? We're talking like big guys,
and like I.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Think we're talking like the more popular perhaps I hear it.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Okay, so not like the Taco bell three am, Well
I got you?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Okay, Yeah, yeah, big popular, I mean a fee kind
of timeless.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
There was had a lot of good friends in g FI.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
They were really fun pi Fi, the Angels Uh, my
mom was a pie fight.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Not there, but I like to think there is, you know,
pi fight every school.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
They always they got like sleeper cells, like they can
always kind of activate and and they have that.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
They're always fun, but there's a little bit of psycho
in there. So any given day like kind of that
hot crazy matrix.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, and that's really fun in college. It gets it
gets interesting out of college because it would just be
like a Tuesday night and you're like, wait a second,
I just I just want to watch the game, and
all of a sudden, it's like come on.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
But no, they were.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Pie fis were great. You know we I only heard
that You might have heard this, Ben, but I didn't
have the pleasure of interacting with But I did hear
the tale of such at Indiana.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I think they were something.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
And then I think they actually got squeezed out by
the university because they too were into their pharmaceuticals and
so they were that they probably they probably weren't FDA
approved ready, you know, to be on the shelves as CBS.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
But I think they were really good at pushing medicine
around campus.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, what house were you in at Indiana?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I was a Phi Capasi. I guess I still I
still am Phi capa psi fide.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yeah, no, those those guys are great.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
We actually had a interesting little deal here because before
I got there, five said apparently.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Was well what you call top house. And then they
they gotten little snap foo with.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Uh, I don't know. They had a couple of animals
come in during pledge. It like like farm animals that
I don't I don't know if that was allowed.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
And they got booted.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And so Sigma Kappa was actually the sitting resident at
the fraternity house. And when I got there, there was
a bidding war. I believe this, This is like it
was political. There was a bidding war for who gets
to be in the fire side house. And so right
when I was pledging where I was pledging in a
parking garage because that's where h Q was, they got
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the rights of the house back.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Yeah, they had.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
They had they had a we'll call it uh base
Operation Charlie for all you call of duty players. Out
Post Delta is where we were at. And so we
moved over one day to the big house and it
was and it was spotless because those girls were clean.
And it took us about a week before that place
was filthy. It was a pig sty playing a welcome week.
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We set off the fire alarm about every other weekend,
and then we got a letter from the dean basically
said no more like you, never again.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
And I looked at that. I was like, never, what
happens if there was like a real fire.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, so never again, never again?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Really exactly, Dean Warmer.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, now the two of you. I think this is
one of my fondest memories of sororities. The food, you know,
it was strategic when I was there to make friendships
with great people that were real friends, but also to
get them to invite you for lunches because it was
convenient to walk to for class. The fraternity house food
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was was terrible. A few meals were edible. Others weren't
sorority houses you walk into. And when I said this originally, Rod,
I said, we're going to talk about fraternity houses and
sorority homes. I mean it, sorority felt like a home
to me.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
They just felt.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Better to be in than where I was living.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Yeah, I I never walked around my house barefoot. Ever,
you know, in the sorority home right, there was definitely a.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Sense of like, oh, someone's mom was just here. But
the food, I am gonna I am gonna disagree with
you for one second because the food at sorority houses.
You gotta understand, like we're in a new era of
woman where it's like everything is organic and everything is like,
you know, green, and like there are no vegetables in Indiana,
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but they still found a way to ship them out
to the PI Fi house and so it was like
kale biscuit and like the superfoods that sucked. And me,
he had an actual like our chef was right out
of prison because there was like a good pipeline from
I think Scott County Prison to Indiana foods.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Cirumstance.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You're not wrong.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
So I think I think.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I can't remember his name, but I know one of
his best courses at prison was fried Fridays. And so
every Friday we just had cheese, french fries and chicken tenders.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yeah, that was and that was it.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I don't I don't recall having the best diet there,
but it was.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
It was a lot of good eating.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know, you're not wrong. I remember, Yeah, so much
fried food at Indiana. I mean I'm from Indiana also,
so I grew.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Up in the Carmel area or what part of.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Indiana, No, Northern Indiana or saw Indiana or saw Okay, Yeah, yeah,
so I'm from the north north part of the state.
We have fried food there. I want to give a
quick shout out to the Zetas. They happily fed me
for lunches and they were a nice group of people,
and it was always enjoyable to go over there. I
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always also felt like a sense of pride. I'd like
when I would sit there at lunch. They had these
big windows that overlooked or that the street that was
busy with students walking past would could look inside. And
I always made sure I sat by the window just
in case one of my friends walked by and he
saw me, you know, sitting in there eating lunch with
all of the Zetas. It always gave me a sense
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of pride.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Yeah, no, for sure, like like look at me. I
made it kind of.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
A yeah I made it. You guys can't come into
this party, but I'm inside enjoying myself with a nice
cup of tea, and you know.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Yeah, no, one could only dream.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I never saw the inside that house except for when
they did. I was never invited like that of course
was that was too too kind.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
They had fundraisers.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Do you guys remember like at the beginning it would
have been like pasta nights, like the PASA feeds. You know,
they were all like, did anybody could go? You spend
ten bucks and anybody could go. But I remember that
we would all, uh, we found a loophole where one
guy paid and got the wristband.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
He would kind of just like, yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Give the risk. We have the biggest guy go pay.
So some guy with like a ginormous rest.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
He would get.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And I think after that they saw it and so
years later they probably changed it to the stamp method
because he couldn't feel off. But I remember I I
didn't pay it.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Well, I'm outing myself.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I did. It was Aaron's spirit like eating.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
But we didn't. I didn't. I didn't help raise any funds.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
No, it's college. Nobody has money. Rod. Thanks for joining
us today. You are a gift and a pleasure. Things
are coming on. They're Dirty Rush podcast and sharing all
the amazing things about Indian University and how every single
person in the United States should try to get in
because it is spectacular.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Next level guys. Thanks.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
So our next guest on Dirty Rush, We're gonna call
him Todd, which I think is a great made up name. Todd,
Welcome to the show. So Ben and I have been
talking amongst ourselves as well as some guests today, about
their experience with both fraternity and sorority life back in
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the college days.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
And were you.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
A cow guy?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:28):
I was a cow guy.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
My wife was a Kappa at Calne as I recall
as one of the top houses of course at cal
but nationally without question.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Were they one of your favorite sororities as well?
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Absolutely? Yeah, I dated and we're friends with many many
Kappa and they were the best.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, seemed to what made him so much different than
the other houses on campus, Like, what were the qualities
that you saw there?
Speaker 6 (11:56):
They had a cool confidence that was kind of uncommon,
you know, people coming up in that age range and
trying to be social and be desirable, kind of how
to try hard element at times, and Kapa had a
cool kind of confidence that you didn't see elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
How well, Todd, or you know when you were in school,
how well did you get to know the sororities? I
mean if you look at this now with a real
life perspective, you're pledging you get into your house. You
have about three years two and a half before senior
ear hits, and everybody starts to do their own thing
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to really get to know people. And it seems like
you do in Greek life. So I guess my question
is how well did you actually get to know people?
And then the second question to that is like, why
was it so easy in such an expedited timeframe to
get to know the houses while you're at school?
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Well, yeah, I got to know people very well. And
I think, like anywhere in life, you gravitate towards people
with similar background or in my case my case, similar
sense of human humor. I don't really care about anybody's background.
I really more care about what makes them laugh and
does that make it fun to hang out with? And
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then I think it's so easy to fast track friendships
because you're all thrown into a new environment. And so
you know, I was a kid who went from my
high school to my college and I didn't bring any
friends with me, and so it was a opportunity to
meet all different kinds of people, and you just very
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quickly meet the ones that you want to spend time with.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Now, you two are both very handsome men. I'm assuming
in college you were sought after. One of the notes
here from our producers and also some of the former
or the other hosts of the show, the actual host
of this show, they talk about being claimed Surity girls
(14:15):
claim fraternity guys. They said, So my question for the
two of you, were you ever claimed by a Surrity
girl and how did you handle it?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
There was one instance where there was a girl who
everybody knew really liked me. She was outward about it,
and so that just made everybody in her close, pure
group completely feel like I was off limits. And that
was a shame because I wasn't interested in a relationship
(14:49):
with this girl to the depth that she was interested
in me, and her friends respected her well enough or
were fearful enough that they didn't cross the boundary. So yeah,
there was a small group of people that were not
on the table for me because of that situation.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Sadly, Bob, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I didn't really know what that question meant when you
first said it. So I'm really glad that Todd answered
it because it helped provide some clarity, So thank you Todd. Yeah,
I think I might have had a similar situation to that,
where I kind of had to fall into the friend zone.
I guess with a few of the other girls that
I might have been interested in at the time because
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one of their friends had kind of, you know, made
it known that she was a you know, it was
into me in a different way, and I always saw
her more as just a friend, so I do. Yeah,
I recall going through something like that myself, So yeah,
I know what you mean by that.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
It can happen.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
The The interesting thing here is the dynamics with in
sworty houses. Now I don't know that your backgrounds, but
I'm assuming that you enjoyed having a good time at
day parties, going on dates, those types of things. How
did you two handle it within sorority houses If you
were dating somebody that ended and then you were interested
(16:11):
in somebody else that maybe was a sister of hers
in the same house, did that ever cause awkward moments?
Speaker 6 (16:18):
I think you just had to be a little bit
conscious of the time frame. You would not do well
in a long term, you know, a four year school,
You would not do well going from a to b directly.
You kind of have to give it a little bit
of empty time, and then of course you can pursue
(16:40):
somebody else.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
It's the sorty lines are not that clear cut.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, and it always helped if the person that you
split up with started dating someone else before you.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
You know, moved in on someone else.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
So, for example, if you're dating a girl in you know,
the Alpha fe house for example, and you break up
and she starts to date some other guy, well, then
of course it's okay for you to ask her friend
out right. But if she's not dated anyone new since,
then you probably need to pump the brakes, I would guess.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Todd, thanks for joining us today. Thank you for doing
this just fun little ending here. You do know one
of our producers, Amy from cal Can you give us
what you remember about Amy when she was in sorority
life at Cal.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Amy in college in general was I'm not surprised where
she is today, that's for sure. Amy was organized, reliable,
fun and not stressed from day one. I mean I'm
talking I met the girl when she was seventeen years old,
and she was already like dealing with life properly. I
(17:57):
have so much respect for.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Her, not stress is an interest. I don't know Amy
not stressed.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Well, Amy likes to get busy with things. But Amy knows,
she knows how to do it, and so I think
that's just part of her process.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, I cannot imagine Amy Sugarman and a sorority. I
mean she had to be like not only president, but
social chair, also in charge of all sporting events and activity.
I mean, I can't imagine the list that she had,
the resume she came out of.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
A daily basis.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, yeah, it'd be wild. Tom, Thanks for joining us today.
We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I like this. I mean, we've learned a lot about
people today, right then.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You know, I've really learned that a few houses stand
up above the rest, Bob. You know, no matter where
you're at in which part of the country, if you're
in the midwest, Indiana University or Michigan State, or you're
way on the coast at col some of the same
houses continue to get brought up time after time again,
which I think is a credit to those homes and
to and to what they stand for. I've also learned
(19:10):
it's really fun for me because I mean, college was
a wild time, and all of us are discovering ourselves.
We're all insecure in our own ways. We're trying to
make new friendships, we're trying to get ourselves out into
the world, we're trying to network, We're doing all the
things in a very expedited timeframe, and it gets crazy.
It does. As Rod mentioned, and you know, was removed
(19:33):
for good reasons, reasons I would never fight. Yeah, you
look at those guys today, and you look at the
men we've talked to today, and we look at you,
and it's fun for me to see how life matures us.
Also in a sense where these are great memories and
stories look back on. But you're not. Nobody that we've
brought on has said, oh my gosh, this one party
(19:54):
we threw was the craziest time. That was the coolest
moment ever. No, that's not getting brought up. Instead, I
think the context here is for the people listening is
what people are going to remember is who you were.
Who you were to them, Yeah, you know how you
treated them. And it isn't necessarily the the pursuit of attention,
(20:18):
but the pursuit of trying to figure out who you
are to yourself. And others, And I think that's what's
going to last until your fifties, which so many of
these people are that we're talking to.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Right, No, I agree, I agree with you, man.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
It has been nice to hear.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
That been kind of a recurring theme.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Our next caller is a avid listener to the Dirty
Rush podcast, a huge fan of the show, and very
excited to be here. Cruz welcome.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
Yeah, thank you for having me on.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
CRUs.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
You're here because you care about sororities and fraternities. Can
you give us a little background of why you care?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah, I think it probably stems from my dad. He
was in a fraternity and same with his father, so
kind of ingrained in me and then my brother as well,
and followed my brother to college and chose.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
The same fraternity as both of them.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
So it's kind of just a legacy thing for me
and then sisters as well, they've joined sororities as well.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
So what fraternity is it?
Speaker 7 (21:33):
It is Beta Beteita Pie.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Yes, the Beta Theta Pies.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
It's good. It's a good one. Now we're really here
today to talk about sororities. We haven't asked anybody this
question yet. Well, when I say and goodness, gracious Cruise,
as a fan of this show, I know you know
how these things work. But when I say the word sorority,
what comes to.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Mind, uh drama probably what else?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Fun? Sororities are fun?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Bob?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah? I do. I mean, you know, there is a
lot and I'm not sure if Cruz's order or if
that was just what was coming up, but I think
fun and drama probably could be, you know, at the
top of the same pyramid there as far as the emotional,
you know, responses you might get when you're you know,
(22:30):
having fun at a sorority house or with a sorority
a group of sorority girls. But yeah, I think fun
is definitely the key, right. The whole point of the
Greek system, I think is meeting people, me making lifelong friends,
and having fun building your circles.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Cruz, we're talking today about some of our top sororities.
If you had a top sorority that comes to mind
that you enjoyed being around, which one would you mention?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I think Theta was probably who we hung out with
the most and who we enjoyed the most. And then
obviously our sister sorority was Pifi, so would have to
show love to them as well.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
But to me, those are the ones that come to mind.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And then which ones where would you stay away from?
Maybe didn't hang out with as much.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Didn't get to interact with, tried out a lot, or
Faimu I would say, tried out Cappa, Delta KD. We're
probably the ones we interacted with least.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
And is that just based on kind of the where'd
you to school?
Speaker 7 (23:38):
I was to school at University of Washington.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Is that just because of the setup of the school
or is that because the social hierarchy or what was
the reasoning?
Speaker 7 (23:47):
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
It's a smaller Greek system at UB, so it's it's
everybody knows everybody, So it's not like we didn't know
them and we didn't interact with them, but it was
just kind of like what we would do, who would
we would associate with when we were going out? You know,
we liked the same things as the theaters and the
Pie five, so we were just drawn to them more naturally.
And also from a geographical standpoint, their houses were right
(24:11):
next to us, and at you DUB, everyone lives in
the house starting from day one as a freshman going
through junior year, so that's kind of unique. And they
were right next to us, so it's you know, it's
really easy to pop over and just say what's up
after classes and whatnot.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
So that's the second time we've heard this.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
The proximity thing is like a big deal, right. I
think it's going to be university specific on that one too. Like,
like Cruse said, you know, they were a smaller Greek system,
so being right next door making it easy. I mean,
I think any fraternity and any sorority living next door each.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Other are going to hang out for a perfuse.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Right, But like when it's a smaller collection of people
than that, proximity really probably helps a great deal.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
The thing that I loved about university was the dorm life.
I thought the dorm life was one of the best
things ever. There's benefits to Greek life, and there's benefits
to everybody moving out of the dorms, But the thing
that I loved about being in the dorms was that
everybody was equal. You didn't you know, everybody had the
same living situation. You had to live in a dorm.
Your freshman year, there was you know, all of us
(25:16):
were compact on top of each other. We had a
co ed dorm, so that was always the shuffling of
you know, who was taking the showers when, and how
weird was it, you know, to be doing that whole dance.
Just a really like fun time, honestly. So it's interesting
to me to think that you would live in the
fraternity house starting freshman year. Was that a benefit to
(25:38):
you when it comes to your relationships or sororities or
do you feel like you missed out on that you
know what's common, which is a dorm life.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, so I would say there's pros and cons ub
is very unique in that because of the size and
just I think tradition with the school you move in
right away into the fraternity, but they do it in
a unique way where both stories and fratorneys have these
things called port for the new incoming class. So for guys,
we had a porch and op fraternity and it was
one room and it's military style bunks and you have
(26:09):
all thirty guys living in the same room, sharing everything
and it's like your communal space. And the girls had
the same thing in their sororities. So it kind of
takes what you're talking about in the dorms to a
whole new level where you're like really packed on top
of each other. So it was a lot of fun.
But obviously it has you know, it's pros and cons.
You're not like living on the same floor as girls
(26:31):
or sorority girls, so it's uh, yeah, I would say
it has pros and cons.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Bob, this is a question for the two of you.
You know, little background crews. Bob did marry somebody who
is a part of a sorority, a really great sorority
at that. I'll start with you, Cruse, because Bob's married.
He found his incredible wife. Cruz. If now at this
point in your life you meet somebody who is a
(26:58):
partist of a sorority that you're just like had a
really bad taste in your mouth about in college, would
that throw you off when it comes to a future
with her, or would that come to play at all?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
I mean, I think it would be on the back
of my mind at some point, But at the end
of the day, we're all different people in college than
we are postcrad. I think, you know, I myself liked
to party and I wouldn't want someone holding that against me,
and if about things that I did in college, So
I would approach it with an open mind. But you know,
it's definitely still there lingering.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Bob, would you have taken a second, you know, thought
if the sorority that was mentioned wasn't one that you
had fond memories of, you.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Know, I don't know. I mean, it's funny when you
asked Cruz that question, I was thinking. I was like,
did I care? I honestly didn't even care when I
met Kenyon. I was forty when I met her, right,
So at that point I was like, oh, whatever, but
I won't I won't lie.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
It did kind of.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It was a pleasant surprise when she was like, oh yeah,
I was. I was a Kapa and I'm like, no way.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
And we always had that with the.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Cappus, you know, so there was like that that kind
of positive reinforcement, I guess in a way where I
was like, oh, kidding, you know what, she'd probably be
friends with a lot of my friends from college who
are Cappus, you know, or whatever. In my mind not
and there again not saying that everyone's alike that's in
a fraternity or sorority by you know, by.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Three Greek letters assigned to it.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
But but yeah, it was. It was a pleasant surprise.
And and I'll say, like then you then you tack
on like when I when I first met Sugarman, which
was around that same well, I guess no, it's it
was a suitor that I knew Sugarman, but knowing she
was a Kappa cal cal you know Kappa, and finding
out the canyon was, I was like, hey, you know,
this is an interesting connection. So yeah, I think I
(28:44):
think there is there's a positive or that negative reinforcement
probably that comes with it, but it doesn't necessarily define
who you think that person is going to be.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
At that point.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Cruise, I got a final question for you. Yea, when
you think back on your time at the University of Washington,
you think about specifically your time in the fraternity associating
with the sororities, what memory comes to mind that kind
of encapitulates it all.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Oh, okay, I think this would be a week one
freshman year. Everyone has just recently moved into their fraternity
of aurority and you've got the big first on campus
game day Saturday morning. Usually it's the they schedule some preseason,
but usually this is like the first big one. And
(29:37):
there's a tradition that we do every year at the
University of Washington where you wake up early on that
Saturday morning before any of the pretty gaming or drinking
has begun, and you grab all the pots and pans
in your fraternity and you walk over to your sister's
sorority house and you wake them up at six am
and you're going down the hallways, going in the rooms,
(29:58):
banging the pots and pans, and they have no idea
it's coming, and they're coming out like in their pajamas,
just woking up and seeing all these new guys from
the returning for the first time. And then slowly, like
over the years, you get to like become best friends
with some of these girls and eventually you know whether
you're in relationships with them or whatnot. But like that,
(30:18):
that's like the first memory of like the meeting point
for everyone. So I think that's really cool and also
really funny.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, like it. It would feel to me like an
adrenaline rush too. You're already excited to be at university,
you're excited to be in your house, and you're excited
to meet the girls, and now this is the way
you do it in this like very drama. I get it.
It would fit to be this incredible memorable experience. Cruz,
(30:46):
thanks for joining us today. Thanks for talking about your
experience in Greek life. We appreciate it and we wish
you the best.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
Yeah, of course, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Thanks cruise, Bob.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You asked me the question, what if I learned so far,
what have I taken from this? I want to throw
it right back to you as we close up.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Yeah, you know, I feel like.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
It's interesting, right because everyone goes through their experience with sororities, opternities,
and I'm sure they come out the other side of
it richer in some ways, whether it's a full a
full run, or whether it's a shortened experience you know,
like yours was, or whatever it might be. I mean,
I think everyone comes through it with a different experience.
But one of the things that I felt was kind
of was kind of interesting almost as a through line
(31:31):
on the whole thing, was, you know, there were definitely
some really fun memories and some really you know, fun experiences,
and a lot of them were tied to the whole
social experiment that is Greek life, right, So I mean
from that perspective, you go into this whole situation and
you know, it's it's kind of and it's it's actually
kind of funny when you think about like when someone
(31:51):
would say, oh, you were on the Bachelor, why'd you
have to go on a TV show to meet girls? Right,
And you're like, uh, that's not exactly why I did it.
But it's also like that the Greek life. You know,
one of the things that you always hear is this
common threat is like, you know, well, I'm not paying
for my friends, right. It's like the thing people used
to say about Greek life, and and you know, you
start hearing it, it's like, I don't think anyone that
(32:12):
was on this call looked like someone who had to
pay for a front, right. So at the end of
the day, they were someone who went into it because
they wanted to have that social interaction. They wanted to
make a big school smaller. They everyone has their own
reasons for wanting to do it. And one of the
things I thought was really interesting was that everybody that
was on this call today, even those who weren't in
Greek life or dabbled and didn't do it are someone
(32:35):
that I feel like I could be friends with, Like
someone I feel like I could have a nice friendship
with and willing to kind of put it out there
and you know, some fun stories to tell and you know,
all great experiences. So the college experience is what you
make it, just like Greek life, it is what you
make it.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Right, it is. And you asked a really good question earlier, Bob,
that I wanted to come back to and answer. When
I think about my time at school and the people
I met, I am very thankful. I mean I joked
about it. I'm very thankful for the Zetas who helped
(33:10):
feed me lunch and just like really kind of like
boosting my confidence. I don't know if they even knew
they were, but just boosting it just by having me
over that meant a lot to me. Also, the other
houses that you know, maybe would invite you over to
a party when after you know, things went south with
my experience. But I also think there was a big
(33:32):
attraction to people that were a part of sororities for
me because of their ability to get along with other
women and get along with other women in a close
proximity in a fairly competitive environment and do it with
like joy and friendship and commitment. I always have found
that attractive. It was very important for me when I
(33:52):
met Jessica to find somebody that had a deep bench
of friends and people that she relied upon, because it's
not common for everybody. It's not everybody's story. But I
think when you get into the sororities, you could find
the people that were the bridge and confrontation and also
(34:15):
the gatherer to bring the women together. And that was
always such an attractive quality that came out a lot
in sororities, and so I do think that stood out
more than anything else. That was always very like attractive
to me.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Sure, yeah, that makes sense. I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I like that answer.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Bob and I have been sitting here today talking from
a male's perspective on sorority life. If we offended you
in any way, we're sorry. We probably didn't even know
we did it. We didn't mean to. We also had
some incredible guests who are fans of the Dirty Rush
show call in, some people that we knew, some people
that we don't know, but people that are deeply invested
into this show and want to share it with you
(34:57):
and share their perspectives with you. So continue to listen
in to the Dirty Rush podcast as the regular better
host come back very soon. Until next time, I've been Ben,
I've been Bob,
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