Just Jenn: Summer Should be Fun

Get to know the OG from Summer House, Kyle Cooke, like never before! 

Kyle reveals a shocking confession about his marriage with Amanda!

Plus, is Kyle finally ready to settle down outside of NYC and start a family?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, you guys, Welcome back to Just Jen. I am
so excited about today's podcast. I just want to haveveat it,
though with letting you guys know that I am not
a misogynist. I am pro women. I am saying all
of that because I don't know how I got the

(00:24):
privilege of interviewing all these Summer House boys but which
I've just absolutely loved. But let me just put out
there that if there are any Summerhouse girls listening, my
door is always open. I haven't met truly as many
of the Summerhouse women, and I mean I'm certainly hoping to.

(00:46):
I'm obsessed with show and I'm obsessed with the women
on it. But anyway, today I am I want to
say I've now hit up West Jesse, Carl, and I
feel like Kyle I think is the only other one
on Summer House this season. No, actually I think I'm wrong.

(01:07):
I think there's a new person will ask Kyle. But
I am so excited to talk all things Summer House
and all things lover Boy and all things Amanda with
my next guest, who I haven't officially introduced, but I
think you guys probably know Kyle Cook. He is an entrepreneur,

(01:28):
obviously the founder of lover Boy. You know, he launched
something called flower Boy, which is a social soda, so
it's infused with I guess they call it functional ingredients
not only give you a slight buzz, but counteract the
common side effects of THHC, such as feeling tired and antisocial.
So I just am putting that out there. I don't

(01:50):
know how much we're going to talk about flower Boy,
but this man has got his hand in so many
different pots. You know, you guys, I'm sure sure I've
been following him. But Friday night I saw him at
a fundraiser for Los Angeles and he was doing his
DJ thing. I mean, I don't know. I don't know

(02:12):
where this guy gets his stemina, but we're going to
find out here. He is Kyle Cook. Welcome to Just Jen.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
How are we doing, Jen?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
We are doing so. I was saying, thank you so
much for coming on. I was saying before you jumped
on that I did see you on Friday night. Yeah,
that's actually Friday night is the third time I met you.
I'm I'm gonna quiz you later see if you remember.
But Friday night, I was saying, you headlined this fundraiser

(02:44):
for Los Angeles. It's interesting I was thinking about well,
first of all, let me just say I was a
little bit I don't know if I was what's the
expression four sheets to the wind, two sheets? I was
definitely a sheet to the wind.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, at least one sheet, maybe two sheets.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I was like two right, I was like two sheets.
I just remember. I was like, cause I get mushy
when I'm drinking, I'm like, Kyle, thank you so nice.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
You're like, Kyle, I appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
And I was like, thank you, Jen, but I am
frazzled right now because I'm hurting.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I know, can you I know, I know? And I
like I was trying to like corner you. You had to
know how appreciate if I was. Oh, I think I
did the same to same thing to Carl and West.
I was like, I know you hooked me up.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
No, I know. It was. It was amazing. Everyone came through.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
I thank you for kind of jumping on board to
help me spread the word and promote it.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
It went from me, you know, just offering a DJ
to next thing.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
You know, we had like twenty or so, you know, Bravo,
Lebs and comedians and a couple of people from a
new Netflix show selling the city. It was just like
this odd podge, a motley crew, if you will, you
motley And I think it was kind of like organized chaos,
just in terms of like the itiner.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Everyone keeps saying that I thought it was I thought
it was organized period. I don't know. I feel like
it was. It was smooth, it was fun, you know.
I feel like, correct me if I'm wrong. But I
am not a necessarily a doer, Like I followed really
good direct Like I'm really good at following directions. I
feel like you are a doer so and obviously you're

(04:22):
an entrepreneur and like you make things happen.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, Candilely, you know when I I agreed to do
this a week out right, and they only had a
couple of dates where they didn't have programming, and the
other dates were you know, well into February, and I
was just like, people, as crazy as this sounds, because
what happened in La was so tragic, people, particularly on
the other side of the country, like we you know,

(04:46):
kind of like we move on with our lives, and
I just didn't want there to be too much time
that passes. I wanted to do something. I felt a
little helpless. I was actually traveling at the time when
the fires kind of broke out, and I it was
just like, what charity do I donate to? What can
I do to leverage my platform? So it came together
pretty last minute. But everyone was just so you know,

(05:10):
generous with their time and willingness to kind of, you know,
drop everything and join me.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
So I mean you pulled it off.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Later, Yeah, you know, I think we well, we'll be
able to donate over twenty five thousand, you know, which
a lot of money, you know, and I think everybody,
you know, the fans that came out to support and
make a night of it. You know, we we have
an amazing fan base at Bravo and they are also
generous too.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
So agreed. So let me just say again, this is
so that was the this is the fourth time meeting.
Do you remember, well you probably don't. I almost positive
you don't remember the first time as well. Do you
watch house Do you watch Housewives?

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I'm a little behind, you know, meaning like never I.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Saw your I see like little bits and pieces of
like I walk in the living room, Amanda is going
to be watching something right, I'll try to pick up,
you know, the gist of it. But I feel like,
you know, New Jersey has gotten a little complicated, ASA,
So I'm trying to keep I'm trying to understand, you know,

(06:18):
what's going on with Who were you in Miami?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I'm trying to remember where I saw you last.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
So No, I met you the first time at an
original New York Housewives daughter's launch So Ramona Singer's daughter,
Oh do you remember that was launching? You did not
know who I was, but I definitely knew who you
and Amanda were. So we took these pictures and I'm
like standing next to Kyle and Amanda and I'm freaking out.
I'm like and I'm calling my kids and I'm like,

(06:46):
I don't even know if they believe me. I was like,
what is happening?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
It was probably two years ago, maybe.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Three, I don't know. I mean, I've done two seasons,
maybe two? Is it only two? I think it's one,
like three? Whatever. So I met you that night and
then we the next time we met was at gen
Geyser's when they honored right. So right, So we went
to the nefcure fundraiser and I just remember thinking it's

(07:14):
so I'm sorry you're so sick talking about this, But
like I swear, I think I had a whole different
image of you with your mullet than I do. It's
the most bizarre thing. Your personality is so warm and welcoming,
and probably maybe it was before I don't know, but
and I don't think it was probably the mullet that

(07:35):
did it.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
But well, had you been watching Summerhouse from like day.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
One, not from day one?

Speaker 2 (07:40):
But I feel like.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
It took a good couple of seasons for people to
see beyond the douchiness, because you know, that's usually front center,
and I feel like, I think.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's probably fair. I feel like you've been represented, like
not in a bad way, in a almost like a
positive way. Everybody needs a douche.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, you know, you know we're we're always in need.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yes, No, I think that I actually kind of dealing
with this with this my whole life, Like people kind of,
you know, they see me, they might see me out,
you know on the weekend, where I'm you know, kind
of enjoying the fruits of my labor and letting loose.
And I'm a big personality. I love making people laugh
you know, so, you know, people kind of form their

(08:26):
own conclusions. But I'm an insanely hard worker. I am
a doer, you know, and I think that there's obviously
more than meets the eye.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I feel like, you know, maybe it's the blonde hair too.
It's not even the mullet. I think the blonde hair,
you know, No, I think it's was the mullet. The
mullet really put it over the edge. Let's just be honest.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I mean, listen, I'm exaggering, and I just I don't
remember actually watching and thinking that you were a douche.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
When you watch Summerhouse, you get a you know, a
bigger picture of who people are. Probably not the whole picture,
but you do get to see, I guess, the good
in the bad. And I know you have so many fans,
so but I've pictured you sort of as in correct
me if I'm wrong, I'm probably wrong. I'm always wrong.
But like growing up is like the IT boy hosting
a little bit like do Things Come Easy? And that's

(09:16):
totally based on like I don't even know what it's
based on. That's just my guess.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
It's kind of funny. I wouldn't say I was like
the it boy I was. I always had my hand
in multiple cookie jars. Like I played sports, but I
was also like an artist, and I, you know, was
into photography and I played the sacks. I was in
a jazz band, you know, I was in the honors classes,
but I was also throwing keggers.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
And I get That's how That's exactly how it feels
to me when I think when I think about you,
because I know, like I know you have wait, I
know you have an advanced degree. I don't remember, right, Yeah,
so you have this MBA and and you're obviously an
entrepreneur you have been for quite some time. But I've
heard that like even with Summer House when it started,

(10:06):
like you were the one that was pulling in the
cast members.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Look, I knew very little about reality television and I
knew very little bit about Bravo. But ultimately, you know,
in any business, right, there's a customer and you have
to pay you know, some significant you know, portion of
your your your budget with advertising and marketing, and ultimately,

(10:34):
I kind of this is pre influencer marketing, by the way,
So I'm thinking truly on the lines of like, look,
I don't know what it is. At the time, I
was working on nutrition app. I thought that was going
to be it, you know, but ultimately I looked at
it as like this incredible platform where you kind of
potentially have or benefit from product placement and incidental exposure

(10:57):
in the good old sense of like, you know, literally
just talking about whatever you happen to be working on
and showing glimpses of the startup, you know, journey. And
like I said, this was pre influencer marketing. Right when
season one came out, you know, people weren't making a
living on Instagram and TikTok didn't, right, So it was

(11:18):
the early day.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
I have to say, it's it's very refreshing to have
someone on who remembers a time like that. Carl Carl
probably can remember. I don't know that Jesse or West really.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Remember these guys.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
They came in and it was like boom, turnkey, you know,
money making opportunities.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Like no, I'm an influencer.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, season one through three we didn't make shit like
there werenny.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I'm fifty six years old. This shit is still new
to me. Yeah, So but I did go on like you,
I have a business and I thought that it was
going to be a great way to promote my business.
I've been watching. I've watched every Housewife episode of all ever,
but it didn't really work out like what I thought
it was going to be. Was definitely different. I think

(11:59):
it's probably because there's so much involved. Right, It's like
looking at you, not just it's in your hole, in
your entirety, right, it's like just in your I.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Think a lot of people, particularly in this day of age,
where it you know, you build a following and you
can monetize it, people look at it a lot differently
than when I got involved.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
It was part platform, part shits and giggles. If I
can be.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Honest, I was already going to the Hamptons, I was
already renting a house.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I was already doing this, and I was like, I.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Might as well get paid to do it, right, And
I was my own boss, so there wasn't career risk,
maybe reputational risk, but I was willing to take that on.
And I feel like it's a different era, you know,
where people kind of come in with different motives. And
the one thing that I tell people is like, listen,
you might have an idea for something you might want

(12:49):
to promote something, but your first couple of seasons it
really needs to be about the audience getting to know you.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
You can't just start shilling shit.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Agreed. I don't think it's so common for businesses started
by reality stars to become so successful, right, I mean,
obviously Beth and he was the first, But lover Boy,
I mean, I think you've done a remarkable job of

(13:23):
making just Loverboy kind of a household name, and I
just feel like everyone knows it. And I don't think
that's it would feel like it would be easy. But
if you I've watched it on time indeed, many men.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
You know, and we've had a challenging two years. There's
been so much competition in it and like innovation, a
lot of copycats.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Oh yeah, I heard about that a little bit to.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, Ultimately, it is what it is, right, Like you
can say, oh, we're just a small fish in a
big pond.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
It's David vs.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Goliath, But at the same time, there's only a finite
amount of shelf space and you're all big and small
fighting for it.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I don't care what you say. Like, that's that's how.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Like in the world of consumer you have consumer package
goods right, and food and beverage fall under that. Beverage
is the hardest, beverage alcohol is the extreme.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Would you do it again? I can totally hear what
you're saying, because obviously I go to bottlekink I can
see what you're right.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
And a lot of people like Kyle, like I can't
find lover Boy where I used to find it. And
part of that is like, literally, we can't afford to
maintain the share of mind of our distributor because the
big guys come in and just write a bigger check
with a shittier product. And it doesn't matter because the distributors,

(14:41):
you know, they're easily distracted and they go from one
thing to another. So when we launch a market, we'd
have a bunch of success. People would finally be able
to find lover Boy, but it takes tens of millions
of dollars to maintain that market position. So it's you know,
I always say, like, look, when you're buying lover Boy,
you're a smart supporting a small business, but you're also
getting a better quality product because we're not cutting corners,

(15:03):
we're using better quality ingredients, and you know, you kind
of vote with your dollar. And you know, these last
couple of years, theres just been some insane amounts of
competition and we're just holding on for dear life.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
It's well okay, So I will say this to anybody listening.
I can attest the fact that lover boar, are you drinking? Boy?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I'm actually drinking a Celsius I I.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I was like, really, we're going to get because if
you are, I can go get myself. I'm happy to
get myself podcast.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
I just cannot turn off my mind. So sometimes I
really struggle to sleep. So today we're a man and
I are doing a full press day for season nine,
and so I'm just I'm trying to caffeinate.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I can hear that. But I will tell you guys
that that is that Shit's good. I don't know what
you put into it, but it's all natural.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
We don't.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
You know, there's a lot of hard tease out as
of late that you use super loose, which is you know,
my word of advice is you sparingly. You know, even
though it says one hundred calories and zero sugar or whatever, like,
you know that people are cutting corners and.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
No, I'm glad I'm glad you like it. Like it,
like it.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
It's really I really did.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
It's the truth, I do.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I really liked it. I will be very honest and
say I hadn't tried it before, but my kids have,
so now we will stop the fridge.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
You have kids that are of age.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
I have a twenty two and a twenty four year old.
You would both actually like to be on Summer House.
So I'm gonna after this. I'll just give them your
number and you'll work that out there.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
You go, Well, at a minimum, they'll have to come
help us drink some lover boys at a party.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Amen. They're very very good at that. So I have
to be a good podcaster and get into the personal
a little bit. I'm going to really try. And you
can definitely like just put your hand up and say
you I'm not going there, and that's and I can
hear that. I've been on podcasts myself, so all cool.
But I'm gonna try and feel free to stop me.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Okay, I got you.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Last year's reunion, the whole West and Sierra of it,
that's not what I'm talking I'm not talking about them specifically,
but it's very hard and again I've not been doing
this as long as you have two years, but it
is very hard, especially when someone is under you know,
the spotlight and being slammed, take up for that person

(17:26):
number one, and to do it in this, you know,
vehement way. And I was very impressed. Whether or not.
I'm not saying that West was right, Sierra was right
something about that this is strictly about you, and it's
hard to do right and you have to be sort
of brave to put yourself out there like that, and
you did it in defense of your friend, which I
just thought was so fricking cool.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
I mean, look like, ultimately I understood to some extent
where they were both coming from. But you know, in
the moment, seeing just how hurt Sierra was, like, you know,
she literally like broke down in tears, and then next thing,
you know, like I'm literally tearing up.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I know you felt for her to of course, but
I'm saying I think you also really kind of stuck
up for West. He was I tried to get slammed.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Look, but there was opportunities to kind of like insert
myself because it was it was an intense combo, you know,
and I can kind of appreciate where West is coming from.
I can appreciate where Sierra is coming from, you know,
And I think that ultimately it you know, you kind
of have to pick and choose when you when you
do insert yourself at a reunion, right, Yes, And I

(18:35):
was trying to be as respectful as possible because it
it was a lot, It was a lot.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, And well, listen, you're maybe the only person I
wonder I'm just gonna ask you this question. And just
in case everyone that listening doesn't hate me, let's make
them hate me now. I think I was the only
person I know who felt badly for the Rachel Raquel
of it all during scandabal and during that reunion.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I mean yeah, I mean, look, she she got put
on blast and you know you can tell that she.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
You know, she she has her her her weaknesses, she
has her character flaws.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
But yeah, but like, did you feel that because I
I when I bring that up, people look at me like,
are you stick up for that monster? And I'm like,
it's got slammed, like she's still a young girl. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
I think it's it's it's it's it's easy to kind
of forget that they were once all young making stupid decisions, right, yes,
and so were they exceptionally harsh and almost like trying
to cancel her. You know, one could argue that, you know,
I think that it just it was this perfect storm
where there was only a couple episodes that it aired.

(19:47):
You know, there was so much to play out during
that season. When when the scan of all of it
all happened, it was really it was there's a there
was a couple of things that had to have happened
at the exact same time, and it did, and it
was like.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
It was like I said, you're how old are you?

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Forty two?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Forty two? Like with age, you see things differently.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
At a certain point, you know, when Sierra and West
were kind of going at it, you know, I had
to like put myself in west shoes when I was
I forget how old he was at the rear, twenty eight, right,
he's twenty nine. I'm like, man, I was making sorts
of dumb decisions. I was.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
I was. I was totally afraid of commitment.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I feel like my my nickname season one on Summer
House was cold feet cook. Like, you know, it's so
easy to like speak from the pulpit or whatever the
expression is when you you know, when you have all
like the the life experiences and you kind of, you know,
gotten older and wiser and smarter, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I think I love that though. That to me is
and I'm sure I'm going to see it this season
as well. That's the greatest dynamic, right, and a little
bit we had it on Housewives too. When you have
I think sometimes it's hard. I don't know if you
had a hard time, probably not, because you're you looking
at the beginning with like the guys that are younger
than you. I I didn't really have a hard time.

(21:06):
There was a I don't know if you know. Rachel
Food is way younger than me. In the first season
we were like besties. But there I love that dynamic.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
What was the age difference?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
She's thirty three, I think now I'm fifty six. Okay,
it's a big I mean I'm her mother's age, right,
And so it's hard to even imagine that friendship, just
like I would think. You don't have that spread that
I do on Summer House obviously, but there's something so
cool about it because you're bringing such different things, you know.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, I look, I think that you get to a
certain age where the you know, the age gap plays
less of a role than you'd think.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
It's almost like counterintuitive. I remember this.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I think it was the summer that I turned forty,
when Sam was in the house and I was like,
my god, like, there's literally a fifteen year age gap
between me and the youngest person. But then it'd be
like me and Sam on the kitchen counters at like
two in the morning dancing.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
It was like me and Rachel too. Yeah. I can
totally see it, and there's yeah, right, I just look.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
People can be like, oh my god, Kyle, act your age.
My pushback to literally all the trolls out there who
wants to act their age.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Right, I love my age, I will say that. And
in terms of acting my age, I don't. I act
like a can idiot half the time, So I'm not
like someone that's always acts age.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
I just don't let age defy me, and I don't
let age.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Well, you're also forty two, you're still a baby. Yeah
my eyes.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
But you know, but I guess I guess my point
is a I feel like, you know, do what makes
you happy and don't let age defy you. You know,
whenever I do like cameos and birthday shout outs and
people are like, oh my god, my friend's freaking out
she turned thirty, or my friends freaking out she turned forty,
you know. And I'm always just like, as age is

(22:59):
just a number, you know, it's and I feel like
the fact that you were able to have this, this
you know, this great friendship and bond with someone that's
like literally half your age, I think is a testament
to the to the to the very fact.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
It's like, listen, you're also put in a situation that
obviously is not not necessarily a real world situation, more
specifically for you guys, I mean being in a Hampton's house,
and I will never understand how you guys do this
and the cameras don't turn off. I cannot reconcile that
in my head. If that was us, specifically, let's say

(23:33):
the New Jersey Housewives, there would be blood. Absolutely, I
have no doubt about that. No one would be able
to make it through.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Whenever I watched another Broadway show and there's like a
cast trip, and like that's when like the craziest drama
goes down because everyone's kind of like pent up they're all,
like you know, on the same schedule, and you're you
can't really distance yourself or kind of get breaks in between.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
C you can. You're actually wrong, it's you're wrong. It's
not true. On those trips, cameras do go down, they're
not set up in the different hotel.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Rooms bedroom having surveillance.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
But I guess the point is, like it's those cast
trips were usually some of the juicies.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Oh yeah, that's very yes, a good point, that's very true.
But like I can't imagine because some of us would
creep off as soon as the cameras were down into
one space in somebody's room and then shoot the ship
and like you know, go crazy and right, but there's
no break for you guys.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
But today, I.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Honestly feel like that's part of the magic with our show,
right because you missed so much, right, Like, like you said,
you know, cameras go down, you kind of creep off,
and you you know, there's like alliances or a little clicks.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Circus, right, right, you know, with our show, I.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Just feel like it's it's it's just naturally more fluid
with less breaks in the action. And so that's like
both the gift and the curse. You know, right, it's
a special sauce.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, well listen, whatever it is, it's working. I have
this theory that you and Amanda are very much like
me and my husband Jeff, and so I'm going to
tell you why I think that is, and then you

(25:21):
can rebut it or not. But in jet, I am
I'm an extrovert. I am the one who is the
maybe you're not demanding of attention. I am I want
the attention on me. He's more sort of you know
how about this? He he insisted that we live in

(25:43):
New Jersey. I would have stayed in the city for
the rest of my life. I've heard you guys have
that discussion as well. He is not someone he loves
all of this and everyone's always amazed because he's my husband.
Is this sort of quiet series guy. He's securities attorney.
It's just not that interesting and he's like, but he

(26:04):
loves all of this. But if the cameras are rolling,
he's not one that's gonna take over. I think that
Amanda does a very good She's her own character and
I'm not trying to say that she's not. But I
feel like you guys have this really this dynamic that
reminds me of Jeff and I also I'm a partier
and he is just not think Amanda is not. It's

(26:26):
not exactly the same, but like something works.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, she's a little more of a recluse than me.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yep, that's what I got go on, And I think
I think it makes for me at least I think
it makes for a good marriage. But like, you know,
you have this dynamic that reminds me of us. But
you guys do things that I would never do, like
work together, oh my god, or like DoD you have
like an office next to your apartment or something hideous
like that.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, I mean it's kind of an enabler because you know,
I'm able to walk over walk the dogs with Amanda,
and that is like this huge.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Departure from my day to day.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
But no, look, going back to your point, I mean, look,
Aman and I are very very different, right, and I
feel like sometimes when we get harsh criticisms and critiques
of her marriage, they just really focus on the differences.
But to some extent, that's you know that there's an
expression opposites the track. You know, we compliment one another,

(27:25):
we we balance each other. We round one another out
like there's there's there's something to be said about that,
and and yeah, like I'm certainly a little more like you,
and she's a little more more like Jeff. And you know, ultimately,
you know, I I I even going way back to

(27:47):
season one when she technically wasn't a cast member, but
she was a focal point. She's really well spoken, and
I'm just out, you know, just jabbering away, saying stupid
shit and get myself into trouble and making no sense
half the time. When she when Amanda has something to say,
and she has, you know, and she's about to make

(28:09):
a point. And similar to Page in the sense that
where oh my, oh damn well set.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Like yeah, Jeff is a man of very few words,
which works better for us since I'm always I love
the sound of my my own voice. But when he
does speak up or get upset, it has an impact. Yeah,
you know, I don't know if you guys have run
into this, but like again, I the way that we've been,
we've had our ups and downs, for sure. I talked

(28:39):
about it on the show. Now we've been married twenty
five years, and thank god, great, thank you. I'm so
grateful for that, but I'm a lot. I am a
lot to deal with. I he's not. Oh, he's very, very,
very easy. So uh, there have been times, you know,

(29:03):
I mean, I'm just thinking of you because just because
of the show, like you're a partier. I'm not as
much anymore getting old for that, although Friday Night I
was showing my true colors. But no, but like times
where I remember doing some ft up shit, right, Like
I used to drink a lot more I drink. I'm

(29:23):
a drinker, but a lot more than I do now.
And there were times that I did's stupid shit, right,
and I just he would he would be so pissed
with good reason. But I just did not want to
give up that kind of party lifestyle. I still am
like that, right, and it sometimes I think it creates drama.

(29:45):
I mean on the show, I feel like it's created
drama for you guys. At the time, I didn't have
to show that off to the world. It's hard, but
I really did not want to change my with you.
I like being a partier.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Funny, it was like, ultimately at the crux of Summerhouse,
It's like it's our summer in the Hamptons, and it's
a party show, right, and I work my you know
what off, you know, and that's kind of like my outlet,
right like. And there was a period of time where,
if you exclude filming, I hadn't been on a vacation

(30:19):
taking a day off in three years or something crazy,
you know, And so I really embody the whole like
working for the weekend mantra. And you know when people
are critical of that, you know, from an audience perspective,
I'm just like, guys.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
This is not my day to day, right, that's the thing.
And I think everybody kind of does know that. Clearly,
no one's showing up more than you are, which again
I don't really understand. When I did more partying, I
definitely was not a show or upper. I was very
much into doing my partying and then not showing up
was the plan. And I just see you, like on

(31:01):
the show and in your life you are moving at
a pace that I can't believe in It's not it
doesn't seem to stop you right like, Yeah, I mean
it's very special.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, if I choose to have a late night, you know,
the way I kind of keep myself in check is
like all right, well, guess what, like, I'm gonna pay
the price here because you're still going to work out
and you're still gonna go film a show or you're
still going to run your company, and it it helps
frame up how I kind of assess the trade offs.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, you know, you know, you.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Know, Amanda has every right to get pissed when I
act out, But I think, you.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Know, look, I'm not really like I'm a social drinker.
I don't.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I don't like crack open a lover boy on a
random night of the week. Like I'm only drinking if
I'm in a social setting and like that's summerhouse, right,
So well.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
That's not Wait, this is not me asking you if
you have a drink.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
So I was just like, I'm not, I don't, not
at all. Just and I again, I'm a drinker.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
So I was reacting to no, sorry, that's not what
I was getting at. But I guess my point is
like when you think about balance, like for me, I'm
a social person, like I thrive and so if I'm
like if there's like pent up energy, pent up like
a need to go be social, and because I thrive

(32:25):
off other people's energy, I thrive off making people laugh.
I do thrive at, you know, being the life of
the party. I don't need to necessarily be the center
of attention, but I want to make sure. I mean
this kind of like introduces the DJ component. I like
to make sure people are having a good time. So
it all kind of works together to you know, particularly
on a show like Summerhouse, it it is very very

(32:47):
out of balance, right because we're not showing equal footage
of me in the city.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Maybe that's you know, another show.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
I get that, I get that, But also you are
being recorded. So you have this wife and I'm sure
she's I know because I do it that she's conscious
of that. You're conscious of that. So these decisions have
bigger implications, right, And I know you guys have definitely
been through that. So when I've made when I make
or made bad decisions, we got to always Actually a

(33:17):
lot of times we didn't keep it to ourselves because
I know whatever, But it's a lot and it's.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Weirdly therapeutic, Like I wish we were a little more
active within our own couple's therapy. But like, if I
can be honest, I feel like almost filming has been
our version of color.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
That is one of somebody wrote that down in my
notes here to ask you if it's therapeutic. I was,
thank you for taking care of that. Interesting. Do you guys?
Are you guys in couples therapy?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (33:46):
I mean we were in couples therapy leading up to
our wedding. Is you know, the combination of my business
being so demanding, us being pent up in co COVID,
and having this wedding planning process that just never ended
and the dates kept on moving and we were dealing with,

(34:08):
you know, the byproducts of planning a wedding in COVID.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
It was like this perfect storm. And so we were
in couples therapy, but we haven't.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Really been since and with you know, I think that filming,
you know, you can't brush things under the rug like
you normally would or you normally could, And I feel
like it has kind of forced us to kind of
address some things head on in a productive manner.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Pretty cool. I mean, as you know, reality TV is
oftentimes the exact formula for breaking up a marriage, right,
I mean maybe that's a housewives thing, but like you
want to lose your partner, lose your spouse, sign up
for reality television. Right, I'm grateful to report now it's
only been two years I've been on, but I'm grateful
to report that has not happened for me and has

(34:55):
not happened for you. I mean, I've been in therapy.
I'm still I'm in therapy for twenty years. So this
whole process has been, thank God, I think easier for me.
And if I hadn't been, I don't know if you've
hit Low's doing this where you know you needed to
talk to someone, I guess I'm asking you if you're
a believer in therapy, if you've been through therapy.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Or I am.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
You know, I was doing some personal sessions, you know,
last year, just because I had a lot to work on.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Good, but you know, not good even because you need
it because it's good. I say good because I think
everybody should.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
But yeah, I mean, like I think that the age
old kind of piece of advice is, you know, particularly
couples therapy.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
You know, it's proactive.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
If if it's reactive, it might be too late, right, Yeah,
So you know, in place of constant therapy, we've been
filming constant TV shows, right, particularly those those three years
where we were also filming Winterhouse. It was like we
were either filming or something was on air, and it
was you know, it kind of felt like it was

(35:59):
truly a twelve month ordeal.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I mean, I know that that it does have its advantages.
It must be therapeutic. But on the other hand, like
you have been there's no way you haven't been through it,
and we don't see when the cameras, you know, go away.
But there's no way that that is not brutal and
also wonderful. I'm not taking away from any of that,
but also like, no.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
It's not easy. I mean, it is not easy.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I joke and say that you really have in film
reality television until you've film with your significant other.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
I think that that's probably true. I actually, I know
if I'm watching these shows, I know that that's it's
true because I didn't film as much with my with
Jeff a little bit, but he was not a housewife,
you know.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, it's just it enters a whole.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Dimension of factors and variables that you know, can really
complicate things.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
But yeah, we well we're involved. We're involved with your decisions.
And where as I said here in New Jersey, I'm like,
let's go why aren't you. I had to move to
New Jersey? Why can't you move to New Jersey? And
I still resent it, but not really love the hope.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
I don't want there to be resentment. So for me,
it's all about timing, you know. I've always said, you
know for the longest time that to me, it makes
sense to move out of the city when our kids
are old enough to A have a memory and B
I want to play outside because I grew up in
New England. I grew up playing in the yard, making

(37:34):
friends in the street, riding my bike around. Like that's
that's what I envision. Do we need to jump the
gun and move out there like pre kids? That that
was where I was like, wait, wait, like maybe let's
look at an investment property that could be an escape
from the city. Guys, I'm not moving out of the

(38:00):
city just yet. And it had nothing to do with Jersey.
I love Jersey.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Men.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
His parents are from Jersey. I've spent considerable amount of
time in Jersey at this point. Where are they from
They're from Hillsboro. Yeah, you know, is it a little
further than I like?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:14):
And a man is not trying to convince me to
go move to her hometown. And I think there's parts
of New Jersey that I've never even seen before that
I'd find beautifully. At the end of the day, A
big part of being an entrepreneur is having access, you know,
to networks and to people that are like minded, that

(38:34):
are doing entrepreneurial shit.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Well, yes, New York.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
There's no better city from a people networking perspective than
New York.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
There's no better city, you're asking me. But it's I mean,
I'm not ready to move, right, I hear you. I
hear you. I mean, I my husband, his firm is
in the city, so he leaves my house every day
at six point thirty the latest and times doesn't come
home until whenever, I mean some night is things and

(39:03):
it's ten o'clock at night. So I'm living like that,
you know, for a long time. And now I'm in
the city quite a bit. So I would suggest to
you not that it matters that you live in Northern
Jersey also because we just want you here. But it's
way easier to you know, get over the gw M exactly.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
I mean, like to me, that'd be the first like,
that'd be the first step. Is somewhere where I can
still get to the city for any of these like
quote unquote like networking opportunities.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
But you really are waiting for the you said it first,
the baby to have a memory. So I can't help it.
What's up with the baby?

Speaker 3 (39:37):
The situation we just did some press. I think she
she's very much in the mindset. She's like, I want
to be in a home when I'm pregnant and or
having a kid as a you know, so our timing
might vary a little bit, and I'm clearly flexible, particularly
if you know. I look, I thought we'd have kids
by now, right, So we haven't been art on ourselves

(40:00):
from a timeline perspective, but it it's certainly kind of
approaching that age and our you know, our marriage where
people are like, you know, what's going on, and.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
You know they're okay, so I have to So I'm
going to say that. I'm going to say that because
I'm supposed to. What's going on? Is it a if
it's really private? I'm just so I did my job.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I mean, look, we weren't trying, and.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Candidly, you know, I feel like I need the last
two years from a work perspective and been really challenging, right,
you know, man, they kind of like slowly took a
you know, a step back from the business and then
from from the day to day at a time where
the business, you know, like I was saying, it was
kind of entering. We had this huge, you know, wild

(40:46):
roller coaster of a ride opening up, you know, forty
something states with distribution and now now that's real work,
like keeping that that together and keeping the distribution alive
and well. And that's where my folks has been.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
You know.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
I like to say that I film in my spare time.
You know, I'm running a company where people I.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Totally hear your workaholic and but obviously there's biology involved here. Yeah,
it sounds like from what I remember, you have I
don't know what it is about, like these summerhouse boys
that you guys all came from like the best parents,
like the best, Like I feel like every time I
see a scene with the parents, the parents are just
the best. I don't know what that's.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
About, very fortunately, Yeah, and they're all.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Probably shaking in their boots like I would be like
watching you guys expose yourselves like this, But yeah, I say,
I bring that up because you know, you grew up
with obviously like kids parents, that's what you're from. You're
forty two. I'm sure you get asked every freaking podcast
like what's up with that? But I don't know if

(41:51):
it's you know, I don't want to cross any line here,
but I'm no.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I mean, there was a period of time where and
man I spoke of it. I forget what season was
at this point. I mean, she went a long time
without getting her period once she went on birth control,
you know, and then by the time she was you know,
at a healthier place where things seem to be back
to their regular patterns, you know, are you know my

(42:19):
my you know, my my work life balance was essentially
non existent, you know, working twelve, sixteen, eighteen hour days,
just total, total, non stop grind. And so I mean,
my mom would say, Kyle, you can't time everything. You know,
you you're never there's there's never an opportune time. You

(42:40):
can't you know, keep waiting. And so it's certainly something
that Aman and I are, you know, we are open
to it happening, happening naturally.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
She doesn't mean I don't know if Amanda guests but
not this not every woman does, but at her age
with hell does Amanda.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
She's thirty three, were nine years apart.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
I already had a baby, but even like I'd had
my first baby at thirty one, I was ticking, like
having baby dreams, like waking up and being upset the
baby wasn't there, like all of that. And I would imagine,
I don't know if she is she maybe like that,
because that has got to be that in and of itself,
I would think.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
I mean, we actually had some there's a bit of
this that that plays out in this upcoming season where
it's not just me that had some some reserves and
some hesitancy just around the timing of it all, you know, Mannick,
you know, with her mental health, she was also just
feeling like, look, I need to be in a good place,
like I'm not ready to become a mom.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
You know, that's very mature. I love that. Actually, well, I.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Mean it's it's there's no more serious thing than deciding okay, yeah,
let's let's you know, bring life into the world and
become parents. So you know, she was looking at it
a little differently than I think what some people might think.
You know, so we have some real, honest, kind of
raw conversations about all of the above, and you know, ultimately,

(44:05):
like we know we want a family, we know you
know the clock is ticking, but we're also trying to
just not let, you know, some of those societal pressures
be the driving force.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
It's just like she needs to.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Be ready, I need to be ready, and and you know,
we know where it's not going to be perfectly timed.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
I'll agree with your mom on that. It's like whether
or not you're ready when it happens, so cliche, but
you're not going to regret it, you obviously, obviously.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
And everybody, you know, everybody tells me it's the best
thing ever.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
You know, and it's also the hardest thing ever. It's
also the most life life changing thing ever. I mean,
I I don't know at at Amanda's age, I didn't
have as much going on as Amanda does. You know,
I don't know that I at that point was loving
my life the way I hope that you guys are,
and loving the form that it's taken. I think I
was looking for some something more. That something for me

(45:02):
was you know, a house and husband and babies, and
and obviously not everybody feels that way.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
And look, there's so much you can't control, right, Like,
I'm sure both a man and Page, for example, I
think they're about the same age. You know, I'm sure
they both thought they'd be married with kids at this point.
But like a man is launching her swim line last
next month. You know, Page's got she's got this incredible
tour and she I know she's about to launch something.

(45:32):
You know, there's they're just like so many unique opportunities
that kind of feel once in a lifetime. Yeah, some
of these things are kind of all demanding, like in
all consuming, where you know, we're so fortunate to have
this platform. Yeah, you don't know how long it's gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I totally get. That makes so much sense to me.
I mean I had nothing going on before I met Jeff.
I just was fielding like Bill Collector's phone calls. I
was not, like, you know, in them in the middle
of this whirlwind. I would say, like, you know, fancy,
But sometimes it is sometimes, at least I think it's
even for you guys, it's not. Sometimes it's also very

(46:10):
anxiety producing. But I didn't have that situation. I mean
I think that's like, you know, and I think most
people don't, and maybe that's why most people do question
what's going on with you guys.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
But I guess when you're filled, we're in a little
bit of a bubble. I mean, New York City is
a bubble in of itself. Right, it's a different we're
a different breed here. You know, it's the work, the
work hard, play hard. Balance is a little skewed. So
I get it people kind of from the outside looking in,
They're like, something must be wrong, how are they not pregnant?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Blah blah blah. But but ultimately, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
That isn't the plan. I mean that's that there's a
big there's a big plan, and that's somewhere in there.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yes, yes, we know we want we want a family,
we know we want kids. We know we can't wait forever,
but you know, like my god, like even just like today,
we had a full press day and we're like last night,
I'm like, oh no, like, no one's coming into the
office tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
And we didn't think about a dog sitter and we
have two dogs. Oh nine hours.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
That ain't nothing. Dogs sitting dogs like ki, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
So it's like just a perfect little example of our life.
We're pulled in so many different places, and.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
You know, well, is it also partially that, like I
think of the Lindsay of it all right, Like, is
it that feeling that maybe you won't be it's nothing
last forever?

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:39):
I hope that you know that. I hope that every
reality TV person knows that. But is it that potentially
that could affect you, know, your fame and your role
and if that is part of it, I would feel
the same way. I mean, I know, I don't know
if Lindsay it's Lindsay going to bring the baby to
the Hampton's.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I don't know either. But look, I'm sure for Lindsey
I give her a lot of kind of I think
she was just like, look, this is this is my
next chapter, right, and I'm not going to like overthink
how it overlaps with how I make a living.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Do you guys think about that?

Speaker 3 (48:13):
I mean, I would say it's less about filming and
more about running lover boy, like and the amount of
time I'm on the road, you know, the amount of
time I'm working, the amount of time I'm not free
to help out right, And and also again me wanted

(48:35):
to make sure man isn't a good place, so it's
a little different.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
I feel like if if you know, if all of
a sudden, summer house, we're like cease to exist. Like
I think that we can still. We're not going to
be stressing out about, you know, how to pay the bills.
But I would be stressing out about like if all
of a sudden I was if I was going to
be a dad tomorrow, right mean finding the and I know,

(49:01):
like I'm always told that the guy doesn't do a
heck of a lot until the you know, the baby is.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I mean, there's not this huge.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
I don't know who's telling you that, but they are lying.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Well, I guess what I what I've heard is like, and.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I think you're the kind of you're going to be
the kind of daddy just from the little that I
know of you, You're not. You're going to be in I.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Want to be around. But but.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
I guess what what what some friends have said is
like listen, like I'm still working crazy hours even with kids.
You know, but these are like my buddies in finance.
They have like night nannies and.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Ship you know what I mean, like right right right,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Good for them, But I don't know how easy it
is going to be for us to find the balance
and find the time with everything that's on our plate.
So I think it's it's very much an evolving conversation,
you know what I mean, Like, well, you'll.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
See, I appreciate your having it with me. I don't know.
How do you do a lot of podcasts?

Speaker 3 (50:00):
I don't because I don't have a podcast on my own.
I feel like a lot of podcasting is like you
hop on mine, I hop on yours, you know, so
I'm a little more selective.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
What I hope that everyone who's listening here is that
because he's on my No.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
But I mean, look, I love kind of giving people
a little glimpse into into it all. It is kind
of interesting timing because there, like I said, there are
we do have, you know, a number of these conversations
in season nine where we're kind of just trying to
feel things out and you know, make the right decisions
and and also not overthink everything.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I have to advocate for your mother. I can't help it.
But she I'm sure if she's anything, well, no, that's
not true. My kids are twenty three and twenty four.
I don't think so, no.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
My mom's itching for grand kids. Oh my god, yeah
she is.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
My dad had a previous marriage, so he you know,
we I have an older half brother, half sister. I
have a younger one to yeah, kids that are now
like seventeen and eighteen. So almost had a little, a
little glimpse into you know, being a grandparent.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
But you know it's not her boys.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Kids, So I get it. How old is your brother, my.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Older half bro? My gosh, she's probably like fifty five ish.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Say this is your half brother. Okay, that's your half brother,
and then you have a brother with both yeah, I have.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
So I have an older half bro, older.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Half sister, and then I have a younger brothers and.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
A lot of siblings, a lot of halfs myself, and
you know, we.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Have like kind of a modern family, if you will.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
And it makes it feel bigger and more rewarding, and
it's I mean, I just really had my nephew down.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
You saw him on stage, he was DJing. That was
my nephew. Oh yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
It's pretty cool. But you know my mom, yeah, I
mean they're not getting younger either. My dad's eighty one.
She's seventy too.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Wow. Yeah, you were like, you were surprised, you and
your brother. No, I guess your mom wanted kids. Okay, yeah, yeah,
it's they're nine years apart.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
So you know, my dad, you know.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
He's got four kids total. So my mom's got two
in his first wife as too.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
So my dad has five, my mom has two. We
could do this all day. Yeah, but mine feels more
dysfunctional than it does big and cozy.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
But you know, don't get me wrong, I'm sure there
were years where it was really challenging. It's never easy divorce,
you know.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
And you know when you're the you know, the step
children kind of looking in and there's like a new
new kids in the mix.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Okay, I'm sorry, I'm going to throw up my mouth,
but you think that's part of it with the baby
thing at all.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Like I mean, I want to make sure a man
and I are in a good place. I mean yeah, yeah,
but you know I don't take any of that lightly, right, Like,
and I think some of us look at things like
you know, you know, sometimes it is easy to overthink

(53:08):
because you understand, you know, the saveriant of it all.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Like, you know, but but a man and I, you know, we're.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Like committed to making it work. We're committed to having
a family. I think it's just you know, feeling like
I feel like after this summer we would.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Here, oh wow, you heard it here first ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
I just feel like that, you know, my hope because
we're looking at a couple of different strategic partners for
for lover Boy that could help us kind of gain
back that distribution and then some because it's just such
a capital intensive business.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
There's just it's just like a resource game.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
So I'm trying to find ways to you know, get
that get the business to a more stabilized place, and
that would that would change a lot.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Candidly, listen, I got a feeling lover Boy is going
to do huge things. But let's say God forbid it didn't.
You're going to be fine, I got. I mean, it's
very clear to see that you are mover and shake
or my friend, and your work ethic is you know,
it's you're so that's I don't know, that's my older.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, thank you, I mean, love mommy. It's been an
incredible journey. I've had a lot of different startups in
the past. Some never saw the light of day. Some
are successful and some are just you know, full of
learning lessons. And I think that's just all keep going
nutshell and cool.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
I'm proud of you.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
No, I mean, it's it's fun to talk business and
it's fun to give people a little glimpse. I know
that's not why people tune into Bravo, But I also
feel like people seeing the kind of journey we've been
on helps, you know, from a support standpoint, because people
are like, oh, Kyle's actually running this thing, He's actually
building this thing from the game.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, I started my business at fifty and without I
mean I wasn't on the show until I was fifty three.
But I the most the thing I think my strength
says that the best part about all of that is
was showing my kids that, you know, at age fifty,
I was able to create this this thing that I'm

(55:15):
so proud of and I think you got it. But
I've failed at so many It's okay. You just like
that's what makes you. You just succeed as you just
you eat it and you keep moving.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
And you know, I really think that my MYMO has
always been like always be learning all you know you
want to be like a sponge. You want to soak
up the various life lessons and experiences along the way,
cause you never know. Like I never thought i'd be
running a beverage company, but I saw an opportunity and
I was just like I just dove in head first,

(55:51):
and I just feel like I love that. You know,
every little failure is just getting you closer to success.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Chore, my friend, You're gonna be a good daddy.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
How many people say that?

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I'm sorry, Well, I'm smarter than many people, So okay,
I'm gonna let go, But I do need to do
this and say, do you tell me something about the season?
Tell me something that no one knows that you're not
supposed to tell anyone something.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
The season has like some juicy moments there.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
There's like I think that in the past, we've had
some guys joined the show that you know, kept on
like striking out. We're all like, dude, like, you know,
we need to like set you up on dates in
Rule Joint. I know there's been a lot of talk
about Jesse and Lexi just because it's pretty. It's it's
a focal point of the of the trailer. It's a

(56:41):
focal pour of the season. But in Rule as a character,
I mean, this guy has a lot of game. He
changed the course for single guys coming on this show
and striking out.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
He had best two.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
You got to give that up to Wes Wilson.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Oh, yes, yes, yes, but uh and Rule took it
to a whole new level.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
And the one thing I'll say about him Rule, and
I can't wait for people to kind of understand, like
learn his background and learn he's got one of the
craziest stories of anyone I've ever met. And it's not
my story to tell, but he's just like a really
interesting guy.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
You know, everyone's first season. You know, it's it's hard
to tell how much you'll get to know him. But
I mean, wait till you hear you know, his his
kind of background story.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
I'm looking forward to that. I mean, I'm like, so,
I just love all of you guys. I have like
a thing for Carl that I just he just the
man just touches my heart. I hope we get to
see some of him maybe, you know, getting his game on, well, I.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Mean that's a good Ultimately I can understand, you know,
he went from sobriety to you know, going head.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
First into a very serious relationship.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
And having all sorts of doubts about his career when
we were working together, him feeling like, how can I
be working at an alcohol company if I'm sober? Right,
So the guy said, just like one thing after another
where he probably felt like, Man, I thought I'd have
it all figured out at this age, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
And you really at fifty six.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
And so that's what I tell THEMI. Don't stress, bro,
you're young.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
But you start to see him kind of get his
like his footing and feel confident, and you kind of
he kind of gets mojo back, you know, so you'll
see a different side of Carl, which.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I think is nice and.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Good.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
You know, there's, like I said, this is there's a
lot that goes on this season. There's a lot of
people in a lot of different stages of their life.
But you know it's the partying and the socializing the
friendships that kind of brings it all together. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
I love that. I mean again, I'm a huge man
of all of you guys. West was the first that
prept in my heart as little golden tree for puppy
dog ways and I feel very lucky though that I've
gone to get to know all four of you. And
there's another guy now right.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right him Rule. That's the guy. I'm
telling you.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
He's got his his kind of like origin story, like
how he grew up. It's it's it's it's eye opening,
it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Oh that's okay. I thought you were talking about Jesse. No, no, no,
both of okay, got it? Well, okay, you also please
do me a favor, not that they really give a shit,
but if any of the women on Summer House think
that I don't want to interview them, please let them
know that it's my dream and I got very lucky
with the four of you, but it would be an

(59:40):
honor and herdless Clearly, I don't know. I haven't really
met I've met them, but I haven't been able to
really have conversations with them. But I said to like
my producer, it's getting a little gross. Not not for me.
I'm loving it, but like I should probably Okay, I
would die to have Amanda on this show. She's she's

(01:00:00):
a living doll. I would love it all. Okay, my friend,
I can't again thank you enough. Love talking to you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
It's been a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Thanks again for coming out on Friday, and thanks for
having me on your on your podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Absolutely keep in touch with me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
You got it.