Two Jersey Js: Forever a Housewife?

Jackie and Jen address the rumors that have been swirling for months about the status of RHONJ… find out what is happening to the future of the show.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, guys, it's Jackie Goldschneider and Jen Fessler and we
are two Jersey Jays and today we're talking housewives.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, I mean, jack, we've talked about talking about housewives
for a while, and I know we've always like kind
of tried to avoid it a little, just in the
sense that, like, there are so many housewife podcasts, right,
so we haven't really given we're not recapping. We're talking
like you're definitely not recapping. You're right, that's true. No,
but I may ask you a question, no saying it's nice,

(00:33):
I'm glad that we're talking a little house Yeah, No,
for sure. I mean it's a big part of both
our lives.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
What kind of feeling do you get in your like
gut when you open Instagram and there's a rumor about
who's coming back and who's not.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Does it affect you or do you feel sick to
your stomach when you're asking me how I feel now,
it's very different than how I felt right when the
show went off the air and things would come up then,
I actually I took them seriously, but now much less so.
I mean, it's it's because because it's just so constant,

(01:08):
you know, it's like all of these speculations that I
and I I just don't know. I don't. I don't
really buy into it anymore, do you. No.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I mean I do make a call to somebody who
knows more than me and say, hey, is there any.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Truth to this?

Speaker 1 (01:25):
And I do feel better when I call it Jack,
I call Anthony.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I feel like Anthony knows enough people and he knows
enough about everything. Anthony is somebody that Jen and I
are both very close with who knows. It's like a
wizard who knows everything.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
He knows everything about everything that's just housewives. He is
like the oldest young person I've ever known, the best,
just the best.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
But he will always be honest with me and tell
me if there's truth to it or if there's no
truth to it. But I used to care a lot
more like you're right when the show went off the air.
If I saw a rumor that like four people and
my name wasn't on it, I'd be like, oh God.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
And now it's sort of.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Like, to be honest with you, I'm gonna be totally
honest when there's a rumor that certain people are coming back.
I don't know if that means that you and I
are not coming back or we are, because I don't
know if we'd be included in that list since we're.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Fine, just because we're not well. Yes, I always assume
that it includes us. Yeah, yeah, and that just makes
me feel better. Yeah yeah. Would you ask me this, like,
does it depend on who gets recast how you'd feel
about it? Like, let's say we're not recast. Does it matter?
Because I think it probably thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
If I wasn't coming back and I found out that
four people who hate me are, yeah, I'm not gonna
feel good about it. But if the people that I'm
close to and that I really like got cast and
I didn't, but the people who hate me didn't get
cast either, yeah, i'd ride off into the sense I think.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I feel like like certain people will, it would never
upset me, like because they're iconic.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
So yeah, like Melissa goes back and Teresa goes back
like I don't, I don't care. They were on it
way before I came along, and they'll be on it
after I leave. I don't know, Jen, But as it
looks right now, none of.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Us, none of us are coming back anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
So I don't think we have to worry about that.
I think there's a lot of new shows coming up.
We'll talk to our very special guests today about all
of it. But there's a lot of new shows, and
it just makes me feel like Jersey might be sitting.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Out in the corner for a little while longer. Yeah, no,
I definitely think so. But for whatever reason, whoever talks
about it always says not this year, like that's always
the answer, not this year. So does that mean twenty
twenty six? I don't know. I don't know. I mean,
do you talk to anyone from the network. No, But
I mean that's not really No. Andy calls every week.

(04:00):
Yeah I did.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I do speak to him once in a blue moon
I did a radio show and he listened to it
and we spoke about that. But other than that, now,
I don't really bother the network. I'm not one of
those and I've never been. I've never been the person
who called the network. I don't complain about the edit,
I don't complain about anything.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I'm really quiet.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
And back to the point where I reached out to
one of our publicists and I was like, should I
be contacting the network about anything? And she was like, no, no, no,
it's better when you don't.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I don't think. I just don't. I don't think I do.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
People say the squeaky wheel gets the oil, but I
kind of feel like there's a value in not being annoying.
But yeah, so just you know, I live with this
thing in my gut where any day there could be
a phone call saying like I'm like, thank you for
your service, you're no longer needed, or there could be
one saying, hey, we're going to pick up cameras in November, and.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Like they do that? Do they call and say you're
no longer needed, as opposed to just letting well. I
mean when I was demoted, I did get that phone call.
You were still on the show.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
I mean yes, I was still on the show, and
it was a very nice phone call, filled with like
how valuable I still am to the show. But there
was a phone call, nonetheless, So I imagine that they
wouldn't just a longtime cast member. They wouldn't just like
invite everyone else back and like leave you guessing I'm
sure you would get a phone call.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah no, I'm who knows, who knows?

Speaker 1 (05:24):
But anyway, today's guest knows everything, literally everything, and like
nothing is confirmed.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Of course he doesn't work for a Bravo, but he
he's like the housewife whisperer. Today's guest is he really is?

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Right?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
He's like he really is most magnetic kind which you
don't know the kind base Yeah? Yeah, I feel like
all all, if you're a housewife you know and love well,
then tell everyone who it is. It's Dave Quinn. Yay,
David and okay, so are you ready for him? But you, guys,
if you don't know who that is, which you probably
most of you do.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Dave Quinn is with People magazine and I'm almost positive
if you're listening to us you read Diamonds and Rose.
Maybe not, but it's the international hit.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yes, it's New York Times bestseller. And and he's just
like omnipresent. Like every house I knows Dave Quinn so well,
and he's a great sounding board, always gives great advice
and we love him here at two Jersey Jys. So
let's welcome Dave Quinn, the one and only Dave, one
and only Quinn.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Oh, I'm so happy to be here with my two j's.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Have you and since the last time we had you
you have a new role at People, right, I do.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, I'm the deputy news director here now.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
So oh my god, Wow, my gosh.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
It's one of those things where I keep turning around
and saying, shouldn't they have hired an adult to do this?
Oh wait, I'm an.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Adult, imposterson, I know.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
But what what like a thing to name drop? Like,
oh yeah, happened to be the deputy news editor of
People magazine.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
It's like crazy, it sounds pretty fancy. It really does.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Will It is fancy? So congratulations you guys. Are you
guys do quite a party?

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yes, we had. We had a party to launch our
new People app, which if you haven't downloaded, I highly recommend.
It's really fun. And we have actually a reality show
on the People app. Now we're so we're filming a
reality show called The Fourth Wall where it follows the
staff in the creation of each week's issue and it's
absolutely hilarious. I've been on it a few times and

(07:36):
I keep telling everyone, like, listen, if this is going
to get picked up for season two, we need more drama.
Like I keep reminding them, I'm like, someone needs to yell.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
At someone send in one of those housewife producers. They'll
get it out of them.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah, exactly, that's what we need. We need Luke or
someone coming and screaming at someone. But yeah, maybe I
need to have a Maybe I need to have a
housewife come for the fourth Wall episode. I need to
bring a housewife in for the fourth Wall up.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I mean, I'm not currently filming any shows, so I'm
happy to do it.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
So you can come in and cause trouble. You can, really,
you can really turn up the drama around the office
and start some fights.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Not Jen.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Jen's not the troublemaker. She doesn't like the trouble parts.
She likes the other person.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I was hoping that I was going to get another
season to take that opportunity to make some trouble. And
we don't know yet. We don't know, you know yet, Yes,
but it all mapped out well.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Speaking of Housewives, let's just start at the start. I mean,
there are just so many rumors and so many new shows,
and so so let's start with this. There is a
rumor going around that three people from Jersey are coming
back and three newbies are joining them. I have been

(08:49):
told that there's no truth to that rumor. Do you
know anything about that rumor?

Speaker 4 (08:54):
I have been told there's no truth for that rumor
either told it's true. No, No, every single thing that
I have heard has been real consistent, which is just
that the network is not paying attention to it. They've
put it over in the corner and they're just sort
of ignoring it for a while and focusing on other things,

(09:15):
and they'll come back to sort of figure out what
it was. They're looking at casting, they're you know, pulling
people together, but they're sort of not paying attention to it,
is what I've been told.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
That's what I heard too.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Can I just tell you something. The number of people
who come up to me and they're like, yeah, the
show called.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Me, but I didn't want to do it.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Like the number of people who think that you just
get a call on the next day you start filming
is for years.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yes, I just like I want to be like, no, no,
you don't understand, like you probably wouldn't get it anyway.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I can't say it. I had somebody say to me
once at a party like, oh Andy's like been asking
me to do it for years, Like just like I'm like, yeah,
I'm sure, Like you live three blocks for me, You're
not get out of here.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, yes, ideas famous. It happens to famous people too.
Janat Kramer very famously talked about how she had been
approached to do the Real House. So I's a Beverly
Hills and then I like was inter I was working
on the book at the time, So I asked the
casting director and she's like, oh, yeah, she was pitched
to us, but we never pushed her forward, like none
of it. Like so again, it's always like this weird
thing where just because you have the initial conversation doesn't

(10:26):
mean you're going to be on the show by any means.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Dave, I feel like there's been so many New Housewives
since you wrote your book that you need a part too.
Have they approached you about it? A man, because there's
at least like forty new people I.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Know, I think they want a little bit more time
still before a part two. You know, you sort of
separate exactly, not not to jump in on it as quickly,
but I will say there's plenty of story. There would
be a lot that we would have to get into,
and the network has to be ready to have those conversations, right,
because yeah, so much has gone down, even with all

(11:07):
the Ultimate Girls trips and the dramas there, Like, I
feel like there's so much they can't really talk about
right now that they're not really ready to get real
about yet. So I think some distance will be helpful
for them.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
If I could get into Diamonds and Rose, I feel
like I would make I've made it, oh one day.
What do you think of.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
The new shows. I think they're brilliant. I like the
new shows that they announced.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, it's really smart. Listen. It makes perfect sense to
me in my brain, the way everything is organized. You know,
if you're looking at New Jersey, for example, there's a
lot of salaries on there that are really high. And
though the ratings are great for Jersey, I think the
problems within the cast and the conflict is a lot
for the network to deal with. In my perspective, I

(11:52):
think they sort of in their minds, say, if we
launch a brand new franchise and now we're dealing with
people who don't have those same salaries requirements, right, you're
getting paid probably each one of them well under one
hundred thousand dollars each. I'm sure they can make the
same sort of a show, you know, I've been seeing,
I've been hearing that Rhode Island has the same sort

(12:13):
of vibe about.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
New Jersey, like grey Italian Italian young moms like Jackie,
and I think that I think that that's the mindset right.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
It's like this franchise is shifting, the popularity is changing
in everybody's views towards housewives, so we could launch new
cities and probably save money in the long run. I'm
sure that's part of the co part of it.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I think I agree too. You think that also, though
they are This is just my theory that they put
us on pause definitely and start a Rhode Island and
it almost gives them so much more leverage to negotiate,
Like we ain't paying those salaries anymore. So you want
to be part of it, great, but you know we
can move on without you.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yeah, I'm sure that's a big part of it as well.
I mean, it's all business in the end, and it
doesn't feel that way because you're sharing your personal lives
and feel so personal. But I think, and I've said
this time and time again, I think the conflict that
was happening with Teresa and the conflict that was happening
with Margaret was equally annoying to them. I don't think
that they were like siding with anybody. I think they

(13:17):
were just annoyed dealing with it all, and they didn't
want to deal with it anymore. They didn't want to
deal with the fighting, and that I won't film with
this person, and I won't be around this person, and
these people won't talk and they won't get along. It's
just too much.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, it was too much for the rest of the
cast too. It was hard to be around.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, and nobody can move forward if nobody wants to
move forward.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
I think of all those new shows, I think I'm
really looking forward to the wife swap one. I think
the thought of and I don't know if the casting
rumors are true, but if they are, like the thought
of Emily Simpson living with Joe Gorga to me is
hysterical and I cannot wait to watch it.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, but Jack, I don't think it works that way.
I don't think that's Oh, I thought the wives are
switching houses. I think that this is why I've heard.
I think it's like I'm right, Dave, it's like four
different episodes. So like in one of the episodes, Emily.
We'll switch with an unknown somewhere in let's say the Midwest.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Oh no, I wanted Emily to live with Joe Gorgah.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
With Shane so bad. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm looking forward
to it.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
I'm hearing it's it's regular people, and I think it's
a smart.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Idea regular just average shows. It's smart. I'm sure it
will will be very fun.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
And I'm sure that Rhode Island won't be the last
New Housewives franchise on the web.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Not at all.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
So is the wife swap thing going to be like
a one and dinner? Is it these same five women
for like multiple seasons?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I don't think. I think it's four episodes.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
And to be like rotating, right, so, like's got.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
A chance at a new wife, right?

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Yes? I think that you'll have one sort of pilot season,
if you will, of four or five episodes, however many
it is, and then I think they'll continue to renew
it if it does well with different housewives.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Oh cool, Oh that's really.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
It sound like it will always be the same people.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I do like how there it seems like there's so
many shows now, like you can springboard off Housewives and
insert yourself in something like this, which I think is
a nice break and sort of nice, you know, even
especially for shows that get canceled, like it's sort of
like a nice consolation prize.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, And I mean I've been watching and paying attention
to what's happening with these franchises for a while now.
Obviously I watch it very closely, and I just don't
really know how much future there is in some of
the same sort of conversations.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Right, Yeah, So let's talk about that, because we have
more questions than just like existing shows, more like deep
dives into what makes the franchise great and how long
that can can keep going. So just in general, how
how long can these shows go with this formula?

Speaker 4 (16:04):
I think they've gone much longer than anybody who's making
them actually imagined them to go. I think most of
the people who've been working on these shows for a
while have been wondering when is the end coming? And
I'm not really sure. I know that there's constant pressure
when you're filming these shows to have story, and that
story forces I think people to put a lot of

(16:28):
conflicts forward and put a lot of things forward in
their lives that aren't normally what they're going through. That's
why you see so many like marriage renewals and things
like that, right just because there's like a need for
story and unfortunately a.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Fan of the marriage renewal. I don't think O marriages
aren't a fan of the marriage renewal either, by the way.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
And I think what happens is that you have a
lot of these people who hear a small little roomor
online and feel like, Okay, that's an opportunity for story.
Now we're going to bring it out, and now we're
going to fight about it, and it becomes really damaging
to the participants who are doing the show right because
now people are spreading rumors about husbands and businesses and

(17:12):
it just becomes so hard to get through. And I
don't know, I mean, I don't think that the network
necessarily is trying to stop that from happening. I think
that they recognize that there needs to be a hook
for people to watch and there needs to be drama.
But if you look at a show like Atlanta this season,
which has had a lot of drama, the ratings really

(17:34):
aren't there because the fans just seem to be sort
of fickle. They sort of they want all these things
that they're never going to get and they'ren't happy all
the time. If Nini came back to Atlanta tomorrow, they
would be so happy, But then they would watch and
complain how boring it is, right, you know, it's like
it just is.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's what does the end look like? It doesn't look
like all the show is just going off the air,
does it.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
I think it looks one by one those shows sort
of going into retirement and putting me over there in
the pause world.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Sorry to interpret, I've got ato Like what so if
it wasn't like this back in the day, and I'm
thinking of the classics, right, I'm thinking of Ronie and
I'm thinking about Jersey. So it wasn't all like they
weren't basing it around rumor mills, and like, how did
it work? Was it because it was novel and new

(18:28):
that everyone was so into it, or was it that
there was just such a different dynamic They really had
friend groups people that were actually you think that's it?

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, And I think that's the big thing. Right when
all of these shows started, they were based around core
groups of friends where there was a dynamic there that
was interesting in some capacity as the years went on,
of course, to expand and to grow and to change
and evolve the show. They added people into a point
where a lot of these shows feel like they're not
really friends, they're sort of cast to be friends. Is

(19:00):
a perfect example. You know, when the show got recast,
it was after, you know, in the midst of the
Black Lives Matter movement, a lot of conflicts going on
behind the scenes, audiences feeling like it didn't represent the
real New York. So they went out and found what
they considered to be right the real New York. And
they cast a bunch of women who some who knew
each other, some who were acquaintances, and put them all

(19:23):
together and said, look at this beautiful, ethnically diverse group
of women that represent New York. Here you go, camera's up. Well,
all those women came into the show knowing exactly what
the show is, knowing what it could do for their
businesses and their brands, and whether they admitted or not,
they were all producing themselves. They were all pretending to
be something they weren't. They were all holding back things.

(19:44):
You have somebody like Jenna Lyon saying I'm not going
to talk about my relationship, I'm not going to show
my kid anymore. I'm not going to you know, she
had a yard sale or a tag sale, and she
wouldn't even tell them how much she made at the sale.
Right It's all this like I'm putting down boundaries. And
while I respect boundaries, it becomes really challenging when you're
watching a show where everyone has boundaries and you sort

(20:04):
of can tell that nothing is real, that it's all
sort of phony nonsense, and the fights that you're really
seeing are more about the show than about the people themselves.
It's more about, like, I'm mad at you for painting
me as the villain because the audience is going to
hate me and it's going to affect my business. Right Like,
that's sort of the way everyone is thinking. I think
it's much easier for the network to say, Okay, New York,

(20:26):
you go over there. We don't have to deal with
you for now. We'll try and find a real cast
down the line. But let's look at Rhode Island. Look
at these real women who are all really good friends
and they've known each other forever, and this will be
a good show. Right Like that sort of makes sense
to me.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Oh, why I'm interrupting so much. Excuse me, you guys,
I don't mean to, but my question is, do you
think also because like I remember when Rony started, when
Jersey started, the women were so they weren't typical, like
they were nuts. Like I don't have a Primona singer
in my life, do you know what I mean? I
didn't have anyone from Jersey that could that. I didn't

(21:02):
interact with people the way that they did. And I
know they were authentic friends, but also they were so quirky.
You know, maybe that's hard to find because like now
it's you're right, it's people that are that have it together,
that are producing themselves as opposed to these women that
were floundering around who knew what was going to happen next.
But I remember just watching specifically Ramona, who I just loved,

(21:25):
and thinking who what, Like, where are you coming from?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Young woman literally shit her pants on television and didn't care.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, her personality was so eccentric, and I remember thinking
it was so fascinating and like, I don't find that,
you know as much.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Even tensely crying at the circus, Like god, if I
reach back in the archives, it was just brilliant, like
everything was just brilliant, but there was deep.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Intense like fighting back in the day.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I mean when you when I people like to say like, oh,
wasn't dark back then, but like I don't know Kyle
and the whole like blaming her sister for stealing her
house and being an.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Alcohol like that was dark. I mean Taylor's husband committed suicide.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
I mean, like there was dark, it just wasn't manufactured dark.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
It was so authentic, And I think that's the difference.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Right, It wasn't I heard a rumor that your husband
is cheating nonsense.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
It wasn't that kind of dark.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
It was like I've reached the end with like pretending
this doesn't exist and like outing things on the show.
But they were real things, you know, which is why
that's what the difference is.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
And the show is always the most interesting when there
are those moments when Kyle and Lisa vander Pump are
falling out and you know that that was a real
friendship and the reason they're falling out is kind of
because of the show and they can't really talk about it,
but they're trying to talk about it, Like that's when
it's most interesting. But I agree with you, Jen, like
it's hard to find a Ramona singer, and Jersey's a

(22:54):
perfect example taking YouTube out of the equation because I
don't want to talk about you both here, but like,
I think we've heard it all. No, but I think
like Margaret's a good example of someone who's like kind
of a character, right, You're like, okay, you're a bit
of a character. And then you have someone like Ambermorksey
who joined pretending to be a character and like faked
it the whole time and it never really worked right.

(23:14):
So it's like you have to be somebody who is
just one hundred percent authentically yourself, which is very difficult
to do. We are all aware now of what people
perceive us to be. We have social media platforms that
are curated and we're paying attention to comments and likes,
and I think it's really difficult to go on television

(23:34):
and be one hundred percent yourself without being worried about
what people say.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
I agree. So what do you.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Think in terms of housewives? Do you think that because
there's a lot of controversy over how old should a
housewife be, So like on Jersey, we had some that
were very very young, we had some that were older
do you think it should be somebody with a lot
of life experience and somebody wealthy that we can watch
and they want to emulate, or someone crazy, or should

(24:09):
it be younger women that we could watch their families
grow and watch their kids grow up on camera?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Like, what do you think is better?

Speaker 4 (24:17):
I think a good mix is the best way to
go about it. You know, again we come back to
early seasons of New York. You want the Jills Aaron
and the Bethany Frankel. You want the person who is
a little bit more established in society and also somebody
who may be an up and comer, and to see
how they all interact with one another. I think it's
good to have a good mix, because there is. It's

(24:38):
the lesson of Housewives for me has always been women
have value in society in times that entertainment often sort
of overlooked them and threw them away, Right, So I
definitely think that of a certain age air quote like,
you know, an older female has a lot of incredible
story to tell and deserves that platform.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, I mean I talked to somebody actually picked up
something that I said on a podcast recently, and I
was saying something to the effect of like I don't
care about you know, your babies and your carpool. And
then someone picked it up and said that I was
trying to dis Rachel Fuda or I was dissing young
I'm like, no, it's not that at all. I wasn't thinking.

(25:21):
I am literally saying I personally what I'm interested in
is more aligned with someone who is older. It's like,
I'm more interested in watching women. I don't really want
to hear women discuss menopause necessarily, but you guys know
what I'm saying, Like I want to hear about vaginal
dryness as opposed to like like in a funny, colorful

(25:43):
way for me. But that doesn't mean that I do.
I did bond weirdly enough with Rachel Fuda the first
season in a way that was totally organic, and I
think people thought it was really interesting, you know, But
I don't know. I mean, I I personally like, I
think that I like watching women at a certain age
a little bit better.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
I do too. What I'm fascinated by is the idea
of society painting you to be one thing. Right. You're
a mom, and you spend your life being a mom
and raising a child and that child eventually goes away,
and then what is your identity beyond that? And I
think it's fascinating to what women like Ninny, women like
Jill Zaren, women who X Y and Z have like

(26:25):
in the past, have stepped into their power through this
platform and created a whole second life for themselves. That's
really fascinating to me.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I agree. What about wealth?

Speaker 1 (26:35):
You know, a lot of people say the Housewives should
be wealthy. I know you said that people who are
established versus up and comers, But wealth wise, does it
change the Housewives brand when you have people who you
know live in a peeny, tiny little house and are
obviously have no money.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
I think that ultimately Housewives works when there's wealth involved
because it's it comes back to the concept of the show,
which originally was behind the gates, right. It was to
look into sort of this universe of rich people where
you didn't normally get to see. And I think that
people like the aspirational quality towards Housewives.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Don't you think they also like watching wealthy women like
go down like I don't know, like you, of course,
there's always a certain amount of I had it right,
I'm watching Lisa vander Pomp. Although I loved her, I
never wanted anything to happen to her. But like when
you're watching I don't know some of the really wealthy
women and it's not so perfect as it looks well watching.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Det now and now there's all these rumors about Derret's money,
right right, de dresses head to toe and like ten
thousand dollars outfits every day. But now, you know, I
do think that some people are enjoying that potential the downfall.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I really like her.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
I like her too, but listen, like watching the downfall
of somebody on television, it's a tried and true formula, right,
and it's always going to be the way the network
sees it. I'm sure, by the way, I don't work
for the network. I'm not a network spokesperson, but I'm
sure the way they all look at this is like
this is great story.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
You know, it's I mean, it's like wow, just watch
the Valley Wow.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Or like look at someone like Erica, like we've sort
of watched this journey. If they would have left Erica
when she lost her money and they were like you're
not valuable anymore, we wouldn't have gotten to see sort
of the way that she stood up after the lowest
moment in her life. And that's fascinating, that's inspirational, that's
a reminder of really.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
All of us.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
You know. The thing that housewives hear the most. I'm
sure that you can both attest. It's not people aren't
like they don't remember they oh, you cursed this person
out or you said that really funny thing. It's like
the story that you shared. I mean, how many people
Jackie come up to you and talk to you.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
About Oh, yeah, I think that's my legacy. I was
afraid my legacy.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Would be finale at rails, but it's not. Turns out
people much more often want to talk about the eating
disorder stuff, which makes me really proud.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
You know, it's that is what hooks people to these people.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
How about this idea of term limits on a housewife
so that which I think is actually brilliant. So you
don't get to this point where you have to invent
a storyline to stay relevant, or you don't have to
go over and above and be like the nasty one
to stay in the story. You know what I'm saying, Like,
if you knew that you had six seasons at a

(29:36):
Max and then you were gone. You wouldn't need to,
you know, keep clawing for something to keep you.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I don't think I disagree. I think that would not
work at all. I think that, first of all, the
clawing is part of I hate to say it, but
as part of the fun I think for the audience.
But I don't know, I feel like you could even
kind of give up at the end. But I always

(30:02):
do say this, like, you got to follow the money.
If the ratings are coming in and you're bringing in
a certain amount of money, everyone is to pay their
mortgage the exact sit Bravo too, So why give limits
if the person is a money maker? Right? I mean
I always think sort of follow the money.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah, I see that too. Ultimately, I'm one of two
ways about it. I can totally see how certain people
feel the need to stay relevant and therefore are clamoring
and inventing things and trying to sort of center themselves
in the drama. But I do feel like they would
be that way even if they weren't on television. You know.

(30:42):
I always use Karen Huger as example, Like, Karen Huger
is somebody who if you speak to her, she's pretty
cagey about her real life, and you could tell that
she's sort of putting on a persona. But that's who
she is if she wasn't on TV, you know, like
that would be who she was if you met her
at a party. So I think that's the personality of
somebody who is trying to center themselves in conversation and

(31:04):
drama exists even if the cameras aren't there, they would
still be doing that within their friend's circle. I believe
I'm very Nostalgia's a very powerful emotion, and I'm very nostalgic.
So I find myself missing a lot of former housewives
and wanting to see them on TV and just really
feeling nostalgic about the time that I spent with them.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Me too.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
But at the same time, Yeah, but the fans don
aren't like that. I mean, I always use Chara as
an example. They fired Charai three times, Like the fans
beg for her to come back, and then when she's there,
they're like, get rid of her. She's boring, you know.
So it's like, it's so frustrating the way the fan
base works, because I think that they don't recognize what
they want. They just seem to be you.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Know, they'll ever brings back.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
I do not, and I think it's a mistake. Like
I just feel like that show would be so much
more interesting if Derinda and Luanne and maybe even Sonya
were in the mix. Like, I just think it would
be so much more interesting to see that mixture of personality.
But the network made a choice and they they said

(32:15):
let's try and swing big, and I don't think it
really worked as they wanted it to. So I think
they're trying to figure out what to do next.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, with that, So there's lots of rumors about the
New New York. Do you think they're done or do
you think that they'll bring that one back? I mean
Jersey aside. Are they just slowly letting older shows go
to bed?

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Yeah, I mean the network never really says they cancel anything,
you know, And I don't think Real Housewives the Dallas
was canceled. I don't think Dubai has been canceled, right
they're just not renewed or they're not in the cycle
right now. I think they've made it very clear once
that page six story came out, which by the way,
never said the show was canceled. The fans interpreted it

(33:01):
that way all the show. All it said was that,
you know, the show wasn't really being filmed right now,
which it's not being filmed right now, and it wasn't
announced as Upfronts is being renewed. So you know, we're
still in this mix of what are they going to
do with New York. They've said they're looking into other women.
There's every day I see another report that you know,

(33:23):
they're casting new people, but I'm not necessarily sure they're
doing anything with it. I think they've put it right
next to Jersey and they've said, we'll come back to you.
Let's focus on these new ones.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Brandy Glanville gave an interview and she says a lot
of stuff, but she called the Real Housewives.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Life ruining TV. Do you think that that's true?

Speaker 4 (33:46):
First of all, I love Brandy Glanville so much, and
you are you close? We're not close, but but I
love her.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
I love that you love her.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
I love Messy because you love Messy right like I
love that.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
I feel as though I feel protective over all of y'all,
you know what I mean, because I think that it's
difficult to navigate this situation. I think the network is
a business. At the end of the day, Bravo is
a business, and they can't care about everybody and treat
everybody as a priority. The business is the priority. In
the same way that if I became a problem for

(34:22):
People Magazine, I would assume People Magazine would move on, right.
It just is sort of the way it works. And
she became somebody who didn't fit in with their business
model anymore, and that's sort of the way. But I
don't think it was because she did anything that she
didn't think was the right thing to do and challenging.
When you look at the whole situation from behind, is

(34:43):
it life ruining, And certainly in her experience it seems
to have been. But I also think it's life ruining
if you let it be life ruining, If you put
all of your thoughts and hopes and futures and prayers
into this vehicle, I think it becomes really challenging for sure.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, I remember, Dave, you and I don't know if
you'll remember, we had a very long talk one night.
I mean it must have been maybe it was two
years ago, and like I remember, just like I feel
like everyone should have to sit down with Dave Quinn
before they sign up. No, and it's not because because
it's just your very insightful and even like the things

(35:24):
that you're saying now, they really resonate with me, like
if you allow it to be life ruining, and I
think that that's so important and for myself, even over
something that's happening or that I read about or that
I hear this one is doing this, And then I
always have to go like I always step back or
I call one of my friends will say to me,
you're a loser, like you got to like you need

(35:47):
to relax, Like I got a whole life before I
got on the show, and I got a whole life
after this show. And it's like I found myself getting
pulled into that. I know, Jack, you have to and
then all of a sudden, you go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I was happy before, I'm gonna be happy after. It's
not like this is not my whole life. But it

(36:09):
sucks you in good.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
Of course it does. If everybody in the world was
telling me what I whether I'm valuable or not right,
and that like I would feel I would have a
really hard time seeing my own self worth because I
would be judging it all through their eyes. That's why
I think it's really difficult to do this job. It's
why I have such respect and kindness for everybody who
does it, because at the end of the day, I'm

(36:31):
not judging you. I don't care. I'm judging myself.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
So we know that on screen, like craziness, drama is ratings.
Do you think that there is some social responsibility when
somebody has a substance abuse problem to stop filming with them?
So take Karen Huger, who I actually really love personally,
you too, or like Jax Taylor who was in rehabit

(37:03):
and missed half the season. Is there is there a
social responsibility or is it just hey, like if they're
only harming themselves, like, let's keep rolling.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
I mean, this is the eternal moral question, right At
what point does it stop being entertainment and start being
you know, taking advantage of somebody. I think it's really difficult.
I'm twelve years sober, I'm active in my sobriety and
in my recovery. If I was in the height of
using and that was being filmed, I don't know. I mean,

(37:36):
there's a benefit to that Carl Raki always says, I
don't think I would have gotten sober had it been
for the show, because it showed me what was happening,
and the people on that I worked with were like,
you have a problem, you need to get help for it.
This may be the most important thing in Jack Taylor's
life that he was able to do this on camera.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
It's interesting.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
At the same time, it's you know, it can feel like, wow,
we're really taking advantage of somebody, especially with meal health issue,
and when that sort of comes into play at their
hardest point. And I think Liam McSweeney's whole argument right
now that she's dealing with in the courts is like, listen,
I was an addict and I was in the midst

(38:16):
of a relapse and nobody cared for me, and in fact,
they took advantage of that by making sure that alcohol
was readily available and not giving me the time that
I needed to take care of myself.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Agree with you? Do you agree with her? With her?
I'm talking particularly Leah. Do you agree with her stance?

Speaker 4 (38:33):
I don't disagree with it. That's the thing. I don't
agree or disagree. I understand what she's saying, and I
totally recognize that if I were in her shoes, I
would feel the exact same way about it. But it's
not my place to say whether that's right or wrong.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
I don't Well, it's not mine either, but.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I think I know, well, it's a lot more complicated
than just one issue. So if you listen to the
Bravo Docket, which I love, do you listen to that?
They go through the entire case, and like, there are
some things I agree with and some that I don't like.
You went on a show that she knows requires like
craziness and drama and said, hey, I'm going to be

(39:09):
sober and not do any of that stuff. And at
what point does the show owe it to her to
you know? Like there's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Big questions within it. I was just gonna say, like
within any industry, I mean, you can find lots of
alcohol and people pressuring you to come and drink with them,
and I don't know, I just I I understand that
it must have been hard for her. I'm not taking
that away, but I don't know that it was anyone

(39:40):
else's fault, right, Yeah, And I agree with that.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I can't imagine that the intention
of any of these people. It's always so easy to
view production or the network or even other housewives just
like evil beings stirring a cauldron behind the scenes, being
like moha ruin their lives. Like, I just don't think
that's the way it works. That being said, I'm sure
the producer felt a certain amount of pressure to create

(40:05):
some sort of storyline because I'm sure somebody was saying,
you know, nothing's happening this season, and we need to
dot that out right. So it's like there's pressure coming
from all over the place. It's a hard environment to
be in. But they also cast Leah in that knowing
fully well that's what she was going through. So now
you're an employer who essentially is taking not taking care

(40:27):
of your employee. That's also confusing, right, So there's there's
so many layers to it. I wish it was black
and whit would be so much easier to understand.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
All right, So, Dave, so what's the next show to
fall look in your magic ball?

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Oh gosh, my gosh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I think that Yeah, New York, New Jersey on pause.
Dubai basically probably finished. Dallas is never coming back. But
I loved Dallas.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
I love Dallas.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I really did too, and I thought their last season
was actually really great. So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
It's confusing to me how they make these decisions. But
we'll see how Rhode Island goes. So, Salt Lake City
is doing great. Really, he'll still doing great. Ocean County
still doing great. Orange I mean, sorry, Orange County.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
I think Orange County will be the next to fall,
that's my instinct. I think I think it will be
a decision at twenty. I think they're at nineteen now.
Next season will be twenty, and I think they'll sort
of that's a good like we've done twenty years on
this show. Next, that's what I know.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Is it going to be like the decluttering principle where
one thing goes out and another thing comes in.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yes, I think.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
That there will be more cities to come. And the
network has built its entire likely livelihood rather on these shows,
so I can't imagine that they'll be walking away from
them anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
It's so interesting because I was saying that I am
so like you were talking about nostalgia. I too feel
so nostalgic, specifically about some of the ogs, and so
when they are no longer on my show, it's setting
to me. But the truth is, now, if I'm thinking
about it, like, there are a lot of ogs that
are still around, and after a while, I think maybe

(42:08):
they get boring. It's theirs, because I mean, who wouldn't.
It's not their fault, but they're offering up the same thing.
I think it's only it's only Teresa and Kyle are ogs, right, No,
they're I mean the whole cast of Salt Lake.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
But that's not right when you're talking about the long
standing shows left. No, I think those are the only
two first season housewives who have.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Written about.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Vicky.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
I know, but like which whatever, Like you could feel
nostalgic for Vicky, but also it was kind of the
same stick.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Right, Yeah, things kind of get all But but.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
I'm more interested in the world outside of Housewives. I'm
always curious as sort of the way Bravo grows there
programming Slate. I think that Summer House has become sort
of a juggernaut for them now. It's like it's delivered
really good ratings and people are very invested in that
those characters, and they've been going for much longer than
I think anyone anticipated at first, and Southern Charm has

(43:09):
sort of continued to reinvent itself, although I don't think
it's always been successful at that. And I'm sort of curious, like,
what are those new shows? The Valley seems to be
doing well so that, but that feels such so connected
to vander Pump Rules. I'm just waiting for what the
next not Bravo hit is.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
That's what I'm Isn't it aren't share shaws of Was
it again that they're getting a valley that they're now
getting a new like a valley thing, right?

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Yeah, but I still will miss them more. There's more
out there that we haven't really touched. And I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Do you have any ideas?

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Oh gosh, no, I don't. I'm not. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
In five years from now, you think that the Housewives
landscape is going to look very different. The existing shows
are not all going to be there, and it's going
to be a lot of new ones with lower salaries.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Yeah, And I think that's just business. It just makes
perfect sense, you know, if the ratings are dwindling and
things are changing, I wouldn't be surprised if they just
found newer cities too.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, And to be honest, this Rhode Island Cast, I
mean some of the things I've heard about them, I'm
so excited to watch I want to just inject it
into my veins. Have you read this one really whose
husband's career is a Frank Sinatra impersonator.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
That's incredible. Yeah, I've heard a lot about the Rhode
Island Cast. And I used to live in Rhode Island.
I went to college there, and I have a four
oh one area code phone number still because I got
my cell phone when I was in Rhode Island. So
I have a lot of positive feelings towards the Ocean State,
and I'm really excited to see what they what they

(44:44):
turned that franchise into. And everyone keeps.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Asking RD Island and people keep asking like where are
they going to be filming?

Speaker 4 (44:52):
But the whole state is so small you can drop
the whole thing in an hour. So I think they're
going to be filming all over, you know. I just
think that it's going to be There's gonna be people
in cran and there's gonna be people in Narraganza, and
there's gonna be people in Newport and Warwick, and Providence.
I just think they're gonna be everywhere. I can't wait
to see how it all turns down. And it's gonna
be fun. I think, to have another East Coast franchise

(45:13):
in a place that kind of like Potomac right where
people didn't really know anything about or you know, and
and get to see a whole group of people, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
I keep I always like waiting for Boca or Long
Island or like the obvious choices. It's so interesting to
me that they they and I'm like Rhode Island.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I think I think that the network is probably staring
clear of any ethnic shows that have to do with
any kind of wars right now, you know, because in
terms of like Boca and Long Islands, you know, I
think that.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Motions tied to all of that, you know, for years,
So I thought, like, what about Boca. It's so to
me it was just like it was prime primed for.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I think it's very Republican and I don't know that
that's Bravo's brand in Boca.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Well, again, it becomes it becomes political in ways that
I always argue I don't really care about. I certainly
have my own political beliefs. But I like to watch
TV and feel like I'm looking into a window, not
into a mirror. I don't want to see me or
my life. It's very boring, you know, or my views.
I want to see people who have different perspectives on things.

(46:25):
And I think we all need to be a lot
less judgmental and critical. I think we sort of need to.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Like, Amen, Amen.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
You're talking to somebody who deleted all in social media
and hasn't been online in two years.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
I can't believe that you haven't been back yet. That's
amazing to me. I love it because of it.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
God, yeah, much very much. So I've stopped. I have
no idea what anyone says about me, and it's lovely.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Really, I love it.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
By the way, I was listening to Watchful Crappens the
other day and they were saying they they mentioned you,
and they were like.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah, Dave Quentin disappeared, like you're well go and like
he hasn't been seen since, but he's working away, he's
plugging away, but like no one knows where he is
where he is.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
But I love that. What bad things, what anyone say
about you?

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I can't even know, no one ever says a bad
word about you.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Oh, I know. I'll let you know. The people don't
like me, it's no problem, you know. The truth at
the end of the day is that I like me
and I just don't.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Really we love you.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
I don't want to worry about all that stuff. And
if you have something to say about me, you better
say it behind my back because I don't care. I
don't want to know, and I would much prefer to, like,
you know, live in my own internal bliss of just
feeling happy about myself and not feeling stressed out of me.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I do have to say I signed up of Instagram
when Finale was airing last year for a month, and
it was really freeing.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
It's wonderful to sort of be away from it. I
do think if if I had any I mean, you know,
I've given a lot of advice to housewives. I've given
both of you a lot of advice. Jackie, I met
you before your season started hearing Yeah, and gave you
this whole thing. I do think that, like the number
one thing that would be so helpful for every housewife
is not to be on social media. It's just like,
if you can afford to hire someone to post for you.

(48:10):
Just do that and just move forward and not look
at it.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, and it doesn't even end on the show ends,
because I saw yesterday that Mia, well by the time
this airs, I'm not sure when this is airing, but
Mia is now telling the cast of Potomac that they
better not be talking about her or she'll sue them
for defamation. And like it's just like you're, you're done,
move on with the life, like you know they're going
to talk about you, but like you know, it just

(48:36):
stays and it weighs on you, and like it keeps
you like aggravated.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
You know, picture like that being like if I logged
off of not now because no one's really talking about
me now, but like if I had logged off of
social media because I'm always like, well, I'm gonna miss
you know, the people in my life and just had
like a private account with my non Housewives people, you know,
the people that I always was on Facebook with their
birthdays because it popped up on Facebook, Like that would

(49:03):
be I could probably compromise in that way. I wouldn't
feel so like I was, you know, missing out.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
It is I think, yeah, everywhere you go, people are
going to ask you about this show. And that's the
one thing that Caroline Manze said to me once that
it really resonated with me. Or She's like, it's been
sixteen years and people still ask me about a table
flip that I didn't even do. Like for the rest
of my life, people are going to be asking me
about this stuff. And it's just you have to think
of it that way. Is that like it there's no

(49:30):
escape for you all. You're forever a part of this franchise.
Whether you liked it or not, you signed up.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I actually love that I loved it. I loved my
experience on the show.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
There have been moments, of course, but I love the network,
I love the show, and I don't mind being associated
with it.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Yeah, And that's the thing I like. It's a mindset, right,
It's like, if they're always going to be coming to
me and talking to me about this thing, then I
have to be able to live with it and to
waist forward for it. So I recognize how difficult it
is for everyone. That's why I am very proud of
the fact that I've always sort of stayed in a positive,
loving kindness mentality, and I.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Think that's why everyone gravitates to you. I'm like, there
will be times when I'm on the phone with Dave,
We're like six housewives, they'll call through.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
You are. You are like a very calming and but
like you know everything. You are the people magazine of
the tabloids. Yes, like rise above, you are the fair,
equitable and kind. Well, I guess People's not a tabloid,
but you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
No, of course I understand exactly what you mean, and
I'm proud of that. Listen, I got to be able
to put my head down at the end of the night.
And I think that there's no there's nothing wrong with
fans wanting to have fun with all of this. It
is entertainment, I get it. But I do think that
there's a line cross that often happens where they don't
really understand the difference between like the silly and the

(50:58):
you know, serious, and they get really intense, and I
feel pretty bad for them. They did it towards me.
There were there were death rumors. By the way, when
I Instagram, I don't know, there were there were Reddit
boards and people were sending me told me scared out
of their mind that I killed myself. I was like, no, sorry,

(51:22):
look pretty good for a dead bitch.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Well, I feel like I could ask you questions all day, Jen,
Do you have anything else?

Speaker 2 (51:29):
A million more? I know I really do too. But
I think I think this was wait wait because you
had something. You and I talked about something.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I want to know, like you said, like, who is
who do you think is the best housewife?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Best housewife of all time? Taking me and Jen out
of it. You know, obviously I.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Don't think you.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
I mean I long have people that I would put
on my mount rushmore of housewives that I think are
really good housewives. I really am a respector villain sort
of a guy. You know. I look at people like
Lisa Renna and I you know, I appreciate what they
brought to the show because I know how hard it
is to be the messy person, and I think that

(52:10):
they advance storyline in that way, and I look towards
people like that. The one I relate the most too
is Caroline Manzo. She's just always been my go to
favorite housewife because she reminds me a lot of you know,
my Italian family and sort of what I look for
in a person that loyalty, that like love and that
unconditional love kids, which just really yeah, you know, I

(52:33):
love that answer.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I would have not thought that you would have said that.
I would have not that. But there's a lot of
absolute sense.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Yeah, and there's a lot of different things. I mean,
I don't think there's any bad housewise. The truth is
like even the ones that people don't like, I've been like,
there's stuff I can find it in them that I
find enjoyable to watch.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Yeah, there's a lot of one and done's that I
don't agree with. I think they should have stuck around,
even like Noela on Ocean County, like I thought she
was chuck four.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I do get that. Why did she get fired? She
was cuckoo in the kookiest way. I don't Orange County.
I keep calling it Oceans That's okay.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Sometimes there's a thing as much too much storyline. I
think bron Wind and Burke out with the same situation,
like there's too much storyline for the audience to digest,
and it becomes really it feels very manufactured. Mea as
somebody else who dealt with that too much going on
in their lives. You know, you are like and I mean,
you need to slowly peel it back and she'll be

(53:29):
a fired I don't think so. I think that they
would have filmed with me again, but I think Mia
wasn't living in Potomac anymore, so that sort of makes
it hard to be on the Real Housewives of Potomac.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
But I don't know for sure. I didn't really inquire
about that one.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
This is just a personal thing. Where do you What
do you think of Bethany?

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Oh, it's so funny. Bethany is was and I think
many people feel the same way when you first watched
her on Housewives, Like was the character that we all
fell in love with because she was such a voice
of the people and it felt like her perspective on
things were so funny and so entertaining and so right on.

(54:11):
And she's continued to be somebody who has like used
social media, and you know, well after the show left,
found a way to continue being that voice of the people.
I'm entertained by it. She's always been really lovely to me.
She didn't do my book very famously refused to do
the book, but then talked a lot of shit about it,
which made the sales go up. So thanks Bethany for that.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Wow, I'm surprised you're a fan.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
Well, you know again, like what is.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Lots of people are lots of people are fans of hers?

Speaker 4 (54:42):
What is it going to cost me being I don't know.
I guess that at the end of the day, there's
not really a lot of people I'm not a fan of. Yeah,
you know, it's just that I would say there's two
or three of them that I pretty much don't like
off camera, that I don't really like on camera, and
they are and there are my connection just.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Beler, Metsy, Patsy, well, Dave, we love you and thank
you so much for coming on.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Will you come on again any time?

Speaker 4 (55:10):
Seriously, I love you both so so much and I'm
so grateful. At the end of the day, no matter
what happens to Jersey, you're all icons in my eyes,
and I'm so grateful for all the incredible entertainments that
you've given us as viewers.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Oh, thank you, and we're grateful for you as well,
to say the least. Thanks Dave, thank you,