Two Jersey Js: From Chaos to Calm

Do you have a hard time letting stuff go and the boxes and piles of stuff just keep adding up? Yep, we do!

Jackie and Jenn discuss with Lauren and Nicki from Neat Freaks Home on how to emotionally detach from your things, organize your closet, and advice on how to create a calmer home.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, guys. It's Jen Fessler and Jackie Golschneider and we
are two Jersey Jays. Yes we are, Jen. How are you?
I am well, how are you? You had a big
night last night?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Last night I had I hosted the National Eating Disorder
Association Gala, which was such an amazing moment. I keep
wanting to call it full circle, but full circle means
you started, you end up at the place that you started,
So it's not but it's uh, it was amazing. It's
definitely like when I was, you know, very sick for

(00:32):
so long. It's NITO was an organization that I looked
to and so to now be like on the other
side of this illness and hosting the gala, it was
really special.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
It was beautiful. It's really beautiful. I'm so proud of you. Seriously,
I mean, I know, maybe it's not full circle for you,
but full circle and maybe in terms of helping people
that are still struggling like you were, I don't know, Yeah,
I know it sounds cliche.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I do feel like that's my purpose, Like if they're
there is a reason for all of this or any
of this or all the years I struggled or the
reason why I have a platform. I do think it's
to help people not have to live like I lived.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
But because it's so hard to hear the stories. Is
it hard to hear the stories? Jack, Does it bring
you back? No?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
No, I have no like triggers in terms of other
people struggling.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
It doesn't like set me off. I don't mean it
like that, but it just means me so it must
resonate with you. It's it's sad.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I like I want it to almost like shake them
and be like it's so much better like without.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
It, you know, it's not the way it works.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
No, A lot were parents of people whose struggle. A
lot were people who turned to NITA thirty years ago
and then decided to get involved and have been on
the board.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
There was a wide variety.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
A lot of people there were recovered and just had
had you know, had you used NITA through the years
to recover. So it was a wide mix of people.
But it was a really nice It.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Was the first time we met. I don't and you
don't even remember meeting me there, but I remember meeting you.
It was at the dress for a success event. Of
course I remember meeting you. You ate you came with
a big suitcase full shoes, shoes and majors. But also
I just remember you speaking this room full of women
who had either been incarcerated or were coming out of

(02:30):
such you know, severe poverty and rest for success. It's
this amazing organization obviously that helps them to get jobs
and interview skills and so. But you spoke, and you
were able to connect so beautifully with these women, and
you know, you have never been obviously incarcerated, and you
didn't grow up in poverty, but you were able to

(02:50):
go out your own Everybody obviously has trauma in their life,
and everybody goes through stuff. But I just I will
never forget thinking that you were just such an amazing
speaker and also had such a great ability to connect
with these women who hadn't gone through you know, you
hadn't gone through what they had. But so I can
only imagine you talking to people who have gone through
the similar struggles. You know, must have been so great

(03:12):
for them.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, I mean I do love public speaking. Maybe that's
why I love podcasting, or maybe I just have a.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Great co host. So yes, it's all me. You get
it from me.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Crazy News Day. Uh, you know this will air a
few days after we record. But yesterday I saw that
Liam Payne died. That's that's crazy. Whenever a young person
with so much talent dies, it just it breaks my heart.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
It showed like him snapchat not snapchatting, what is it called? Yeah,
it was snapchat as it's not. I kept up with
his crap, but like right before and he was so lucid,
and I guess he had a He had a woman
that he was having breakfast with and they were just
chit chatting, and then an hour later or something, it
all turned yea addiction socks man, life can change? Really?

(04:05):
Did he have addiction issues? I knew nothing about it.
That's why I don't know for sure, because he's been alleged.
I don't know, but I mean, that's what they're saying
on the news that he struggled for years.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Thirty one years old time. You know, don't sweat the
small stuff. That was a book, right, Did you ever
read that?

Speaker 1 (04:22):
You know? A book I bought the other day.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I went through a want to change my life little
like thing the other day and I ran the Barnes
and Noble and I bought this book called Atomic Habits.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Did you ever read it, No, never heard of it.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
It is phenomenal, really like the number one self help
book in the world. It's about making really small changes
to your habits and uh them compiling into these amazing
life changes. It's really good.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
But speaking of that, yes, I was going to say,
you are teeing beautifully.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, it sort of like translates into what we're talking
about today, So why don't you take it away?

Speaker 1 (04:57):
So you guys were actually very excited about today's episode,
and I know that both of us, actually Jackie, feel
like we're going to get a lot out of this
one because we're talking about chaos, about home organizing, about stuff,
having too much of it, how to deal with it.
And I know, because we've spoken about it, Jackie, that

(05:19):
we both suffer from Maybe we're not hoarders, but I
have a very hard time throwing things away and as
a result, really hard time. Yep. And as a result,
you know, you walk into my house, my house is neat,
and you know, from what you can see, everything has
a place. Just don't open a drawer or go into

(05:39):
my basement, because that's what I do. I just actually
just avoid the basement at all costs because it just
depresses me, even mind I get closet for friends.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Remember they had that closet where you open it and
like everything would just come falling out.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yes, that was my locker in high school, and I
remember being so and it is funny, but I remember
just being so embarrassed by it. Like everybody else and
my friends, it was funny to all of us, but
it wasn't really funny. Like I remember going to just
to shove stuff in and pull out and I couldn't
find anything, and it was kind of depressing, you know,

(06:15):
it was not like that happily anymore. It's not you know,
it's not I think that was probably also about a
little bit of depression as a teenager.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
But anyway, you know, it's hard because there's I don't
know where the line is. So like I have some
friends who are like, ugh, I throw everything out. I
I throw it out while people are still using it,
Like I do.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I have no problem. I hate stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
And then I have other people who are like me,
where everything you see the sentimental value in everything, you
see the potential future use in everything, and it's just hard,
you know. So one of the reasons why this is
so pertinent to middle aged women specifically, is because we
are that sand which generation where we have we're taking

(07:03):
care of parents and children, and even if your children
are not in the home anymore, you're still you still
have all of your kids stuff. They're not that old, right,
they're like either teenagers or early twenties.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
And your parents they're old, but you have all of
their stuff, you know, So we just not just not
just parents either. Yeah. So because I don't know if
you have this, Jack, but because in my family, I
have the biggest home. Like so Thanksgiving is always here,
there's like usually thirty people here. But also, like you know,
my mom and my cousins, they all live in very

(07:38):
nice homes, but they're just not as spacious. So for
whatever reason, my house and my sister lives in an apartment,
my house became the place to just bring things. Jen,
Can you store this in your basement in your garage?
Obviously the ANSWER's always yes. But as a result, I've
got you have like my aunt mom, Mom is a
twin so my mom is Marilyn Carolyn's first wedding album album.

(08:00):
And I realized it last Thanksgiving when everyone was here,
I was like, who wants to see and Ka's wedding,
Like it's so ridiculous that I have not just it's
not just my mom's stuff. It's my cousin's old pictures
and boxes and boxes of you know, my sister and
I and our stuff when we were you know, in
elementary school and and like that my mom just gives
to me. So, yes, this is my house has a

(08:23):
lot of memorabilia stuff. Some of it I wish I
could throw out some of it. I just can't bring
myself to, I know. And what was it like growing
up for you? Where you was your mom? Like did
she keep everything? Or was she? My mom is in
a neat freak for sure, so I don't remember, you know,

(08:43):
necessarily that she kept everything, But I do remember everything
was always super organized even now, like you know, back
in the day. I don't know, depending upon what age
our listeners are right now, but we actually used to
take these things called pictures and put them into these
is called photo albums, and then we would like take
this piece of plastic and fold it over the pictures.

(09:05):
I used to scrap book.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
I actually used to really scrap book, like with the microts,
like ribbon stuff really everything.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, you got to see some of my albums. I
used to love it well so, but my mom always
had all of her albums, you know, piled up with
everything was written down underneath the picture was the date
of it, you know, Jen's first. I don't know tooth
like even all of that. So I was never good
at that as a result. So my mom, yes, so

(09:36):
he's organized. She didn't throw that much away. But now
I am not like that, And so I have like
these boxes pictures and stuff from school, from the everything
that I saved, and it's sticking together and I just
never want to actually take it on.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I have boxes that I haven't unpacked from when I
moved eleven years ago for my house. I put them
right into like my basement storage area and just never yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Mean, but they're like, look at it.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
I have like hospital records, I have like of like
my kids being born. I don't can't bring myself to
throw that stuff out.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I have my law school books, like I don't know
what to do with them. You know, you ever thought
it's good, it's good. Yeah. When I think about like
our next step, I'm talking about me and Jeff, and
you know, when we're done living in suburbia in this
colonial we want to go. I just keep thinking, I
want to go somewhere easy, small, light and bright without stuff.

(10:32):
I don't want any stuff now, of course everybody I'm
going to have stuff, but like that's what I picture
because going even going into my basement and I and
seeing the stuff puts me in a bad mood. I
don't like.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I know, I do feel a lot better when I
clean something out. Sometimes it feels like a big waste
of time to me, though, which is something that I
need to get past because it is time worthy. But
I just have a really hard time, like I have,
specifically a very hard time. So you're on the opposite
end of this problem. So in the past year, I've
gained weight, you've lost a lot of weight.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
What.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I have a lot of clothes in my closet that
just don't won't even go over my thigh and I
want to get rid of them, and I know I
should get rid of them, but they're expensive, beautiful clothing.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I don't know what to do with it. I don't
want to like randomly put it in a bag and
send it off in a truck, you know, because it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Clothing and I don't want to get started like selling
on eBay. I don't know what to do with any
of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
No, I do with it.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I mean, I have the same problem. But I've definitely
like I've I've gotten rid of a lot, and partially
because my daughter, who is twenty two, when she is
in need of money, goes through my closet, asks me
what I want when I don't, and then she sells.
So it's oh, amazing, Yeah, where does she sell it? Yeah,

(11:54):
I mean you're asking the wrong girl. Honey, I'll give
you Rachel's number. She'll sell your stuff too, if you'd like.
I wish I'll keep the money. Do you have a
lot of things from when your kids were babies? I
have a lot, of course, I have a lot of stuff.
But you know, I can get into a moon and
then all of a sudden just kind of get rid.
Just I'm in the mood of just cleaning it out

(12:16):
and get a big old garbage bag, and and I
never think about it again once I get rid of it.
You know, I'd have like maybe what I brought Rachel
home and Jack home, you know, from the hospital, and
I have that, but I don't keep and keep like
all of their clothes or but certainly their first blankets,
but not much. I mean I keep saying to myself, like,
you have a lot I don't do. And I smell them.

(12:38):
I know it's so bad. I go down sometimes and
smell them. Oh but they still smell smell like my babies,
they do.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
I used to use this lotion from Mastella and I
used it on all four of my kids throughout their
entire like childhood, until they were like ten years old.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Right. It was the lotion after the.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Shower, and their clothes sometimes still smell like it. I
mean I washed their clothes, but obviously makes me sad
sometimes then you think, like are the kids going to
want to see all their stuff? Like are they going
to get older and want to see all of their
paperwork from you know, fourth grade? I have mine because
my mother saved it, right, But do I spend time

(13:18):
going through my mister Hamlin's class in fourth grade? And no,
I just don't, you know, So it's like collecting dust
down there. And then when my in laws passed also
there was they had so much stuff, right, but like.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Did you have to go through that and take care? Yeah? Yeah,
because my sister in law is in Atlanta, so yes,
and there were things that I knew, and I asked
the family, you know, you guys want this? Do you
guys want that? But there's so many pictures, and I
don't know. I don't know that it'd be great for
my kids to have pictures of their grandparents and their

(13:51):
kids to have pictures, but like how many is necessary?
You know? Yeah, I don't know, well, but we I know, Well,
that's a good question.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
I feel like if I had a change of mindset,
which I'm hoping that our guests today it can do
for me a change of mindset. And also like a strategy,
a better strategy than just like you know, get three
bags and make one to be you know, throw out
one to donate.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Like that is a lot of effort.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Like if if there was a strategy of like like
I heard someone say once and I'll bring this up again,
if you can get rid of something and if you
can replace something for less than twenty dollars in less
than twenty minutes and you haven't used it in a year,
throw it out.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
And I like strategies like that. You know what I'm saying,
I'm interested in, Like what that breaking that down. So
if you can replace it, I mean, we're talking about
it easy.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
But let's say you have a let's say you have
a book that you haven't read and ever and you're
never planning on.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Reading it, right, But that's the problem. I think maybe
I'll read it. Who knows. Maybe that's the kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
You've had this book for seven years sitting on your bookshelf,
you could you could throw it out. If you could
replace that book for twenty dollars or less than twenty,
I mean, you can hop on e Bay and get
it for I mean on Amazon, get it for ten dollars.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Right, So, but that's an awful lot of stuff. That's
about half my house. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
So today we are interviewing the owners of an amazing
home organizing company called neat Freaks. It is Lauren to
Tungi and Nicole Ndrich. So it's neat Freaks home dot com.
And Lauren began organizing place bases for her clients as
a speech pathologist, and the clients were overwhelmed and easily distracted.

(15:40):
And Nicole is a licensed realtor who began helping others
organize their home in preparation for their sale.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Or their move That makes sense that that, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, both types of backgrounds definitely lend themselves to home organization.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I know, I have a lot of friends who are
realtors and they go in and they just say, you've
got to They just go through. You got to get
rid of all of this clutter. Clutters the big word, right,
because people when you walk into a house that you're
you're looking for a home, that's a turn off, right
seeing right, you have to see it sleet. Yeah, hey yeah,
but that's then you think to yourself, well, that would
make me happy every single day to come home and see,

(16:16):
you know, a clean slate, not all this clutter. So
not just for the people walking in to buy my house,
I would love to organize. So I have a million
questions for them. I know you do too. So uh,
let's welcome Lauren and Nicole. Hi, Hi, Hi, thank you
guys so much. We're so pretty, I know, aren't they? Yes?

Speaker 2 (16:40):
So Jen and I were just talking about but all
the reasons why we have so much stuff. So it's
hard for Jen and I to let go of things.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
You know, we have our.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Parents stuff, we have our kids stuff. Everything for me
is sentimental. Jen you feel that way too, right.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
I do. I mean not everything, certainly, but I have,
you know, have guilt. Putting those things that maybe you know,
we're from my kid's second grade Valentine's Day construction paper
heart into a garbage bag just hurts right, right, So
why don't they start forth grade?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Before we start asking you a million questions about how
to tackle all of this?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
What do you guys do for people?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
So we do it.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
We can do something as simple as a closet or
a pantry, or we can help with a move, you know,
out of a home and downsizing to a smaller home.
There's no kind of project too small or too big,
but we do it all.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
But what we like to think we do is we
bring calm to chaos. That's kind of what our goal is.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yes, love that, that's what I mean. So let's start
with the sentimental items, right.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
So, like, I have a lot of clothes for when
my kids were babies, their Halloween costUS umes, I have
their you know, their their second grade class album. I
have you know something that his class, aiden's class made
him when he.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Had his tonsils.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
I have all this stuff, right, can't bring myself to
toss it what do you do with stuff?

Speaker 4 (18:14):
So different answers for different of different items, But what
I would say in general is if you can limit
every family member to one clear plastic bin that's labeled
with their name, you can't.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Have I already love this so much, brilliantly, I know jus.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
In in your child bin, the outfit they came home
from the hospital one it's irreplaceable.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Maybe you'll use it for a grandchild one day.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
It's sentimental, it's valuable, it's meaningful, it's all of the above.
The Halloween costume that you likely have a gazillion pictures
of them in that costume. Make an album in your
phone photos labeled memories. Again, you can have it labeled
by child. It could be each child's memories or just

(19:05):
memories in general.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
That's where you put things like Halloween costumes.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
You mean you take a picture of them and put
it in the costume.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Million pictures of the child, and then that market memories.
Or if it's something you don't have a picture of,
take a picture of it, like the valentine that they
made you. Some are projects. I'm also okay with buying
one portfolio, like those big black narrow that take up
very little room per child and putting in our projects.

(19:35):
At some point you go back because I did this,
and you're like, I don't know why I get this,
But if right now you can't part with it, keep
give them a portfolio and give them one clear plastic bin.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Got it?

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Love that? Hey? I love that? And how do you like?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
What's your advice for detaching emotionally from something that? Like
I could see myself standing there staring at everything and
being like, but I want this, but I want that,
but I want this, like I can't get myself to
actually put it in a garbage bag?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
How do you detach emotionally?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Right?

Speaker 4 (20:06):
And many people are this way. So I think that
we are extremely sensitive to the emotional attachment. So if
you have a family member or a close friend that
you could hand something down to, it can feel less
of a detachment and then you're seeing somebody else enjoy it.

(20:26):
You could always donate it to a charity that you
have a special connection to.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I tell you something that's so I have some
shame around this, but I'm going to tell you anyway.
So in terms of giving like close to charity, it's
for a long time I've given all of my stuff,
our stuff to my housekeeper. She's from Ukraine and so
she has sent it to Ukraine. But it's also hard.
I feel great about that, but partially because I don't

(20:52):
know about getting my stuff into the bags, finding out
where to go go? Where's goodwill? Is it? On seventeen?
I mean, I'm sorry to report. So I just like
I do give it away and it's going to you know,
people that need it. But tell us, like, how is it? How?
It's probably so easy to find the local goodwill? I mean,

(21:13):
you know, do they make you to then you have
to write it all down and use it for attack. Yeah,
but even good.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Will that I don't want to give all my good
stuff to a place that's just going to sell it
and maybe use the money to renovate their store, you know,
Like I want to make sure that it's going someplace,
getting into people's closets that need it.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
So what are some good places?

Speaker 4 (21:35):
So the Bergen Family Center is serves local families, so
I like that just because we're from this area.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
But you have to bring your clothes to them, you know.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
Obviously Vietnam vets and Salvation Army come and pick up.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
That's easy and they're reputable.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yes, okay, because they're everywhere.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
A luxury item versus then can sign it get some.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
So what does that mean? What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Because I know a consignment's store, but so so you
trust these stores.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Well, you're getting some financial reimbursement, so you trust that
you're getting something back for it. If listen, if you
can give it to a charity that you're connected to,
or a close friend or a family member and you
reap the benefits, or you know a housekeeper and you're
reaping the benefits of seeing them enjoy it, wonderful, But
actually the box.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
It really does.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
But if not, then get financial reimbursement, especially if it's
a luxury item or a bag.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Consignment stores tend to take a lot. There's a larger
percentage of what they pay. I think because I've done.
I've consigned a couple of things and it's like eighty
twenty or something towards.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
So wow, New Jersey is great, and you do get
money back in Englewood. And but I do think that
or the real real or the real real gives you
money back. But I do you you're repurposing, you are
knowing you're taking it at a loss, but you're gaining space.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
And the eighty twenty who gets the eighty they do.
But that's I just use that. I'm just saying when
I've done it in the past, it's been that kind
of a breakdown. Wow, that's a lot. Yeah, and they
have to pay their rent. They have to pay I
know that's a lot. Well that's a loss.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, Okay, So what do you do when, like you
have items around your house that because I have so
much of this, I have never used them, or I
haven't used them in a decade, but I see potential
future use, which I see everywhere everything I see potential
future use.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Right.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Well, so again you're constantly going to be going through
your things, and whatever you can donate or purge, you
should do that. And then if you have the space
to keep the things that you don't want to part with,
then don't part with them and keep it. I think
it all depends on the not just the value, but

(24:03):
like is it a generic item, because if it's like
old T shirts, and you know, trends change, fashion changes,
get rid of old that is going to be easily
replaceable versus certain clothing items or in any type of
item that you're just kind of like it's a little
more unique and maybe I'll revisit it. But space, because

(24:25):
it depends on both the item and the space. If
the item is generic, donate it or you know, encourage it.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
But if you have the space, it's not an issue.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
If you need space, that's when you can realize I
haven't used it in a while, I haven't worn it
in a while.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Right, Right, So we were talking about our closets and
gen has Jen has lost a ton of weight in
the past like two years, and I've gained a fair
amount of weight in the past like two years. And
we both have a lot of clothes that don't fit
us anymore. Jan has daughter in her twenties who she

(25:02):
can Jen, do you share clothes with your daughter?

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I share the clothes out that I have now because
Rachel it is always thinner than I was. But it's
I know what you're gonna say, Jack, it's very hard,
not just because they're necessarily luxury clothing items, but like
what if the what ifs, Like what if I gain
the weight and I don't want to throw out this
pair of expensive genes because I've yoyoled my whole life,

(25:29):
so it's hard. And so I have, like you know,
the and I think lots of women have this, right,
like clothes of all different sizes for sure.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, but in this case, again, both the item and
the space need to be considered. So if you have
the space, it's great. But like Emma, right, and to
your point of a daughter, I have a twenty year
old college age daughter and she is constantly in my
closet repurposing all of my like good old things that

(26:01):
I never wanted to part with.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Right. Does she do a good job.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
She does a great job. Honestly.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
She was just in Vegas all the college kids go
like their senior year, and she was actually wearing something
that was my mother's from like thirty five years ago,
like this whole sequence back the top.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
So again it's like, if you have the space pull
on to these things.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
And I will say this, if you don't have the space,
parting with it is hard, no doubt. Once you do,
especially if it's something it's might as well, it's a
what if it's something you haven't seen or used in
five two five years.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
I once you do part with it, let it go.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I've fought so much stuff that I've gotten rid of
and I struggle with it, you know, putting it in
the bag, and then I literally just you never think
about it again. It's not in the closet, so it's
so and all of a sudden, I can actually how
about the fact that I can actually see things in
my closet and they forgot to become new again? Exactly,
that's exactly right. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Do consignment stores take like the expensive clothing because I know,
a luxury item, but like I have a lot of
pants from let's say, like Veronica Beard that are or
Alison Olivia and they're really tiny sizes.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Who is real real? Yeah, I heard mixed things.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
You have to be willing to take the pictures and
you know, but people do get money back.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
What does real real do? What's the process there?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
You?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
I think you call them, they send you a box.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
They send you boxes, and they come to you and
they kind of send back what doesn't sell, They send
you checks.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
It's oh, really cool. Maybe I'll have them come over
and they take good clothes. Yeah, finer clothes, right, that's
all they take.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, yeah, they don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
But even just the thought of that makes me nervous,
Like I'd all like what you said, Jen, like the
yo yoing of it, I'm and then I'll start thinking like, oh, well,
maybe I could just take this to a tailor and
get the waist taken out, or maybe another option, maybe
my daughter is going to want it. So I have
a very hard time with this stuff. Well sometimes I

(28:22):
think I just need to change my mindset. So can
you talk to us a little bit about what are
the benefits of clearing out your space?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Okay, One is I think it just saves time when
you're looking for something.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
It's easier to know where it is.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
When everything is clean and has a place and has
its own space, it's easier to clean up, and it's
easier to find things.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
You just are more organized.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yes, And I would say like clutter can just be
very distracting, and so an organized, neat space always makes
you feel soothing and tranquil, which ultimately that's our goal
when we leave our clients, we just want to leave
them feeling tranquil and at peace and less.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Cluttered and come.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
And I think also I practice speech pathology practice speech pathology,
and I work with children who are extremely distracted. And
actually I got into this because I was organizing place
bases for children who were so easily distracted, and I

(29:29):
found when I organized their one room in their home
to it increase their focus. So even for children, increasing
their focus, but as well for adults. And an office
that's clean and serene and tranquil and neat and organized
and tidy, it just it's less distracting and you're able
to I also think that it improves the appearance of

(29:52):
your home. If you walk into someone else's home that
is clutter free and neat and tidy, it looks bigger,
it looks more space. It's just your causets look bigger
if you open them and it's not all stuffed in
and you can see things and find things. And obviously,
if one day down the road you wanted to sell
your home, it's it's a huge advantage to have it organized.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
How do you start, you guys, like you know, a
lot of times I just feel so overwhelmed, Right, I
have a between my basement and all the drawers, and
is it just? And I do when I do do it,
like even my makeup drawer, I say, okay, just this,
let's just do the makeup shore today. And it's a
small deal.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Start small as our number one advice. I think if
you just begin organizing one small area and you can
get that one small area under control, that's a win.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
You've just try to commit to like a certain number
of minutes a day or a certain like area per week,
or like.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Well.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
I go on in but no, if I was advising
someone else, then you know, do as much as you can.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Don't start too big.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Are it in makeup draws perfect or do a gene section.
Do it in sections and it will feel less overwhelming.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, if you.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Declutter by category, you know, today I'm not going to
do my entire closet.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
I'm just going to do genes.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Then the next day I'm just going to do sweaters
and then make piles.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
You know.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
One pile is donate, one is purge, one is consigned,
one is keep right.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
And now you have.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Different sections for different items. And I also think putting
like items together sometimes helps you visualize the excess you have.
Oh my god, I did not realize just how many
black sweaters I had, or just how many picture frames
I have that I'm holding on to that don't even
hold pictures. And once you put a bunch of like

(31:46):
items together, you realize just how much of each item
you have, and you're more willing to let go of
some of it.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, you know a problem that I have is these
four children of mine, and they just every time I
get rid of one thing, they bring in six more.
And so, like take for example, their shoe area. So
I have three teenage boys and one teenage girl, and
like my like shoe area where everyone takes the shoes
off when they walk into the house is absolutely it

(32:17):
gives me a stomach ache every time I walk by it.
Like I almost kill myself every time I walk by
it because I almost trip on a shoe.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
There's sixteen pairs of sneakers, sixteen pairs of.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Crops, there's flip flops, there's night shoes, there's going out shoes,
there's sambas.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I don't know what to do with this stuff I have.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
I bought myself one of those plastic hanging shoe racks
that I put over the door, and the whole thing
is like collapsing because there's just too many shoes in there.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I don't know what to do with all the shoes. Help.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
So in terms of everyday shoes, obviously, see the mud room,
like the area you're talking about is where they should be.
But like, is there room in your daughter's closet for
her dress shoes that maybe she only wears once a
month or you know, less frequently, or even I mean
even putting a space in your garage for cleats, you know,

(33:07):
a rack in the garage and you're where you're entering
the mudroom. But that can help with like the excess
spillover and the stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
That you don't necessarily want.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
That's a good nice piled.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Coming inside from outside. Anyway, my son used to before
we had a mudroom. He used to come in and
the entire turf field would be in my in my
like he had all.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Those little I was like, what is going on here?
Take it off outside?

Speaker 4 (33:31):
So doing it in the garage makes it a little
neater as well.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Jet is an empty nester. So yeah, so for me,
it's not the cleats anymore. But I go, I get
very jealous when my see like the women that keep
the shoes in boxes or the clear boxes, so you can,
of course that's you, yeah my shoes. Yeah, like well,
so my shoes are piled up on top of each other,

(33:55):
you know, I have all the shoes shells. But but
we've weigh we've way outgrown the shelves. There's way more
so you know, it's just so sloppy and it looks
and I walk into a closet, you know, and I'm
like to have I look at the Kardashians, Look how
they keep their shoes, but they don't do their own
ship the obviously obviously, obviously.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
I do love them. I would like those closets.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
I love the domestic fins and mine open easily, and
I just love them because I can see what's inside.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
And it protects the shoes they're me.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
I can't say enough about them, but they where do
you get them? Amazon? Ikea? Yeah, like they make tea
anywhere anywhere. The Container store has really nice ones. And
Amazon and Ikea have perfectly fine clear shoe boxes yep.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
And they they stack and they open easily. Yeah, they
are good.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I don't have them, but either when you yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
For putting them on, Like sometimes there's a shelf on
top of the closet, and that could be a place
where you, like, maybe you put the winter boots there
in the summer, in the summer, shoes there in the winter,
just as.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
That's a good idea, okay.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I also ward shoe boxes tell me that it's okay
to get rid of them.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
They're beautiful, Like how do you get rid.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Of like like a thick brown shoebox, right.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Because once you get rid of it, you're not going
to miss the box. I've thrown out like nice beautiful boxes,
and I don't miss them.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
I see some women like decorating their closet with.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Them, right, unless it's decorative or if you're knacking the
shoes on top of each other, you do know, like,
oh those are the Louis, those are the Chanelle you know, right?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
What about Clocka books because I have so many that
are it's just shameful. I have from my guest room.
I use that closet as well, but it's not enough
room and it's not that like in the Ploka books
are just they're not in the bags. They give you
these beautiful dust bags, and that's not me. I just
I don't have the patience for that. So they're all

(36:01):
just kind of Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
They do make clear divide your dividers. That just help
stand them up and you can kind of squeeze.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
More in, yeah, to use all the shape and yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
That I like them. I don't use them per one bag.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
I'll put like three clutches in one section and then
you know it, just you can kind of consolidate and
put more together and they do keep their shape. I
also like putting like dress the evening bags in one
section or large large totes.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Okay, what are these containers? How do I buy them?

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Not container viders?

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Dividers?

Speaker 3 (36:33):
You can get them on Amazon as well.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yep, what are they called? Just like cock a book divider.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
But yeah, they're looseight, they're clear.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Oh I love that. I'm going to do that and
I'm going to throw away my boxes. So do you
have any like hard and fast rules.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I was telling Jen that I heard once that if
you have an item you haven't used in a year,
if you could replace it in under twenty minutes for
under twenty dollars, that you should get rid of it.
But that seems like almost half my house. So by
can I just show you there's a plant behind me?
You see this plant? So that plant is in a
black like vs that I probably paid maybe like fifty

(37:12):
dollars for. I have moved this plant. Now it's sitting
in the corner of my dining room. I've moved it
from room to room to rooms to see if there's
anywhere that I like it and I hate it, but
I can't bring myself to.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Throw it out right, Like, what's your rules?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
What's an easy rule to follow that we should be
comfortable with that'll make a lot of this easier.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
Well, for wonder, if it's not bringing your joy, and
if it's not serving a purpose, let it go. You
will not miss it, right, and be okay with it
to your point, you will.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Not miss it. Yeah, And I do think.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Taking a time to just be like how many of
all of taking like items together and being like how
many scissors off these supplies or kitchen utensils or donate niggers?

Speaker 3 (37:57):
How many?

Speaker 4 (37:58):
How many pairs of sneakers that you know are serving
the exact same purpose? Get rid of these are the
only two pairs that I actually wear. I don't need
the others. So putting all like items together, it helps
you kind of realize, oh, minimily do.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Have a lot of this. I could part with some
of it when.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I get like samples my buy's expensive skincare or whatever,
so they give you like the huge palch good one. Yeah,
and how many samples I have products. Yeah, so I'm like, well,
I'll take them on vacation, so I don't have to
bring the bottle, right.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
To say, put them in a travel bag.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, that's a great, right, But I also don't mix
up my skincare like that. So I have these beautiful
skincare samples, I don't know what to do with them,
grow them out.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Or give them to your daughter, let or you know
her friends like that could be like a fun Here
is some beauty that's true, and that's like fun where
I love the concept of putting in a little travel
bag for when you go away.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, do you guys do the thing where you have
your travel toiletries separate, Like I've wanted to do this
for so long and I haven't. Like you have so
that when you're going. I hate packing, everybody does. But
where you have your travel toiletries you've bought that separate
from your you do that, Jack. I have a.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Bag of travel toiletrees that's always packed that every like
two years. I make sure I like clean out the
product because it is probably old. But yeah, I have
it always ready to go and I carry it on.
It's fall in three ounce containers, and every.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Want to spend the money on buying the stuff to
put into the travel, like buying an extra whatever serum.
I don't do that. I don't buy the extra one.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I get the little three ounce containers from CBS and
I fill up from my existing stuff.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
That's perfect.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
And I have toothbrush, like certain basics like toothbrush, yeah,
always in there.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
So what's your role with like like, oh, some people
say if you haven't used it in a year, get
rid of it. That to me is horrifying, but like
one is not enough time. What's like for clothing.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Let's say, if you haven't touched it in how long
should you get rid of it?

Speaker 4 (40:08):
So let's say you did your closet, you went through
your closet, like I make a pile of I haven't
worn this in a year. If it's still there the
next year and you still haven't worn it again, if
space isn't an issue and a part of you, that's
like maybe maybe, but get rid of some of it,
right because chances are you're not going to miss it.

(40:29):
You didn't miss it for that year or the year before.
So I think right, old T shirts, tank tops, like
those things over time they've had.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
It, they need to go.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, I put my after my wedding. The day after
my wedding, I didn't get my dress cleaned or anything.
I just put it in a garment bag and I
haven't yet.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
To open it.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
It's just been sitting in my closet for seventeen years.
It's probably all yellow now, but I mean, I'm going
to keep it. I'm not asking you if I should
get rid of it, but I just I'm like, I
have so much stuff that I've just like stuck into garment.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
I mean, you know, we're on this show. We have
so many dresses. I have so much clothing that like
reminds me of things that I did, but like I'm
not wearing it anymore. You guys see this Unrevolve. They
have oh croissants, Yes, croissants to say that's a brilliant.
I was afraid to do it though, I was starting
to do it, and then I was like, what if
this I'm doing it? You guys know we're talking about

(41:23):
I'm Revolved. They have this thing now where they buy
back clothes and it's certain items. Certain items. Yeah, they don't.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Offer you a ton, but some of the stuff that
they so they send you like the pictures of the
things that they're willing to take back, and you probably
take like a seventy percent loss on it. But if
you're not wearing it as because you're getting something back,
I'm going to look into rent the runway.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
But I've done it. I've done it many times.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
You probably are wearing it like dresses all the time.
You're not going to keep repeating.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, right, Well, af after I had kids, like immediately
after having kids, I was like, I'm never gonna wear
heels again. So I went through a phase for a
few years of buying Todd's flats, you know, like the
iconic with the bumps on the back, and so I
have like eight pairs of Todd's flats that after like
a year of that, I was like, you know what,
I hate flats.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
I'm never wearing flats again. I'm going back to heels.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
And I have a lot of Todd's flats that I
have never touched again, and like, I'm not wearing Ballerina flats.
They're just not me, and so I don't know what
to do with them. So I think the real real
is probably like my only option that all right.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I'm gonna call them.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
So when you go into people's houses. Oh, and then
I have something really important to ask you.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Do people ever freak out? Are they like, stop touching myself?
Because that's the way that I feel like I can
never have someone in. But maybe I could like, what
is the process like for you guys?

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Well, we really are always so super sensitive because it's
your personal belongings. Don't want you to feel in any
way like we're coming in like gangbusters. We just we
really take that into consideration and understand how valuable and
meaningful your belongings are. And you know what Laurence said before,

(43:16):
When we come into your home, we want to build
a rapport with you so that you feel comfortable with
us being there, and then we kind of get into
a groove and you do feel comfortable.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah, I think that we have to go.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Through people's stuff and find like something bad.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I don't like, something dirty, like you open a woman's
store and find her vibrators.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Like, But I would say say that one of the
reasons we do our free consult is really to establish
a rapport and make sure that they're comfortable with us
and that they know that we understand the sensitivity and
privacy and you know of what's going on and if
you know, if there's things you don't want us, getting.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Very respectful of that as well.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, Like, I just don't know how I can imagine
being you, Like I I don't thought of taking on
my own closet and my and what do you think
it is? I don't know if for me that would
be to have to all day look in someone else's closet,
go through it, organize it, take out their crap, go
through the dressers. You enjoy your work like I love

(44:20):
you love it? Like it just sounds so horrible. No,
it probably no. I think it sounds like like popping,
is it? Like as much as you it's like you're
doing it. It's physical too. It's like it's definitely hard
for sure.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
But they don't have the sentimental like attachment.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Which do so when we do homes, we call each
other like I can't do my own myself.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
I genuinely believe you need someone else to be like
get rid of it. That is heard.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I think the Sex the City episode when they were
going through Carrie's closet. You remember that one. I remember
that one when she was getting rid of all of
her stuff. I'm so cute. Well she got rid of something.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Can I talk to you about jewelry because that is
probably my biggest problem. So my issue is that, like,
so you have all this jewelry. I'm not saying that
I have all like tons of diamonds hanging around my closet,
but like, I have a lot of jewelry, and not
all of it's super expensive. But I don't know what
to do with it because I don't want it out

(45:24):
in the open. So like all this beautiful like hanging
shit that they sell at home goods, I can't buy
that because I have a lot of workers in my house.
Of course, I'm not saying workers are not trustworthy, but
I don't know them.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I don't want it.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Sitting there when the cable guy comes to fix my
cable in my room.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
So I need to hide it. But I can't hide it.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
In anything that keeps my jewelry from tangling. I have
necklaces that I haven't worn in years because they are
in one giant knot and I can't untangle them.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Well, they do sell stackable trays that you could put,
you know, that are individually so you could put each
of your necklaces and then so that they're not out,
you could put them, you know, in a draw in
your closet that's easily accessible for you, but sort of
hidden underclothes so it's not.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Out like under your tank tops or under your t shirts.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
You put the actual the drawers that lay the trays,
trays that lay flat would be good for necklaces not
being tangled for you.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
What do you mean, So are they divided into sections?

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Yeah, you can put like probably two per section, but
like with a little tiny lip, you know, like not
just picture the felt a felt tray with little lips,
so you could lay your necklaces down and they won't
hit the other one, the one next.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
So they have a section for like ear rings and rings.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
And you can do it yourself as well, you know,
because you can buy different compartments based on what you have.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Where do you get that stuff? And then you're organized
with your jewelry. No, I'm not organized with anything. I
mean I organized when I moved into my house. The
very clever owner had created the to the jewelry doors,
so you open in their section and whatever they have,
but it overflows, and you know, proud itself, and I'm

(47:15):
not no, I'm not great with it. Is your jewelry
drawer locked? No, I know, that would be a good
idea to make it a lot.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
And then she hides the key.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, that would be so much even just.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Like, yeah, it's like a road drawer and it has
to actually pull out felt things, and she stores a
lot in there. I mean, it's probably obvious in there
if someone were to break into your.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
I know, but at least it makes it harder to
you know. You know.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
One of my other problems is so like my dad
and my mom, they live in separate homes. They're still married,
but they live separately for twenty five years. They both
keep everything, and they have tons and tons and tons
of paperwork. But I went to my dad's house to
try to help him organize a few years ago, and
he had literally I opened his like one of his

(48:11):
kitchen cabinets, and he had fifty mugs and fifty plates.
And then I said, Dak, can I throw out half
of it?

Speaker 1 (48:18):
What do you need to throw out half? I said,
do you live alone? How many mugs do you need?
You know? And then but then I started to look
at the mugs and I was like, oh, I got
this one in fourth grade, right, I don't want to
throw that out, and like there's a little sand at
the bottom when you finished drinking, And.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Like I had a problem throwing out his moors.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
You know, I don't know where to start sometimes.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
Yeah, but it sounds like he has them all in
one spot, which is the first step he you know,
on all the mugs are together, If they're all fitting
in that one cabinet designated for mugs, then like what's
it to you whether there's two mugs in.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
There which are practs twenty or twenty.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
When it starts to overflow and they no longer fit
fit in that area, that's when it's time to purge, right,
Like I don't believe in storing anything and putting it
in the basement or putting it in the attic ways,
you'll never do it.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
So as long as there's room for it and it's not.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Bothering anyone, and he's not downsizing or going to a
smaller space. If they make him happy, and they make
you happy for now and they bring you to the spot,
keep them right. But the second there's one mug too many,
he's got to choose and get rid of one to
make space for the new.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
I think it's good to check because, like, for instance,
my husband had a shot glass collection and I just
wasn't having it. I did too. Well, guess what, he
doesn't have it anymore. But he realized that he doesn't
have it anymore. He was not pleased. He should probably ask,
but oh yeah, yeah, he was pissed. I have to say,
maybe not my but I'm like, I never thought he

(49:50):
would even notice. It was like put away in like
like we're our bar area in a corner and a
million years, I didn't think he would notice. Yep, they've gone.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Now, yeah, here's a here's what I really struggle with.
And I wish I could take you over to it.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
But I am so. I'm not a hoarder.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Obviously, hoarding is a serious mental illness, right, but I
use the term very loosely. I'd say something that I
do actually tend to hoard is alcohol. And so when
I get a nice bottle, I don't drink it, and
I leave it improperly stored on top of my like
in my like whip bar area. And first of all,

(50:31):
I have bottles that have been sitting there for fifteen years.
That I are probably not good anymore, but I don't
want to throw them out.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
I can say, al bad, Yes, I think so.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
If it's not stored properly, do they makes it can
sometimes come over?

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Do they? Okay?

Speaker 2 (50:46):
So I bought a bottle of crystal fifteen years ago
when crystal was popular, right. More than that, I don't
want to throw out the crystal because it costs me
like two hundred bucks. I don't want to drink the
crystal because it will probably make me ill right now,
because it's been improperly sort for twenty years. Do they
make people who can come to your house and be like,
throw this out, through this out, it's going to make

(51:07):
you sick.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Alcohol is not one that we've Yeah, I don't. I
don't know how to.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
I would say, if you're willing to throw it away
and you don't care, you're not drinking it, you're not
regifting it, you're not.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Well, I would regift it. But I don't want to
make other people sick.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I want to.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
I want I love regifted.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
You'll make them sick. Maybe it got better, maybe it's
worth more now. I think we have to research first
with the.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Alcohol, like the specific alcohol and if it gets better
or worse.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Right, I know I need to go through and just
spend some time like googling how long does this last? Right?

Speaker 1 (51:41):
And if it? And on that note, if you're going
through your pantry the second that's something hits the expiration date,
do you have to throw it out? Or like, what's
the rule with that? Does does shit list longer?

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Does I do?

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Because my son is like the expiration date like police,
Yes he is. So if it's one day expired, he's like,
it's gotta go. So I tend to toss things that
are expired.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
And I think and it lasts forever?

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Yeah, I think right, So when he goes to college,
I wants.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
I meant to just say, Jackie, you can bring if
you want all your old alcohol. If you want to
just bring it here, we could test it. We can
crystal right over to my house. Yes, well I have
don par I have all of this. I'll take it,
no problem, Like this is so pretty.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
I don't want to think a gift as well, give
like champagne. I have to research.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, I think you gifts, you know, I got to
do a little research on that. Nobody's having you guys
over to go through their liquor cabinet. They got bigger problems, right, I.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Know, But this this makes me want to so what
kind of people call you? Is it people whose homes
are just so completely out of control? Or is it
like normal homes that just want more?

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Like it runs the gamut.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
I think our niche has become we've kind of attached
ourselves or gotten acquaintance with a bunch of real estate
brokers who have been to refer us.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
So our niche has.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Become people who are moving and downsizing or or moving
to bigger But usually it's the downsizing that's more overwhelming,
and we kind of begin at that level. The first
purge is when you're packing. The second purge is when
you're moving them in donating, you know, consigning, keeping packing

(53:35):
everything in an organized way, like items together. So their
books may be everywhere in their house, but when we
pack them, we pack them all together, so that when
we're unpacking, we can be like, Okay, let's put all
the books in the bookshelf or in the living room
or to the den or wherever it may go.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
That's been our niche.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
But we I mean, are being.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
A lot of referrals.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Yes, people will you know, email us and they're either.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Moving or they have.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
A closet that they need to attack and they just
need really the handholding to get it done.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Just speaking of referrals, I was going to say, tell
our listeners where to find you, please.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Meat freaks home dot com or on Instagram or Facebook.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
It's neat freaks home.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
And I know people who have used them, and they
are I have never used you, guys, but I know
that people grieve about.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
You guys, So thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Okay, So I think I'm ready to call the real
real and I'm ready to throw out all my shoeboxes.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Ok and then I'm going to attack my kids.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Shoes unless you stack them up on the higher part
of your closet.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
I'm going to go or shoe boxes. Yes, I'm going
to order actually the jewelry things. Okay. So we have
all cut out for us. Thank you, ladies, so much.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Once I'm all cleaned out, I'll invite everybody over and
we could drink my old alcohol.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I love you guys, Thank you, Thank you guys. That
was great. Okay.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I feel like I could throw some stuff out now
I don't. I don't need all of this ship, but
that all it really does get me, like I can't
regive that depressing.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Also, the alcohol gets you unless I don't like anyone.
I mean, yes, well there's always there's always that well,
I mean, I don't know, it is it's hard to do,
but I know that when I do it, which is
not often, I feel so good. It is like popping,
is it a little? It's like so I wouldn't want
to do it for other people, like like God bless
these two women, because that would sound like the worst
job ever to me. Oh love.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I think if you can make money like helping people
do something that's going to bring them joy, I think
that's the yeah, yeah in theory, but like in practice
going through people's stuff, and I can't I just because
I can't bear to do my own.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
So I know it's.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Also a timing issue like this, there's not a lot
of time left in the day.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Agree, We're busy, We're busy.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Jen Fessler, all right, well, I've miss seeing your beautiful
face today.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Seeing your beautiful face, yes, but I'm gonna see you're
recording separately.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
But that was great, and uh, I feel like I'm
ready to go clean out of closet.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
But I hope it was helpful to you guys like
it was to us. Definitely all right, So until next time,
two Jersey Jays were out.